The Dale Jr. Download - 483 - Becoming Earnhardt Vol. 9 - The Dust Settles On 1979

Episode Date: August 31, 2023

The dust has settled on the greatest NASCAR Cup season in history, and it’s time to recap all that we’ve learned about 1979. Dale Earnhardt Jr. invites some of the guests from BECOMING EARNHARDT f...or a roundtable discussion to recount all that we’ve learned and conclude some of our favorite character’s stories. Dale’s aunts Cathy Watkins and Kaye Snipes as well as Osterlund Racing crew member Doug Richert return as first-hand character witnesses who helped bring the story of 1979 to life.The chat once again sets the dial back to the beginning of 1979 and views Dale Earnhardt through the eyes of his family, as he’s getting ready to embark on the biggest opportunity in his young racing career. It also dissects complicated characters like Jake Elder and the team dynamic at Osterlund Racing. They dive into the significance of the NASCAR Cup Rookie of the Year in 1979 and just how close things got in the race between Dale and Joe Millikan. Finally, some new details are revealed about the severity of Dale’s injury at Pocono and his lengthy hospital stay and time out of the driver’s seatDraftKings State-Specific Problem Gambling Information:In Massachusetts, call (800) 327-5050 or visit gamblinghelplinema.org, In New York, call 877-8-HOPENY or text HOPENY (467369). In Tennessee and Kansas, Gambling Problem? Call 1-800-GAMBLER. On behalf of Boot Hill Casino & Resort (KS). In West Virginia, Gambling Problem? Call 1-800-GAMBLER or visit www.1800gambler.net. All games regulated by the West Virginia Lottery. Please play responsibly. In partnership with Hollywood Casino at Charles Town Races. In Connecticut, Help is available for problem gambling call 888-789-7777 or visit ccpg.org. Check out Dirty Mo Media on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@DirtyMoMedia  Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

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Starting point is 00:00:00 The following is a production of Dirty Mo Media. The sensational driver from Canapolis, North Carolina, Dale Earnhardt, and the Austerlin Racing Oldsville. Earnhardt continues to show the wave. You can't say enough about this young driver. He made the veterans sit up and take notice of his driving style. All right, so welcome to episode nine of Becoming Earnhardt, presented to you by Chevrolet. The first eight episodes of Becoming Earnhardt encompassed the story. season. And this is a roundtable and I have some guests with me today.
Starting point is 00:00:49 My aunt Kathy is here and my aunt Kay who actually helped make the scrapbook. How are you doing? I'm doing good. And y'all have been featured in the show. You've done some extra work for us to help sort of promote the series. But we'll talk about that. And also with us is crew member in 1979, Doug Reichert. Very good. Thanks, Dale. Yes, sir. Thanks for being here. I'm thankful that y'all are here, and I kind of have a lot of questions. But basically, when we started out the series, we explained how I get these two scrapbooks,
Starting point is 00:01:29 okay, and you made these, and back when the moment was happening, right, going through the 29th season. You make the scrapbooks, and they just literally just laid around. the house for under my bed for 40 years or whatever for years yes when you made them do you remember making them do you remember those yes i do i mean um i bought blue and yellow because that's the car bill was driving at the time the wrangler car and each week you know articles would be in the paper or either somebody would give me an article i'd cut them out and i did not wait i went ahead and placed them Where they go.
Starting point is 00:02:10 Yeah. So that's what I found. So any time I had anything, I put it in the scrapbook. Do you remember this, Kathy? Well, credentials, anything we had extra, we gave them to Kay. Gotcha. Because they're in there too. Yep.
Starting point is 00:02:22 Yep. She kept all credentials, tickets. I kept my own credentials and tickets, too. I mean, for the first year or two that we went to the race, we always got passes. Yeah. And we all kept everything, but mine's in a tote somewhere. they're not in a scrapbook. You know, they're still up in a tote up in the attic.
Starting point is 00:02:43 So this is dad's very first year full-time. Why did you want to make the book? Because we knew it was a big thing, hoping, you know, this was going to be his start to something wonderful. And it just seemed like the right thing to do, to document it and remember it. You know, you've got to realize that, we watched him sacrificing off a lot in the sportsman series and dirt tracking and following in daddy's footsteps
Starting point is 00:03:17 and giving up so much that when he finally got this break I mean I don't I can't speak for Kay she's the one that made this awesome scrapbooks but I know how we all felt as a family just watching him sacrifice and and try so hard you know try so hard to be something and make something of himself. So the great thing about the scrapbooks is really when you open it up and you start going through them, it's perfectly in order. You know, you did it just like you said. As the articles came out, they went in the book.
Starting point is 00:03:53 And so that's a good thing I did it that way or they would not have been. They would have been all over the place. It's a history book. Yeah. And that made it easy for me, really, to come. I had been talking to Mike for a couple of years about doing a show around a story. And so I had this article around the boycott of the Talladega race that happened in 69 or whenever that was. And I wanted to do a podcast around that story, you know, and really tell it in detail.
Starting point is 00:04:21 But this was a better idea, right? Obviously put right down in my lap that, you know, had this scrapbook. And I know about, I can look in, you know, a website or I can look in a magazine and find the finishing order and find the statistics. and but the scrap the scrap book had the quotes right from the articles it had dad's own words had other drivers and it really gave you the temperature of the moment and how funny it was how like at the start of the season dad's very I just want these guys to respect me I'm just trying to earn their respect I'm just trying to know they seem to be okay with me racing up there front they seen you know he's worried about the veterans right getting annoyed by him or whatever
Starting point is 00:05:06 You can hear his voice, can't you? You can. And then at the end of the year, he's like, we're going to win the championship. You know, he totally changed. He flipped from, he was now a veteran in like a matter of like nine months. He's like, oh, yeah, I got this, you know. We're here to kick some ass. Doug, when you're, I know you, I mean, how often do you really get a chance to think about those times?
Starting point is 00:05:31 How often do you allow yourself to go back and really, with the new, NASCAR's got that new NASCAR classics out so you can go watch these races. And I need to. I'll learn a lot. All of the stuff's right at your fingertips. How often do you ever dive in? I know on a few of these shows, it's like, you know, we always talk about, we were talking about it in the lobby, like somebody will say something and it just triggers.
Starting point is 00:05:52 Yeah. You know, and it's like, oh, God, yeah, let me tell you about that. You know, what happened? And, you know, just I learned so much just by listening. I mean, back then I was the kid. I was just a kid that left California with a beanbag. in a suitcase. And I came this way and I was like, we're going racing. I didn't know what racing was going to be. It's like elevate. What do I supposed to do? I just did it. Right. And we all
Starting point is 00:06:17 did it and learned together. It was kind of cool. I'm fascinated by how you were 20 years old and maybe even younger than that during the 79 year. I don't know exactly how old you were in February when they started. 19. Okay. So you're 19 years old. The team has some veteran members on it. older crew guys that have probably been in the series of the sport. They weren't all 19-year-olds from California. Jake Elder, you know, been in NASCAR forever. He knew all of them. He'd been in every ditch there was, right, to get through the sport.
Starting point is 00:06:54 How are you able to establish yourself in such a way at such a young age to be depended on, right? How did you acquire the... the respect and the comradey with the other guys and the team that allowed you to eventually in the 1980 season get the crew chief opportunity. So, I mean, it doesn't make sense. Like the numbers don't make sense. So how did it happen? I mean, I did leave awful early.
Starting point is 00:07:27 And actually, going back and looking or thinking about the 79th season, a birthday was in June. So at the start of the season, I was only 18. Oh. So that'll knock that down a notch. But it's like anything. And throughout my career, you have to earn your respect from the elders. In my case, I was the sponge. I was learning from Jake.
Starting point is 00:07:51 He's the one with all the experience. We started. First race was out in Ontario. We showed up. We didn't know what we were doing. But how do you learn? You do it. And that's all I did.
