The Dale Jr. Download - 575 - Atlanta & Charters: Is History Repeating Itself?

Episode Date: September 10, 2024

The NASCAR Playoffs are underway, and Dale Earnhardt Jr. is in the studio to unpack the action from Atlanta. The NASCAR charter agreement has progressed and several drivers are in early points predicaments after the weekend:Atlanta is already showing signs of wearWhat caused Kyle Larson’s car to snap into the wall?Denny Hamlin’s conservative approach during the racePlayoff points update23XI and Front Row hold out on signing the new charter agreementRace winner Joey Logano calls into the showThe voicemail Dale left for AndrewDale's new evening routine that Amy isn't a big fan of Check out Dirty Mo Media on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@DirtyMoMedia  Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Hey everybody, it's Dale Jr. back again for another episode of the Dale Jr. download, and we're going to talk Atlanta and winner Joey Lagano is going to call in. We got a lot to discuss. Denny Hamlin, his strategy, the charters, tons of things going on in the sport. It's going to be fun. Let's get to it. The following is a production of Dirty Mo Media. You're a Dale. You're a complete moron if you undo your belt in a moving race car. Moron.

He tends to hide. weird stuff and I'll find it. Bringing Amy on was a bad idea. This is great. The Dale Jr. Download starts now. Hey, everybody. It's Dale Jr. back again for another episode of Dirty Air on Tuesday here

in the Dale Jr. Download Studio. And Andrew's here, Dalton's here at... Hey? He's jumped right now. I was the most abrupt. What's up? Alex is here, too. Shocked. I got a bone to pick with Alex. Uh-oh. I made a bad bet.

And it's your fault. Yes. It's your fault. We'll talk about it later. Damn it, Alex. Yep. We got a lot to talk about Atlanta. And a lot of things going on in the industry.

So it should be a lot of fun. And let's get started. I got a bone to pick with you, too. Really? Yeah, you called me. The cold open is over. All right. Moving on.

Oh, okay. Go ahead. You called me when I was swimming yesterday. Yeah. And left a voicemail basically like, call me a f***. Oh, you must be asleep right now. Just you play it.

And then I called you back. Where's the voicemail? And you didn't answer. This didn't happen. Hold on. It's on my phone. While he finds it, you called me yesterday too. And I was at the Vital Records counter signing my marriage license while you called.

At the record store? No, no. Like at the. You went to the vinyl record store? No, Vital. Oh. Yeah. I went to the Vital record store.

To get married. There's a guy in there. He does think. Yeah. Sometimes he might, he's a notary. But, yeah, I was, so I pulled out my phone. I was like, oh, you're calling me. He hasn't.

Let's listen to this. Was I a little bit too abrupt here? Too rude? No, let's listen. What the fuck? Are you still asleep? I'm talking to don't both. Don't answer your phones.

I was going to call you today kind of bull-hs-a-a-little bit. I'm away home from taking out of school about dirty air and some things I had on top of my mind. Guess we'll talk about it some other time. Hope you're getting your rest. Yep. But you were swimming. I was swimming. Yeah.

I saw you called twice and I'm like, oh, God, is something wrong? Yeah. Is there something seriously? Like, is there a problem? You guys, you know, you guys have your desk at work where you work, right? You do you work. My office is anytime I'm in the car. So like take out of school.

I'm not going to really try to do anything on the phone with her in the car. but out of respect to fatherhood. But when I drop her off, I'm like, all right, let's get some business done. All right, let's be productive. All right, who can I call and do something that'll be helpful? And so I ring this dude. I won't use the foul language here.

But I ring this dude, and I'm like, of all people that I thought might answer the phone. You know, we give each other hard time. Mike never answers his phone. By the way, I gave Mike a call. on Sunday. What are the odds of him answering on a weekend? He answered. Wow. Yeah. It's a big day. But I figured, of all people, you would call, you would answer the phone. I was awake, but I think anytime he's above water, he's pretty good answers. You went swimming in a, in a, in a pool, right?

That's right. Not in the lake. No, no, but I will swim in the lake. Yeah, occasionally. Do you drink the water? I try not. Yeah, not on purpose. There are some moments, though. Yeah. That's water. It's flashes in your mouth. Yeah. No physical ailments or any kind of me.

No reaction to the lake water. Giardia. It's not ideal. Yeah. Some people are convinced that the lake water in Lake Norman's really dirty. I mean, I've kind of grown up here. I've grown up here. I don't know.

Has it gotten dirtier? The lakes get dirtier over top? Maybe litter. I don't know. like people. No, no, no. Like, you know, I don't know,

the amoebas, the things in the water, I know what you're talking about. Bacteria, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Right, so, man-made lake, right? Ben, you know,

man-made lakes, it's not like a natural lake, it's a man-made lake, so what past knowledge do they have about man-made lakes to understand exactly how it needs to be infiltrated, right? Through the dam and so forth.

All that, all that, you know, stuff up in the, up in the, um, coves and whatnot is just kind of sitting there it's not really

moving around that's the water I think you gotta be worried about Brackish water that's a hell of a name for it right yeah you don't ever want to be called brackish

that sounds terrible that's one of your names in high school yeah it was yeah yeah but I've always wondered do lakes get dirtier overtime

we live here Lake Norman we need to know we need to we need to have these answers this week on DJD reload That's a result. This will get pushed beyond reloaded, I'm pretty sure.

But does anybody have the answer to that? I know like when it rains, it's like it gets dirtier for the next couple of days. Yeah, the line gets better. The lake turns over like a pond or anything naturally. But I mean, a man-made lake, right? What are the protocols? What are the things? Like, was it safer swimming in the lake 10 years ago?

Right. Yeah. Then it is today? Has the water gotten more, you know, dirty? Yeah, dirty. I don't know what the word is. Like contaminated?

Should you be more? Yeah, should you be more concerned? So, because, man, in the 80s when I moved here, oh man, we swam, we just, we just, we didn't get it. We didn't care. Nobody said, hey, don't drink that water. Be careful when you're swimming. Keep your mouth closed, whatever.

And now it's like, oh, man, some people I know are even scared to let their kids get in the water. I see people post about, like, sewage spills. and stuff like that in the lake? I'm like, I don't know how that happens. Is it because we know more about lakes and how they get contaminated? We don't know more. Obviously, we don't. Because we're asking the question.

Well, maybe we don't, but I'm sure there's, us three in this room. There's lake experts out there, you know, people who dedicate their whole lives studying lakes. We need them to chime in here. To chime in. Give us a call. I think that's it. Is Lake Norman safe? Aren't there like houses and cars and stuff?

We're going to catch all kinds of hill from the public. Oh, yeah. Duke Energy is not going to be happy. Yeah, the local government and whatever. Lake people. I've heard those like Big Lake fans. Got come after us. Not Big Lake.

Big Lake's going to come for us. Oh, yeah. Big Lake's coming after us. Like Big Farmers. Exactly. Big Lake. Big Lake is going to take a hit out on summer. Oh, my gosh.

He came to my house last night. Oh, man. Did you get a visit from Big Lake? That cracks me up. All right. We can move on. Where to we begin with Atlanta, man? Atlanta has changed and will continue to change drastically.

Listening to Denny Hamlin talk about Atlanta on his show, Action is detrimental. He talks about how slick the track was, how much of a handful of the cars were. The pace was down over a half a second from last. year. Chase Elliott said during the race that if anybody, you know, the cars are so loose, nobody can get to the top and do anything. We saw a couple cars, Eric Jones, for example, get to the top and make some work. And Chase Elliott said, if anybody can get up there and get

their car handling, they'd just drive by the field, which Eric would do at times. His car was secure enough. He'd eventually fade on the back end of these runs because he'd burn, I guess, burn the right front off, or maybe he did eventually get loose. But anyways, what we are seeing is what we hoped we would see with the with the new configuration of Atlanta it's heading toward that old war out slick Atlanta that we had before and it'll get there very quickly if you go outside if you ever been to Atlanta a lot of people probably haven't been to Atlanta there to listen to this show it's almost like it's on the coast if you walk outside the racetrack the the the the ground is a

bit of a sandy texture, a bit of a kind of a beige-tanned color and very kind of sandy. And in those environments, there's a lot of pine trees and all that very natural native to the area. And those in those environments, racetracks age more rapidly. It makes, it's hard to believe that it would do this, but as the wind blows over the course of the year, it takes that dirt and that sand. and almost sand blasts the surface of anything, right? The racetrack, the exterior walls of a facility,

everything is treated more harshly in those environments, like Daytona, Rockingham, Darlington, Atlanta. It's all sort of in that geographical vein of the sand hills and sandy areas of the southeast. and so the track is basically aging a half a second a race

every six every month it's losing a half a tenth to a tenth in pace and grip and so which is awesome we should we should all be thrilled about that what's happening is

is that handling is going to handling they got to the racetrack and a lot of them went wow we are not you know handling very well we probably don't have all of the things we need to get the balance where I'd like it in terms of packing the downforce into the car. And so a lot of teams, and a lot of teams are probably apprehensive to do that for fear of

putting too much drag in the car and not running at all. So they're in this weird sort of transition, a very challenging space as crew chiefs and engineers when they go to Atlanta. How slick is it going to be? each time it's going to take this step forward in aging and losing grip. Very challenging for teams to nail it. While I called Atlanta a hybrid out of the gate, I don't think you put it in Daytona and Talladega category.

It doesn't feel the same. It isn't the same. NBC, NASCAR and NBC would love to say that. They're all the same track. Atlanta, Tel Avata, Daytona, they're the same. Yeah. It's the same, it's drafting tracks, which is a new term that it's been coined by, I guess, the stack guys. I've even heard Super Speedway be thrown around a few times this week, which I don't know if that's necessarily the right term.

It's a mile and a half. Right. It's a small Super Speedway almost. So what I really get annoyed with is how the, so there's those, those terms like short track, intermediate, one-mile, mile oval, that's pretty straightforward. Super Speedway. Those were terms that adhered strictly to a size. Right. Like a distance of a racetrack. They're not just loose terms that you just go, wow, this is a fast track and man, they're racing side by side.

Super Speedway. You know, and so it's not a Super Speedway. A Super Speedway is anything two miles and larger. You could consider Michigan a Super Speedway, but I wouldn't. But definitely Talladega and Daytona are super speedways. The rest of the tracks are simply speedways. Okay. And so.

I agree. Yeah. Now, that was a, that was a, that was a, in the past, those terms held strictly to, to those, you know, those, those type of parameters. And now it's like there's been a big turnover in generations, in the age of the people that work in our industry and what they know about the past or don't know about the past of the sport. And so the terms have loosened, right?

And so it's like, oh, you know, we're going to, we'll just call it a Super Speedway because it just seems like one or acts like, well, that's not really how it works. And so same way with, you know, there was never a term called, this is a drafting track. There was no draft, there was never a term, like that's a new term, right, that was coined by, I want to put it on the Race and Insights guys. I really do.

