The Dale Jr. Download - Brad Was Wrong About SVG, Classic Cheatin' & Chasing Big E

Episode Date: March 13, 2026

The Dirty Thirty returns, and it's jam-packed full of stories this week. We've got a brand new 30 minutes of the very best tales from our shows. Let's go for a ride! This week, we start off with one of Door Bumper Clear's most long-awaited guests, Randy LaJoie, and in this segment, he talks about following the Intimidator at Talladega, how he still hates Mark Martin's Winn Dixie car, and his MASSIVE wreck at Daytona. Then, we wanted to make sure we heard Denny right, but on Actions Detrimental, he says we could see up to 4 SECONDS of fall-off at Darlington! For the very first time, but not the last, Dirty Thirty features Sons & Daughters, Shannon Spake's new show where she talks to remarkable people with relatable pasts. This week was Coach K., just in time for college basketball's most important time of the year. Following that up is Brad Keselowski, who filled in for Dale Jr. while he was on vacation this week. The topic he wanted to talk about? Looking back, he sees how smart a move Justin Marks made in getting Shane van Gisbergen into the Cup Series. This leads Brad to tell a Jack Roush story of his own, which we know you'll love. We end this show with one of the best tales we've ever heard, from an all-time classic episode, Andy Petree's famous trick spoiler. If you haven't heard this one before, you are in for a real treat. This week is a big one! We hope you enjoy all these moments from our shows. We'll see you next week on The Dirty Thirty! Check out Dirty Mo Media on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@DirtyMoMedia  Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Hey everybody, I'm Dillon Hart Jr. And this is The Dirty 30. The best highlights from all of our podcast this week, 30 minutes every single Friday, the Dirty 30 coming at you. Let's get right to it. This episode of The Dirty 30 is presented by Arby's new Meat and Three Box. Get more meal for your money at Arby's. We have the meets. Randy LaJoy, welcome to Door Bumper Clear, sir.

How are you? This is an honor to be here. Family friend, Dick Moroso, my dad and him grew up. together. He called me and said, hey, I need a driver for a handful of races. You want to do it. I said, absolutely. And run second to Big E at the Talladega first time out. And I'm, I thought he was cheating. We're going down the backstretch. Here I am. I'm just in high cotton. You know, I'm just, I'm racing with senior. I'm running a second tool. And Schrader was right behind me. Shrader got in front of me and we're gone. We look in the mirror. There ain't

nobody behind us. So we're cruising and I look and I see seniors fingertips out by his window net. I was going. So the next lap I look and his fingers are out and Schrader's fingers are out. And I was like, what the heck? These guys moving air? What the hell are they doing? I said, oh, and here I am sweating my guyoons off. I was like, oh, to get little where? So the next damn straightaway I put my hand out the darn window. I could have take the gas cap. Oh my goodness I said what the heck did I do I'd frigging hurt my shoulders

I was like okay I'm not going to do that anymore but that was cool I ran second to him and that was fun and then went to Darlington run second to Mark Martin at Darlington which everyone did everybody did I still look at a Win Dixie car I still look at a Winnixie card flip it off

if I see a win Dixie sticker I flip it on Aaron rocking him to get it up This is for Randy What do you remember about your at Daytona in 1984, and do you have any artifacts from it or other wrecks? Yes. What I remember is... Nothing.

Yeah, well, a little bit. Very little. The, all of the rookie meetings that you had, you know, Petty, Richard was always one of the guys doing it, and he's like, hey, you're going to crash here, Daytona two ways. Either you're against the wall and you're going to crash right into the wall, and then you're going to slide, or you're going to slide a long ways. and hit the wall. And there's a couple of things you need to do.

Before you hit the wall, remember to tighten your belts. And if you remember to take a deep breath, because it'll blow the air right out of you. So I remember coming out of turn four, we had blown a couple motors up, a home-built motors. We bought a motor from Richard Petty, old Kenny Wilson motor. And I thought we had a broke axle

because I'm spinning the tires warming up the car. and you know for the 125 and i was like what the heck is going on here with that sucker had some power boy that thing had some power so i okay put it to the floor and hang on and that's what i did and i remember i come up on uh sterling marlin he was in that 17 hesko car and i was going to run over him well i turned left hit the bump started sliding and i'm sliding i was like okay i think it's time to pull the belts tight and i pulled the belts tight and my dad always taught me never to let go to the wheel so i I grabbed that steering wheel.

