The Dale Jr. Download - Carson Hocevar Took Over DJD For An Unforgettable Episode

Episode Date: June 23, 2026

There’s a hurricane in the Arby’s studio. That’s right – Carson Hocevar AKA ‘The Hurricane’ dropped by today to fill in for Dale Jr as our host for DJD – and this episode was unforgettable. Right out of the gate, Dale Facetimed Carson, thinking that taping had just ended, but in fact, it was just getting started. Carson filled everyone in on his relationship with spotter Tyler Green, how the two navigated Naval Base Coronado, and the winning celebration that every fan would’ve been talking about had Carson pulled off the victory. In typical Hocevar fashion, Carson gave his takes on Reddick’s sportsmanship while racing Heim for the win, his own run-in with Corey Heim, Noah Gragson’s heated discussion with Kevin Magnussen, and so much more from the race weekend in San Diego. Cleetus McFarland also calls into the show to talk for a quick minute, right before Carson gets back to more of his opinions on all things NASCAR. Plus, a Kay Adams update. Check out Dirty Mo Media on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@DirtyMoMedia  Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Hey, everybody. This episode is presented by Arby's right here in the Arby's studio. Don't forget about Arby's new meat and three box. You get more meal for your money at Arby's. We have the meats. I've also decided that I'm going to take the week off. I'm taking the family to Sonoma, but don't worry, you're in good hands, I hope. I want to thank Carson Hosevar for running things here on the Dale Jr. download this week while we're out of town. Enjoy.

The following is a production of Dirty Mo Media. This is the most fun I've had in this chair in the last hour and a half. I don't know if we've ever argued. Did I piss you off over the weekend? I'm still sour. Did I want the best man at your win? Who was your best man, Dale? T.J.

You don't need a cool best for that race? What are you thinking? Get them, T.J. Hellway to start a show. All right then. Well, thank you, Dale. Happy to take over. Hold on.

You're in it. Hey, man. Hey, what's up? I literally just said, thanks, Dale, for, you. You know, I just started. So thanks. Oh, is you're just starting? Yeah, I'm just starting.

Oh. It's 11.03 here. Well, I started to show at 8.30 in the morning. Yeah, they gave me, I'm on West Coast time still. So 10, 9, 8. Yeah, 8, yeah, I started at 8. Yeah, if you're on the East Coast. Yeah, no, I know, but, you know, it's 8 somewhere.

So I started the show at 8. Okay, all right. I just checking in. I figured you'd be dumb now. No, I literally, I mean, I legitimately said, thanks, Dale and was getting ready to say, all right, welcome to the Dale Jr. download. And I look at my phone and I was like, oh, God, somebody's interrupting. And it says, Dale Earnard Jr.'s face-timing you. Well, what a coincidence. Yeah. I wasn't planned, I promise. All right. I'm going to get back to your show here. Have fun. I'll check you later. All right. See it. Well, that's good. They're going to think that's planned. Perfect. That is great. I didn't realize. I didn't realize. I didn't realize. I didn't realize.

Yeah, you thought it was over. Yeah, we normally type 830, but... No, all right. Well, there we go. There we go. We're moving on. Okay. All right, so Tyler, Green, thank you for coming on.

Hey, thanks for, you know, replace the TJ. I think you're taller than him, so it works out. Big shoes to fill. Big shoes to fill, yeah. How was your... Well, first, hold on. I like to remind people I went to the Met Gala. What are we wearing today?

Who are we wearing? I am wearing my uncle Jeff's number eight... scheme shirt that he won Vegas with, the very first Vegas bush race back in the day. Dimeridge. Wait, where? Oh, is that like the team? Dimeridge team. Yeah.

Before he was at PPC with the Nesquick and the Nesquick car. Perfect. Well, I got gifted this over the weekend, not knowing I was going on this show, or they weren't knowing I was going on the show. So it worked out perfect. Yeah. Looks pristine. Yes.

So. For the audio audience, what do you wear? For the audio audience, I, you know, love them to death. I wear Dale Earnhardt Senior original printed This has never been worn It still has a tag on it So this is the first time it's been worn

So it's perfect So I save this I look like a complete fool to my friends Because I had this laid out Since I got back from San Diego Like it's the first day of school Sitting on the counter like ready to go It's the only thing that's not wrinkled

Yeah it's the only thing not wrinkled And like I had it set And like you know all nice Because I was like I'm not gonna accidentally put a different shirt on and walk out So So yeah Yeah, so how long have you been spotting for me?

Six years? Six years. A long time. Long enough not to remember my first race, obviously. Yeah. So the first race we had together was, you said Daytona. I said Daytona Roadcourse, where it was hot. No, no, it was Dover.

Dover was the first one. The year before that? No, no, that year. Okay. Oh, you're right. No, you are right. It is Daytona. But the second race, well,

the first one I fell out of the seat. It was like super hot. Couldn't hear me. So it didn't matter. I mean, I was doing my best coaching. Dover was the first oval we did. And it was during COVID. And it was the most alone I've ever felt. Second, like third ever truck race. And my radio doesn't work. And you legitimately spotted nobody with nobody in the stands.

So you spotted nobody. That's what they pay me to do. And then I was running around in a circle all by myself. Couldn't hear anybody. Did a green fly pit stop by myself. And there was nobody in the stands. Loneliest I've ever felt in my life. But poor guy.

Yeah. So that was how our little. marriage here has started. And then that was our truck starts. And then on the cup side, when you, you were with Harrison Burton with the 21 team. Yep. And then I love putting you in awkward situations. Yep. And so I wreck your car, wreck the hell out of you. The next, well, the day before I was going to tell him that I was making a change. Yeah. So I, I, I, I, I wrecked the hell out of the 21 car. And then Monday, you walk in to, and tell him I'm, I'm out. Yeah, sorry time.

Way to go. Way to go. So I'm great at putting you in awkward spots. But I think you've grown with it. Yes. At a while, you were a lot. Yeah. You were a lot more on me about it.

Yeah. Now you're just kind of par for the course. Yeah. I think you secretly enjoy it now. Yeah, of course. How was your experience on the naval base? Like spotting, how, you know, rolling around on the bus, the whole thing. I enjoyed it.

family was military, grandparents were military. So I've always been interested in the military stuff. So like the history of it was super cool for me, like all the barracks and all the old buildings and stuff like that. Didn't get to see much of that, which I'm sure you did. So I'd like to hear your insight on all that. But just the history of it being on the naval base was super cool for me. Yeah, it was cool. Like, so one of the guys, they had like a, I'm going to completely botched, kind of a segment was of the military or Navy or whatever, was sponsoring like a car or was like directed to a car to kind of give everybody somebody to root for. And so I had Sear and the guy that was like, you know, that was like walking across the stage with me and everything, he was a race fan. And he like plays eye racing and does everything. And like he was like super cool and everything. So that was fun. Yeah. The only thing I was disappointed was that like, because I got to go way early when it was like a naval base and everything. Yeah. Yeah. Was that the I bar wasn't open. So you could have seen that.

Like yeah, it was, uh, that would have been cool. But that's when you shot those videos. That's where we shot a lot of those videos in the bar and everything. It was open Sunday night. I know. You, Travis. Um. Too soon. Yeah. Thanks, thanks to get to that really early in the show. So that guy gave you the mail truck. Yeah. Same guy in the picture. Yeah. He was He gave me the little mail track. That's cool. Yeah. So we did all that and everything.

And then, yeah, it was super cool. What was the spotting like? How much running did you do? Well, so I'm a runner by trait, but for some reason when I don't have to run, I don't run. So I had an extra up there. I was one of the few that did not run across the roof. I'm pretty sure someone started their Strava and got about a half mile. in before the middle of the race. So there was a lot of running back and forth, but fortunately,

we had enough people to go on the other side for me, so I didn't have to run back and forth. So for the people that don't know, like you guys are on a building right at the chican, the last chican and everything, but there was stuff blocking or the building itself was blocking because you can only see half the track from one side of the building and then the other half from the other side. Yeah. The building was big enough, and there wasn't, enough room on the corner where there was a wall to see both sides. So you either had to run from one side to the other in the corner. So you run from here to here. But you also miss half the things as you're running through and half of them are out of breath, sucking wind. Right. So I did not

choose to do that. I chose to have another person up there, which was fortunate enough. So yeah, you couldn't see both sides. Almost like a pagoda at Indy. Yeah. You had two guys. Same, same three. And the reason why I wanted someone else up there was I was doing Justin Marks in the truck he ends up wrecking out of 15 I didn't have anyone over there and he's like it's junk and I'm like this is not good and all of a sudden I see a puff of smoke coming out and I'm like well I guess he crashed and the guy beside me didn't have anyone on the other side and he about caoed him so it was like okay hang on the safety thing we need two people up here and not have to worry about that area if it's going to be an issue how did it compare to like spotting at like Chicago like up for street courses

Um, similar, similar. I mean, you only have your one spot that you can talk. And it's funny, the, the spots that I had to talk were super limited. And with you and I spot for Sammy on the O'Reilly side, there's, it's, it's already chaos, right? And you're hitting bumps and swat and flies. And I'm in there just trying to talk to you, trying to help you with, with lines and placement and stuff like that. And, you know, it's, it's a lot going on. So, You have a limited time to talk, and it's already rough, and you're already hanging on for dear life. You're catching us. Where you were at, where you were in 15. Out of 15. Out of 15. Into the chicane, they don't count as corners. 16, 1, which is the most chaotic of the weekend.

So literally, I would talk to you out of the chicane, get off the radio for you to hit the bump, and then get back on the radio. Talk to you for a second, and then get off the radio for the bumps. I never realized it's what you're doing. I appreciate that. Yeah, you're welcome. Yeah, because I needed that. And every time I hit that bump, I was nervous. I learned my lesson. Saturdays for Sammy is usually calm, you know, collected.

And Sundays is usually a little more chaotic on the radio, you know, a little more amplified. And Saturday, supposedly someone took too much caffeinated gum and got excited. And Sammy was like, man, you can't talk to me right there. I got to focus. I'm like, okay, well, I learned my lesson. I'm not talking to here anymore. And on Sunday, I'm doing the same thing. that's perfect.

Yes. Well, thanks Sammy for, you know, doing that for me. But no, that was, it was a fun experience. Like, it was cool. I, I, everything getting to the track was by far cool. Like, I had the bike, the bicycle, that I got tired of walking, so I door dashed. I got tired of trying to find a place to park, so I door dashed it. You can tell the door dash.

Well, I put the wrong address. I was, you know, like, see app. And it came up on door d'clock. slash Coronado app. And I was like, oh, that's the same thing. It's got to be the same thing. Got to be the same thing. And then I see the picture.

I was like, not the same thing. So, you know, there's like a family playing outside and everything. So I roll up to this walk away. And, you know, I was like, all right, well, you know, I could leave, leave a hopefully a lifelong lasting impression here. And so I, I, I kind of like look around. I huff that bike up, you know, pick it up like this, you know, into my armpit, pick it up.

and I just full sprint past like a family of three. So if anybody has a video of this on your doorbell camera, please send it in. Yeah, I wish there was a ring. I really was hoping there was a ring camera. I was going to like press it just and just, you know, I was just wanting that like a, you know, just imagining of like, honey, I think somebody stole our bike and then they're like confused. Like I didn't order a bike. Did you have a legendary shorts on?

Yeah, I had the whole shebang. Perfect. Hold the shabank. That's where I left the racetrack. So I left the racetrack in practice. So it was like, yeah, fifth in practice. this NASCAR driver, you know, wanted for bike theft of his own bike. Yeah.

So, but I thought it was super cool. I felt like on the, so there was one thing I really was, like, disappointed of was like, we never, they didn't drive, um, put the track to drive through a hangar. Yeah. Like, because when that, by the water, the six and seven, when we turn left and you kind of come around the hangar. Yeah. It would have been so cool if we turned in early.

and went through one of those old hangers. Yeah. But part of me thought, like when I rewatch it on TV, like part of me didn't really like realized the expectation of everything. It was like mind blowing of, I felt like I was over expecting like the visuals to be like insane. Like with all the colors and everything. And then I realized like, man, like runways are not great asphalt to look at or concrete

to look at the, you know, the, you know, the. The buildings are tan and the ships are gray. It's like, damn, like, I wish it. Because, like, you go to, like, Chicago and, like, that one shot of it going over the hill and, like, with the train moving in the, like, you watch it people, like, live their life. It just, the, the military base looked, like, I want to say, like, deserted, but it looked up, like, we took it over. You know, what I mean? Like, where in the street course at, like, Chicago, it looked like exactly, you know, you can see life moving on. Like, it's, and I was like, dang, like, I wish we got to see a little.

bit more of that or like more planes like closer to the deal but I was yeah I get they can't you know they can't just take planes that are inactive yeah you know military deal and and and just be like ah we're just going to set these aside and you know make them be like props it would be cool if we could go buy more buildings yeah you're talking about like split the split the barracks or the hangers or something if we could have went through a hangar that would have been so cool like they could have had like a camera on top or even between them right like you have set oh yeah between the hangars like something like that that would have been cool but like Like, I just think I was, my expectations were, like, building up for two years on, like, what the visuals of it in Chicago being really good.