Because they had no other, they had no other way to describe the new Atlanta. And. Because it's not a mile and a half, but it's not a, what you think a mile and a half is. Yeah, the stat guys were wanting to say, so the stat guys will say, all right, man, we need to give you stats, right? If you're an announcer, we need to give you stats on who's good at these type of races. But this isn't, you know, this isn't an intermediate and this isn't a mile and a half cookie cutter anymore. It's kind of like Daytona Talladega.

It's a drafting track. So we're going to call it a drafting track, and that also means Talladega and Daytona. So the drivers that do good at drafting tracks will compile their statistics from Daytona, Talladega, and say these guys should do well here at this drafting track, which is what they're calling Atlanta. And it's so annoying because now that's like this new term, and now there's this new sort of, there's these new statistics being compiled around drivers that are doing winning races and running well at drafting tracks. But Atlanta will cease to exist as a drafting track in a very short period of time, if not now, if not the next race.

Right, because if we're losing grip and, like you were saying, Chase Elliott was saying, if you could get to that high lane, if you had the grip to make it work, well, if we're going to keep losing that, is this style of racing just going to be completely gone? Is that a good thing for Atlanta? Oh, it's fine. Really? Yeah, it's fine. Is that just going to make it a one groove? No. Not at all.

I think what I'm trying to say is making, I guess, compiling stats for drafting tracks, in my opinion, is a waste of energy. Because in just a race or two, if not sooner, if it ain't already happened, Atlanta has done morphed away from the high grip super speedway style racing that we get at Dayton and Talladega and now it is a

handling racetrack and yes they draft but the draft works everywhere at every racetrack. There's a draft. Like it'll look a little bit more like a Michigan race. It'll look more like a Michigan race and Texas and all of the other mile and a half tracks. And

they will use all of this place. They will run soon enough like they will be running right against the wall. They're getting more and more comfortable with it and when they start to pack the downforce back in the cars to help with this lack of grip and lack of comfort,

they're going to get better at running the wall, better at using more throttle in the corner. You saw them. Those guys driving at the bottom of the racetrack and picking up like six or seven rows. One time Bowman went down into turn three. He was losing his ass on the back straightaway, got put three wide on the inside,

lost about two or three rows, probably went from fourth to seventh or eighth, drives down in the three to the bottom and gains it all back, drives right back up to third and gets back in line off of four. Because of all the cars up at the top of the racetrack having to get out of the gas because of how bad the next gen is at dirty air.

And so they can't follow each other with this car. You can't follow somebody into the corner. You just can't do it. It's frustrating to watch, but it's a challenge, which is also fun to watch in a weird way. I just feel like that Atlanta is changing rapidly, and with that, I think the sport needs to stay on top of that and start changing the style of the package. Right.

For the Xfinity Series, we run a bit of a Super Speedway, Daytona, Talladega kind of package. And I think it's time where they can start to, you know, open the cars up a little bit because they're just going to have to lift, right? It won't make them go much faster, if not at all, because they're going to have to lift because they'll be going quicker at the end of the straightaway, hanging into a turn where there isn't grip, there isn't comfort. They'll be off throttle more, which would produce, I think, a lot of interesting moments

and some good passing and racing. Man, it was so hard to watch. I know a lot of people might not have seen this or really thought this was a big deal, but in the Xfinity race and in the cup race, there's times when the leader has such an advantage because everybody behind him is struggling for grit, right? They're sliding around.

You could see, like, once a guy got the lead, especially in the cup race, he was pretty safe until somebody really put something great together, which the Penske cars eventually did, to win the race. But if you could get that lead, you almost were insulated from all of the struggles and problems that everyone else.

had in the field with the dirty air. And they don't have a ton of power, right? So the guys that are struggling and having to lift a little bit more than the leader can't recover, right? Can't produce runs, can't recover. And so, man, if you've got the lead, you were in really, really a great spot for a majority of that race. So I think NASCAR may look at that weekend and go, great racing, not touching a thing,

that is awesome. But I think with how fast and rapidly Atlanta has changed. The sport needs to stay on top of it and keep making sure that we're taking the type of race car we need to to this track as it continues to change. The Bristol Night Race weekend is coming September 19 through the 21st, promising an action-packed experience for all race fans. I cannot wait for this weekend. That's right, man. And one of the highlights of the weekend is the Food City 300 Xfinity Series race on Friday, September 20th, featuring our guy, the one and only Dale Earnhardt Jr.

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From construction sites to factory floors, safety culture is designed to drive improvements not just in safety, but broadly across quality and efficiency too. Are you ready to put your workplace in the pole position? Well, head to safetyculture.com slash SVG. Big, big crash in the race from Kyle Larson. I want to cover that. We saw him get sideways. I guess I was really taken aback by the quickness and the snap of the car and how he was, he was, it was out of his hands.

In a snap of a finger. Yes. Yeah. And so I don't like that. You know, I don't love that, man, this guy got loose. Okay, it gets loose, right? Maybe overcorrects it a little bit. It's like he doesn't have a chance.

Yeah, it's like as soon as you kind of lose it, you're done. there are a lot of scary hits, but that one was especially scary because it just like, I don't just happen. So fast, and it was at the complete angle of the corner of it. The angle of impact was nasty, and it doesn't, you know, Briscoe comes in, hard contact there. If a driver, so when you're in a wreck, right, and you have an initial hit that's really hard,

you don't want another bam-bam kind of deal in terms of, you know, if you can survive, I guess, you know, luckily, you know, the car did what it was supposed to do, but those are having two hard hits, like a bam-bam like that in a wreck is, it's a bad spot for that driver to be in, and we're very lucky that it looks like Larson escaped uninjured. And I guess one thing I wanted to say is I want to, I want to come in NASCAR, I want to come in anyone who had anything to do with the changes that they made to this car to allow it to destroy itself.

I promise you if Larson hit the wall with the next gen when it was weeks into its original launch, that car would have not folded up at all and he would have taken all of that energy and it would have been a severe, a severe, severe experience for him, physically. NASCAR and the drivers and everybody over a period of time, it was a lot of work and took a long time to take things out of this car to allow it to crunch, absorb, destroy itself,

and now these cars are tearing up like they're supposed to in these type of accidents. Look, you know, I'd love to drive. I'd love to have race cars that ran into walls and didn't get damaged. I mean, you know, as an owner, I don't want to fix damage. but the drivers can't take all that energy and can't absorb those impacts. And that's what's happened, you know, that's what will happen and had happened with the next gen in the past when the car would hit the wall. It would not crunch. It would not absorb energy.

The driver took it all. And so that was a great study and a great case in how far forward we are and being able to, I mean, that's as hard as you're probably going to wreck that car. And that's probably one of the more. severe angles that you're going to hit the wall and the driver got out and he seems perfectly fine. Yeah, I mean, it's one of the more violent wrecks we've seen and, you know, I go back to someone like Kurt Bush, right? Like he's taken, you know, he's forced to kind of retire because of a hit that, in my opinion, wasn't even as hard as this one. So it's a big improvement, I think, from

NASCAR. There is a problem. So if you go back to Fontaine or in the first year with the next in practice, Ross Chastain had a moment in turn three and four. Same thing, same sort of, same sort of oversteer, overcorrect into the wall. I'm curious, I guess, if it's the steering rack, what is it that made Larson, not, you know, I'm not saying, hey, man, I expected him to save that slide, right? but why couldn't he you know why couldn't he tail slap why did the car just take a right

and then it was like he is like the controller battery died right I mean the car just took a B line to the wall what is that why just seemed like it never lost grip well I'm just saying like you're saying it never tails it never lost any sort of momentum

the steering like a they went away from a traditional steering box to this steering rack and the rack is super quick. And it doesn't really, but it doesn't really steer the tires faster. But the way the rack works versus the traditional mechanical box just seems to be faster and twitchier. But maybe we can talk to some drivers about that and say, hey, man, is there something

you would change about the next-gen car that would give Larson a chance to not hit the wall as hard as he did at the angle he did. I'm not saying Larson shouldn't have wrecked, but when he gets loose and the car just takes a ride and it's a direct straight run. That's something I think they could look into and say, hey man, where could we, what is there anything we could change in this car

in terms of the steering and the geo that would give the drivers a chance, right, to kind of take a different approach, change the trajectory of the car or whatever, right? that's the one thing that bugged me about the whole thing. It was reminiscent of David Brumann's, or I'm sorry, Michael McDowell's crash at Texas. It was. In qualifying?

Yeah, it was very similar, how the car dipped in and then just shot right towards the wall. I thought that was, like, immediately I thought of that. But it was interesting how, like, you know, when I saw him hit the wall, I was panicked almost. I was like, he's hurt. And then for him to come over the radio immediately, it was like the sense of relief that I was glad to feel.

Yeah, man. I'm glad he's all right. Him and Briscoe both. I think next gen, comparing next gen crashes, it reminded me the most of, I mean, it was a different, it was a super, I'm going to call it a super speedway race,

but Daytona Blaney last year, just like hammering that wall in terms of same type of impact, same similar spot in the corner. Yeah. They've kind of both walked out fines. Yeah. Yeah.

You know, I think Blaney's, yeah, I think the changes, Blaney's hits were hard on him physically. But I think they've made some really good gains with this car to get it to where, unfortunately, when guys are in those type of wrecks, they've got a better shot at it. Had to have, for sure. I mean, it destroys a race car, and it's expensive,

but yeah, I'd rather that happen than the driver take any of that energy. Let's talk about Denny Hamlin. Hold on. Is that car going to go in the graveyard? Yeah. I mean, basically, I think I will be shocked if a next-gen car ever

ends up in the graveyard. I will be shocked. So, the next-gen car is three pieces. You got the center section, then the front clip bolts to that, the rear clip bolts to the back

of the center section, right? And Larson's car, when it comes back from the shop, if it was the old car, right? Not the next gen. They would take the engine out any mechanical drive line stuff.

They would take brakes and calipers. They would take all of those things out as seat. And then what would be left is the full entire cage, front to rear, and the body. And that's ruined. Because if it, you know, it would have been such a hard hit, it would probably have tweaked and twisted the center section of this of this full roll cage and they probably wouldn't even care if it didn't it would

have been such a hard hit they would just probably say whatever we're just going to build a new car or this one's done that car could come to the graveyard the next gen is in three pieces when it gets back to hMS they're going to take all the drive drive train and brakes and everything off of it they're going to unbolt the bent destroyed front clip um they're going to unbolt the rear clip that's destroyed and see if the center section is salvageable. And it more than likely may be. I'm not sure. But even if it isn't, what am I going to put in the graveyard?

Just a center section? There's not going to be any body panels. It won't even be recognizable. I might know what it is. But you're walking around a graveyard that has full-bodied, wrecked race cars. There's over 80 in this thing. And then you're going to have this little roll cage,

center section sitting over here, Oh yeah, that's the next-gen. That's Larson's. That's Larson's Atlanta next-gen-rank. You're going to look at that and go, oh, okay. What's the point in bringing that even over here, right? If you can't have this whole, you need the whole car, right, to tell the story. So I'll be surprised, I guess.