And when the thing picked up and I started looking at the sky, I said, okay, I need to take a deep breath. And I didn't wake up. Yeah, I did. And I woke up in the hospital that night when I started to remember. And I was like, holy shit, you know, watching the news. And that's me. Oh, my God. You know, okay, I think I feel okay, you know, had a headache forever.

And I went back to the train. That was a Thursday. I went back to the track on Saturday, watching the bush race, and a fireman come up to me. He was all decked out and fire gears. You know what I am? I said, no, I don't. He said, we're at your car. You know, we got you out of the car, and they laid you on the stretcher.

He says, and you weren't breathing. He said, you were just laying there. I said, okay. And then what? He says, the microphone, open face helmet. The microphone was stuck in my mouth. He says, I reached in to get the microphone out of your mouth. Then when I did, he goes, hell, I pulled a column of grass about the size of a tennis ball out of your mouth.

He says, and I did that. Your eyes opened up and you started moving. Holy shit. I said, so, hell, I was vapor locked there for a little while. That looks good right there, bud. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Wow.

So I did take a deep breath and I did vapor lock. You're vertical right there. I think we try to say horizontal. I still have the helmet. The helmet has a scratch on it from one of those pieces of tin. Ray Everham was sitting in the Irock garage and a windshield landing in the Irock garage. Damn. Yeah.

He said that was amazing. The grass is crazy. I've never heard anything like that. I was in the grandstands that day. That was a brutal wreck. My dad had that car. I think he finally got rid of it probably about 10 years ago. Wow.

It was up in the junkyard. And you said you still have the helmet from it. Yeah, I still got the helmet. Hey guys. Welcome to Actions Detramental. How hopeful should we be looking ahead to short tracks, considering the racing here at Phoenix was definitely better than it's been in the past. Is it going to get even better at,

tracks like Martinsville or it seems like Phoenix is always kind of so-so where these other tracks are are better than Phoenix. It's going to be a small incremental change. Again, not the small change, you know, what was the racing truly better this time around? Was it 10% maybe? I mean, 15, but it's something. And so I think you'll see that same change at other racetracks. One thing I will tell you is that heads up on Darlington, you want to see some cars out of control.

Here in a few weeks, these cars with essentially little to no underbody, because we're now going to the short track aerodynamic package for Darlington. These cars are out of control. And so we are going to be, I'm predicting four. seconds of fall off. It might be more. It's just the cars, with the underbody taken off and that simple diffuser,

just even on new tires, just absolutely out of control. So it's going to be a wild card race. Who does that benefit the guys? Whoever guesses right. Whoever guesses the tire and the arrow and the setup right. Okay, everybody, we are back for another.

episode of sons and daughters. It's super excited about this conversation that I'm going to have today. There's a lot of people in my career that have made me a better reporter, but there are very few that have made me a better human being. And today I get to talk to one of those men who has no doubt made me a better human being, probably didn't even realize he was doing it. And that's coach Mike Chashefsky. What is it about, you think, the mother's son relationship that kind of, because you're around, I read a quote, Paulo Bancaro, right? His mom. obviously was one of his first coaches. And I think you said that everything that he is is because of his mother.

And I can't help but think that relates a little bit to you as well. What is it about that starting point that sets a boy? Because you've seen it in your own life and obviously as a coach level that sets the stage for a boy. Well, the very first thing is a guy doesn't give birth. a woman gives birth and that's who brought you into the darn world and you'll never have a friend more loyal and better than your mother

that's for guys and girls and I learned that I didn't know that through my teenage years probably as much as I should but once I got to West Point and for the rest of my life I knew that. But my mom,

you know, my mom was there all the time. There's nothing my mother wanted more than for my brother and herself to get better. That's her main, that was her main thing on this planet. I tell my kids that all the time. I have two boys.

I tell them that exact same thing, coach. Exact. The sooner they realize that, the better. The better. And, you know, my mom gave me the best advice ever when I was going to starting high school. And I was a young punk, you know, smart, smart-ass 14-year-old in the inner city. And I was going to have to travel on city buses, CTA buses.