Like, everything, everything on, like, in person was, like, awesome. And, like, I love running that track and, like, everything. But I feel like Chicago took, like, an, like, if they were going to win one category, it won the eye candy test of, like, the visuals, the colors and everything, like, on TV. Was there more when you visit the base the first time? Was there more stuff there? did they take more stuff off the base or relocate it? Yeah, there was a lot more aircraft and stuff. Like, like, you know, I even think the Navy, when we were talking to them, they were like,

oh, yeah, there should be a line of like 10 helicopters, like right on side. So that they're probably the reason my expectations were so high because I think they're, they were expecting the same thing. They were like, yeah, you're going to go down straight away. And there's going to be hepach, you know, helicopters on this side. and there's going to be Navy jets on this side. And, you know, there's going to be massive carriers and everything. And it's just like, oh, that's going to be unbelievable.

And then it's just like, oh, you know, there's two aircraft carriers. And, you know, it's cool. Turn three was super cool. That was cool. That was cool. But then it was like, you know, the other half, it's like, damn, I wanted that the whole track. Yeah. But, you know, greedy.

As always. But the O'Reilly race, the fan jumped the racetrack. That was funny. It was. I didn't see it at first. Sammy came over the radio We were involved a little bit in that crash Sammy came over the radio

and he's like, hey man, there's a fan that just jumped the fence and I'm like, have him checked the damage and obviously Sheldon thought the same thing, right? Yeah. So that was interesting. I mean, I applaud the guy for, you know, he was probably a little tipsy.

Well, no, the flip flops were impressive. But being a little under the weather you know, with all the alcohol beverages probably. Yeah. The flip-flops and only losing one and grabbing it back. It was impressive. It was a very impressive run at it. Lack of execution on the escape part of it.

Like, or the, you know, get out of jail plan, basically, of, you know, just putting his phone up to it next to his, you know, face. The second he sees cops of just like, oh, I'm just on the phone, you know. I don't. Did you see that? We'll see what I did? But at the same time, I mean, what are you going to do? Run? No, but you got at least change your shirt or like, you know, take the shirt off, put a bandana on, you know.

Have a host of our shirt or something. Do you think the girl that was by the fence was like the girlfriend? So I never saw the girl. I never saw the girl. Like, did she say something? No, but so I'll pull up a tweet from. He definitely wasn't alone. He definitely wasn't alone.

She walks off like a mad spouse. I think she does. turned when he was in handcuffs and they said something to her. Okay, so we're watching him jump back over the fence with flip flops. Oh, he's got the flip flops. Yeah, no. The fact he just like, basically bunny hops the second fence is unbelievable. Loses it. Gives a flip flop. Yep. He's like, I got it. Hops over the fence. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah, she's walking. She knows. The girl walking right? Yeah, she knows. Yeah, she's just like, yeah, that's impressive. She's got to be related. But like smart on her not to talk to them.

Just be like, all right, now we're rolling. Now we're out. You know, go to a different spot. I mean, they could at least like changed hats or, you know, exchange hats or something. So because he was wearing flip-flops and because of the way they acted after, there was no way it was like premeditated. Right? Like he didn't go to the racetrack saying, I'm going to do this. It had to be a spur of the moment.

No, no, no. You think he was like a plant? Like NASCAR had that plan? No, no. not NASCAR, but I mean, you know, you're... There's no way San Diego... A bet before you get there. That's what it was. A friend said, text him $500.

Yeah. Oh, it was a... Oh, okay. I thought you were saying like pre-race. Like, they're doing... No, no, no, no. Like, I'm gonna go to the race and do this. No, I think it was more like, uh, if anything, it was like, hey, you know, like, tapping him on the shoulder during the red of like, hey, I'm bored, you know... Bet you won't do that.

Bet you won't do that. Bet you won't do that. It's impressive. Yeah, I bet you he did that. that I wonder what the, I wonder what his bail was. Higher than a normal race. It's kind of on the side of like Super Bowl, right?

Like, like, is in like similar charge, similar shebang? It's not a, it's not just a sporting event. He jumped the fence at a Navy base. One more wall he would have been at a hanger with airplanes. Yeah. Because we, honestly, when the red flag was out in O'Reilly, didn't have to worry about it in the cup race because you didn't have any damage,

but in the O'Reilly race, there was a few of us that thought about trying to walk over there because it was just a runway, just concrete and opportunity in between us to go look. To go see the damage and stuff? And we're like, yeah, they go see the damage and there's like, there wasn't planes there, maybe. But, I mean, that guy broke into a naval base, basically.

He didn't break into the naval base. He was already on the naval base. He just went into a trust-passing area. But he was in his secured area for fans. He was going into the area that wasn't for fans. Right, right, right. Right. No, that is true. I don't know.

It's probably worse. I would have done it. No, I don't think I would have done it either. But, yeah, I don't know what got me to, you know, respect. Do they, do you think they ever caught that guy from Watkins Glen? Think they ever caught him? Probably. But they probably just probably just told me.

No, I know the Richmond guy got in trouble. Walkins, Glenn's probably like, please don't do that again. Yeah. Yeah, Washington's gone there. They're just happy to have something to put in the commercials. Like that. That's place. other than the crash of like Sam Hornish

hitting the tire you know the bundle or Michael McDowell bouncing off that and Jeff Gordon and all them like oh the no it's Jeff Gordon crash you know other than those two clips they just got the you know the race fan they probably promoted them if anything they probably give them tickets for life that guy they'll probably promote this guy too

seriously yeah uh all right well in the cup race you had Austin Hill SVG Zillich Crash who is at fault Tyler I felt like that front row was eager. You don't want to say names, but is it like... Is SVG the cause or no? Because I don't see where people are saying SVG created this wreck to happen. I feel like they both drove in the corner too deep.

Austin Hill got a little bit out of line, didn't wrap the bottom close enough. Marbles and they both hit the fence. I don't even know if Zilich would have made the corner if Austin didn't stop it. So what I noticed, because like, you know, when I was on the front row, there was a ton of marbles, especially outside turn one. But also, too, like you were picking up marbles the whole time. So if you didn't have your fronts cleaned, you were probably going to go in the corner and shove. Yeah. And then you're going to pick up marbles and you're going to shove even more.

But I felt like the wreck looked bigger because obviously SVG was there. And so when they went to like hit the wall and bounce. off. He was just there. Yeah. And he's, you know, he just kind of like kept them there. So they just made the heart even, you know, harder. But I was like, you know, people want to like start blaming on Twitter or whatever or like even like people in the industry was like, ah, SG could have lifted. I was like, he had nothing to do it. He's set up for like, he lifted early and was it, the reason he was in the throttle and they weren't was because they were going to hit the wall. He lifted

early knowing, oh, these guys overdrove. All right. Let me lift. Yeah. It is. Point for the corner. Turn one is deceiving because after that, you were on the front row, and I went back to look, okay, how hard can we drive in the corner? Because you don't think you're going that fast because it's a restart and the restart zone's right before the corner. No, you're pretty much going the same speed. But you are going the same speed. And that's, you know, why I really don't drive any deeper than you were because I feel like that's what they did. They just overdrove thinking they're not going that fast because the restart zone's right out of the last corner and just missed it. Yeah. I mean, I was happy about it. I was going to say when that happens, you're just like, all right. So I remember, I wish I said something because now I'm like... Spinning unicorn. No, yes. Yeah, poor Michael.

But I wish I said something on the radio before the restart because I was thinking I was like, I was remember in the O'Reilly race, like, you know, just field kind of flip, people on old tires and everything. I was like, you know, I forget who, they were like, oh, you just could be like LeBron and predict everything, you know, whatever. And I was like, I literally thought I was like, man, like, yeah, it was a good shot. They pile drive in here. I'm going to back it down and lift at everything. And all I remember is seeing just everybody far left. Like most of the fields, like far left.

And I was like, I don't think they're making this. And there's no spotters or anything. So like I kind of like round turn one. And it wasn't even like a shock. Like, Jeff was just like, way to stay cool. And I was like, bro, I was cool. Like I just kind of just like coming around. Yeah, they did wreck.

And then just like pointed right. There I go. through the middle. You do have intuition. Even as Spotters, like, you feel like there's, and then there's intensification, like going into a restart or something, and something's not right. And a lot of times you pick numbers out, like Atlanta, that one year,

you said, okay, I'm going to wait till 43 to go. And they're like, ah, I'm going to wait a little bit. And then you said 37, and then erect on 30s. And then erect was 37 to go. Yeah. It is funny. I'm so happy that works out more often than not for me. Yeah, that's good.

It's so common. It seems like. No, it was fun. It is funny. Who'd you have again? Oh, yeah, you had Justin in the truck race. Yeah, poor guy. Yeah.

I saw him. And I saw him after the race. I was talking to Tyler Rife. He obviously had a shot to win, 42 car and everything. So, like, I got over there. I was leaving the track. And the restart was happening. So as I was leaving the track, how it kind of,

goes is like as you're leaving the military base you're going downhill to turn two and i was like man i'm going to stop and see like what happens here and you know if it gets interesting so i went i went and like i kind of like almost luckily like the cops looked at me and was just like i don't know whatever it's two to go whatever he wants to do uh but like i was like outside the fence there's like a big box and i just started standing on the box like recording or like you know showing my buddies like I was like we're on FaceTime and everything. And I was like, all right, I'm going to stay and watch. Well, then all of a sudden the 42 is up front.

And I was like, well, damn, now I'm going to have to bike all the way back in, try to figure out how to get in the space and, you know, get in the racetrack and everything. And because I was going to be really excited if they won and everything with Al and, you know, Al being a Marine. And he's been there. I didn't know he'd, you know, gone through Coronado at some point. That's really special. Yeah.

And I thought he hit the inside wall. the whole time until I talked to Tyler and he said he locked up yeah unfortunately missed it he was so nervous thinking lane was gonna spin him yeah and I was like man they probably wouldn't spin you in that I don't think like I think you're going too slow in that

that chicane yeah I think you'll I don't think you'll get spin I think you'll just get moved and I text him after Sunday I was like yeah that was wrong less you're in a cup car unless you're in a cup car um but but in that in that situation like being that's the first time he's led, right? Coming to the checkers. First time I think he's led ever.

You get anxious in overdrive. But as a veteran, you want to just slow down and make him move you, correct? Yes, 100%. That's why I was telling him. I was like, let him make the choice of wanting to move you or not.

Make him the bad guy. Yeah. You know? Yeah. Like if you're 51, 49. like risk, you know, trying to balance these decisions and you lower your percentage of chance to win if you just take yourself out of it. Yeah, for sure. By far. But like even too, if like Lane moved him, you know, in your side by side, then you could just now be the bad guy

and, you know, just turn it right and start dorn him or at least drag race and do the whole thing. Yeah. But, yeah. But kudos for him for being there. But I was talking to Justin after and Tyler's like, aha, you know, I, you know, I need to win to get more opportunities. And So, like, you know, just to kind of make the point, Justin was walking by. And I was like, Justin, you have fun? He's like, man, I ran into everything. He's like, I was hoping just to finish. I was hoping to just do it.

And he's like, I hit everything. I wrecked the hell out of this truck, you know, multiple times. And so I'm talking to him. And I'm like, I was like, have you met Tyler? And he's, you know, or Tyler was just like, you know, said something. He's just like, oh, you could have done what I did. And Justin's like, I don't know who the hell you are. Like, I don't know what you did.

And he's like, oh, it was hilarious. Tyler goes, Tyler, I'm. Tyler Rife, I was winning the race. Yeah. And he's like, oh, okay, well, very nice to meet you. And, you know, he's just like, well, you know, you did a lot better than me and this and that. So we started talking and everything. And Justin left.

I was like, well, there you go. You met a cup owner after, you know, thrown away a truck win. Congrats. You know, you've made it. I was like, a 42 thrown away plenty of wins, pal. But no, I was, I thought he did a really good job. It was cool to see that truck up front, though. It was very cool.

I was, I was super pumped. I was like, man, this is best 40, you know, no disrespect to anybody else that's been in it. But I was like, man, It was awesome to see that thing up front. It was. They obviously put Ross in the 45 and he runs good. But they got so many new people over there and everything. But that was cool.

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Yeah. Like, it just felt right at home. Right at home. Yeah. But no, it was fun. Were you on the side where you could see when I got spun in the Shigame? You could see that. Yeah. I thought so. Yep. I was there.