I would take it. If they said, hey, man, you can have this bent-up mangled front clip. I would probably throw it in the bushes out there in the graveyard. But, I mean, I would probably. We need a next-gen section of the graveyard. Man. All random loose remains. Yeah, because that's what it would be.

It would be like just sections of cars. You know, it wouldn't be, you would never see like a full. It'd be gruesome to look at. Okay. You get my point, though? Yeah, I got you. Let's talk about Denny Hamlin. Danny.

Our buddy. What a weird day he had. So, so people are, you know, I didn't really catch on Denny's show. he did talk about how uncomfortable the cars were, how low the grip was. He described at least after the race, it was like you were dealing with a log jam of a couple of lanes. And he said at that point I was just trying to avoid Rex. I was trying to get 20 points out of the day. That was the only goal is just to walk away with 20 points.

Kyle Petty, he says this in his interview post-race, Kyle Petty ripped him up. What did he say? I miss it. What just Kyle said, man, I've never in my life. in all of my years heard a guy go, yeah, I'm just trying to get 20 points today. And Kyle's right. You know, Kyle's right.

I know there's a history there. They've had that problem at Dover that people think that there's still, you know, still a little bit of a riff between these guys. And Kyle's been critical of Denny in the past. But Kyle's right. Listen, I've rode in the back at Daytona, Talladega. I've tried that strategy.

I've failed. I mean, I don't know. It might have worked once. I don't know. But so I feel like I've got enough experience and have made enough mistakes to be able to comment on this, much like probably Kyle Petty as well, right? People give Kyle a hard time when he gets critical and has a hot take. But Kyle Petty's been around the sport for freaking ever. And he's seen a lot of shit.

He don't, you don't have to be, you don't have to be the one actually climbing the mountain. If you watch enough people go up it, you can figure out kind of how it gets done. And so maybe Kyle doesn't have a championship or all these wins, but he's been around and watched enough of this sport and observed enough racers and people doing things to understand, you know, how to give a, how to give a reasonable take. And so I feel like he's kind of spot on here. I mean, if I'm a Denny Hamelin fan

and if I'm wanting, look, Denny's probably going to come on out of this okay, right? He's probably going to make it to the next round and this will all get forgotten. It's plus two right now. Yeah. But he's got two good tracks ahead of him.

Well, again, I mean, this will be a nothing burger if he advances. Yeah, because then it's a complete reset. But that was not. not that was that was not that was out of character for denny i was just waiting for him to do something yeah and a guy a guy that's like hey you know he he's it was just out of character i don't know how else to say it i was i was a little surprised by that approach by him it's not the first time

he's done that yeah but hanging in the back but like the thing about see him more often when he does do that strategy it doesn't it's not it's not It's harder for that strategy to work at Atlanta because the track width at a place like Daytona and Talladega where you would use that same style maybe. You got more room to kind of work your way forward. And there's, you know, it was the log jam that made it, he, you know, he's sitting there going, okay, I've tried this strategy before. It is what it is. I had a bad qualifying.

I'm not going to be in a hurry. Hopefully there's a lot of attrition. There was it. That didn't work in his favor. I sat in the back of a 25-car pack at Talladega thinking, surely they're going to crash, and they didn't. And I rode across the finish line feeling like a fool. And so, look, they didn't have the attrition in the crashes that Denny was anticipating.

Of course, the one they have, he's in it off turn four. But when he's sitting back there with 40 to go and you're watching the race and how the race has been going and how the, I guess, when you're watching the pack and how the pack has been behaving, you're thinking, I don't know how in the hill he thinks he's going to drive up through this, you know, but it was, he never went on the attack. It was like he wasn't going to make that move until the big crash happened, right? He was going to hope that the crash took a lot of people out of this race

and making that, you know, 20 points more attainable. So I don't know, man. I was a little surprised by it. I think he'll probably still advance. If he doesn't, then this is a bigger story. I think, like, you look at especially this year with the Super Speedways, and again, I'll throw Atlanta into this, but they're talking about saving fuel. You heard my argument. I know, I know, I know. But they're talking about saving fuel and how important track position is, especially this year. And we even kind of looked at the results yesterday, eight of the 12 drivers who earned stage points. So, the guys who've been up front all day

finished in the top 10. So if you were up front early in the day, if you're up front late, it kind of ended up paying off for you. I feel like the strategy, and again, this is totally Tuesday morning quarterbacking it, but the strategy,

I feel like at these types of places when you know it's a log jamies, you've got to get up front. Well, here's what I want to say about it, is that we know that Denny does this. Like, Denny is the guy who we always see, like he's almost like the marker of the field where when things starts getting a little crazy,

all of a sudden you see the 11. just drop back. Like he is the first guy that people go, oh, he's sensing something. He's going back. So I wasn't necessarily out of character to see him do this. I think what I am seeing from this, and it's something that I face even in my own life, is a little bit of analysis or paralysis by analysis. Like he's going over the numbers. He's thinking strategy. He's trying to play chess. And then the move never comes. And then you're waiting. He's one wreck away from looking like the smartest guy on the track. Yeah. And so it just never happened. And it ended up collecting him, which is unfortunate. And so you want to think that he's, you know, playing smart. And unfortunately,

it was a disappointing day for him. But, you know, I agree with you. I think I'd like to see him run up at the front and give it a try. But I'm not sure where like the go button was for him. What is, what, let's look at it like this. Maybe we can approach it this way. Give me an analogy in any other sport where that strategy is successful. It's almost like we were talking about this yesterday. It's like your star player, you're not going to play him as much because you're trying to rest him or save him for the end. It's almost like load management and basketball. Right.

Or like sitting your star in the last regular season game before the playoffs, right? Which is like, this is a playoff. It's not like it's the last regular season race. But his, I guess his thinking is like it's such a crapshoot. But I guess going into it, if you think that it's going to be like a regular drafting track, it is a crapshoot. It is a crapshoot. but then you go into Atlanta and it's a handling race and you're like, well,

now I got a handling race on my hand, but again, like, it's a hybrid. It should have clicked. It should have clicked earlier in the race, but I don't know. I mean, he's got a strategy he goes by that's on, I think you nailed it like you're waiting for the go

and you just never figured out when that go button. The go never happened. When it hit it. And I wonder how much the issues in qualifying, yeah, I mean, he was starting the back, steered them toward this unique, right, strategy. you know, did they go into the race with that, did they, was this the strategy on Wednesday? Surely not, right?

Right. You know, surely not. I don't think so. And I bet they, I bet they had multiple strategies depending on where they qualified. And maybe when this happened, they were like, well, let's try this. And to be fair, Daniel Swarres started 30th and finished second. Droop to the front. Yeah.

So, dude, I mean, you can pass. It's not like the can't pass. Yeah. But I just, you know, it's easy to be a Monday morning, of course. Tuesday morning quarterback here. But it's like at that type of race, first race of the playoffs, it's Denny's kind of that guy who's good at these style racing.

So you expect to see him and then you just, he was a non-factor all day. It's just weird. Now that might help my argument. Maybe this, maybe what was happening there at Atlanta was not that style of racing. That attracting style. we might have found that's the missing That's the diagnosis I think we diagnose it is that

My concern for Denny is And again No no no I want to make sure And I know I'm going to say what you're good Listen None of us were riding in that car

Yeah All the guys all of them in the field complained about balance and issues And where Denny was The balance and issues were the worst Again Yes some drivers drove through the field

Made their way toward the front Found that track position Denny never did and it didn't seem like he ever could. Late in the race, when it was time for him to try to go forward, he was not finding his way forward. It wasn't comfortable,

didn't feel good about it. Apparently, only Eric Jones and only a couple of cars were able to even go to the top of the racetrack because they were so uncomfortable. And so, hey, yes, maybe the strategy was not a great one, but I also don't think that he had a capable race car.

We can't just rule that. You can't just rule that out. It just wasn't a good day. Because it was a very challenging day aerodynamically and balance-wise. So, yeah. I mean, at plus two, I'd be a little, I'd be very, very concerned. I mean, Bristol he's good at. And then Watkins Glen is his like one road course.

we don't know what He won the tire race I agree but that's still a challenge That's still a And let's not forget last year Legano gets taken out by a wreck True X gets taken out by a wreck And in the Bristol night race

I'm not saying he's safe But I'm just saying You don't know where the broomsticks come in It's going to stick into the tire spokes Exactly Exactly And that's when that's coming And that's my concern for him

Is not like When he has when he is under control When he is in control of everything And things don't happen Outside of his control No one better, right? There's no one better. But he blew a motor at Sonoma this year. That could happen to Watkins Glen. His teammates wrecked out at Bristol last year. It could happen to him. I just don't know why you don't want to have the ball in your hand at the first.

Like that's, I guess, like I said, I think it's a little analysis by paralysis. Like Cindrick, basically, who's plus 27, had two great stages. And that, and DBC was talking about this. Like, Austin Cindrick ended up finishing 10th, but he was second in stage one, first in stage two, all those freaking points that he ended up getting and I mean he's sitting in a great spot like that's a good start to the playoffs I think speaking of DBC Alex Bowman had the best

average running position of the entire race I can see that he was like 5.6 or something like that he was motivated I think did DBC mention that DBC put him in a terrible situation last week Oh yeah specifically Brett

talking about yeah yeah he had a fun media day because of it yeah that was unfortunate So, but anyways, I think that did motivate Alex to go out there and do a great job. I have one quick question for you about Atlanta. Earlier this year, you said, or maybe it was last year you said Atlanta's the hottest ticket on the schedule. Is it still the hottest ticket on the schedule? It's tough for it. There's two ways to look at it.

I think it is a great, I think it's a great ticket. But right now, I said that earlier in the year, right now the hottest ticket's the next race. Because it's the playoffs. You know, we're coming up on Bristol. We've got Kyle Larson at plus 15. You got Carl Larson plus 15, Denny at plus two, Ty Gibbs at plus one. Brad Kislauski at minus one. Daniel Swarres at plus 22.

I mean, there's some compelling things happening right now in the playoffs that make me excited for the next race. But in terms of, hey, man, I want to get you, I'm going to buy you a ticket. I'm going to send you to a race. You're going to be entertained. And I've no concern. Atlanta's in that short list, right? If there's, I don't know, there's three or five races on that list,

Atlanta's on it. I think with Bristol, especially now with the tires reacting the way they do, you got to, that goes back up in the power rankings. I think it has the top spot. Yeah, I agree.

I mean, Burton and Briscoe, I think are already in a hole where you, I think they're cooked. Yeah. I think Turex. Burton and who? Burton and Briscoe.

I could see Turex, just with the experience, he has maybe climbing his way up. But I mean, the athletic, by the way, they wrote a great article from Media Day. And it was, you know, who could be a surprise first round exit? And a lot of drivers anonymously voted for Martin Sherex Jr. So, and some cited just because of momentum. He just hasn't had the speed this year.

But I don't know. I don't know if you can fully count Shrek's out. He deserves it. He deserves that distinction. Of what? Of being an early exit? Yeah. When Harvick asked him early.

this year who was the better racer between me and Chase Selly, he picked Chase. Payback. My good friend, Martin Triggs Jr. Revenge. So, yeah. Screw that guy. I'm petty. I am petty as hell.

