The Dale Jr. Download - Are We All Road-Coursed Out Yet?

Episode Date: August 13, 2025

Dale Earnhardt Jr. is fresh off a weekend in New York, and he’s back on Dirty Air with TJ Majors to unpack all the chaos from Watkins Glen. They’re hitting every big headline, including:• Is it time to kill overtime finishes in Trucks & Xfinity?• Connor Zilisch vs. SVG — who was in the right?• Austin Hill comes back and makes noise• Brad Keselowski’s not happy with Carson Hocevar• Why Chris Gabehart might be Ty Gibbs’ secret weapon• Does the NASCAR Cup Series really need fewer road courses?• Plus — race winner Shane van Gisbergen calls in to give his side of the wreck and what’s next for him in NASCAR And in this week’s Ask Jr.:• Dale’s got a CARS Tour race coming up this weekend• How he’d handle the Richmond/Kyle Busch deal differently• The brand-new Buster book And for more content check out our YouTube page: https://www.youtube.com/@DirtyMoMediaDirty Mo Media is launching a new e-commerce merch line! They’ve got some awesome Dale Jr. Download merch on the site. Visit shop.dirtymomedia.com to check out all the new stuffFanDuel: Must be 21+ and present in select states (for Kansas, in affiliation with Kansas Star Casino) or 18+ and present in D.C. First online real money wager only. $5 first deposit required. Bonus issued as nonwithdrawable bonus bets which expire 7 days after receipt. Restrictions apply. See terms at sportsbook.fanduel.com. Gambling Problem? Call 1-800-GAMBLER or visit FanDuel.com/RG. Call 1-888-789-7777 or visit ccpg.org/chat in Connecticut, or visit mdgamblinghelp.org in Maryland. Hope is here. Visit GamblingHelpLineMA.org or call [phone] for 24/7 support in Massachusetts or call 1-877-8HOPE-NY or text HOPENY in New York.Consumer Cellular: New customers get a $5 credit on first five monthly invoices. Visit https://savings.consumercellular.com/DJD for details. Check out Dirty Mo Media on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@DirtyMoMedia  Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Honestly, I was, one of my best bets was going to be just bet Joe Gibbs to win. It's probably not going to be like crazy. Unfortunately, 88 years old doesn't drive a race car. Oh, whoa. Sorry. Come on. But I mean, Briscoe was outrunning all of them. I'm a dad.

Had to say it. The following is a production of Dirty Mo Media. I'm still sour, man, that I wasn't your best man at your wedding. When will you start mentally like getting ready for the race? Can you not tell I'm mentally ready? Travis has some dumb ideas, but I agree with them on this one. It doesn't sound like you know what you're talking about. You haven't scratched the surface yet, no boy.

I mean, what the fuck do you won't? I just think the last few laps, it was just like stop every time. You're picky. This ain't walking in and have it your way, motherfucker. All right? This ain't Burger King. Travis is like, fucking wrapped us up. They don't have no fun around you.

All right, everybody. It's time again for another. Dale Jr. Download, and I'm here with my co-host, T.J. Majors. And, yeah, we got a lot to talk about. Big weekend in western New York or central New York, whatever you want to call it. Well, this past weekend in the Glen. The Glen, Finger Lake area. Yeah, got a lot going on. Yeah, the Glenn was something. And we're going to talk about it. One of the things a buddy of mine said, and this is, we'll start off on a high note, on a positive note. Travis, good to see you. Morn?

Is that the high note? No. No, but it's nice to see Travis. My friend of mine, Tim Dugger, who was playing concert inside the racetrack, he has played concerts at all the tracks. And by the way, Tim's got some new music on the way that's fucking good. He plays at them too, doesn't he? Sorry, sir?

I think he plays some of the new music at these concerts. I would hope so. That's just fucking... Well, I mean, I didn't know if he was releasing it. That is his main profession. He never puts out the new stuff. I don't know if you wait to play new music. It just covers.

Fans, I got new music. Can't hear it today, though. It does me no good sometimes to sit here and bicker with you, buddy. But a lot of people know Tim plays a lot of the racetracks. Lots of racetracks. Michigan every year. Talladego a lot of times. Yeah, if you've been out to a track, more than likely he was playing there.

Friday or Saturday night. He's played, so he's played all these tracks, and he's a partier. He raised some hell. So he's a good judge of, you know, what tracks are the,

are the rowdiest? And he feels like the Glenn set a new, new standard. I saw some images from his concert, and it looked big. Yeah. Hey, I'll say this.

I mean, you know, say what you will. Tim does play in a lot of different racetracks, but he's a great entertainer. If you haven't seen his show in person, keep you damn mouth shut. If you have, you know what I'm talking about. So it's, he's a good entertainer and puts on a good show. And when he goes, you know, all the people like when his crowd at Michigan was incredible,

he'll send me photos of him standing on stage in the crowd, you know, in the crowd out in front of him. And it's frigging cool that those kind of things are going on at the racetrack kind of adds to the race weekend. But I know that Watkins Glen is rowdy. I know they have been for years. And I mean, I used to hear stories back in the day of, you know, on a Friday night before, you know, we're going to qualify on Saturday back in, you know, 2000s. Shrader, Sterling, Marlin, maybe Dale Jarrett, a couple other guys would hop on golf carts and just ride through the infield. And you know, they were just goofing off a little bit, maybe having a couple beers.

But they'd ride through the infield and when you, you know, kind of the same way we might do at Talladega. Everybody on a Friday night would say, man, we're going to take a lap through the boulevard because you just got to go see it. Yeah, right? For sure. You hear about it and you hear about how wild things get and crazy things get. You just got to go see it.

And the campers, as in the people, they get creative on their business. builds and, you know, some guys will come in there with a lot of wood and lumber and build out a bar and the whole, you know, and all of the infield is welcome to like come hang out and belly up to that bar. It's like a community. Yeah. And then they'll leave a son here. And, you know, the track has to take care of it, which is hilarious.

But he says that the glen might be top of the heat now in terms of the rowdiest party. So there you go, Watkins Glen. You know, always, when I was younger, I always thought that those, those sort of polls, you see them in Maxim magazine and all those kind of guy magazines. FHM. Yeah.

The biggest partying school, you know. And I remember being like, they said East Carolina was one of the wildest college schools. And I'm like, damn right, man. That's Carolina. Yeah, home folks. Yeah, our team's winning.

But so that's, you know, now it's race tracks. I'm 50 and now it's race track. Anyhow, the Glenn is a place to raise some hell. And we got to celebrate that. Congratulations, Watkins Glen. They love their race in there, man. Yeah. So just a quick conversation.

We're going to go through a lot of things about this past weekend. I also challenged TJ and Travis to come up with five points of emphasis. Emphasis that are conversations that are going on around social media. What are the five sort of biggest storylines right now? What are the things people are talking about the most? And I've got some ideas myself and we're going to see where everybody lands. One of the things that I did put in the notes was overtime finishes. You know, we had, I unfortunately did not see the finish to the truck race, but I heard about it.

I guess it took an hour to run the last 10 laps. Oh, it took forever. All right. I'm a, I'm a Xfinity series owner. And when you get an overtime finish, you're not sitting there going. You're not safe. Oh, hell, yeah. Yeah.

So, look, I know the fan, I can't see it from the fans' perspective. So forgive me, if I don't share the same opinion. as a core fan of the sport. And I'd be interested to really know how the fans really feel about it. I think in a lot of these little conversations we're going to have today, we're going to say, hey, if I was in charge, right?

If I was in charge, I would this. If I had the reins of the sport, I would do X or Y and Z. So we all have that opportunity today. Travis, T.J. And so overtime finishes. If I was in charge, I would not have over time. overtime finishes in Xfinity or truck.

I don't think it serves any real purpose other than presenting more opportunities to crash and tear up more stuff. The race cars and the trucks, those are 150 to $250,000 vehicles. Expensive. They are. And I think we lose sight of that. from, I think globally or just from a 40,000 foot view, I think we just become numb to, well, you know, you don't, when you see a crash, you just see the entertainment aspect of it or the drama

of it or the, you know, you just see the, the quick pop of emotion from the accident and either you're entertained, sad, happy, whatever that your guy made it through. But no one really thinks anymore like, damn, that. That was, you know, a couple million dollars where the equipment got destroyed like it in, you know. And so I think that for the long term good, we may, I would get rid of overtime finishes in truck and Xfinity. And sometimes races just end under caution. And I know that that's a hard thing for a lot of fans to grasp. They've paid to come see the race.

They want to see it. They feel entitled or deserving of seeing a race across the line. And I understand that. And I think we can have that in the Cup Series because those drivers make less mistakes. They are more elite. They're not going to, in most cases, destroy themselves or the whole field racing in overtime finishes. Do you have something, though, if you do in the Cup's race? We've had some Cup Series races that have gotten pretty messy.

I know that is going to happen even without overtime finishes. Rex and wrecks at the finish of these rates, there's going to be big wrecks in the middle of these races. That's going to happen. And I think there's a compromise. Me personally, I don't love overtime finishes at all. I loved a race to end at the design time. Yeah, we've had plenty of them like that. It's 400 miles.

It ends at 400 miles. I'm very traditional, but I'm, understand not everybody feels that way. I understand that the fans that are going to invest themselves into the entire weekend may deserve at least one attempt at an overtime finish, right? So there's some middle ground there that we could all land on. I think everybody would be happy with. But I believe just for the trucks and the Xfinity, they could remove them entirely. In most cases, the truck and Xfinity are a companion event to the Cups series, and it's a proving ground, a learning process for young drivers, mechanics, engineers, and all those. And it's not a

place where we need to be piling up and destroying half of the field in the last handful of laps in the name of entertainment. And so, you know, I, this conversation pops up every couple of times a year. And I feel like we really need to move on it. I think that it's time to say, you know, maybe this is just not what we need to be doing at them, at those lower series, right? And I own a series too, right? And I'll say that, you know, I don't know that I love everything about the protocols or the way we do things in the short track arena. And there's always a way to do things better. There's always a next year to try to change something that maybe wasn't working as well as you thought it would.

during the previous year, right? And so I'm open to being malleable and as a series owner. And so I can see how, you know, I just, that's what I would do. I would get rid of it altogether in the trucks and Xfinity. Getting rid of overtime finishes in the Xfinity series, I couldn't. The savings for our team would be in the hundreds of thousands of dollars. I look at it to some of them guys that piled into that big wreck on the backstretched next Finney series. That might have been some of them guys, Portland car and Roval car.

Now you got, and who knows what they got, what they got left in their shop now. And now they got to build another car or if they don't even have one to go to these next two races like that. And I mean, it can be prevented. I feel like also you're trying at that level to find out who the best drivers are. And if you are having all these cautions, the people that are winning aren't always going to be the best drivers. So if you allow it to end at the defined number, then you're going to get the drivers that are winning that should be winning and showcasing their talents more.

Yeah, so I guess I don't know. I mean, on paper, I agree with you. Like if you show me the rundown, I'm going to, you know, it's going to look more like something you would expect as a, in comparison to the rundown after you've destroyed all the trucks after several green white checkers, right? Yeah, the rundown order changes and it might not reflect, you know, the true competitiveness of the series. But I just feel like that in it, the, I don't believe that a young driver learns a good habit.