Starting point is 00:08:01 I worked alongside of Jake. and we were hand in hand, the good and the bad, you know, the temperament. He had his temperament, so do I. But I tried to be, I'm probably more of an outgoing guy than Jake was. I was probably happy-go-lucky, and he was serious. He was, that was racing, that was his life. But I learned a lot, and I just took it all in. Early in the scrapbook, I'm reading an article right out of Atlanta.
Starting point is 00:08:29 Atlanta's the first race with Jake. It's like the fourth race of the year, whatever. Jake has a quote during the post race, right? So you all have this good run. And I was trying to figure out a way to talk about his temperament. Talk about it's their fifth race of the year. And so I was trying to have a way to discuss Jake and share with people what he was about. And he had these during the race or after the race, he goes, he kept.
Starting point is 00:09:03 calling dad the boy. They're asking him about, you know, they're asking Jake about dad, and he's like, well, the boy listens to me. I stick with, you know, the boy, the boy's got talent. The boy listens to what I tell him, the boy, and he never would call dad by his name. And so we will one day, you know, when we do the next episode, reveal, when we do the next series in 1980, we're going to reveal really how they felt, you know, Jake falls apart. easily get into his temperament during that conversation. But before then, in 79, you know, he does
Starting point is 00:09:39 come in and he's like, you know, he's, he's, he's like, I've seen it and done it. Just do what I tell you, and we'll be fine, right? Exactly. And he, um, but he seemed like, you know, there's these moments during the, during the season where like dad's racing at Charlotte for the 600. And he's like, well, I'm telling him to slow down. He's talking to the media. He's talking to Ned Jared on pit road. He's like, Dale's overdriving the car. He's running the car too hard. Well, tell him to slow down. I tried to tell him to slow down. He don't,
Starting point is 00:10:11 he, you know. Wasn't in his blood. They were, there was this weird thing where I felt like Jake would, Jake wanted things just to prove he, just to prove and show
Starting point is 00:10:25 that he had the control. Is that really kind of how it was? Because like, you know, he would, you know, if he said, hey, Dale, I think if you slow down, you know, we'll save a little race car for the end of the race. And plus, you know, the new payment in three and four guys are having some problems. You know, they could have had a conversation or whatever. But he would get frustrated when dad wouldn't just do what he said without context, right?
Starting point is 00:10:56 Slow down. Why? Right. And then when he didn't do it, Jake would get frustrated. and like because he every he was just used to everybody to listen to every word he said to do right was that kind of was that kind of true was Jake um was Jake that you know was that the way the relationship was with dad and Jake yeah because he he's the one that had all the experience yeah you know and it's it's hard to beat experience that's that's why we do it so long and the better we go that we have something for the next team yeah well he had something for us we needed that I didn't know I other guys on the team that came you know Dave and and Jeff Prescott and those guys that came out with us. Yeah. We didn't know what we needed.
Starting point is 00:11:41 He did. He's been there. Like when he told us to pick a spring, right? He'd go over and pick a spring and he'd squat on it. He'd put that spring between his legs and kneel down and go, yep, this is the one. It didn't matter what it was. You don't matter what it is. This is the one.
Starting point is 00:12:01 Put it in the car. Oh, yeah. That was me. I was the doer. Yeah. So when dad didn't listen, which he didn't listen at times, especially on the racetrack, Jake liked to be able to, you know, remote control the driver. All right, time to push.
Starting point is 00:12:17 All right, don't push right now. Okay, back it down a little bit. And all the other drivers like Kale and Benny and they all knew when to go and not go. You know, none of them went out there and just ran hard as they, hard as they could like dad tended to do. Did you see Jake get frustrated at times with dad? Oh yeah. Oh yeah. Stay in it, standing there with him, of course, you know, even though he might not say something on the radio, but we could see his body language. He might not have heard it. Yeah. But yeah. And so did they, did Jake and him have conversations at the end of these races about it? Sometimes, sometimes they'd have
Starting point is 00:12:57 it during the race. I have to bring this up because it's a beautiful quote. and I think it was at Charlotte and Dale kept saying, car's pushing, the car's pushing. I can't get off of four. The car's too tight, too tight. He said, Dale, listen to me. He said, I can do a lot of things, but I can't stop the wind from blowing at turn four.
Starting point is 00:13:21 That's why your car won't turn. Yeah. He knew it. Yeah. And it was just to hear stuff like that, you know, it's like, okay, I got it. Drive through it. Right.
Starting point is 00:13:33 I think, you know, Jake was great for the team. You guys, that was like the only part of the whole team that was really missing was like that crew chief. Roland was doing some of that stuff at the start of the year, I suppose. We talk about Dave Marcus quitting because of the, you know, the team going to two cars and how that was kind of taboo. Back then, drivers didn't like the idea of having a teammate. And then Dewey Live and Good was fired, which I guess pissed off Dave Marcus a little bit too. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:14:07 But while all that's happening, Dave buys a couple cars from Osterman to race the 79 season. So the cars, I mean, even though there was a fallout and disagreement. Still liked them. Still liked them enough to buy and sell some cars back and forth and wheel and deal. He'd call, I guess Dave had to call him up and go, man, you won't sell a car to. Dave just really didn't realize that that was the model. in an upcoming model. Why didn't you want to learn from someone else?
Starting point is 00:14:34 They always say you don't want to be on an island by yourself. Having a teammate to roll stuff off that runs the same car, why wouldn't you? That's what we do now. Yeah. One of the frustrating things about this whole series was when we get to the Bristol race. So there's a lot of information that we learned that existed and a lot of audio. of all these races. And so, you know, we know MRN today, right?
Starting point is 00:15:04 And we think MRN did everything forever. But there was another publication, or there was another, there was another entity or property. It was, what was it called, the U.R or something? There was another group that was broadcasting a lot of the races in the southeast, and all of that, all of that material is now at App State in the archives. And so we were able to get a hold of a lot of these races in the 79 season that the broadcast radio rights to it. And so unfortunately, there's not a lot of video of the Bristol win.
Starting point is 00:15:49 There's this very short, like sort of five-minute reel of dad going around, crossing the finish line, a couple laps at the end of the race. and in one little clip of that dad ramps up the wall and I'm thinking I want to think that this is like in the last handful of laps when he's trying to run away from Darrell do you remember
Starting point is 00:16:12 where he climbed the wall of some coming out was it out of four? I do remember that now you see now you triggered something. I triggered that. Right. Was that late in the race? Oh yeah.
Starting point is 00:16:22 Damn near wrecked. He didn't win. Took himself out. Right? But that's, see, that's what Jake could always envision. Man, boy, don't run so hard. Right, right? You're leading.
Starting point is 00:16:35 Savor it. Well, no. That wasn't Dale's model. Yeah. You know? That wasn't in his DNA. No. Yeah, I was watching that clip and I'm like, damn, it looks like he climbs the wall right
Starting point is 00:16:48 there. That's so wild. And then those cars were tough enough to handle that. Oh, gosh. They were tanks. Right. So a great story that came out of the show is you tearing up your cigarettes and not smoking anymore. Your 19, 18, 19 years old smoking cigarettes like any kid was at that time.
Starting point is 00:17:10 Winston's. Told your boy, you told the crew, you said, if we win, I'll quit. And right there in the middle of Victor Lane, you tore up your cigarettes and you never smoked since. And to this day, from that day and that time, I have not had a. cigarette period. Another thing that I thought was interesting is right in Victory Lane is where the car got teched. Like there's pictures of the roof, the hood
Starting point is 00:17:31 up, the car, the engine getting gone through. They didn't even pull it out of Victor Lane. They just put it up on four stands. You just brought your stuff. Did the tech right there in Victory Lane. Yep. That's hilarious. Where were y'all at when Dad wins Bristol? I was in the infield. You were there. I was there. I was not.
Starting point is 00:17:48 So there's some pictures that I have with you and Danny and it's from that race so you were there you were not where were you at? I was at home did you want to be there?
Starting point is 00:18:01 Well, of course Well you certainly didn't know dad's going to win No I had a husband and kids and things just preventing me going So how do you learn that dad wins the race? You listen to on the radio?