I witnessed it. Did you run to the other side so you didn't have to? I think I was completely fine. I was just disappointed that I didn't get refired quick enough and everything. Because when I rolled back to get out of the way. To get out of the way. I kind of like let off the break to kind of get out of the way. but also too

to kind of like position myself to like take off three take off well I think the motor spun backwards so it was just backfiring the whole time could get it refired yeah I was like oh damn it

I should just stayed in the way now and hope for it blocked the track like a busher did that one time yeah I did I never even got a shot to see that until way after the race I didn't even realize that yeah

but I thought that was you just saw a whole gaggle of cars in front of you because you were probably five seconds behind. I was well behind because we, you know, we just pitted. And we had, the spotters could only see the exit of that corner. Yeah. And all of a sudden I heard wrecking, wrecking. And it was hilarious. It was so funny. I started dying laughing. Because you could tell that everybody in the front, or everybody like around me was getting the same information. Yeah. But just at different times.

So you had like one guy like hand out the window like waving. Another guy kind of. going and like everybody's just stopping on entry. We haven't even seen the crash. Because the drivers don't know if someone's upside down. We have no idea. We have no idea. Just wrecking. Just wrecking. Maybe track block, you know, like they were basically saying stop. Definitely hard to see. And so everybody just starts slowing down. Well, then like, because obviously like not the best spotters are in that corner, right? Like, you know, not like, or even not normal spotters. They're literally just there to call a wreck. Not inside outside, just literally just wreck. That's their whole job. Yeah. In that corner. And it was hilarious because he didn't know what to say. Philip Smallie was in that

corner. He goes, wrecking, go. And so I was like, okay. And so I started going. Well, then like, some others, like, so everybody started going like randomly throughout the corner. And then once everybody saw it, then everybody went. And so that's why like, then they're like four, all five wide, like on top of each other because everybody got told different information. Yeah. And like some people could see it so they're like oh shit i'm gonna stop some people couldn't some people couldn't like it was so they're on that bus right yeah they're on that bus they're going they're going away from the bus so no one can see really what's well also too with all the cars come around the corner if busher spawn in front of all these cars that are coming around a corner yeah bushers blocks so they

don't see sideways or they don't know what he's doing yeah so no that was really funny but um and and to that fact um talking about spotting there uh We had six total spotters. Some guys had four. We went with four, added more. One of your friends, Philip, you know, Greg and Sean also helped us. Dawson was on the roof with me. Like having good guys up there makes my life a lot easier,

especially because on a normal weekend I get to talk the whole time, right, and see everything and I don't have to give control to anyone. So having a good quality group like we had was very beneficial. Yeah. Did you see Noah and Kevin Magnuson? I did. I did. Dude, I would have died if the picture of John Gerard and Ricky Bobby and Magnuson and Noah is hilarious.

And then Briscoe said, I cried laughing at the, I play for keeps. If Noah said that, I would have, there would have been all time. It would have been in every commercial of all time. It would have been in every commercial. I would have bought a Noah's shirt after that. How many times did he ask him why he wrecked him? I think he still asked. Like when he got...

No, no, no. When he got... No, no, no. When he got interviewed well after the interview, he was still asking... Why? Why? Like, why? I wish Kevin would have said just because. No, he basically did.

Yeah. He basically did, because you're an idiot. Yeah. You know, F off. Yeah. Like, he basically did. And like, yeah, I don't... I never really...

So, like, I... Have you used to... seen the like when they're running into each other i went back and watched it last night to see like was there more started that is what started it that cannot there's no way that started so kevin must have been watching you at mile and a halfs and was making all this time up on entry okay right fair um so that is what started it kevin was doing a great job of you know just outbreaking people and jumping out a lot well i mean that's the only way you pass like f1 and mc yeah yeah yeah So that's exactly what he was doing.

He did it to multiple people. Then when he got to Noah, he tried to do the same thing, but Noah saw it coming. So he was already protecting it. Yeah, but like, what turn is that? That's chicane. No, no, no, no. The one before is 12. The first turn, the first turn where they ran into each other.

12, 12, yes. 12 C or F or whatever they want to call it. But like Noah stopped, like really early, right? It looked like he break-checked him. That's why I like I There's no way that didn't There's there's got to be something from before I aren't missing

I watched well before that and that's the first thing that I saw There is no Then Noah has played a lot of F1 video games And he is pissed at Kevin Magnuson Yeah maybe You know career mode Yeah Um

Maybe so That to me that's what started it He was protecting the spot And he knew that he was going to drive in deep Because he just stayed over there Like he didn't even try and make the corner the four, didn't even try to make any arc. So he stayed over there, got hit.

I mean, we all were doing that. We were all, like, protecting it. But also, too, like, hit or miss if you have a spotter over there. So, like, you can kind of, like, play ball a little bit there. But honestly, if he didn't have his head back, he's probably seeing stars with how hard to hit. Oh, for sure. You know? Yeah.

So he might not have been in his right mind the whole time after that, but how hard he got hit. I mean, the defensive driving from No was pretty impressive for a while. Yeah. Yeah. And then they, then the same lap. into turn two. Kevin kind of swiped him and got him a little free again.

Let him go and then Noah gave him the finger and then they started playing a little bumper tag after that. I think Noah might have hit him four times and then Kevin had him three times. The third time was the knockout. So the thing is though like if you're spotting for Noah in that situation are you not telling him

like hey this guy has nothing to lose he's only here once he's not like are you not like if that's yeah if I'm Noah yeah

are you not saying that team deescalation yeah deescalate yeah you guys do enough of escalating your your emotions deescalate on the radio

as much as we can yeah because they're because like I was seeing like a lot of people like saying like how Noah like what do you what do you do to like get it back

like well he hit him the first time got him the second time the finger came out Noah Kevin outbraked him in the chican and then Noah popped him. And Noah popped him good enough

to almost knock him in the fence. And I think at that point it's like, okay, it's over. Like I feel like, I feel like the only reason this is a massive, like I say massive deal, but like a bigger deal than it is is because Kevin's not, well, because Kevin's not racing next week. He just like, it might not rent a cup car ever again. Yeah.

You know, like so I think that's probably the biggest thing. because otherwise it would just be like, we've seen this stuff before. Like, it's normal like road course. I'm mad at you. All right, well, you're not getting by me. This is why it gets him back right here. Yeah, they go in the chican and then right there.

I think at that point it's like, okay, you... Game on. Yeah. Yeah, game on. You junked him. Or he... Yeah, he got him back loose. Yeah.

The whole shebang. Yeah. But I feel like it's way blown out just because of like, because like going to Sonoma just be like okay you know

either you know if Kevin Magnuson was a full time guy it would be like okay Magnuson's either pointing him by next week

or he's getting spun yeah yeah but yeah it was entertaining I was very entertained yeah I just needed it

a fight so well so no I was rolling down pit road you know I have all my stuff off and

oh hang on well I'll get back to that go ahead well I saw rolling down pit road and I look

and Noah is like this like you know like because he's out he's just Wait on it. In street close,

watching everybody were on pit road. And I know I'm like the second to last car on a pit road. And I'm like, like, first of all, I'm like checking myself. I was like,

did I do something? I haven't seen the four all day. Okay. Is it bad? You have to ask you. And then I'm, I'm, but I'm just like,

all right, no, I'm good. Okay. Did I ever see the four wrecked? I mean, clearly he didn't finish. Yeah.

Okay. All right, he's waiting on somebody. For 40 laps. 40-ish laps. I think that wreck lap happened around like 32-ish. It did? Yeah, it was early. It was early?

Oh, damn. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, yeah, stage two to go. Yeah. So 38. Was that a caution? It was.

That was one of caution. That's the one that ended the second stage. Yeah. Okay. Well, so that's the thing. So like most of the time, like I pretty much can know, I watched the Jumbotrons while I race and... No TVs to watch.

No TVs to watch. Nothing to do. None of that. And a lot of times the cautious were like self-cleaning everything. Cleo's just calling me now. Hold on. Hello? Brother, are you talking about right now?

You're on the air right now because we're recording right now. Well, that's even better. Yeah. Or do I need to call in? you the link. Hit the link. They're saying hit the link so they can get, you know, they want to be able to put you in the thumbnail. All right.

All right. Pause. What a guy. Well, so he calls me on every podcast that he like does and everything. And guest appearances. So he called me, well, he does his podcast at like 7 a.m. So like Dale does his like 8. 8.30.

Maybe it's a dad. Cletus does it at like 7. and whatever. And so legitimately, the Monday after Taday, he calls me, and he's like, I don't know why you didn't answer.

Like, bro, I'm in, like, I'm in bed. So then the next week... Because they're not active drivers. That's why. Well, I know.

But, like, so the next week, he calls me. And, like, it wakes me up. But, like, I was, I look over and he's like,

you know, I was like, Cleas McFarland calling. And I was like, ah, I didn't answer last week. I got to answer. So I swipe.

And I go, I go, man, he's just like, what are you doing? I was like, I'm up, man. He's like, you up? I'm up. What are you doing? And I, like, do this with my eyes. Like, as I'm waking up, I look around and I'm like, what am I doing?

I don't know. I'm just up. And I died laughing going back, but like, I 100% just woke up. I had no idea. I had no idea that, like, I was in a day's. Clint's, do you hear us? Yeah, I got you. You got you? me? Yeah, I got it. Well, so you call me all the time on the podcast, and I'm here. I got Tyler Green. He's filling in for T.J. Majors. I'm Dale, Dale Jr. this week. I just figured I would call you. Did you watch San Diego? Absolutely. What do you think of the street courses? Would you be

able to put, would you be better at drifting around the street courses or driving a NASCAR around it? brother, I think I'd do good at a street course, you know? It's a little more my style. All these guys have perfected turning left, so I think I'd have a little bit more even. So I, weirdly enough, feel like I'm way better at the street courses than I am the regular road courses because I have defined limitations of where I got to go. Yeah. You can only go to the outside wall and the inside wall.

Uh-huh. I mean, I just feel like it's more basic. Plus chaos. Let's drive in chaos. Yeah, I mean, well, you're just a, you're a natural winner, you know, your Carson Freaking Host of ours. So obviously, you know. I've got a promo here.

That makes a lot of sense. But I do agree. And, you know, I started out in road course racing versus, you know, this turn left in an oval situation turns out way more complicated than it looks. So I like the idea of. of just here's where you got to go. And I can hit an apex, you know. I can't necessarily run the groove in the perfect spot.

I tell you what, I tell you what, there's less pit stops in road course racing. Less green flag entries for you. That could be very helpful in my case. You know what I'm saying? That's so good. That's pretty much all I had for you, brother. I think next year we'll find out.

What's next race for you? Taladega, you know, our track, our spot, I'll be a Dega in the Nees truck. Oh yeah, there you go. Nees truck, it almost had a shot to win that. I know. I was pumped, too.

I was pumped too. It's looking good. All right, brother. Well, thanks for jumping on real quick. That's all I had for you. But I appreciate it. Keep up the great work. Thank you.

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Yeah. So I never really saw it. So, like, they were saying that Redick basically, like, accidentally ran into Heim and then he just pulled over. Is that what happened? So Heim out broke him into two. Okay. It's by him. I don't think they were.

ever touched when heim passed him. Okay. So they go through three. This is four. A little touch there. That's fine. A little crossover. So they roll through. They roll through to this is five. Going into five. Yep. Outbreaks him.

Gets loose. A little free. Moves up a little bit, not much. I don't even know what they touched. Barely taps. He just stops? Supposedly. Yeah. I mean, he's definitely slow. I don't know how much. I mean, like, I mean, like, I

I like, I get it. 100%. Like I understand the, you know, I mean, maybe I'm not, you know, the perfect, you know, cleanliness driver to, you know, put my opinion on this. But from this, I'm thinking from like the fan perspective, if you are a race fan,

does this not devalue how much the drivers want to win? Yes. Like, thank you. Especially too, it is different. So one of my friends made a good point. It would be different if Reddick was the guy running him down, right? The faster car running him down, got to him and moved him. And moved him by accident and was like, oh, I want to do it right.

Not the guy holding on, like, probably like that he had to, he clearly felt like he had to make that move to cross over to hold him up. Like pretty much you watch Hime get back out in front. Reddick gives him six car lengths. You pretty much turn your T off. Or you know like, oh, it's over. Or if you're the guys on the 45, obviously you'd be happy for the 67 guys. But also, too, you're racing for points.

You're racing for a regular season champ. And you are door to door with him. It's not like he just punted him in the back bumper. You didn't spin him out. And, you know, like, if he spun him out, like half spun him and, like, waited on him a little bit, but stayed in front of him, I'd be like, all right, little respect there. All right, whatever. But, like, you gave him six car lanes. You're slower than him.

