The Dale Jr. Download - Atlanta: Will Hocevar’s Driving Cost Him?

Episode Date: February 24, 2026

Dale Earnhardt Jr. is back in the studio after a thrilling weekend in Atlanta for a new edition of Dirty Air. He joins co-host TJ Majors to unpack the high-banks thrills and more: Atlanta continues to be the best ticket of the year Carson Hocevar continues to disrupt Sheldon Creed finally breaks through JR Motorsports day at Atlanta Lee Pulliam gets his shot in the O’Reilly Series NASCourt is back in session During the Ask Jr. portion of the episode, listeners sent in questions regarding: Dale’s new 3D printer If you could shoot a liquid out of each fingertip, which five would you choose? Which former Cup driver would Dale like to see compete in a one-off? Which tracks would Dale like to see on iRacing? Keelan Harvick’s new Toyota Development deal   Plus, in the Dirty Mo Dough segment, the guys discuss if it’s worth betting on SVG this weekend and if the books have it wrong with Zilisch’s odds. And, who are some possible top-10 bets? Check out Dirty Mo Media on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@DirtyMoMedia  Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

We know he can clean it up. You know why? We watched that truck race where he's teammates to Bush. And what did he do? He pushed his teammate to the win. Then to the duel. So we know he's got some common sense in there. He knows how to do it right, do it clean or whatever you want to call it.

And then we go and watch that clip here. Yeah. And then sometimes he's like, I'm, hey man. Then we watch this clip here. I also will say that Atlanta lends itself to that sort of balls to the wall mentality. The following is a production of. Dirty Mo Media. This is the most fun I've had in this chair in the last hour and a half.

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This box. Right here. There you go. Full of meat. So coming out of Atlanta, Atlanta delivers again. We talked about how Atlanta's, in my opinion, the best ticket on the series right now. Well, easy now. It's a good one.

It's the best ticket on the series. Tell me a better one. Bristol. You're open your mouth. Bristol's pretty damn good race still. Bristol's pretty good. It ain't like this. Bristol's pretty good.

Bristol's hitting miss. Charlotte. Charlotte 600 is pretty good. Kansas. Kansas is hitting miss. Kansas is pretty good, but it don't, it ain't, it ain't Atlanta. Atlanta's been fun. Hey, you like that.

You know we're going to get with Atlanta and it delivers every time. If you ran better Atlanta, you'd be saying what we're saying. We've ran good there. But it's, I do enjoy it. Brad was up there all day. Yeah, we were okay. Atlanta is my favorite track because I know that this, I want to say this, the cup guys, I know they're driving their ass off, you know, set Daytona aside with the fuel saving.

I know everywhere else they're driving their ass off. But at Atlanta, I see it. Atlanta is a fan and I'm watching, I see it. I see. Them busting their ass and working their ass hard. The big lifts. Oh, man. It's awesome.

Fun to watch. Fun to watch. I want that at Daytona. So bad. Yep. I would love it at Daytona. Atlanta was awesome. And we knew it would be they dropped the green flag and it's just balls to the wall, hard as they can go.

And it's so much fun to watch. So I, um. This race was a lot, a lot more handling kind of with the cold weather than I expected. Every year that we go back to Atlanta, you're going to have less. and less and less grip handling. That place is right in the, in, kind of in that,

if you look geographically at a lot of the racetracks that are in that sort of area, you got Darlington, Rockingham, Atlanta, and that little sand belt. Those racetracks

were very quickly comparable to tracks north of Charlotte, west of Charlotte. You know, even, you know, I would say, you know, Daytona. But right in that little strip of the Mid-Atlantic region, I don't know what it is about the asphalt or the temperature, the weather. Atlantic gets some crazy weather.

It gets snow, everything, too, so. That place will age quickly. The surface is going to age quickly. And handling is going to be more and more and more important every time they go back. And we're just, it's going to be such a swing or such a jump from race to race. it'll be tough for the teams to really nail and be on top of it and that's always going to be cool for us fans to see some drivers not quite land it just right and be a little bit too loose or a little bit out of control

so let's dive into that race Carson Hosevar racing aggressively all right shocker he he wrecked bail at the end and everybody is you know everybody's wanting to hear our opinion now everybody's got an opinion about Hosevar we talk about him at length here about his

you know his style and um I mean there was multiple incidents to I mean there was a Lugano incident with him as well but was that was Lugano on his was that what happened Host of ours fault yes it was host of ours fault the broadcast seemed to

but here's the thing so the broadcast laid it around on the race says well at a three quarter mark of the corner you kind of turned down a little because nobody runs the fence at the three quarter mark of the corner you can't like it's not possible so the whole group moves down a little bit. Oh, I remember that.

Off turn four. Yes. He tried to fit in behind him and just misjudged it, in my opinion. This ain't no bullshit. I was like he tried to fit in behind him. I don't, I don't think he was trying to. He was, they were all lined up on the top. I was watching that, and especially when we're on Hosevar,

Hosevar's coming up to track. I know that the 22 also is shading down. Yes, both of them are one's shading down, one's coming up, but Hosevar can see him. And in my mind, in the driver code that I kind of know is like if I'm, if I'm on the inside and I see you off the right front of my car, it's kind of my job not to run into you. Right. But 22 was coming down a little bit, but Hosevar, in my opinion, had an opportunity to not run into him. And Hosevar, in my opinion, was coming up, coming up the racetrack, driving up track across lanes to get there.

So it was a bit. I would say it was like 70-30 Hosevar Ligano. So Lugano can't Lugano's just coming down off the corner. He's just coming down off the corner. He's not chopping him. He's not,

he ain't changing lanes. But did he come down some? Yeah. But Hosefar is the one that can actually see him and go, all right, I'm not going to hit you. I'm going to turn more and wrap the corner. And there was a gap there

and there was like two cars behind him, single file on the top. So if he can get up right there, down the front stretch, he's going to get a massive run. So watching it unfold. I'm just saying they hit, one guy who got spun out,

how do you split the fault? I would say it's 6040, 70, 30, something like that. Yeah, probably. More so for Ho's Bar. Late in the race, though. Listen, what is Hosevar supposed to do? He's getting shoved like crazy from behind. Where is he supposed to send that?

If he runs in the back of Bell, I think he wrecks Bell. Let's watch it. I feel like that the one of Chastain is full throttle in the back of the 77, right? Yeah, I don't feel like he wrecks him. They would hit so hard to enter into the front stretch. I'm telling you, man. Oh, he's not on him.

No, they're not on there. Where is he? Oh, now he's kind of on in there. He shoots it. So he's aiming for that gap. Yeah. He definitely aimed for that gap. Oh, yeah, he did.

He aimed for the gap. And there wasn't. Just don't do that. Wasn't old. If they stay bumper to bumper, I don't think he wrecks him. because those guys would get mad. They would hit each other so hard. Yeah.

And I'm like, oh my gosh, they're going to wreck. And then they would hate each other hard and keep on digging. I'm like, wow, they would hit hard. Listen,

there's no way around it. No. I mean, they ain't no way around this. Hostavar is fully to blame for what happened. Yeah. If the 20 moves up another three feet, he's in there.

Like, it's so close. But like, I think Denny might have said, like, he's tired, like, he's going for it.

Yeah, he's going for it. But you're also ruining people's races now. and at some point it's got to bite you, right? Oh, I mean, he don't care. But is anybody actually going to truly pay him back? I don't know. I mean, why are we going to debate this? What is or who it will?

That's what TJ saying is going to bite you back, but is it? I don't know. Maybe not. You can't keep wrecking people without it sometimes. I get so sick of that. We're here right now to talk about whether this is his fault or not his fault. And I think it's clear that, you know, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, bears the responsibility for everything that happened right you know

does this come back on him we don't know we do not know and I'm not gonna I don't want to waste time on this show going well yeah I bet somebody gets him back oh you don't think somebody will get him back I bet they do isn't that what we're supposed to do talk about racing stuff I mean I mean Blaney gets a text message and he's okay but he's cool with him

I just don't see these drivers talk a big game about and they never really truly go like do something to him I agree Well, all right, I play this game. I feel like that eventually, yes, somebody will do something. Yeah, I do. I think that there'll be a time when, you know, somebody in it may be Denny, you know,

that says, you know what, my races. You know, I'm not having a fucking good race today. And you are? And you are. And it's my chance. I'm already going to finish, you know, wherever. So here's my, you know, we'll just go ahead and make it hard on you. How'd you like you like?

that, you know. So, I mean, I definitely think that that will happen. I know the, the guys will, I know the drivers get out of the car and they'll say, well, he's going to regret that one these days. And we don't see anything. But eventually, yes, eventually enough's enough and somebody will, we'll drop the hammer. But is he going to learn from like, do we think he changes? Like Ross finally changed? No. It's going to take two or three times for some. This is who he is, man. This cat's different. I don't think that he has the,

and this is not a knock at all, I just don't think he has the ability to have the remorse or, or, listen, I mean, I know he, I think he does understand right from wrong. I think he does know when there's, when he makes a mistake or he doesn't do something just right, or he makes a bad decision or whatever, right? He's gotten outdone interviews, we've heard him talk,

we know that he has common sense. But I don't know that he, I don't know that he's going to take a ton of advice from his competitor. He might take advice from somewhere else. I mean, he told you last year he's not really friends with the other cup driver. So it's not like he has a mentor to be like, hey, like. Yeah, but I mean, he probably listens to other people. He listens to his team owners, the people inside of his shop. What are they telling him to do?