Starting point is 00:18:13 Well, if it was on the radio I was listening or if it was on TV I was trying to remember how many races were. Not on TV. So yes, definitely probably 103.7. Yeah, okay. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:18:24 And so you're there. I was there. I had Shelley and Stacy with me. You had the girls, would you? We tell gated and Kelly and y'all were there. I was not there. Y'all were in the infill. In 1979?
Starting point is 00:18:38 No. No. Yeah. All the kids, it seemed like all y'all were there. Yeah. No, I wasn't. I mean, there's no photos of me there, and I don't remember being there. Well, I just know that there was.
Starting point is 00:18:49 a bunch of kids and we were all in charge of the kids in the infield. Mom was there and we had pictures. We made pictures with Daryl Walter up and Tim Richmond and we had food out. Where are all these photos? At my house. Kelly's probably got a copy of them somewhere. I'll pull them out and get them to you. But, yeah, mother got to go to Victory Lane.
Starting point is 00:19:11 Dale didn't let us come up to Victory Lane until after the tech and all that was over. Then we got to give him a kiss and a hug. but yeah it was you know it was just a dream come true it was just so awesome to see him up there and just one of heart you want a heart was so full for him yeah you know do you remember um one of the pictures that's in his album our shared album of his trophy and i'm standing beside of him with curly hair he brought the trophy to the daycare and showed it all the kids and we there's another picture with all the kids around him that he brought it up there to show us in canapolis in cana you you were you were working at the daycare yeah and that I was
Starting point is 00:20:01 I went to that daycare um and so he brings the trophy to the daycare he brought it to the daycare there was another thing that he did later in the year was like at the jackson school what's the school around there the Jackson park Jackson Park he went to Jackson Park there was like a delin heart day at the second Charlotte race in October, and he was doing appearances was like a brand new thing for him, I imagine. Doing anything where he's being kind of recognized had to have been like a complete 180 from where he was
Starting point is 00:20:35 just 12 months before that, right? He did an autograph session in downtown at a dealership that year as well, and he had quite a line, but it wasn't anything like later. as he got more popular. He didn't get a chance to go to Disneyland or anything like after his win. No. So do you remember what y'all did?
Starting point is 00:20:56 I guess you drove home? Drove on home. In the articles it says that him and Jake were in the car together on the way home just laughing like kids. Could have been. Yeah. I think we actually called it the Bozo Bus.
Starting point is 00:21:10 Oh. It was a van that we all rode. It was yellow and blue and all that. That's what we wrote. That was our bus. Yeah. Driving to every race. Oh, yeah.
Starting point is 00:21:22 That was before we unheard of airplanes or private planes, right? You might have flew to Ontario otherwise. Yeah, those. Yeah. But everything else, you were in the car. Yeah. Dan. I know it happened because the cars got there,
Starting point is 00:21:37 but it always kind of surprised me that the teams could get to Riverside and Ontario and go out there and race like hell and get everything done and get back home. And it just seems like the sport was so small back then. I don't know how they traveled all over the country like that. Commercial. But as far as the cars go, even then, we had to have other cars, right? We couldn't go out with one car. So we had spared.
Starting point is 00:22:05 At the time, we were building our own stuff. And I think we were kind of ahead of the time in that era too. So we had spares. We had them ready. Had to come back, turn the trucks around, just like you do now. Oh, and Dale to get back to Bristol and the celebration that we had
Starting point is 00:22:22 in Canapolis in the shop. Yeah. I think in one of the previous episodes we talked about Dale and Mike bought a got a bottle of champagne and he kept in the refrigerator at the shop and we all gathered there
Starting point is 00:22:38 and I brought you cups. Those are the cups? Those are the cups that Connie put in her China cabinet So I guess they're 50 years old or right there at it and wanted to give those to you. There's a picture with Dad sitting there on the go-car with one of the cups next to him. Yeah. So let me ask you about that.
Starting point is 00:23:02 Are you there? All right. So I got the pictures, have seen those pictures on my life, really didn't know zero context about them until, you know, get a little bit older. And then obviously doing this little series, they definitely come into focus. and what was happening. But so he has this bottle of champagne. He says he's going to crack the bottle open when he wins his first race. Does he, you know, is this the night after the race?
Starting point is 00:23:27 No, it was a few weeks. A few weeks later? It wasn't. It wasn't the night after. It was only a few days. It was at least a week or so. It wasn't the night. It wasn't that week.
Starting point is 00:23:41 I don't remember it being that far out. It wasn't that far out, but it wasn't that week because he was really busy. Did he call, did he call y'all and say, hey, everybody come over? We all knew he was coming. So we all, all five of us were there. He said, come to the shop. Well, it was me and Mike and all five kids. All five brothers and sisters were there.
Starting point is 00:24:04 I don't think Terry, Randy's wife came. I know that Sherry and Danny's wife came. My husband was there either. And Mama. I see Teresa in the picture. Teresa was there. Mamma. Mother and Connie Goodman and her husband.
Starting point is 00:24:18 Of course, Connie's one that made the pictures. He actually said, call Connie and ask her to come make pictures. And I did. And so this is Ralph's shop. Shop dad, been racing out of next to Mamaw's house and running his little sportsman car. And so it looks dark. It looks late.
Starting point is 00:24:36 Yep. It was at nighttime. Yep. Y'all eat? Nope. Nope. He just walked in, y'all cracked the bottles. Well, we all just.
Starting point is 00:24:44 Had the trophy out there? I swear, I really think it was like the next night or something. There was a pool table. It was not weeks out, I don't think. It wasn't weeks, but I don't believe it was that night. I mean, the race was Sunday, so it may have been Tuesday, Wednesday. I think it was that night. Well, right.
Starting point is 00:25:03 Either way, I mean, it still happened. But anyway. Connie said she wished she'd have dated the cups and had him sign on them. It would have been cool. So there's a pool table sitting there. I don't remember a pool tail being in that show. It's always been there. It was always there.
Starting point is 00:25:15 And that refrigerator was dad's refrigerator that sun drops were kept in as long as I remember. And so y'all drink the champagne, then what? I think we just hung out a while and then went on. He got on that go-cart and laughed about daddy building it and riding on it and how Danny got on it and went up in the hedges when he rode at that time. Because there was a little track out there on the side lot beside the house. and Danny couldn't get it to stop and ended up in the hedges but yeah just goofed around yeah that's the same go-cart that Kelly and I got on you do that thing I
Starting point is 00:25:58 wonder where it's at today it's somewhere no idea it's got to be somewhere did you end up in the hedges I ended up driving up a guide wire on a telephone pole but yeah they said they said to mash it wide open and I'm Yeah. I mashed it wide open. Speedway. And it just was going wherever it was going. It's out of control.
Starting point is 00:26:19 We need to investigate that. Find out where it is. Well, yeah, it's hiding somewhere. I mean, not nowhere. I don't think it's anywhere where we're going to find it, but that thing was bit like a tank. There's no way it's not still in. He may know where it's up.
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Starting point is 00:27:54 we saw it your same the 1981 is still in the original book yeah right now but um yeah I wanted it to last another 40 years so one of the characters that's kind of prominent in this whole thing is Joe Milliken and so I've watched a lot of old races and I remember you know in my mind Joe Milliken you know raced you know he worked for the petties and the petties let him take a dodge to Daytona and he'd go run to Daytona Raca race or the Daytona Sportsman race in the 70s and do well you know outside of that I didn't really know much about the guy I knew everything about his cup career right but before that just the only thing I knew was those races he ran reading and learning about this you know in this
Starting point is 00:28:41 document I realized that he raised short tracks at careway and had a lot of little local short track background, more of a foundation in driving and racing than I expected or new. He gets the opportunity to race the DeWitt car. My perception of that team is it's not a really strong team. A lot of people have left that team after 78 when Benny left to go with MC Anderson, the team got, didn't get better, right? They lost the engine builder and a crew chief and a driver. And so, and the, the only, the only, the only, the only.