All right. We will go hunting, though. Okay. See you soon, buddy. We'll sort it out. So, yeah, the playoffs are interesting. First race, Joe Lugano. Comes out of nowhere like he does every freaking year.

That's my biggest holdup right now is going into the playoffs. Lugano, I mean, like, if he didn't win in Nashville, he wouldn't have even been in the playoffs. Now he's on in the next round. It's an even number year. I have no idea what to think of him. Like, he's a complete wild card in my book. Like, he can make the champ for her.

He could get out the next round. Well, they've been doing this every year. I know. It's not like this is not a new thing. It's exactly how his seasons have gone. I think even when he won the championship a couple years back, it wasn't a stellar year. He was like a 12th place driver all year.

I mean, Blaney, I guess you could say the same thing. He was. Yeah. He was like in the latter half of the... I just don't know, like, if I redid my playoff grid right now... I can't. I know I can't, but if I did, how do I reconsider...

Like, do I put Lugano my champ for? He's a two-time champion. I understand that. But it's just, it's a weird... Before this race, you look at Ligano, be like, yes, he's... championship. He's a championship contender. Really? A hundred percent. He's Joey Lugano. I understand that. He's in a Penske car. I know. They're always good at the end of the year. Yeah. I mean, honestly,

I can make that argument you're making. If you look at the playoff grid, right? Andrew, what we're going to do is we're going to take each car and we're looking at this. People listening to the show and watching the show aren't looking at this. But if you just take each individual individual car, you're going to put them out on the racetrack with Joe Lugano. Who's going to win? Head to head. Head to head. There's a lot of beatable cars if you're Joe Ligano, right?

He's not just, you know, dog, I mean, if you look at him and say, all right, William Byron versus Joe Lugano at Bristol, that's pretty even, right? I think so. Pretty even money. Alex. How's Alex doing back here? Good. So, Alex, this is where you make it can help us.

Dirty mode, Doe, Alex. What can I do? All right, so he's, we're all trying to make an argument for Joe Laganah either, you know, being this big shocker. Yes. Or being competitive and being a true, legitimate playoff threat. And I was saying, man, if you just look at the playoff grid and you're going to, you're going to take Joey and put him out on the racetrack against all of these guys individually,

it's pretty even money in pretty much every head-to-head. If you put Joey head to head with William Byron at Bristol, it's not bad odds for Joey. No, he's definitely the underdog in all those. Yeah, but it's close. Byron, maybe not. If you go with Chase Elliott, it's probably, Bowman. Bowman, he might be the favorite. Cendrick.

Cendrick favorite. Okay. Let's say Blaney, Bell, Reddick. You take Cendrick over Lugano? Blaney, he's probably even with. He's even with Blaney. Even with Blaney. Really?

I would say. Bell, Bell's probably better, Reddick's better. Chase Elliott and Joey, I think, are flat. Flat, yeah, I agree. Joey, Joey and Suarez? Joey. Probably Joey. Kyle Larson, obviously.

Larsen, I'll take Hamlin. Yeah. Ty Gibbs, Joey, flat. At Bristol? But the Joe Gibbs, Yeah, Joe Gibbs gets a lot of credit on, in gambling, but yeah. Ty Gibbs, on paper,

has had a better season in Lagano. Flat, if not Joey, every time. So, I mean, there's literally... Like six drivers. Less than six. Yeah. All right, Bell Reddick. Ty Gibbs outran Legano in the points, though, this year.

It doesn't matter. Bell, we're not looking at points. We're just saying, hey, you're going to, it's playoff time. You're going to put them on the racetrack head to head. You're going to have to bet $100. Head to head, Joey, each individual guy. I think Bell, Redick, Larson, and Hamlin are the only four that I would take over Ligano comfortably.

Comfortably. I would agree. It'd be a terrible bet to make otherwise. because it's pretty even. So it puts Joey right there in the top five or six. There we go. No surprise. We've just made Joey Legano a contender.

Right here on Tuesday, just now. Or I'm an idiot. Yeah, I don't know. Let's bookmark that. Hey, I got him in my final four, I believe. Do you? I believe so. We had this shit on the table last week.

He's got it hidden somewhere. We should have that on a whiteboard where we just look at it immediately. and go just reference all of our final four i mean at this point in the year i'll get it on i'll get it ready for next year not on camera but we just could be able to just just just for us yeah i like that moving up should we just move on to the uh the charter conversation yeah yeah this is so uh interesting man i could not believe this came uh this came down the way it did but apparently right everybody signs the charter agreement except for uh 2311 which is not a big shocker front row also didn't sign

which is a shocker. I think they both, at least the explanation, was they're both kind of looking to expand to that third car, which could maybe be why they're held out. Denny's listening to this and he's going to text me all the reasons why I'm wrong. We always have, when I talk charters,

we always have a Denny handling conversation later in the week. I was really, really surprised that the teams split. Now, I felt like when they, started meeting with NASCAR individually that NASCAR had gained the upper hand, right? If the teams are all going to band together and really have leverage, they had to stay together, right? And so when NASCAR starts meeting with them individually, that was going to erode at the trust and confidence and and teamwork that the RTA had. A lot of their leverage as a group. went away. Now, Denny in

2311, they believe they have all this leverage and their leverage is not change, and that's fine. But when NASCAR started meeting with the teams individually, they could get them in the room and go, oh, come on, man, you don't, you know, you guys, you don't want to you know, make this, come on.

You know, and they could have these conversations and soften them up a little bit. And over time, it seemed to work. And we've heard Justin Marks and other people coming out and and Jeff Gordon, all these people commenting that, look, it's probably the best deal we were going to get.

NASCAR made it clear that that was the last, they were done negotiating, didn't get everything we wanted. There were some things we liked, some things we didn't like. And I feel like that that's expected. That's part of the process. The deal is not eternity. You know, you get the opportunity to negotiate this again down the road. and the idea in my head is that every time it's renegotiated,

the teams will acquire more, right? NASCAR's not going to dial it back, tighten it up, make it, you know, NASCAR's going to take away. They're going to, the teams, much like we've seen in other sports, when these sort of discussions start happening, the teams acquire more over time. They didn't get everything they wanted. that's unfortunate. I'm sure Denny Hamelin sitting at this table would tell us why that's terrible

for his team going forward and how this doesn't work for them. But in a handful of years, they get a chance to renegotiate this and try to acquire more of what they're after. NASCAR has all the leverage, and they knew it, and they tried to work with the teams, but I think at some point Jim France and Steve Phelps and those guys, go, you know, we've worked around, we ran around, we've danced around this bush for months and months and months. We've all, we've made certain adjustments, but there's things that we're standing firm on. This is it. And so pretty, uh, I thought that the teams would hold out longer, I guess. I was a bit surprised that they signed. I didn't see that coming,

but, um, and I felt the teams would hold out longer, but apparently they pretty, apparently the message was clear from NASCAR to these teams that signed that this is it. Take it or leave it. There are some great quotes from an athletic article that Jeff Gluck and Jordan Bianchi worked on and they talked to team owners anonymously. One team owner said they put a gun to our head and we had to sign. And then on the other side of it, you know, another team owner said it's a better agreement than we currently have now.

I feel like I can build a business model around it. It sounded like they sent over the contract at 6 o'clock. on Friday night and gave them midnight to sign. At least that's what Bob Jenkins said. Right. Apparently they only changed a couple pages, as from what I heard. It's not like they had to read the whole hundred five page. Some of that stuff didn't change.

But still, I'd be six-hour timeline, race weekend. It's a little, I mean, gun, you know, cutting it close. I mean, I know like everyone always asks, so are you going to get a cup charter? Like this, obviously I feel like would be of interest to you. Is this? and I know you were kind of talking about the teams will eventually get more and stuff,

but you've talked about how you kind of want that, you know, Iron Fist, the Big Bill France, this is what we're going to do and you're going to either join the team or you can, you know, we'll see you later type of deal. Like, is this the good approach from NASCAR in terms of just laying down the law? Like, this is it, we're done?

I like it. You know, I like, I want to be sensitive to the owners and if I was an owner, I could absolutely understand fighting together. get everything you could get. The sponsorship landscape is is really, really challenging. And I mean, listen, this doesn't help. As the money for the charters goes up, it's trying to balance the lack of funding and sponsorship that the teams have. Right. So that they can have a better bottom line, right? But it makes things more difficult for the Xfinity series and the Cup series,

because now some of those partners can look beyond into the Cup series and go, you know, that they'll, I can spend my money there, the same amount of money, maybe even I'm spending in the Xfinity series of the truck series and get an impact or have an involvement, maybe not an entire full season. But so none of, I don't, I have reason to not like certain things about it. but if I was an owner in the Cup series, yes, I would want everything,

I would want every dime I could get from NASCAR and I could make a hell of an argument for all the money coming in from the networks and everything else. I do know running NASCAR is expensive, very expensive, and running the racetracks and all that is expensive. And so I know that that doesn't happen on its own, and some of that, you know, that TV money is responsible for the, the sport moving forward, but what this will do is, what it should do is make the charters

more valuable. So the price of the charters and what charters sell for should increase, right? That should happen. And if the teams got a big bump, specifically like these teams in the back, that were guaranteed around $5 million and now guaranteed around $8.5 million or whatever it is, right? You're just, I'm just saying numbers, but if you're a, you know, a team that runs 30th, they would, you know, averages a 30th place finish. And you instantly are going to make three to four million dollars more a year. That's awesome. It doesn't mean now you're going to be flush with cash,

and it's just this massive profitable business, but it's better. And so that would then make the charter value go up. And when you would sell or want to sell that charter or want to buy a charter, it's going to be the asking price will be higher. I feel like that the charter should continue to rise. The value of the charters should continue to rise. The idea, I think, you know, what a lot of investment firms and a lot of people say like

Michael Jordan and a lot of people in these investment firms that are considering NASCAR and certain entities like the Yankees and so forth that are looking into it, they're looking at these big sports franchises that they've built and thinking, you know, how much higher can the value of this Major League Baseball team or this NFL team? How much more, where is the ceiling? We may be, you know, there may be some more room, but it's, but geez, these, you know, NFL teams are selling for $6 billion, right? And the 90s, you could, you know, NFL teams are selling for under a billion, $600,

million. And so Washington was sold today in Snyder for 800 or something like that. I can't remember, but it was like a amazing, huge number back in the day, right? Now that team just sold last year for $6.5.5 billion. And so if you're one of those folks, right, from that part of the world, you're looking at an NASCAR and going, I can own a team for like two dozen million, or, you know, 24 million bucks and the sky, I mean, there's so much growth potential, right? And so 2311 believes that. But they cannot get there. They can't get that growth potential unless NASCAR creates that

value for them in this new agreement, right? And that's why they're fighting and trying to, to, because that model makes sense to them, right? And so, you know, I think it, I think the charters will, I will not be shocked if the charters or go to, you know, at one day down the road, and maybe in a very short period of time, maybe it might be five years,

are $125, $150 million. That is to me, like a reasonable, like if you're an owner, that's like a reasonable trajectory. Yeah, and a hope, right, that you'll get to that value one day. And there'll be people out there wanting to pay that, right, to buy and get into this deal. But I don't know, you know, I don't think any, I mean, listen, there are people, I think, that are thinking that, well, this is a storm.