And the night before I left for school, my mom had a meeting with me. He says, Mike, make sure you get on the right bus. And I was impatient. I said, Ma, I know the city. I can go Damant Armitage, Armitage, Wyrmi. I can even go division of grant. I know the city. And she says, that's not the bus I'm talking about.

And I said, well, what bus are you talking about? And she said, tomorrow you're going to start driving your own bus. And I looked at her. And she said, only let good people on your bus. I get chills thinking about it. And if you get on someone else's bus, make sure they're good people. And she said, those buses will take you to places that you would never be able to go alone. The best advice ever.

And it's been the basis of what I've done because I've only tried to be with good people. Let me get to West Point. Why was that the one place that recruited you? and what is that transformation like to go from a civilian to a cadet or a plebe is what they call West Point, right? That's what you went to? Coach Knight just became the West Point coach. And Gene Sullivan wanted a really outstanding coach's told Coach Knight. He said, you know, the best player in the league is at Weber, Shishowski.

And so he came and talked to my coach. And my coach said he could go to West Point. And I was not interested at all. You know, my mom, dad said, you're going to go to West Point. And I said, you're crazy. I'm not going to West Point. I am not. I do not.

And my mom said, that's where presidents go. And this is all true. I said, I don't want to be a president. I want to be a point guard. I want to play ball. And so I called Coach Knight and said, I'm not coming. And for two weeks, everything in a Polish family is done in a kitchen. and my parents used the, they verbally abused me in a good way.

Don't get me wrong. They would speak in Polish in the kitchen. And then, you know, all of a sudden you'd hear stupid Mike. And I come out. I said, I'm not going. And this is true. For two weeks, they did this. Finally, I had enough.

I said, okay, I'll go. and it was difficult to get me in at that time. And I call it the best decision I never made. Because someone else made it for you. Yes. People who believed in me, trusted me, and wanted something better for me that I could not see at that point. Any surprises at Phoenix that you saw? I know Blaney and Bell were fast.

Denny was decent. Any cars you thought, you know, do you see anything when you were out there? You know, the thing that really stood out to me more than anything else was SVG. Yeah, spinning out twice, too. And he's still finishing 11th? Yeah, how did he do that? I don't know. See that, Travis?

I feel like I need to go back and watch his entire race on in-car camera, but like, how did you do this? I mean, I remember looking down and seeing him spinning twice and three and four, and I'm like, eh, he's having a bad day. Yeah, he rebounded. Yeah, he rebounded really well. And I thought, I got a lot of thoughts on SVG. And more road courses?

No, not more road courses. But yeah, I guess when I think about SVG, I want to rewind like three years ago. So he shows up in Chicago. Kicks everyone's ass. I had no idea who this guy was. I got to be honest. I did the track walk right next to him and I thought he was a fan.

I really did at Chicago. I'll never forget this. Like I'm walking. I'm like, I don't know who this guy is. He's either a fan or a piece. yard guy and then the next day he gets in one of the cars and like oh he's one of those guys from somewhere else like a ringer yeah you know honestly most times like the industry doesn't pay any attention to them because they they show up they run one race usually doesn't go very well

you never see him again you're like like a substitute teacher you know like you don't really think about that person so he shows up chicago wins the race and we're all like, oh, well, you know, he's a V8 supercar guy. It was raining. It was a track nobody's ever ran again. Trackhouse has great cars. Street courses, where he come from. Yeah, absolutely.

All those things. Everything worked perfect for. Everything worked perfect for. I'm like, and I think for me personally, and I don't know if I speak for a number of people in the garage, but I assume I do. Everybody's kind of like, fluke, one off, whatever, move on. But then Justin Marks is like, no, I don't think so. Let's, let's do something more with.

this guy. And this is much about Justin as is about SVG. And I kind of look through that timeline of like 2023. He wins the race in Chicago. Justin Mark says, hey, why don't I get you a full-time deal in Xfinity? Yeah. Now O'Reilly Auto Parts. O'Reilly. With Colleg. And he does that. And honestly, I didn't think it went that well. He, uh, average. He went average. Did okay. He didn't run as well on the road courses as I thought he would with Colleg. Um, and not that he didn't win, but he just didn't run as dominant as I thought as he would run. And the ovals were just kind of

blah, right? And so Justin Marks, like in the summer of 24 has to make a decision of what to do with SVG. Now keep mind at that time, he has Suarez, Chastain, Zane Smith. He's got Zane Smith kind of like on a

loner deal. Yeah, Zane won the truck championship. But Zane was kind of like an up-and-coming star. Yeah. He's like, I got to make a decision. I want SVG to be a part of my deal. I got to cut one of these three.