Starting point is 00:29:16 owner, LG DeWitt, is sort of now, you know, sort of backing out of the sport in a way and not quite 100% dedicated or sure about his ownership of a car. He's got the racetracks, Rockingham, and a couple of speedways he's got to take care of. And the one thing I will say about that car is, you know, Benny Parsons wins the championship in 73 and every year after that, that car was probably the most dependable car in the circuit. You know, it didn't run as strong as junior's cars and the Wood Brothers, but he outlasted a lot of them most often, and they always got really, really good results, and that's actually how they win the championship in 73 was just they never broke.
Starting point is 00:30:04 And this was basically the story of Milliken. You know, he would run fifth, tenth, every week. You know, when dad was in the races, dad could, you know, usually outrun. run him or show more speed, but if dad didn't crash or break his collarbones and miss races and all those things, you know, Joe Milliken was always going to run in the top 10 or somewhere around there. As this season's going, dad talks about it in the articles that the rookie of the year is important to him.
Starting point is 00:30:38 Does the team care about the rookie of the year? Are you getting the idea that it's important to dad? Is that something that y'all are working toward every week? Are you watching it in the Winston Cup scene or the Grand National scene? Are you looking at the score? Yeah, every week. Yeah. I mean, when you think back to 78, the only reason we ran only five races in 78 was so he was still eligible for rookie the year in 79.
Starting point is 00:31:05 And, you know, that was always big. That was always everybody's focus, you know, for the longest time. Yeah, of ovies. And so when the season begins, do y'all handicap, like, you know, you got Gant, Labani? I mean, I don't know if you took Gant seriously or took Labani seriously, because we don't know Terry Labani that we, you know, we're looking at this through a different lens, right? Right now we're looking at through 2024 lens. Terry Labani's a two-time champion and damn Hall of Famer.
Starting point is 00:31:36 But in 1979, he's some guy from Texas. Just another car. another car right you have no clue that he's going to have any any kind of the career that he ends up having but i guess the one car that you do know about and you do have a history with and understanding with is the 72 maybe not you specifically because you're so young and coming into this whole deal but the season gets going 10 12 races into the year milican's hanging around um did y'all and dad them seem to get along okay did y'all um were there any unique moments i guess with the Millican team that stand out
Starting point is 00:32:12 or any kind of memories of that battle between y'all too throughout the year? No, I don't think it was a very bad battle. I mean, I don't remember anything, any fights or any confrontations. You know, it was a little different back in. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:32:28 You know, we were all new, so we're not going to go start a fight. Yeah. But, you know, he was competitive, though. We all realized that, and if we had to make sure we did our jobs right, you know, I was a tire changer. and, you know, had to go through the motions and we had to do our stuff right.
Starting point is 00:32:43 Otherwise, we could lose it just as easy as he could make a mistake on the track. Right. Yeah. That was, you know, I've got this giant scrapbook of photos, and I've sort of divided them all down to where they go, all right, and I have one specific collection of all 7,980.
Starting point is 00:33:09 and for the longest time I couldn't tell you which one would be 80 and which you know if you pulled a picture out of there and said all right is this 80 or 79 it'd take me a few minutes to really look into the details of it and go yeah I think that you know that that that must be this race right but most of them are one or the other and I couldn't tell you the between them now after doing this I can tell you know I can look at a picture of a car on the racetrack dad's car and say yep that's rocking ham second race yep that's that's riverside where the fender fell off or you know um Nashville where he tore it off inside the truck right so um I I uh I as I'm reading you know as I'm learning all this I will say um you know sometimes dad got swept up in some stuff
Starting point is 00:34:02 that was none of his doing the Rockingham race like the second race like the second race race after Daytona where the kale and Donnie get in another wreck and they spin in front of the field and dad T-Bones Donnie and everybody gets wrecked right. Richard's mad, Daryl's mad, everybody's out of the race and tore up. There was some races like that in the season where dad just kind of found himself in the wrong place, the wrong time, but there were some other races where he just was hard on equipment. Like Martinsville? Yeah.
Starting point is 00:34:35 Yeah. Hitting the curb, you're taking out half the field. Yeah, three wide on Richard Petty, the king. At the start. At the start. In the term one. You've got those pictures. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:34:45 And so, you know, I, there's, it's just funny to me because, again, looking at it, looking at it, we don't ever, we don't ever talk about dad being flawed because in our eyes, he was this crazy seven-time champion that was great at everything and just incredible. but in 1979 dude was flawed he made so he made mistakes right almost every race there was a moment where he screwed up something or did something he shouldn't have done stuff he couldn't do five or ten years later down the road but 79s is rookie year you know he's going to do his rookie things um it when he you know when he gets out of the car after a martinsville for example right um he teabones in turn one and crashes a bunch of cars out.
Starting point is 00:35:39 And I'm surprised, like, Harry Gant gets out and goes, yeah, Dale turned Richard and this and that and happen. He's not even that mad about it. He should be really mad. He should be furious. Yeah, he should be furious at Dad. They said that Richard got out of the car at the end of the race and stuck his finger in Dad's chest and was like,
Starting point is 00:35:56 don't you ever do that again? You better than that, right? Do you remember those moments when Dad gets out of the car after a race where he might have not made everybody happy? He might not have made everybody happy, but he also might have, you know, he made mistakes, right? Does he get out and there's pictures of him, right?
Starting point is 00:36:14 Sulking or head hanging, head hanging sitting at the bag of the hauler. Like, damn, that didn't go well, you know. Do you remember those moments? Well, yeah, of course. We, us as a group, we're all a team, you know, we're afraid of what's going to happen, right? We know these guys are going to be mad. they're not happy
Starting point is 00:36:35 I mean you can't make everybody happy but also I think people understood that because he was a rookie yeah that's what rookies do you learn and if he did it two or three more times
Starting point is 00:36:48 like someone in the past years that did a whole pattern of wrecking people and then you know then you get that oh my gosh you know is he ever going to learn yeah but he learned
Starting point is 00:37:01 we all learn yeah when he's going I guess for the sisters as he's going through this year and he's making you know you're wanting this to work you're wanting this to you want dad to have the success
Starting point is 00:37:14 and this be his career and these races obviously you're not able to watch races on TV like we are today so you can't see detail right you just hear what the radio tells you and so you know but is
Starting point is 00:37:30 there's there's some he obviously would go into 1980 and he wins a championship, but 1979 was rookie of the year champion, but he also, you know, had a lot of struggles, not, you know, even aside from the injury. You know, are you guys, you know, do y'all get a chance to be around that or spend much time around him during that year
Starting point is 00:37:56 and get his sort of... Not a lot, but I know. of all, I'm an Earnhardt, this is hard, but Kay was right. The toast was Monday night after the Sunday race. There you go. I figured it was. It was. That's so hard because I was wrong. She was right. Well, I knew it wouldn't have been weeks. I just in my mind. She gave him her pictures and I asked her. In my mind, I knew it was right after at some point. Anyway, what was, do y'all remember what dad's temperament was when you were, so y'all are around him in little chunks? right you're gone they'll be yeah there'll be a month where you won't see him and then bam
Starting point is 00:38:37 here together honestly Dale invited Mike and I he and when he was hurt Dale invited Mike and I over to dinner Teresa's apartment and he had his brace on you know he was upbeat I mean Dale was always bigger than life even when you know he never thought he would fail Dale always was a winner in his mind and his actions and his person personality. You know, he came at Thanksgiving. You always brought you all on Christmas. I mean, we were just a family then. We really never talked racing. If he talked racing, it was with the men, if they walked out of the house or in the shop or something. But when he was around family, he was always upbeat. He never, ever really showed the pressure. Well, I know, and this has to be
Starting point is 00:39:29 when he was hurt, too. He had the lake house, didn't he? We all went out there. Because we were all up there and all the kids laying on the dock. There was a picture of them laying on the dock. Yes. He invited us all up as a family. So that was one thing I learned. Just here and there. That was a neat thing that I learned.
