The Dale Jr. Download - Dale's Dream, Fuel Saving & Fixing Overtime

Episode Date: June 10, 2025

Dale Earnhardt Jr. returns from an exciting weekend in Michigan for a new episode of Dirty Air. After an electrifying NASCAR Cup race on Sunday, Dale and his co-host TJ Majors had much to discuss:Dale has a bad dreamDefense has become an art formCarson Hocevar’s Michigan strategyHow does the rest of Spire Motorsports stack up?How will the Cup teams adapt their fuel strategy?A suggestion for Trucks/Xfinity Series overtimesRace winner Denny Hamlin joins the showDuring the Ask Jr. portion of the episode, listeners wanted to know about:Becoming Earnhardt season twoAn item of Dale Sr.’s that Dale Jr. wishes he hadPlus, Russell and Tampa Timms join for Dirty Mo Dough segment. Dirty Mo Media is launching a new e-commerce merch line! They’ve got some awesome Dale Jr. Download merch on the site. Visit shop.dirtymomedia.com to check out all the new stuff.And for more content check out our YouTube page: https://www.youtube.com/@DirtyMoMediaFanDuel disclaimer: Must be 21+ and present in select states (for Kansas, in affiliation with Kansas Star Casino) or 18+ and present in D.C. First online real money wager only. $5 first deposit required. Bonus issued as nonwithdrawable bonus bets which expire 7 days after receipt. Restrictions apply. See terms at sportsbook.fanduel.com. Gambling Problem? Call 1-800-GAMBLER or visit FanDuel.com/RG. Call 1-888-789-7777 or visit ccpg.org/chat in Connecticut, or visit mdgamblinghelp.org in Maryland. Hope is here. Visit GamblingHelpLineMA.org or call [phone] for 24/7 support in Massachusetts, or call 1-877-8HOPE-NY or text HOPENY in New York. Check out Dirty Mo Media on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@DirtyMoMedia  Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Should we only have an overtime attempt if the lead was contested? Maybe we all decided that, man, when the caution came out, if the lead was within one second, that would draw an overtime. If the lead was maybe more than that, by any means, a second to half to 20 seconds, the race is over. The leader was in clear control on the final lap. The following is a production of Dirty Mo Media. I'm still sour, man, that I wasn't your best man at your wet.

When will you start mentally, like, getting ready for the race? Can you not tell I'm mentally ready? Travis has some dumb ideas, but I agree with him on this one. It doesn't sound like you know what you're talking about. You haven't scratched the surface yet. I mean, what the fuck do you won't? I just think the last few laps, it was just like stop every time. You're picky.

This ain't walking in and have it your way, motherfucker. All right? This ain't Burger King. Travis is like, I'm wrapped us up. They all have no fun around you. Hey, everybody. It's Dale Jr.

back again for another episode of the Dale Jr. download, and we're in the Dirty Mo Media Studio. And I'm with my buddy, my co-host. Yeah. Yeah, I'm back. He's back.

It's been a while. Man, you don't know what a pain in the ass it is when you take a break because everybody's wondering, what's up, what you're doing? Where are you at? I know. Is he okay?

Everybody thought you was dying. but we all knew that you'd be back. I'm glad you're back. Yeah, it's been a, it's hard being away. You don't realize that until you've went through some of it, I'm sure. Well, you've had to take breaks in the past, so. But it's just hard to be away from whenever you do it every week to not be there and listen to things and see things when you're normally there.

I don't like it because when you're not busy spotting, you're, telling me all the shit that needs to be going on. I've only told you a little bit. I should have told you way more. I could have. Why? Why do you think I want to hear that? Well, I need to tell somebody.

Oh. So you're the lucky one. All right. I'm the lucky one. All right. Well, listen. Dude, me and Amy were talking on the, Bless Your Heart podcast about not remembering dreams.

Some people can remember all their dreams, right? They wake up and they're like, man. I don't either. I'm not a person that can really remember. I remember dreams. And I was like, yeah, I remember maybe about six dreams a year, right? That's a lot. Really?

I think so. That's low. That's low. That's low. So I'll, yeah, I wake up maybe every couple months and go, oh, man, what a wild dream. But I had a dream last night. Oh, did you remember it? Did you write it down?

Yes, it was scary. Oh, no. No, you were in it. TJ was back. Oh, gosh. Do you want to know what happened in this dream? It was pretty freaking scary. Yeah, I mean, if you remembered it, it must be pretty good.

There's bad news for you. Sounds like it's bad news for you if it was giving you bad dreams. Yeah, it was bad news for me. I woke up brokenhearted, man. I was sad. Oh, no. So this is what happened. I'm telling you.

I don't know what this all meant. means, but I was sitting here, Steve LaTart just texts me that he's filing a complaint to the racing insights guys. And I am too. I was just going to tell to Russell about it. But when he gets on the show, Adam Alexander says he co-signs the complaint. Oh, so the booth is coming after Russell. Double A.

