The Dale Jr. Download - 345 - Jimmy Spencer (Part 2): I'll Whip Your Ass

Episode Date: June 22, 2021

One of the most outspoken drivers in NASCAR history lets it fly with Dale Earnhardt Jr. in part two of this much-anticipated conversation. "Mr. Excitement" Jimmy Spencer opens up to Dale Jr. and co-host Mike Davis about the big 2003 incident with fellow driver Kurt Busch that left Busch bloodied and Spencer suspended. We find out that even after 18-years, the feelings are still strong about what happened after the Michigan race.Jimmy and the gang share some laughs about junkyard races in Pennsylvania and the ultimate "No Bull" prank that Dale Earnhardt pulled on him. Dale Jr. gets Jimmy and Mike Davis to reminisce and share hilarious stories of their time working in NASCAR together from almost getting Mike fired during his first race and the time he got punched out at a Jimmy Spencer autograph session. The two long-time friends also share their favorite Henry Benfield prank stories.The conversation turns emotional when Jimmy shares details of the impact his sister – who passed from cancer – had on his life. He also reveals to Dale Jr. that he suffered many concussions that left him with broken helmets and fears the effects of the head injuries have started to surface. A once outspoken and opinionated broadcaster, Jimmy shares why he no longer is on the TV screen and what he’s been up to lately.In Ask Jr., Leah and fans get to the bottom of what it was like for Dale Jr. to host the NBC pre-race show with country superstar Brad Paisley. He also shares his thoughts on NASCAR going back to Nashville and why he may have been too critical.Dale and Mike get into a spirited debate throughout the show about their venture into buying a pontoon boat and how recent developments have Davis soured. Check out Dirty Mo Media on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@DirtyMoMedia  Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

This is a production of Dirtymo Media. Ndc. The National Broadcasting Company. Hey, everybody. It's Dale Jr. Welcome back for another episode of the Dell Jr. download. Today, part two of Jimmy Spencer. Jimmy came in.

Hot. We got a lot of great information. But part two, man, you guys saved, I think, all the good stuff. I think so? Yeah, I'm really surprised at how you chop this thing up and what you were able to provide for part one. I'm always curious, Michael, when we do a two-parter, what you put in part one and what you put in part two,

and, man, I mean, the Kurt Busch stuff, right? All right, all that's coming. It's going. It's good, too. And hell comes with it. It is so good. Like, he buckled down when we started talking about that. And, man, we got the details.

I've always wondered what happened in that garage and all the physical stuff and everything after it. He went there. Yeah, he did. Anyways, Mike Davis, my co-host, thanks Mike for being here. Matthew, Leah, everybody's here. We've got a great show. Like I said, Jimmy Spencer, we got Ask Jr.

presented by Xfinity. Let's get started. Our boat. How are we doing on this? Have you... You're about to back out. No, I'm not backing out. I see that face.

No, I'm not backing out. But I had other opportunities. I know. I've been presented... Well, look at it like this, Mike. I've been presented with a better deal. I just got defriended. Not a draft.

Hey, hey. What kind of asshole do you got to be to get on a podcast, go haves he's on it. Get me to bite. People, all right, go ahead. The friendship, that's your choice if you feel, if you're wanting to defriend, that's you. I'll let you finish your sentence and then I'll decide. That's on you. So me and you talked about, I brought the boat idea to you, if I remember correctly.

And with the idea to get it at the cheapest price possible. Well, I have found a cheaper way to get a boat. How? By paying less money. But it doesn't. What is that going to do with the, you just don't want to be partners anymore. But it won't involve a second investor. So me and T.J. are on her own again.

TJ was never really officially brought in. That's not true. I saw him at the airport just. So you brought him in? No, you brought him in. I did not. We just talked. The way you brought me in.

You brought people in and then you're bailing. You're not. No. It's like we're skiing behind your boat and now you are not going to pick us back up after we fell. I am a broadcaster. I'm going on the weekends. There will be a pontoon at a dock, not being you. No, no, no, no.

There'll be a pontoon at the dock. If you want to use it, like you got to hear me out. Okay, I'm listening. All right? Instead of me and you having to pay money, there'll be a free boat. It won't belong to you. It really won't belong to me. You're getting one, somebody's giving you a boat.

Yes. Or loaning you a boat. Yes. It's on lease. I'm getting a boat for the summer. So is that better than owning a boat? I don't know that I want to own one. I just saw one.

No, it's not better. It's way worse. What? In my opinion. So listen, I had a boat and I had it for years. I used it twice three times a year and I sold it. I lost my tail on that boat. Okay.

I bought it and then sold it for way less and didn't even use it that much. I don't want to do the same thing on a pontoon. I don't care. You knew this information last week when you brought it up. Yes. All right. But I was willing to spend, I was, I was, I was ready to spend, you know, whatever that number was going to be with you and possibly

T.J. I wasn't really, I didn't really think we'd brought him in. I now have a thing where no one has to spend anything, but you just have to get over the pride of, I don't own this, but I'm going to use it. You got to get over that, Mike. If you want to go in on, on this and use a boat on the weekend, why wouldn't you do that? Wait, so he's still in? Clarify this. No, no, stop. Hold up, Matthew. He doesn't want to, he doesn't want to accept.

He's still in. I won't be able to use the boat on the weekends. I'm going to jump on it. Maybe, if I can, in the middle of the week, I probably am going to use this boat no more than I use the last boat. That's why I don't want to spend any money, because I know I'm probably going to want to get rid of this thing eventually. So, okay, Matthew, stop for a second.

Here's the problem with that. He doesn't do anything. He's got something. to say and I'm going to forget it. Here's the problem with that. You're saying everybody's able to use the boat or I'm able to use the boat, but you're the only one that thinks that. Why?

Because there's responsible people around you that would never, that know that that's not a good idea. For instance, I take the boat out or you let T.J. take the boat out that is not ours, and then it comes back damaged or it comes, you know, now we're not responsible for it. People run for it. This is why you don't just let anybody take your property. It's the same reason you don't let people just come. come in and go play on the basketball court or any of that stuff. You know what I'm saying?

The boat is at a dock at a lakehouse that you use. I reserve. You and your family go and use it. Not freely. How? It's not mine to go freely, just bounce over there. First of all, that. Mike.

Okay. It's the same thing in my mind. Yeah, it's not. You go use the lake house when you reserve it or whatever you want to, You want to say, you call it reserving. Let's call it reserving the boat. Hey man, me and my family would like to use it this weekend. I ain't there.

Amy ain't taking it out by herself. Take off. You don't, you do not feel that way. I know I'm sitting here telling you how you feel. There's a problem with that. I get it. You know me. You know me well enough.

Yeah. I know you well enough to know that that would work maybe for a month. Why would it not work? Because if now people, are looking at saying are you overusing it are you overstepping your bounds when have we ever went through this when have we ever had that me and you personally yes never because i because i don't overstep my bounds maybe because i don't feel that way okay basketball court yeah you put up cameras in that place to make sure nobody stepped foot in that thing certain people not you because i wouldn't do

that i know you're i know what i know when people's property i respect people's property i put a camera in the dirty dome. Yeah. Because there's in there that I don't want stolen, Mike. And if somebody walks in there, I want to know who's stolen.

No, because people would overuse it and overstep their bounds. That happens. If you let the western town just run freely, people just come on over. Anybody can just drink a beer. You wouldn't do that. Because people don't know boundaries.

And it's always that thing. And people, to be honest with you, I'm trained to also look for that that people try to take advantage of you. So, right? I think that it is absolutely normal for us to accept this boat. And it's going to sit at that dock.

Okay. All right. It's going to need to be ran. It's going to need to be used. The frequency that I'm going to use it. Hey, I'm so disappointed. Listen to me. The frequency that I'm going to use it isn't going to be enough for it to be operable.

I mean, if I'm going to go use it and then not see it for a month, I'm going to jump on there, and the battery is going to be dead. I forgot to put gas in the last time. Whatever. But if it's being constantly used, kind of like a vacation home, right? Where you use it some, then you might rent it some. But it needs to be used because somebody needs to be there when the HVAC is not working. So when it gets fixed for the next guy that comes in there and uses it.

You know what I'm saying? So that's the way I look at it. We could spend, let's just throw a number out and say 20 grand a piece on a pontoon and go in on a used okay piece, right? And then we're, then we got a pontoon and eventually I'm going to want to probably maybe upgrade, maybe not have a pontoon. I'm not, I'm not wanting to buy a pontoon for longevity. and so I found another way to get a pontoon that I don't have to pay for, you don't have to pay for, it's not ours, we have to give it back.

When do we give it back? I don't know, we've got to get the terms from the person that wants to give it to us. The question is, from the outsider, watching your conversation, is he in those terms? Is he in those terms? You know, the person that's giving it to you to use, is it okay with them, is what Mike was trying to get at

for Mike to use it. Yeah. Okay. So Mike doesn't want to buy this. I'm trying my hardest to be as good about, I mean, I'm trying my hardest to get you a boat without you spending a dime. Yeah. Well, I guess. I think that you got to look at it like you're not going to just, you're not just going to go run and jump on it and take off.

You would never do that. No one should do that. But you might say, hey, this weekend. I know you're out of town, my family and I'm going to jump on the boat. Great. What's the, I'm going to tell you, you're going to tell me I'm wrong, but this is how I feel. In Christmas vacation, Cousin Eddie. Yeah.

I'd feel like Cousin Eddie. That's, I don't look at you like Cousin Eddie. I'm glad you don't, but there's a reason why you don't. We have had people in our circle who we have nicknamed Mooch. You know what I'm talking about? Okay. Well, maybe we nicknamed Mooch. You didn't.

And because it's obvious to anybody when they have, start using something that doesn't belong to them. Maybe they were given a thing. I'm just saying I'd feel like cousin Eddie all the time. I'd be like, I'd sit there going, all right, man, we, you know, I just don't think I'd enjoy that. I think I understand. When I know that it's not my mind, it does not belong to me.

I understand. And to be honest with you, when you say I go over to that lake house, I've been twice. I've been twice to be honest. What's the frequency of boat use do you think you see your family having? That's probably a good question to ask you. I guess I've been really wanting a boat and just haven't done it for various reasons. What kind of boat do you see yourself in? Is it a pontoon or is it a bow rider, 24 foot bow rider?

You don't really have any really thought that much into it. I never really thought about pontoons until you got my hopes up last week. but the uh the um it you know something to take out the family in

you know so no if it was just me it'd be a bass boat but it ain't just me right you know there's other people

to think about um so yeah so you know you think about something those you know pontoon boats you can pull tubes

and stuff it'd be fun but that's okay so you got to be I think you do need to have a conversation with TJ TJ does believe

he's in it hey you know what, let's just talk to them through podcast to podcast. So, like, basically, TJ can respond to this on door bumper clear next week. Jesus. All right. Well, I mean, I don't want to spend any money. I got it.

Look, that was one of the funniest parts about this, is people were like, why is Dale going and have these with anybody on anything? I don't want to spend any money on a boat. I've done that. I didn't like it, and I regretted it, and I'm trying not to make that same mistake. I know what happened. If I'm wrong, I'm wrong. Kelly talked you out of it.

Nobody talked me out of it. Amy talked out. Oh, you know what? I'll tell you who steered me in this direction. I just remembered. Clint Boyer. So I was, he was texting me about our jobs.

And I said, hey, by the way, I'm thinking about getting a pontoon. So just like you on this podcast. Like when I'm thinking about doing something and I'm not sure if it's the right choice, which I don't think this is the right choice for me, I throw it out there to people engage their response, right? And so I said to Clint, I said, randomly. Hey, Clint, I'm thinking about getting a pontoon. He's like, oh, yeah, yeah, you'll have fun with that.

You know, you should ask such and such if he might get you one and you and him can sell it at the end of the summer. I can help this guy sell his pontoon. So I'll use it and turn around and try to help him sell it. I'm like, I'm going to ask him. So that's what I'm doing. And I'm seeing if that works.

So if you want to get really mad at somebody, maybe you can get mad at Clint instead of me. No, I think I'm going to stay with you. Damn. Hey, last thing I want to say. Not about the boat. We're moving on for the boat. We should talk about the Jimmy Spencer response.

I've got a question, because we're going to play part two today. There's been a question from a lot of people and even myself, and that was, were you satisfied with his explanation about the 2001 comments? You know, I think that, not really, but I didn't, I mean, I didn't know how much I thought I should deserve. You know what I mean? I felt like I felt kind of bad wanting more from him about it. You know what I mean?