Starting point is 00:39:45 So in one of the articles that he writes, I'm assuming, I'm just assuming, right? I don't know that he's writing this article with Whitlock. I have no idea. He has to, he's not writing it by himself. So he's doing, somebody says, hey, yeah, somebody has says, hey, you should do these bimonthly articles. And he's like, all right. So it must have been with him.
Starting point is 00:40:03 it like and so he um talks about in one of those um articles while he was broke while he's out with the you know six weeks with the collarbone issue he moves into the house so you remember him being over at treese's apartment in charlotte with the collar bowl he had the house so like literally a week or two later he's got the house and so um which is still and they still own it it's down there in Morrisville. And that's the house we ended up moving in in 81, 82. And I remember in 1981, this old YouTube video, you can find it on YouTube, one tough customer where you're pulling dad on a tube on the lake out from that house.
Starting point is 00:40:48 He would have gatherings with the crew after the lake. All the time. Even after the races. Yeah. And so being able to really get timeline of things, right, here. and dad, well, I knew he bought the house, but I didn't know when, and I damn sure hadn't heard a word about his feelings on it. And so when he's talking in the article, it's like, man, I love it. It smells great. It's new. It's awesome. I love this house. I got a lot of things. Well, I never do that
Starting point is 00:41:12 either. Right. Because he never talked about it. Right. But, you know, he brought Rod Austerlund mother, we cooked a meal at Mother's House, and Rod, they brought Rod for dinner up there. Really? In 79 that first year. Wow. And, you know, you think about some, with Rod's kind of money and prestige that would be able to own a race team. You know, again, we're just from small town Canapas and never been anywhere or in that kind of, in that kind of world. Yeah. That you would expect him to be different, but Rod walks in the house and blue jeans and
Starting point is 00:41:52 a regular shirt and, you know, talks just like a regular person, fit in, ate mashed potatoes with the rest of us and was just a wonderful man. We just had the best time that night. I have a picture of that night as well. Yeah, well, that's one of the people. That's one of the characters that we really didn't get to hear from. And he played such a prominent role in this whole thing. So he did seem very calm and quiet and, you know, well-spoken.
Starting point is 00:42:20 What was Rod like for a boss? You know, we didn't really, I mean, let me try. to remember right my boss was more rolling yeah you know rolling rolling had to answer to rod but most of my dealings was was with rolling all the time but when rod came around i mean you know we all met rod because his daughter went to high school with us yeah you know so was he's kind of started knowing each other even when we were out there yeah way before the racing yeah and then with with uh rolling working for Rod and some of his projects, and then us running at San Jose Speedway,
Starting point is 00:43:04 knowing Lana, the daughter. And then finally when they start talking about merging, well, we merged with it. You know, it's just kind of a fit, right? I remember traveling in the motorhome with him down to Daytona one time and different things. It wasn't my motorhome. It was his, but stuff like that.
Starting point is 00:43:24 He was a good guy. He seemed like it. I mean, he gave. me my start but one thing i don't think any of us really thought about because it wasn't our world was he was a businessman and had to make those kind of decisions yeah as a businessman and so that affects a lot of people's world as we all know from history the part we don't always understand the part we never understand yeah hey everybody dale junior here let's take a minute to talk about Chevrolet. As you know, the Earnhardt family is a Chevy family. I own a Chevrolet dealership
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Starting point is 00:45:20 experience learning about that and wondering if dad was okay and learning that he's okay and he's got these injuries. So all my life I thought you know he wrecks at Pocono and breaks two collar bones
Starting point is 00:45:37 right digging into the articles and reading all about other things it's more than that he broke he hurt his jaw he was you know eating foods
Starting point is 00:45:48 through intravenously for a week or something these are in these articles right there was the helmet was scuffed and that he was dealing
Starting point is 00:46:00 with a concussion that they kept him in the hospital for a week. It took him a whole week before they released him from the Pennsylvania Hospital. So the injury in the crash was a whole lot more significant. He may have been there a few days, but I know Mother and Randy went to Pennsylvania and he checked himself out.
Starting point is 00:46:22 That part two doesn't make any sense to me. Before they got home. Why would y'all... Before they got there. My first reaction to that is, Did they not call Dad and say we're coming up there? We didn't have cell phones for one thing. Well, you had a rotary.
Starting point is 00:46:38 True. All I know his mother was hell been on going. Randy said, if you want to go, I'll take you. They went. So they drive up there, and then while they're driving up there, dad's checking himself out and flew home. And got on a commercial plane. And that may have been a few days.
Starting point is 00:46:51 It could have been a week. It was a week. I just remember that hearing about how horrendous pain he was in on an airplane, a commercial plane flying home. Yeah. But he was hell-bent on coming home. Yeah. Well, they checked him out, and he goes home.
Starting point is 00:47:09 And so, you know, there's a lot of articles that really detail the car, the damage to the car, the helmet, the wind of net was busted, and dad's own injuries and doctors and all these things. And there was a hole in the net. Yeah, where it scraped the wall, right? Where it scraped the wall. Yeah, where the helmet and the wall, the whole. Yeah. So it must have been this really very brief, like, bam, bam, quick. Like, I mean, obviously, if he crashes and he makes contact with his helmet to the wall, in most cases, that's going to be a near fatal injury, right?
Starting point is 00:47:44 I mean, that's a bad deal. But it must have been this very, very brief contact with the wall that his helmet makes. And when I've actually got some pictures of the car, sliding down the racetrack after it made contact with the wall, I'd never seen a picture of the car post the crash. It's not up close. It's blurry. It's bad.
Starting point is 00:48:07 There's no pictures of a car in the garage after the race. There's no way to look at this thing. There's no way to really know like, okay, what hit first, how did it hit, where did it hit? You hear it's driver's side. You know, you're just piecing together a very, very limited piece of information. If I remember right, it was really from going into the corner, Pocono is fairly flat. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:48:28 And it was back at the tunnel. That's a tunnel turn, which is flat, and he went in and got loose, and it just slapped the wall driver's side. Right. And at that time, technology, I mean, you know, he had those van seats in the car. No side. No side. No head support, nothing.
Starting point is 00:48:49 Nothing on the left side of the seat. Nothing. Yeah, so you slide right out. Never anticipated hitting the wall on the left side. No. All right. You thought you were always going to hit with the right. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:48:59 So looking at this image of the car after it's made contact with the wall, there's very little damage. The back's, you know, the back is fine. The deck lid's good. There's no wrinkle been there. The hood's fine. There's no big bend or wrinkle in the hood. The front's not knocked over. It must have been just a real flat pop.
Starting point is 00:49:19 And what's, I can't understand is how do you break your collar bones? I mean, he must have had them down. things so damn tight. I know he was pretty bad about tightening his seatbelts up to a ridiculous amount. I think the biggest thing of what happened in that case was there was no support on the left and he just was able to move so much further. Yeah. Well, your neck's going to stretch. That was before neck restraints and headrests. And all he had was his bubble goggles and his helmet. Yeah. Right. Well, that weight of that helmet just wink, snap. Yeah. And the sad part for us was, you know, it rained it out. So they had it on Monday. I was, I was.
Starting point is 00:49:55 was on my way home from work, listening on the radio, went to commercial, came back from commercial, and he had wrecked. Yeah. They don't tell you how bad it is. No. Well, they can't. They don't even know. And I think part of the thing with Mother was she couldn't get any information.
Starting point is 00:50:15 Every time she'd ask, well, how's Del? You know, you'd call, oh, he's fine. He's fine. Oh, he's fine. And after a day or two, maybe of that, she thought, I'm tired of this crowd. I wonder he never like how he doesn't get on the phone from wherever he's at that part I do so weird you know that no I mean I mean if I'm dad world yeah I don't if I'm dad and I'm sitting in a hotel room for at least at the minimum three days I mean by if we go by the articles in the hospital
Starting point is 00:50:46 room I'm just saying if we go by the if we go by the articles in multiple instances it tells us he was in this hospital for a week. If I'm sitting in there in the hospital room, I'm calling somebody at some point, right? Yeah. And you know, Teresa knows where he's at. She's right there. She's sitting right there.