And you gave up any shot at the win. You're racing for the regular season championship. And, too, the contact, did it blow his tire? I don't know when the tire went But so he basically But it was his left front that blew It was the left front So he could have ran over something right here

But with how show it was Or he might have hit the wall Potentially but Yeah But still like From the I feel like NASCAR struggles From the prestige side

The credibility side You know This is a massive race Right like Like you know Call it a one and done Crown jewelish Could be yeah

Like like you know just bragy rights a little bit, but throw the regular season points on the lot, out the window, you pretty much showed of like, ah, winning is not that important, to the fan perspective. Like, the fan perspective would go,

well, what the, like, if I was a fan, I'd be like, what the fuck? Like, I'm... I think winning the right way is the best way. But I don't think when you're, when you're door-to-door with someone,

and, I mean, Redick was going to make the corner. It wasn't like he just ran in there and blasted him. When you're side-by-side, I mean... He made. an aggressive move and got loose and barely touch. Yeah, at least, but I don't think Reddick clears him. Like, even if he did like some of a normal corner, I think Corey still would have been there. And he would have outbroke him and then you race.

Or two, maybe you like let at least, if you're going to let him go, let him go in like the next corner to make it look better for TV standards. If your owner is Michael Jordan, you think like he's going to give the point? Yeah, imagine. Imagine Michael Imagine Michael like doing a dirty block and they're going Getting the ball And be like

Oh shit I didn't mean to do that Hold on Or try again Or like Hold on here you go Here you go If he had the ball Broke the guy's ankles

And knocked him down But then No it's the commercial It's a commercial No no no I touch the ball coach Oh yeah I touch the ball

Damn it I was just a championship game No Good sportsmanship You know pass it on Like dude that's what it is Yeah I don't like it No No, well, just, it's just, it's just mess.

I don't, I don't know. Like, I, if you're a team owner, sure. Like, you know, because, you know, obviously, you know, you don't want your, your, your, your cars running into each other, you know, the whole deal. I feel like racing for the win in this scenario and everything, you know, that Reddit kind of has on the line of, it's just, it's just so devaluing of like the sport, everything. And that that's now the narrative. Like, you could have this awesome battle for the line of. the win that Haim does, but now it's just like, well, Reddick, let him go. Yeah.

And that's cool. I mean, you're going to have two different guys. You're going to have the old school guys that say respect 100% don't touch each other, be respectful, win it the clean way. Then you have the new generation that everyone talks about that, you know, puts people in bad situations, does things to win races. And I think there's a boxy plan, right? You have the respect to not just run over.

someone, but you also have to position yourself to take advantage of people. And he positioned himself to take advantage of him by outbreaking him door to door. I don't think you necessarily let him go like he did, but at least let him gather it up and stay close to each other. It just very much felt like when you're on eye racing or anything and you're racing with your buddies and you accidentally spin your buddy out and like, but you're not like racing, you're just like in a practice and you're just like running laps together and you spin them out and you're just like, all right, you know, just gather it up and I'll wait on you. Yeah.

Like, but like this is like a full-blown cup race. Like, like you're hoping. Yeah. But at the same time, if you're Redick and you do that, you move him. When the 67 gets back to him, he's probably going to use him up. And that's a fair game, in my opinion. Yeah. Well, I mean, if anything, like if, that's what I mean, like, if Reddit got in front of him

going in the Red Bull corner and was like, oh, I'm probably going to get, you know, kind of shipped here, or, you know, now I'll get 30ed up here. And you move over and, you know, kind of let him go. go and then, you know, like, hey, I let you go and then you go back racing. I feel like that's better um, um, optically for sure than just stop. You know, like, I, I feel like that that would have been better. It just at least keep the position, not let him get five car links in front of you. Yeah, especially like, pretty much like a lot of my buddies were like, yeah, we were like really interested in this battle and everything. And it's just like, you saw that and there's just like,

oh, well, now it's over. Oh, okay. Well, it race is over. But, no, well. I mean, respect though. Whatever. The walls repair, they got pretty good at that. They did good. They did really good by the end of it. It took a while for the first one, right? Yeah.

The O'Reilly race, they actually, when Mayor hit the fence, they actually had to replace the wall and the fencing. When our race, it wasn't that bad, and they just drug it back out. But it was cool to see when the manhole cover came up, instead of a normal welding truck, they brought out like a military truck. Really? Yeah, military truck with the trailer

and like the military guys were they were ready to go. Oh yeah. Yeah. And then the next day for the cup race, they had cement walls already on the military trucks, like ready to go.

Like they were prepped and ready. So that part was cool. That is cool. Yeah. Did you see the truck practice one where the photographer jumps out of the way? Yes, I saw that video. That's when Justin hit the wall.

That was insane. Yes, I did see that. Yeah, there was a guy behind the wall, right where Justin hit it at the fastest corner, which a lot of us thought going into the race, based off the sim, was this sweeping really fast corner was not even really going to be a corner.

It was basically straight away. You're going to hold it wide open. We all got there and slick. The slickest part of the track, by far, until it got rubbered up later in the cup race. But like qualifying practice, truck race, O'Reilly race, you were nervous to ever, ever do that. go around through that corner.

But with the walls there, as fast as we were going, yeah, you don't want to, you don't want to have any issues like a photographer staying there. But I think those walls giving somewhat is beneficial.

No, that's way better. Because like Chicago, I didn't know this, so somebody brought it up yesterday, Chicago, they butted up against the curb. So that's where, that's where like with mine,

when I hit, there's a lot harder. There's a tunnel there. No, there was a tunnel. Yeah. Like right behind the wall. So it hit the concrete behind the wall.

So, like, it moved a little bit, but it stopped. Yeah. Yeah. And I was like, oh. So I think the, the wall giving was a good thing. Obviously, you don't want to break it, but. I mean, like, with Anchoram, when he wrecked, it, like, broke the wall. Yeah.

I mean, that's good unless you, like, you know, it's perfect. It's perfect that it's going to move until you maybe catch the other one and it rips the car open potentially. Yes. Yeah. Luckily, we didn't have that happen. And then you were, you were not on the plane. but I which Luke I'm pumped

just everything in life I'm hoping that I can get away with most people want to work hard to achieve what they want to achieve I want to achieve what I want to achieve so I don't have to work that hard you know what I mean yeah and so

when I was going out to San Diego I Diego Diego dude you ever see Anchorman is that now how they say San Diego San Diego okay yeah He nailed it. Come on, man. Sorry.

Come on, Tyler. Go ahead. Sorry to interrupt. Wait, have you seen Anchorman now? Have you seen Anchorman now? That's a no. That's a no. All right.

What are we doing? Carson. I have. Will Ferrell, right? Help him out. All right. He's seen the clips. He's probably on TikTok.

He saw the clips. He saw the clips. Yeah. But anyways, so we're going out there and I line up my, you know, I walk through the airport and look like an absolute clown. But I'm going to be a. but look like an absolute clown. I have Ethernet cords, a wheel, a pedal, a laptop, you know, six bags around me. And I walk through the deal and like there's other teams at the Concord FPO.

And they're just like, you know, now at this point they just kind of like laugh and they're just like, yeah. There's a host of rocker. I mean, the week before I had a train horn walking through the FBO just blasting it. But they're like, yep, there he goes. And so I set it up. We're, you know, plugging everything into the airplane and everything. I'm lining it up. and you're not on our plane

but so Sparks the crew chief of the seven takes a picture of me and he sends it to Jeff Dickerson our boss and Jeff sends back of that's awesome I'm walking in to a meeting with Dan Towers and the whole deal about our future and our future state of the company and you send me a picture of that

that's our future yeah that's awesome that's awesome I'm in there in shorts with a little Logitech wheel on a desk on a desktop. At first it was on your lap, all of it. Well, at first it was on my lap because you're not allowed

to put the trade table up, even in a private, you know, G4 or whatever. You can't put a trade table. So you follow the rules on a plane, right? So I'm, but like, it was a full mad rush because I didn't realize

with Iris and UI, you had to have internet to load it up. I, because you could test drive off. Once it's loaded, you're good. You could test drive offline, but to get to hit test drive, you have to have internet. And so I didn't realize that.

So I'm like on my hot spot, like hustling. And I'm like on my, I'm trying to calibrate my wheel, do everything before we take off. And we're on like the tarmac. Yeah, no, I'm getting ready to be like, you know, pull the lever. I'm getting ready to try to pull the lever to hit the emergency brakes. And so I'm trying to load this thing up.

We finally get it loaded. And so I'm making laps doing everything. And, you know, they're kind of like laughing. But like, you know, they're like, okay, well, if this helps and everything, whatever. But obviously, you know, fifth in practice, second qualifying, upfront, stage points, both stages, have a shot to win the race. you know now now it's like man we need to put that thing out every week you know Sonoma you know you better be bringing it have you talked them into a permanent no I'm trying to I'm trying to I'm well I don't know how we could get that to work

because we don't have a Starlink and I would really like to where there's a will there's a way well well when there's a will there's 250,000 bill um so there's that um for the internet but we would have to like take the seat out and I think we dry lease that plane. I think you break your lease if you start taking things off. So I'm like, yeah. Probably wouldn't like that. No, they probably wouldn't. But it worked.

But it did work. So yeah, I'm going to try to keep that up. But yeah, no, it was fun. I enjoyed, I enjoyed that. But if I ran bad, like if we ran bad, then, you know, it would be like, all right, well, it's not worth the headache. Don't, you know, leave the damn, you know, Logiteek wheel at home and leave it. it all. But they were like, yeah, yeah,

bring it every week. Luke, Luke was like, yeah, bring that thing every week. Keep it consistent. How many laps did you run on the flight? A lot, a lot. I mean, more minutes and hours than laps completed. I was wrecking a lot. So because the force feedback didn't work. So it was really difficult. Because, I mean, you know, you'd have a little bit turbulence and then, you know, then it doesn't match up with the bumps. and then the wheeled has no force feedback. I'm like, because I didn't get a shot to, I had to hit force,

I had to get the force feedback calibrated with internet. And so that was the only thing I didn't get done before we got off the air. Yeah, I was like, damn. But, no, it's funny. So you're taking a Sonoma? I am taking it. Okay, I'll take it to Sonoma.

I mean, I don't know how many laps I'm going to do because I do at least know Sonoma. Yeah, been there. But I have to bring it just now because. I mean, what else you're going to do during the flight, though, too? No, seriously. Well, that was the biggest thing. It was like, it's a long flight.

Yeah. So it really helped. I mean, we started putting other people, though, on it. Matt McCall got on it, and he, I don't think he could ever complete a lap, but he started to see a little bit every corner at some point. But, yeah. Something we were talking about, Tyler, yesterday was the fact that, man, the field is going to be pretty locked out here soon.

Yeah. You know what I mean? Yeah. New blood coming in. New blood with crews. So, you know, and he's destined to take over the Levin here soon. And, like, you know, Jesse Love, Zillich, you know, myself, you know, a lot of, like, it was funny when I was in quarter-imid racing, like, 2010, somebody was like, you know, we're talking about what we want to do. I was like, man, I think I'm going to make it to cup.

And they're like, why? And I was like, well, because it times out perfectly. Well, you know, in 10 years. These guys are going to be out. These guys are going to be out. Yeah. So, I mean, there's a lot. lot less people here soon that will be like, you know, going out. And there's basically,

you're going to get to a point that the top 25, the only thing we're talking about is just if they're going to switch rides. Yeah. Less about who's going in and out. Who's going to replace someone. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I agree with that. Like Denny being on the way out, Cruz possibly fill in his seat. Zillich, Hugh, Jesse, all those guys, you know, I feel like Josh Barry could still be going somewhere else in the Cubs series

like all the like there's like but like even too like even like the guys that like a Zane Smith that's like front row Todd like Todd like he like Zane's too good that you're not gonna

even if they he has a bad year you know he could do it Todd it seems like they like him over there and he has some good runs but like you know the only thing is that you know they might switch teams and within the next three, five years.

But, like, otherwise, they're probably going to be there for a very long time. They're not going to look to switch them out. So it's like, okay, well, they're going to be there for a while. You know, it's just like, man, like there's, I think we counted like there's like five guys, five rides that within the next three, five years that they'll probably fill out with like a young car, young driver. And then that's going to be your top 25 fieldish for the next 20 years. So does this make new rivals?

in the Cups Series. Yeah, probably. I mean, at some point, you're going to have your, yeah, you're going to have your guys for the next, however many years. Do you feel like with the older generation getting older, you didn't have as many rivals, everyone lived in the motor home lot together,

kids played together, wives shopped together. You have the new guys coming in that are eager to prove themselves. Do you feel like racing is going to get better? That's a good point. I think ultimately, like, yeah, I think that's a, I think that's it, I haven't even thought of that, that I think it could. Just from the standpoint of like, they're not all friends per se.