He did come here. He was gracious. We talked for three hours about all kinds of things. And I could tell he was a little bit uncomfortable about that particular part of the conversation and wasn't really ready to say. any more than he said, right? And I don't think he ever will be. And I think, you know, so I was like, all right, I don't think I'm going to get any more out of this. That's probably okay. Maybe I shouldn't want anymore. Maybe I don't need any more. Maybe I'm being a little too greedy about it. Does that make

sense? It makes sense. I don't think you should feel bad or wrong for wanting more or allowing yourself to think that. I did notice a couple people, and I didn't know if I disagreed or agreed with them. I think I've more or less agreed. People were saying, I wish, you know, you guys would have held him more to the fire, held his feet to the fire and not let him venture off. And I agree with that. I think we probably should have. But I also know that it was like the mental gymnastics to keep up.

And it was like hurting cats a little bit. It was interesting because in part one, absolutely, man, we were, it was like cats running all over the floor, right? just duff the bucket out and they're just gone. Right. But part two was the exact opposite. Which is coming up today. He was completely on point. And stayed, he was into the story with us.

We were into the, I don't know how to explain it, but it was like two different. Well, you don't have to because people are going to get to hear it right now. And that's going to be something that will, you know, let people. I don't need any. I'll tell you, to answer the question, I don't need any more. Okay. The fact that he came on the show, that was enough for me. I really, you know, I'm not angry about it anymore.

It doesn't bother me. And it helped me understand him a little bit better just to him as a person. And I think, too, listening to some of the things that he experienced with the sport and with Mr. France and all that and kind of hearing how he was privy to the entertainment side of it and the strings, you know, the monkey business, I guess, or strings going on behind the curtain was interesting to me. I didn't know. So if he saw that and his perspective of the sport was probably different,

maybe that's why you might make a comment like that, right? Still a silly thing to say, but, God, I guess it kind of made more sense. Man, when I was in the sport, I didn't never, I thought it was up and up, man, thought they would never be doing anything up there in the NASCAR booth that was weird or bad or shady or they would never go against the guy. Now, I don't know if I feel that way today, but in 2001, man, everything in that booth was by the book in my head, right? I'd never thought that they were, you know, they'd go after a guy and bust him for speeding because he said something in the media they didn't like the day before, right? Yeah. drivers now all feel that way, right?

Is that right? Oh, yeah. Anytime a driver gets busted for speeding, it's because they think back in their head, like, that's true. What did I do to tick them off? Right.

It's not because they were speeding. Right. Or failing to get through tech or something like you. Right. Yeah, they were making harder. They did something that made things harder on NASCAR, so NASCAR came back on them. Now, I'm just saying that's the way drivers think.

Yeah. I'm not saying that's true, but. Well, okay, so you weren't particularly satisfied, but you are definitely got enough closure to be able to not be mad at. I'm glad we had him on, and it makes me much more comfortable with having Harvick on. Where are you at now with that post-Gimmy Spencer? I think I have to be okay with it.

Listen, I want to be clear about Harvick. The way Spencer's comments got personal with you. If it's comments that are just strictly about whatever it is in his mind, then you would have no problem, but it got personal because he questioned your credibility and NASCAR's credibility. Harvick, listen, first of all, I'm not even a blip on Harvick's radar. So for me to sit here and be like, I'm still mad at Harvick about something, Harvick don't care, and I get it.

So anybody that wants to come at me and say that, I get it. No, I understand. Harvich's got a lot of other things going on. I'm not even a blip on his radar. Okay. The only issue I have with it, and I'm still trying to, you know, come to piece, is that Harvick, we were so close to Kevin. I especially felt like we were all close.

When he came to this company and raced, I developed so much of an appreciation for him, not just on what he brought to the racetrack, but what he brought off the racetrack in terms of how to, you know, made our team better. He made every corner of this building better. He made you want to strive for nothing short of a win, short of a win in sponsorship sales, short of a win on the track, short of a win in PR, short, nothing. This was a guy. I'm like, man, this is a guy that you could model yourself off on how to build a team.

and you sought his advice on, you know, establishing a team like this. And he is, and I'd go over to, we had fun with JRM 360s. And we just, I really love, I just loved the guy of such a, and Elena, both of them. His banner's still hanging up here. A lot of them. Yeah. I mean, so like he was an integral part. So, you know, I just, when he said what he said, I just, we had gone through such a gamut of, of emotions in a year because of the

concussion thing. And so much like in 2001 where you're trying to have a healing moment and you get it when you win that July 2001 race and somebody comes in there and, you know, kicks you in the nuts. Just for no, it just seems unnecessary. I felt the same way that Kevin Harvick's comment, when you've already announced your retirement, you've already announced it. You're on the way out. You're not like, you know, peter and around the racetrack at 75 years old, killing the sport, taking all the fans, but, you know, finishing 17 laps down. That's not what's happening. You've announced your exit plan, so it felt like you're throwing rocks at a man's

back. And so I took it personal. And again, I took it personal. He don't care. And he shouldn't care. He literally should not care. But Josh Jones was a friend of ours. Kevin Harvick, I felt like was.

And then that's why I still don't know if I can get out. I'm just not over it. But you could have him on the show. It's your show. Yeah. I would just be, you know, And if I voice my opinion to him, he'd be like, okay, who cares? And I'd be like, you're right, who cares?

It's inconsequential, and I don't disagree with that. I think along with just being able to have that conversation with him and just talk all about that, what you just discussed, also just he's such a, he's a big part of the sport, you know, champion, successful. He's on the backside of his career has a great sort of, perspective and view on where the sport is and where it's headed. He knows the business side of the sport really well, so I'd just be curious as to all that, what information, you know,

his opinion on things, right? I also have a theory that he was doing something much like you would say NASCAR, like he was trying to punish you for something that had nothing to do with retirement, or I think he was punishing you or getting at you because of comments you made about driver salaries. Yeah, well, he told me so. Well, again, I thought that was out of bounds. Yeah, so we went to Michigan for a press conference about my concussions or something, right? No, not Michigan.

Wachens Glint. Yeah, I don't remember the reason. Oh, is it then? Yeah, I was in the media center. There was a question in the media center about Matt Kenseth was, you know, so Matt is winning races, and there was not a ton of demand for him going forward. and I think Gibbs was getting ready to replace him by somebody. I'm trying to figure out if this is all correct.

And so I was asked by the media like, what is going on with, why is there no demand? Where do the cup guys, what's going on with this? The salaries and the sports kind of had, you know, we were going through a big reset, you know, nationally in the economy, in the market. And I was like, you know, that trickles down into the size. sport, sponsor dollars are dropping, attendance is dropping. So when all that money is dropping, everybody's money's dropping, right? Everybody's got to understand that things are going to change for each one of us, right?

And I made the comment that maybe, you know, some of the guys that are getting these big contracts might have to reevaluate what their expectations are in the next deal. And I pissed him off. He thought that, you know, as a driver who had an amazing contract, I was basically on my way out, taking a big dump on all of those guys that had great contracts as well and saying well you know William Byron and these other kids are going to come in and take pennies on the dollar to get cup deals and the veterans like like mad are going to have to accept way less than they've been comfortable and accustomed to right and he thought that was a very f***y thing for me to do and I don't

I can absolutely see his point and so when he said he wasn't the only one when he said what he said He wasn't. Clint was mad. A lot of people were mad. And I totally get it. I would, it was a, if I could have, if I could take that back, what I said, I, I believed in what I was saying, but I probably should have not said it. That's when you're messing with people's money. That's, that's not a matter. Messing with their income. So I shouldn't have not, I shouldn't have went there. But he, you know, the net, he says what he says. And I text him and I was like, man, why did you say that? And he goes, probably bothered you about like what you said. said bothered me, didn't it? And I was like, oh, okay, I see. So, you know, anyways. Yeah. So are we going to get, are we going to get Harvick on the show? I think, so we can stop talking about it. So we can stop having the conversation between me and you. That's right. That's right. I want to, I want to get back where I'm pulling for Harvick and not rooting against it.

It's exhausting. I'm slowly, I'm ahead of you. Like, I'm, there's days when, because I'm such great friends with Rodney Childers. You know, so I pull for Rodney, and that, in turn, means I'm pulling for Kevin, but, and I know that Kevin's not all jackass, right? No, he's not. He's not just a real f***y person. I think that just every once in a while, like, you bump into him, he's going to bump into you twice.

If he feels like you did something he didn't like, and he can get you, he'll get you. Yeah. You know, and that's what happened. There was a part of that podcast with Jimmy that you didn't touch on. I wanted to, he said that he went to Yori, to Tony Sr. and junior and apologized. Okay. Did he apologize to you, or did you know that he went to apologize to them? That's something that when I was just listening as a viewer.

I didn't know he did that. Okay. And they didn't tell me he did that. Okay. And I never knew that. And in my mind, I'm thinking when he said that, I don't believe that. Right? I got you.

With the tone and the attitude of his comment, I'm like, no, I don't think you did a week later. Maybe he did. Yeah. I don't know. I believe that he believes he did. He does believe. All right, so part one of Jimmy Spencer. Pretty good. He was all over the place. He straightens it up though, Mike. He's going to get it in gear.

This part two is, I think, even better. All right, let's hear it. Jimmy Spencer, part two. Ladies and gentlemen, I'm the voice of the Stafford Motor Speedway Bend died. Today, I'm the Dale Jr. download. He was a two-time NASCAR modified tour champion. Stafford Motor Speedway was the place where he got the name Mr. Excitement. And if you thought part one of the broadcast was exciting,

you haven't heard anything yet. Driver of the Quick Stop beverage number 24. From Burwick, Pennsylvania, Mr. Excitment, Jim Spencer. I remember when I worked my tail off and I spent a lot of money to win Daytona. I wanted to win Daytona with my car. And we went to Daytona and we were going to win the race, leading the race. And I made a decision not to pit with 40 laps to go or whatever, 50 laps to go. Because I said, we stopped the pit no, you have to pit again. We can't make it.

They said, no, you had to pit again. I said, I'm staying out of here out of the hens nest. The rattlesnake trap because if you're leading, you're safer, led the rest of the race, eight, ten laps to go. I have the pits. I pit. I would give everything up that I had for them to tell me that I wasn't speeding. And I come down in first gear at 2,200 or 2,300.

I've come down like 20-mile-hour slower and I was supposed to be gone. Because I knew they were gunned for me. Because Les Richter, he gunned for me. And Gary Nelson and David Hoots is up there in the booth, and I proceed to not do nothing to my car but put fuel on it. Hit back at pit road, didn't even lose a lap. And post the 20-com. What?

Post, the 20 car? And I blew up. Well, one thing leads to another. I had to pit again. Drive-through penalty. Well, when I pit it again, here comes Dale Jarrett and Steve Grissom out. And there were the two cars that we were racing.

So I was sitting behind him. Jarrett was leading a race. Grissom was second. So I passed Grissom. And all at once, I'm like, well, if I get my lap back, there's only 10 laps to go. Well, my God.

Here comes Dale Jarrett's crew member over, whatever. offers me, offers to buy me a set of tires if I help him win the race. I said, what? That's what my crew chief said. Well, here comes Buddy Parrot over. He says, Mr. Bechtel's going to make it very profitable for you to help us win this race today. That was the 29 car.

Progressive. Progressive. And with Steve Grissom and Jared. Okay. I said, okay. I like that one. Tell Steve to get behind me. Got behind me?

NASCAR. Spencer, don't be messing up the finish of this race. I said, I won't even be in the picture. Come on the radio, I know they listen to you. I won't even be on the picture because I said, you F made out of this race today. We had lapped the whole field. I was still running 9th, but one lap down. So, you know, two laps, three laps to go.

I says, okay, it's time to go. Okay, it's caution comes out. So I pulled out and Jarrett's like, and he's fingering me, you know, the whole nine yards. And I pushed Grissom, I said, now past me, and I pushed Grissom. poop and we went into the white flag I said oh I think I have a flat tire so I went up for the third turn as high as they could go they went on to finish one too and Mr. Parrott wasn't wrong they paid me pretty good but that car Mike I spent probably 150,000 dollars try to win that race you and your dad up until recently I don't know if you still do it but you all had you'd get a cut a dirt track in the field and get some cars out of the junkyard and y'all I found one tape of it yeah I've seen, not of your dad's deal.

Y'all have done this recently. And apparently, dad came on. What year was that? Your dad, you know. I didn't know, I'll tell you, I'll say this. Like, I had no clue that you and dad had any kind of relationship. The only thing. Let me tell you quick.

You know, forget racing. So, you're old man, something about him that liked my dad. I think my dad reminded him of Ralph. Your dad would stop by and see my dad every week, every week. You pop, how you doing? That meant a lot to me. I got pictures of your dad, me, and Dale. And my dad said, bring your friends to the racetrack.

Don't have friends. Me and your dad had some falling out deal. That deal I learned quick when he got even with me. He said, now remember, that wasn't Sunday. Right. Let's not do this on Sunday. We do this in an Xfinity series. We don't do this on Sunday.