Oh, it's terrible habits. I think the, I think that the young drivers actually learn bad habits. Mm-hmm. Because they get away with stuff. Well, they learn. I think as a, I think I as a young driver, right, if I'm in the truck series or the Finney series and I'm trying to prove myself. I'm trying to stand out. It's chaos. The, you know, the, the green white checkers aren't about being professional and, and, and, and,

and having racecraft. They're about chaos. They're about take, they're about really just throw in caution to the wind and destroy, you know, putting your car and everything else at risk. and being okay that that car could get destroyed in this moment. And that's not, I don't, I don't know that we're, I don't know that young drivers are learning positive good habits out of green white checkers. And if anything, they're learning, their, their race craft is degrading by what they need and have to do and are forced to do in those scenarios. And so in a green white checking these feeney car, like I'm telling like with Carson,

I'm like, look Carson, you're going to have to be. be aggressive here because if you go into that first corner and you lift, someone behind you is not lifting and we're getting torn up. So you almost have to tell your guy to be more aggressive than what he should be because if you don't, you're going to get used up. Yeah. And it's not fun. It's not a good position to be in. Yeah. And I think that that has a, that sort of mentality has a place at the cup level once you are refined, once you're elite, once your race craft is, is top shelf. You can be trusted to be that aggressive, but also be smart and, you know, not destroy a $350,000 or $400,000 for 12th.

For 12th. Right. Yes. You're going to be smarter as opposed to how you may race in the truck series or have to race, how you may have, how you're forced to race in the truck or Xfinity series. It's a shit show. and I don't I just you know that's the one topic guys you guys got opinions one way or another I want to give you all an opportunity to I'll say that if you're saying the truck series the truck race you're running you're running 13th just going to come out of a solid day you pitil it you got a little bit

better tire something like that and you come down you get a green white checker next thing you know your ninth you run another one next thing you know your fifth now I've got a chance at winning my first truck race ever or exfini race whatever it is and are you willing you got the chief, everybody telling, hey man, you can win this race. Now, what am I going to do? If I got a shot to win that I normally don't, I'm going to get down there and probably try to move a guy out of the way and maybe tear myself up even more. And I think a lot of that, when you do these things, they just get worse every time. Because you, like you said, you cycle the running order and there's guys in them positions that weren't in there. And now they're like,

oh, they see blood in the water and they feel like they got to attack. And it just gets worse. I would compare this to boxing. So in the, let's say, um, a title. fight at the heavyweight level or any other weight classes 12 rounds or whatever right 10 12 rounds you're going to agree to that length of a match when you you know when you're coming up there there are three four rounds you know when you're when you're starting to fight as an amateur the fights are much shorter and i i think it's the it's they the governing bodies do that to protect the boxer and to protect the integrity of the of the match and you you work your way into the opportunity to write to have those those 10 12 round opportunities at the higher level and so

you know I don't know that what's good for the cup series is always good for the Xfinity or the truck series due to the youth and experience and problematic issues that kind of come with trying to have those green white checkers unlimited attempts, right? Yeah. And a lot of times it hurts because you have a great race, but then it's like, it's been an hour for the last 10 laps and it's taken away what the race had. Yeah, the race could be a really good race. And then that, you know, that carnage at the end sort of does give you a bad taste.

Yeah, I just feel like us as a society, all of us that are fans, have to sort of compromise with, look, you know, I want. I want my races to end under green, but maybe that's not something that I have to have in this series, right? Because again, man, I'm telling you. So you're saying that you want them to earn the right to have that opportunity? I just think NASCAR, listen, I think we have green white checkers because the fans demand it. Fans will tell you, I bought a ticket, give me a green finish.

NASCAR has delivered that. But I think as fans, we need to realize, all right, maybe I don't have to have it at this level because it's really not serving the series any good. It's not good for owners. It's not good for drivers. Nothing great is coming out of it other than fans that love the chaos. There are some fans that love that finish it at the truck race at the Glen. Those fans enjoyed it, right?

but maybe we all have to kind of compromise and maybe we always don't need to be getting everything we want. And so I just feel like for the better of the series long term that we could probably get rid of those at the truck and the Xfinity level. What do you think the drivers would say? Like if you went to Justin and... That's a good question. I think that they would probably all be more comfortable with one attempt.

And that's even something to discuss. You know, it's like, do we just dial it back to like, hey, it's one attempt. And if the one attempt fails, that's it. Well, Arka does, they do a green checker. They don't do a green white checker. I mean, it's a green checker next time by. So. I don't like that either.

And if a yellow comes out, it's over. Yeah. Well, I mean, that's a one attempt. But I mean, and also if the yellow comes out, the race is still over. But does that tell you like, hey, you know, I can't really going to hear record everybody because the yellow is going to come out and I'm locked. I think there was a time when we had, when we did only one attempt. But I just, you know, I think it's a conversation that we need to have and we need to take, we need, I think this is a conversation that is of importance.

You could tell me you're going to do it in all three series right now and I would be fine with it. I know you probably would. And, but a lot of fans, I think the Sunday ticket, I'm, I think you have to give them a chance. So, I mean, on the Sunday Cup ticket, and with the Cup drivers and their elite talent and ability, I trust them. to be able to do... To deliver. You know, to be able to orchestrate a green-white checkered and give a great result.

Now, the trucks and the Xfinity, those drivers are young and inexperienced on most cases. And the team owners, in most cases, aren't flush with a lot of cash. They're not really... I mean, yes, they own race teams, but you can't afford to build new race cars every week. Your race teams are budgeted,

to spend every dollar coming in. And you do budget for crash damage, but if you could know that, you know, hey, if you went to me and said, man, we're taking the overtime finishes out of Xfinity, and I knew year over year, over year,

over year, I'm going to be 500 grand or $800,000 in a better spot financially. Man, that really opens it up for me to accept this young driver, to drive my car for for less money. It opens up all kinds of opportunities to let me do things creatively to have other drivers be involved in my program.

It changes things financially for what it looks like to come in and drive our car. So it lets us do a lot of things that are neat and fun. So, you know, because I think honestly, if we didn't have overtime finishes, yes, I think a four-car Xfinity team, could save half a million dollars minimum.

I mean, when we wreck four cars at Daytona in the first race of the year, that's probably $400,000 to $600,000 in the hole we go immediately when that car, when that happens. And you think about like this past, you know, any of these races, how many cars are in a wreck, how much money you're saving it, that's employees, that's paying drivers, so many different things a team can do. Just think about the lower teams, though, man. you know what I mean it really hurts them yeah well yeah I mean they bad yeah they don't have body panels up on a shelf somewhere like BJ McLeod when he run his Xfinity team I would meet him

coming in the front door at junior emergency sports and he's over here looking at our stuff that we're going to scrap to see if it's any good for him to use body panels and pieces and stuff that maybe had a scuff or scratch and you know and he would he would he if he goes through a a if he has a car or two get destroyed in a green white checker, that's more boots on the ground. That's more labor-intensive time in his day that has to go out and seek out all this stuff to be able to repair what he needs to repair. Because he doesn't have all of those things laying in the shop floor to be able to put

this thing back together immediately. He may need to do more effort and time in his week to be able to regroup. And I bet a lot of those smaller teams don't. retool to the to the to the to the to the best of their ability to enter the next race at a hundred percent a lot of times they'll have to scrap together some old stuff or pull out a car that they haven't ran in a while to get through that weekend until they can get their best car better and back together the one they wrecked you know so it sets them back tremendously hey tj i like that phone is it new yeah i got got this awesome new phone i've recently joined the consumer's earlier

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entertaining honestly as it always is when we see these two going at it SVG was at a tire disadvantage. He'd stayed out, or he didn't take tires at the end of stage two to be able to get the track position. And I think one lap before the crash, he had just radioed to the team to basically say, hey, I don't know how much longer I can hold him off. He's just so much better. And this is probably, you know, 15 laps ago. It's not something I'm going to be able to do the whole race.

And so I think SVG was getting to a point to where he knew that. that at some point he was going to have he was going to get passed they um they come out of the carousel and SVG shaded to the left a little bit Connor had a run SVG's trying to protect the inside Connor has a run and goes to the outside into turn six which is the right side yeah if he can if he can stay there he's now the inside line to turn seven the final turn he couldn't stay there he gets wide out over across into the runoff. Wait, you mean that's not where you're supposed to be? Well, we'll talk about that as well.

We're going to talk about that later. So he's way wide on the runoff. SVG is still shading right. Pending him. We're going into turn seven, a right-hander. The traditional line in the track is to be able to get left, to be able to set yourself up for the entry. SVG has decided in that moment to shade to the right

to have a very shallow entry to turn seven and if what his hope is is that Connor will pull in behind him but Connor enters the track there is a car in a quarter there's enough room for Connor to get back on the track still be on the inside of SVG He's not going to pass him.

But he's not going to pass him. Well, Connor comes back on the track with a full head of steam. Connor can see easily where the nine car is. He can see him. He can see him. And Connor clips the right rear quarter panel of SVG. Rex the shit out of nine. Hard wreck.

Hard wreck. Yes, hard wreck. I would say that that that wreck was a result of, of them going lap corner after corner after corner and getting a little more and more aggressive with, I wouldn't call what SVG was doing is blocking. He was just really trying to take away. He's making a hard.

Opportunity in line. And he never threw like a Daytona, Talladega block, but he knows how to shade down the straightaway or be in a spot that makes really Connor's options limited. Not only is he really fast, but he knows how to play defense exceptionally well. He is very good.

Savvy. Very good. And the Connor coming back on the track and clipping him was avoidable. And, you know, I'm hope, it's my hope that down the road, as we're kind of seeing a replay of this right here. So Connor, they come out of the carousel.

SVG stays left. He's like, hey, Connor, if you want it, you're going to take the outside here, so Connor's going down. This isn't a bad spot for Connor. Connor's in a really good spot. He's in a really good spot. He's half a car length of the head.

He has to get out of gas through those rough bumps. And the clip, honestly, the clip wasn't as hard as I remember it in my head. In my head is like he just wrecked the shit out of him. But he comes back on the track and clips him. So to me, the thing starts, Connor messes up and overdrides the corner. Yep.

And then SVG, just drives off of him because Connor's got him halfway past. Connor's a half a car length of head into turn six. Yes, which is dominant. The guy on the inside can only do what you let him do. What Connor, listen, Connor and SVG are better road course racers than me.

So go ahead and park your comments about why am I giving these guys advice. I don't give you a lot of road course racing or erotic. But you are not as bad of what you say. I ran some pretty good races at the Glen. What I would like to say is, you know, it's... Toching. It was good hard racing, but it was avoidable for sure.

It was definitely avoidable. I thought in my mind, man, Connor just comes back on and wipes his ass out. Well, there's a head-on camera that shows... Right there, it's like, man, you know, Connor really is only... Collin really only did have like a car. And SVG is shading. SVG has some responsibility here because he is kind of shading hard right. Mm-hmm.

for a corner where you need to be hard left to be able to get into the entry. But he can't see Connor at that point. He can't. He doesn't know where he's at. The 21's where you need to be to be able to get into that corner. Remember these words, please. Why? Remember that position on the track for the next later on the show.

What? That's where you're supposed to be to enter the corner. But yes, you're right. I mean, SVG is not cutting him any slag. No, he's not. He's shading left to make, you know, the entrance for turn seven and, and Conner's options into turn seven, he's doing that, and he had been doing this for many laps, right, to try to make it hard for Connor to get around.

And he's doing it again. And Connor didn't cut him a break. Connor could have lifted. Connor could have got back behind. There's 15 laps in the race to go. This is like a last lap, last corner move. Move. For sure.