If they're telling him, hey, man, keep on being you, he's going to do what they tell him to do. He's going to do what his people tell him to do. because those are the people that matter. Those are the people that just gamble. Those are the people that just committed to him. Yeah, to sign that extension. Yeah. So, like, those are his, those are the people he's going to listen.

He's not going to listen to, you know, Danny or, or Ligano or anybody else. Those aren't the people that are signing his paycheck or those aren't the people that are responsible for his future or his opportunity that he has right now. So he's going to listen to what does team owners say, you know, and his crew chief and all. his people that he trust, all his friends in his circle. If they're all telling him, don't change, keep being you, that's probably what we're going to get. Yeah, I'd say that that extension was all we need to know

what Spire thinks of him. They're saying, keep doing you. Yeah. And I honestly feel like that he doesn't want to drive or do it any different. He loves how he drives. He loves his style. Do you think two or three DNFs in a month hurt him?

It didn't seem to bother him last year. Remember when he become, after Nashville, he stumbled all the way through the rest of the season. Yeah, I did. And most of it was self-inflicted, you know, getting into stuff like this that would end up, you know, he'd get the wrong end of or the bad end of. And it didn't seem to like... But I'm saying if guys, if it's incidents that happen where guys are like, yep, I'm done with you.

And there's a couple of them. Oh, yeah. And he gets a couple DNS and he starts seeing them points disappear real quick now. Yeah, I don't know. Does that change them? It's got to make your race. differently than I don't know.

It might. I mean, he might start driving differently. At what point? People just start taking him out. At what point does this? I just don't know.

Like if he doesn't, like what's the timeline for this? If he can keep driving like this, but does he have to win? He's got to win eventually, right? Or he's got to run good. Like, it's hard to tell.

Like I would say yes, but I don't, but if Spire is happy with their car being up there and finishing where it's at and the sponsors are happy, then I don't, like, I don't know what Spire's ultimately.

goal is with the host of our right and at least for right now I don't know but definitely a good fit with each other I like what he's doing I mean I like watching him I like he creates a lot of headlines he's a good try like he's good too

he's good yeah we give fire credit they're running back this used to be a program just a couple years ago that literally running in the back of the pack and wasn't even putting tires on all day long you know they were running old time we sponsored fire at Darlington when Chastain was driving the car

and they they weren't even putting tires on with the rest of the teams. Big improvements. Oh, yeah. It's a completely improved organization, but we still, we don't look at them

like a top three. We still look at them as an underdog. I still do. And not a top four or five. I look at Spire still with that underdog mentality. I do.

And as long as he's taking this Spire underdog car and battling around the big boys up front. He just wrecked a, Gibbs car at the end of the race. It looks like it still appears that he's over, he's outperforming expectations, right? And so yes, he can stumble wreck.

He can fail in the end, in the end result of the race. But I think his money, people are going to go, damn, we are close. Keep digging, you know, we're right there, man. That's important too. It is. And so I feel like now when that shifts,

say they win a race or two and they get a little, you know, they start, if it shifts to, all right, man, now we're a winning team and now we need to go out there and knock out the top. We got a shot at winning the championship. Let's knock out them top three, them top five. And he doesn't adapt and adjust. That could be when you start to see the, is this worth it? The problems or the people in his circle telling him, all right, man, now we need to polish it up, right? We got to get to where we can get to the finish line every week.

With all that said, the dude's sitting fourth in point. he's fourth in stage points. Yeah. Like he's just been consistent. So even though, you know, he's banging around and tearing up cars and, and, and pissing off the competition, looking at that sheet right there with him fourth in points, I don't think anybody in the organization is going to tell him to change too much. And I hope he doesn't.

Yeah. You remember when we were talking about a year or two, a couple years ago, just in, Marks said about, they were like, hey, man, what is trackout? and he says we want to be disruptive. We want to be. And that's kind of this mentality of Carson. He's like, I don't know that he's intentionally like going by this, but he's a disruptor.

And sometimes those, that can be unsettling on the competition and be, be productive, right? I think there's one thing that I would love for you to put in a clip. Denny doesn't like it. He said so on his podcast that, The competitors aren't happy, but the media is. Well, he's right. The media loves it, by the way.

Just ask him and they'll tell you, oh, we love host fart. Well, no question you do, because he's giving you some content. As a competitor, though, it's going to come back around. He'll be in a position where he thinks he's about to win, and then someone will decide that he's not going to, and that's going to suck. You're just never going to get anyone to give you a break. He certainly is exciting to watch if you're a race fan. Those are not the moves that you have to.

make to win the race nowadays. I think he's missing a little bit of the craftsmanship of winning these races beyond just having a fast car. Let me ask you this. I keep hearing while he's going for it. If I'm three car links behind Carson Hostvar and I go through the grass into turn one and then wipe them out, is that just me going for it or is that me being an idiot? An idiot. I think we have to stop using the, well, it's just going for it. I almost hate that we're bringing more attention to it because it's just, I think he likes that. This is, while I know that this is a big, massive thorn in the side of any of the drivers that are in this guy's weight, it is great for the sport to have at least a couple guys out

there willing to shoot the gap, you know, willing to try to make a hole where there's not a hole, willing to try to, kind of like, you know, Brackzalowski at Texas, right, when he drove through Jeff Gordon and they end up, you know, Jeff Flack. Very similar situation. Brad was that guy back then. He was going for the hole.

He was going to take, you know, he's going to go for it. And it pissed people off. And it barrels, you know, filled out on the pit road. And we had that incredible scene. And this is who host of our is. And our sport badly needs a couple guys like that in the field.

Oh, it's so good to have them. So bad. I mean, you got drivers nervous. if they see him around because they're like, oh, is he going to? Well, I think that, you know, listen, and we know he can do it. We know he can clean it up. You know why? We watched that truck race where he's teammates to Bush.

And what did he do? Pushed him. Nothing. Right? He pushed his teammate to the win. The end of the duel. Yep. Into the duel too.

Nothing. Just, you know, he's got some common sense in there. He knows how to do it right, do it clean or whatever you want to call it. Then we go and watch that clip here. Yeah, and then sometimes he's like, I'm, hey, man. Then we watch this clip here. I also will say that Atlanta lends itself to that sort of balls to the wall mentality. I mean, the way they race all day long there, how could you not be willing to just risk it all on that final restart with an opportunity to win the race?

I also wonder, was he getting amped up because during that red flag that he's doing the whole shaking and bake stuff? So then you're like sitting the car ready to go and that happens. And you imagine that he's, yeah. like feeding him one of these red bulls. Yeah, he's just ready to go. Get him some wings and fly. At Atlanta with the green white checkered, I would not want to see the 77 in my mirror.

Yeah, that's not who I'd want the lineup to help. And that's a compliment. All right. I know, you know, a lot of people are going to, you know, a lot of people are going to be on either side of this. They're going to say, hey, man, I like it. I love the wild mentality and what kind of action and drama it creates. Some people are going to be mad.

he's wild man well that's a good thing though honestly for the sport what were you going to ask me earlier Travis I was just say as a spotter when you see him are you telling Brad like is it are you like your ears perk up when you are eyes like wide when you see him you're definitely more yeah I mean one bar I mean that's what I'm great yeah so TJ and I back in the day I love this man we had a code for the ability of drivers what we thought about what we had a code for what we thought about a driver's mentality and common sense. And it was basically like the bars of service that you have on your cell phone. We had one bars, two bars, three bars, and four bars.

It was great because we knew exactly what it meant and no one else did. Yeah, no one else did. TJ would be like, all right, man, one bar. Yeah, outside one bar. That means give him a little room. Yes, that means watch your fucking ass. And I told TJ, I was like, you need to bring that back with Carson and all the other guys you're working with. I still use it on the cup side sometimes.

Yeah. You got to bring it back because it's very effective. It was actually, even though it's kind of funny, it was absolutely a quick, easy way to give your drivers some information. Yeah, what you're around. Yes. Yeah. Actually, it was probably more beneficial at the time than it started off as a joke. Screw that guy.

He's a jerk or he's bad or whatever. 2A. You actually kind of knew what you were racing around more. That's right. Yeah. Yeah. People would ask all the time. What's that mean?

What's that mean? Yeah. All the time. Well, you don't want to get called a one bar. Yeah. want to be a one bar. Bubba Wallace, let's talk about Bubba.

Loses the lead on the final restart. Bubba, in line on the bottom in front of his teammate, three Toyota's all lined up and just, man, middle of the back straightaway.

He pulls up. I don't think you can defend it. Those runs into three Atlanta are so big, like. No, no, no. The middle lane. They got three wide, right?

Off into turn one, host of ours on the outside. Bubba's now clear into the lead. He's got his, Perfect. He's got his teammates behind him, the 45 of Reddick and the 19. The outside line has the inside. Yep.

This is where he moves up. And he went too far. Went too far. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, I mean, that's kind of, that's, I don't know, man. Like, you're telling him to watch the top. Roll it back. What kind of rumble was the 45 producing was staying there an option, right?

I honestly feel like, see, the 45 is getting ready to get a push. If he stays down there. No, staying there was, I don't think you. I don't know. Look, they're side by side. Watch to go to the back straightaway. All right, 45. 19 aren't connected here.

45s. He's on them right here. I mean, he's off of them right there. So in the outside's build momentum. So you come up. That's too far up. You got to keep the guy square with you in the mirror. You got to go to second lane.

But I think Hosevar splits him either way. And if Hosevar gets to the outside of him. What if the 23 never moved off the nose of the 45? That's my point. Why would he not stay in front of his teammates? I think they get to his quarter panel. Let's see. Go back.