He did that with somebody else we had in the show. He's like, now look. We're wrecking our, we're wrecking our Xfinity cars here. We're not wrecking our cup cars. You know, deal. But wait, he came to y'all. He came and ran that dirt. Oh, well, he, okay, this is what happened.

He came and ran your little. So we were racing Saturday night. My dad never really raced on Sunday, but all of our friends and guys wanted to race. Y'all would carve. We had the big junkyard. Yeah, you have a junkyard. You get all these junkyard cars, and you take the bulldozer and cart, cut a dirt track and invite people over. Yeah, dad would let them race, you know, to,

the junkyard. He said, I can't have that no more. You're going to crash my good cars. So we went down by the river and dad cut a race track. He said, we'll see how good erasers you are. So we would do that not all the time, maybe once a year or so. So your dad had heard about it because what had happened

was somebody told him that I had a thing. He said, I want to come down. I said, well, hell yeah. You talk about fun. So your old man says, I'm coming. I said, okay, Dale, we gave you directions. I can't get a deal. You remember the time? Early, late 80s?

Early 90s? It'd been 90. It was when I was cup races, so I would have said it, I said, okay, 80, 89. I was driving for Buddy Baker, so it would have been 90.

Yeah. 89 or 90. Wow. Anyway. Yeah, 89 you drove for Buddy Baker. 89. So we're a Pocodeau and you're, so we invite everybody.

So my brother had, we must have 100 cars. Chocolate, rolled one over. Holy shit. Oh my God. So your dad gets there. And what it is is my dad kept the track

wet. And we would wreck cars. My dad said, guys, if you go out there to deliberately wreck somebody, you're done for the day. You've got to try to race them. You've got to try to pass them. So we're out there racing, and your old man's running around there. And he breaks the left front wheel, so he can't go much further. Spencer, he sees me.

So I says, no, getting on the other side. No, not your old man. That's some of a bitch. He has to push me out. Oh, he's going to drive. And what are you all driving just out of car? Who the hell knows? Yeah, just a car out of the junkyard.

Well, we took the bumpers off of them, took the headlights out of them, made sure you had seat belts on. That particular time, your dad was, me and your dad, I said, oh, there's buddy. I said, we've got to get buddy. Okay, so your old man, oh, Jesus Christ, all right? He's, we're catching him. I said, now remember, we'd have been in the third turn. I said, when did you get him?

Push this son of bitch out there in a soupy hole. So we get, your old man gets a hole, and he pushes him on out in a soupy hole. The Baker's out there, and here comes my brother with the forklift, because we have to stop the race, you know. Here comes my brother with the fork. He picks Baker up. And Baker was a piece of work. Oh, damn. Oh, here comes Godzilla.

Everybody's dying laughing. So then we keep racing and racing. Childress, he has the pilot in the car, and he breaks a car, and he comes and gets my mom's laundry car. And somebody turns him, and he hits him in the side, and all RC goes. Well, we're in trouble now. And the pilot goes, why? He says, the radio quit working. Yeah.

I mean, at the end of the day, oh, God, I would give anything to have. I have some film. It wasn't, oh, my God, it's worth $10 million to me. We go up there. Now we have a cookout. Y'all still do this. No, we quit doing it because of insurance reasons. Liability.

Tony Stewart came. Your dad said, so this is interesting. So now we cooking corn. And I'm standing there, and my mom says, Dale, I want you going to get to pay. picture you. He is filthy dirty. I won't show the picture nobody. We're filthy dirty.

And he puts his arm around my mom and dad. And they take a picture. And he looks at my dad and he goes, it's illegal to have this much fun. And you know, he ate clams. Oh, Jesus, mighty. We ate clams some cold beer. And the next day, Saturday,

he comes down to the holler. He says, hey, ed, when he comes into Charlotte, okay, so now, Dale, that's when he was building the new building and stuff. That was before that. That was before that. He had the old shop.

That's when he had Winston. He pulled a one on me at Winston. So your old man goes, Ed, come on over the shop. So I'm like, I take dad over the shop. And he, I have to get to back. And he, your dad's driving and my old man's in the front and the right and right.

He said, where should I put the track at? You know, where should I? Man, bud. And my dad had a habit when he had left hand. And my dad grabbed Dale and he'd say, Dale, you don't want to do that. You come to my place any time you want because, you know, the cars, you don't have access to the cars and the whole nine yards.

I'm going to do it. He said, I'll just buy 10 cars. And about a couple weeks goes by and he says, to me, he says, your dad was right. I'm not going to do it. It's any time you want to come up to do it. That's funny. And another quick, so I met to shop and your dad, he's a practical joker.

And I was gullible. So I go to the back. He's come, I want to show you something. Spencer. So I go back to the barn and he goes out. I go, what? He says, look, I see something. What day is that? Go get that. And I forget what it was. It was nothing, but I forget what. So needless to say, I jump over the fence. I run over there and I look. I hear, what? Out of there, Spencer. Get out of there. And here comes Winston, the bull. Son of a bitch. He's laughing. That son of a bitch. That's son of a bitch.

laughing. Oh man, he helped me and we jumped over the fence. I go, Erna, you son of a bitch. He goes, that's pretty cool. But oh, man, he, he, so here we are. I come over to this garage. Nothing intrigued me about your old man. We were sitting there one night in the shop. We're all sitting in these five-gown buckets. I said, too, we're having a couple of cold bears. I says, Dale, why are you so good? Because this is when I, I wasn't even driving a couple cars at the time. I said, Dale, why are you so good? Well, he says, come, Sunday, before I get in the car, I look wherever I'm starting, I look up and I look down, and I go, ain't nobody here can beat me today. And that was his theory. He had a mindset, and I never

forgot that. Okay. Now, two weeks later, he says, Jimmy, he goes, Spence. Oh, I call me Spencer. Spencer, hey, take me up to Mom's house, I've got to get my truck. I'm driving an 88, a Chevy V8 pickup. She'll jump in me. We drive up to Martha. his house. He gets his S-10 pickup truck. He goes, all right, you ain't going to beat me back to the shop. Oh, ho-ho-ho-ho. So we're going down the road. I pass him. He tries to pass me. He can't pass me. I got a V-A. He got a little S-10 pickup. I forgot on Route 3, 136. You have to slow down to me. So I turn my lights off to make sure nothing's coming. Who the hell goes through the ditch over the thing? boom and he beats me to the shop

pulls in, told you he couldn't beat me that's a driver right there is what that is. Oh man, he was But when he, you know like he when he needed help with the car I didn't know what he I didn't know what he wanted to do when he handed me that nine grand he told him

as you don't realize I wasn't being paid driving a bush car we put every dollar we had in it just and you know it was just man Jimmy I got to tell you a story about this guy real quick he just mentions

and I had forgotten all about this. He just mentions the gas bill of his airplane because he came to my wedding. I had a small wedding, okay? Very small. Just a few people there, right? And it was down in Florida. And when I say Florida,

I'm not talking about Beach, Florida. I'm talking about backwood, like South Georgia Florida. It was where the all the years left. Right. And so our wedding day is notorious, but we still laugh about it because we lost the morning of, you know how, like,

I don't know how Amy would have been, but like typically I would assume the wives have a lot of, anxiety. I mean, like, you want everything to go up perfect and everything. Well, Sarah was not sure she wanted to do it. Is that what it was? We had lost the wedding rings that morning and we had lost the... She tried everything.

Yes, she tried. She said, this is a mistake. Barry these things. But we had lost the wedding rings and the wedding certificate. So we didn't even know if this ceremony we were going to have was actually even legal at this point. And she's wigging out, I'm told. You're not supposed to see her. Anyways, all this anxiety.

society and finally like we had to do this wedding ceremony again it's very small we had to do it with we had to borrow people's rings like we couldn't even find ours all that to say you get through the ceremony and everything's going and she's now you know she was a basket case and then uh all of a sudden you hear when do i get to say i object in the middle of the wedding right afterwards and i turn around and it's spencer that says it all yeah and and and it's the manufacturer died. When do I, and to this day, we bring that up because Sarah's like, you know, we hear, just, you know, a woman hearing that in her wedding. I say, I saved his ass so many times. This is what I was wanting to hear. I'm always wondering why he, you know, he's got this nice shirt pressed. And my wife goes, do you know he comes in and presses his shirts to make sure? In your bus.

I did. What? Yeah, I did. Dang, Mike. These shirts that we had, I don't know that would wrinkle so easily. And all the places to go do that. You know what? You went into the driver's bus?

We had that relationship at that point. We did. We had that relationship. Listen, I'm going to tell you something. First of all, Henry Benfield was his driver. Yes. I brought, God, it is amazing that Sarah's still with me because, like, I brought her to the racetrack for the first time.

And I go, and you say, come over to the bus. And so I go to the bus and I knock on the door, Henry answers, and he says, that ain't the girl you brought last week we had some good times I swear I was like His first And I'm saying Sarah This is Henry

He's kidding I didn't bring a girl last week Yes you did Yes you did I mean he's got a name He's got everything like I didn't stop She's not buying

This isn't funny Henry He's like Henry She was hot We could have Henry If we could have Henry on the show, the stuff he did. Oh, God. So we was at Charlotte, and this is my first attempt to really understand Henry.

So when we were racing the bush cars, Pete, Pat, Pete, Pat, he always made sure my hauler parked right next to their hauler. Yeah. Well, now I know why, because all the officials would come over and eat. Yeah. Because we always had plenty of food. So I'm hot. Friday, we're getting there to the track because we're going to qualify to cup cars. And Friday we have to practice or something for the nationwide race, the Bush race.

And this official, this security guard out at the end, I don't have my pass. It's in the bus. And I'm driving my 90, whatever, my red pickup truck. And the son of a bitch, it's my mirror. Whoa. I said, listen, you son of a bitch, I get out of the truck. I said, this is my vehicle. And you just hit my vehicle.

Well, I told you you can't. Well, thank God the state troopers come in. And now I'm really mean. I'm really frustrated and hot, and the officials see it. So I come in and they say, Spence, call him that what happened? They said, that's son of a man. They've done that dust too.

I could take care of it. Henry. Henry's going to take care of it. That some bitch goes through the audience, through the garage area, collects all the lemons and lemonade's he can. fills the damn cooler up with lemonade and puts three or four bottles. a vizine in it.

Yeah. Do you know what that does to putting vizine in a drink? You'd still be if you drank it. So he goes out with that cooler, so the official, the official takes him out on the golf cart with the cooler,

and the state troopers are there. He will not give anything to the state troopers, but everyone in the security guards. Now listen what that bastard does. He goes into the, into the toilet. To call the toilet paper? No.

No, he sprays it with gasoline. Now, you talk about being on top of runs and burning your butt on top of it? Okay, roll on. My gosh. Oh, he was doing. The NASCAR, even all the officials, all of them. The guy that inspected the carburetors, whole 90s. So, once it's a quick.

So now we're at Phoenix, Arizona. That's right. So Mike and I, we sat on a pole with the yellow freight car. We were pretty happy, the whole 90s. And my buddy, T.C. was a hell of a cook. So we would come into the motorhome. Whoever wanted to come in my motorhome came in, I didn't, we didn't care. Mike knew.

Get out in here. Now, when the door was locked, that meant you couldn't come in. But anyway. So Mike and I, we're having to go. We're hungry, man, we're banished. Well, they got a dozen of donuts here on the thing. But he sees cooking taters and onions and steak, a hamburger steak, best meal in the world. So I'm going back to change.

And I see these donuts. And I says, hey, Mike. I said, look at that. We're going to have donuts. Go ahead, Mike. I wouldn't eat those if I were you. And we're like, I mean, Jimmy's ready to pound them. They're chocolate.

Oh, they were gorgeous. It was Phoenix, but it was late in the year, and it had this chocolate on it, and it was melted, and it looked hot, man, they looked big, those big donuts. And he's like, I wouldn't eat those. And by the way, he opens a microwave up. And we see him, and then he's like, watch. And by the way, we're not making fun of somebody with a speech. This is just how Henry does.

So Henry takes that plate and he goes out and he passes these donuts out to all the security guards in the motor home lot. And what those, that chocolate is X-Lax. Oh. And those things and those security guards are just hoofing them. I'm talking, bow, bow, bow, bow. And we're watching out the window and I'm like, this is bad. Well, what had happened was is this is before there's a tunnel that goes underneath Phoenix International. it's a crossover on the backstretch.

Well, they locked it up for practice, and Henry got stuck on the outside all day. Couldn't get in. And so he went to Walmart, bought donuts, got the X-lax, came back, doctored him up, handed him to every guard that was complicit in not letting him in the track. And he padlocked all the port of John's

except one to which he doused the toilet paper with gasoline. He was awesome. It ain't funny, but it is funny. Those guys, the next day we show up for the cup race that day, and all of them guards had been replaced. Henry guys, where are my friends go? They all caught in sick. That was the life right there.