Right? Yep. And there were so many laps left in the race. And we would have been, we would have been. gifted more laps of these two guys trying to battle, which is... I think Connor gets him eventually. Oh, yeah, yeah. But my point is, it's like, and I don't expect, I don't expect the drivers to know this.

But if Connor says, all right, it ain't going to happen in this corner, I'm going to get behind him, or, you know, I'm not going to hit him here. If Connor were to give up the ghost on this moment, the sport, the industry, everyone else, gets more of this incredible battle. right, which is what we all deserve. And so... So let me ask a question. If you switch cars right here,

does SVG clip Connor? I don't think he does. No. And that's the difference in age. And look, Connor is incredibly fast, but he's still working on racecraft. Yeah.

You know, he's still working. He just, you know, when we started the season, he didn't know how to put a complete race together on the ovals. He figured that out. He adapted and evolved, and he's now become a guy. Last year he struggled doing that.

Well, he's now become a guy that you don't worry about him getting the car to the end for that. You know, he's got a win. You start to race with a winning car, and he's going to be there at the end with a winning car. You don't worry about that anymore. When we went into the first handful of races with him as an oval driver, you kind of worried that he's going to burn it off, overdrive it, make mistakes trying too hard. Right. Now, he's learned to dial it back and he's become a really complete driver. Complete driver.

Yeah. Minus instances like this. Yeah. And it's learned up. You learn from these. And there could be, there also could be a part of Connor. So we don't know everything about Connor.

We don't know Connor's, we don't know how Connor keeps score, right? In his head. This may just be who Connor's zilich is, right? This might not be. a young guy inexperienced to make a mistake. This may be

Connor saying you block you pay. That also might be the case where we might actually be realizing what he's willing, how he's willing to stand his ground in moments like this. Even against a teammate, I don't like it, right?

I don't like the nine car getting destroyed. I don't, I want SVG to have a great experience driving our cars I want SVG to want to want to do it again. Man, any car owner would love to have this guy behind the wheel of your car at the road courses. And so... I just don't, I think if you run this over again,

Connor just stays on the track right there and beats him into seven and then it's over. Listen, Connor's going to pass him at some point. I think Connor could have gave up the ghost in that corner and went back at it. But also, Connor's getting some pressure from the 21. Connor lost a position. to the 21, just a lap or two before this

and had to pass him back. Connor is going to say, I don't know what else I could have done. I can accept that as well. But I could also tell him, look, man, you could have let him live the corner. And he doesn't need to back into the wall and knock the damn deck lid off.

I don't think Connor sees teammates right here, just so you know. I mean, this isn't the first time this year. It's been a teammate. I agree. These two guys have a bit of a history that's already created through after Chicago. I walked up to Connor after Chicago.

I said, I didn't think he raced you as well as he should have. He used him up into term one, and I didn't like that. You know, but then you got to go over to SVG and Victor Lane and say, hey, thanks for driving my car and winning the race today. This is badass. When you look at the statistics and look at it on paper, it's going to say SVG Junior Motorsports. Yeah. And so. But SVG took really good care of him at Sonoma.

Well, I think, yeah, they did race well at Sonoma. He didn't. We don't know Connor's mind, though, if Connor's thinking he took care of me or Connor's still thinking, I kind of owe him one. He took care of Connor. But does Connor Sanoma think that? Yeah.

I think what my, uh, my final opinion on this is I think Connor could have let him live. We may be learning that Connor's not going to, Connor keeps, you know, Connor runs, uh, races with a, his own personal code of ethics. And that he was, you know, he did what he, needed to do. That'll be interesting to find out over the course of the next decade, you know, really is what type of driver Connor is in these situations. But, you know, I wish that they would have.

What about SVG? How does he view this? His interview, you can't tell from his interviews because his interviews are so nice about everything, but he can't be happy. No. I mean, that's the... Look how high the car goes in the air, right about... Yeah, he's not real happy.

No, I'm sure he isn't happy. No one would be happy. about this, T.J. The SVG is not happy about it. I mean, that's pretty clear that I don't think he's very pleased with getting turned around. But he was shading hard to the right. So, I mean, he bears some responsibility. I would put it on both of them. The nine's shading hard to the right. Connor could

a game of break. None of that happened. And that's what we, this is what we're left with. The one thing I will say is these two guys are going to push each other. They are going to, they're going to race like this on the racetrack, but I don't know that in terms of road course racing, there'll be two drivers that have more respect for each other in terms of ability. And I think the sport wins. I think fans win.

Like, if we're going to get this over the next, you know, handful of years, however long SVG wants to do it, right? Like, this is going to be a lot of fun for us to watch. Now, hopefully they don't all end this way. Hopefully it's only about three, four times a year. You know, you want less races. Road courses. Man, you're trying to get ahead of us here.

Sorry. Sorry. But anyways, I know this sucks. This sucks for me. This sucks to, it sucks to have one of your cars get wrecked by the other car. And then you're going to, you know, you're assuming, well, the 88's going to win. We're going to go to Victor Lane and celebrate. that.

I look at the people in the back of, man. There's people jumping up and down on their seat watching this battle. Like, this is incredible. I know. Watching these guys race is incredible. Yeah, it is. And I think we're all going to enjoy watching them go at it for years to come, and that's going to be a lot of fun.

At least they didn't take each other out right there in the third place car getting. Yeah. I mean, yeah, that's true. Well, it sucked. Not fun as an owner to be in a situation like that, but when I told, like I told Rick Hendrick after Indy, but when Larson and Justin crashed, when you build fast cars and put great drivers in them, sometimes they're going to hit each other. You'd rather them not do it, but it's just they're competitive and that's sometimes what happens.

All right. Connor Zillich was on door bumper clear. He talked in about his experience in Victory Lane. That was super scary. I don't want to go into this too much. I think it's been well covered. It was a very, very scary moment. And I couldn't be, I will say, you know, it was, I am amazed, honestly, when Connor come out of the hospital into the waiting room after getting released.

I could not believe from what we saw in Victory Lane that he was in such good shape. Now, you know, collarbone, you know, aside, that's not a great thing. But what you thought it could have been. Good Lord, yeah. So listen, I'm just going to say that we, the end result of this is as sucky as it is to have the broken collarbone.

and yes, that's complicating things as he's closing in on the playoffs. He come out of that in a really, really good spot. And, man, just what a freak, freak deal. And I hate it happen, and it's embarrassing. I'm sure he's embarrassed and he shouldn't be ashamed in any way. I mean, it was, every time I see a driver stand on the door, top in Victory Lane,

there's a little bit of me that gets just a little anxious. And I've never really worried about a guy falling onto his head. I've always kind of worried about them kind of losing their balance and blowing their knee out or something by landing on something wrong and tearing their E.C.L.

or something like that. I always kind of wondered about that. But, you know, that was a scary thing to see. and as scary as it was to see, I'm glad I was there. I was, I'm glad I was not somewhere else in having to learn about that and worry and not know.

Man, I felt lucky to be able to watch that, watch Connor and go through that process and know that he's going to be fine. Where were you when he fell? Standing six feet away. And I mean, I was, as soon as he was on the ground, I got down there with the paramedics and was standing there the whole time.

And I was with him in the ambulance, going in the infield care center and all that. And so, I mean, I wanted to make sure that, you know, I kind of knew what we were dealing with and what he might be dealing with. And, you know, having, you know, I just, it was a, it was a scary thing. But I'm glad that he's, you know, I'm glad that he's okay. I'm glad his head's good. I would have bet a I would have bet a hundred bucks that he was going to spend an overnight in the hospital just for observation. And they said his scan was clear. That's crazy.

He was talking fine, acting fine. Man. And they told him, yeah, we're not going to hold you. We have no reason to hold you because you're fine. That amazes me that that can happen after you bounce your head off of alpha concrete floor. and someone go and then there's my experience where you you have a crash in a car where you don't really your head doesn't impact something directly but you have this you know you have this two week four week process where you know you're not right and it ain't all coming back and it don't

it ain't snapping back right and in some cases for people it's six months years where they're dealing with symptoms, right? These residual nagging things that won't allow them to be elite athletes or won't allow them to get all the way back. That to me is the puzzling thing, I suppose, about concussions, head injury. I had my dad had this video game. We used to have one in here, the comet. and when the ball was getting ready to go past the paddles and he knew he wasn't going to be able to stop it,

he would he would tilt the machine. He would shake it to make the ball where he could save the ball from going out. But the game would go tilt. The game would say tilt on the screen and all the flippers and everything would die and everything in the game would stop. All the lights would go out. And you'd hope that it would come back before the ball fell. below into the hole. And he used to laugh. And that to me is what I saw with Connor. They go through that same sort of shutdown and reboot, right? And then they're, you know, and then in 15 minutes,

they're up bouncing around going, hey, I'm fine. Nothing wrong me. Y'all calm down. I'm fine. I'm all right. and then there's other people that suffer an injury, a head injury, that doesn't seem to be, in terms of the contact or the head contact or doesn't seem to be as hard or as direct that can have these long lasting issues. And it just tells you, I guess, the complexity of the brain. It's like a computer and all the wiring up there. and I always tell people if one little wire is disconnected, it affects all the symptoms, all the systems, right?

Ocular balance and all, you know. And everybody's different too. Dude, it's so frustrating or puzzling that it, that it is that way. But man, I'm just, I'm thankful and relieved, so relieved, that he has literally come out of this unscathed, you know. At the track the next day. Yeah.

I was shocked my song at the track. Me too. So I had him, I told him, I said, man, you know, you're going to come off the pain meds. That shoulder's going to hurt so bad. And I had a friend with me that actually just coincidentally went to the racetrack. Bruce, he broke his collarbone snowboard and he's like, dude, that hurts. And you just move and you're not going to be able to sleep. Any kind of small, tiny movement.

It feels like your collar bones coming through your skin. He's on these pain meds and we're like, hey, man, you know, you're probably going to be real uncomfortable. I'm going to make my plane available to you anytime you want it. You can come home with us tonight whenever you're ready or I'll send it back here to the Glenn to get you in the morning. And he was adamant to spend the night, Connor was, to stay. And I thought, man, he's going to wake up in the middle of the night. He's going to be so uncomfortable.

Regretting the decision. Regretting that he stayed. Man, he's going to be, he's going to want to get up in the morning and get home immediately, get back somewhere comfortable. Nope. I'm like tuning in to social media and he's bebopping around on pit road and doing interviews. That would have been 19 years old. Yeah. And then he comes in here on Monday and does the show. I mean, damn, dude, he's tough. Hey, everybody. You want the latest Dale Jr. download apparel? Visit shop.org.com.

We're always adding new stuff all the time, especially like when we say something silly on this show. We'll put it on a t-shirt. Again, check it out at shop.dirtymomomedia.com. on Austin Hill back-to-back crashes for Austin Hill. After a one-week suspension, there's a massive crash. Austin Hill's involved. Honestly, could look at this a lot of different ways. I think that did Austin Hill, it wasn't a right hook. No, wasn't a right at all. It wasn't a right hook. This is not the same thing that happened at Indy. Even though he still says that he didn't do it intentionally at Indy, I don't buy it. it. I don't think anybody does. But this was racing. Racing. And is it avoidable? Yes. But is Austin Hill that kind of driver that's going to give up that opportunity? In his mind, he's going to get to turn six on the inside. One of the sides. Either way. Well, he's on the inside. He's on his right. He's on his left rear coming out of carousel. And he's thinking, I'm, this is, I'm in a chance. I'm making, we saw cars in the

series, Brad even drive to the outside of guys coming out of the carousel. So, I mean, I know that's like an unusual sort of, that's not something we're used to seeing, but now with all the runoff and the way the guys run the corners on the exit of a carousel, that's now going to be something that we may see more of. And he was driving a good race. He was. Do I think, look, this is, if there's anything to say about Austin Hill, it's this. do we buy that he

do we buy that Indy was unintentional I don't know that he can even admit after all this that it was and I don't know that he should or ever will No he doesn't need to I think we all No he doesn't I think I'm so I'm not really

all that surprised that he that he didn't Fass up to it this week he's going to tow the line that he's going to stick with this story right Has to He has to So, but coming off of one of these suspension, this doesn't really look all. Doesn't look good. Doesn't look good.