Because the outside was coming with a run. Like, they're connected right there. The outside's connected. Inside is not. Not on his quarter panel. Inside is not connected. Outside's connected. Outside's connected.

They're coming. Not on his quarter panel. They're coming. They're going to get to his quarter panel and he's stuck on the bottom and the three. No, they're side by side. 45 and 77, side by side. Two cars tandeming go faster down the straightaway than two cars that don't. They didn't because they're still side by side.

4577, deal side by side. I mean, there's... 45 wins the race. The guy he could have been in front of. And you know Reddick's not going to do anything crazy. The 23 and 45, don't just get here and be like, okay, let's connect. Like, there's a, there's a time in there where it takes them, like, no, the 77 is getting his quarter panel.

If they're connected on the bottom, he's half in front of him. The 23 is half in front of, or the 77 is half in front of the 45 on the bottom. Go back to the backstretch. I agree. So he's going to, so he's going to be on the quarter panel on the 77. He's going to, yep, and he's going to drag him back to the 45. to the 45, the 45 is going to push him clear? No, they lift too early for the corner.

You can't drive in like that on the bumper right there. Like right there, look where the 77 is right there. If they're no, if they're bumper to bumper on the bottom, he's got his quarter panel. Bubba's going to have to drive it in deep and clear him. Yeah. Going to have to have to. I feel like that's what you should have done. But I don't feel that the 77 is not going to drive it in deep with him.

Yeah. So. I wish you to stay low. Yeah, who knows. I mean, I think the 77 gets there. And if you protect the side of the car here, it's usually the right. right side, especially on the entry to three. Sheldon Creek gets his first win.

Yeah, good for Sheldon. Hard to believe. I know, like 15 or 16 or something top, like second place finishes. Yeah. Holy cow. Yeah, it looked like there at one point, Junior Merge Sports had a lot of cars up in the top, top five, and then we all wrecked off of, we got down into turn three. Corey Day apparently had a right front tire flat.

Yeah, after you hit, that's what happens. Well, I saw replay. and the tire is flat going off into three. Yeah. That did. Well, replayed you see. Bumper cam off the one car. Yeah, after the smoke.

Look, man, I'm just telling you what I saw. The bumper cam shows the car driving up the inside with a tire up. When he enters the car. Yeah, it does. It looks the same on the entry to one. You think Corey Day went in there and wrecked on purpose? I don't think it did it on purpose at all. Well, what did it do?

Overdrove. Overdrove the corner. Overdrove driving too hard, trying too hard. Okay. I don't know. He wouldn't do that. It never does that. Well, he's got a lot of race car, and he's trying to, you know,

he's not got quite the experience. Yeah, he's got plenty of speed. He's going to get there. Yeah. I, uh, you know, wrecked both, wrecked the one and the seven. That sucked. The one and the seven were having a good day. The seven came from the back because NASCAR didn't like the side skirt.

I guess we yanked on the side skirt after qualifying or before qualifying, and NASCAR saw it and said it. pick the side skirt off, you're going to the back. So that was a nice little lesson learned. Raja did a great job. Thought he had a shot at it. Sammy squeezed him in the fence there and cut his own right rear tires. Sammy cut his own right rear tire.

Sammy's going to have a good day, but ended up costing himself some points there and a good finish. Were you coaching him a little bit during the race? Well, I was on everybody's pit box, and I was in everybody's ear at some point. what's your decision on when to like jump in there and well i yeah do you scan all at one time or what do you do just flip around i just wherever i'm at whatever box i'm on got you listening to them um rajah was raja had a great car he was making some great moves but i saw him late in the race sitting on guys right rear quarter panels just kind of waiting on them to fall asleep and leave enough room for him to jump to the outside of them

and I'm not sure that he realized I just wanted to kind of remind him at the end of the race like hey man 15 to go here we're coming to you know we're coming to the green 16 15 to go that's going to go by like that that's going to go by really quick and so we can't just kind of wait for the outside to open up on some of these guys if you get a big run and you've got to go to the bottom and take your chances on that working

or not working we may have to try to you know grab a few spots down low Austin Hill would. Just go where they're not with the big runs you can create. And we'll see where we net out here to get a good finish. Because he had a, Roger had a lot of stage points. We had new tires. We were on the offense. Yeah.

And at the end you get help too. Yeah. People want to go forward. And he got himself back up in there in the top 10, got a good result. And he's sitting right now second point. So pretty happy with that. Austin Hill, you know, didn't qualify well, didn't look all that great earlier in the race. handling issues in the first stage, but they got the car better.

And when we got late in the day and it cooled down, their cars, the two and the 21 seemed to be the ones to beat. The junior motor sports guys had eliminated themselves. And here was the 21, ready to capitalize on a whim. But Ross Chastain in the 32 was strong. Yeah, it was. And had nothing to lose. Down the back straightaway, it looked like Austin Hill threw a block and Ross stood his

ground and send him across the apron. But anyways, just an eventful race. Wish we would have been able to get the M result that we deserve. But we're off Dakota. I think we'll go out there with some good potential to get some good stuff. Big announcement today. Big announcement. Big announcement.

So Lee Pulliam is going to be making his O'Reilly series debut driving the number nine Folsom Fence Supply Chevy on March 28th at Martinsville Speedway for junior motor sports. Nice. Lee is a staple. Lee's a winner of over 175 late model stock races,

four-time national champion, just so many track championships, done a lot of great things at the grassroots or regional level in late model stocks. And so he's that guy like, you know, that did enough,

but never got looked at, never got the chance. I was going to ask like, how does that not translate into something. He never got the call, right, to get to get up there and give it a shot in the trucks or the Riley series or the Xfinity series. So we have always remained friends with him through the cars for.

We often pit side by side. Yeah, see him a lot. Him and Brian, Schaefer that runs our program, get along great. And Josh Barry, when Josh raced regularly at the regional late model stock ranks, he would always say, you know, I have a lot of respect for Lee. I think Lee's one of the best drivers out here. And that imprinted on me, I would, you know, I would, I had a lot of respect for Lee through that, you know, through that relationship that him and Josh had on the racetrack.

They were, they were fierce competitors. And, you know, we, we, uh, we had an opportunity. So Lee goes to Mark, Lee quit driving. Lee gave up driving to own, to own his car and, and put. drivers in it like butter bean and so forth. And that was his path, right? He's now a businessman trying to run his racing program. His father was ill and he promised his dad.

He would give it another shot at Martinsville. Go try to run to 300 and win it again. He's won it three times, I believe. Which is incredible. Yep. And so he goes back last year and loses the 300 after not being in the car for a long time. loses 300 by mere inches. Cross the finish line side by side,

but did not win the race. I called him immediately after the race, and I was like, dude, that was amazing. I was like, we have to figure out how to get you in a junior motor sports car. And so we have the fifth car. I called our team. I said, let's make this work.

However we have to do it. Let's figure it out. Lee has some partners that are interested in supporting it. And so we're thankful for Folsom Fence Supply. And they've been around racing a lot. They've been around him. Yeah, they've helped him. Anyway, so we ran Lee in our late model stock at Southern National at the end of the year during the Thanksgiving Classic.

Lee's going to run a few more races this year to sort of get his mind and body back in shape and in racing form in the late model stock and cars tour ranks. And so, yeah, we've been, we've had this announcement ready and teed up for quite a while. You'll see a video on social media that our team created that I'm very excited about that will sort of show you, you know, what this dude's about. But this is Lee. This is Lee Pulliam. This is every racer that ever did everything right, won all the races, did, got all of the, accomplished all the things that would be deserving of an opportunity,

but it never came. And so he's going to finally get a chance to go put the, suit on, climb in the car, and see what it feels like to race at the top three level. It's a one and done kind of thing. There's no plans beyond this, but I felt like Lee deserves and earns the chance to go see what it feels like and do this. And so he's going to have to go up there, qualify, and race well. We've got him in Sim.

We're working with him trying to get him up to speed and get him comfortable. and I expect him to have a great experience and I can't wait to be there for it. How hard is that to not race and jump in and race? Because, I mean, you've kind of experienced that when you would do. That was the most surprising thing. To me, Travis, was he hadn't been in the car in four years and he went to Martin'sville two years ago,

ran top 10. And that's against the best late model stocks in the country. And he didn't race anymore. jump back in the late model stock at Martinsville this past year and lost by an inch, literally. And so nearly having done no racing won the biggest late model stock race of the year. And so pretty fascinating. And that's why I think I was like, damn, man. I mean, this guy can still do it if he really wanted to.

If you really could financially run every race, he'd continue. for cars for championship. He'd contend for track championships at the regional level. He would contend for, you know, the national title at the regional level. So. This fits, I think it fits him well, this car and that track to go to and adapt to. And if you know how to get around Martinsville, if he can apply what he already knows, so how that car drives, which should drive pretty good, he's going to be fine.

Yeah. Like, it's going to take him the first stage, stage and a half, almost two stages. but if he can keep track position for that third stage, I think he can be a top 10 car. Yeah. So. Well, we'll see. It's going to be a lot of fun.

I can't wait to be there to see it. Hopefully, you know, all our cars will run great. The JGR suing Gabehart drama. Whoa. Didn't see that on coming. How did we not see this coming? I don't know. I mean, there's a lot of good secrets.

I guess we weren't at the right lunch meetings. This has been going on since the end of last year. and no one knew. We had to know, because you're right, because he disappears, but he doesn't pop up on another roster.