It's not going to be Chastain. No. Ross Chastain is, in my eyes, like the face of trackouts. You know, he's got Bush as a sponsor. He's won the championship in 22. Ross is the, he's a solid guy. So he had to make a decision, all right, between Daniel or Zane. It's like, okay.

Daniel had been with the company since the beginning. He keeps Daniel. He cuts Zane. All right. So this happens. in the summer of 24. Now, personally, I'm thinking to myself, Zane hasn't gotten a fair shot.

He's been in like a third team that wasn't even a crack house team. It was a spire team. And by the second half of the season, he actually started running pretty well. And his first cup start, I think it was with RFK, wasn't it? Yes, it was, yeah. And he ran the Gateway really well.

So I was surprised when they cut Zane for Shane. And I'm going to just go ahead and say it right here, I was wrong. I like Zane. I think Zane's really good. But I thought putting Shane in, like, all right, so you're going to win some road courses. This is really just a hack to get a car and not, Jane's not a hack.

This is a team ownership hack to get a car locked in the playoffs. You're now guaranteed top 16 in points. Your charter value goes up. Your winning races. Your company value goes up. It almost felt like SVG was a prop for the company that brought in, more sponsorship revenue, more talent to help make Daniel and Ross run better. Like that was the way I kind of saw it.

But I got to tell you, like, now that 2026 has come wrong and he's had such a great start of the year, like I feel like I was wrong. Now he's like SVG is almost becoming the face of trackhouse. Like he's the guy that's going to win probably three to five races this year. He's probably going to win, yeah, three to five now. And he's their, I think he's their highest car and point. So, you know, I know we only have like a four race sample size. But it's pretty good.

And like SVG was kind of like Happy Gilmore if he could learn how to putt. You know what I mean? Yeah. Like he's got this massive drive. He could get into the green. Like if he could just learn how to put, which is like the ovals. Uh-oh. SVG learned how to race on an oval.

Yes. So he's gotten. That's exactly what's going through my mind. I mean, it's dangerous. If he gets to where he's just competitive. I don't mean dominant on the ovals, but just competitive on the ovals. And it keeps up his road course kind of like dominance. He's going to score a ton of points.

He's never going to be terrible to road course. No. At worst, he's going to be fourth or fifth. As long as he doesn't, you know, blow an engine or get back. Yeah, but I'm saying minus mechanic with difficulties, he's going to be in top five. Regardless. But if he can just be like 10th on the ovals. Oh, if he run 10th on the oas, he's going to run really high into points.

Yes. Like he becomes like the guy. at trackhouse and started in the year off at Daytona and Atlanta getting through those super speedway plate races and he's already I mean another thing top 10 in point how many times he spun out this year he spun out at Atlanta a couple all right I got to tell you his story because you just made me think so so he spun out three times this year and still hasn't you know still getting good finishes I got to tell a jack rouse story I was sitting with him this is only a few months ago. This is a fresh story. And we were actually talking about Greg Biffel, because Greg had just passed away and we're kind of reminiscent about Greg and what he meant to the company. And Jack said

something to me in a story that I think this audience would really appreciate. Because if you circle back to like the year 2000, Greg Biffel had won the truck championship. Kurt Bush was his teammate. Kurt got pushed into Cup and Greg got, uh, you know, a year or two of, uh, the, NASCAR O'Reilly Auto Parts series. Yeah. Did really well though. And there were a lot of people like, why did Kurt get elevated? He didn't win the truck championship. Why did Kurt get elevated and not great? And this was something that kind of like followed Greg's career for a long time. And then Greg makes it the cup, has a great career in cup. Uh, so this isn't a dig on Greg. And, but nobody ever really understood why did you promote Kurt and not Greg the way you did.

And so I asked Jack, like, so what was the reason for you? He goes, oh, that was simple. I'll tell you why I promoted Greg. Oh, boy. And not Kurt. And you have to understand what Jack's like to talk to to really appreciate his manners. So we'd go to the racetracks. And, you know, we would practice and test and we would do all that.