Starting point is 00:51:05 Right. Answering the phone. Yeah. But I mean, she can call people. Surely there's somebody got a call. Someone had to be communicating. I know. I don't understand how Mammao and Randy drive all the way up there
Starting point is 00:51:18 and Dad doesn't know they're coming. And Dad, you know, in advance. He inadvertently leaves because he gets checked out and goes home. And Mrs. and Dad and Randy and Mom, I'll get up there and they're like, where's he that? Come on, let's go. He's gone. Oh, he's gone. That's strange to say.
Starting point is 00:51:34 And there's nobody else that can really verify that. That's a comical part of the whole thing, I guess. Anybody that knows Dale would have forced or something. Yeah, soon as they give him. Oh, yeah. As soon as they crack the door, he's leaving. Which says a lot about the entries because he was there as long as he was, right? You know he's going to leave at the first opportunity.
Starting point is 00:51:53 He had to be feeling it. Yeah, he must have. He comes back, and one of my favorite things to talk about in old racing, I don't know if the drivers are, I don't know if the young drivers today are as wowed by this as I think they are, but one of my favorite things to talk about is the relief driver situation back in the 70s and 80s. Pretty much every damn week somebody got some relief. And as we'll learn in these articles, sometimes the drivers get back in. Richard Petty would get out for 100 laps and then climb back in, right?
Starting point is 00:52:26 All right, I feel better. And so we go to Richmond. Dad sits on the pole. First race back. And Lenny Pond falls out of the race. They put Lenny Pond in the car. You guys did. Great idea because Lenny Pond and Richmond are, that's like his best track.
Starting point is 00:52:43 He goes out there and finishes top five, scores some rookie points for dad. Then you go to Dover, which is probably not a great track with broken collar bones or collar bones that are healing. And I called Bill Elliott. And I said, hey, I said, you relief drove for Dad at Dover. And I was like, you know, you're not on the entry blank. You didn't race.
Starting point is 00:53:08 You didn't qualify. How did you get there? Why were you there? I know he raised some races for Roger Hamby in the 17. Roger was in the race. So I thought maybe he just went along with Roger and was just standing around. Well, he said that Jake called him midweek.
Starting point is 00:53:21 And it was like, hey, can you go? Just go to be there. If we need somebody. Just in case. And so I thought, wow, okay. So Bill goes up there. They're running along in the middle of this race, and dad spins out and doesn't hit anything. And then just a dozen laps or a couple dozen laps later, he spins out again.
Starting point is 00:53:45 And I think after the second spin, he's talking about being tired. And Jake's like, come on in. get out. And so he gets out and Billy gets in and then with 100 laps to go because they ran 500 laps at Doverback men. It's like a long race.
Starting point is 00:54:02 Dad gets back in. I just think that's so funny that they're like, y'all are like eight, ten laps down running in eighth or tenth. And dad's like, yeah, I'm good. I'm going to get back in there. Like once you get out, you just think you'd just stay out.
Starting point is 00:54:19 Yeah, there was no reason to get back in. He got the points for starting. There's no point to get back in it. Right? That was the only reason he started. It's just interesting to me. But it's Dale. That's Dale. But you would think Jake would be, you would think finally now he's in the pits like you were with Jake. And Jake would be like, yeah, no, you're not going in. What's he doing? What's he saying about the car? Yeah. Yeah. I thought that was pretty interesting. But he ends up, you know, coming up. You know, coming back and finishing out the year
Starting point is 00:54:52 pretty good, pretty decent. So clawed back into the rookie of the year battle, which Milliken led multiple times throughout the year, but he climbs back in.
Starting point is 00:55:03 It's the best 15 finishes and he put together enough points and with the win at Bristol to rightly win the rookie of the year. Yeah, so that's it. I mean, I want to thank UK for having the idea
Starting point is 00:55:19 to even create those scrapbooks in the first place. I'm much I'm very thankful. I was thankful first that you thought enough to give them to me. You know, you y'all you were making plans to come to moms. Yeah. To see to see what you may want to take home. Yeah. And I got to thinking about them and I thought they're just laying under my bed. I knew how enthusiastic and passionate you were about it. And I thought, well, he may appreciate him. If he doesn't want them, he can give them back to me. And we are the seniors in the family,
Starting point is 00:55:56 so we're depending on you to be the person that keeps the stories going. It keeps the stories going and talks to the babies and tells them about our brothers and our family. So that scrapbook is there for a reason. Yeah. But I also heard you talking earlier about scrapbooks and, you know, what was inside those scrapbooks and all that. Well, this was the rookie of the year that we, We've all been documenting, right?
Starting point is 00:56:21 So what else could I not do but to have that shirt? That looks like a damn an original. That is an original. In the wrapper. It's not been open. Bull crap. Dale, here you go. It's like what more appropriate thing?
Starting point is 00:56:39 We've been talking about this now. How do you have this? How do you still have this sitting here unopened? You haven't been to my house. I'm starting to say, have you ever been to this house. So this shirt is kind of the holy grail of vintage racing shirts in NASCAR at least. And in the bag. Yeah, in the bag.
Starting point is 00:57:06 Good Lord. One of these things on a hanger is going for $100, $150. So I can't believe we have one still in the bag. I bet it's the only one left. Not really Might even have another one Oh shit Oh my God
Starting point is 00:57:25 Takes two Yeah Don't you have two girls? I do Well wait a minute Those could be the two girls That carry on the rookie of the year Yeah that would be sweet
Starting point is 00:57:34 Number two All right Damn dude That's pretty incredible You know I tell you That was because You know I got them for my mom
Starting point is 00:57:44 Yeah You know we always finished up in Ontario We won the championship there, I'd always get my mom stuff, right? They were the biggest fans. And she had the scrapbooks of all the San Jose paper articles and all that stuff. I wish I would have dug those out. They're probably somewhere.
Starting point is 00:58:00 Yeah. But, you know, I always got, she always wanted stuff. So I would take the truck home to, and I park it in front of the whole house, take the whole house. The whole hauler thing. Yeah, the whole rig. Yeah, yeah. And I'd bring her home.
Starting point is 00:58:12 My dad even rode home with me one time. It was like, that was cool. Those are, my family things. They were really into the race, and they loved Dale. And they had them. Well, I appreciate that, man. That's pretty amazing. I will make sure that these are probably just going to stay just like they are.
Starting point is 00:58:29 Been in that bag a long time. Yeah, they have. I won't leave them in that bag. But thank y'all for spending some time with us. I want to thank y'all from all the listeners for giving us your time to help make this series what it is. You guys bring a lot of great insight and information into that season. and make it kind of jump off the page, if you will. And when we start leaning into the next installment of becoming our heart the 1980 year,
Starting point is 00:58:57 we will need you to come back and we will. We may study a little bit before that. You guys go ahead. Y'all go ahead and go home and start thinking and getting your notes together, and we're going to all get together in a big room full of big table and come and put together a show that'll be even better than this one. Maybe we could spark some more stories. Yeah, for sure.
Starting point is 00:59:19 I certainly will. Now that we have a blueprint and an understanding of what we're trying to do, I think 1980 could be even, you know, be much, much better. So thank you all. And until then, until I see you again. Thanks, Dale. Enjoy it. Thank you, guys.
Starting point is 00:59:35 Thank you. As awesome as it is to be able to talk to Doug, Kathy, and Kay. As we wrap up the last show or last episode of The Coming Earned Heart, I kind of wanted to touch on some of the key people that were part of this storyline. Rod Oshelan, the car owner for Dad. You know, we know they win the rookie of the year in 79 and the championship in 1980. Rod would actually go on in the middle of the 81 season and sell his team to a man named J.D. Stacey. Pretty sketchy character of this J.D. Stacey as we talked about.