Like, that had to be setting radars off that's something. But you heard the, you heard rumblings of him possibly going, you know, there and stuff.

You heard that. I mean, you heard rumors of that, didn't you? Yeah. Well, we knew that Gabe Hart had left JGR

and was going to Spire. That rumor was out there. That's what, yeah. And I didn't, you know, we didn't think anything of it. No.

The one thing that I thought was like, why? What happened? I mean, he was kind of promoted out of his position as crew chief for Denny I thought he had been promoted up

right into like a technical director role yeah and then when Gibbs Ty Gibbs was struggling meets season he was he was it was kind of it sounded like he was like all right I'm going to go also try to straighten this out yeah like that to me sounds like okay this is a valuable piece of their

their system and then at the end of the year he's leaving. I'm like, what happened? Yeah, you don't get asked to do that. You're the save. You're supposed to be the savior for that car. Did he? Well, what happened?

Then you're gone. Well, I mean, so then you start to like make assumptions of like, well, did they have a falling out with Ty Gibbs? Did Spire offer a lot of money? That was what a lot of people. I would, that's the thing. Like, I can't imagine Spire outbitting Gibbs. And they've been throwing money around.

That's like a new, well, that's like a new developer. I know they throw money around. I know they got money, but it also alleges that during the forensic analyst, so he offered up, I suppose, his devices and so forth for analysts, they learned that Gabe Hart, who as competition director

had access to confidential information at nearly every facet of the competition side, accessed information, proprietary information, and used his personal cell phone to take photos of his laptop screen to conceal that he was accessing and taking JGR's confidential information and trade secrets.

Like pictures of setup, all types of stuff, right? And I don't want to do any hearsay here, but I mean, it was like they said he even had folders labeled, spire, past setup, all, I mean, it's like this obvious train of, of concealment. And, yeah, it's, it's wild.

He had a subfolder titled Pass Setup. He had a folder. He had a drive that had a folder on it titled Spire and then a subfolder passed it. I mean, goodness. According to Jordan Bianchi, we're not reporting this. Right. And there were Google searches

and online research about Spire in October and November. So was he, was he like doing? a little bit of a personal check on that organization. Damn, dude. I am nervous. But apparently, look, he came out after this, you know, after JGR files their lawsuit and puts out all of these claims. He puts out his own little, his own little rebuttal.

You know, I look forward to the opportunity to just demonstrate in the court that I have not shared JGR's confidential information with anyone. In fact, I have already demonstrated that to JGR. A third-party forensic expert retained by JGR recently examined my laptop cell phone and personal Google Drive and found no evidence to support the baseless allegations in the lawsuit. We even offered JGR the opportunity to do a similar review of Spire System, and they refused that offer and still filed the lawsuit. So he says stay tuned. Yeah, going to be interesting.

don't know who to believe. I mean, initially, with what JGR put out, it sounded pretty obvious. That's a good response. That Gabe Hart was in trouble. But honestly, I don't really, how do we know these days, right? None of us really saw how the NASCAR

versus J-2311 suit was going to go. I don't think we all envisioned it going to court and then being settled after all the things that went on in a couple of days there. That was very dramatic. My hope, again, very similar to the way I felt about the last one, is that this settles. And, you know, the funny thing, I don't know how funny it is, but it felt funny.

All of this goes down, right? JGR files a suit very publicly puts out that statement. Gabe Hart responds publicly. Literally the next day, Spire puts out an announcement. Hey, we hired him. Gabe Hart's our guy. So that was them going, all right, we're in this mug's corner. And they stake their flag, and now it's on.

Now it's on. So what does, who is liable? If there is some sort of truth that some information was shared illegally, who's liable? Is it Spire? Is it Gabe Hart? Is it both? I think in the end, this settles.

And everything changes. I think this settles. I bet money guy at Spire says, you know what? Let's make this go away. Make this go away. Let's move on. And, you know, I think that's... We'll never really truly know, I don't think, how...

No. I don't think we'll know the truth. Whatever happened last year. But I think it gets... I think there's a settlement. It goes away and we don't know really how it got settled. I get why a team would want this. Because all the people are like, well, he has it in his memory, but like, he doesn't have all the different departments stuff.

So he had to access those things. And it's not all. his, it's not like he's just taking his own ideas over. Listen, in 1997, I had raced for Gary Hartgett and the late model stocks for three years. We had a notebook about three inches thick of setup where we'd raced it probably a dozen different racetrack. I was leaving, Gary, take my late model stock program up the road

to race out of my own shop. And I said to Gary, I was like, Gary, you're 55 years old. You got all this information and knowledge, your head. I'm a, I'm a 20 year old kid. I don't know crap. I need this book. And he was like, damn, you ain't taking my setup book. I'm like, well, I don't know it. I need it. And you do know it. And you can, you can probably put any of these setups right in the car without even looking in this book. And so I took the setup book. Damn, you let you have it? Well, he didn't want to, but I took it. I haven't, I had the damn thing somewhere. That's awesome.

Yeah, I haven't been able to find it, but it's hiding somewhere. Maybe he's got it. But like, you know, anytime anybody leaves an organization, they usually get them to sign a non-compete clause. Absolutely. And the reason why they get them to do that is because they do not want to race against that information the very next week or the very next year. And so while that person does sign the non-compete, they do have all that information. And they, I don't know, man.

I don't. Do you ever stop it? I don't think this is, I would say that you can't. police this to an extent to an extent but you know like i would say there's two sides of this one side is for gabe hart this it's been going on forever gavehart's a smart guy he's absolutely going to walk over to the next team and say hey here's some things that we did that work who wouldn't do that not even looking at a computer everyone that's what i'm going to expect if i'm hiring the guy absolutely that's why you're hiring him they rCR hired jim pull him you don't

think i'm racing against some of the that jim did here Yeah. In the Xfinity or Low Raleigh series. We know that. We expect that. And so that's what it's all about. You know? But that's been the thought process in this sport for 75 plus years.

But now, now this is the argument for JGR. I went over to Hendrick Motorsport and I walked into the engine department. Right. and there are multi-million dollar CNC machines and just crazy, crazy going on in there in terms of investment and the money they're spending to go fast.

I imagine, without question, JGR has poured millions, hundreds of millions of dollars into their program to get to where they are today, and that's what they're trying to protect. They're like, hey, you know, we've done all of this work to create this advantage. And you just took it and handed it to somebody. That's where I feel like they've got an argument.

If it is indeed true that he literally just copied and pasted all this information. Yeah, that's what I was going to say. handed it right to somebody else. Does, does JGR have a leg to stand on here because of the money being? spent to create this advantage, to know this knowledge, to develop this knowledge. If it was, you know, if it was regional late model stock or short track racing or even in the truck series, we're not probably having a lawsuit. We're not probably filing lawsuits.

But when it's $150, 200 million a year. Yeah. This is the top level. Yeah. I don't know how you assign fault. I don't know who you assign fault. Obviously, if Gabe Hart really did this, if he really did it, yeah. Yeah, he's at fault.

He's at fault. And his fire, kind of like the, you know, oh, well, goodness, we didn't, yeah. We didn't know. What are we going to, what are we supposed to do with this? You know, we're supposed to throw this and burn this information? So do you think it was because it was, do you think it was so fast? Like, okay, Gabe Hart leaves, usually there's a term. There's usually a time period like, okay, you can't work for a year.

Yeah, like a year. And then it's, okay, whatever you got. Nobody even looks at it. I felt like I read somewhere that there was some. when he left there was some maybe there was a non-compete that he didn't sign or I don't know yeah they weren't agreeing on something yeah I don't remember it either but I think I read the same thing yeah I felt like I read somewhere in this about a

a non-compete or some sort of a thing that didn't work out or didn't get agreed to or it didn't happen that's pretty standard in the industry it is it is it is I mean if but I mean like no Jim polium left go to we didn't I mean you know we knew that he was probably going to get asked by RCR, hey man, what are y'all what are y'all doing? What are they doing over there? How can we use that? You know, what do we add to our cars that we're not,

we don't have, right, that you're doing a junior motor sports. I mean, that's just way it goes. The difference is it's just what he has in his brain, not every little department information. We don't know what he printed off at home. I don't know what hell, we don't know what he was. And if you let a guy go though, like you gave him permission to go seek them opportunities. Like, that's what you do. Anyway, he's going to the cup series. He's moving up.

I mean, that's the thing. Like at a lower level, you just accept it for, unless you can get a non-compete for a year, you just accept that this is going to happen. But now that we're talking, you know, if you were, now that we're talking about teams that are spending hundreds of millions of dollars over the course of a couple of years to develop things and get advantages.

And, you know, now, now that changes a lot. But if he, like, if you, if there was a, if they actually went to the period of the non-competes, compete. It's really kind of over at that point. Then everybody's gone. There wasn't a non-compete in this situation. Yeah, apparently.

Because he left the end of last year and now he's. And I don't feel like JGR makes this claim if they're not pretty sure about what happened. Yeah. You know, so it's been interesting to see what happens. I know. It's that time of the month again to select our ultimate racing collector presented by Lionel Racing, the official diecast of NASCAR.

Lionel Racing is your go-to source for all of your racing diecast needs. Check out their latest pre-orders at. lionel racing.com. Let's go ahead and you got a video here. All right. You know the video. It's a long pit stop. I see some stairs.

We're heading downstairs. Man cave. Yeah. Oh, look for the one cars on the post. Yeah. A little tablet on the table. That's kind of cool or something. Yeah.