But Austin Hill, I don't believe is the kind of guy that gives shit and he's not, he's not going to back down. He's not going to cut the break. And he probably shouldn't. I mean, that's how, that's who he is. Yeah. I mean, I don't know. If Michael McDowell is in the same spot, he's going to do the same exact thing. You think McDowell's going to wreck the shit out of him?

I don't think he's going to put him. I think he's going to put his nose there, and if they hit, I don't, I mean, McDowell makes it tough. He was making it hard. I agree. And when that happens.

I don't disagree with that. I don't disagree with that. I think the thing that's tough about this is all the cars that got involved. And I know, and there's a conversation here. Does NASCAR need to change where spotters stand? Well, there is a spotter stand there. But the problem is,

so from my side of things, you have to take, most teams don't, the spotter stand back there. There's a spotter stand right to the right, right there. There's multiple stands only limited spotters. Am I right? Yes.

So that, if you don't have, which is hard to find, a third guy. So you have four, I take four there, including me. And I put a guy right there for this. So you got four people, and you'll have a guy there. I did have a guy there. And he called that wreck. That's why we got slowed down. You know who didn't have it?

The 16, because he came flying by us from 10 car lengths back because he didn't know that they were started a wreck, but. Yeah, NASCAR let his ass start in front of us. And then they put a-o-n-n-n-n-s-korn. It is. Bulls. We, the 88 or the one. One.

The one, Carson Quaple, slows down for the wreck. The 16 drives by us during the wreck and he gets to restart in front of us. That's bullshit. Problem with me for this is now I have to tell my guy when there's a wreck in front of him. This is a whole other conversation. I know. All right. Yeah, we'll stop.

I guess I don't want to get into that. Yeah. It's just bulls. It is. Just say it. TJ, say it. It's bullshit. All right.

Say it with your chest. It's bullshit. All right. Still not commit. It's bullshit. Look, man, I mean, I'm not, this isn't the right hook. This isn't a, hey, Austin Hill deserves to be parked, deserves a motor suspension. This is, though, hey, Austin, could you check it easy?

Hey, Austin, could you, could you, let's just not be in the middle. Hey, chill out, Austin. Let's not do something every race. He had a week off. He was all wound up. I suppose, man. I mean, he run over the, he boots Connor out of the way in term one. Actually, pretty clever move.

takes the lead sends he's I actually kind of thought that was pretty clever yeah that's pretty good he sends Connor to the back a few spots and Connor drives up back through there

and when he when Connor passed him he didn't run into him he didn't clip him he didn't wrecking they ran each other they ran around each other even later

when before Connor wrecked SVG you know they battle for that spot a little bit no problem that's good racing yeah good racing so I mean we know Hill can race we know Hill can race good

We also know he can race bad If I was with Hill I would just say hey let's just take a couple weeks Where we just race Just quiet weeks get finishes Let's just race Yeah let's just get out of the Let's get out of the conversation

And you think about like he's most likely He's not going to win Even if you do win It doesn't count for you So it's like how about go out there get a solid race Yeah no he that ain't the way they're thinking So Austin and them feel Like they got did wrong

you not Austin Hill did not come to to the glen with his tail between his legs in remorse not RCR didn't Richard don't they are they never gave in they're of the mind that

y'all f***ed us over man and y'all took our points and you've put us in this position we're going to we're coming back swinging round two motherfucker here I come so you know that's their attitude

right and I mean honestly I'm battle with this internally because that's always been their attitude. Always. All the time. RCR's always been the scuffler, the aggressive sort of don't push us, we'll push back twice. No matter what.

They ain't going to, they don't put up with. Now, Richard has been more vocal. The NASCAR world is better when Richard and NASCAR are friendly. I don't love, I don't love the NASCAR. world where, you know, Richard's mad at NASCAR. He was mad at him after Indy, right? And, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, they got him in the, they got him in the, they got him in the, they got him, they, huh?

Great people. They are, they are. Um, Richard is still like family. Uh, Austin. We all talk, you know, from time to time. We stay in contact. We always will because of our, we're bonded like, fucking. Yeah, awesome and tire.

Good do's, man. That's just what it is. And so it's tough for me because I, I want, I want them to succeed and I want, I want them to be well, I want them to be appreciated, respected. It's good for the sport when they do well. Yeah. And so, you know, this kind of, this has been a tough little stretch, you know, in terms of kind of how they handle things. But I don't know, you know, I don't know what the end result here is. I don't either.

I think RCR and R.C. and NASCAR have kind of been fighting ever since last year with Richmond. Then you had this. So it's now they've got this like, a year ago, you know, us against everybody. It is like, and I don't really, there were times. in the 80s and 90s where there was a little bit of that, where dad would get penalized for rough driving. And boy, you know, that Richard would be like, you know, NASCAR's wrong.

They, you know, they screwed us. He always backs his drivers. Yeah. 100%. So I'm not, what I'm seeing ain't nothing new, but it's just really aggravated, I think, in this instance,

because of that Richmond result and how they were, how that was handled they didn't love. And it seems like ever since then, Richard feels like that they're out to get him. They're out to get them. And I don't think that that's real. And then, I mean, you've also, you've heard his comments about the charter, you know, the comments that he made. So it's a bunch of different things adding up. Yeah.

But, you know, I appreciate Richard being so involved in it still, though. They say he's hands-owned as hell. I think that's something. And, yeah. I mean, you look at what makes F-1 so great. It's the team principles. There are these characters and you hear them on their radio week after week. And you hear RC.

I'll tell you. Yeah. I talked to the guys. That's pretty badass. Yeah. I talked to some of the guys on Austin's car and they're, they're, he in, during the week and everything. He's, he's there. He's in it.

He's, it's his life. It's his livelihood. He has the, he has other businesses and all that stuff, but this is really how he's made a living. Getting back on base here. Austin Hill, yeah, just I don't, you know, racing hard. Austin Hill's not going to give an inch. And even after a one week suspension,

he come back to let everybody know this is how you're going to get it. And so you better give me my car length. You better give me my space or hell. There's going to be hell to pay. I'm here for it. And he is, man, the temperature on social media. If you're him, do you just embrace this?

And I'm the bad guy. You have to, right? I think you might need to time. I think it, to make it work for you. Yeah. I think you could. I mean, he almost has to at this point. Yeah.

I mean, Denny's made it work for him. He did. Because what happens is if you don't embrace it, then you don't eventually get respected, right? People just think, man, you're just a shit individual. Yeah. But if you're like, oh, you want me to be the villain, fine. I'm a fucking villain. Then you can at least go, man, I don't love what he does, but I got to respect the owning it.

and that's him wearing the hat he ain't afraid of because like when denny um and denny and him are not the same but i i referenced denny because denny was denny gets out of his car at bristol and says i beat your favorite driver one of the greatest lines anyone anyone has ever said immediately post race the way that denny was like all right you want me to play this role i'll have some fun with this he did that made me you know that made me really appreciate denny more than i ever probably have because not only is he performing as a as a as a as a as a driver but he's bringing some color some some personality the pictures of the people flipping him off I

thought was actually putting your levens up like like we need that yes we just don't need you being a bulldozer every damn race you're in but then he's embraced it and and we've all appreciated because of that yeah well I mean when's Eric Alma Eric Amorra running the next race. That's a good question. That's one I'm going to tune in. Oh, because he hooked him. Because it's possible that Eric has not.

I don't know that Eric thinks the story is finished. Yeah. Yeah. And Eric's been known to, I mean, we've all heard the stories behind closed doors. When Eric comes back, he might finish the story. He might. WWE style. Yeah.

Eric's sneaky like it. Dude, he ain't scared of nobody. No. And he's not racing full time. So he ain't, what are you going to suspend him? He's sitting here going, I don't. I don't know. I got no, I don't know how many years left I got it or how long run will do this.

Come get you some. I don't know if I can see Eric doing that, but it's got to be in his mind. We've, we've, we've heard Eric, we've heard about Eric doing some things we didn't think we'd ever hear about him doing. Yeah, meetings coming across tables, whatever, yeah. He ain't scared. So that'll be interesting. All right, Keselowski, Hosevar. What the hell happened, dude?

Why was Brad running down pit road? I was trying to get his cardio in for the day. Why did Brad run down to his car? And what was the problem? The sequence of events is we go out to make our qualifying run, host of ours on track, and you have the makeshift start finish line. A lot of guys were doing like install laps on tires

and running a lap before you take off. Well, we've done it many times. You see a car coming at speed. You get way out of the way. And I see the 77 coming. Yep. I get Brad. I'm like, Brad, pull way over to the right and slow down,

let him clear before the corner, let him go here. So we do. And we've done the same thing. Like, you've done that. You've pulled way to the right out of six. you're over there where Zillich was coming back on the track, not the preferred line, you're way out of the way.

And then he finishes his lap. And then he waits, instead of coming down pit road, because the makesh just start finish lines on the backstretch there, he stays out a hold on the lap, slows down, waits for us, makes us follow him up through the S's,

and then slows down in the groove into the bus stop. So we have to pass him into the bus stop to kill our, that was our qualifying lap. And then, uh, we come down pit road. Brad stops on pit road. Road waits for Carson to go by so we can see where his stall was, I'm guessing. And then Brad

backs in and I didn't know anything was, he didn't say anything on the radio. I didn't even know he was. Why was Brad mad? Because he impeded our lap. That was our qualifying lap. Like our best shot to call it. Did he not, did he feel like y'all did the same thing? No, we were out of the way. I know you were, but did he feel like you bothered his lap? No, not at all. Oh, Carson felt like we bothered his lap. Right. But from the video and I've shown you, he's wrecking, like way out of the groove. Yeah, yeah, you didn't bother his lap at all. And this is what, you know, Brad being, and me as well, being around so long, I've never seen anybody get, especially somebody in his shoes, as much stuff as he's tore up and people he's pissed off over the last two

years that, or even more than that, I don't see how you can just blame a guy and want to stay out there and screw somebody else's qualifying lap up for this. So, you know, him waiting for Brad and and Brad getting so mad, I didn't know Brad was mad. He never said anything on the radio or nothing. And he just got out. And he got out. And I'm like, what's he doing? We're going to have to run again. And he took off runner.

And I'm like, go, go get him. And I saw where he was going. And he just wanted to get out there and guess show he wasn't happy. Yeah. And then you hear the, you know, that just shows you what type of person Carson really is to me. Like you want to like him so bad. But you can't. Then he goes and does stuff like this.