Yeah. Not that they're all friends, but their wives aren't friends. Kids don't play together. You know, like I obviously can't speak from experience, but it's got to be awkward when you wreck somebody or you get in. into it with somebody or you're having a heated discussion or you argue on pit road and then you go over your kids and they're playing with the guy you just had an accident with or whatever and now they're either probably talking about like oh now we can't be friends or now they're arguing and everything again now they're not friends anymore like i'm sure that's a weird dynamic

and awkward having to have a conversation with harrison after Nashville when you allegedly got him the what allegedly hooked him at Nashville under caution i had to have the same kind of theory. Lessons learned. Exposal of day. Speed and ticket. But new rivalries could come out of it. Better racing.

Well, I mean, maybe not better racing, but more entertaining racing. The only thing that I hope does not follow to the Cup series is I wish every TV person would stop saying Jesse Love and Connor Zilich are the best of friends. I wish they would stop that. Are they not?

No, I know they are, but you don't have to say it in every interview. It's the same thing as like Jordan, Jordan Smith and Justin Thomas that always like it gets brought up every time. No, but I'm just like, damn it. Like I do I like you like they can be friends, but it's like every interview. It's just like what's it like racing your best friend that you go out with every night and do everything. It's just like it's that's not doing anything to help the sport.

Like I'm like I feel like all it is is just making the stereotype is like all the drivers are are too close of friends or too. You know, they're not going to race each other super hard and everything. I just feel like that's just feeding that even more. And now it's feeding it with like, you know, the next guy's in cup. And it's like, oh, I hope that doesn't. Like, you know, it's cute in O'Reilly, but I hope it doesn't translate to Cup from the TV perspective of everything. Like, they could be friends and everything and, you know, they could talk about it. But it's the second they're on a racetrack together or the second they're in an interview, it's every time.

Yeah. And it's like, oh, like, we need enemies, not friends. I know. For good quality racing. Like, just put me and Corey Hyme on a racetrack. It just line us up and put us on the front row. There you go. Let us go out of it.

That's what I mean. Yeah. But no, that's the only thing. But I've been wanting to say that for a while. It's just like, because like obviously I was a fan like watching them, you know, go at it in the championship. But it's like how can you set the promo? Like the whole championship is like how, you know, the whole championship promo was not like these guys are racing against each other. It's just two best friends are racing each other.

exciting. Yeah. And it's like, like, can, at least for the one week, the race for your championship, can we drop the friend? Like, I get it's an interesting question. But when it's like 38 to go, race it for a championship, we don't need to hear it again. You know? It's like, ah.

Best friends. Yeah. I mean, they are best friends. I mean, they're inseparable. I mean, it's awesome. Like, I'm good for them. Happy for them. You know, I feel bad for their girlfriends or whatever because, like, I think they have a bigger bromance

than any relationship they could ever have. But I'm happy for them. Yeah. But it's not your thing. Not, no. Oh, I just, I just don't want to, if I'm a fan, I don't know if I want to hear that every time. It's like, no. Unless they race hard enough to, you know, make each other mad.

So that's the thing. So that's the thing. Wait to where they, like, run into each other or they, like, have an accident together, or they run one, too. it's just like, you know, then bring it up. But when you're bringing it up every time, it doesn't add the weight it would in that moment of just like, man, how does it feel when you just got used up by your best friend? Or how does it feel when you just got drove around by your best friend, you know, for the win?

It would add more weight. You know what I mean? There's a time and place for it. There's a time and place. Like, if they just do it every time, then it's just like, uh, yeah, it's just over saturating. Yeah. I don't know. That's just what I have.

But I just haven't heard. I just feel like you've been seeing so much stuff about the silly season and everything, but you haven't been seeing, you haven't been hearing the conversation of we are getting to truly the next era here of the field locking out. Yeah. And it's going to be really, really difficult for truck or O'Reilly guys to get there. Yeah, for sure. Is it time for the winner segment?

Speaking of rivalries. Speaking of rivalries. That's a good transition. Hang on. Hang on. Let me ask you one thing. Okay. After the race, so leading into this, 67 restart, are we going to restart, right? Leading 45 gets by us, driving the chicane, 67 rolls the center a lot quicker than you do, gets in the back of you and spins you out, right? You drive back to 19th after spinning out.

After the race, we're always on guard when stuff happens, right? Like I'm on Channel 10. like Dan's our car chief, CJ, all the guys. I'm like, hey, be at the car because I don't know what's going to happen. Or, hey, watch this guy because I'm not sure what's going to happen. I'm standing on the roof and I don't see you. And I don't see you. And I don't see you.

There goes to 67. So I'm like, okay. Well, he didn't go by the 67. What took you so long to get back to the pit road after the race? So I, you know, I crossed the line. I like kind of took my helmet off, took my gloves off and everything. And I just went really slow.

And I just enjoyed the views. Like I was like, you know, I was like throttle wapping at like fans and waving at them and everything. Because like a lot of them were cheering and like they were probably like, yeah, first lead left finish on road course. Congrats. Oh, I'm sure. Yeah.

They, but no, I was just like, I was just going super slow. Like I was like, we're not going to come back here. Or good shot of not ever. experience in this. And I was

just really happy with my performance and everything. I felt like we did a really, really good job on like the car and direction. So like I was like really content with like and we like went back forward. Like we ran down the pack and then past some more cars to get some more spots. So I just went

really slow and like got to like just embrace it with the fans and you know, I look like a parade lap on a local night. Like I was waving and now I was like, yay. Yeah. They probably thought you won the race. No, seriously. I was like, yeah, I was joking. I was like, man, I was not robbed of victory.

Yeah. But the, you know, the fans were. Yeah. You know, they were going to see the greatest celebration of all time. Because I was, somebody asked me, and they're like, you know, what happens if you win? What are you going to do when you win? And I was like, number one, I was like, I'm not winning.

But I was like, dude, if I do win, I tell you exactly what I'm doing. I'm going to roll over to turn seven. And I know exactly where a gap is. I'm going to stop my car. I'm going to roll out. I'm going to run over towards the aircraft carrier. And I'm going to go jump in the water. And I'm going to have a Navy guy come get me out.

And then I'm just going to just try to go find the aircraft carrier or I'll go try and I wanted to go drive. I knew exactly where a gap was. I was like, man, what if I went into the center of the military base? Pass the guys what they are. No, no, not past a. Damn, me. No, no, on turn seven, where you are, no, turn five, you know, where the buildings were, and you could turn left. No, you could turn left where the hangers were and stuff.

Okay. I was just wanting to turn left and just go see what was around there. And I was just going to go do a burnout there. I was just going to go do a burnout in a random spot on this racetrack that they wouldn't expect me to just go do a burnout. I was just going to do it right in the military, like right in the middle of the racetrack, and do it. I mean, I probably got, like, they would have not been thrilled about me. They probably wouldn't have been had cameras there. But somebody with an iPhone would have saw it.

Yeah. They would have been pumped. So that's where I was like, you know, that's why I just kept reminding yourself. I was like, I was not robbed. Yeah. The industry was. But it was going to be. But no, I was just really happy with my performance, how fast we were, everything that I was just like, you know, I kind of like had the talk pre-restart two to myself of just like, I don't know, for whatever reason.

Like I wasn't like, I was just like, you know, this is all gravy. this is all house money you know just you know whether you know late last restart of the day we're leading the race at a road course yeah not really on strategy you know a little bit on strategy but we went you know

the strategy got us from third to first yeah like all right well I'll call it not strategy yeah um strategy plus a good car strategy plus good car the whole deal but no I was but that's why I was really slow as I you know had my helmet off and everything soaking it in do you think of a fight? Not necessarily. I mean, the way you didn't say anything on the radio after it happened,

I knew you're okay. No, I mean, I felt like that was, I felt like that was four years coming, ish. Yeah. And I was like, all right, fair. Yeah. Have you had a conversation with him at all? Yeah, Denny said you asked for his number. I did. He didn't know what happened. I did. No, I was wondering that. Yeah, he said on his show that he thought you're just going to congratulate. Then he saw what happened he's like oh I had no idea no I'm I mean obviously he he is very good and I'm looking forward to racing his ass off for you know 20 years um but like I don't know I do enjoy racing him like um like on the truck side like I remember Texas I like looked down pit road to look at the tricon trucks and like I looked over And I was like, I wanted to see who was in the one this week. And I was like, ah, it's not high. I was like, okay, we'll win this week.

No problem. Yeah, I think we can beat him. But like, it's just like it's, you know, it's going to be probably between me and him. Or I think the Tricon trucks are probably the best trucks, but he's definitely by far the best of like taking advantage of him. Yeah. And everything. For sure. So.

But no, I was, but also, too, like, I probably would have been more like, damn it. you know other places but like road course I was like just happy I was fast yeah I'm just I was just happy I was enjoying it and everything and I was just in a good spot that week and everything but yeah I was I was just pumped that we were fast that was ultimately the goal yeah good weekend on the 77 it was great yeah I was happy about it you know we're fifth in practice got stage points whole shang almost got SVG in qualifying I know if I didn't miss that she came I overdrove the game.

At least you both did it. So he did it too. So that's what made me feel at least somewhat better, too, is that he did it too. Like he wasn't thrilled with his lap. So I was like, okay, well, like, I'm not thrilled with my lap, but neither is he. Yeah. So if he is his best lap, it would have been better than mine. So I'm like, I'd deserving second.

Yeah, deserving second. But, I mean, it was good. So you were going to talk to him today, but he's out west, so unavailable. So will you reach out to him or? No. Well, I mean, I was excited to do the interview. I was excited. I was excited to do the winner segment here.

But, you know, they must not have cell service in California. Can't call in? Time zones. Time zones. Yeah. It's true. It's 9 o'clock there. It's early.

I mean, I had a good few questions. Yeah. I was ready to go. I was going to ask him when his next cup race was. I was excited. Go racing. What? Yeah.

No, I just didn't know. I was like, I bet he's on. I wonder if he's on the entry list. He might be the truck race. He wasn't on the entry list. There is no truck race this week. No, Wilkesboro. Be the next row.

When is his next cup race? Chicago. Chicago, two weeks. AI. There you go. Oh, they are. Not that's it. Just Google it.

Dude, seriously. Well, she got any good Dell Jr. Stories you want to tell anyone? Good, Daniel, Jr. stories. I don't know. Tie it all back in. What's your first Dale Jr. story? Probably that picture I sent you the other day of when I was,

probably seven or eight and my dad was running the Bush series. My uncle Jeff was where they were all racing against him in the three. And I had my Dell Jr. T-shirt on supporting my dad, but supporting him at the same time. And I think I went over to him after a race and it got his autograph. I don't know if my family was very thrilled about it, but I was excited. So I'd say that's one of my earliest memories of him. just my dad and uncle was racing against him right like they'll aren't being the legend he was and then and then del junior being the new kid coming in when my dad and uncles were racing each other

so for the people that don't know you raced yourself yep when did you stop racing probably seven or eight years ago when i started spotting more um did go carts junior dragsters vandaleros when we moved over to charlotte when my dad started around the dr pepper car in 99 ran bandeleros against legano uh Kyle Grissom Steve Grissom son and Matt Martin yep hemrick was running um Austin Hill so we started run Legends cars uh they had those big races the big money races Daniel won the first one um I won the third and fourth one unfortunately the first one was the big paying the million 350 to win the other two that I won were 25 grand well 25 grand and 2,500. Oh, that's a big drop off in the last one. Oh, God. I think it was 250, then 100, then 25, then

2,500. So the opposite of what you would expect. Like, they normally build it up. They just blew their water right at the start. So it was all in one, the first one. Finished like fifth, top five and all of them, but the last two I won, but they were the least paying. Austin Hill actually finished second to me, the second of the last one. So Legends cars, did some late model stuff. Um, went to the fairgrounds in a late model stock and raced against pro late models. They gave us a weight break, but. Oh, God. Yes, ended up like eighth, I think.