Some teams signing, two teams not signing. Whoa, my God, this is unprecedented. It is uncharted, but I don't see where this is going to cause any problems. What? I don't see can NASCAR take their charters? Like, is that? They won't do that. They're not going to do that. They're not going to take away Michael Jordan's charters. Never. They're going to try their hardest.

But then why not say that? You know, like, why not put it in there? They can't say that. It's permanent and we can't take them. Oh, I think that's a big. That's a huge tension point. That's my question. If they're not going to, why not just say they're not going to?

Because I don't, I mean, you know, you. I guess there's the circumstance of someone abusing the, charter and you know i don't think that's a concern really i don't know if that's really a concern but um so the i think that the uh there may be a little bit of a disconnect between what nascar thought the charter system would be and what the teams think the charter system is and so now when you're renegotiating you can't find that common ground right so if i if i take myself back to when the charters were created the charter system wasn't called a franchise for a reason.

They weren't considered franchises. And so they were considered a, this was going to lock you into the field. We're getting rid of, you know, our traditional style of provisionals, qualifying, champions provisional and all that stuff. And you're going to have this many teams guaranteed a spot so that they can then go to their sponsors and say,

we're guaranteeing you 36 races a year. Guaranteed, you'll be in the race. you'll not miss the Daytona 500 on a technicality or a bad qualifying performance or something. You're going to be in all of these events, right? And so then the teams could then go do some work and bargain for these corporate sponsors. Literally, I mean, that was the main purpose of the charter. And if you have a charter, you're going to be in the field, buddy. And the rest of these teams, you know, whether it's in NASCAR's eyes when they're super healthy,

they've got tons of teams trying to qualify for these races and a lot of people missing races because they're just not fast enough. We don't, you know, we're not in a place right now where we have more cars showing up than there are starting positions. But that's the idea when they made the charters. We're going to guarantee these teams a spot in the field

and anyone else who shows up, it's a free-for-all. You don't have a charter. Sorry, go out there and try to earn a spot. The teams have shifted that idea. that the charter is a franchise. The charter is like owning the Indianapolis Colts. You know what I mean? And I don't think that NASCAR ever thought it would be that.

Now, the teams have, the teams have created value in owning the charter. And to them, it's as if they have a franchise in their hands. So I can see both sides of it. And so I think that's where the, I think that's where, there's not a lot of common ground between the two. Brett also brought up a great point on DBC yesterday where... Shocker, unbelievable. No, it was a great point where some of these teams who were, you know,

born into this were gifted the charters. And then other teams like 2311 and expanding teams had to purchase. You've got two different perspectives of almost, I could see why 2311 may be fighting a little harder because we had to spend so much money to get these charters where it's like a Rick Hendrick and I'm just throwing his name out for example he he was given it you know he made value from nothing that would be uh that would be the the argument or that would be the discussion around why some team signed and one didn't sure denny will tell you they he has poured a lot a lot into this financially and he's risks a bunch of what he's earned over his course of his career

to have this team, to have this brand new shop. And he convinced Michael Jordan, this is a good idea. You need to be here. Let's do this together. You know, and so he's, there's a lot of financial and internal pressure for Denny to fight this and try to, you know, try to make this work. Whereas to your point and to Brett's point, there are some teams like, you know, let's just let's just take a wild guess like the Wood brothers and some of the other teams are going

like a track house right i mean i know trackhouse had to buy his his deal but judging by his remarks over the past couple of days just in marks um he's like hey i ain't going anywhere i'm going to be here i want to race here this is the best deal they said they was going to give me don't love it but there's parts that i think can help me i can i can make this work um and so it's it's It's interesting, interesting times, but I honestly don't see, I don't see this creating, I don't see this turning into a clown show or creating some sort of a, a drama. Legal battle. Legal battle, I don't.

I don't see. Curtis Polk did say, oh, if we have to. I just don't, I mean, they may, but I don't think anyone's going to really care. I don't, you know, like, I don't. think the public is going to invest emotionally in any litigation or illegal battle. Would you?

I mean, if it goes into the courts, are you going to follow that? It'd be an interesting precedent. I think, like, can you take legal battle on a decision NASCAR's made? Are you going to be like, I'm not going to be in the courtroom every day? No, I mean, I would probably go,

okay, they're going to do that. I see that. We'll see who wins, but when one wins, or whoever it is that wins, I'm not going to be, are you going to be? Depending on what the result is, the precedent could be significant enough. I mean, for me, I would follow it. It wouldn't be the top storyline, but it would definitely be something I would track. I think the news cycle is just too fast.

And like, there's a lot of wild shit that happens in today's world that get your attention. but in a week later you're like on to the next and I just feel like this would kind of be the same thing once it gets kind of down weaving it woven into the you know a court case I think we're all going to check out and there's be other shit going on in the sport that will be more important I think depending on the result if the result ends up being that hey yeah you've got to make these charters permanent and franchises and that is a big deal I don't kind of would a court and a judge I have no idea This is where I might be overstepping.

I have no idea. Are they going to go to court and tell NASCAR how to... And I don't know, like, you know, they're going to pursue legal action. I don't know what exactly that legal action looks like. So I won't speculate on any of that. I just don't see it getting to be... I just don't see it kind of... I don't see the sport like rushing up to a roadblock

and everything grinds to a halt over this. It's not going to now. I mean, 13 teams have signed, right? so you're not going to have two teams, you know, participate. But I just. It was a little more split, maybe. Right. If it was like, you know, even or there was five teams that signed, maybe.

But I just, and I don't think we need to cater to anyone, individual or team, but it would be a real shame if this turns someone like Michael Jordan away from being involved in our sport. And that's, that's why I would follow it. Because I would want to see, okay, if Michael's interested and he's happy with NASCAR, why don't the Steinbrenner's come in? Why doesn't, you know, Stephen Ross and the Miami Dolphins come in? Just, you know, I had to shout him out.

But it's, it's, it's, I just want to see the sport grow. And I feel like a lot of times there's that old parable of like, you know, a bird in the hands were two in the bush kind of thing. I just don't want to see us limit ourselves because of some technicalities that will never even happen. Like you said, they're not going to take the charters away. Why would they do that? Well, then just say that.

Like, and that's, that's kind of where my head's at with it. Well, I think, you know, I don't think they would take Michael's and Denny's charters away what if there was a person that came in and invested into the sport that was nefarious and got himself into some real trouble and then now that's a permanent charter that he owns and that's the counterpoint right so i agree with that because i don't want somebody coming in and you're wrecking everything and running backwards or so i don't even know i'm just saying like they know they might have something legally going on outside of the race team just some personal situation going on that muddies up the brings a bad light on the sport.

You just never know. I mean, I can't begin to understand why NASCAR didn't, you know, give the teams everything they asked for. They had their reasons. I have always said, though, that my favorite NASCAR was Bill France, senior, Bill France Jr., this is how it's going to be. the road, you know, they would, they would even tell, you know, they would tell anybody. They never probably did, but they would tell Richard Petty, Dallan Hart, anybody.

This thing's going on without you, right? You can get on board and be here next week, but if you don't want to or can't, we're going to be at the next race, we're going to be racing, and you can set on the sidelines if that's your choice. and they did that with rules and everything. And so, you know, it goes all the way back to Talladega in 69 when the drivers formed the association and boycotted that race. The race went on. The race still happened and the sport did not suffer.

And it was probably so delicate in that moment, right? The sport would have been easy to bust and crumble. but Bill France said look all right Bobby Allison Cali Yarborough Richard Petty hey if you don't want to race don't race y'all can go on home this race is happening it's going to be here tomorrow we're doing it and what happened when we went back to Talladega the next time they were all there and Dalton to your point real quick I think Adam Stern reported like a month ago but there was you know a proposed

ban on you know Saudi investors and that type of the money coming in. So I don't know if that ended up being in that final agreement, that 13 and 15 signed, but there was definitely discussion of that, you know, with these, you know, conversations going on. There's probably so, there are so many clauses. Dude, there is probably so, there are probably so many scenarios that have not been thought of. Reveal, no. I'm saying if I was, if I'm saying, if I'm saying I'm holding that document. Yeah. Yeah. There's probably so many. make your headspin. There's probably stuff in there

that's always going to remain private among NASCAR and the teams. And I'm sure Denny Hamlin and those guys are going, God, I wish I could just tell everybody what all is in here and what we're trying to fight against in detail. All right. But

last quick question. Do you think there's any hope that 2311 and front row get anything more than what has already been proposed to them? How would they? I don't know. That's why I'm asking. Like, do they just go and sign a few months later? Is it just kind of like a holdout? I don't know what happens, yeah.

Yeah, that's the biggest question mark right now. I mean, if they get more, everybody else has to get more. Right. So then you got to sign a new. I think they, I think they, I think they either sign or they go to court. Sign or court. I think, right. Is there another alternative? Is there another route? Run an open car. I don't know. Like their cars are just open. They won't because then they won't get the money at all. Right. They're turning down 12 to whatever it is, $18 million a car to run it up a car. I could see this going to like February. You know, we're clashes coming up and we're still waiting on 2311 in front row to sign.

What's going to happen? Like I think this is going to be far from over. We're going to be talking about this. Denny's hardheaded. I don't see Denny going sometime, you know, in a couple weeks going, all right. We're signing it. Yep, we were signed. Oh, all right.

Well, we're, we're done fighting. I just don't see, he's such a, you know, he's hard-headed. He's going to fight, he's going to stubbornly. He don't back down. Yeah. And he's empowered, right? He's got Michael Jordan. He's got all this, you know, he's got a lot of people that all believe in that building

that they're doing the right thing. So this could take a while. This could take a while. The charter conversation is a big industry conversation, right? everybody's talking about it. We're talking about it. You know, Sirius X-CM guys are talking about it. Everybody's talking about this.

But not just in, take all of these big discussions, right, that happened throughout the year. There's this idea from some people, a lot of people, that you can't reference things that happened in the past because it's, you know, the sports moved on. Things, times are different. But, and so you can't, like, I made that reference to Talladega, right, in the, in the driver's boycotting. I know there's a lot of people in our industry would go, oh, that's a different time.

You can't, that's not even the same. Kurtz Polk said that. He's like, it's not the 60s anymore. Right. You know. And so, but I disagree. I think that you've got to remember history, reference history. You got to recall moments that happened where there's lessons learned.

And yes, maybe he, maybe he's correct in certain specific moments. Like maybe that, you know, maybe that 1969, to Halladayga Day and that weekend and how all that went down has nothing to do with the charters and it's not helpful but I remember how stern and headstrong Bill France Senior

was when you do a lot of homework on that particular weekend and that that is where I draw the comparison to Jim and current day NASCAR they all they've held on to that they've held on to that sort of mindset, right?