I mean, he has made so many mistakes. And, you know, we made a conscious effort to get out of his way and make sure we didn't mess him up. and that's all you want back is, you know, and they put the makeshift start finish line there to try to prevent some of this stuff, but to be that petty, I guess, to wait another lap to go out there and screw somebody up on purpose. And honestly, I thought there was penalties involved for impeding laps on purpose like that. I thought NASCAR had things in place, but I'm unsure about it. But I don't know, man, I just think it was, you know,

and it gets worse when they interview people the next day and somebody and people hire up there, come on there and say that what we did to him was way worth. something he did to us. I don't agree with that. That's just, how do you say that, you know, how do you defend him like that? Yeah. You're not helping him. You're not helping him grow to me. You're, you're, you're aiding him. So, I don't know, it's, I just don't know why you'd even do it. There's not, there's no way. Yeah. Anybody from in, when you were even racing, you wouldn't do that. Like, you just wouldn't do that. Like, we've pulled out of the way of people many times there. People have pulled out of your way. You don't think twice about it. Yeah.

And for, I don't know, this kid has a switch that he flips and what needs to happen? Because I feel like each week it's, it's something different. And like one week I can defend him, but then another week he does something else. I was like, what needs to happen where he's not always at the center of drama? Yeah. So, I mean, we said this months and months ago, everything's fine until he runs into one of Rick's cars or does something, you know, like that. And then when he has to go into the office to talk to Rick Hendrick, I think when he had, and it, might not be Rick, but it'll be a person like Rick that when he has to go in and have that

conversation, that'll have an effect. Now, that might not fix it all, but that'll have an, that'll have an effect on the decision making behind the wheel. Um, yeah, I mean, and honestly, I, no, no disrespect, TJ, but I am entertained. Well, I'm sure. What would you have done if he did that to you on the track? I'm entertained. I'm entertained. by a host of our, you know, until it becomes my problem. Same thing. This week it was your problem and you don't like it and I get it. And I, that goes back to the same thing.

Like until he does, I think it's all fine until he does something to some, until he does something that irks a Hendrick or somebody that's above, like directly above his chain of command. Like, hey, in the cup race, him and McDowd, racing each other to the finish, you know, that might get some things, that might have some conversations going. You don't know that they're going to pin that on McDowell and say, you know, and let Carson off the hook.

We don't really know how that competition meeting is going to go if there'll be a private conversation around, hey, how we need to race our teammates or race, you know, we need to, we don't need to draw attention to ourselves. That was really kind of unnecessary altogether between them two. And they don't need to be that competitive with each other. and, you know, that could start some conversations that are helpful for Carson. But, yeah, I think, you know, when he, if he goes out there and impeded the lap for Larson, right? And, you know, and the big, and the big man gets upset.

Because the big man has some influence over. Oh, Spire. For sure. And when you, you know, same, you know, the big man has influence over most things Chevrolet. He piss off a Ford or Toyota doesn't have the same effect. Yeah. And so when you start messing with what his program's doing or what he's trying to accomplish, or, you know, that's when the vice gets a little tight.

And Carson will feel that. But until that happens, until Lamber or I'm sorry, until his crew chief or his owners outright go, Carson. Come on, man, stop it. you know, he's not going to make the adjustments because he doesn't have to or need to. Doesn't feel like he needs to. Not going to change. Not going to alter his approach style. Wouldn't you want to help him grow though?

Like, if you're his boss right there and you see this, like, you're like, what are you doing? I don't know that they see a problem with messing with you. I just don't. But come back down pit road, cool your car and make another run. I don't think they see a problem with it. I don't, until they see evidence that they had, they don't like doing that, you know? I mean, what does it take? Does it take them guys rolling the car off the truck?

on casters for a month straight. You know what I mean? And then be like, hey, Carson, you need to stop doing this stuff. Yeah, but who's... Dale's point, like last week with Zane Smith, they probably don't look at, he didn't do anything to Zane Smith. They probably look at Zane Smith and go, they probably... Well, they've said pretty much the rest of the field for about a year and a half now, and like, the list is growing. Well, what's happening? Well, do something to about it.

Yeah, we need to buck up. You talk about putting him on... Put me in the car. I'm saying you talk about putting him on casters. I don't see anybody willing to do that. Now, Zane tried to Yeah, Zane was willing. Jane tried to put him on casters, but... Yeah, didn't work out.

God, you got to make that stick. Somebody will. You know, I don't know that that fixes it, but, you know... I mean, I think we can all say that we like watching him race and we enjoy seeing... It's coming to something, right? It's got to. It's building to something. And it's going to be worth watching.

So I'm entertained wondering like, all right, how's this going to play out? You know, do you think at the end of the race, because I watched him come across the line, him and McDowell beating on each other. And then they get across the line, and Carson makes another attempt to swerve at McDowell and hit him, and he does. And, like, he goes back after him after the line. And then he gets on the radio and he's like, keep him away from me. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

I want to talk to him. Yeah, I mean, that's because you're scared of him. Let's be honest here. McDowell's a big dude. He's a big dude. Yeah, that was a strange. It's, you know. Wuss move.

That was a strange. I like the spicy T.J. Yeah, I do too. It's what's move, man. I'm going to run to this guy, but help me, guys. Defend me. Yeah. I don't want to see him.

Yeah, I don't keep him away from him. What are they going to? Yeah. That's why. It's not like he's going to. What crew guy is going to go, sorry, Michael. He doesn't want to see you right now. Yeah.

Sorry, we can't let you over here. He's requested no, no visitors. I mean, I mean, I've, I've never heard a driver say keep away from me after the race. Ever.

Yeah. All right. So we have a little exercise we're going to do today and I asked TJ and Travis to come up with some. This is what I asked. There'll be a quiz tomorrow on the show. Each of you named the top five storylines on social media post-clin. These are the top five storylines on social media.

Here's T. You all mine? Ready? Go. I mean, I got a notepad here. Go. I got Connor, Austin Hill, host of our and McDowell with Brad

the whole host of our in general I have Ty Gibbs which we didn't hit and I have SVG at Roadcourses those are too many. Okay. Ty Gibbs, what's your deal on Ty Gibbs? You saw some Ty Gibbs social media comments?

Well, there's a lot of videos, yeah. Huh? Yeah, there's a lot of Ty Gibbs. How he wrecked 21? No, about him and Gabe Hart. He wrecked shit out of my buddy. Yeah, well, no. Oh, I'm sorry. I'm talking about Ty Dillon.

Yeah, I don't know. Gabe Hart ripping him a new one. I'm, I had to get my, damn it, Ty Dillon, you wrecked Josh Barry in, and there it is. Yep. Well, is that one of yours? Ty Gibbs and Gabehart on social media or on the radio.

Yeah, I remember that. Mm-hmm. What do y'all think about that? Is there some props? So this is what, this is what Todd Gibbs needs. He needs a guy like Gabehart.

Gabe Hart is there to help this kid and mentor. Mentor. Mentor this kid. And that was just some, that was a moment. Oh man, I've been in those moments on the radio where you're, the drive, I'm upset. I'm out there driving the car.

We've never heard you upset on the radio. The car fucking in doing what I want. I'm in trouble. I know I'm in trouble. And I don't feel like anyone else realizes just how bad this shit is. And I've been in that and you need the creature, you need a person on the radio that tells you,

we're all here to help you, man. We're not here to argue. And I don't know anyone better suited for that person to sort of get tie back into the game than him, then Gabehart. So I thought it was refreshing. Yeah, it's good to hear some steps speak up. Yeah.

Because, I mean, listen, I've been, I used to race it, I used to race for my dad. and when and I had lenience right there were things that I could say do get away with and if I was really allowed I could have taken that to an extreme that would have been detrimental to not only myself but the rest of the company and I was lucky that I had Tony senior Tony Jr. Tony Senior mainly I was going to bring them up to keep my ass in line and not let me get away with running my mouth and being a little shit and so you know, and not that Ty Gives was really going there. He was just desperate. He's like, man, I've got no rear tires. We're in fucking trouble. And Gabe Hart's like,

need you to keep going as fast as you can go and do what I need you to do. Now, if you want to throw the whole race and do your own strategy, by all means, you can come on down pit road and we'll do whatever. But my suggestion would be this. Now, Tony Sr. was that guy for me

to basically say, you know, shut the F. up and do your job, buckle down, quit doing what the you're doing. It's detrimental. It's not helping. And I'm thankful for that because had he not been the guardrail, man, I would have, I would have abused all of the lenience and, you know, being the son of the team owner, even after dad had passed away, I still had this sort of ability or had leeway that, you know,

no one else that the company possessed, you know, and benefited from. He brought that here with Brad in the beginning, too. Yeah. Working with Brad, he was a... Tony Sr. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Tony Sr. would tell you, you're a no-drive-up.

You're a dumb M-Fer. You're a no-driving M-Fer. And, you know, go win the race the next week, and he's your best friend. But, boy, he was... He was chewing your ass when you stepped out of line. Now, Gabe Hart's not that aggressive, but damn, man. He's honest. Ty Gibbs is extremely talented.

He's got a chance to really get it going. and do it in this in this cup deal and if it happens it'll happen because of Gabehart sort of not so much making this cars fast but getting his head right and so if it doesn't work with the Gabe Hart what happens man I mean I don't know about that this is the decline does he eventually become his own worst enemy no I think I don't know about that that's the whole other thing I think it works I think it does work yeah what's the other thing what's the last thing you had. Road courses SVG. Just how many we have.

Yeah, that was one that I that I keyed in on, so glad you brought that up. Jeff Gluck on the tear down was talking about there may be too many road courses. A lot of people

responded to the social media posts. Don't get rid of road courses because SVG is dominating, just go out there and get better. That's not what Jeff Gluck was saying. No, it's not. Nobody's mad. Nobody wants to get rid of, listen to this. This is really important. Nobody wants to get rid of road courses because SVG is great. If, I mean, if I was trackhouse and anybody that worked there, I'd want more road courses. Nobody's wanting

to get rid of road courses because SVG is great. I look forward to going to road courses to see if he can be beat. What I think is, Gluck's point is, is that the car struggles at road courses. It has since it's came in. As I've said in the past, this is a, you know, this, this car has a lot of sports car and EMSA V8 supercar technology with with the underbody arrow, independent rear suspension, all kinds of things, bigger tire, big brakes. And it does, all these, it does everything. Our old car did way better. Stops better.

Just all these things better. But because mostly, well, I think mostly because of the arrow, the car just doesn't race very well on a road course. And it races like a sports car or like Indy car. It races the way those cars race, but we expect those cars to race that way because that's how they have raced for decades. Sports car racing and IndyCar racing, their style of a Venn and what their races look like on the racetrack, what the product look like. That's fine. That's what it has tended to look like for years, where you have, you know, you have some passing, but it's not battling.

all day long back and forth. In NASCAR, you know, we expect more passing. We expect lots of passing. We expect lots of battles. We expect a faster car to be able to overtake with no problem.

We expect contact. We expect door to door. That's our expectation because of the last 75 years of what we've seen. and so when we come up on a road course now and we don't see what we expect we're not willing to allow this type of product to be normalized or we hope right that this won't be normalized and and and so i think jeff gluck's just saying

you know why don't we dial back to road courses you know same reason why maybe you know a lot of people are calling for the roval to go away and the oval at charlotte to be um back to two races well the people are asking for that because the charlotte race is one of the best races of the year the car performs well on the mile and a halfs so why not get rid of the roval we would if you're going to charlotte at the end of the year you pick a or b what do you think people are picking they're picking the oval no nobody's going man give me that roval they want the oval right now Right now, that's what they want. The series and the schedule and everything can ebb and flow

as according to how the supply and demand, right? There was a demand for less mile and a halfs. We went to more road courses. We steadily went away from short tracks. We got a short track back in North Wiltsboro. Four road courses. Where are they for you? Sorry.