So it was bad. Had a good time. That was super cool. What stopped? What was the, was it financial stopping? Was it just life stopping it? A little bit of everything. With the Legends car stuff, the way the tires were, we cut.

them ourselves. Then you had to go test and break them in before you can even race them. So like the money side plus the time side. And then I started spotting for my dad on the weekends. And even before that with my dad racing, I didn't always race on the weekends because he was gone. Like I always raced with him. So if he was home, off weekend, we'd go run the late model. But if he wasn't off, then we would have to go to the racetrack for him. Right. So didn't get to race a whole lot because of that and then I started spotting for him, saw a career path in it. I feel like spotting is the second best thing to driving, you know, helping the guys I spot for as much as I can on the driving side. Always had aspirations to do it. You know, kind of wish I would have stuck to it

a little longer just to see, you know, what I could have done like Corley LaJoy was in the same path I was. Like said, Hemrick, obviously you need funding, right, to get the opportunities. but it would have been it would have been interesting to see how how I well I would have done in my cousin Austin right he's got an opportunity the last couple of years has done really well definitely a great road course racer like I I felt like I was pretty good in the road course stuff too so it's I would have loved the opportunity but like I said spotting second best to driving and and I've had a great time especially since I started spot for you so I was just say the money probably was like probably pretty spread thing

in the greenhouse just for the just for the fact there were so many so many greens racing it's just like oh little here little here

like once you sponsor green you sponsor them all basically yeah oh it's so funny no I've never really asked why

you stopped yeah even piggybacking off of what you said when I was coming up in racing I was at the wrong time yeah it was locked

you were at where it was locked out yes and now it's kind of open back up to where you're you're coming in. So it's, life's about timing.

You were, you were at the era of the, you know, the Boston Reeds of the world where they get two shots in a bush car. Yeah. If you didn't win them, you're done.

Yeah. Like, it's like, you know, everybody had a Hendrick Gibbs, whatever team was around then, development deal. And then,

you know, ah, you know, ah, you know, uh, yeah, yeah.

Yeah. So money, timing, timing, the whole deal. Yeah. You never, did ASA?

Never did anything? No, just late Moss stocks, yeah. And then that was your own stuff? Yeah, yeah. Me and Dad built all our stuff. If we could build it, we wouldn't buy it. It was always our mentality. The old school racer stuff.

So I always enjoyed taking my car apart, building it through the off season, wintertime, putting it back together. You know, Sam Mayer ran for us in Lesnarcars. I didn't know that. Yep. Sam McCauley, who is the crew chief of the 20 O'Reilly car. him and I were good friends. We'd always work together,

rebuild our cars together. Mike Snyder ran for us. So we've had a few people run through our lessons car stuff. But yeah, I always had the aspirations to drive, but just didn't work out. Just got to come hang out with you.

I like our team's unique. Like you raced, Nicholas Soa, our elite engineer, he still races. Yeah. Yeah. Well,

he thinks he races. We tell him he doesn't. He just kind of rides around. He tries hard. He tries really hard. No, he does. Well, he kind of got screwed that he, when he was coming up, I don't know how they do the legends cars, like, formatting of like what series you're in. But when he was coming up, like, he was pretty good.

But now he's like hobby racing. Yeah. Well, the problem is he's still like in the class he was when he was grown up trying to become a race car driver. So now he's like with the guys trying to prove himself. Yeah. He's not in the hobby racing. So he's kind of dealt a bad hand on that one. And then Luke raced himself too.

like everybody on our team that has like a deciding factor raced. And then even like Jeff, like he, you know, he would tell you for sure that he attempted racing, did not do a lot of racing. Yeah. On, you know, on, but he did a lot of midgets. Never ran spick cars, but midgets and everything. And he flipped a lot. Yeah.

But like everybody that has like a deciding factor on the 77, like obviously me, but like, you know, between you, soa. Luke and Jeff, like all have racing feedback and experience. Yeah, yeah. Even Matt McCall, our competition. Yeah, even Matt. Like, he was fourth of media week in the gong show. That's very true.

I remind him that every time. He was fourth of media week. It was a big deal. It was a big deal. Yeah. No, I remind him that all the time. When he was on the Sim, when he piled over that thing in the wall, I was like, yeah, it's fourth of media week right there, pal.

Yep. Showing us how you did it. He loves it. No, he had to put the driving line on. I want to put that out there. I had to make him put the driving line on. Oh, that's not good. Yeah, he had to put the driving line on.

That's rough. That's funny. If he had the driving line on and the gong show, he maybe would have made it. He maybe would have made it. Love you, man. Love you, man. Hell of a late motor race. Hell of a late motor race.

So I spotted for him. Remember that? So he won Southern National twice, and I was spot him for him. Wait, you spotted for him? The two races he won back to back, I spotted for him. And then this last year, I didn't get the call to spot for him. Wait, did he win when you spotted Carson? Hell no.

He ripped the nose off, lap zero. Like lap zero Legitimately So he's like always on me Like me and him fight tooth and nail We fight all the time He keeps Carson honest Yeah

Yeah he's like the uncle of the team No me and him argue all the time Of like Yeah I don't think there's a thing called You know there's There's I think saving tires Is a myth You can manage your tires

You can manage your tires You can manage the heat You can manage the wear You cannot save them You can physically not go slow Unless you went like ridiculously slow But you cannot go

realistically slow enough to have more tire later. Eventually they just get hot and they wear the same they're basically gonna wear. And sometimes you go slow enough that you're sliding them more and you end up wearing them more.

This is a big debate. Big debate. And so he thinks I'm full of shit. And I might be, but I'm not letting him believe that. And so anyway, so we go tooth and nail. So he argues with me all the time about patience and everything.

and racecraft and tires, tire saving. And I'm like, all right, well, Southern National Late Mall race, tires wear completely perfect timing to show me how to get it done. Legitimately, Corner One, drives through this guy,

knocks the nose, a hole in the nose, hole in the hood, and is then bitching out the guy in front of us. I'm like, dude, you just ran into him. I thought we were saving. We were saving, you know, saving tires.

And we literally get through the gears. and then it's like, all right, guys, if you could get a chance, can you walk down to the front stretch, check the nose? We just hit something. He just wanted to make you feel right at home. I'm just loving the crossover we have at Spirely. Everybody's just been everywhere. You worked with Matt.

Jeff Dickerson was Matt's agent at some point. Luke and Matt and Sparks all worked together at different race teams. You spotted, wait, so hold on. Did you spot with Matt for the late malls when you were spotting for him? with Murray. Okay, so that's the crossover. So you were Matt McCall's spotter obviously on Cup was Jamie McMurray and then Kirk Bush, right? So, okay, so he was racing the late model at that time. So that's why the timeline.

I thought it was further. Before that. I was like, wait, because I had always hurt Matt was badass, but like I, he must have came back and ran his races. Yeah, it wasn't like when he was in his prime model stuff. Like trying to, you know, go racing, racing, going to ask. When he wasn't doing full time. we want to do it out whole time. Okay, interesting. Yeah. All right, it's time for Ask Junior. I know I said that Carson Hosevar would be hosting the show,

but I like doing this part. This part's fun. So me and T.J. are here for your questions. Xfinity is waving the red flag on internet price hikes, and they're waving the green flag for savings. You get the speed and reliability that you need in your Wi-Fi locked in for one price in five years. It's a hell of a deal. No surprises, no late yellow. just straight to Victory Lane. We've got a winner, folks, and it's Xfinity. Imagine that. Let's get to your questions. One of the big questions a couple weekends ago we didn't get to is what was it like in

Victory Lane again with Nicole and getting in the car? Nicole, that was fun. We were at Pocono, and I went up to Justin before the race started. I told all the drivers this. I said, my girls are here if you win. I hope you'll try to win. Get us to Victory Lanes. The girls can enjoy that because I love giving them the operations.

to have those experiences. Justin said, if I win, they should go for a ride in the car. He's done this with his own girls. So I thought, I'll give it a shot. Yeah, we'll see what happens. I don't know if they'll get in there. So we win the race. Justin's pit is down at the end of pit road.

So we are running toward the flag stand where he's doing his burnout. We get about halfway there, and Ila says she doesn't love the smoke, doesn't want to go any further. And I grabbed Nicole's hand. come on Nicole, you want to go? And she's like, yeah. So we run up there and I get to the wall. And I said, okay, Nicole, you want to go over closer to the car?

And she says, yep. And so I'm all right. We'll go closer. So we get over to the car because I'm waiting on her to say, nope, don't like this. Yeah. Don't like it. Too loud. Too noisy.

Too hot. We get over to the car and Justin is perfect. And I've said this a million times, how good he is inside and out of the car. And this is what I'm talking about. we get over there and he kneels down and just gives her this perfect little fatherly talk of hey you want to ride in the car it's going to be fun you and your dad can get in there i'll do it won't be loud it won't be this it'll be fine you'll be safe yep and she's like yeah i do and so right in the middle of all the shit going on there him waving you know celebrating with the crowd and all that he stops gets down on a knee and has this little quick conversation conversation with her. And I'm like, all right, you wanting to do this for sure? She goes, yeah. And so I climb in the car. Well, the damn floorboard's burning up. Yeah. In Hollywood, he's standing there. He's like, Dale, it's hot. Keep careful. Go sit on it. And I'm like, well, I got her coming in here so I can't

get on my knees or whatever. So she's got to, I've got to sit down. So she's got somewhere to rest. So he takes his jacket off, his top. Yeah, it's fireproof top and puts it under my ass. And I sit on that. And then she'd come in there and sit down. And they gave us some. to check her flag and she's holding it and I'm holding her hand and make sure the flag don't go anywhere. And I'm like, all right, we're just going wave and woo, you know, we're just going to wave

and holler. And she waves and hollers all the way there to Victory Lane. She's, I'm listening, looking at her, she's, woo, yeah, all the way there. She had a blast. And the best part about this is yesterday

we were in my truck driving and she goes, hey, dad, you remember us riding in the car with that guy? And I said, Justin, she goes, yeah. In the race car, I'm like, yeah, I remember. She goes, I wasn't scared. Kind of makes me want to try to be a driver. Oh. And I was like, really?

She goes, kind of. I'm like, all right. Like, we need to tell your mother immediately. It was hilarious. Yeah, because Ila's always been kind of the opposite, hasn't she? What's that? Isla's kind of the opposite.

Yeah. She does really... Isla doesn't want nothing to do with noises and loud stuff and fast, anything. Yeah, anything abrupt and aggressive. T.J. if you were able to take your kids to Victory Lane?

No, but I took him to the go-kart track one time. Stella actually loves to drive. She has no fear. She is nuts. Madeline's kind of like Isle. she just said it's not really for me but stella is the one that um she has no fear gotcha next question fan wanted to know uh what was the the free agency like for you dale when you're trying to decide between where to go hendrick jr jrmns it was awesome um back then there were a couple really good

options on the table and so i could talk i talked to richard childeris about the three i talked to joe gibbs a lot about the 18 and um and obviously you know talked a lot to Rick uh and I wanted to go drive for Rick really bad I felt like Hendrick I don't know you know there's a family connection there my grandfather worked there at Rick's forever they were very close um Rick treated me like family and um and I'm glad I made that decision I always wonder what it would have been like be to go to Joe Gibbs and race there. And the connection to Washington was a big deal for me. You had some emotional polls for you.

Yeah, yeah. I couldn't go to Richards to do the three. And I didn't want to go to Richards and do any other number. Yeah. And I just felt like that that was just setting myself up and him and everybody up for, it was never going to be good enough, no matter how much. success we had. That was just been a real challenge. And so, yeah, I'll always wonder what it might have been like to race with Joe and his family. They're very loyal to their drivers. And I felt like

I would have been well taken care of. But I'm glad I made the decision I made. Rick was equally loyal. There was some years, they're very, very down years where I think a lot of drivers would have been let go there he hung on to me and we fought to find a good balance and a package or setup that worked and we finally did with a tart and um me and Steve we talk about it all the time you know that little run that we had and how how good we had gotten as a team and we're very proud of it what was it like you hear sometimes a free agency like clandine like meetings with teams or whatever was it very like hush, hush when you're going to meet with a team. Oh, yeah.

Super duper. Yeah, I went all the way to Washington to meet with Joe. And we were at Dan Snyder's house. Joe wanted us to meet there. And I guess they thought that the Washington, at the time, Washington Redskins connection was a big plus in the negotiation. and we walked into this house. It was awesome, really intimidating, honestly,

hard to think about racing and working with Joe. And in that environment, it was hard to, like, think about what racing at Joe Gibbs would be like. And Joe gave us a term sheet, and the numbers on that made me physically nauseous. because it was so big. Like I had been racing with DEI for a long time under a very modest contract, which I knew was way undervalued comparable to what we were doing and what others were doing. And when I saw what the value was out there for me,

and that was the first time, I think the first time I got a term sheet was through Joe Gibbs. It was insane. I was like, holy shit, Kelly. I said, we got to go home. I was like, we got to go home. We got to go home. Like, I don't know what Rick's going to put in front of me. But I'm ready to leave.