Look at the big E pillows. Yeah. Like that die cast. All types of die. Oh, he's got sprint cars. Look at all yours in the case. He's got all your old eight cars. the 88 cars.

Look at them all. Corvette. Got some Miller-like hands. Oh, dude, he's got a lot. I like that pillow. Yep. This is a great spot, man. Got a little trophy there.

On the tire. Look at the cutout with the helmet. Oh, damn, that is cool. That's smooth. Yeah. Deck lid. Dang. Like an Elliot Sadler deck lid.

Little Elliot Sadler. So you got the deck lid, and then it's like a little spoiler. Oh, the cars are sitting on. That's a great. collection, man. That is pretty cool. Do you notice the walls painted like the old 88 nationwide car?

Yeah. I like that. Little stripes and stuff. Yeah, we kind of ripped that off of mid-70s, Kell Yarborough. There's a quarter panel. Scheme. There's a little bit of everything, fenders and noses. A little Eric Amarola.

Yep. He's got everything. Yeah, it's good collection. Love all the die-cast, love the wall-mounted display cases. Yeah, even the cars at an angle off the wall back. there under that. There's some mini helmets here. Lots of TVs I'm liking, too.

Good tell. Yeah. Sitting in there hanging out. Oh, that's a dirt. That's a dirt door up there above that thing. Another cutout. Yep. Yeah, those little recess spots are pretty cool.

Look, a big E cut out. A little shrine to big E there. Yeah, that's pretty cool. So the winner for this month is Zab's Pit Stop on Twitter. Zabs Pit Stop on Twitter. Um, that's pretty apparently he has sent his video in before. He said, let's go.

Try it again. Oh, yeah. Nice. So this is a repeat entry. Um, and he is this month's winner of the ultimate racing collector presented by Lionel Racing, the official die cast of NASCAR.

Congratulations. Yeah. Well deserved. That was a great, great looking collection. If you didn't win, try again next month. Oh, dang. That's right. I actually have something for you at present.

I forgot it at home. Yeah. I know I really do. Oh. Yeah, no kidding. All right. We'll see how cool. I don't trust you.

It's pretty cool, but it might get cooler over time. Oh. And I might want it back. Damn. Okay. Hey, everybody. It's Dale Jr. Back again for another episode of Ask Jr.

Here for the Dale Jr. Downlow with my teammate. Co-host. My partner, my co-host. Yeah, we're team. Something like that. Sure, yeah. TJ Majors.

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a winner in Xfinity. Imagine that. So pretty awesome for them to be continuing to support the industry, sponsoring race cars and, you know, having a good time with those folks. But we got some great questions that Travis is going to be asking

that y'all sent in, so let's get to it. Yeah, we had a few people curious. I saw you tweeting about your 3D printer. Just want to know how that's going and what have you printed yet. Well, I printed a couple things. This is going to be fun. So we've got some 3D printers

here at the race shop that print all kinds pieces and parts and they're really nice machines. I got my daughters a little toy printer. And I've got these light fixtures up in my closet that are 18 years old. And they have these little plastic clips holds the fixture. And they get hot and brittle because of the bulbs and the heat from the bulbs. So they break real easy. And I can't find, these are like from 2008.

and I can't find these little clips. Well, I've been, these, all my shades for the lights in the closet have been like laying in the floor piled over in the corner for like years, a couple years, because the clips keep breaking

and get real brittle. And I'm like, Amy, we got to change these fixtures. Let's just take them out and put in all new fixtures, right? We're going to fend some money. And so the other day, probably right around Christmas,

I was like, I wonder if I can print these pieces. Like, man, I'm all over the internet. Some person, I find a website where you can basically find items, everyday items that people have drawn and created. And I find, I learn what this piece is called. I learned the part number from the fixture and all this crap to be able to try to track down just buying some of these pieces. well you can't buy them they don't make them anymore but this man

had created the cad drawing of the clip and he's like hey man 99 cents it's yours so I needed about 24 of these things so I bought it for 99 cent and then printed 24 of them on my little kids printer and the little kids printer is only like you know 8 inches by 8 inches but I printed it over and over and over all these clips right

and I got all of my fixtures up in the closet we ain't going to have to buy new stuff. We're back in business. 99 cents. Dude, I'm like, like, I'm like,

I need a real printer so I can print some real stuff. You know, this is my kids, my kids toy. I'm like, Amy had bought a printer that she was going to give

to somebody for Christmas, but they changed their, she changed her mind about what this person was going to get. So we have a printer sitting there. She's like, you want the printer. I'm like,

damn, that I make her mad? No, I'm like, absolutely. do want this printer. I don't know it's a very high grade unit or not, but it's fine for what I'm,

I don't know crap about this stuff. And so I'm like, all right, let's get to it. I've got a toolbox. All my tools are somewhat organized, but some stuff isn't. I've got just stuff everywhere in my little garage,

you know, and I could have things more organized if I was better. And you can print a ton of stuff to organize. everyday household item and like battery organizers things like that right and so i'm i'm off i'm off and running i'm so i put out a tweet i was like you know i was i was i was worried about this and i'll speak to the folks that are that are listening i have a lot of stuff that i would love to ask on twitter or at whatever we'll call it i've had a i have all the time have stuff i want to ask but I'm hesitant to ask, even this, I was like, man,

I really kind of want to set it out there and see what people think about 3D printing and what I should print. But I know there's going to be some silly responses, goofiness. And it makes me uncomfortable when people are being obnoxious or just trying to make fun. And that's fine. I need to just let that go.

But I was like, I'm sending it out there and look at the responses, man. Look at all of the great things that people are showing me that they've printed. and they've made it home and they've created and what you can find. That's pretty cool. There's some cool tool stuff. Yeah.

All kinds of great organizational stuff for tools. Dang. Look at. Is that Trachon? Yeah. Yeah. So Tricont. Tricont.

Nice. Pitbox. Yeah. So I'm like, this is amazing. I need. And so thank you. Anyone that posted replied with a very, you know, a very helpful piece of information. Thank you.

Thank you so much. I love that. That's a great thing about social media. we all can kind of help each other out. And so I'm still, I'm off to the races. One cool reply that I got, Jeff. Oh, look, you can make me a Daytona 500 trophy. Oh, look at that.

Look, a little mini Daytona 500 trophy. And it looks amazing. You got two of them. Are you kidding? Are you kidding? I'll print you one, man. Yeah, thanks. Jeff Gluck was sending me some replies.

12 years later that I got. And I hate to put this person on blast, but the bot. So USA hockey wins the gold. Yeah. Congratulations. Men's as well. Suck at Canada. That was super badass.

And the father of the goalie. Oh, I saw that. tweeted me. And he's apparently in 3D printing. Oh. And has his own YouTube channel. And he's like, I am very, he knows a lot. And so I've been communicating with him a little bit.

He's already told me. Hallibah. Halibuck. Yeah, yeah. He's already told me. all kinds of important information about the gauge and the how what you use certain materials for and the strength of them and so forth and so yeah um so yeah jeff gluck's like i would have never probably seen it but jeff gluck's like hey man

this is the father of the goalie he's he's got his own youtube that's pretty cool he wants to come here he raced i saw that car chuck raced really his name's chuck chuck raced in short tracking stuff and he wants to come here take a tour of the shop i said hell yeah come oh that's awesome well i'll show you my 3d printers we got here we can learn you know you can teach me a little bit about 3d printing um and yeah he has a little youtube channel yeah i thought i thought i thought picture him that car yeah yeah that was pretty cool pretty cool congratulations to him his family and and the hockey team man badass that was so cool the guy was he's knocked out they're nuts.

They are nuts. Also, like, I get it's like, they're like bull riders in a way. Like, the bull riders are like, they only like wear a mouth piece. They're like, they kind of, I think they want to get the tooth knocked out. It's a badge of honor. Yeah. You know what I mean? They don't want it, but if it happens, it's kind of like, all right. That's, that's what this game is part of the game. And they just keep playing. Like, you didn't miss any time. No, he kept going. Yeah. Like, I mean, if you did that in your backyard and in a game, you're getting out. 46 years. It's the miracle. I cracked my tooth on New Year's and like for the entire week and I was a baby putting like stuff in there.

How many, how many times have you seen that, you know, that miracle on ice clip. The replay, yeah. Used, you know, in multiple, multiple moments in your life, right? I've seen that so many times used in different,

different ways. And now they've recreated the moment. Were you watching it live when I happened? I was watching it. It was pretty dang cool. Yeah. Like, it's just surreal. Yeah, it was awesome.

What a moment. Yeah. Well, anyways. So yeah, 3D printing. I'm just kind of, I'm just kind of dipping in there and seeing what that's all about. And I got a lot of great feedback on social media, so thank you very much for that. And just kind of learning. So I did print.

So I've got my SIM rig. The direct drive wheel that I use currently is a SIM cube. And I have two steering wheels. And so I printed a wall mount for the second wheel when it's, not on the rig. So I, instead of it just laying over on the counter. So stuff like that, just organizing. I'm going to have like air.

So in about a year, I imagine, Amy's going to come home and everything that we own is going to be hanging on the wall. What are you going to print for the garage? Like, what are you going to print for your tool? Like, you're going to print organizers out there? I saw some of them little, uh, drawers or something. Chuck has a battery, uh, organizer like for double A's and triple A's. And I've got a little.

soft bag organizer in my in my in my house but i like the little walmout battery organizer oh it's a walmout yeah and you put and it oh and it has a little tester on it yes you yeah so you buy the tester separate but there it is right there it's in there it is DJ oh it's a wallmout that's it's a Walmart with a tester dang yeah that's actually really good because that battery boxes they make are so heavy yeah when you they got all the batteries and you got to pull them out like I can't expect a kid to go in there and pull that off well you know pull the whole box out. Yeah.