Benefield would be something. So Mike's first job was with you as a PR guy, and he says that he had two jobs, right, two responsibilities. One was to get you to the driver's meeting, and the other was to get you to intros. And you skipped the driver's meeting on purpose at Daytona because y'all wanted to start in the back i didn't skip the driver's meeting like hell you didn't no i missed driver introduction whatever it was i tell you i was so i got a memory

on this you don't forget i've heard not he was going to get fired yeah i was getting fired listen jimmy i'm going to tell you and i've never had this conversation but i still have PTSD over that week and you know what the people that know and in and train over there may have even been aware of it but But the fact of the matter is is that I was so green. I got the job. I was working as a newspaper reporter on a Tuesday in Albany, Georgia. I make a move to Charlotte on a Wednesday, and they fly me to Daytona on a Thursday. Speed Weeks has already started.

This is 2002. I didn't know anybody. Never been on an airplane. Didn't on a credit card. Didn't know anything. Could you have had a better guy teach you than me? I could have. I probably could have.

I could have. And the big game yet. No, but that week, you went out of your way to make it hell. Now, let me just give you a couple stories. I got used together with him. Listen, I do credit you for a lot of this stuff, but hold on. Let's talk about this week because they said, listen, Jimmy is, you know, he's got this new ride at Gannasi. I have not, I don't know anybody.

I mean, you just imagine. Like, I'm so new. It's like everything's so big. I didn't know anything. They go take me over to Jimmy to meet him and he does this thing where it's like, and he walks off before he, before he, Before he even shakes my leg, he's like, and I'm like, what the hell? Too slow?

And then I come back and he's like, what's your name again? And I said, Mike Davis, he's like, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. And then he walks off again. And I'm just like, is that a good impression? I don't know what, did I do something wrong? And they're like, and it's Bill Lyons who's walking me over there. So listen. So then it's like, okay, your job is this.

You got two jobs in your life as a PR. This is what I'm. I'm told. You just get, all you got to do is get him to the driver's meeting and the driver's intros. That's your only job. And by the way, we're going to win this race this weekend if you don't screw up. That's them to me.

We were going to win race. Dude, don't you remember testing, which you wouldn't have tested the car, but the fence cars, those things were stupid fast. So what happens? We qualify like crap, 21st or 22nd. I think you were better than that. No, we weren't, Mike. And I said to Reno, I says, Mark, man, I said, we're in a freaking snake's pack.

And I said, I can't miss the driver's meeting because that goes against me with Canasca. I said, I just missed driver's intro. So Finch and Mark Reno and myself knew it when he didn't. No. I didn't know it. I'm knocking on his door. Pat says, calm up down. He says, we're going to miss driver intro.

I got my suit and everything on. I don't worry about it. Now we go there, perfect, because we missed driver. I, and he, I never in a. guy. I says, Mike, take care of me. Easy. Don't want you. I'm going to lose my damn job first day on the job. I'm going to lose. I said, no, you're not. No, I said, I got you back. Don't you didn't say that? Are you kidding? I would have that piece of the, I told me. I would have loved it. I've gone 15 years thinking that I was, dude, you didn't say, I got your back. No, I was

done. In fact, I was like, a freaking guy man, he missed intros. I think he did it on purpose. I think he did it on purpose. But why would anybody do this on purpose? It doesn't make any sense. And Lions are telling me, you had one shot at this. And so I'm like, I'm done. And then you are leading the dang right. You win the race, by the way. Yeah, you win it. I blew out of.

You blew up with about 20 to go. But you were leading the race from the back in 22 laps. It was the most amazing thing I'd ever seen. And this car's stupid fast, but I didn't matter because I thought I was done. Well, remember when we had, this was ongoing, right? Now, Finch only cared about one thing. You didn't get hurt, but you won. That's right.

Don't get hurt, but win the race. And my wife loves this sucker. And we took to him like, no tomorrow. And Bill Lyons comes in, going to get him fired. I got to fire him. I said, come in. So we're at Talladega, and me and you get together, just race. And you had pushed me, I catch, I rub the fender, I blow the right front tire.

I don't blow it, I get a slow flat. This is about 10 laps to go in the race. I hit pit road. I go, listen, that's stupid. We're going to save the car for, you know, another thing. So we hit it for Talladega, the second Talladega, when I finished second to that no-good-dam, Todd Bonnine, my partner.

But anyway, so I come on the thing, and he comes in and he, where would you tell those people you park that car? Do you realize we represent yellow freight and he's going on? I went into the hauler. I said, James, I quit. Yeah, I didn't I didn't say that

Bill Lyons said that Bill Lyons. He's with me and he's smiling because he's happy and French goes Oh no you don't You ain't quitting

Look This is what I was going to get at Going back to your point You and I told Dale this I literally believe That I am here because of you And I do And I don't even know that you know that

Or you know why And I'll give you a couple examples One is I'm pretty sure I got it on good authority that I only got the job that Danielle Randall hired me to do that job with you. Because I don't, they were having a hard time hiring people. Like I don't, and I never knew why, but I, I think you, misconstrued. You and you, I don't know, what does that even mean?

I don't know. I don't even know what to do with it. I'm not reacting to that. Strike it from the record. So, so. I think that people. I don't know if you were as easy on PR, I think I was very easy on PR. You were?

Oh, God. Yeah. Everyone, R.J. Reynolds, all of them. That's true. They loved you. They all loved me because I would do anything they wanted. And I did more than my fair. I think it goes back to the media portraying me to be a no good son of a bitch.

I think people had you wrong. You know that. This is what I was going to say. I think people had you pegged wrong. Mike, I remember I told you the story? We were racing in New England. I was racing at a track and the guy got wrecked at another track. And he says, that goddamn Spencer wrecked.

me. He says Spencer's not even here. Oh, that was last night. That's how bad it was. Yeah. That's how bad. And I told him, I said, Mike, that's he's that. Do you remember we went to Shangri-Lada for the- Do I? Do you know I got punched in the face at that place? In the Hall of Fame? No, no, do you remember this? I didn't know if you remember Schengen. Well, they swinging it at me. Jimmy and Miss? No. No, no, they were swinging at me. Why? What did you say? Again, we go to, we go to, we go to, we go to, at the time, it was called T-E-Lah. Yoga? What did you do to get punched? How did you get punching in the face?

I'm about to tell you. We're racing at Michigan or probably Watkins Glen, right? And so you, me and Tony Stewart, go over to Tioga, old changrily to do kind of one of those event nights. And Tony Stewart is racing in a couple races. And that's also a funny story because he got wrecked out of the lead. Yeah. And he got to put into that foam wall. And he waited on the guy.

He took a big foam chunk. Do you remember this? I remember. And the guy comes by under caution and he slams and wedges that foam piece right into this front windshield. And then it became this big thing. And the crowd is going crazy. Like their people are climbing on the fences. And it's just like, I'm like, what a zoo this place is.

God, who would ever come here? No civilized person would ever do it. I had no idea what was about to happen. You go do autograph session out back or front or wherever it was. And you sign for about an hour. I mean, Tony's running in another race. So you sign. But eventually, we got to go.

And so I cut the line. I cut the autograph line. I go stand in the, you know, whatever the end of it is. Well, some dude with a couple little girls walks up, you know, when there's about three or four people left. And so we're wrapping it up. And he's like, now he's going to get in line. And I say, I'm cutting it. This is the end.

He's not signing anymore. He's like, I don't think so. And I'm like, well, yes, I think so. And then he commenced to taking a swing at me. And that's what he's doing. he's laughing and so and in fairness to him this other guy like i'm probably wearing cargo pants and a polo shirt at tauga speedway i probably was the most punchable person there i mean you were definitely overdressed yeah i probably had one of those little multicolored pins in my pocket

and whatever so you know i probably could have yeah i remember you did carry that multicolor pen i know i love that multicolored man and it's what the hell is that so i'm like man in this place. So Tony Stewart gets in a fight. I get decked and Jimmy's laughing and he's just like, hey, welcome to my life. Welcome to my world. And he just thought it was fun. But that was what those years were like.

It was a lot of fun. But it was, let's just say I didn't fear for my safety when I went to work for Dale. You know, how you guys got together, right? We were getting ready to retire. You know, it wasn't going well. I blew more motors up in my lifetime. Remember the serious car? I mean, blew up at Richmond.

I begged him to change the motor. He says, what's the matter? I just effing things going to blow up and let the 100,000 left a lot, 200 laps to go halfway through it, blow it up. Anyway, Mike is, they needing some help selling the newspaper. The Winston Cup scene? Yeah, Winston's a NASCAR scene, whatever it was called at the time. So they said, could Spencer write?

You know, because people like him, can he write a story? I said, yeah. So he comes to me with the idea. I says, Mike, I can't write a goddamn story. worry, I'll do it for you. Just you tell me. Jim Hunter said we should have made a book out of that because they were pretty awesome. That's how the Budweiser lady hires Mike Davis.

No, no, that's not true. That's not true. I did go strike that column in NASCARcina every week for a year. What I think, and it wasn't a lady, it was Jade Gers. Although a lady's name may be, but. I know you came to ask me for help, and I ain't going to tell you any further than the money. The money in the car, he says, this is what you do. goes, are you nuts? I might do this. I've got a theory. You may disagree with me, but I've got a

theory. I think that actually your dust up with Kurt Bush actually is why I got the attention. And here's why. Hold on. Let me finish because I think you're already ready to disagree with me. Remember we had- You're good at what you do about me. Hold on, though. We had the attention of Sports Illustrated that year. I know. Lars Anderson. And he was writing a story on you. However, it was only going to be on, well, what we were told is it was only going to be on the website. He lied to us. No, no, no, he didn't lie to us. He didn't have any control over that.

He's not an editor. He didn't lie to us. But he had come down and we'd done interviews. And so us doing Sports Illustrator was a major deal. And I'd been working on that deal and we got the Sports Illustrated deal, but we didn't think it was going to be in the magazine. And yet, when the Michigan thing happened and you, uh, did what you did to Kurt.

And maybe we talk about that here. Oh, yeah, we're going to talk about it. But when you did that, that got us in the magazine. You know what I'm saying? I mean, you agree. Like, that got us in the magazine. Lars Anderson said, we ain't got to worry about websites now.

We're in the big deal. And so when that Sports Illustrated article came out, I think Jade Gers noticed. I like, how, you know, did we have any business being in Sports Illustrated, ultra-motors sports, Jim Smith, you know. Blown up every week.

Yeah. Strugan. We had one race. Pocano. Holy shit. Bristol, you let a bunch of laps, got caught under caution. That was the one thing. So I think, but here it is. I look back at several things.

Mike Eggie. Oh, my God. Mike Eggie was a motor builder, yeah. But I think that that might have been unfortunate for you on how that all transpired with the Kurt Busch deal. But it certainly. I don't think so. I think that that deal at Michigan, then I come to realize how,

how important I was to the fans. Yes. Same as you. That was the best PR work I've ever done. Ever done. You remember you coming? I said, this is a setup, buddy. They are not going to let me race Wednesday.

Remember we flew to Frickin Bristol? I know that. We did because you're, you had, you had your head. I said, Mike, this is cut and drive. And I told them to their face. I said, you, son. Oh, anyway. Hold on, though.

But remember, like, I don't think you actually punched Kurt Bush because of anything that happened on the track. Let's get into the details. Okay, go ahead. First off. of what happened. That's true. We should do that. Yeah.

All right. Like, I don't know, and I'm sure a lot of people listen and don't know if he ever did get punched. I don't know what happened. Oh, that's right. Well, he came out with a bloody nose, so something happened. Don't know how that happened. He hit the steering well. So what happened.

So there's stuff's going on on the racetrack. 2003, Michigan International Speedway. So there's stuff going on on the racetrack. Y'all are running over each other and banging into each other. Post race. You're in the garage. before him out of your car? What happened?

Tell me exactly what went down. The year prior, he says I wrecked him at Phoenix. Then he says that he took the win off me at Bristol. He tried to wrecked me at Bristol. Moved you out of the way. And that was his first win. Yeah. And he's lucky that day I was driving for Ganesi

because if I was driving for myself, he wouldn't have won. But you've got to do what your car. car owner says you don't want to lose your job. And then the following time it was another track. Indy. He says, I wrecked him. I didn't even have a scratch on my car. Something broke on his car.

And he brings me. You hit him in old. Do I? Huh? You touched him at Indy. You ran into that. Indy. Come on.

You think I did? Hitt him. Yes, I think you did. Pretty damn good, wasn't it? They did not even know that. I mean, Helton, come home, looked at the car. He says, Spencer, how the hell did you do that? There's on a marker in your car.

because I says, Bobby Allison taught me how to do that. So let's get. So you are admitting it. I admit it. I spun that some bitch out. So at Phoenix. All right.