Like, it didn't make me not want to do it. It just made me want to go home and sit down and get somewhere safe and get back in your home place. Calm down. Yeah. And then go and look at, I mean, you know, it was just me and Kelly doing this together. We had nobody else. Which is wild when you think about it nowadays. And so it's me and Kelly, and I'm like, I'm looking at her going,

holy, you believe what they want to give us? And she's sitting there going, she's got a business mind. And she's like, absolutely. I think this is a fair. I'm like, fair. Holy moly, this is like life altering. And I wanted to leave. So I said to Kelly, I was like, don't you think we need to go home

and sort of think about this? and I still want to meet with Rick and still want to go through this process and she's like, absolutely, yes, we're going to do that. I think we'll go out there and we'll tell them this is awesome. We want to go home and think about it. We've got a few other things to consider. So we walk out of the room

and we go over to this living room area where Dan and Joe and all them are at. And we said that very thing. And Dan Snyder said, you're not leaving here without signing that. He's like, you're going to sign that tonight. and Dan Snyder started throwing all kinds of other things into it, the pot ownership of this business and stock in this and stakes in this.

And I'm like, hey, stop, stop. I was like, I can't sign this. I need to think about this. This is a massive, what you've put in front of me is so overwhelming that I have to think about it. I've got to take a couple days. And Joe was like, I understand, no problem. and I was like, I'm so thankful, but I'm just in shock. So, yeah, that was the first, that was the first meeting.

We never had a sit down full that I remember. We never, that I recall, we never had a real full set down pitch with Richard and the three. And then I went to see Rick. And he tried to give me a term sheet. And I said, don't, you know that to me. I was like, I don't even want to see it. I was like, you and Kelly discuss the numbers, and y'all,

um, y'all can handle it. I don't even want to look at that. I don't even want to know what you're going to pay me. I said, I won't paint inside skirts. I want, I want,

you know, I want my car to look badass. I know your cars will be fast. I'm going to have fun driving them. I want them to look cool. You're, you're going to pay me a shit of money that I probably don't deserve. And if it's anything like what they pitched me at Joe Gibbs, it'll be enough.

So as long as they pretty much met that, you were going to go to Hendrick. And did you ever give Joe a chance to... No. Could have got more. I don't think I would have been... I would have not been comfortable asking for more. That's an interesting story. Speaking of that, someone asked, did you get a John Riggins card this weekend?

Yes. I did. Or last weekend at Pocono? At Pocono, I got a card from a fan. And, dude, he told me his name. I'm so apologetic. Mike? It might, let's say it was Mike.

He gave me a, it's a $35 card, but I mean, listen, it doesn't matter. I am a massive Washington fan. So this card might as, it could have been worth a thousand bucks. It doesn't matter. To me, it's, it's amazing. it's a Joe Gibbs I'm sorry it's a John Riggins

modern John Riggins numbered like orange refractor some bullshacker because there's a thousand of them but it's a badass car PSA 10 and throw that

right in my collection you know it T.J what's a card that doesn't value wise isn't much but you either want or have same thing any any Buffalo Bills players honestly Is there like, is there one that's like, like, obviously Josh Allen, but is there like a Buffalo Bill's player that like.

Yeah. I mean, any, anytime you see like a Jim Kelly or a Thurman Thomas, like those were heroes to me when when I was young, kind of like him with John Riggins. Like those were like, you know, the guys. I think both Riggins and Thomas, I think are underrated players. Andre Reid would have been another one. Yeah. Those are fun. Those are awesome players.

Yes. Another question. Person wants to know, what is your go-to game? candy bar. Like I'm a Snickers, P1. Right now it's probably the, uh, the Hershey bars that are Oreo cookie. Oh, those are good. So I like them a lot. Oh, man. Dude, I'm glad you asked this question. I am. So I was going to save, I was going to run this on, uh, bless your heart, but we went to Hershey Park during the Pocono weekend and, uh, had a great time. But I got of no, man.

You know, we give Hershey, we pick and joke about Hershey and how much fun we have at the theme park. But I wonder why it feels to me like Mr. Goodbar. When we're talking about candy bars, I think the Mr. Goodbar, candy bar, is a top three of all time. and I don't know why. I feel like it's suppressed a little bit

because it's not top three. What is it? I don't anything ever have on. It's peanuts and chocolate bar. Yeah. It's good. It is. I would go Snickers Twix crunch bar. Crunch. Over.

Really? Good. Yeah. All right. So let's think about it. Let's just, I appreciate your opinion and I share. There are some good candy bars out there. let's stay in, let's just go into the Hershey family, okay?

Just the Hershey family. When you get that assorted bag with Hershey's crackle and which ones are you eating out of there first? The crackle, the regular crunch ones. Not the Mr. Goodbar? No. No. Wow. A good bar is good.

Yeah. I feel like it's better than good and I feel like that Hershey doesn't. Well, it would be a great bar then. Well, I feel like. I go with the crunch first, man. Crunches are just classic. I feel like that Hershey isn't maximizing its potential. I think they know what they're doing.

They've been around long enough. One of them has to be the sleeper. It's underrated. I'll give you that. I don't think they want it outperforming the mothership. Yeah, you can't have it. And it could, and it would, and it should. I don't know.

I think it's different now. It's just peanut allergies. That's what I was going to say, man. There's so many peanut allergies nowadays, and it's just... Just because your daughter has a penit allergy. It's not just mine. It's a lot. I know, but dude, I mean...

But that's why. Yeah. Well, there's peanuts in a lot of candy bars. Some that you mentioned. Snickers. Yeah. Is that holding the Snickers back? But Snickers isn't just a chocolate bar and like little peanuts.

Oh, wait, but you can still have a reaction to it, regardless of how many peanuts are in there. But it's so good that it's able to overcome the penitology. Their logic is flawed because you've just mentioned candy bars you like that have peanuts in them. But there's... But how it's made. is able to overcome the peanut allergies. Like, that's just not...

A Snickers bar is made better. It's got more than just chocolate and peanuts. And the peanuts are better. I don't know what he's trying to say. Can your girl eat the... Can your girl eat the Snickers? She's going to avoid that as well, I'm sure. Yep.

Yeah. Doesn't seem to hurt their ranking. Because it's better, though, so it's able to overcome it. All right. I like the Mr. Goodbar. I think a lot of people do. I think that it is... is underrated and doesn't get the

credit it deserves for being as good as it is. And it probably never will. And it probably never will because I don't think Hershey's needs it to kick ass. I just think there's... God, it's good. I do think he's got things against it now, though. Like, the peanut a lot of peanuts in a lot of candy bars.

Yes, but... Yes, but it's never going to top anything because it's just straight up peanuts. People are going to be like, oh, it's got peanuts in it for sure. Can she eat Reese cups? No. No. All right.

I mean, but Reese's is kicking ass. But it's not, it's how it's made. No. Yes. Dude, he just told you she cannot eat them. No, I know. I know that if you have peanut allergy, you can't eat this. What I'm saying.

Well, he says that's a big factor. But it is, but some things are able to overcome peanut allergies because of how it's made. And it's, they're not the same. You think it's made differently so it succeeds? No, no, I'm not talking about. No, no, I'm saying you, what's wrong with how the good bar is made? It's made just fine. But it's not as good as Eresis.

Why not? It's not. It's just not. It's definitely not. Because I think it's as good. I don't think it's as good. You can also, there's substitutes for the peanut butter cookies. I want to hear from Mr. Goodbar fans out there.

They substitute that sun butter stuff. Yeah. Like you can substitute some butter for like if you make or bit like, I don't know, you can substitute stuff to get similar to that. They don't do it from Mr. Goodbar. All right. Honestly, I kind of forgot. Mr. Goodbar was existing.

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I can't actually bet on the races, obviously, but we can talk about it and who we think will do well. This week we go to Sonoma. Obviously, sort of same contenders we have, you know, every week at the roadcourses. Same heavy hitters. Same heavy hitters. Who's your pick?

Who looks good? other than the 77. What about the 71? Can I say the 71? Yeah, I mean, he does look good. I mean, I think he has the best average finish at Sonoma. Yeah, he does really good on Roan Forces. He does really good.

The Sonoma is probably one of his best places. So they're Super Bowl. It's true. Like this is the, like, you know, like ours is probably Atlanta, like where I'm most excited going into it. Yeah. Michaels is probably Sonoma, where he's most excited. So pretty good weekend at San Diego. Not the best, not what they wanted, but a good week. weekend for points, so they're trying to get

theirself in the chase. They need to dig out of the hole. So like, I mean, if you're going to come to a race where you're going to dig out a hole, this would be one. Yeah. SVG obviously is going to be tough. He obviously, I think, was expected to win everywhere on the reverse.

Well, last week, especially. The way everybody was saying that he was going to win and, you know, the question wasn't, if he was going to win, it was just how margin. I was like, oh, he's getting wrecked. Like, at some point, something's going to happen. It's going to be similar to Chicago when he went there the second time.

Everybody's like, oh, he's just going to dominate. Which he was super fast, but at some point you get stuck in traffic. It's just, like the universe is going to universe. Cars change. The interesting thing, though, is that he was getting passed early in the race. It wasn't like he was dominated. Got him. Yeah, got him.

Got him for one corner. And it wasn't like... He was saving so much tire, though. But I don't know how good his car was. Yeah, like, I don't, like, even if he was in the race, I don't think he was a guaranteed a win. Yeah. No, I don't, I don't think so.

Everyone was lined up saving, and we were saving just as much as he was, and we were backing up and, like, Blanian, if you guys were going forward. So I think... I don't think his car was great. Now, I think as the track rubbered up at the end, his car would have shined. Which Sonoma's going to be that way. But with how much tireware we had at the start, his car was vulnerable. Yeah, I agree.

And Sonoma ever want to be pretty much on even playing. Phil. Yeah, versus San Diego. Yeah, it's going to be, you know, they're going to have a good balance. They're going to have a good setup. You know, it's not going to be a, like, I felt like at San Diego, you might see some contenders kind of come out of the deal or, you know, kind of rise or whatever, or some contenders get thrown out of it.

It was more or so not who hits on the setup. It was more about who doesn't miss. Yeah. Because I thought it was just going to be a bigger swing of just who missed versus like, oh, they're a little better here. Like, you weren't going to be able to see that too much. Yeah. And make the difference, but you were going to be like, oh, they're terrible.

Yeah. Like, he's not even relevant to it. You know, X driver is not relevant. Yeah. I hope, for somebody I hope is not good just because where he is in points is Busher, but he's super good at Sonoma. But for, you know, considering he's seventh and we're ninth, I'm hoping he is not as fast as he normally is.

What do you think your chances are to have a solid day? I mean, based after San Diego, I feel a little better for sure. And, you know, Michael has really fast callers at Sonoma. So, like, I'll have a good data point. Daniel's one at Sonoma. So they're super good, too. Or I imagine they're going to be. Do you sit down and talk to them or pick their brain?

No, no, I don't. But, like, our crew chiefs do. Like, they work really, really closely together. I don't know. I'm weird, obviously. But, like, I don't even watch other people. in cars. I watch my own. That's it. Like, I think Dale asked me, Saturday, he's like,

yeah, you know, what do you think of SVG's in cars? I've been watched a single lap of his in car. I don't know. Like, if I was slow, I would probably watch it, but like, if I'm fast, like, I'm just going to watch my own and I'll just be a self-critic of myself. Yeah. Because, like, I just know, I can get

into the zone of what my car feels like and everything. Like, I don't know what he feels like. I don't know, I don't, like, I'm more so just reminding myself of what I had and, like, being like, all right, I remember feeling like this. And, oh, I thought it looked better, but I could have got further left or whatever.

Yeah. So, yeah, I don't know. I look at, you know, as Tyler can attest, he sends me way more data than I ever look at. Is there another driver that we should just be, like, thinking about for, uh, for Sonoma? I, I got two already.

Tyler, as far as who's going to be good or who we don't want to be good? Who's going to be good? I feel like Larson's a question. question mark like like he probably could be good yeah he was good it could be good that's what I mean yep the nine nine could be good

yeah I would say I would say Larson's probably likely to be fast for sure yeah I mean he was up there on Sunday I think Redick will be obviously fast I think he'll be Toyota's yeah other than the Toyota's probably the nine to five 71 yeah so so line up

basically all the Toyotas the 17 well now it'll be interesting though see what the 20 does. Oh, if they're going to have him race? Yeah, if they're going to have a switch again, because that'll... Yeah. Last week didn't go good.

No, poor guy. So he just money shifted? Is that what happened? Double down shift? Off of data, yes. Off of that. And in the end car, it sounded like about 10,000, 11,000 RPM for a couple seconds before it hang grenade.

That's brutal. Yeah, bad deal. Bruele. But I feel like for Christopher Sonoma's probably a little leisure. I don't know, a broken leg. How many? A little different than a broken wrist. How many points is he ahead of six or 17th?