Starting point is 01:00:22 about him in some of the podcast over the years. But either way, Rod would leave NASCAR, but then reenter the sport with Huss Strickland in 1989 and Jimmy Spencer in 1990. If you remember the Heinz number 57 Pontiac, yeah, that was Rod's car. As far as we know, Rod is still alive in Southern California. Now, Roland Volatka, who was the business manager for the team, would continue to work in the sport with drivers like Buddy Baker and Rodney Combs and Hudson Strickling even, worked around the truck series.
Starting point is 01:01:00 I even briefly worked with Kevin Harvick. Roland was well respected by dad as far as I could tell, and I thought he, you know, considering what they accomplished in such a brief period of time in 79 and 80 with a new team. Roland must have done a great job. Roland unfortunately passed away at the age of 81 in 2020. but it's been fun sort of getting to know
Starting point is 01:01:23 more about him in this series Jake Elder also known as suitcase Jake, not going to talk about him much right here. You know why? Because he's going to be a big part of our next season of becoming Earnhardt, the 1980 season.
Starting point is 01:01:39 Yes, we want to do the 1980 year and I have that scrapbook ready to go. And so we'll get into that maybe in the next installment of Becoming Earnhardt, what happens to suitcase Jake Elder and the racing team? We do know that far beyond the 1980 season,
Starting point is 01:02:02 he worked for Robert Yates and was actually fired by Robert Yates and replaced by Larry McReynolds. And he passed away in 2010 after some health issues he dealt with. Doug Reichert, who is here for the Roundtable, continued to crew chief in the sport for a long time. Winning races is recently with Greg Biffle at Roush. And he continues to seek out opportunities to work in the sport. Still feels like he has something to offer.
Starting point is 01:02:36 He's also an incredibly good handyman carpenter. If you need something made, built, he can do it. One of the things I think we talked about, maybe you don't recall or maybe you missed, Doug showed me a copy of his wedding certificate. And Dad had signed that as a witness. Dad was his best man also in Doug's wedding. So they were really close even after Doug and dad split up
Starting point is 01:03:02 beyond the 1981 season. Doug would go to work at Junior Johnson's with Darrell Walchip's, Mount Dew Car, and so forth. But they remained close enough friends that Dad was his best man during the wedding in the mid-80s. You know, we talked about the end of the Petty Pearson error where, you know, those two had ran, nose to nose, tooth and nail, so many first and second place finishes between Pearson and Petty. All of that came to an end in the 1979 season. That to me kind of, that's it. That story, I know it.
Starting point is 01:03:37 You know it. We've heard it many, many times. But reading through it and sort of living through it, I say, it really hit me. on a personal level how I never thought about it like that you know you've got these two incredible professionals no matter what sport battling each other
Starting point is 01:03:55 in so many great matches and finally it has to end right you never love to see it when your heroes you know have to hang up the helmet but not that Pearson was retiring but that rivalry
Starting point is 01:04:11 that had been so good for NASCAR was over. David Pearson would continue to race, but with very limited success after that. He won a few more races and then eventually decided to hang it up for good,
Starting point is 01:04:29 driving, you know, at the end of his career, he's driving cars. It really just couldn't get the job done. This was the beginning of the Darrell Waltrip and Dale Earnhardt error. And Darrell says as much during the show multiple times. Man, it looks like I'm going to have to be racing this Earnhardt guy for the rest of my career. And man, they would. It would really come to a head around the, you know,
Starting point is 01:04:50 1986 season when Dad and Darrell would wreck at Richmond in a massive crash that would give Kyle Petty his first cup win. I have the car that Darrell crashed in that, in that wreck, in the race car graveyard. Dad and Darrell would account for six championships throughout the 1980s. The rookie class obviously goes on to be in the race car graveyard. The rookie class obviously goes on to be incredible except Joe Milliken. You know, we'll talk about Joe Milliken a little bit in the next episode of Becoming Our Heart, the next season of Becoming Our Heart for 1980. But he gets a few part-time rides, one with Ray Mock in 1981.
Starting point is 01:05:31 He eventually gets a ride in the car that would become Rick Hendrix number five car. That team would end up getting sold to Rick. He makes some sporadical. Attic starts though all the way up until 1987 when he was out of cup altogether. He never had really another full year of competition from 81 on where he was in the same car throughout the year and a steady ride. He returned to the late model ranks back at Carroway and some of the weekly racetracks. He had a scary crash at Carraway in the 90s and then went on to work for race teams, driving transporters and doing things like that for teams like Rouse actually was involved
Starting point is 01:06:16 in a transporter crash in the 2010s with Roush. And he's still out there roaming around. We tried really hard to get Joe to come sit down and talk to us or just be able to really pick his brain a little bit about this series, but it was really difficult to make that work. But we are so thankful for his career and his effort in battle through the 1979. season. Terry Labani, we know, is going to go on and win championships as recent as 1984. I mean, literally five years removed from this season, Terry's a champion.
Starting point is 01:06:52 Harry Gant wins a ton of races, obviously becoming a household name. And also, I think it's a little fascinating to me how much the rookie of the year deal mattered. Yes, of course, we're embellishing it, we're blowing it up, we're making it a big deal in the show, but it really was that big of a deal back then. The rookie of the year battle was something people were so excited. about because this really was where there was such a small group of veterans you know capable of winning every week half a dozen maybe 10 cars at times but there were really a half a dozen good winning cars on the racetrack and those rookies were exciting that rookie of the year battle was
Starting point is 01:07:30 you know was always compelling we lost a little bit of it uh its identity over the years but every once in a while we get a really good crop of rookies that fires up the excitement in that rookie of year battle. Obviously, we talk about J.D. Stacey. Now, one of the stories that got cut from the show is about J.D. Stacey. He owned the car that Neil Bonnet drove in the late 70s, and they got into dispute with crew chief Harry Hyde, and Harry says, we're parking these cars. I'm not taking them to the racetrack anymore.
Starting point is 01:08:16 J.D. Stacey would go over to Rod Austerlin in 1978. Dave Marcus's. Rod's driver, Dad's not there yet. JD and Rod would cut a deal to where Rod Osterlin would put cars on the racetrack that Neil Bonnet would have raced to be able to finish the 1978 year. That really ticked off Dave Marcus. When Dave Marcus quit, it was as much about the next year trying to share a ride with Dale with my dad.
Starting point is 01:08:44 It was as much as frustration over that, the firing of Dewey Live and Good, and also in 70s, he's having this great year, they're running well, and all of a sudden now they're going to start preparing cars for J.D. Stacey and Neil Bonnet? Well, that wasn't in the plan. J.D. Stacey eventually resolves his conflict with Harry Hyde, but in the off-season that year, J.D. Stacey works in coal business.
Starting point is 01:09:11 In the off-season that year, J.D. Stacey's limo was parked in the parking lot of a Concord hotel. Police found a bomb underneath. that car. Rigged to explode as soon as the car backed out of its parking spot. And they happen to be just walking by this car. They weren't even like looking for this, right? They see the car and they're just like, oh, look, that's a nice limousine. What is that strapped to the bottom of the thing? They get in there and inspect it. They don't know whose it is, whose car it is. J.D. Stacey would say this was the second attempt on his life at that point in time. J.D. Stacey would lurk in the shadows,
Starting point is 01:09:49 if you will, of the NASCAR circuit through 79 and 80. And then in 1981 and 1982, he would buy Rod Oshallon Racing. Dad, obviously getting all this information from Neil Bonnet, says, yeah, I don't need to drive for this guy, I'm quitting. He would quit in two weeks and go drive for Richard Childers. Mid-season in 81. J.D. Stacey will go to the racetrack and start paying everybody all kinds of money just to put J.D. Stacey on the side of his car. There's like
Starting point is 01:10:20 seven or eight cars out on the racetrack with J.D. Stacey on the side and eventually check starts bouncing. People aren't getting paid and J.D. Stacey just disappears. Quite an interesting character. Another great story that got cut from the 79 show was
Starting point is 01:10:38 Kale Yarborough appearing on the Dukes of Hazard. Now this is something that I was a little bit confused by because I recall when I was a kid, I believe it was in the 1984 year. I remember Kale Yarborough being on that show. And I remember it was right after he had won the Daytona 500 in the Hardy's car.