No, that was the first one. No, you mean Michigan. Michigan. Michigan. Now it's still happening. Still going on.

Yeah. Post race, you're out of your car. You're. Well, tell you how it happened, bud. So we were running for the win.

Yeah. He was too. And we had a pit for fuel. Well, he says he ran out of fuel. Okay. Long story short, you know how Michigan is. You have to come in the pit road.

Yeah. So as we're coming, I don't know where we finished. Pissed off. Now, my car is here. That bastard comes down there, a 300 mile an hour Revitus motor cuts me off. After the race. This is in the garage.

This is before you get in the garage. Before you get in the garage. Yeah. Actually, Oh, I got you. So now, as you're coming down in the thing, all the trucks are lined up, and he has to turn this way.

And he pretends his car's not going. and he wants me to hit him. And I'm like, you know, I'm going to teach that some bitch or less. I am going to hit him. Well, Miles, go, no, no, no. So he says, well, my car ran out of gas or whatever. So, you know, he blocks a whole line. He screws everybody.

I get out of the car. Yep. He calls me to the car. Hey, you old bastard. That's what he said? He said, hey, you old bastard. Oh. My friend, Bobby Allison says it needs to be addressed.

So you walked up to his car. I walked up to his car. They're like this in the garage. I said, get out of the car, and let's just finally settle this. And I says, I'll put one hand behind my back and whip your ass. You said that to him. Yeah. So he ain't going to get out of the car.

This is what he does, Dale. He calls me to the car, sitting in the car, calls me to the car. I go up to the car. He says, you old decrepit has been, I know where your family lives. And he swings at me. But he's in the car. He's in the car. car. This is how stupid this person can be.

All right. I went, you stupid son of a bitch. Boom. And I saw the blood. And I went, holy, no. You coward. You know, and he would not get out of the car. He is, he is.

What did he say when you hit him? He was shocked. And I didn't, I didn't really intend to, you know, I just bitch slapped him. That's all I did. He ain't a man because he couldn't take a punch. It was just a little backhander. I know what he said after he hit it. What do he said?

You're over, you're ended, you're done. That's right. That's what Kurt said when he got out of the car. You had it on tape. I also have it in my memory. I mean, I know you leaned in there. So what he did is he parked in front of the lift gate. You couldn't pull your car up on the truck.

And he parked in front of it and he kept you because y'all were playing those games. And then when you went into the – I just remember watching this because you go in and you're leaned in. and I just think y'all were having your conversations. I'd seen you go at Todd Bowdine a couple times. I know how these things worked. But when he got out with the bloody nose, I was like, oh, he hit him. And then Kurt Busch is like, you're done. You're over.

It's over. And he went straight to the NASCAR hauler. And we went straight to your car trying to get out of the track. You almost made it. All right. We did almost make it. And what happened? Well, we were waiting for them to let the line go.

And we're like, come on, let's get out of here. I said where? And then the NASCAR. I'm laying in the back. That's right. He was laying in the ass. We were trying to do an escape. Those are good, important details for a podcast.

So we went, he's like, Mike, get the car. And so we're getting the car. And then we're laying there and we're like, come on, let the crossover thing go. Let's go. And then finally this NASCAR official goes. I said, and we're like, what the NASCAR official do? He pointed his fingers. He pointed his finger.

You like, get out. You're coming with us. I said, Mike, that's our ass. That's right. So y'all have to go to the hauler. Is Kurt Steele in there? Oh, hell no. He's long gone.

Who's talking to you? He's a coward. Who's talking to you? Helton said what happened. And I told him there's more of the story to meet the eye. Mike, are you there? Not inside. I'm outside.

So Helton says, I told you, I got to do something about this. I says, no, you don't. I said, that son of a bitch deserves what he got because he threatened my family. He threatened my family. And I remember growing up with my dad The boys would sit there and the girls would sit there and mom would sit there And dad said if anything ever happens to any of these girls I'll kill you you protect them

It's just the way my dad was you've protected your family And who when he said that to me about my family That was the end of it and I told him and Tom said you shouldn't hit him And he says Mike I didn't hit him he hit me first He swung at me first he missed I didn't miss that's as a

that's it that's in the court of law and it didn't go to the court of law that's in the court of Spencer maybe you Mike you swing at somebody oh and oh and I see what you're saying right just I'm saying

record that never went to they threatened I know what he meant but they threatened a lawsuit oh yeah they threatened the lawsuit that day absolutely Jack Rouse was saying we're suing him Why?

That's why I'm drawing distinction between the fact that this never actually made it to the court of law. That's why I'm saying that. So Jack comes in. He's hot as a firecracker. And I'm calm. One thing, you want to hear the truth. I'm going to tell you the truth.

So Jack's sitting there and Helton sitting there. And I says, there's more. So Jack, I says, relax, calm down. So this needs to be told. So Jack sitting there and I tell Jack what happened.

Okay. Well, Jack knows they have a run in. with them in the past. Yeah. So one thing leads to another. Jack takes the car home and checks it. Jimmy Finning, ironically, is his crew chief. Jack, I take off Bristol.

The fans make me a hero. Mike calls me on the phone. He's, you need to listen to this. And they were raining and rain with Jimmy Spencer Mungo. Remember, Mike, it was... You took off? Oh, no, no. I got kicked out for the truck race,

the Bush race, and the cup race. Yeah. For him hitting his hand on my fist. So here's what happened. He got fined. Let me rephrase that for his face. So he was going to miss Bristol the next week. He did miss Bristol.

We went to Bristol early to try to appeal it and lost the appeal. How did you lose the appeal? Could never have a chance. Really? Yeah. Come on, Dale. Yeah, back then, people weren't winning appeals. I'm just so used to.

It probably, yeah. Dale, you're used to win. winning a field seems like pretty easy i'm just kidding i'm just kidding i'm just kidding he won an appeal just a few weeks ago so awesome it's a good feeling it's a good feeling i think i think i think nascar's changed some over the years but i believe in my i know from listening that hey they took the one up from me at tauton i believe back then they were they were either you were either going to be guilty or not yeah he had a target on your back here's one of the things that had a reputation but then everything that had happened between y'all here's one of the things i'm most proud of though is that so you just heard jimmy

and i've always had this here i've always been curious but i always felt like the only reason you did punch him was because of him parking where he parked and the things that happened off the track well i knew things that escalated jimmy i get that but i'm just saying like that day because you and i when we talked on the airplane going back i was like what i mean why did you hit him you're like you parked in front of my truck you see that did you and i'm like is that really why he did it though i mean that's it i i i told how to them the same thing. I said, Jack was sitting in. I said, first of all, he threatened my family. See, I didn't know that. And I told Jack, I said, you know what, cut both my hands off? I'll

still figure away of kicking your ass or doing something about it because that's the way I was raised with my dad. And that got Jack's attention. I got you, but let me, let me do this. I somehow got my hands on the in-car radio. Yeah, you did. And it's Kurt Bush saying, I tried to wreck him, but I'm not, I guess I'm just too good of a guy. And he's talking to Jimmy Finnege on the radio. Now this is before NASCAR's track pass and all that stuff. And so, you know, I don't even recall how I got the radio. But what I did with it is I sent it to Dave to Spain for Wind Tunnel. And I said, look, you want to know why Jimmy wrecked him or why Jimmy hit him?

Because he was admitted that he was trying to take Jimmy out in the race. That's why. And I was hoping that they wouldn't ask any follow-up questions to me because, honestly, it was all BS. because I didn't there's no way Jimmy could have known what Kurt Bush was saying on the radio during a race right I mean certainly not at that time but I put that to Dave to Spain they play it and man it was just sitting back and watch what happens because then you all of a sudden the fans became big time like like they that's hurt was the the enemy in that deal yeah and what hurt more than anything Mark Martin calls me on the phone Thursday teammates with Kurt at your time of yes sir deal and he says spats he says I'm needed to come to the motor home tomorrow night. Okay? So we go to Darlington. Nothing happens.

We totally didn't address. It was over with because it was over. I missed Bristol. Had a chance of winning all three races. We miss it. Really missed it bad because I knew the truck was good. I knew the Bush car finishing the top five and the cup car finished in the top five. I was really pissed off because I knew it was way better than the driveway that was in it.

But anyway, Jack Roush, wants to meet me at Mark. Mark's bus. This is the two weeks after the incident. Jack comes in. He's late. He comes in. Mark says, I'll leave you guys alone. I says, no, you can sit here, Mark. It doesn't matter. And Mark and I were good friends. And Jack comes in. He says, I'm sorry for what happened at Michigan. And I went, Jack, you know, I told you there was more of the story. He said, well, I went, checked the car out. He lied. He lies all the time. He lied to me. You know, one thing leads to another. And I mean, accept my apology.

I said, we need to tell the media. I can't do that. Think about it from my side. 2,000 employees, whatever, all my sponsors. But you got me personally, you and I personally know that. I accepted it. And it hurts because the fans didn't know how bad that driver was. He's a terrible driver.

Got fired from Roush, got fired from pets, got fired from everywhere. He worked. I mean, all truthfulness. Your old man told me one time, if he fingers me one more time, Spencer, I'm going to break his hand off and stick it up his ass. He never learned.

He never learned. He's a health of a race car driver. But you know, Darrell Walter always says, you've got to learn how to race. You've got to learn. It's respect. He has no respect in the garage area. Your dad had respect, Rusty Wallace.

Jeff Gordon, you did. I mean, you had respect, and he never did. And when you look over his career, what happened? Well, Jack was the one that told me that. Mark, same way, and he gets fired at the end of the year. So, but then he gets, Roger Pesky comes. Jimmy, I said, yeah, Roger, Mr. Pesky, Roger. You and me are going to get to the bottom of this?

I'm going to get this settled. I says, until somebody says they're sorry, can't accept their apology. You can't, I'm going to get it done. He never did. I flew home with Roger from Atlanta, and he said, you know, Spencer, he's just not, he's a hell of a race car driver, but he's just not quite. The person that, I forget, a Roger explained. He fired, Roger fired him.

Yeah, years later, or several years later, right. Yeah, he gets fired because he sent dumb shit. I'm not saying he can't drive, but he just, you know what I'm trying to get? You just don't. Has he gotten better? Did I wreck you because you wrecked me at Richmond? No. Did, you know what?

So the funny thing is, is we actually ended up in a back of a pickup truck like the next week. Isn't that how it works? That always. Never fails. Never fails. You run over a guy, you're going to be in the pickup truck for intros the next week. Yeah. And I said, hey, Jimmy, I didn't have any breaks.

And he's like, all right, don't worry about it. I was like, had some problems with my breaks at night. Got in the corner too deep, right? Nobody goes out there with the attention to wreck anybody, right? I mean, it's all truthfulness. You don't. I mean, it's where you raced. Hold on a second.

Say that again. Nobody goes out there. I never went out there with the intention. Attention to reckon him. To reckon him. Did you develop an intention during the race? No, after the race. And before the, oh, yeah.

I was taught that if you couldn't pass him, then you finished forever. But if he tried to do that or he bumped you, you bump him back twice. They give you a reason. Right. Yeah. Give him a reason. If you got it. And make sure that he knows.

Dude, knowing now how much he remembers every little incident that happened to him over all these years, I don't know that that back of the pickup truck conversation would have been enough for me to feel good about the situation. It's enough for me. That's all I did. I'm good. I mean, glad it's hard. I just, you know.

I respected people. I respected how hard, you know, like when you started in the Bush series, you guys were fast. Yeah. And you had good stuff. Had a good team. And I knew it. And you know why I knew it? Because earlier I drove the car for your dad.

Yeah. And I realized how good your, you're, to the two boys were. The two guys were. And the same thing. But, you know, as, as. As NASCAR changed rules and changed stuff, I think they lost their way on some of the stuff. It's just like going back to Sonoma with the fenders. They needed to say, wait a minute.

I remember sitting there with John Darby, and they were cocking the rear ends and stuff and cambering them. And I says, listen, if nobody has it, nobody has an advantage. So if you just say no, then nobody has it. But they didn't. Oh, we can control it. No, you can't. That's like leaving one ant in the freaking room and wonder what happened a week later

when there's 10 million ants. It's a hell of a metaphor, but it's the truth. Once one guy, the sport places itself, and I remember sitting in one day with a bunch of engineers, and I was in the meeting with NASCAR. They said, you don't know what you're talking about. I says, no, but I pulled a tape measure out of my pocket. I says, no one is smarter than me

when I have that tape measure. It's the truth. And I think that NASCAR is really, like right now I think they got a pretty decent package, but I also think that they've lost a lot of fans because of, I think a lot of the personalities. Thank God they got Kyle,

both Kyle Larson, you know, the kid you got. Gregson? Oh, I like Gregson. He's fast, but no. He won the truck race up at Bristol there. Oh, Sam Mayor. Mayor. Oh, Sam Mary.