And it's not just a, it's not just guys being hardheaded. It's the way they've always been, right? So that's why you might reference that. Joey Legano has called in. All right, so we got race winner Joe Ligano on the Dell Jr. Download. And man, we've seen this before. I remember having you on the show, exact same room.

Are you at the shop? I am. Just hanging out. Yeah, got a couple. A couple new trophies back there. since the last time we had you on. You and your teammates are doing some good things out there on the racetrack. Before we get into your day, I had a question.

So we were talking about Larson's wreck. I know you may have had a chance to look at that. Why does this car produce that type of reaction? I remember in Fontana when y'all first got in the car and took it to Fontana and Chastain wrecked almost kind of in the same way off-term. for in practice got loose hard right into the wall. And I thought that over time you guys would get used to that rack steering and the quickness of all of that and how to properly sort of make the inputs needed, the muscle memory and all

that to save these cars and give yourself a chance. But still, like we see that instance with Larson where, yes, he got sideways. But man, when he got past a point in no return, he had zero chance. chance to change the impact, the direction of impact, and what is it about this car that creates that? And a simple answer, I believe it's the underbody and the lack of side force that's in the car. The car makes the most downforce when it's going straight, and as it creates, you know, you get more sideways or yaw in the car aerodynamically, it starts to shut off the downforce

and you don't gain any side force like we used to, right? I used to have that big quarter panel sticking out there in the wind. And now it's, I mean, shoot, Larson said it when he was running the Indy cars in the Indy 500. He said that the Cup car is more like an Indy car than it used to be. So directionally, we've gone that way. And you see the way that Indycar crashes. It's the same way, right? They're quick.

They snap. And when you're at Atlanta, you're setting the corner speeds are so fast. The loads are so high. The cars setups and the springs are so stiff in the back that it just becomes really snappy. and edgy to drive. And I mean, as much as you can kind of get used to that feeling, it's still like it sneaks up and bites you really, really quick. And, you know, I got to run the Xfinity car for a few laps in Darlington.

And it's been years since I've been in one of those cars. And I was like, this was awesome. I'm like sliding around. It's like you're on dirt. It feels like you're on a dirt track compared what it's like in the cup car, the modern cup car today. So just a different game and just I think the way the cars are built. You know, I do think that they've made some major, major gains and allowing these cars to kind of destroy themselves when they crash like that.

Luckily, you know, Larson didn't have that type of wreck two or three years ago. He would have probably been in bad shape. I wanted to ask you, too, we watched Denny Hamlin, you know, struggle to sort of put himself in position late in the race. I didn't know if you had much experience kind of being in the pack and could help kind of describe to us what it, Why it was more challenging this weekend than it might have been in the past to sort of work your way through the field? There was a lot, a lot of, you know, a lot of grip had gone away from the track since the last time you'd been there, which is great. The track's aging. But how come there was a bit of a log jam and it was more challenging to sort of progress to the field this weekend?

I kind of feel like it was like that last time here as well. and it's really where super speedway racing has gone in the next gen era some is that the cars themselves they create a lot of drag and so you know to make a lane work you got to have quite a bit of help going along with you I think that the drivers have gotten really really good at speedway racing they recognize the runs they know where things are coming from so it's really hard to maneuver your way through the field because everyone's pretty smart now right like before you had maybe five or six guys that really understood it and you can kind of drive yourself through the field yeah but now gosh it ends up being you know too wide and everyone kind of knows what they can do there's a few cars that were

really special i thought that were able to kind of slip to the outside of cars and get that third lane working um and that took a lot of handling to do that um but gosh it just seems like the evolution of what speedway racing is the cars are getting better to drive everyone's getting better at the setups but also the drivers and the spotters just understand it and they're studying it and it's getting harder and harder to have an edge over anybody and i think that's why you see this just quite the track position game that's played even at talladega or Daytona's the same one so talk about the big push that you got late in the race great commitment from your teammate blaney how comfortable were you getting those big shows

we hadn't seen really that much aggression or we hadn't really seen there you know you knew it was coming where late in the race the push in the contact and shoving down the straightaways and all that was going to be necessary to win how comfortable was that

where you getting you sent off into the corner were you hanging on for dear life as bad as it looked into traffic I was wondering how those pushes felt down the front straightaway Yeah, well, when I seen them coming, I made sure I put my head back against the headrests. I get the old whiplash. You know it's coming, and they're huge hits.

He knocked the hell out of you on the back straightaway that one time. Oh, hit the hell out of me, yes. And like, when you go to like the bigger tracks, you know, Daytona Talladega, the push is a little softer because you want to connect. Yep. And stay connected and do that tandem, right? But here the straightaways aren't really that long, so by time you connect, you got to disconnect. So really all that happens is they just whey you instead of connecting softly. And it just, you transfer the run as quickly as possible.

So the car itself felt pretty comfortable taking the pushes, which was good. I can't say I was very comfortable inside the car. But I wasn't out of control at least. Yeah. It was good. We've seen you do this, you know, for a couple years now. This is kind of, unfortunately, I'm sure you'd rather do it. another way, but your, you know, your team's kind of struggled for speed at points in the season,

and this isn't a new thing. But when the playoffs begin, Joey Lugano figures out how to advance through the rounds by winning races and getting results. How do you, I mean, it's literally a completely different team when the playoffs start. We saw it as well. We've seen it with you multiple years. We saw it as well with Blaney last year. Is that a Penske thing? What is it that gets you guys on top of your game when it matters the most? Sometimes I wish I knew exactly what it was because we would do it all the time because I want to win every race not just the last 10. But it's great that we are good at the last 10 more times than not. But I think there's a few things that goes into the equation.

I think one is pressure, right? And some people love pressure and it makes them better. And some people, it makes them crack. and, you know, I think for our race team in particular, 22, they're all pretty experienced guys. They've been around the block quite a few times. They've been in the playoffs. We've been knocked out of the playoffs. We've won championships.

We've lost championships together. And I think that really helps when it comes to the playoff time. Because you know how to prepare. You know it's coming your way. It's not like, gosh, the first time you get their championship four, you're thinking, this is our only chance to ever do this. And it's going to be, you know, the stress. and everything goes into it and you end up overthinking stuff or or cracking under pressure, really.

And the more times you're in that scenario, the more you're able to prepare and know it's coming your way and be more comfortable ultimately. I think that's some part of it. I think the other part is just also within the race shop. I think everyone realizes that, gosh, with this playoff system, you can have a mediocre regular season and have a chance to win the championship. So it's kind of a second win that you get, where it's like, all right, we got a shot.

Like, we're back in this thing. And I think we thrive in those moments. And I wish I knew exactly what it was because it would make a lot more sense, but that's all I can come up with. Yeah. I think it says a lot, too, about how y'all, I think it says a lot about, too, the Penske personality during the regular season when you're trying to find that speed.

you're not finding it and it's a long year. You know, you look at the bulk of the performance over the 26th race regular season, you guys never implode. You never, you don't mash a panic button, you don't shuffle crews and teams and drivers around. You mentioned you have a lot of the same guys over the course of the years. And so, yeah, when you're not, you know, winning all the races that you want to win, you don't assume there's an issue that has to be fixed.

and then when the playoffs come around, you find yourself where you want to be. I love the performance in the playoffs, but I also love the composure during the regular season when things aren't where you want them to be. I mean, that is the Penske way, right? When you look at the guys that are here at Team Penske, it's the same ones, the majority of them have been here since I got here, and even a lot before that. So you hear Roger talk all the time about, about, human capital and how important it is to have the right people in the right places.

And, you know, unfortunately, sometimes it doesn't always clicking or winning all the time, but we do know that we have very smart, dedicated, committed people that, that care about this race team, right? And I think you can never put enough value on somebody that just cares enough to want to stay faithful to this race team and ultimately win, right? And we know that. And, you know, a lot of that comes from Roger Penske himself, right? It's just, he's that type of guy.

He's the guy who's going to stick behind you. And he's going to push you, right? And he's going to have stern conversations and make sure everything's right because he wins, right? And that's the expectation. But he also is the type of leader that, you know, is going to be in the pit with you, right? Fighting to try to figure it out instead of pointing fingers and, you know, throwing axes of people and tell him we get out the door and we're going to make replace. and all that. He knows, you know, we got good people here and we work together to make

sure we win. Well, man, I hope you do win. We've enjoyed watching this past weekend and I got you going way far down in the final four there, man. So there we go. Have fun chasing that. Thanks good. Thanks for your time today. We know you're busy, Joey, and we'll see you the racetrack. All right. Thanks having me on. See you see you, man. All right, man. Hey, great conversation with Joey there. You told Joey he was going far. You didn't tell him who you had winning, though. Well, you know, I wanted to end the conversation on the high note. Come on. I want to poke the air in the other blue.

Yeah, so good to hear from Joey. Good to hear a little bit of an understanding about his, you know, his understanding of why, you know, when Larson gets loose, where the car takes the right and goes straight on in the wall. Man, it's just a, you know, sounds like that it's an inevitable situation, not something that's easy to correct. And yeah, just he's a cool guy, man. He's fun to talk to.

And it is fun to kind of hear the culture and the approach of Penske and how they operate. We get to learn a little bit about that. Let's quickly before we move on from racing entirely, wanted to talk about the Xfinity race. There was a move at the end that Corey Hine. made a move he didn't make. Yeah.

Right. Chandler Smith wanted to help both those guys are in Toyota's. And Chandler assumed, you know, that, you know, he might get the help from Corey considering the manufacturer similarity. We saw this same thing with Retzlaff and Kyle Bush, right? Colleague in RCR, same track, same situation. Oh, yeah. You know, you had A.J. Amendinger and the colleague guys, and then Austin Hill in the 21,

they were arguing about this very same thing a couple years ago about who should have helped who in those last final moments. But listen, man, Corey Heim was making a move to win the race in turn two and got into the fence a little bit there. him and Austin were battling for the same piece of asphalt. And so I have to say, man, the guys, it's kind of like Parker, to your point, at Daytona, Parker, Parker was trying to win the race. Parker might have won the race. What if, you know, if he gets around there and wins that race at Daytona in the cup race,

completely different. We're not talking about that. Yeah, we're not talking about it. Same thing for Corey. Corey had did everything he needed to do. and you know Chandler Smith has got a full-time ride Corey does not have a full-time ride

and so I mean he's trying to do things to set himself apart and get himself those opportunities and I can't blame the kid when the drivers are out there on the race I'm an owner I can tell these guys what I want them to do but when they're out on that racetrack they're going to make their own choices for better or worse and yes, you can go back and say,

well, I think you should have did this, should have done that. But, again, Corey's making the pass for the lead in turn two. That was, he did what he needed to do to put himself in a position to win. And so, you know, I think that that was a pretty interesting moment. And, you know, I think Chandler, as much Chandler wanted that help, I think Chandler would have to realize, you know, if he was in Corey's situation, he would have been a little bit selfish as well, right? And so, yeah, that was pretty interesting.

I was there at the race, got to watch our guys run. We had a pretty rough day at Junior Motors Sports for a lot of reasons. I had a really, really fast car with Justin Allgaier and just, you know, running a little bit too tight down the back straight away with contact and got her flat tire. but in the one car had a little issue off four, wasn't clear. He had a pretty decent car as well.