We could run four road courses next year. What are we thinking? Well, I wanted to say that my opinion on how many road courses we should have is going to be in the minority. I know that the way I feel about it is probably only about what 10% of the fan base thinks. I like two road courses.

I like Sonoma. I like Watkins Glen. I look at this, looking at NASCAR, looking at NASCAR in the 75-year history, it was born out of the dirt tracks and the short track half-mile style facility. I'm not talking about NASCAR's heritage

or its past. I'm only referencing, like, when you think about, all right, what style of tracks, what type of racetrack was the sport born out of? It was an oval series. Well, we ended up going to Riverside once or twice a year for a long time,

and that was our one road course. Was that popular, do you think, amongst the series drivers? Like, I don't know, how do they look at it? I think it was fine. We went to Riverside to be in California. Okay. Nobody was building racetracks back then, and I suppose that, you know, we had Ontario and it failed.

But we went to Riverside to be in California. We needed, we had really no footprint west of the Mississippi River. And so that was our way to become national. And so it was out of necessity that we went to Riverside. And then when Riverside went away and became residential and commercial shopping and all that bullshed, you know we started looking at other places so we go to the glen um a historic track already there but our in the you know in the in the in all of those years our identity was ovals our identity was short tracks it was Daytona it was Charlotte Atlanta that was what

NASCAR was and Richard Petty was tell you. You know, road racing really, road courses really wasn't what NASCAR was about. I think there's a clip I saw a couple weeks ago where Richard Petty's like, yeah, and you know, road courses, they're fine, but that's not really what

we are known for. It's not what we do. And so I'm fine with a couple. And now I know that that's the minority. So that's why I don't really talk about it too much and I don't go on social media. Because I know

that's not realistic in the environment we have today. There's a ton, there's a whole generation or two of race fans below that have come into the sport since I've been around that may want something different, that make up a large majority of our fan base. I realize I'm 50 years old and there's a, you know, there's a lot of 40, 30, 20 teenage kids that are big fans of the sport now that make up a huge part of the fan base that may want something different.

And they don't look at NASCAR the way I look at it. They look at it and they see it a different identity. They see a different history. They see a different sort of... It's all they know. Yeah. And so that, you know, I'm understanding that, you know, my personal opinion may not be that popular, but I'm okay with four.

moving on Travis what's your five Zillich SVG winning dominating NASCAR schedule slash next gen car Austin Hill and Hosevar

All right next gen car everything else we talked about but next gen right well it's with the schedule like with the road courses

What about the car in general there's a lot of traction with that here yeah there is I mean yeah I mean the car is obviously

we've all seen the clip with Kyle saying the car is producing. The car is good. Which. Yeah. I don't know, man. I mean, Kyle has,

Kyle, I really, really respect Kyle. I think the world of him. And I appreciate his opinion. But I would just disagree that the car doesn't produce what I expect. Again, going back to 75 years, I know Kyle's been around a long time. The car doesn't produce the kind of racing that I know we are capable of at road courses and short tracks.

The car does not produce the type of racing that I think should be our standard and I know what we're capable of at road courses and short tracks. And I would not stop at trying to achieve fucking amazing great racing at those style of tracks until we achieved it. I wouldn't stop trying to get there. And I don't think we're there. And I think it's mainly due to the race car, right? So in your opinion, what is the ratio? Like, I don't think it's, I think it's more car dependent now than it's ever been. What, like, I think when we do have races where the driver means more, they're better races.

Like the Bristol race with tire, the driver came into play more. To me, the racing got better because you had, there was so much stuff going on. There's some racetracks where the underbody arrow is problematic. There's just some racetracks where the way this car is in dirty air, creates problems for the drivers. They can't, like, to your point, we go to Bristol, right? I want to see a guy. If a driver wants to go down into the corner

and run into the back of somebody in the middle of the corner and move them up the track, I want them to be able to do that. You can't now. They can't do it. And so in most cases, when they try to drive down in there and get behind that guy and get to his rear bumper, they lose all that error and the underbody can't get the downforcing and they lose all the grip and they just they go up the racetrack and so they have to run offset and they can't run behind each other i don't like that i don't love it i don't want it

and i don't think like watching these guys like to me the the car is majority of the problem the car is majority of the equation on who runs really good it's not it's not that this guy is just a way better driver and then nothing again these guys are all really good drivers but at most of the most of the of the, most of the tracks where we're having these challenges, all the passing happens on restarts. That's it. There's minimal passing after the field sort of organizes post-restart. We get about two or three laps of good battles and action.

And so a lot of people in our industry are like, well, we just need more restarts. No, that's not the answer. We need a car that can overtake at lap 15, lap 20, lap 25. not get aertight and so air deficient behind a slow car. All right, we got SVG calling in winter this weekend here, Watkins Glen. Damn it. How many races have you won this year? Four now, yeah.

Head to think for a second. So pretty awesome to see you go out there. Look, I'll be honest, I wasn't sure what to expect because I feel like that, you know, when we go to the real technical road courses, I think you have a clear advantage because you're just a badass at road course racing. But I always looked at the glen is kind of like a super speedway for a road course.

And there's a lot of straightaway turn, straightaway turn. There's not a lot of corners that are in succession where you kind of got to put them all together in a chain. You can fuck up a corner, but then get the rest of them right and still do okay lap time wise, right? So our oval guys always seem to kind of go there

and do all right. And they've, they've, they've, they've, they've, they've, they've, ran pretty good against you in the last year at that racetrack. But, um, you went there this weekend, man, and made it look pretty easy. Um, how did the race, did you feel like it was easy from behind the wheel? Did you think you had them cover? Uh, not really. Uh, I could see, yeah, like, you're right, Ryan Blaney, who's not, like, he's a decent road course driver, but man, man, he was awesome on the weekend. His quality lap was impressive. And then, in that first stint, I tried to get to him, but he was just too fast, you know, you know, and then kind of worked out when we split on strategy.

He was probably the best car and didn't work out. But I think for me it was great. Like from last year, we just built on the car we had and what I wanted from the car. So we're kind of building a notebook as well, which that's kind of helping us to keep ahead and keep developing. Is that the biggest change this year? Because, I mean, honestly, I thought we would go back to some of these places

like Sonob and the Glen. And like he said, you would be, our guys are more competitive. but man, you just, the gap's bigger. Yeah. Like, what's so different this year? I think, um, I think last year, you know, I had a track house car, but it would sort of be the base car and then given to Koolig to run and, um, you know, it'd be a really good car. But this year, we've sort of, when you're with the same guys every year, every week and

you're driving the same car, it's, um, I'd just been able to build on what's set up, you know, and each week we've sort of been developing what we need from the car and, yeah, and what I want. have been able to give it to me rather than, you know, doing one race, waiting a month or two till the next one. And I think it's just that progression. And, you know, I'm learning that from the Oval's what feeling I want from the car. But on a road course, I can tell them exactly what I want in the car and they can, they can know where to give it to me. So, yeah, it shows. Yeah, it's really been a good help this year. I think we've gotten better as a, as a car, you know, the car's gotten a lot better and that's really helped. We're going to have to bring McLaughlin over here

to start competing with you, man. Like, every week it's, you know, it's closer than you think. Like, we were good on strategy and it just worked out. But there's a lot of fast guys here. It's just, I guess we've kind of executed the whole day. I got to ask you, man, moving over to a Saturday, driving for Junior Motorsports. It's a real honor for us to have you behind the wheel of our cars. It's been awesome to be able to get to know you a little bit better.

But there was an incident with Connor over in between turn six and seven. Have you, you know, I don't know if you want to kind of give us your point of view from that crash and how that might have been avoidable and what might have, what you or Connor might have been able to do differently. We watch it over and over and it's, you know, I feel some, like Connor has responsibility to not wreck you, right, to get back on the racetrack without hitting you and wrecking you and turning you in the wall. He could have done a lot of things differently there. You were also shaded it a little bit to the right to sort of try to, you know, you were doing everything you could to kind of protect your position. Now that you've kind of had a chance to spend a couple nights on it, what is your feeling about how that all played out? Yeah.

Firstly, sorry to junk, one of your beautiful race paths. Yeah, I had more time to reflect. And that's kind of, it's where the racing is different here. You know, like every other racing series in the world, if someone goes off the track, it's their problem. They have to get back on safely. Whereas here, you're kind of, it's on both here to let, you know, let the racing continue and give racing room. So what, you know, the other thing was, he was catching me, he was way faster.

And I sort of thought to myself, I'll try and hold him off for three or four laps. And maybe his tires will heat up following me and then it'll equal out. And it was about the end of that third or fourth lap of the pressure. And I was probably, you know, within a lap or two of letting him go, but I was still fighting pretty hard. it was a good race he was patient with me and then when he went around the outside he went in way too deep and i i knew i hadn't cleared him but i gave him just one car with to get back on the track and i was going to pinch him narrow into seven and i think he thought as well i was going to shade all the way back to the left it was just a misjudgment or racing incident really but

catastrophic result uh yeah but yeah i you know i was i was defending pretty high and I went back to the middle of the road, so then I'd know I'd pinch him and I'd get a good run on the front straight and I was going to clear him again. And yeah, he just misjudged coming back on. But it was both our faults, really. I know that when you learned of his collarbone injury, you've had a similar experience.

And I believe that you, even within 24 hours of having that wreck together, where you got junked, you were already offering him, offering him in insight into what to expect. Is that true? Yeah, that's true. I went, you know, my injury was probably worse than him. I did like my AC and three ribs as well on a mountain bike accident. And then I raced, I had one week off and then race the next week, which is exactly what he's got. He's got Richmond off then Daytona. So, you know, he should be fine. But, you know,

when you plate your collar bone, it's probably the best bone or best major bone you can break. you know like it you bolt it together and it's stronger than it was you just have the last damage in the scar and then the hardest thing is putting on the belts you know you feel the bolts and the collarbone through the belts and it's just irritating and annoying but yeah he could you know if it's just the collarbone he could race daytoner or this weekend even you know you see motor gp guys do it all the time and jump on a bike the next week it's amazing so um yeah i did that um broke my collarbone did the next race and yeah i race for three or four months and then when we had a break, I took the plate out again and it was,

it was brand new, you know, so yeah, he can be fine. It was, um, that was horrible to see. Initially, I thought he'd done his knee or his ankle. Oh, man, it was terrible. It was horrible. So, but luckily, you know, collarbone was relatively an okay bone to break. I believe that, um, with him, with you and him, I believe that the sport is going to be gifted a lot of amazing moments and watching you to sort of push each other. I think that he's an extremely talented road course racer and I think that he will only continue to improve, especially being... Well, he just has to stop pushing me literally.

Yeah. Well, I think it's going to be a lot of fun. He's going to benefit from you being over there and getting the cars where they are. Yeah. And, you know, I don't, I guess are you anticipating that relationship as teammates, you've made a commitment yourself to stay long term and sign a new extension. I don't know if this is really a question, but it's more of a statement of excitement that, man, you know, you're a lot of fun to watch, but he is as well. You're on one's end of the spectrum in terms of your career, and he's on the other. and how those two worlds are going to meet and continue to battle and push each other over the next several years could be just phenomenal for the NASCAR world.