You like him? I like that guy. Really? I told Rick Kennedy a couple of a while back that you need to hire Kyle Larson, Tyler Redick. Tyler is very good. And unfortunately for children, I don't think his organization is where it needs to be right now. But Tyler is the whole race car driver. Yeah.

And Christopher Bell's coming around. But Christopher, I think,'s got some mess in his head. He has to get his head screwed on straight, in my opinion. You follow it. You still follow it. I do, dear. Yeah, it was a hell of a race Saturday night. Yeah.

What are you doing? Gardening. Gardening. Yeah, I got some tomatoes. I was watering my tomato plants this morning. Where do you live? I live down there in Huntersville, and I bought it a little place. My wife found it about 10, 12 years ago, and I said, that's going to be a good place for us to retire.

So we retired, sold everything we had a couple years ago. My sister changed my life, Chrissy, you know. How did that change your life? You know, Dale, she protected me all she could. Ironically, Chrissy knew how I was. So Chrissy and Bush's girl that was her PR person were best friends. And she would fly home with me on the airplane. And Chrissy would say something.

She said, Jimmy doesn't care. Just don't bring anything up. Jimmy racing's over when you, it's over when it's over. When we leave the track, it's over. So you don't call people, you'd get better the following week. And, you know, Chrissy didn't have a lot of money. But, you know, boy, nobody could say anything wrong about her brother. And, you know, one day we were, I was doing a TV, and I went over to her house,

and she was trying to fix her little house up in Enochville. And, you know, my wife said something, and I said, this is what we need to do. So we did it. And I had three guys come over one day, and I said, we'll put a new hardwood floor down. $500. 500 bucks. Think about that. Peanuts.

And baby, but she came in there at 5 o'clock. that night. And that smile. This smile was never, I can't get it out of my head. So told Pat

Friday I had to leave to go to Indianapolis Friday night to get a call. You're sitting down, honey. I said, yeah, babe, what's up? Chris, he's got ovarian cancer and died January 9th. But that 500 bucks. 500 bucks.

God dang, that was peanuts to me. And I took care of my sister, but I never probably did enough. I did. I don't know how to explain it, but it was like, you know what? The moral of the story for me was, if 500 bucks had changed a person's life that much, Why you keep doing what you're doing? And I said to Pat, I said, I remember my buddy telling me,

when's enough enough, when's enough money enough, enjoy life, quality of life. And when I bought the farm over there in Huntersville, I said, Pat, we're going to build Chrissy house here. And when I mow my grass, I think about it. I said, Chrissy, this is where your house would have been. And never happened. But I lost interest in everything.

I lost interest in TV. I lost interest in everything. Then the Lord blessed us with some grandbabies. And now I play with the grandbabies so much. Them suckers dig. Oh, my God, we were gardening. And I got a picture here of them digging. And it's poppy.

How old are they? Hudson is four years old. And I ride around in the Jeep at the farm with my, that's my man, Nolan. You could look at some of the pictures. That's all my kids, grandkids. And I have an old Jeep, and he goes, Poppy's Jeep. But four, two and a half and two and a quarter, whatever you want to call it. Perfect.

And they dig. Look in there, Mike. You'll see him digging in my garden. Them suckers dig all the time, Poppy. So I build a new umbrella so that I could keep the shade, you know. I mean, it's just, it's cool. And that's what I have, them, them guys right now. And, you know, the Lord works a mysterious way.

your mom always would tell you, you know, your dad was a minister, just like you with Sarah and the two girls. And to me, everybody would say, why didn't you do this? Why didn't you bring up about Jack Rouch? Why didn't you,

why did you drive for Travis so long? You know, it was because of the friends. It was because of the people I knew. I missed NASCAR more than anything for the officials, but now they don't have the officials. Jim Hunter, Bill France. I mean, remember Jim,

from Yellow Freight. Remember that day we were doing that autograph deal? I mean, you know, the sponsors loved the sport and I loved, I mean, I think back to Bristol with Steve Smith, his father, Jack.

I mean, oh my God, you know, and I have so many friends and it just that's the memories I have. It's so special. And nobody could ever say that I screwed him. Nobody can ever say, hey, he effed me out of money or he did this wrong or I lied to him. I never lied to anybody. And that's probably what got me in trouble.

That's probably what got me in trouble. I mean, it's hard to argue with that. I mean, I think that that's the thing. Jimmy's always been the most transparent to a fault, honest guy. Oh, my own fault. But to be honest with you, when people critique the sport today, it's sort of the first thing that people miss about it is that there's nobody that really just cause it like they see it for better or worse.

And I'm curious about you because do you wish that you would have been different? I mean, it's almost a catch-22. It caused you a lot of grief. And yet, people sit there and say that that's what the sport needs. Man, what an almost impossible position to be in? You know, I remember Ray Everham coming to me and asking me to talk to Casey Kane. and Bill was there and Bill said how about talking to him

so we'd go in the bus and I used to tell him that the biggest problem that I have is I try to go as fast as I can go every single lap and I would tell him that that is the worst thing you can do because you only can drive your car

as fast as you can in my modifies I knew how far I could go and I never went over it and that's why we won a lot of races championship but when I come down here I always felt like him that Saturday night when he won. Son of a bitch, I didn't have a good enough car,

and I was upset and frustrated. I was like, if I had that damn car, I could win the race. And it escalate. That's why I love driving for Finch. You know, it's like we won two in a row at Richmond. We're going for the third one. I'm going to win it. And they had invented tubular U-bolts.

Yes. I remember this. Right? Yeah. So I go to pull out and the U-bolt brakes. And Darby, they call me in the hall of the next day. Got the piece sitting there. He says, wow, cool, man.

That was some ingenuity right there. Oh, yeah. I said, he says, you know who's car that come out of? I says, I guess it's come out of mind because that's why I'm here. I'm not stupid. Do you realize what would have happened at that? happened on the racetrack? Yeah, I started to hit the

wall pretty hard. And he goes, yeah, that's my point. This is stupid. There's nothing we could do about it, but you realize it's up to you to do something about it. I said, oh, hell no. Hell no. He came into Pitt and they jacked him up. And then he gets up, when they drop the jack.

The car sat on the ground. The car comes and the whole bottom. I remember. And pieces went everywhere. And Jimmy gets out of the car laughing. Spring fell out of it. Yeah, everything. It just went everywhere. and hollowed out Yuval.

Reno was pretty good. He was. There's been a lot of Mark Reno stories. So are you purposely laying low? People feel like you've been kind of off the grid. Yeah. Are you just kind of... For somebody that was full of color and all kinds of opinions,

you had been pretty quiet here the last several years. You know, Dale, I saw it. I saw it starting when I was doing TV. Our TV show, you know, Kenny Wallace. I love him, man. And he's his spats. We're not the ones. Water cooler talk anymore.

Kenny had a saying about Monday morning the water cooler talk. And I remember, I don't carry grudges. I remember that Steve Burns, God rest his soul. What a great guy. Work for speed. And we were doing some stuff. And I said, Steve, you know, I've had my run-ins with this guy,

but I think he needs a story. I think he needs a story. Kurt Bush. So we would play the segments where he would curse people. He would lose his temper like no tomorrow. And that would cost him the race. So we, Steve helped me, and we had some great people at speed. And we did this piece for three or four days.

We worked on it off and on, not eight hours straight. Sure. And the piece came out, freaking awesome. Burns says, man, Spence, that son of the bitch is going to be awesome. So we talked about his progression in his sport, becoming a champion. But how bad he was with your dad, fingering him. With NASCAR, telling the officials to lick my sweaty. You know, go down the line.

Liss cursing Mr. Penske, all this stuff, and I played it all out. But yet, he's finally, like, found his way. Sure. Stop the story there. Mr. Hendrick and Bill Friantz are sitting in the hauler. They call me to the hauler because they knew I had a run-in with Kurt. This is after Kyle breaks the trophy at Nashville. I go into the hollery. Guys, what's going on?

We need your help. There's got people I really respect them. sport. Those two are making up the top. Rick says, you know, he says, you saw what happened? I said, yeah. He said, could you like do us a favor and do me a favor and try to talk to this guy? And Bill says, you know, he's running the truck right. I said, okay, I'll take care of it, guys. You know, explain to him, Bill says, explain to him what you went through. Explain to him how this sport works. So I went to the hauler that Thursday night or whatever at Texas, and I talked to him, but it didn't get through, evidently, because Mr. Hendrick fired him.

later on. But getting back to that. So I'm proud of this story. So I'm in the TV's thing and I'm talking about it and the door pops open. You know, when you have the door that says don't enter because you're taping and the guy comes in and I'm not going to mention his name. He's, whoa, what the hell are you doing? I have this guy coming on to show tomorrow for the new ride for Chip Cannes. I mean, for for Stuart Haas racing, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And I said, whoa, whoa, calm down. down, dude. Calm down. No, you've been, you had a hard on. He says, no, I'm telling you the truth. And the story never aired. But it was a hell of a story. Hell of a story. And, you know, he started telling me what I had to say. They started telling me, I can't. I see.

The drivers would say, oh, I'm not talking to Spencer. All right. A great one was Jeff Green. He was driving for Mr. Haas. He was doing crap. And I brought the statistics up. there they are you know and oh he jumps all over speed you gosh cursing them

everything else on the Sunday says hey you can have a shot at Spencer next week no problem I had my story straight I had my notes so Johnny Roberts is sitting there and Teddy Nikitus is now Jeff remember this is live

okay you be careful because Jimmy's not going to do none okay just be okay so he gets on so Johnny brings it up, he strings it up, and I says, okay, I throw him a question. I go, okay, Dale, you're in charge of Rick Kendrick Motorsports, Monday morning. What's the first thing you do?

He didn't know what the hell to say. He goes, what would you do? I said, fire you. And he was just, and on Johnny Roberts, go, you know, he didn't have a, Bickers threatened to sue me. Brian? Oh, yeah. And I like Brian.

He threatened to sue me. And I'm like, for something you said? Yeah. It was the truth. I forget what it was over. You know, another one was... Oh, my God. Keselowski.

Brad? Yeah. He threatened not to come on the show. He hit you with the pie. Oh, yeah, well, how about Biffel giving me a black eye? Yes. Biffel never gave me a black eye, but we played the part. Sure.

It became very scripted, is what you're saying. Like, everything was scripted. Well, but that was fun scripted back then. Yeah. I wanted to get off the road. Chris, he had passed away. I wanted to get off the road. I was tired of traveling, you know, and I said, you know, I prepared for retirement to where my sister did that.

Like, I, I missed this. Yeah. I don't know about you, but me, I'd be out there. I said, what are you doing? Yeah. What are you doing in that car? Let's figure this out. How can we get better?

I miss that. I miss the guys. But, you know, and that's what happened in the TV gig. It was like, it just kept compounding, compounding, compounding. And I was like, if you're going to tell you. Tell me what I got to say, you don't need me here no longer. I quit. They said, you can't quit.

You got a contract. I said, listen, I quit. And then they said, no, you're going to do this, and then quit at the end of the year. So I quit. I miss it because the fans wanted to hear your side of the story. And when the drivers would come on, I remember Jamie McMurray, I had to tell him he was right. He wanted me to eat crow. Yeah.

And I ate, you know, I did it. Just like when you, I wanted to show you had a guy. the winner's circle is intended to be fun. Yes. Because you had so many damn followers. You don't, at this point, it's okay. He just worked up. You wind him up and let him go.

You do not realize how many people at our stage, you're Elvis. Did they give you a hard time for what you said? Oh, hell no. No? No. Oh, they'd holler at me. All in all, a lot of would say he's going to get in where I know he is. I mean, I would try to explain that.

Look at Penske. Last year, they were okay. But look at Hoss and the Gibbs cars were hauled ass. Well, this year they can't find, hell, they can't hit the broad side of a barn door. But yet Hendrick this year is, Jesus, mighty Hendrik is flying. What have they found? They found something. And the bottom line is they got two of the best.

I remember Bill France always telling me. Chevrolet always will have the best drivers. Really? Yes, sir. Bill France said Chevrolet would always have the best drivers? Bill Elliott. Bill Elliott. What the heck?

When Bill Elliott made up two laps at Talladega. I wasn't in the Cup series. He embarrassed Bill France. Bill France carried that for a long time. And I'm good friends of Bill. But let me tell you something. Chase Elliott's a race car driver, buddy. Kyle Larson's a race car driver.

For sure. And if you don't produce it, Hendricks, what do you do? You get moved out. Where do you want to go from there? He got hurt. I know what you're talking about because I got hurt many of times. I'm going to tell you what it's scared. You're talking about Dale.

You're damn right. It scares the guy. I stuck up for him like no tomorrow because I know that I have problems to this day about it. Did you have concussions? Holy Jesus. Broke my helmet more than once. Did you really? You always wore that open-faced helmet.