And Greg was like, drive this thing as hard as you can. Kurt, drive this thing as hard as you can. and these guys would go to test sessions and they'd spin out all the time, both of them. And they'd tear my stuff up. And I'd get back and I'd yell at them and tell them, stop wrecking my stuff. Like, you know, in a way that only Jack could do.

And so what ended up happening is we'd start going to test and they would still spin out, but Kurt would spin out and he wouldn't hit anything. And Greg would spin out and he'd hit something. And so I just told Greg, like, all right, Kurt spins out and he doesn't hit anything. You spin out and you wreck and you hit things. So Kurt's getting the cup car.

And that's where it came from. Like that's, that's Jack's story on why Kurt got the cup car in 2001 and Greg didn't. Because when they'd go to practice and test sessions and Kurt would spin out, he wouldn't hit the wall. And Greg would spin out and he hit the wall. Unreal. Accurate. So anyway, back to SVG. Yeah.

He's had like three spin outs this year at least. Yeah. I mean, I know it hasn't hit anything. Two is to it. I mean, two of them were at Phoenix and he had one of the impressive. Yeah. And like if Jack Roush was sitting here in the room, he'd be like, that's the guy I want.

The guy who spins out and when he does, he doesn't hit the wall. Fifth in points. Yep. Way to go. So anyway. So now I got a Jack Rouse story in there. But I want to bring this back to Justin Marks because I think sometimes he gets more credit than he deserves on things he's brought to the sport.

And other times I feel like he gets less credit. I don't think. Justin gets enough credit for the vision he had with SVG. He pulled a guy out of another country in a series that most of us know very little about took a chance on him in a cup car, then made the investment in him to run, you know, in O'Reilly Auto Parts series. The sample size was not outstanding and then decide, you know, I'm going to go buy another charter and I'm going to find a way to get this guy in a cup car full time.

Like that's pretty gut. And it wasn't just like an accident. He went out and found this guy, took a risk on him. And I really respect that about Justin. I don't think he gets enough credit for that. Hey, everybody. It's Dellenhart Jr. here with another episode of the Dale Jr. download. We've got a classic with Andy Petrie.

Listen, I know we're supposed to talk about all your days with Dale Earnhardt and Rad and everything. But I still got one more I want to ask you about, okay? Because this stuff is fascinating. And I'm impressed. I was watching an interview that Ray Evertonham gave and where he was talking about

this deck lid at Daytona. He's one giving that up? Well, I guess. I mean, it's on YouTube. Really? All right. What did he say about it? Well, the deck pen, the pins,

like somehow... Was it his? No, yours. Okay. He said this was yours. Yeah. Where Earnhardt could lower... No?

Wasn't Earnhardt. It was... It was not Ernhard. It was Harry Gant. It was Harry Gant. I've still got it. I've still got the deck lid. Is this on the same shelf?

It's close to it. He's got a trophy case of all his most stuff. When it comes to selling your stuff, I want all those things. I want your little cheated up part. Okay, so we go to in Daytona, they came up with a spoiler angle rule. I guess it was 89 or 90. I can't remember what year it was. And we had always been good.

Like I said, we won in 88 at Talladega, finished third at 500. So we're always good at Speedway. and exploiting all the rules. Well, some of that spoiler angle was some of it, some of it was heights, a lot of things that we, but Gary Nelson came along and really tightened up every, you know. This is his first,

going to be his first season as a series director. And so we got to clean it all up now. We can't be cheating. They're going to check heights. And so now all of a sudden we can't do our little things we were doing. And we weren't very fast. We were testing and we were really slow. Motors were off at that time.

And I remember being on a plane coming back. I'm just kind of in my mind thinking, what are we going to do? I thought if I could figure out a way to get that spoiler to lay down and get it back up because they're going to check it post race. And so I had in my mind, before I even landed, I had in my mind how we could make the hinge, you know, and conceal it and how all that would work. And what I didn't have was an actuator for it.