Starting point is 01:11:02 And they actually used a little bit of the clip of him winning or the in-car camera footage or whatever in the Dukes of Hazard show. I don't know if Kail's been on the show twice or what. But in 1979, in articles, Kale talks about how he's so nervous because he's got to go to Hollywood to shoot an episode of the Duce Hazard. So maybe Kale Yarborough was on there twice. He eventually went to Hollywood, shot his episode in the middle of the 1979 year, and then during one of the final races of the season, the episode ran on like a Friday or Saturday night. And imagine all of the industry probably tuned in. there's probably only like three stations on the television.
Starting point is 01:11:45 They tune in to watch Kale on Dukes of Hazard, do a terrible job of acting, even trying to play himself, and then go to the racetrack the next morning and give him a hard time for it. You know that happened. We also have an interesting thing that we kind of missed. Now, I've got this picture, so I apologize for letting this slip. David Pearson drove Dad's car in relief for Dad while he was injured. They go to Bristol, and I made a big deal like, man, David Pearson, racing at Bristol. He hasn't raced here in a long time. Yeah, and he was older and running a limited
Starting point is 01:12:27 schedule. Why would he run this race? It's definitely going to wear him out. Well, he did get worn out. He got relief driving from Lenny Pond. Lennie was popular for a relief driver back then, but Lindy gets in the car. I've got pictures of this on my phone, and I just missed it. It should have made the show, but pretty cool to know that, you know, Lenny was climbing in, everybody. his cars back then when they needed help. So during this show, you and I learned more about dad's crash at Pocono and the injuries he dealt with than I even knew, right? I thought it was broken collar bones.
Starting point is 01:13:09 It was much more than that. Well, let me read you an article from the Winston-Salem Journal on August 3rd, 1979. This is a Friday. Rookie Hart out for at least a month. Dillenhart will be transferred Sunday to a Charlotte Hospital from the East. Strasbourg, Pennsylvania Hospital, where he's currently in the intensive care unit recovering from injuries from Monday's Pocono 500. Earnhardt, the hottest rookie on the Grand National Tour in several years, has several bruises, and one broken collarbone, one cracked collarbone, an injured jaw and a concussion.
Starting point is 01:13:43 I didn't know about the jaw. And he is expected to be out of action, at least until the Capitol City 400 at Richmond. Wow, they had some foreshadowing there. and according to Jake Elder the team's crew chief because of his jaw injury Earnhardt is being fed intravenously dang
Starting point is 01:14:01 so busted his jaw I guess he's got his jawl son shut and he's getting fed through a tube is that what I'm reading? Sounds like it but depending on relief driver David Pearson showing here Sunday and the talks next week between team manager
Starting point is 01:14:15 Roland Velocca and Pearson of Spartanburg, South Carolina the veteran will likely drive the team's cars at Michigan, Bristol, and Darlington, and perhaps Dover. So Elder says, I went over in Sawdale Monday night. His neck and shoulders were all swelled up, and he could only lift his hands just a little. The first thing he said was, I hit hard. I said, no kidding.
Starting point is 01:14:36 And then he asked me, when can I drive my next race? Elder didn't have the heart to tell him not for quite a while. This is another neat little tidbit. Bruton Smith, that's Marcus's dad, who's been on the podcast many times. and the owner of Charlotte Mary Speedway sent his personal plane to Pocono to bring Dad back. That's from Elder's mouth now.
Starting point is 01:14:59 You know, the sisters said that Dad got a commercial plane home. So we really don't know. We could ask Marcus, I guess. But Elder is telling this article that Bruton Smith is sending his personal plane to bring Dad back from Pocono and dad will probably check into a hospital for a couple days and let the doctors run some more tests.
Starting point is 01:15:17 Darrell saw the crash and he said the tire exploded into a million pieces and the wreck smashed the driver's seat all to pieces and tore the steering wheel clear around and it smashed the roll bars almost clean metal to metal flat. Now I don't want Dale to come back too quick or come back too soon, but I do want him to get back in the car as soon as he can like getting back on a horse that's thrown you. I know he's going to miss four races. Heck, you can't even run Bristol when you're actually well. That place will really get to your neck. And Darlington, Dovers, those are where you plumb out. I figure he ought to be ready to run Richmond if he's able.
Starting point is 01:15:54 NASCAR Grand National Competition Director Ray Hill conceded. There's a possibility his head brushed the wall. Based on the crew's review of the accident, a hole was torn in the car safety window net by the impact, which Doug Reichert, the crew chief, backed up earlier in this show. Elder said that Earnhardt has been complaining of pain in the back of his head. So there you go.
Starting point is 01:16:18 That's just some more information. You know, I mean, you know, know, we're all still just speculating really what happened in the crash, but dad hit the wall. We do know this. He had to hit the wall flat driver's side. I thought it was a head-on crasher somehow. How did he move forward in the seat?
Starting point is 01:16:35 I just assumed the shoulder straps broke the collar bones. But apparently he went to the side, to the left side. And without anything on the left side of that seat to stop him from moving toward the doorbars and toward the left side of the car, that's when the shoulder harnesses really kind of just broke the collar bones and did that damage. But he moved far enough to actually hit his head on the wall briefly, get him a bad concussion and somehow broke his jaw,
Starting point is 01:17:07 which I'm maybe guessing that he hit his jaw or something on the doortop. But, you know, just a lot more injuries than I'd ever considered. So what is the next stage of becoming Earnhardt? Well, we have the 1980 scrapbook. All right. And we, you know, when we wrote this episode, 1979, I sit down and threw the script together. We did this, as Mike would love to say, we did it backwards. And this came together well, and I'm real proud of it.
Starting point is 01:17:48 But I think if we do this the right way and write the outline and then bring all the information together and the audio from the races and everything else, it could be so much, so much better as a product, easier for you to listen to. So we're excited about that. We're going to do it. The 1987 is going to happen. The 1980 season is going to happen.
Starting point is 01:18:09 Probably next year. We're coming off of the rookie of the year. 1980 is going to be a big year for Dad as well. He's going to have more wins. It's the last season of the big-bodied race car. They're going to go to the smaller cars in 1980s. and I have the car in my possession that Dad ran the final race in at 1980 to clinch the championship. That car also won at Atlanta and did several other things throughout the year that we'll talk about.
Starting point is 01:18:40 We have the car in our hands. Pretty cool. So we'll talk about that and let y'all know how that's coming along. But there's a lot of incredible happenings and moments throughout the time. the 1980s season. I don't want to spoil too much, but Jake Elder will not be the crew chief when the team wins the championship, and that split is really, really dynamic. And there's a lot of articles with some pretty telling quotes.
Starting point is 01:19:08 Dad and Kell Yarborough get into a bit of a spirited battle not only on the racetrack for the championship, but in the media. There's some quotes and comments from both drivers about their opinions of each other and they're driving. So it should be a lot of fun. We'll also include, obviously, the sisters and Doug Rackert for their take and information, what they can recall. Now that we know what we're trying to do with this series, I'm telling you.
Starting point is 01:19:36 I think 1980 in that season will be even more entertaining. So until then, I hope you've enjoyed our look back on the 1979 year. Becoming Earnhardt came out of some scrapbooks that my aunt made with love. and it's been incredible to create something with those. And I've really enjoyed the feedback that everybody has given us. And I hope, you know, it's an evergreen series. If you enjoyed it, now you can share it with friends. They can listen to it in full.
Starting point is 01:20:08 Have some fun with it. And keep the stories out there, like my aunt said, keep telling the stories and keep sharing with people some of the cool things that happened in my dad's career, but NASCAR as well. We'll see you next time. on Becoming Earnhardt. Check out Dirtymo Media on Twitter, Facebook, TikTok, and Instagram.

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