That's pretty cool. I know. I'll take a couple whenever you get done. Well, get your printer. You don't have a printer. Yeah, why don't? I'm surprised you don't have one.

I don't need one if you've got one. Sounds like you do need one. It might have been my Chris President from Amy. He might have got it. This is my question. So like to print that little battery holder. Yeah. It'll take that machine about an hour, hour and a half, maybe two hours.

That's it? That's a long time. I feel like that's actually pretty good for now. To print that little wall mount for the SimCube wheel, Yeah. It was like 55 minutes. I think that's low. I know.

Don't you, things do you just take days to print. Look, I don't know. I'm just learning. I imagine you can buy printers that do it faster, but he was telling me about the filament, like why you would use certain types and all that stuff.

I, Chuck was amazing. He's like, hey, DM if you really want to know this stuff. So I DMD him. He's like, here's the deal. Bam, bam, bam.

He's like, you have the same prints or my son had. And so I'm like, all right, printer. Here's the printer guru and his son has it. We're all still a good start. Nice. It's always good when you're being compared to a gold medal winner. So we'll take that. I had the same printer as a gold medal winner. All right. This next question, I forget his name. He tweeted this last night. He said, Dale, if you could shoot five different liquids out of each finger, what five liquids would you

choose? And why sauces count? Now here it says five. It's so random. Water, gasoline, barbecue sauce, Corona with a hint of lime, of course, and liquid gold. Oh, my God. Okay. I think the liquid gold is cheating. I think that way. It can't count. You can't do liquid gold? Yeah, because that's just no way. All right. I'm going to do, uh, I don't know, man. Wow. I don't know if I could do a condiment.

Yeah. It's, I know, but it's shooting out my finger. I might not, it might make it not appetizing at that point. You can just look your finger. Yeah, but dude, you can eat buffalo sauce for life. Yeah. Buffalo sauce. Definitely one.

crude oil gasoline diesel because we'd have some high test some 93 M a Coke I think you should keep it to sauces and stuff like

no it's drinks and sauces Are you kidding me Gas is two gallon of gas is two two two and a half But if you're going to allow that You got to allow gold What's the difference between gasoline and gold or oil?

These PJs they I'm just saying like you get to do five and I get to do five. You're not doing my five. Well, then I'm just going all minerals and are going to be rich. Go for it. Liquid mineral? I mean, I do liquid gold, silver. They say you can't do it. I mean, you say, he said you can't. I'm not doing it out of principle because he set the standard.

I mean, I would do, I would do Frank's buffalo sauce out of one. Me too. That's the only thing we probably have the same. High rock out of one. No, I would. I got any of that in bottles. I don't know. I mean, I think it'd be good to have a, and it'll spite of water, because you would want that. I think you could have a faucet to get that. I know. What if you, like, but then I mean, gosh, dang.

Sundrop. What a waste. Sundrop be pretty good at all. God almighty, TJ. I'd have ranch. Need ranch. Ranch, yeah. T.J's.

Blue cheese. T.J's, this is like, hey, man. Blue cheese isn't a liquid. Listen to this. This is like, this is like, T.J. If you said, T.J., genie's coming out of the bottle. You get three wishes. He'd go a gallon of ranch.

You're like, what? I'd take blue cheese over a ranch, but... Some water, a couple cases of water. Yeah. That'd be my second wish. Another Xbox. Yeah, give me an Xbox. So now we've got two cases of water, a gallon of ranch, and some Xbox.

And now the genie's gone. I'd ask for another genie. I think, yeah, crude oil, gasoline, diesel. and Frank's Red Hot buffalo sauce. There's one more. You need one more. I suppose. You got to pick an alcoholic beverage of some sort.

Has to, right? Yeah. You get thirsty. Do you go like the 55s or what are we doing here? That's the thing. Yeah, I'll just do a light beer. Domestic light beer. Let's just leave it at that.

What a question from that guy. That's so random, but yeah. Could you imagine filling up a beer? Like if I walked up and was like, hey, man, be cold beer, would you? Tears like, hey, you got a beer. And if I filled it up, you know, would you be like, oh, thanks. Which finger would shoot the beer? That matters?

What if I thumb? I don't know. Hey, man, what do you got your fingers? I am not drinking a beer that came out of TJ's thumb. No. What if I? I'm not. I'm not.

you know, Franks Redhot from my pinky. But if I walked up to you and said, fill your car up, you'd be like, hell yes. I do not care. It came out of your pinky. Stick that ring thing. So I think I'm not going to do beer. We probably need to go to the next question because this is going to get bad.

Yeah. I don't know. I would do another, you know, to TJ's point, I'd do something of value, like, you know, in line with the gasoline, the crude oil, that kind of. What is a, what is, yeah, so we can't do liquid gold. I just think I look at a goal. I feel like it's cheating because you're just like using it to sell to make money. All right.

Next question. If you were sitting in the aisle seat on an airplane. Oh, wait, wait, wait, wait. So back to the, could I, could the water come out of my finger in like a high speed pressure washer type? Because then maybe I would do water because then I could clean everything. It's your water in your finger. So if it's a good point. If it could come out at a high velocity, like a pressure washer.

If you use it with your index thing, you can use it like a pistol and you can shoot the water. Oh, God, I would clean a lot more stuff than I do now because getting the pressure washer out. Getting the pressure washer out is the deterrent to using the pressure washer. Yeah. Right. But if I just was like, oh, shit, it's right here. You don't have to uncoil. Yeah, I'm just cleaning.

My truck would be clean all the time. I'd be cool to back it down. Be like, oh, Gus, you want to drink, a little, you know. Yeah. You control the pressure. You got me. All right, T. All right.

All right. Back to the question. If you're sitting on an, if you're sitting in the aisle seat on the plane, are you allowed to sleep? Isle? Isle for commercial flight. So you got middle and window. Are you allowed to sleep? I think you can sleep in any seat as long as you're in your, you got a little, there's a little column, right, that you're supposed to be in. Armrest to armrest. No, you don't get armrest if you're one of the armrest is not yours. If you're, or you shouldn't go outside of it. You need to say within the middle. The middle owns the armrest. The middle The middle seat gets choice of armrests first You got to establish that when you get there

Like you got to show that like that's your armrest Right rule I think the middle seat you get the armrest I didn't know that Honestly I don't I would prefer if I'm in a If I'm in a bench of three As long as they stay in their little Bot their little area I prefer this

But what if you're in the middle or window And now you got to get up to use the restroom I ain't getting up I use the bathroom before I get on the plane I mean, flying cross-country, you got to use the restroom. That's an exception. I mean, you're going to wake the person up. I personally agree with you.

You should have got the aisle seat then if you're worried about using the restroom. What if it's not available? I didn't know that. I mean, I'm not assuming that I can pick a choose, sit wherever I won't. You're putting me in this scenario and I'm telling you what I'm going to do in that scenario. I'll let you know next week because I'm middle seat on the way to Phoenix on Wednesday. Oh, yeah. I'm fine if you want to go to sleep.

Just be understanding that you're going to be. Gonna be polite and get up if I need to go pee or somebody has to go pee in the aisle. Next question. We saw Tony Stewart get in a truck at Daytona, and I saw you tweeted at Elliot Sadler about seeing the race. Who's a former cup driver you like to see a one-off

truck race? Yeah, I love Elliot. Elliot's a great friend. Elliot would be fun. Dude, I mean, the list of that is everybody that's retired. Jeff Gordon. Oh my gosh, yeah. God, I'd love to see Jeff Gordon run another race.

Yeah. I don't, look, I'll be honest. Like, when I, When dad and Jeff were racing on the racetrack, I didn't like Jeff because he was beating dad. He could beat Dad. He was a tough competitor that would... Disruptor.

Well, he wasn't aggressive or anything like that, but he was tough competition. I didn't like anybody that was going to be a potential, you know, be a potential opponent. And I didn't really understand how friendly they were and how many things they did off the track in business, or I might have had a better appreciation for him. We became teammates, got to know each other better,

had a lot of laughs, had a lot of great times together. Today he's a big part of what they're doing at HMS, and so we work with him directly with Junior Murder Sports through that relationship. And every chance I get, I rib him about running one more race because he's just right at that age where you could probably still do it. Go run an Xfinity or a rally or a truck race, probably a rally. And I got great cars.

Man, we'd have so much fun. And I know he has no interest. He's like zero freaking interest. He doesn't. He's fine. He's over it. He's like, I'm not about that. He wants to go over to 10 tenths and run his little Porsche or whatever, right,

and have a little fun doing that. He gets enough out of that. But, yeah, Jeff Gordon will be. one for sure. Does he appreciate the hood yet? I wish Jimmy Johnson would come. I know he can't because of his Toyota deal, but I'd love for Jimmy to come drive one of our cars.

I love me and Jimmy are a group pals, and I know he's, I just love him to go, I love to win a race, right? Would Jimmy Johnson be bad at it? Oh, that'd be crazy. Yeah. I beg Jeff Burton, you know, to try to run one of our cars and a one-off,

you know, to race with his son. And he just, they just don't, they just don't, they just don't want to, they're just nervous or something. They're worried about getting their butts kicked or whatever. Yeah. I mean, it makes sense. Like you don't want to lose. Oh, man, it ain't about when they're losing at this point. Yeah, it's about fun.