We don't like change and things getting more difficult. I've been told that Russell made your life easier, though. He did, but then it turned right around and undid it all. Anyhow, dream that I had with TJ. So this dream was like a movie and there's parts of it that I don't remember, but the one part that I do remember, oh man, it's going to sound like I'm going to ramble because it was just a, you know how dreams are.

It's not like you don't have this like, it's not like you've watched the movie and I just tell you the whole thing. Yeah, it's not clear. Apparently on the property, I live on this property, kind of like we, we do now, but apparently on this property, there was a dam and it had steep banks down both sides, like steep. Like a dam. Like eight to ten stories down.

Yeah. Yeah, but usually on one side, it's full of water. So if you went off the side of the dam into the lake, you go into the water. If you go down to the other side, you go all the way you're out. Yeah. And my dad's farm had a dam like this. Oh, really? And I owned, I was riding on full wheelers one day.

This really happened. And I bumped my buddy and he lost control, went down that, down that. Oh, no. Luckily, he did not get hurt. That was stupidest thing ever. But his name is Walter Boss, and nicknamed is Monroe. And his uncle is Rick Bossed, who was my dad's first employee. Yeah.

So Munro will hear this and he'll remember that. Scared a shit out of me. And every time I think about it even today, it's terrifying. But anyways, I dreamed in my dream that, For some reason, there was a car that somebody's car broke. Somebody in our inner circle's car was broken and stuck on the property somewhere. I assumed, you know, Sonny or somebody was going to get it. I'm in the house with Amy and somebody comes in the house and they're like,

I told you Sonny should have gotten them tow chains. I told you Sonny should have gotten them toe chains. And I'm like, what, who are you talking about? shut up. Sonny's my dude. What's happened, right? And apparently you had tried to hook your car or truck or something that you had up to this car to pull it. Yeah. I don't know what the hell for, but you towed this thing across the dam and the something, the chain broke or whatever, and it pulled you in the car tumbling down that hill. Oh, okay. You were gone. Not dead.

Oh, that's bad. I, everybody that I talked to, so like now the next, so that has, I don't see you. I don't see you in the dream. I just, I just heard about me. Everybody's, everybody starts showing up. Everybody that we've ever known in our lives is showing up on the property. And they're all going, you know, everybody's got a little bit of information. Oh, he's, he might be paralyzed.

They don't know. He might be this. He might be that. and yeah so like I I woke up and was like holy that was intense and I'm glad it was not true well I will refrain from towing cars just to be safe you yeah so that's something too like I woke up this morning and my instinct was to call your wife and tell her hey tells you to TJ to be careful out there I don't know what that means I don't know if it's like I need to warn you It's like a final destination.

Yeah. I don't know, you know. I guess because, I don't know. I don't know why I had that kind of, why that happened. You know what's really weird is I was driving to the doctor yesterday and for some reason I passed a tow truck. And I was like, oh, man, what if I could do it? What if I could drive a tow truck one day? I really thought that yesterday morning.

Yeah, really. Don't. Yeah. So I'll just, that was, especially across any bridges or any dams. any kind of dams or anything that you could go over the side, don't. Okay. Wow. That's off the list.

No, no tow truck stuff going on. I don't, like, I don't believe, I've never had, I've never dreamed a dream and then later that, you know, that dream makes sense because of something to happen in real life. Right. So I don't like, think that you're in danger. But, um, if you had told me this was Hovis, I'd be like, yeah, probably could happen. Yeah, I don't know. Because Hovis has done a lot of stuff. It's a freaky dream.

Not the one, I mean, I usually, I like waking up and going, badass dream. I just rather, I like to go back to sleep, let that one keep going. Those are the ones I never remember. You ever had a dream and you've woken up enough to realize that you are awake and it was a dream? And then you're, but you're still asleep enough to go right back to sleep and the dream continue? I did that about a month ago. Yeah. I did that.

You ever sleepwalk? Probably years ago. I've never sleep. do sometimes. You still do? Yeah. Oh, really? Like,

I'll get up, walk onto my living room, and then, like, it'll hit me, like, I'm awake. Like, what am I doing?

And then go back to bed. Our little girls will get up and go downstairs and get a blanket and bring it back up to their bed. And they are like, I didn't go downstairs. I don't remember that. You know, it's like,

I think it's a lot of kids, it's very common for kids to, I think, have night terrors or walk around. They call them night terrors. Some of them are very scary. Like, they're upset.

And they don't even know what they're doing. Some night terrors aren't, I guess some people say some night terrors, they're just kind of wandering around. You don't wake them up, man, they'll freak out. Yeah, you can tell when they're half asleep still, and they're not really, they're not, like, really comprehending what you're telling. It's scary, but hilarious. It is.

Do you ever get confused on where you're sleeping? Like, if you've been traveling or vacationing someone, you go back home? Yeah. You wake up in the morning, you're like, oh, I don't remember. Like last night, yeah. It's kind of had that a little bit this morning. And after Michigan, I went straight to where the girls were there on vacation at the coast of Carolina. And then last night I flew home and I went to bed and I woke up this morning.