You always wore that open-faced helmet. Listen. Yeah. Do you know that remember when you're walking down a set of steps, you feel like you're going to fall? Yeah. It scared I, I'm going to the ground. Pat, Pat, I'm holding on. What's matter, honey?

What's the matter? I says, you can't believe this. But I feel like I'm going to fall. So she helped me whittled down the steps. I went to see Doc Petty. Then I went to see Dr. Branch. But you rang that bell. So I know I'm going to have Alzheimer's or whatever they call it.

You think so? Yeah, Mike. Dang, that's that. I'm 64 and I notice it now. You do? Yeah. I don't, you're pretty damn sharp. You remember details right now, Jimmy, that I can't, I swear to God, I can't remember what happened last week.

I live racing Mike so much. It's etched in my memory. I mean, that's everybody. I mean, everybody's, you remember. You hang on to the past memories. That's easy. It's what happened in the last six months. Yeah.

Is that right? It's impossible to remember. Very true. I can remember beating him. He beat me come that we were doing good at Richmond. and the word got out that he was going to kick our ass, remember, Dale Earnhardt? Dale Earnhardt was going to kick your ass? Yeah.

On the race track. See, everybody thinks automatically it's fighting. See? You know, I went to New England, and that's how I got my bad reputation because I says, you're up sick because I came and kicked your driver's ass. I'm just trying to think, what did you do to call him getting to kick your ass? And he'd come, Tony, Tony, what do you ever call him, junior, senior? Well, which one?

It was both. I know, but which. I always just called him senior junior, right? That'll work. They came. They kicked my ass. I thought it had him beat, and he had better breaks. We was on a Willwood deal, and that's when Willwood come out with some new breaks.

And buddy, he just outbrook me. I was like, son of a bitch, he got me. I beat. And you ended up winning a race up. There's a pretty car. I don't even know who was on the car. It's a Friday night race, I think, at Richmond. You liked Richmond.

You were like me. Was it that Gossamer Looney Tunes car? Yeah, I think it was Looney Tunes. I kicked our butts. Remember that, Mike? That was a drop snout hutch. That's a bitch was fast. It was very fast.

Yeah. Yeah. It was fast. Well, man, God, we got to get, we got to end this, yes. One o'clock. I missed lunch. I still need to take you to the shop because there's people that want to see you. There are two things, all right?

Wow. Jimmy missed lunch. That's when you know you got a good podcast when he missed a meal. And when Mike, when Mike Davis. described working with me as normal after working with you. I know that working with me was nothing, anything but normal. But finish that real quick, because like I said, you know, because until I worked for you, I thought it was normal that they'd just send the PR guy up to spot during a race.

I, you know, I got, I had, I spotted for Jimmy. I'm wondering why you didn't win those races because you had the best spotter. But the, uh, yeah, but like, like, I, like, The things that we got put into, like, I didn't know that that was not what most people do. I thought PR people get sent to the roof to spot. They gave Mike. Terrible. They gave Mike a radio at Sonoma one year, says, go spot, and he didn't know where to go.

So he went to the media center, the only place he had access and spotted you from the media center sitting next to Lee Spencer, eating a sandwich. Here was one of my calls. And we can end on this. I'm spotting that hairpin at Sonoma, that last turn. before you come back. That was my corner, right? I've never been there, by the way. So this, again, this is my normal.

And I come in here, and there's a huge wreck down there, and Jimmy's coming in, I'm like, wrecking, wrecking, getting out, ooh. That's funny. And that was my call. And Jimmy gets on the radio, he goes, Mike, you just be quiet. I'm going to, I got this.

And so he told the spotter just shut up. I'll just figure it at myself. I know you're saying, no, Mike, but you got to admit. We had good times. You had a lot of fun. It was fun. But if you won or lost, the one thing that I'll take away, I wish that I became, you're not supposed to,

I wish I had spent more time with a lot of the drivers. I never was really big friends because that's why I was raised. But I missed the time with your dad. And, you know, like, I know I see, I was good friends with Harvick. And, you know, Jimmy Johnson called a quick story. So I'm at my house and a phone rings. And I was doing TV and Jimmy Johnson had a run in with the other one we were talking about.

So Jimmy's suspense. He says, do you remember Indianapolis? And I said, yeah. He says, you got to learn how to do that. You know, how did you do that? And I was trying to explain it to him. And I said, Jimmy, time out, bud. I says, listen, you don't want to step down his level.

And I said, why would you want to do that? Because he wrecked himself trying to wreck him. And anyway, Jimmy said, you're right. I said, Jimmy, move on. I said, you're a damn champion. You're a five-time champion, whatever. I says, don't even think. Don't even think about that.

And he did. So, you know, when you get a phone call for somebody, you know, it's pretty special. Yeah. So that's stuff that I had. And I never really talked about a whole lot because I admired him. I mean, he was in the best equipment that ever could ask. That's like these guys don't realize the equipment they're in, Dale.

These Bush guys don't realize the equipment they're in. this new driver these guys don't have a clue the brakes the transmissions the rear end gears the motors don't blow up if I had that crap we blew up seven or eight motors holy hell

blow up oh my God forget about it all right thank you Jimmy thanks for coming on the show it's been as good as I hoped it'd be it's been nice to learn about y'all's relationship it's good to see you again you too buddy in person and I hope your gardening goes well

buddy. I'll bring you, you like tomatoes? I love I love food, any kind. Oh, my tomatoes is right with the best. Take the tomatoes, you take these sweet 100s, and you pick them fresh from the vine, and you put them in a freezer bag, and you put enough for you and your wife to have supper.

And then you take those things, and you put them in the freezer, then you put some onion garlic, a whole nine yards, in the middle of the wintertime, you take them suckers out and put them in the thing, and as they thaw, they're making the sauce and squish them with a squisher. It's good as sex. Jimmy Spencer on the Dale Jr. Download.

All right. We are live. Well, we finally made it to my favorite part of the show. Ask Junior brought to you by Xfinity. Let's hear some questions that you guys sent Xfinity Racing on Twitter. So go ahead, Leah. First question from Higgy. How much of a difference is there in prep and execution for lead hosting versus being the color commentator on a broadcast?

Uh, well, I will just say this. Like they told me I was going to host with Brad Paisley. I'm like, all right, I'm going to be super nervous because when you're hosting, you're the one that starts to show. Hey, welcome everybody to Nashville Super Speedway. You got to know where you're at, what you're there for, and you've got to really present this moment as this very important thing and talk about how special this race is and all that. You know, you see Mike Tariko and people do that, and it seems so effortless.

But when you're putting that position at that table and you've got to just kick it into gear. And the other part, too, is you'll have the producer in your ear and you're sitting next to whoever you're working with. And they'll go, all right, send it to commercial. Well, you have to have a thought in your mind to go, all right, you know, we'll be right back after the break. But you can't say that every single time. You've got to have different creative ways to send it to break and then bring it back from commercial, right? So what I did was I went and watched a lot of countdown to Greens on YouTube. Christavoda was amazing at hosting Countdown to Green for years for NBC.

So I really literally sat there and listened to every word she said during the show and wrote down some of the interesting things and ways she sent them to commercial or brought them back and just ways she interacted with the people she's working with. So that was really, really helpful. And I miss working with Krista. She was amazing. And so, you know, I felt a little bit better after doing that. I went into the production meeting on Saturday morning before the Xfinity race,

and I got the production sheet on basically they hand you a sheet that's basically, at 2 o'clock, we're coming on air, and this is what's going to happen, this is who's speaking, and this is what they're going to talk about. And my name was at the top of the list. I didn't know I was doing Countdown to Green for the Xfinity race. I didn't until like an hour before. and I about threw up. And so a second later, after I got over that nausea, I was like, no, no, no, no, this is a good thing.

It's a quick 20-minute countdown to green before Xfinity, and it'll give me a test run, you know, for tomorrow. So I don't go in tomorrow completely without any reps. So, man, when I watch TV before all this, before I actually started doing it, I never thought any of that was hard or looked at it like, oh, that must be difficult. or, man, I bet those guys are nervous or look how well they send it to commercial. You know, you don't think about those things. It just seems effortless. But when you get thrown into that position for the first time, you're like, ah! And so it was really scary.

Plus, you're sitting next to Brad Paisley's icon, right? And that makes you, I mean, I'm nervous around celebrities. I don't care what I've done in my own life, but I'm nervous around them. And so working with him was great. He was super into it. So that adds to the anxiety a little bit. But I think once you get that first, that introduction out of the way, because I had this thing that I had all these, you know,

where we're at, the town we're in, our proximity to Nashville downtown, the name of the race, the Ally 400, luckily it was a simple name, who my co-host is, as soon as you sort of get all that information out of the way, it's home, you know, then you're just, you know, then it's really more, nothing's scripted from that point on. So it was, I loved it. I don't know that I'll get to host anymore. If I do, I do.

I don't ask for it. They don't hardly, like I told you, they don't tell you when you're doing it sometimes until like the morning of the show. But I guess, you know, man, the funny thing is, is if this happened 10 years ago, I would have, I'd have jumped up out of here

and ran the other way without saying a word and you'd have never seen me again. But now I'm like allowing me. myself, I guess, to go into these uncomfortable places and just seeing what happens and sink or swim. Next question from Blake McCandless. After your big ir racing win in the prelims of the Firecracker 400, how do you feel about the whole thing? Maybe explain exactly what that is. Yeah, Blake, Blake is a great guy. Works with, I race with him on an eye racing a little bit. So thanks Blake for sending in your question. Parker Klingerman and Lannin Castle have an e-racer

sort of an e-sports for i-racing they have like a business where they they are the promoters for big racing events on i-racing and they have one coming up in the next couple of weeks called the firecracker 400 it is a big deal there's over 400 people that sign up they pay $25 a piece to sign up to try to race for 88 spots that will eventually try to qualify for the 40 spot starting grid so it's kind of like the $25 doesn't guarantee you a spot in the race. You got to sort of get whittled down to from 425 contestants to

40. Anyways, I made it into the top 88. So I think tomorrow is qualifying and we'll see who gets locked into the top 20 in first round qualifying. But it's a pretty fun thing that happens on our racing. Blake is part of the broadcast.

He's a pit road reporter for this. It's really cool. So he does a great job. Next question from Jordan Seamony, I hope I said that correctly, Jordan. Where would you rank Nashville Super Speedway amongst the current intermediate tracks after what you saw last weekend? So Eric Moses, the president at the track, NASCAR, man, I was blown away. I tried to articulate that the best way I could throughout the broadcast and on social media.

But I'll be honest, I was not too excited about NASCAR going to the Super Speedway. I you know judging what the races look like you know a decade ago and the difficulties with crowds and so forth and how far it was in proximity to downtown Nashville I was and you know I love the fairgrounds and you know everybody knows I'm trying to push to try to figure out how to how NASCAR can can return to the fairgrounds so I've been working real hard with that sort of message for years and I wasn't about this I wasn't into it didn't think it was going to be good the track was dormant and rough looking at and in bad shape. I had to apologize to Eric and his team because I wasn't supportive and I should have been. So we get to the racetrack and I'm driving into the tunnel.

It's amazing. Everything's got a fresh coat of paint on it. The grass is perfectly manicured. There's not anything out of place. There's not a tick of rust on a fence. There's nothing. It looks brand new, this whole racetrack. And so we're pulling into the tunnel.

The tunnel's massive. And I'm thinking, wow, this place looks amazing. We pull up in there into the bus lot. Everything's lined up smooth. Everything's just, everything's organized. This garage is here. This garage is here. All the roads looked great.

They'd repave the whole apron and pit road. They painted the walls. You know, I went into the media center. They had redone the entire interior and fixed and cleaned up everything. I mean, it took a ton of work to go to every space. interior exterior facility, grandstands, suites, the TV booth, everything got a remake. It was amazing, right?

So the place looked great. That was impressive enough. They were, whether by luck or just, you know, their own smarts or whatever, they put this resin down on the track because they were having trouble with the track taking rubber in the test. They actually had to come back and do two-tire tests

to make sure. sure that the tire was durable enough. This resin speeds up the ability of the track to take rubber. So this track was just taking rubber, taking rubber, and the groove widened way out in the Xfinity race. And it was great in the cup race too. And I'm like, holy, man, I mean, everything that needed to fall into place, everything that you hoped would happen, happened. You had an amazing place, giant crowd, traffic for miles. I mean, I know nobody loves sitting in traffic, but I mean, after everything we've been through in the last two years with declining numbers and pandemic, I mean, it was amazing to have some traffic.

It was, the track was great. The cars raced great. We had good drama in the race, a pretty fun, entertaining race. I couldn't believe it. So I am still absolutely 100% huge fan of figuring out a way for NASCAR to return to the fairgrounds. But it is, without a doubt, very possible. No problems. I see no hurdles for both of those two facilities to function in the same calendar year for NASCAR. No problem at all.