Yeah. It's about smelling the smells, hearing the sounds, getting your heartbeat, heartbeat racing. Yeah. But are you going to have fun if you're not racing well? The car is going to be great. And maybe you're not as good as the car anymore. that's fine, but the car is going to carry you. The car is going to allow it to not be a job.

You know, I don't know. I've enjoyed it. I ran, I ran, you know, a couple more bristles there the last several years and had blast. Next question is what track on an iraicing that's, what track not on iraicing do you want to see? I've been trying and trying and trying to get Winchester. I was going to say Winchester, yeah.

They got it. And they, I keep hearing this. It's in production. But Winchester, Salem. So those two. Can you, can I, I mean, it's not an existing track, but I would like Mason Marin. Yeah. I know that's not exist anymore, but that was out there, short track in California.

It was in one of them early games. Yeah. Evergreen's still around, I think. Evergreen's still around, yeah. Yeah, there's a couple racetracks still out there. I think still racing the Carvick's got the cars tour west. cranking up. Everybody.

Hey, by the way. So, yeah, Winchester, which I think they have the scan. It's been in production for two and a half, three years now. Steve Myers is going to hear this, be mad as hell. I mentioned it. But hopefully they finish Winchester, and I think they need to get Salem. We've had a run of road courses,

European targeted content, you know, road course cars. we've done a bunch over the last couple of years to build a more global platform, and they have succeeded. It has been absolutely the right thing to do. But, you know, the Oval has seen some attention, but not as much as we're used to on the Oval side.

So it'd be good to get a couple new short tracks. And you can't mean all the NASCAR stuff's built. But, yeah, it'd be nice to get a couple of short tracks to drop into the, the rookie D.C. content that we're racing on ovals. I've never been to Riverhead, but it interests me. I think Winchester is such a historic place. For sure. It's long deserving to be on there.

Berlin. Yeah, Berlin would be on my list. Berlin would absolutely be. And they're begging. That track is tweeting, emailing me. So what's like the, is it just like a lot of work for them to skis? Scan it and everything? Or what's like...

Now, going up in scanning, it's a one-day deal. It's a pretty easy... A lot easier now. For them to do. And, but the build is expensive. Although they would more than likely make the money back, it's not going to be a massive profitable, you know,

deal for them to do short tracks. But they do make the money back, but it's not a big game changer for the company. And it's a lot of resources. You, you, not only is the person that has to go physically scanning, in it, but there's a lot of resources in the, in the company, uh, to build that, that very track, right, that are, that you're taking away from other things. So it's just a divide and conquer kind of deal.

And, and right now there's been this massive shift for the last several years over building a lot of global content. And it's, that was absolutely the right thing to do. They've, the business has succeeded because of it. But, uh, yeah. So Winchester, Salem, Berlin, those three or would be bam, bam, bam, I'd get them in in the next year or two. All right.

Speaking, I said Harvick, what do you think of news with Keelan going to Toyota? I think it's a massive win for Kevin and Delana. You know, think about it from this standpoint, right? They're doing everything they can to give this kid an opportunity. They've sent him all over the world trying to race and learn and earn a craft and develop his racecraft. All of that is great. They've invested. They've spent.

They've poured tons of. resources into this, personal family resources into this. But at some point, he has to get picked up, right? And called up. Somebody has to latch on to him and take him the rest of the way. And this is a massive, massive relief, I think, for Kevin Delana to have this sort of, you know, this, somebody come in and go, all right, we got it from here. And, you know, we've got a great pipeline.

Toyota has an incredible pipeline. they've a lot of great examples of drivers who have ceded through that. And, you know, it's a missed opportunity, I think, for Chevrolet Ford, but, you know, it's not a lifetime contract. And, you know, I think that, you know, while they've got a great chance to continue his progress, and just, I'm just going to focus on what a massive relief it must be for Kevin and Delana to know that he's now got this commitment to continue his progress. All right.

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Van Duel we have Russell we have Alex how's it going guys what's up we're done with super speedway racing for now we can actually go normal racing kind of

yeah it makes a practical bit kind of it is a road course I don't want to you know yeah not a free for all well hey this is the best That's kind of betting right here. Road courses.

Yeah, you're probably right. Yeah. Road course, betting. Really? Absolutely. All right. For you, for you fans out there that are, for you NASCAR fans that have your fan dual account, this is your weekend.

This is the most predictable style racing we have, right? For sure. Absolutely. Okay. Yeah. Well, we have yet to be able to discuss the predictor. Because, I mean, we don't, Russell don't even want to talk about the predictor. He don't.

Not on the drafting. No. It's tough. not at Daytona or Atlanta or Talladega, but here we go. We're going to Cota this weekend, and I'm sure the predictor has some pretty interesting things to say. So let's get right to it.

Who are your top five? So I don't think there's any question. SVG's the top by far. Okay. SVG won the last five road course races. I don't know how he can't be up there. Then we got Bell, Reddick, and Byron all right there. right behind them. And then it's, it's, uh, Chastain and Chase Elliott and Chris

Busher and Larson all all dialed up right there. So those, I think, are your, your can't lose bets right there. Like if, if you bet all those guys top 10, I'd love, love to see how you turn out. You like Bush. You know, Bush. You know, Bush is tough for me. I like that dude. I mean, he is a great human being. But his ability to completely freaking disappear one weekend and then run second the next. I don't, it's hard for me to see the pattern. The predictor, Russell, you're on top of it. You know where he's going to show up.

But it just makes it hard to trust, even though the numbers would say at Cota, he's going to be there. Yeah, he's one of our most consistent road course guys, though. I was going to say he's, I think you're, I think you're losing sight of the road course stuff with him for sure because he's lose sight of him a lot. Well. Because his ass is in the back sometime. Check your glasses.

Dang, I'm not checking my glasses. Where was he this weekend? Well, this isn't a road, that wasn't a road course. We're talking about road course racing. I agree. I like, yeah, but like Larson, Elliot, Byron, Redick, Bell, they were up front this weekend. No, for sure. I mean, there's definitely times.

It's just hard. When you talk about betting money, putting your own hard-earned money behind these guys in these situations, when he don't when he you know even though Atlanta and Coder are completely polar opposites it's hard to put money behind a guy who isn't showing up more consistently

across the board but you would be confident in putting money on Busher this weekend I believe he is he is one you want to want to look at for sure so you can get him plus money top 10 just on his own yeah I mean I don't you don't see uh you don't see SVG shining all over the place on other races you don't have any problem putting money on him this week

his ass run six this weekend he was up front. I mean, he actually had probably a, he had a better running position, average running position this weekend, probably about 10 points to Bush. I'm just saying, so if you go to sit down. I'm just saying, you're already sitting down. Sit down more. Lower your chair. Stand up, then sit down harder. Stats show, you're wrong. Stats show I'm wrong. Go ahead. Get the stats out. The stat man's right here. Well, you're not going on a one-race sample here. You just said.

So head to head at Vegas, who you're taking? Bush your ass feature. I don't know. We're not going to Vegas. But next week, I can't wait, Phoenix. SVG is good. He's looking pretty good. He slid through the grass twice at finish six. I mean, he's pretty good. Yeah, that's also true. Yeah, you get a bank on that too?

I mean, geez. What? He ran good. Got lucky that he didn't hit anything twice. Well, I mean, he could have rode around the back all day. They could have. Maybe. Like somebody else.

He could have brought the O out twice, too. So you can parlay Bell, Byron, Byron, Redick, top 10 for plus 319. Chris, Bush, don't take any offense, but this is T.J. I'm talking to. I cannot agree with him. I hope he should. He knows he's probably only five minutes from here. I cannot agree with him.

I love that bet, Travis. Chris Busher is not five minutes from here. That boy is further out in the woods. No, he's close today. No, he's further. He's close today, I promise. All right. Timms, would you make that bet?

Chris Busher top 10? No. Chris Busher needs to be on this show. We need to get him on the guest show. All right. Hey, man, let's talk about the inconsistencies. When are we going to clean that up? That's all we need.

Okay, you can leave now. I'm just, he's a big old boy. You're thinking about that now. Damage is done. Listen, I said what I said. All right. So, SVG,

you think he's just going to drive away? This is his worst road course of any of them. Oh, well. So he's going to win by five seconds. He's only one he didn't win last year. So they might actually, they might actually give him a run for his money.

I think you got to look at the 20 and 45 and 24. I like them. Who's the sleeper, Ross? Chris Buescher. I hate the kids. But we've established it. Chris Buster and Alex Borman. Bowman.

Yeah, he's cool. He doesn't finish outside the top 10 at Cota. Dang. Plus 145 top 10. Yeah, he's been quietly good at road courses. You know why Bowman finished his in the top 10 at Cota? Patrician? Yeah.

So they go down there and they bowl into term one at the end of the race. Yeah. And he's that. guy that knows how to not get in the middle all that. He never is in it. Yeah, he never is. He's just like, all right, yep. He's been pretty solid of road courses, though, like, in general.

I know. But, yes, you're right. He is smart enough. You never, you never really see him caught up in them. No. He's not a, he's not a controversial subject. You know, he's not a controversy guy. He's not guys in there bowling or.

Well, he's not the bowling ball or the pen. No. Minest little Chicago incident with Bubba. That was about it. Well, that was after the race. Yeah. Well, he, didn't they have an incident on the track? They did, but, yeah.

Bowman. Yeah, Bowman's not a bowling ball. SVG is it plus 20 to win? Plus 1.2. I'm sorry, plus 120. So that's, I'm surprised. I mean, it's not terrible. I'm surprised it's plus money.