That's also where I'm going to be probably have to be a little careful. Like it's probably to my detriment. I'm too open with teammates and anything they ask. I'm happy to give them an answer, you know, but he's going to be beating me pretty quick or at least matching me, you know. So we have to, that's always a fine line, isn't it? But, you know, ultimately, if you're all doing well, you know, it helps the team and for the greater good of everyone, you want to be all winning. But yeah, he's going to be a real problem for everyone in a year or two, isn't he?

So I don't know how much I want to help him, but he's a great kid. And, you know, you see his mom and dad there every week by side, living it with him. And it's really cool, like that atmosphere in the, you know, the upbringing he's had, you know, so you don't mind helping someone like that because it's it's always cool to see him do well. For sure. Your extension, how grateful and excited were you to know? So listen, it's my belief that you're going to continue to evolve and eventually become the overall racer that you want to be. Now that you have that extension, you know there's a runway in front of you, right, to continue that process, how comforting and excited were you to be able to get that

out there in public? Oh, it's just awesome. You know, we had sort of another year left anyway, but Justin wanted to do more. You know, he can, it's been amazing the belief he's had in me and also the patience. Like the start of the year was pretty rough, but you could see the glimpses and now they're getting more and more. And I feel like I've had some really good races, feel like I'm matching my teammates a lot of weeks and qualifying really well.

And I can see, see it coming. and feel it coming, you know, and we're still a long way from, you know, winning a race or being complete, but yeah, I can feel and see where the time is, you know, I'm having more moments where I have a couple of good sections of a race or feel the car doing something, and I'm, oh, there it is, there's the limit, and I'm getting closer to that every week, you know, and I'm feeling it more often, so I can really feel the progression. But the biggest thing is, I enjoy it. Like, I've really had some cool races. in Oval and I get to the end of the stage and I'm war out puffing. I'm like, man, that was really

fun and I'll be 10th or I'll be 20th or whatever. It doesn't matter. I just, I really enjoy the racing on the ovals. Like, it's a lot of fun what you can get up to in these races. Being from V8 supercars, do you, you're kind of open to the door for me, like for more, you've got to have a lot of friends over there, driver and stuff that probably want to follow in your footsteps. Do you see anyone coming up from the V8 supercars that you think could come over here and be? as successful as you are right now? Yeah, it's hard. You know, you obviously got to have someone with commitment.

You know, it's, you know, like what I've had in Justin, I'm extremely thankful for and how much he's committed and, you know, uprooting me from home, getting me out of my contract, flying me over here. Like, it's a big thing to do. But there's a lot of young guys there. There's a guy who was my teammate, Brock Feeney. He is killing it, killing it in Vietta, supercars.

Yeah, I see the highlights. Yeah, and he loves it. Like he's on the ovals all the time on ir racing and watching all the ovals, texting me all the time. I think he would be really good. And I've been trying to get him into a road course race with Kolic, you know, now that they got some spare seats. And yeah, I think he would be a really, really good guy to bring over.

But, you know, you see Cam Waters. He come and did some truck races and, you know, he's struggling. But with time, he would be good. He's a massive talent as well. but yeah you got a it's a big commitment to bring someone over and I hope someone else tries it too thank you SVG appreciate you giving some time today man good luck this week on coming up you bet man and get that thing rolling for them playoffs we'd love to see you go deep into the playoffs and have a great run yeah me too I'll give it a crack hey NASCAR fans you know booming speeds when you see it

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You need a mascot. Yeah. You need a mascot. Yeah. Well, let's get to some of the questions from the fans. And this first one is from Bobby, big cars tour race this weekend in the Bud 8 car. How are you feeling? Real good.

We're ready to go. Yeah. Feeling good. Tested there. Short and sound. Did you test there? How am I feeling? I feel good.

You tested there or somewhere else? We did go test. We ran about three hours one morning. got a good idea. Yeah, I mean, it's going to be, with the way the new tire is this year, so the Hoosier tire that they have us on is real durable. It doesn't fall off as much. It doesn't wear out.

So you don't really, I like to go to the racetrack and try to manage the tire. This new tire this year, just too durable. And so it kind of, it's kind of going to be like where you qualify is how good your chance is to win. I'm not a great qualifier. I was going to say, well, that goes your chair.

Not a great qualifier. I did qualify mid-pack. I qualified like 15th at Cordill, so I was real happy with that. 15th? You were happy with that? Dude, you haven't seen the qualifying efforts from... I mean, I know it's tight.

No, you haven't seen my qualifying efforts before that. They were terrible. Yeah, they were. Terrible. Yeah. So, it's a tough field. You don't show up and just, you know, qualifying to top five.

Yeah, a lot of competition. It's tough. Yeah. It's all whole field's, The whole field's competitive. But that's what you want. It is. It's the series I've wanted to build.

All right. And to my detriment when I compete. Yeah. Oh, darn it. I made too good of a series. Damn it. Oh, blast. The series has been kicking ass.

I mean, it's been pretty fun. Yeah, we had it. We coming off of a big race at Hickory, $50,000 to win. Mother Nature gave us a ton of problems, but we finally got it in. And, yeah, so pretty cool. My favorite part about, it is it's like the new eater series you know the car's tour is kind of like the place you want to be if you want to progress into stock car racing yeah if you want to get noticed if you want your

talent to get noticed uh caden honeycut several drivers josh berry a lot of drivers have come through butter bean it's a place where you want to race if you want to you want the right people to to see what you're about and what you can do um and i would say too you know judge i think our car count for anderson's a little higher than i expected too so that's pretty good we got a pro series class. We've got pros running and late model stocks Saturday night on flow, tune in support the stream.

Flow is a great value. They have dirt racing, they have high limit, all that stuff. It's like $14 a month or something like that. Oh, that's ridiculous. If you buy the annual subscription it's a 1499 or something a month. Yeah. Well worth it. I think so. Oh my gosh. It's a great deal. This next

question coming from Michelle on Twitter. you know, there's a bunch of, it's Richmond Week, so all the highlights of you and Kyle Bush's feud are coming up again. She wants to know, would you do anything differently from that 2008 race? You'd fight him. We fired off on a restart. Kyle spun his tires and I ran the top immediately. I should have ran the bottom for about two or three corners to see if I could, you know, make the bottom work. Cool tires a little bit. Yeah, I mean, I should have ran the bottom. I gave him the bottom and he drove right up to my back bumper and maybe I um yeah I don't know maybe a couple more laps go by and I'm able to I'm able to do something different but you know what would have helped

Denny not stopping on the racetrack well he was leading I don't care like if he doesn't stop I know he he's gonna win the race he was gonna win yeah he's gonna win the race was but um so were we yeah he had a flat stopped on the track total no no he should have been what a tool yeah total bulls shit move but uh I think if I could have ran the bottom for a couple corners, kept him in some dirty air, he would have had to move up, then I could have moved up. You know, I could have,

if we go maybe four or five more laps, I don't, I think, you know, he doesn't have so much speed comparable to me and I'm able to do something because I was a little bit, I was in front of him, right?

I was a little bit better up until we got our tires cooled down on that restart. And I know that that wasn't intentional. there was a lot of animosity between me and Kyle back then. He feels like that I had taken his ride, which really wasn't exactly how that all played out. And I'll say this to Casey Mears. Casey's a great friend of mine,

but when Rick came to me and asked me what he was planning to do, I said I would probably keep Kyle and not, you know, I would say I would keep Kyle. If I'm coming in, you know, and you're going to get rid of somebody, I would keep Kyle. Kyle had so much upside, right? And I think we all kind of knew where Casey was, but Kyle had untapped potential and growth,

as he would prove out, right, in 2008, went in all those races for Gibbs. But it wasn't, he was mad that that had happened. And it was just hard short track racing. I ended up getting put in a fence. And that's how it goes. Still, to this day, one of my favorite download episodes

was when it was actually in this room when you guys rehashed all that and the aftermath and what Kyle had to go through still to this day is pretty wild all the security measures and you know pretty crazy

I think he may have overstated some of the security measures he was entertaining though yeah yeah um okay this next question is from Danielle uh she wants to know

what is your new Buster book about which I think is out today just so happened to have a how convenient right next to me um yeah So Buster, if you don't know anything about Buster, I'm sure if you're on this YouTube with us, you do. But me and me and my wife and my kids have been doing a series of Buster books.

And this is the third one, I believe, Buster and the race car graveyard. So this one obviously is a nod to the actual race car graveyard out there on my property. Buster is this little guy right here. he is drawn in reference to my dad's dirt late model car that he ran in the 70s that was owned by my mother's father, my grandfather, Robert G. So this car has a very personal connection to me. Buster was dad's nickname when he was a little boy. My aunt Kathy can confirm that.

They called him Buster when he was five, six, seven years old. And so there's a lot of, you know, a lot of sort of personal connection in here. We have, you know, some different characters in this book. And there is one in the storyline named Brenda after my mother. And she's a big player in what happens in this particular episode. This is kind of obviously by looking at this cover in the race car graveyard. This would be a good, you know, sort of book to read. your kids kind of around the Halloween holiday and all that.

It's a ref, it's, you know, we got pumpkins and it's sort of the October-ish, September-Octoberish sort of time of year. So a good time for another episode of Buster, and we're having a lot of fun with those. And every, I'll say another thing, too, about the Buster books. My involvement in the actual writing

has gotten more and more intense because I will take this book and I will go read this to classrooms. And a lot of y'all don't know that, but I'll take this book and I'll do that, right? So I've got to, I'm going to read this book multiple times at some point throughout the next year to kids. And so when I started doing that with the first Buster book,

like I read the book alone when it first came out. And I'm like, yeah, great, it's good, happy with it. Well, when I took it and had to read it out loud to people, I saw a lot of like clunky moments and problems and things that just felt, hard to understand and maybe I felt like I wanted to actually explain to the kids what I meant or what was happening in the story that we didn't do a good job of. And so now that I know what experiences I'm going to have when reading the book, I've gotten more involved in writing what happens so that it reads well. Like if you're reading it to your child at night,

hopefully you find each buster book becoming easier for your child to understand as you're trying to read it to them at night. So I've enjoyed that process as well. Well, that's a good place. All right, man. To wrap Ash Jr. Good stuff, man. Thanks to Xfinity. Thanks to Xfinity for bringing us today's Ash Jr. segment in racing and in real life, speed isn't optional. It's expected. As a driver and Xfinity series team owner, I rely on things that perform under pressure. That's why I go with Xfinity Wi-Fi, fast, dependable internet, with one price locked in for five years. No contracts, no slowdowns, no nonsense, Xfinity. Proud premier partner of NASCAR.

Place your bets, ladies and gentlemen. Place your bets. All right, it's time for Dirty Modo. This segment of Dirty Modo is brought to you by a fan duel. Our top manufacturer parlay finally cashed. Woo! Celebrate. Celebrate, T.J. SVG, Christopher Bell, Busher. If you tell this, congratulations. If you what? If you tailed it. Tailed it. If you told the bet.

If you followed the bet. We're in the positive now. Yeah, that's a winner now. Plus money. Damn, really? For the year. Yep. Oh, that did it?

Only takes one. Only takes one. Look, I saw a couple people sharing on social media how they tail the bet. And, man, that's a great feeling. You're welcome. Yeah. We have another parlay coming up for Richmond. let's go ahead and just jump right on that

let's get on that let's do it okay all right so Russell is not here today he's busy so we probably can figure this out we don't need no damn predictor I've got the predictor we don't need it Denny Hamlin Christopher Bell Chase Elliot Kyle Larson William Byron that we can only have three

well those are the top five we can only have three in this okay did you so name it again Hamlin Bell Elliot Larson Byron and then Blaney's 6th Blaney I don't know about Deleeney. Yeah, I don't know. Ah, it's become one of his better places.