So it was a tough day, but enjoyed being there. And yeah, we're moving on. We're going to Bristol soon. I just sat in my car. Oh. And so that's ready. How's it feels? It feels great.

Feels the same. I got weighed at Atlanta, and I could lose a few pounds. I'm still. under 190, but, uh... No, but you, don't you want to be a little heavier for the way in? Never. Never. No, I don't care about that. I mean, I think

it's... The competitor in you. But no, I think it, so I'm, I'm, I'm probably best at, like, 178 to 182, and I'm 188. And so... It's fitting, 88. It's a good number. Yeah, I'm 188. Oh, that's what I was... I weighed at... That is a sign. I waited... That is a sign. Yes. So you go, I didn't, I'm not, I'm not, that's not my scale wade at home. I went to Atlanta

and I weighed and I took a they make you take this neurological test and they you know they have to take it every year. Like what? Like a baseline? It's a little game on an iPad but it gives you a baseline. Like for like concussions or something like that? Yeah.

Yeah. And so to make you a better to make you a better ninja. But yeah you take this fruit for us so we'll see if you can drive this car. So you take that test and then you get on a scale, they strip you down to your underwear. And, yeah, so I was a little heavy, but I

hopped in that car, felt good, belts are all good. How are the nerves, though? The nerves are all right. You know, I will probably get really nervous. I've yet to see, here's the thing. So, like, how many cars will enter? Like, if there's even the slid. lightest possibility of missing the race.

I qualifying. Yeah. Things start to get a little shaky. I get nervous. And so I will know probably what the entry list is like that week on a Monday or, yeah, on Monday or so.

And if there's no threat of getting, you know, I know I should make the race no matter how many cars enter. But if there's like the chance that someone has to go home, then I get really, really nervous about qualifying. And once qualifying's over, it's easy.

I mean, it's not easy, but it's easier on me emotionally. The biggest stress of like, I'm going to be in the race. Now I can almost control. Right. Let's get it going. Let's have some fun. Let's run. Let's just run our race and have fun.

But I remember everything about last year's race. I remember we fired off. And, man, the first probably 40 laps, I wasn't really that impressed with my car. I had Jeremy Clements right behind me, man. He was putting a little pressure on me early. And I was thinking, you know, all right. You know, this is going to be tougher and I thought. And but as the race went on, I started finding a little bit of grip.

And as the track took rubber, I guess, other guys started getting tight and slowing down. And I don't know, it just seemed like our car improved. And we had a little more pace and a little more speed. And we went from like a 15th place car when the green flag dropped. to a 10th place car, then we got track position. It was good. But I think if I had not had the fire, we would have probably run second to Justin. I don't know.

I think I might have been able to get by the 10, which I think was Hemrick. Was he trying to 10 or 11? But he was up there. He had stayed out. And so I think I might have been able to get by him. It would have been tough. But being the 7 at the end of the race, we're going to be pretty even. and trying to run somebody down

that's running the same speed of you is literally impossible. But anyways, we're taking the exact same car. We took that car. Oh, really? Yeah, we took that car, brought it back here. So they decided that they would build me my own car. And I would just leave my seat in it and everything in it.

They wouldn't have to, they could just, I would race it. They push it over in the corner, get it back out, race it again when I'm ready. And so this is last year's car. They took it apart and sandblasted everything, put the whole car back together, but it's basically, hopefully it will go back there and run just as well. So we'll see. I'll be there, so I'll be rooting you on.

I'm looking forward to it. Watkins Glen, they had a tire test recently. And this was something that stood out to me. I find this hard to believe. But they had a tire test at Watkins Glen, and the fall off was something they were looking for. And the tire that they're going to use is, quote, from Goodyear, extremely aggressive with four seconds of fall off over the course of a tire of a fuel run. I love it. I find that hard to believe. Reddick confirmed that on Action's detrimental. It was after Nashville. Yeah. I believe it happened,

but I find it hard to believe that will be what we see. With more rubber, laid down, different temperatures. I will be paying attention. I think we all should because this, you know, if this tire falls off four seconds, then, you know, the drivers, hopefully they get out and go, man, I love this. And then they can try to take this idea

and this approach to not only other road courses, but obviously to the short tracks. But it's extremely aggressive, and they found a way to create a tire that falls off four seconds. Incredible. I'm optimistic. I will believe it. You're optimistic. I'll believe when I see it.

All right. It's time for Dirty Modeau. All the bets that we made last week. We're going to find out... Sorry? Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Tim's went to Atlanta last week with all his bets to see if he could get some look.

I wonder we had a predictable winner. We did. Kind of, right? Yeah. So talk about what you laid down. What didn't work? We had this nice strategy to, it was a can't lose strategy, really.

Corey LaJoy to finish over 14 and a half, and then you bet Corey LaJoy top 10. If you structured it right, you could have made money. As long as he didn't finish 11th through 14. Yeah. He finished 15th, so he cashed out. Damn. Did well.

Nice. Yeah. You bet him to finish top 10. Yes. So you lost that part. Lost that part. But if you structured it right, the over 14 and a half bet, you still made money in the aggregate because of it.

Wow. You bet on the margin of victory. Yeah. That was a learning lesson because we were trying to see if it was under caution what would the- What would happen? Yeah. It would avoid the bet.

It does not void the bet. Like 1-1-1-thousand to like 5 tenths. Jeez. Yeah. All right. And Dirty-Mo Doe also, I see. all you, I guess we could talk about next week. What's the, what's the approach? Well, there's some guys of road course ringers that you can, you can definitely attack on. You know,

I think this is kind of where, I know Lugano won last week, but you can really focus on the playoff guys. Like, for some reason, I think it's a Byron, Hamlin-Larsen type of race. All right. Yeah. Well, Hamlin's going to need a good one after this past weekend, sort of keep himself above water in the playoffs. I saw you bet. You bet the Monday night football game with the Jets and the 49ers. What was the bet? I bet the Jets plus three and a half, about four seconds after I heard Chris McCaffrey was out. Yep.

I bet that too. My dumb ass, I'm like, yeah, I haven't bet since the middle of summer. And I was like, I saw your bet, and I was like, I'll do it, whatever. So I made the bet, and then I forgot about the bonus. I saw you had the bonus. It's 50%. Yeah. And so I was like, well, I'll go back and bet that again with the bonus.

bonus. I forgot to bet it the first time with the bonus, so I went and re-bet it. And man, we got killed. Yeah, I doubled down too. So you did. Yeah, I did. Yeah, I always forget the bonuses. Yeah, that's the first thing I check in the morning is all the bonuses and then I'll figure it out later. Yeah. It's my routine. Yep. I need to get into that routine because I'll be making a lot of bets and forget to make the bonuses. They're there. They're free boosts and provided to you pretty much every day. There's a lot with football season now. Yeah. College and NFL, they're every day. It seems like there's something new. I'm excited.

I've got a little bit of money in a couple different accounts, and I've just, you know, just to play with and haven't done it and haven't really made bets in many, many months. We were cooking there for a while in the summer, early summer.

And then I got out of state and had got back on the wagon. Yeah, miss much. It's summertime's kind of like a lull for bed. All right. Well, we'll see. Maybe the NFL games will get me back in. I'll bring a cooler of beer

and come over here and maybe we'll do a, some bets on Thursday for the Thursday game. Yeah, that'd be awesome. That would be fun. Yeah. Was Mike Davis allow you all to drink on the job? Oh, yeah.

Okay. He does not. Bullshit. He's not bad about it. Yeah. He seems. Yeah. He's like, yeah.

I think he might frown upon that. No. Well, I mean, like, he's not like, you know, you can't just crack a beer at any time. What about Tiff? Would Tiff come in there and have a problem with you guys having a beer on? It's probably have one with us. Yeah. Okay.

What time on Thursday? Just any time on Thursday. I don't know. Oh. I have to look at my schedule. Really? I guess I can look at it. I mean, right here.

Let's see. I think it means a lot coming from me. I didn't get a shit Thursday. Oh, all right. I might actually. I'll be here right after lunch. All right. Perfect.

Perfect. Sounds good. See there. All right. See you. So that's Dirty Mo Doe and Tampa Tim's. Dirty Moe out every Thursday here on the Dirty Mo Media platforms. Steele of Tart and the gang will give you all the best bets coming up for every weekend.

They have a lot of fun, and hey, Alex has not bankrupt himself. So they're obviously making some great bets. Making some good bets out there. And just having a little fun. Just having a little fun, man. All right. Is it time for the white flag? for the white flag.

White flag. All right, dropping Sunday after the race to tear down with Jeff Gluck and Jordan Biaki, they cover everything from Atlanta. And they talk to charters. Those guys, I mean, honestly, when it comes down to it, we have a lot of fun here.

I feel good about our show. But I mean, their thoughts and opinions, they're so, so smart. Yeah. Now, you know, they do disagree with each other and they do take different sides of the argument, but they're right there, feet on the ground, post race, coming fresh off of the most recent drama and occurrences.

And I would not, if I was a hardcore fan, I just would not miss the tear down. The tear down is the T up. It's sort of the recap and the T up. I mean, before NBC took over, that was my post-race show, basically. That is the perfect baton from one race to the next race week. and those guys are doing an amazing job.

Action is detrimental with Danny Hamlin. Another must listen to show, especially when Denny's in the playoffs and doing unnatural things with his strategy. Unnatural. And he's in the middle of this crazy drama with the Charter. Just dramatic.

And so we're just, we just love listening to Denny. Try to tell us all about that stuff, man. Door bump are clear. Dropped yesterday as well. And hopefully they didn't try. to ruin another driver's week like they did. We have a question of the week.

They have a driver they're going to ruin every week. Yeah. It's a fun little segment on the show. Ruin their career. Justin Haley. Yeah, it was Bowman last week. His is going to be this week.

Man, they've torched him. It was unfortunate. It was unfortunate. They went live on YouTube yesterday. It was a big day for them. It was a little terrifying. But they did great. They did a fantastic job.

Didn't torch anybody's career? No, no, no, okay. All right. So I give them guys a hard time. But that was a little close. Man, Bowman's my guy. Mm-hmm. Right. So Speed Street with Conner Daily and Chase Holden. IndyCar Championship this weekend. It's going to be a big one. Geez. Yeah. All right. The information on your sheet is incorrect, so don't. Yeah. Connor's been back in the field here for a couple weeks now.

And it's been fun to see him smiling, having, you know, having a steering wheel. his hand he's living his dream right so speed street drops again hear what connor has to say not only about his um his situation in the racing he's doing but also as we finish out the year for indy car um what a great schedule they have they're already ending their year my goodness um seems like it's you know so many months of racing left i know yeah tomorrow's uh guest is zach brown that's big um from the zach brown band i'm excited i'm excited to talk country music. Chicken fried. All that. Their great albums.

Goodbye in her eyes. Yeah. Oh, colder weather. Yep. Colder weather is so good. Oh my gosh. That'll fire you up. This is so stupid. Yep. They did, yeah. They did some really good covers too. Oh, yeah. That's basically their entire concert.