Yes, that's what I'm saying. That's not terrible to make that bet. So you're betting that, Tim. I would bet it. You got, until he beats him. Plus money anytime. Yeah. Yep, 100%.

What is it where, what is he on road courses? Like the last 60s won the last six Plus five or six Yeah I think five yeah Yeah How could he be plus money? I don't know Wow

I'd bet it now I'd bet it There's 30 other guys that could beat him That's why And it is I mean there's not 30 other guys It's like four Listen I agree that he can get beat here But this is the books man

They don't usually give you a chance But you can't win them all Best bet Tim's like No It's not the best bet But it's It ranks up in there in the top five Yeah, it definitely does.

Hey, I'm no expert, and I can see that. It's a bet if it loses, whatever. I mean, he's won the five of last six that we just said. There's going to be a lot of bets on him to win this week. I would take SVG and can you add a couple of top tens to a parlay there? I don't know if you could bet a win, add some top pins. So you do a Bowman-Busher with a SVG win. Bowman and...

plus 1,085. That's nice. That's pretty nice, actually. I like it. What about, Russ, what about Ty Gibbs for a long shot? He's just too inconsistent for me. I know, but. Ty Gibbs.

Look at this deal here. You can bet Trackhouse to win the race, and that's at minus 165. And obviously, you know, you mentioned Chastain's got a shot to get in there and get a top 10. Zillich. But what can we expect that as Zillich? A lot of people are going to, you know, be pretty, pretty high on this guy.

But is he still, you know, we've seen him at road courses. We've seen him in Cup road courses, you know. And I know different year got us got, now he's got his full team around him. What can we expect? I think good things. I would be conservative. I'd be pretty modest on, I think, you know, if the guy goes in there, I think running into top 10 would not surprise me.

Oh, easily. But I do not see him challenging SVG. I think he's running back. I think he's running on the, on the ass end, the third, fourth place. Maybe just decide the top five at best. Betting wise, it's not worth it. If he's plus 350, that is like SVG level status

and he's ran what one cup row course? That's really, that's not worth it. Just prove it to me. That's kind of what I'm going with. I need another, I need this race to go really well before I start putting money on him at the next couple of road courses, right? Yeah.

Yeah. And he's not going to be able to make moves in this race like he kind of did in the O'Reilly car last year. I mean, it's going to be way more competitive right now. Yeah. Like way more competitive in this race. But I do agree he could run. If he has a solid day, he'll be right on that top five. I agree. I think he'll run top five.

His raw speed will be really good. Yeah. I just don't think that I can confidently go, yep, he's going to go out there and challenge SVG or whoever it may be. Larson might be the best, Elliot. You never know. That's the thing about this weekend. and SVG would be the guy that we would assume probably could win the race,

but Bell, Reddick, Byron, Chase, Elliot Larson, any one of those could show up and run nose to tail first and second, bouncing back and forth between SVG all day long. Yeah. It seems like every road course race, there's one of these guys shows up with SVG speed. Yes, like Christopher Bell has done it for the last couple of times. It pushes him, yeah.

And this new configuration at Cote, I like, too. God, I love it. Yeah. I remember leaving that race last year. Like, that was a lot of fun. Yeah. With a long course, no good. No good. It took forever to run a lap.

They didn't know where they were at. Shorten the course up. And last year, all the races were great. Yeah. Man, good job. I was like, hey, I don't, I can take her leave code, but now I hope it here. Yeah, we left that race last year. Hope it's here to stay.

Excited. Even with its silly track limits. I do like it. I do like the track. Well, um, Yeah, you could bet Trackhouse to win, but that's at minus 165, where, again, SVG to wins at plus 120. Interesting there. Let's see.

We got some match-up. Let's go ahead and talk about that. Reddick versus Byron. Shocking Reddick's plus 120. Russ, what's the model say, head-to-head? I go Reddick on this. Like what's the number? It's close.

Why do you go Reddick? they're third and fourth in the model. But when you go ahead to head, like the last several road courses, they've got three wins versus two wins. Do you factor in? A lot of people are going to look casuals, I would say, maybe look at just the start of the season and the momentum they have. Do you factor that in?

Yeah, I think so. T.J. says that Atlanta and Daytona don't matter comes Dakota. But momentum is real in racing, right? Momentum is definitely real. It's hard to, it's just weird how it works. And I do think that, I don't think it's as big of a gap between these two guys, because, you know, well. Byron's kind of stumbled.

Yeah, he has been stumbled a little bit. He has been. So, I mean, I do have Redick in this one as well. Kyle Bush versus Castain. So the chastain, I like chastain here because, again, Kyle Busch, I need a, I need a prove it moment. Got Jim Pullman on the bot. they go out they qualify well for the Daytona 500 but since then it's kind of been more of the same from

Kyle Busch uh I know he got wrecked this weekend but didn't really see him whole lot up toward the front of the field for most of that race at Atlanta where I thought he had been running better there in the past so I'm still I'm not I'm not down on Kyle Busch but I just need to see more similar to the Zillich right you know we're not ready to bet on we're not ready to bet on zilich uh but we're going to wait a race or two and that's kind of what I would be conservative with Kyle Bush as well to see how this crew chief pairing nets out. It needs a few more races to figure that out.

Yeah, I agree. Yeah. I think this price is based off what he did last year. Different crew chief. Yeah. So you're getting, I think, a discount with Chastain here. I would take Chastain. Good, good stuff. Briscoe versus Ty Gibbs. I'm, briscoe's minus 175, Gibbs at plus 130. I don't know. I don't feel good about Gibbs

at all. No, I probably wouldn't play just because Briscoe's too high of a price, but I would pick Briscoe just head to head. straight up. The whole thing with Gabe Hart and all the sort of drama going on around them has me pausing on Ty Gibbs for a bit. Yep. I agree.

And again, same thing. Like, he's got a new sort of group around him or a new crew chief. But he's still like not a got, not got a real foundation around him that, you know, as far as he hadn't been with the same guy for multiple years, big notebook, all that good stuff. so I'm still like, hey, I'm sure how he's going to be. Yeah. Don't feel confident. What do you think, Russell? Yeah, I'm with you.

I give the edge to Briscoe here. He has been fast on road courses, Gibbs, but I just think that. He has. That's, yeah, I'm going Gibbs on this one. Yeah. All right. He just has speed, and I feel like he's due to put a race together. Russ, how close are the numbers between these two?

They're real close. Like, where were we last year where Ty Gibbs ran Mexico City. Mexico City. Yeah. Yeah. yeah yeah he had like two or three top threes or something right there at the road course it's a little stretch there in the middle year yeah and it he's yeah he's always super fast as the road course is like right from the beginning it just fits him really well I remember

and I don't I don't look at briscoe as being road course yeah but I I see him improving over the next year you know driving them cars and stuff but Gibbs is super fast in the beginning you know if I had $5 or spare for fun, maybe that's the, you know, the risk, the risk bet.

I always kind of like to, you know, obviously I like to pile up pure things. Yeah. But every now and then, you know, I'll see a plus money thing.

I'll go, I think I, I think I feel an upset here. You know, and that might, and this wouldn't be an up. No. Getting Ty Gibbs at plus 30

against Briscoe, maybe you, maybe you take it. Yeah. Plus 1.30. Betting wise. Yep, for fun.

That's the only way to play it. Because it's good money. Yes. Well, anything else, Phil? Are we betting on the O'Reilly race? You can't bet on it, Dale, but we got Dillich and SBG back, right? Oh, yeah, who of those? You have that?

The bet to make Austin Green top 10. He always finished top 10 there. What's he in this? What cars he in? Do you remember? 32, right? He's been in the 32, but I don't know if he said it. Ross is in the 32.

Yeah, I was going to say Ross or the 32 at Atlanta, too. Austin Green, I think he's in the 87. Yeah, 87. I think you could see all three of those guys up in the top five, Castane, included. Yeah. I don't know who's going to win between SVG and Zillet. You're not going to. You'll definitely get minus money for those.

Yeah. I'm just saying people are going to ask you who take over. Man. I think Zillich has the edge, though, right? Like, he's been in those cars more recently. He's won the last four road courses. in the O'Reilly series. Yeah.

I don't know, though, man. He's got a lot of focus on the other side now, so he's taken away from this a little bit, taken away from that. It's hard. I think they're really evil. You made a point earlier that SVG, this out of all the road courses,

maybe this one's not actually his strongest. Zilich really seems to be fast at Cota. Yeah. So maybe, you know, he has the edge here. We've seen at Sonoma and at Watkins Glen last year, Dilich, while he, yes, was in those cars every single week, put the pressure on SVG and each and every opportunity

when they raced each other in the Infinity stuff for the O'Reilly series. So, yeah, I think, you know, SVG's got his work cut out for him to go out there and compete. And you've got to remember this is, you know, These same team, same organization, but, you know, different crew chiefs, different whole package for both teams. So it would be interesting to see how next up. Yeah, they're still going to be battling each other. Yeah.

Yeah, think about, you know, as the race is playing out, you know, kind of hopefully though, CW will cover like the crew cheese. Because they had different crew chiefs last year and they race against each other. All those things will play into pick crew. all that. There's a lot of dynamics there that have to go well for both drivers. So we'll see. It's going to be interesting. Hopefully one of them can take home the victory. All right, that's going to wrap it up for Dirty Mo Doe. This segment was brought to you by Fanduel. Thank you, Russell. Thank you, Tim's. Remember Fanduel, the premier gaming destination in the United States. We're all big fans of the platform and customers.

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