All right, so our Toyota, our Toyota manufacturer, I think we have to go with Denny. This is Denny's home track. He loves Richmond. Goes here with an edge. Yeah, he does. So we'll say, even though I can see a Christopher Bell or someone else beating him, this is a tough one, but I think we're going to have to go with Denny on the Toyota. But if somebody says, hey, man, I'm putting Bell in. I can't argue that either. Can't either. It's about even. Totally agree.

On the Chevrolet front Which I think you got to go with Larson here I got a feeling Larson's my one Can I present us that way you may not want to Average finish of 19.25 over the last 12 races Yeah, it doesn't shake me I'm starting to turn

What are the last 12 in the season? Average, yes, his last 12 races It's his worst streaks destroyed in Henry part of the year Yeah, it is But he, yeah, it's been a rough run, man, but he... What about Byron? You know, I have Chase before Byron. Really?

Yeah. But I mean, Byron just ran really well at Iowa. He is hot right now, which is good. But, yeah, he did run good at Iowa. What else? What else? What else? Yeah, that's a good point.

Dude, that's a good point. Damn. But Larson was good at Iowa last year, wasn't he? Until he wrecked? Yeah. He did. Oh, he was good last year, but he also tested last year as well there. I could forget how Larson

ran at Iowa this year. He was what average maybe? Right around the top fiveish but Byron definitely flexed more than than Larson did. Yeah, Byron was really fast at Iowa. Let's go with Barston was 28th at Iowa. Let's go with Byron.

The strategy at the end. Let's go with Byron. Yeah, we'll go Byron. All right, so we got Hamlin slash bell. Byron, clear. Out front, Chevrolet. Now with the Ford. Blaney is the top guy on the predictor? He is, but

Russ is also saying he would avoid Yeah, I got to, yeah, who would be the guy you'd slot in there? I mean, is it Ligano? I think it's Ligano. Really? I'm a little scary how he's run. That makes me nervous. But he was really good at Richmond. Well, the Ford's tough, T.J. I'm nervous

picking any Ford. Busher would be my second. Yeah, yeah. Bush's coming off. Or Brad, but I mean... Yeah, Brad's been strong. What do you think, T.J.? You, you fuck with them forwards? What's up? I mean, I still think, I still think it's hard to go against Blaine. I just feel like he has been a lot of momentum.

I don't f*** them. I feel like Blaney's got the most momentum right now. I mean, secondly, I really feel like Brad's got, I mean, we ran good at Iowa, ran really fast at Iowa. We could do that. I just yell at TJ if it loses. I mean, you could do that. Why don't we fucking pick Brad?

Yeah. He was fast at Iowa. Was he not? It's probably the best car at Iowa. He was, yeah. Either hits or we blame TJ. Dude. Yeah, it's a win for us.

Because I bet the odds on that are way better than Blaney. He's probably fourth or fifth. Yeah. Yeah. All right. Brad Kislauski, Byron. Should we do just three Bs? Go, Bill?

Three Bs. You know what? I'm feeling a little... We won one. We got money to play. Yeah. We're on a roll. We're on a roll.

Also, you can do, like, two parlays and tweak a little bit. Yeah. Yeah, but... Killer B's on this one. Sweet, man. Bell. Brad. Byron.

Byron. I like it, actually. Let's do it. Let's do it. The law firm. The firm. The firm's coming to Richmond. Back to back.

Can't wait until Denny wins. Oh my gosh. Well, I would do, to your point, man, I'd do another one and just put Denny in there. Yeah. Go for it. That's close. What about long shots? Put $5 down on each and you still, you know, one hits.

You're in good shape. Yeah. What are Brad's odds? Do you have them? Brad's odds to win are 17 to 1. Do you think that's worth something? Who are your long shots? My long shots.

Kyle Bush is my long, long shot at plus 3,000. I mean, I don't think this is a long shot type of race. That's Kyle. The last time we were at Richmond, who was oddly fucking fast. Austin Dillon. And Kyle had a different setup, but if he takes Austin. I'm just saying that they go back there, they have a chance to be competitive. I don't know.

I don't love betting winners because it's just, I don't. It's hard. de-fitting. I don't like it. I like betting locks and stuff like that. Yeah. Or parleyes.

But I would say... Opposite of a lock. Well, I would... I like parlays that are locks. I know. You know what I mean? Those kind of parlaying. But I would say,

I would have a little fun putting a little on Kyle. Because Kyle's going to win. Kyle is going to win again. Kyle Bush will win again. Yeah. You need to be paying. You need to be getting that money.

This is a place where it could happen. This is it. Yes. And I think Austin Dillon's plus 4,000. I think if you're going to pick one, I'd rather pick plus 3,000 on Kyle. I think there's more value there. Yeah. But Austin's got a little momentum.

I thought he had a really good Walkins-Gland. He does, and I think I would bet him top 10. Yeah. But I'll tell you who my wild card is going to be Chase Briscoe. Yeah, he's plus 1,400. That's for us his sleeper. That is going to be, he was also fast at Iowa. I don't think he can beat Bell or head.

I mean, I love the fact, I think he, I think he can outrun anyone else in the field, but beat him at a polo? His own teammates. Yeah. Honestly, I was, one of my best bets was going to be just bet Joe Gibbs to win. It's, it's probably not going to be like crazy. Unfortunately, 88 years old doesn't drive racing. Oh, oh, sorry.

Come on. But I mean, Briscoe was outrunning all of them. I'm a dad, had to say it. Briscoe was out running all the other, all his teammates at Iowa. Briscoe's found something. And that car... Oh, Briscoe's on it. That car is fast at Richmond.

All right. We're going to put a little money on Brisco and we'll put a little on Bush. Dude, it's all the bees. Bees. It's all the bees. I mean, it's a little bit on Brad too. I mean, dang, why not? Can't wait for Brett.

But Brad's first name. It's not the last name. It's different. Does it matter? Why does it matter? He's not a true killer B. I know count... I know the count on...

On Sesame Street was a numbers guy. But if he was a letters guy, he would go... The letter is B. The letter is B today. I did not have the Sesame Street drop on this one. The letter is B. Cookie Monster was in Iowa. Ah, ah, ah, ah.

I never watched my Sesame Street. Wild pull. Wild pool. We used to, this is just some dumb shit that me and Rick Allen used to do in the booth. Apparently. It is when we were up there working a race or a practice or something.

And somebody said, it'd be like, you know, just some, you know, we'd be under break, under commercial, and somebody goes out there and it's like, oh, Legato jumped up to eight. Eight. Ah, ah, ah, ah. What the. We would just, I don't know, man. Just some fun of shit we used to do.

It's a long race. It's a long weekend. Yeah. Rick sounds like he would be a funny guy to do that stuff. His voice is doing it. It would be funny. He, he's a, Rick has got some work. Yeah.

that. Yeah. Rick might be doing some football college football. I know that he might be doing a couple of college football games and also, which could tumble into some more opportunities. And he's also doing the Panthers PA. Oh, nice. Very cool.

So when you go to a Panthers game, sitting in the stadium, you will hear Rick Allen tell you about what's going on. Price Young, Interception. Interception. I don't know that he's doing play by play. I don't know he's doing play by play. It's probably like first down or whatever. First down.

I don't know what he's doing. Interception. Panthers. The Panthers move to O and two. Two. Ah. Look, you guys are smiling. You know what I mean?

I don't know if I'm laughing with you or at you. Don't say a number because I'll do it. All right. Anything else for Iowa for Dirty Mo Dyerfellas? I'm sorry, Richmond. Nope. No, I'm good with Richmond. I think we're on it.

I think the bees are going to dominate. The bees are going to dominate. The bees. All right. Just to, I mean, this is a little bit confusing, but just to summarize. All right, we got Bell, Brad, Byron. That's our top manufacturer parlay. Yes.

Race wins. We're going to bet Kyle Busch and we're going to bet Briscoe. We're put a little error. and let's see how it all Nets out. Love it. Hell yeah, brother. The only problem is is we're fucking betting

against ourselves. So if Brisco wins, he's fucking up our parley. Yeah, but we'll win enough that it'll cover it. It's like hedging. I feel like we're,

all right, we got a good shot at it, though. We got them all covered. All right. We're covering ourselves with only one has to hit and we make money. All right.

Got you. Hey, that's how we're doing it here at Dirty Modo. Thank you to everybody for listening. The segment is brought to you by a fan duel. Fan duel

The premier gaming destination In the United States All right, it's time for the white flag The Tear Down is live on YouTube and Twitter following the race Jeff Gluck and Jordan Bianchi Man they are stirring the shit Have you guys been paying attention

to the social media reaction to some of these guys' takes Man, they go after them They do and I think Jordan and Jeff do a great job I'm creating them Jordan he's like defending all the fucking all the shit coming

at him. I don't know how he keeps track of the which take he's going to defend each time. It looks like Keanu Reeves and the Matrix or whatever it was. They have, they've been going around and around about road courses and also

the points and the points, the playoff, how the playoff may or may not change and what's, you know, what's this and what's that? It's been a lot of fun hearing them go back and forth and also the takes that they have. Actions detrimental dropped on Monday,

Denny Hamlin, covering a lot of things going on in the sport. He had his opinion. about Austin Hill and different things. Love hearing Denny, you know, give his opinion on some of them takes. It's, you know, he is a guy that's in the muck driving a race car. I think all drivers ought to have podcasts. I think all of them ought to be out there.

Only if they were 30 miles. Yeah. Well, I just believe I love Denny's show because he is driven the fucking car that Sunday. And I can trust I'm getting the real inside information. And he's been in a lot of these scenarios at some point in his career. And he actually calls the fucking, you know, he talks about, he's pretty fair. He is most of the time. Yeah.

His opinions don't annoy me. I'll say, even when I don't agree with him. When he says stuff, you're like, yeah, you know what? I can relate to that a little bit. Yeah. Doorbopper Clear also dropped on Monday. Connor Zillich and Josh Williams both joined. Didn't Josh join?

Yep. Yeah, he's not listed here. Y'all fucking got the Josh Williams disrespect. What's f***? Because he's not Connor. Because he's not Connor. Okay. Josh was the first one to raise his hand.

when they were online looking for guests. So I know you guys don't watch social media very much. But I saw it. Yeah. Well, I'm just saying like he should be referenced here. I had to do that. My interview with Robin Pemberton will drop on Wednesday. It's going to be great to see Robin.

Hadn't talked to him in a while. Great friend of mine. Speed Street and Herm and Schrader are also coming out on Wednesday. Speed Street should be good. Speed Street should be good. I wonder if Connor Daly will have anything to say. He's getting in all kinds of trouble. got Austin Hill, man.

Another episode of Bless Your Heart with Amy is out this Thursday. Man, we've had a good run. Last week was fun. That was a good one. We've got some to talk about this week. Uh-oh. Some fun. Oh, boy.

I can't spoil it. You're making me nervous, though. And remember, I'm running in the cars tour this weekend at Anderson. If you want tickets, go to the track website at Anderson, South Carolina. There's a couple of Anderson racetracks out there. Don't get them confused. And also watch on flow on Saturday night. Well, it looks like the weather's going to be pretty good.

Should erase it on Sunday. Nah, I want a Sunday off. Whoa, that way you could get... I retired from Sundays.