But, unfortunately, if you're, unfortunately, if you're Zach Brown fan from the Zach Brown band, we're going to have a different Zach Brown on the show. But he will still be singing. Don't worry. Performing all of their hits. Zach Brown is going to cover Zach Brown band. Z-A-K

dot Z-A-C-K. Zach Brown from the McLaren outfit is going to be, I say the outfit because they're racing everything. So, yeah, I'm joking. Zach Brown from McLaren's going to be our guest tomorrow. They've, they're making an announcement

Was it made? Yes, it was made. Larsen's running the double. By the time this is out, yeah. All right. And not only that, but I mean, the guys got his hands in a lot of different pots. And I'd like to, he owned, you know, one of dad's race cars from back in 1984, the Monte Carlo that he raced for Richard Childers. He owned at one point this car sitting on the other side of this glass, the old Nova.

Oh, did he really? Yes. He had ownership of that. that car at one point. Wow. That's amazing. And so, yeah, there's a lot there I want to talk to with Zach Brown. Where did this guy come from? What was his story?

How did he get into the position to be over all of this? And tell us what is McLaren, right? You know, McLaren, to me, is different than a traditional manufacturer as I know it. Explain McLaren and its history and the rich history behind that and what that means to him. So it'll be a different topic, different conversation than what we're used to, and I can't wait to talk to him. It's going to be awesome. That'll be a great interview. Also, let's move on.

DJD Reloaded with Asht Jr. and Moore will drop Thursday as well as Dirty Modo that we mentioned earlier. A new episode of Andrew Curlin went there. One of the most awkward names for anything. I'll go there. It fits. It's just a strange thing. I do not want to, I don't want to name, I don't want the person that came up with that idea to be named.

I think the only awkward part for, the only awkward part for me is saying the name. Is the person that came up with that name in the room? No. Okay. I do not want that person named. It's not fair. It's not fair to them.

Andrew Curlin went there. Where did he go? All over. Sounds like, it sounds like, It sounds like the result of hide and go seek. You know. He went there. There he is.

Is it like, where's Waldo? Kind of, yeah. Oh, yeah. Where's Andrew Curlin would have been in a better name for this show? It's a missing poster. That's all it is. A wanted side. A lot of time.

A wild carton. We got a good bit here because Alex is laughing. Oh, that's. I'm enjoying this. He's a big deal. He's been a big deal. He's paying attention. Somebody is going to be very mad at me,

but I won't know who that is. Yes, but we're not going to name and names, right? We've got... We're not going to name any names. We've got the YouTube video for Media Day that's coming out later this week. This will be fun for me to go up into the Dirty Moe Media Room and try to see who's giving me the cold shoulder. And then I will go, you must have named the show. That's it.

I'll be up there today and I'll be like, God, that person seems pissed at me. That must be who named the show. That'll be going through my head. That's the way my head works. All right. Weird. Dalton, you've got social media standout.

Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, no, we didn't. A new episode of Where is Andrew Curlin from NASCAR Media Day is out now on the next level YouTube page. It's coming out. Well, it's coming out. I didn't finish the whole read. I started joking about the name and didn't get to tell people that it's an episode of you at Nescor Media Day talking to all the drivers.

I saw NASCAR. I saw some of these clips. They're really good. Yes. It was a lot of fun. Andrews that you were the favorite. Andrew. I gave you a fucking hard time.

All right. And sometimes I know you don't know how to take me. You don't know when I'm joking and when I'm not. I'm always joking. Okay. That's good to know. But I got to say that the work you're doing with this show, where's Andrew Curlin?

It's so good. It's good. Andrew Curlin somewhere. Yeah. But I saw some clips from this recent, where's Andrew Curlin, and I really like it. And it's pretty funny. You're talking to the drivers at NASCAR Media Day. It's out soon. Clips are out now, but yeah. Next level. Go to the next level YouTube page. Next level with Andrew Curlin. That's right. Right. Dalton has our weekly social media standout. All right. We had fun last week with the Tripto Lowe's, that whole argument, right?

So someone commented and said, this is a true story. with a question mark. They said they sent their now ex-husband to Lowe's to get a square princess pink pillow for their daughter. Sent him in there pre-app so you couldn't find it. So they let him buy a cellular phone from home and the ex had to ask people in the store where to find these pillows. The joke is they don't exist.

So they sent him in there as a prank and he had to go up to someone who works at and be like, where's your princess pink pillow at? Oh my God. What in the hell? That's awesome. Yeah, so that came from Megan. Megan, that's a good story. That's great.

I would go, if I was given this task, I would absolutely not be asking anyone where this pillow is. I would search that fucking store that took me five hours. I would know where everything is in that store. I would search that store and I would eventually learn on my own that it did not exist. Give me a red vest. I would be out of that store and no one would be none the wiser. Hours later.

Can't find it. Meanwhile, if I was in that situation, I would be home in about 20 minutes. And embarrassed. Because I would ask a person. That sounds like a great episode for Where's Andrew Curlin? Coming to Lowe's? Asking for Stowe's.

I'm just changing the name now. Andrew Curlin went there. Where Lowe's? I'm changing the name of the show right here right now. Wow. I'm standing on this hill. I'm standing on this hill. I'm standing on this hill.

I love it. You're dying on this hill. I'm standing on it, not dying. Oh, you're not. Nope. Because you're going to survive the battle. You've got the high ground. Nice.

There's an ad for that. All right. Question of the week is from Chase Briscoe. This is from Media Day. Oh, boy. And he came up to me, he felt pretty bad. Oh, God. Yeah, I'll ask him how cold it was in the doghouse.

I texted him yesterday. I said, hey, let me know if you need me to send over some blankets. I said, I know it can be cold in there. He got me. So, yeah, Amy, I started playing the new NCAA-25 on Xbox with T. T.J. Majors in a new league that he's got going on with a bunch of guys. and been playing a little bit too much. A little bit too much playing.

Not enough fathering and husbanding. And so we had a conversation at the house. We come to an understanding. And now we were on this, we were, Amy and I were interviewing Briscoe. And he goes, you're going to join the Madden League? Now, you know, she's like, wait, what? There's more.

So, um. Ah. It's good. Everything's good. Everything's all right. Everything's fine. Blink twice. You need help. Oh, you just did. No, we're good. We're good. All good. I will go there. I will help you out. Andrew Crileham will go there. I'm telling you right now, man, if I had my way, so, like when, like when this is the thing, so when a new game comes out that I'm interested in, I want to play it, I would play it every minute of the day. I would abandon all responsibilities

and I would play this game and then in about a week or two I would be able to then dial it back to what is satisfactory in my household what fits into my household and everything else going on but God that first couple of weeks I'm like Jones and thinking about it every second

and I'm like get them teeth brushed get in the bed come on hurry up let's go let's read this book let's go come on sweet dreams Come on, sweet dreams. Good night. See the morning. Yeah. And I'm thinking...

She was great. The end. All right, go on. Yeah. And then I go down there and I play and then I kind of creep up to bed about midnight, try not to wake Amy up. And this is like what? This is the cycle.

Every day. This is the thing. Until I'm finally about two weeks in, I'm like, all right. I'm not just... Ben time stories. Once upon a time, there's an assistant head coach at UNC Charlotte. Oh, you know what's something else? I don't know if this will make the show.

Are any of y'all a fan of old sitcoms or shows really old? I don't know. I don't know what old is. Like I love Lucy old? No, not that old. That's probably too far. Like Seinfeld? I watch Seinfeld all the time.

There you go. Okay. All right. So I like, I have a lot of things like that that I like Seinfeld was great, the office, all of those, right? I could sit down and pop an episode of The Office of Friends. It's kind of like a comfort show. Yeah, easy.

I used to watch Dallas. This was more of a drama. Yeah. You know, one-hour drama. Come on late at night. They ran up against her with Dynasty and Knox Landing at a bunch of these old historic shows that had these really great runs, right?

Well, Dallas with Gene Hackman, or I think it's Hagman. Maybe I got that wrong. I think his last name's Hagman. But JR is the lead character. Me, I like that show so much. that when I was a roommate with a friend of mine back when I just started racing in the Xfinity series like 9899, it came on like TBS or something every day, and they ran it like, and we would watch it.

We would sit down and watch reruns of Dallas every day and try not, you know, we didn't want to miss the next, you know, we were, we were hooked. And so I just always thought that show was classic. Amy from Texas Had never seen an episode And this past A couple nights ago We sit down and watch

The first three episodes ever Of Dallas And she was She was like This is so horrible It's good It's like it's so bad It's good

She's like I love it It's terrible I love everything about it Right exactly Yeah Some of those are the best When you're like I can't stand this

But I can't get enough Yeah And we are hooked And I think we're gonna We're gonna I think my goal I think is to watch the entire catalog of Dallas

with Amy. Now it might take us a while. But, you know, instead of the traditional like, hey, there's two seasons of this awesome show on Netflix, all my friends are talking about, let's watch these two seasons in the next week. We're going on a Dallas run.

All right. Yeah, we're going back. We're going to park the modern stuff. I'm going to pull out this old vintage television show. I wouldn't even call it a sitcom. I don't think it is. I think it was a drama.

That's what we're doing. That's what we're doing. Nice. It was Larry Hagman. Larry Hagman. There you go. God, he's good. The whole show.

Victoria Principal. All that. Never seen it. Pretty awesome. Yeah, I mean, it's probably not going to be your company. You would watch it and go, this is, I'm not into it. But once you start to kind of get hooked in the storylines and the bad, you know, the badness.

The badness? Things that's happening. Yeah. You're kind of like, oh, man, I got to see. What happens? Yeah, I got to see what happens with this deal that's happening. But, man, it gets so good. Dallas ran from 78 to 91.

Damn. It's like 400 episodes. Insane. Yes. You're going to have a lot of episodes to kill. I can't wait until we get to the Who Shot JR part. Yeah. That was like the peak.

That was peak Dallas. Man, they had a, they shot J.R. And that was a cliffhanger. So that's a spoiler. to the, and then it went to the offseason right, and we weren't going to learn who shot him until the next season fires up. And I'm going to tell you, Andrew,

everyone out in that shop would be talking about it. At the water cooler. Yes. Who shot J.R. They had shirts. Who shot J.R. Wow. Google it.

See what pops up. It's a very, it was a very big moment in, because there were only three channels, right? There wasn't much shit on TV. Wasn't like the day where you got all these channels and all these shows. screaming and all that. Yeah.

Like, I have the answer. I know who shot him. Okay. I'm just saying, but like, it's, it's so,

it was such a profound moment in network television that you can Google it now and see that it was quite the deal. There are a bunch of shirts out there. Yeah. It was a thing. Who shot J.R.

Who shot J.R. Or I shot J.R. Whatever, you know, the shirts. Hell yeah. Let's send the show. That's great way to do it. Yeah.

All right. To the. in next week to find out a new shot, J.R. Yeah, right, right. Y'all take it easy. We'll see. Check out Dirtymo Media on Twitter, Facebook, TikTok, and Instagram.