Like, what's he above the cut? So he is 422 versus 362 and Shane's 17th. So like you're looking at like potentially a, not a max points, but like a win bonus for Shane. Get close time. That's getting tight. Yeah. But Shane's got a, his playoff chances just took a big hit. No, I know, but still, like, I mean, but still, like, I mean, Christopher's going to be good, but like, you got to think, like, you're going to start going to race tracks like indie, like where you're throwing massive blocks down a straightway.

He's, Christopher's not going to be able to throw blocks, like, that quick, I don't think, one-handed. You would know more than me about. No, I know, but, like, blocking or driving? No, just, I'm saying, no. Yeah, blocking. Not even trying to make the joke I'm saying in terms of driving. No, but I know, but like, ah, that'd be difficult. I know at Pocodo he said he's like I threw a block on him once and he never even considered it.

And like I went back and like I realized like yeah, he said he's just like, yeah, I can't turn left that fast. I can't I can't just change direction. So I was like, dang, I took it. Sorry, sorry Christopher. Took advantage of a poor guy with broken wrist. Dude, he was, he, he, does he like road course racing? Christopher? Yeah.

I don't know. because he was so excited free race. He was so pumped. Like, I don't know if he just was, like, pumped to, like, leave early or something. But he was, like, super excited. Yeah. Unless maybe he thought Brent was going to win the race and, like, get him a lot of points.

But, like, I think we all were like, dude, like, what's, like, you're right? Like, you've never been so personal. Like, you're so excited. This is Sunday morning. Yeah. No, this was on the, like, trolley, like, the little tram. Like, you know, all the drivers are around. And even I, like, asked Christopher, I was like, dude, are you.

you like like you know they hit you with like some pain killers he was getting out of the car at that point yeah he was like

yeah I'm getting out 20 laps or less yeah first caution first caution they knew maybe he's happy for Brent

to get the opportunity I think you know he's yeah for sure he's a genuine person no he is he is actually like

super like like loyal like type of person and everything so and you know Brett being a dirt guy like yeah there's there's a really good shot

that he was just super excited for Brett and that he felt like Brett was going to do a really good job for him. So he's like, I get out. You know, this is perfect. Maybe best of both worlds. More points than he thought he was going to get. That's what I mean. Like, well, definitely more points than.

Yeah. Broke wrist. Well, I don't know more points, you know, with the engine failure. But like, definitely more points than he would have done with a broken wrist. Yeah. For sure. I mean, I remember when I broke my ankle and Daniel filled in for me and Daniel finished seven, I was freaking pumped.

Yeah. I was like, yes, dude. He got me. I like gained points on the day. I was like, yes, like that's awesome.

And that was right before Sonoma. No, yes. No. So I broke my ankle. I qualified on the pole. I backed in the fence,

but I still qualified on the pole. At Sonoma. At Sonoma. At Sonoma. And trucks. Six-tenths, spash in the field. Got them.

But Daniel filled in for me because NASCAR was not going to let me do the race. They're like, you can do 10 laps and then swap. So I swapped out. Did everything.

And Swaras? Yes, Swares filled in because the trackhouse relationship. Yeah, So I spotted for him. I didn't even realize that.

Because I was spotting for you. Yeah, you did. I didn't even think about Daniel filling in for you that time. You did. I forgot who did that. And Frankie was the second spotter that day. Little did we know. No, I know.

I know. I know. I'm going to have a conversation about that. No, I know. But Frankie was the second spotter. Okay. Yep. And you were spotting.

And so we were all in the game here. And Swaras filled in. And Swaras drove forward throughout the race because the truck race, you know, cup guy, not that hard for him. Drives through the field. Finish the seventh. And I was pumped. I was like,

good points day. You know, it cost me zero effort and I gain points on the damson. Yeah, easy shoot. This ain't, this ain't that tough.

You just, you get a cup guy to fill in for you and you gain points. Like, this is not that hard. Just don't ask, Amarol about it. Poor guy.

Poor guy. First career win. I know. Yeah. No, we talked about that because it's still, like,

just our group of just like, just weird NASCAR stuff. Yeah. And it's just like, Amarol's first win. Didn't get to do it. Milwaukee. Oh, poor guy.

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Yeah, we would never rig it. I would never figure out a way to, you know, rig a, you know, memorabilia collection deal and have a winner be my diecast. It doesn't have to be, die cast, if they've been the door panels or anything. Anyway, or since 2810, best of my diegast. So, yeah, if you have any host of our stuff, send that in, you'll get, it's like a fast pass to maybe win. Yeah, no, it should be. It's just like Disney. I was just saying, just like Disney.

Tyler's obsessed with Disney. He's a Disney adult. Everybody didn't know? Two girls. Oh, you've got kids. That's okay. No, no. Do not use that. No, do not use that. Do not use that. I mean, I still have a good time. Do not use that excuse. Do not use that excuse.

You would go on your own. No, you kind of have because do you take the girls when you run? Yes, they go. Okay. Yeah, that's fair. We all go. It's a family thing. It starts a family thing, but I'm not saying if we were down there, like, and we could sneak away. My wife might be really mad at me for going. But, you know, if you want to go ride a guard for the galaxy or something, we could do it. She loves Disney.

Yeah. She loves Disney World. So I could say that. I could make funny. I'm not even making funnier. I'm just more saying, you know. You'd go with me is what you're saying. No, I'm just insane.

Embrace it. Do not be a closeted Disney. I mean, I'm not wearing the Mickey ears or the tails or anything, but I'm there wearing my Mickey shirt. Yeah. So that's what I mean. When you're a Disney adult, I feel like that's a bad, you get a bad rep. A crazy Disney adult is the, you know, face painting and then, you know, wearing the Mickey ears and, you know, doing everything

aggressively. Yeah. Just going and just embracing your childhood. Yeah. Yeah. Chiros. Wait, Chiros. Yeah. Like in San Antonio. What? This is another movie reference. No, that's a Charles Barkley reference. I don't know that one either.

Travis, have you seen that? You heard that one? Yes. Yes, dude. Did churros? No. No, no. Oh, so, I don't. We'll talk about it. We'll talk about later. We'll talk about later. Okay. All right. Good. Chiros. Yeah. I got the... Disney, what you're talking about?

We don't want to mix. No. No, the shows are good. I do enjoy them. No, so I have a absolute, you know, gripe or, you know, I don't know, grudge against Disney. They took out lights, motor action at Hollywood Studios. The show? Please tell me you've seen it.

The stunt show. Yeah. Yeah, they stole that. They took that out for damn Star Wars. a multi-gazillion dollar industry. That's before we got into the Disney stuff. But you missed out. Dude, they had a Herbie.

And there was always a Truro's stand right next to Herbie. That'd have been a good one. It was awesome. Well, now they have Cars land. At least, I mean, it's not Herbie, but at least they have cars laying out Disney. They had, like, cars jumping and, like. Blowing up. Blowing up.

And, like, going... Universal had something like that. They had, like, cars getting jumped and, like, going on to other cars. And they had, like, it was literally, like, choreographed car drifting. Like Indiana Jones for cars. Yes. That's exactly what it was. And cars blowing up, but they had like guns and stuff,

and they were shooting each other and it was... And then they took it away for Star Wars. Three or four years old one that's going on, right? So I 100% would cheat the hell out of this system. So they would always have a kid get picked at the end of the show. And they would... In one of the stunt cars, they had a car where it wanted to look like it was remote control. Like so in the, you know, because Hollywood studios, they're pretty much going with a deal of like you're behind the scenes of like Hollywood, right?

Yeah. So you were basically watching like a car stunt show movie get played. Like they had a director. They had the whole thing. Yeah, Indiana Jones. Yeah, Indiana Jones. But, you know, for that, if people know. And so they had a driver on the side of the door.

And that's where he sat. So it looked like if you're on camera, there was nobody. On the side door? No, but like actually on the side of the door. like side of the door. Like he was not like visible if you weren't on the side he was on. Okay. Yeah.

He's hiding. So he was hiding. Yeah. And so they had, they would get a kid to be convinced that they drive the car via remote control, but secretly they have a guy just on the side of the car. Yeah. And so I always thought that was really fun.

So I figured out, because I had gone so many times, I figured out exactly where they picked the kid, like what section they would always go to. where, like, what you need to do. Oh, yeah. Full-blown rigging, this thing. One time I got picked twice in the same day,

and I had the show's t-shirt on. Like, and I would always play the part. I was like, I don't know what's about to happen at all. So what would you do when they picked you? So they would be like, all right, you know, come down where you from? And, you know, they'd be like, I'd be like, I'm Carson from Michigan. And they'd be like, all right, you know, hand clap for Carson from Michigan. Yay.

He's going to drive a real car with the remote control. And it's like, all right, you know, move it. Put your hand here and then move it forward. And then the car would move forward. And then, all right, back, back. And then they're like, all right. And now what you're going to do, now that you have the control is you're going to run it wide open. And then you're going to put it backwards, run it wide open to reverse.

And then you're going to, and then you can do whatever you want. So, you know, you'd then push it wide open. It'd go wide open, back. And then all of a sudden the car would start spinning. and it'd be like, oh, what's happening? And then it would reveal, like, there was actually a guy driving it. Not you. It was like, oh, he was never driving it.

But congratulations. So what did you do? What did I? No, I would like turn, did you just like go to the controller? No, I was just on the jumbo trow. No, I was just on the jumbo trow. No, I never exposed the show. I never exposed the show.

Ever. You know, part of me always felt bad after that I was like, man, I robbed a lot of kids of that opportunity. But I was like, man, I was, but I just, it was my favorite show. Did you go all the time? all the time. I went to that show every day. So before we wrap, though, we have one question.

I think that, well, the internet has one question. Okay. Okay. Where are we at with this? I'm a fan. I like your show. I enjoy it. What about it?

Everyone's been asking what's going on. You're firing off tweets. Do you know her age? Yes, I do know her age. I'm a fan. Yeah, I know. So I went, so I introduced myself and everything in the driver's and she was laughing.

She's like, man, you're like, by far the most confident guy here. It's like, yeah, probably, you know, whatever. And she's like, yeah, I was told you're the bad boy of NASCAR. I was like, who said that? She's like, I don't know. I was just told that's Carson. And he's the bad boy of NASCAR. And you got to talk to him.

I was like, well, you're talking. Yeah, here I am. Yeah. And so we started, you know, talking and whatever. And so we're done and everything. And she got me pretty good. So I, like, saw her. And so I, like, I walked over.

I was like, hey, I heard you're in the pace car. And she's like, yeah, what does that mean? I don't even know what that means. What's the pay? Like, what is that? And I was like, you know, you're serious? Like, you know, like, it's the car at the front. You know, you'll be.

And she's just like, yeah, I know what it is. Like, you know, whatever. And I was like, oh, okay. And I was like, well, I actually qualified up front. So I'll see you up there. And so then I rolled up next to her. And I rolled up next to her. and she started waving.

She had her phone out. She started blowing me kisses. I was like, yes. Yes, dude. Yes. And so we were waving and everything. And then I just like having fun after that, you know, the tweets and stuff. Yeah.

All right. I don't know. I just think it's funny when you do it like publicly. You know, everybody like, get a room. Get in the DMs. It's like, nah, that's weird. Then it's weird. I agree.

Yeah. It's a lot more funny. And, you know, it's funny to be flirtatious a wall. You know, I do it for the, the fun of the game. It scares me when it works. Sounds good. True. It's true. I do it for the love of the game. All right. Well, that's it. Thank you, Tyler, for filling in for TJ.

Yeah, I like this. I like this upgrade. Thanks. You're a lot more right on points and stuff. I will say, it's all circling back. My favorite thing about TJ is going back to Disney. his wife is our travel agent. Oh, yes. I can't talk too bad about TJ. Yeah, because they'll cancel our plans. But no, thank you to Dale, Dirty Moe Media.

Everybody for considering me to fill in for Dale. This is obviously I've been a fan of him for, you know, basically my whole life. So this is very cool. And, you know, thanks Tyler for being willing to step out of your comfort zone and talk for, you know, sometimes. I know you don't do that often. Maybe don't do that for a living. But, you know, I appreciate you coming on here. and being vulnerable and talking to the people and everything.

It was fun. Yeah, I appreciate it. Thanks, Travis. Thanks, everybody. Yeah, thanks, guys. Yeah, that's another wrap of this show. I'm sure there's an end card with Dale or something, or if not. Is there, Travis?

Yeah, there is. Perfect. All right, that's it for me. Okay. Thanks. Thanks again for Carson and Tyler for filling in and giving us a great show today. I hope you guys enjoyed that. Maybe it'll encourage Carson to drop in even more and take over some hosting duties

and give me an opportunity to take the fan. family on some more vacations. TJ and I will be back next week in the Arby's studio. Don't forget about Arby's new meat in three box. You get more meal for your money at Arby's. We have the meets. We'll see you tomorrow. Check out Dirtymo Media on Instagram,

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