And so I think this Nashville Super Speedway jumped, leapfrogged several other racetracks in my mind in terms of where I'd want to go and see a race. Not only are you going to be able to see a great race with a wide racetrack, multiple grooves, passing opportunities and so forth, but you've got the town of Nashville just 28 miles away. to downtown Broadway, where you're going to have a blast on Thursday, Friday, and Saturday night. And so I think it's one of the best tickets now immediately. I mean, it just come out immediately becomes one of the best tickets on the circuit going forward. All right. One more question quickly from Brian Gash. Last week you talked about your barbecue grill.

What's your favorite thing to barbecue? Also, do you have a favorite barbecue place from when you traveled? Rendezvous, I think, in... Memphis is my favorite place to eat barbecue. They have this dry rub ribs. It's amazing. And every, from the first time I went in there, it's just a great atmosphere. They got great service.

It's a happy place. I've just always enjoyed it. I would get them to ship me ribs. You can get rendezvous to mail you their dry rub ribs. And I took that rub and used it on all kinds of other stuff too. But so rendezvous is probably one of my favorites. I'm sure there's others out there that I'm forgetting, because I've been to so many good barbecue places over the years.

My favorite thing to probably eat is ribs. I'm not great at cooking them, but my favorite thing to eat is ribs, and probably my favorite thing to cook is brisket because I feel like I do that better. When you're cooking barbecue and you know you're probably, you're not very good at ribs, you have a little anxiety, and it's a long process,

so you're like, oh, is this going to be good or not? But with brisket, I can relax and enjoy it because I feel pretty confident in the way I can do that. All right, that's it for today. So that's some great questions. And one of our network partners ought to look into Blake McAnlis as a pit reporter someday, going to do a truck race or something. All right, Ask Junior always goes by too fast, man.

I want to make a whole show of just Ask Junior. What do you think, Mike? Wow, that would be a lot of Ask Junior. It would be a lot of questions. Do you think you'd get more to that? I don't think so. Okay. Well, when we do our Ask Junior, it goes by fast, like Xfinity X-Fi.

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All right, it's last call. End of the show. Episode 345 is in the books. But before we go, the Dale Jr. download is on NBCSN Thursday at 5.30 p.m. Eastern time. The Jimmy Spencer episode. Get ready. As usual, door bumper clear guys have something to say. This is an emergency podcast alert from your friends at Door Bumper Clear.

What's up? I'm Freddie Craft. We want you to listen to our show right now. Brett Gryffin Air, we keep it real on the DBC. talking to everything that happened at Nashville, including angi driver comments during the race, more dominance from Hendrick Motorsports, Nashville traffic issues, and much, much more. Hey, this is TJM majors,

and we also have Sunday's honorary starter, Bernard Pollard Jr. stop by. Come listen to us on Doorbrook Clear right now, available wherever you get your podcast. Like right now. Man, they get a little hard on us on their show, Mike, every week. You know who they got hard on this week? Dillner.

Dillner. That's weird. Dillner. How do you feel about that, man? you got a response TGA and I will have a talk No no no

Do it now What's your official response No All right That's a bull I like TJ But that's okay It's okay

We know We know they're kind of like Our little brother And Just looking for attention Right All right Gifts are piling up

For the podcast Geez Here comes another one Oh Well y'all coordinated that well That was a That was We did not rehearse

Yeah, what gave it a way? What did we got here? What do we got? Matthew threw it, went right over Dale's head. Marion Cox? What? This is awesome. Let's see it.

It's from Mike Cox, Preacher's Kid, that you used to race against him. Oh, I got one. Yep. I got one too. Oh, yeah. Yeah, I caught mine. Yeah, it's pretty cool. It looks like a big old boat, Mike.

Never on Sunday. What a boat of a car. It's just opening up that wound. What? I'm trying to get the guy a free boat. Nobody sees that. Oh, he got himself. a free boat. I don't know, Mike. You might want to just relax and think about it for a little bit.

Thank you. Thank you. Thank you, man. I'm not saying he's right or you're right. Thank you. Okay. All right, we got some Lost Speedway information. Everybody's been asking about this, Mike. When is Lost Speedway's coming out? When is it coming out? When is it coming out? We're doing a lot of media for Lost Speedways this week. Promoting the excitement behind season two. Yeah, we're about a week away, aren't we? A little bit more than a week away. It comes out July 1 on Peacock.

So that is the launch date. July 1. That's, yeah. April 1. Next week. January 1. When are you coming to town? December 1.

Not first. I just thought that was funny. Was it? The crowd in your head is shine laughing. That is your own joke. You said that the other day. It makes my crowd laugh. It's a crowd in his head laughing.

He did. That's his new favorite thing. July 1, though, was when Peacock launches. That's for the real crowd. All right. So we got a special event for, is it, are we telling them? Are we telling them about that?

Is that a secret? If it was a secret, the secret just got out. No, we're going to do a little private. So this Thursday we have a private screening thing that we're doing. We just blew our cover. Leah, Leah, is, I'm going to do something wrong. No, this is awkward. But we're going to have a little.

all Speedways crew get together right beforehand. You and Amy are coming. Yes. Yeah. It would be fun. Can't wait. It's an exciting time. A lot of hard work went into that.

I'm going to tell you something. And this is not for the show, so I shouldn't bring it up. But boy, did I find out some good road stories about our crew yesterday. Things that you and I, they don't tell us. They don't tell us about this stuff. But, boy, our crew raises some hell. Well, we need to have a podcast about it. James Brossan back there came in.

I didn't ask him questions. Does he get the truth? My gosh. They're like a little reality show. going on on the road. Party hard. Maybe it's a whole other show. I know.

For dirty-mo media. Lost Speedways after dart. Cheap beer and conference rooms. That's a reality show that's not been done. A production crew moving and roaming around the world. Our production crew guys nicknamed our little gang of beer drinkers, lobby crushers. Do you guys count your beers? No.

I'd lose count. Do you count the calories in your beers? I definitely don't drink 55s, no offense. You should come on an overnighter like that with us and crush it. I think if I was having trouble losing weight, then I'd start counting them. I understood. You just invited Dale to an overnider. Do you know how much you and him would fight?

No, see, the problem is he and I are more alike than, this is my take on it, Dale, I could be completely off. We're more alike than we think. Yeah, y'all are nothing alike. We've never, I don't think we've ever sat down and actually drank together. So you're the kind of guy that, you know, would help your buddy maybe, I don't know, get a free boat. Are you the kind of buddy that would, you know, go in on something and then a week later change your mind? I feel like, hey man, I found a way for us not to spend any money.

Not to pay. I'd be like, did you see? Micah, I hope you got a close up of his face when I brought up the boat. He was like, I thought I had some good news. I thought I was sharing good news, man. That face is not say good news. If you drop out, Mike, you know, I know I'm not high on the friend list. Look, but I'll put my hat in the ring somewhere in there.

Okay, you know what? One day, one day here I'm good. Does Matthew have free reign with your free boat? No. Yeah. Be honest, buddy. No. No.

If you want to bar it, one weekend. Might as well test run it. Boy. See if you can. See if you can bring it back in one piece. There'll be some taco boxes and wrappers on that boat. And that'll be the last time he used it. There'll be a Bojangles box.

That'll be the last time. He borrowed the boat. Half-eaten sausage biscuit. No, not half-eaten. I was even, you know, when we were talking about, I even had this thing wrapped with dirty-mo media emblems and stuff. No, baloney. Well, me and, that's, I say that because in my head, in my head, me and Mike are partners, man.

Oh, are we? we were partners We were For a week we were Don't break up with them If you feel like I got dumped If you want to give me a little money

To make yourself feel better I got dumped You can give me 10 bucks Paper Caps And then maybe you'll be like All right Now I've invested We gotta worry about T.J

I'll have to break this news to him He's gonna be In my world Whatever You don't give two shouts about TJ And break him though you do not He's so fragile He's so fragile and humble

You were just talking about him damn last call. Break his heart. I was? I wouldn't do that. Honestly, the reason T.J. hates me right now is because he thinks I took that picture of him on purpose that it says Dick.

Don't pick on the sign above his head. Yeah, Leah. Leah, can we- Take my side or no sides at all? No, no, seriously. Be honest. Because I saw you shaking your head the whole time. She is shaking her head.

Yeah, I agree with Mike and like, if it's your boat and he takes it out and like, it's not my boat. Hold on, hold on, hold on. It's your boat. They're giving it to you. I'm borrowing it. He takes it out. Something happens.

Couldn't even be his fault. Then what happens? He gets to go home and not give a shit about it. Not worried about it. That's not. You think Mike's going to not give a shit about it? It's nobody's problem. We'll fix whatever the hell happened.

It's just not the way the world works. That's how I would be terrified. I would be terrified to take something out that's not mine. I've been living in that world for 46 years. It works perfectly. Yeah, but the real world is where people. I would be scared to take something that's not mine. You just have to trust me, Mike, that this is going to be fine.

No, Leah has voted. Oh, my gosh. And I hate to say it, but I do agree with her. No disrespect, Leah. But if anything, she's evened it out. This is not like a win for Mike. No, trust me. Mike doesn't feel like a winner.

Oh, yeah. You know, Mike does that. Matthew agreed with me and she agreed with you. It still's pretty split. I think there's middle ground between everybody. We have special guests in this studio from the Dale Jr. Foundation. And they don't know. We've met for the first time.

Stacey and Jeremy, which by the way, welcome. Boy, did we bring dirty laundry to this show. I apologize for that. Do you have an opinion? She's going to go to Dale. I can already tell. Stacey is going to go with Dale. She's going to go to Del.

What's your thoughts? Thank you. He's hard-headed. She said, take a free boat. He's very stubborn. Jeremy's agreeing. too. I wanted to be.

Anyone else want to give an opinion? Logan, thank you. Logan says she can't relax and enjoy it. Love that little perspective there. So everybody knows. Our special guest cited for Dale Jr. said they'd had no problem. Logan, who just, her stock went up a few points.

She's an intern for us this year. She just said she was very honest answer, said it would, she would never get to a comfortable place. You wouldn't be able to relax. See, that's where I can agree with both of you. Can you hear how he. But I can agree with both. of you. Can you hear how he polished her opinion

versus the opinions? Is that what you said? Oh no, no. He said. But I can agree with not being comfortable what she said. He's like, here was their opinion and then we got this really honest, amazing opinion. Yeah, yeah. Spoken eloquently. You know, grammar was

pristine. Just right on point. Delivered well. What about James? You always go to him. James is like the most level-headed person in here. James, come here, James, James Broseon. He's got the lip-knit. James, come here.

Mike, Mike. James, say it loud. This is true. James Brosein is the most honest person that I know and he will not sugarcoat anything. James, please. We got to be able to hear this. James, do it. I mean, I understand Mike's.

Thank you. Hey, if I. About the mooch. Yeah. It's in everyone's head. And it should be when people are using other people's property. Even if it was somebody using my property, you got, so there's like always this meter running, right? And it's

something, you don't know what that number is, but at some point it's like, are they ever going to give that thing thing back? Or they, you know, if they, whether it's somebody owes you money or whether somebody's, you know, taken, you know, borrowed your lawnmower, whether it's whatever it is, you know, there's comes a point when it's like, yeah, they,

they've, uh, they've forgotten who owns this thing. What if the person, what if I, like, I, like, I, no, you're not like that. So, does that might matter? That I know that you're, not a mooture. I know you're not going to just take off with the boat and never turn around

and come back. Yeah, but there's other people than just you. And I know, I understand what your response to this is going to be. But like, there's other, like Kelly and myself and, you know, Tony, everybody around us are like, you know, when people start formulating opinions and stuff like that, I will say this

and you don't know this. My wife had a lot of questions she wanted answered before we were to go in on this boat. So, like, I'm happy to talk to her. Maybe I don't need to now. I would be happy to. There's no point. I'm not saying that

if I need to, I said I would be happy to talk to her. Okay, great. I want to see what she thinks. About what? About the new development? She'll think you did me wrong. Really? I'd love to talk to her.

Twitter poll. Ah, geez. This was the longest last call we've ever had. No one's still listening. No. It's gone. They're gone.

Right. They're gone. This is just for us. Yep. All right. All right. Well, you all want to do next. Say goodbye, Dale.

Oh, that's it. Say bye-bye. All right, y'all. It's hard to say goodbye. We'll be back next week. He was in Nashville. It's a song. We'll see y'all next week.

Hope you guys enjoyed the show. And thank you, Jimmy Spencer. He gave us a lot of time. Usually our guests are in here for about an hour, hour, hour and 30 minutes. Jimmy doubled that. and we appreciate it. Check out Dirty Mo Media on YouTube, Twitter, Facebook, and Instagram.

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