And so I go, I mean, I go to work on it. As soon as we get back, me and a guy named Dean Jones worked in our shop in a little locked up room on this thing. Nobody knew. And we get to saying all work. and the spoiler hinges perfect, everything's good. I've got the back plate of the spoiler. I do this little deal with silicone where it looks like it's welded,

but it still has flexible, and it's all good. But I don't have any way to move it. And I'm looking at, back then, no internet, right? So you don't have a way to go to search this thing, and I've looked in catalogs. So one night I took my car that we drove as an automobile, Delta 88, they gave us to drive, you know. So I'm driving it to the store,

and I get to the store, get some groceries, and I pop the deck lid, and poop pops up, you know, and throw the groceries in the trunk. I shut the deck lid, and if you remember these cars, they would click, and then they would have this thing

and just pulled them down tight, you know, and so as soon as that happened, like as soon as they went, click and went, yeah, I was walking to the driver's store, and I went, whoa,

wait a minute, I popped that deck lid up. I said, where is that thing? What's doing that? And so I take that thing right straight from the grocery store over to the shop, and I pop that thing out,

and I find that little motor, and it is, dead perfect it's got this little thing going up and down i'm thinking man this is perfect and so i take it i make this i go in there and fab up this is like eight o'clock at night i fab up this little thing to like hold the deck lid down on this car you know and take that thing and then i had to buy another one right because i needed one on each side of the spoiler okay so we start making all the little linkages and everything but it has it's perfect had a little limit switch and we had it we could set it and we got it and it was nice again leo jackson not one

that wants to cheat. How did you engage it? So, okay, that's, that's the key to it. So we get it on the car. I told him. So look, I'm going to, I wasn't going to do it without telling him. He said, he didn't want to do it. I said, let me let me put it on the car. If you can find it, if you can find it, we won't run it. Where was it? Okay, so we had a radio box. Back then, we had a different kind of radio system. It was an analog thing, and we put it in a box. Everybody kind of had on their aluminum box that would keep out the interference. And it's set on the tunnel, the way we had ours right beside the driver and it had some switches on it and dials to turn the radio up and turn it on and off so we just put a little extra switch in there a little threeway like middle and up and down on the radio on the

radio box and so i wired all the stuff through the roll bars i mean the key to cheat is you got to do it right you've got to really do the work and so we we spent hours and hours doing this and concealed it up in the hinged part you know and all the stuff in the car everything's ready put it on there Check, okay, so Leo checks the angle. It's 45 or whatever the number was. And he goes in there, starts looking at switches, and he's raising the deck lid, and he's looking at this, and he's looking at that. And he's, I mean, he's all over this thing.

Can I find it? He said, I don't think it's on this car. I've reached in there at the radio box, went, and the spoiler goes, yeah. Oh, my God. That would have been so good. I'd be shitting my pants if I was you because. I was. I was the whole time.

I hated. Oh, God. I just knew they were going to catch us. I mean, I was, I guarantee I looked so guilty. I couldn't stand it. They were all over that thing. I'm like, good Lord. And we get ready to qualify.

Rolls out there. Gary Nelson is checking the spoiler angle. The first day on the job. Head of director. He is supposed to be stopping all cheating. He is doing it himself. Instead of having somebody, he's at the, right before you go on the track, he's going to put it on your car.

So I had it up a degree or so just so I didn't have to mess with it. Well, he says, knock it down. I said, no, that's good. I was her own room. He said, no. He said, knock it down. I'm like, oh, God. My heart's won't.

You can see it beating through my shirt. I guarantee you. I'm trying to get it to go. It won't move, man. It won't move. It won't bend. I mean, I've got linkages and everything. Finally, it goes down a 10th or something.

And he finally says, go. And I was like, oh, so he takes off. And at the end of pit road at Daytona, it's right close to the track. And I'm standing there with my stopwatch. I'm going to clock area when it comes by. And, you know, Gary's standing right there in front of me, checking the next guy swallor.

I look at that car coming by and I think, and I'm like, God. Visually. Oh, yeah. All. Oh. And Gary didn't even look over there. He had a seat.

I mean, it was obvious. Yes. Damn. So after that, I said, we got to get that deck lid off the car. I can't stand it anymore. I just can't do it. There's no way to live.

Uh-uh. So we put it back then they used to let you put the cars in the hauler. And so we had another decklet. and I had them get in there and chop them wire and put the stock deck lid on it. That way I could breathe for speed. I couldn't do it for two weeks. Right. You only did it for qualifying.

Yeah. Oh my gosh. You know what was bad with qualified third. Yeah. I found out years later, junior's cars were on the front row. They were cheating more than we were. All right. That was another episode of the Dirty 30 presented by Arby's new meat in three box.

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