I was like, oh, you know, I'm home, you know, all alone. And I had a bad dream. It is really weird when it's super quiet at your house too. Couldn't get a hug from Amy. It's okay. T.J. is okay. It's not real. It is, like, is it not weird waking up in your house being real quiet?

TJ. I'll be okay. Why did you just call TJ? Yeah, I shouldn't. She just called me. Well, it's kind of one of those weird things. You're 50 years old. You call your buddy and go, man, I had a bad dream.

Wait, but you're going to call his wife? Well, I was going to call her and tell her to just, hey, man, tell TJ to be cool out there. Yeah. Drive safe in. Hey, no dams, no tow trucks today, okay? A woman would have empathy and say, all right i get it you had a bad dream you're worried about your buddy yeah i would uh i would have been if you'd ask yeah it would have been like it's that hell's his probably yeah so you're right today

i mean that's probably weird this is a weird way to throw me off my game because i we're gonna have play the national championship yeah this this is an odd way to to get me confused this is an odd way to confuse me this is an odd way to confuse me that is definitely um definitely would have been odd me and tj play in the national championship again you you you're you're not you you're not way to confuse me you The Charlotte 49ers versus the Michigan Wolverines. Yep. All right. Looking forward to it.

Y'all, I want to talk about the race, man. Yeah, let's talk about racing. Michigan. The Michigan race was awesome. Michigan race had all the things. Really solid racing, a lot of great battles. Fuel strategy that was even exciting. Where do you even start?

But Michigan, I see it in here in your notes, what makes Michigan an underrated track. It's not really an underrated track. Michigan is a track you go to and you're like, I don't have a clue what we're going to get here. You might get the race that we had this weekend or you might get one where a guy runs away and, man, there's not much action. Yeah, that's happened many times before.

Oh, yeah. It can turn into a fuel mileage race that is extremely tough to make interesting. It's my belief As it's my belief that every race is interesting You just got to work at it More than you know with some more than others There are some tough ones Martin Trex Jr. at Kentucky 17 second lead or something just killed all night

It was so it was like holy crap Charlotte I think it's my first year As a broadcaster And I'm like damn this is a tough one But We um You know luckily we had a really, really strong race right from the get-go.

The restarts at Michigan are always going to be fun. You're always going to have somebody taking it three wide down into turn one. You're always going to have somebody having a problem off of turn two. They're in the wrong line. They get bottled up. You're always going to have that same person defending down the back straight away. Somebody's going to go into three and get in bad air and make a mistake and slip up the track. There's just always a ton of things to talk about.

That's always going to happen. And the racing and the cars, like, you know, talking to a driver or two after the race, they're like, yeah, it's pretty fun. But you can still see them. They're miserable in traffic. They are, yeah. And when we go back to like 20th to 30th, they're just trying to not get in somebody's wake. They're not really like, oh, I'm going to attack this. Yeah, I'm going to take a move.

I'm going to attack this corner. I'm going to run high here. I'm going to create some speed and pass this guy. They're just like, I'm going in the corner and I'm going to try to find the one lanes everybody's not using. That's exactly what it is. That's it. Yeah. And, you know, and there'll be one or two guys that end up making the wrong decision and being, and they're in the wake of the car in front of them.

And they slide. And it might have been the right decision to start with. Somebody pulls in front of them, too. But that happens. You just sit there and you're ready for it. You're like, all right, here he goes in the corner. He's going to follow that car. He's going to lose all kinds of speed.

He's going to lose a couple spots. And that's what's, you know, that's the battle. something I've decided to lean into as a broadcaster and as a fan. The racing at the mile and a halfs, the racing at Michigan, you're going to leave that race and is everything perfect? Maybe, maybe not. But we're not changing anything about, you're not going to walk out of that racetrack after that race

and go, gosh, I can't wait until they're going to change this. And NASCAR's not leaving that racetrack going, oh, we're going to, we've got to work on it. So what I've decided to do is embrace a couple of things about the next-gen car that might not be my favorite thing about it, but it's here to stay, right? And that is how defending has become a strategy and a skill. We even rate the defense of a driver every week and average it to that driver's ability throughout the season. it is something that you have to be good at in this car. And what that is basically is driving and looking at that mirror.

And as you go into the corner, if you're leading the race or whatever, you want to control your position, you look in the mirror, you see where the other car chose to run, and you try to get in front of that car or a little bit, and you try to dirty the air up in front of that competitor behind you.

That's defending. That's blocking, air blocking, arrow, blocking. There's a lot of names for it. But it is a skill and it is part of the strategy to being good at this race, at this style of racing. It is something you need to do to sustain track position throughout the day to give yourself the best opportunity at the best result at the end of the day. And it's something that we're going to talk about. And we're going to celebrate it when somebody's good at it. And so I don't, you know, there's two things that I've learned about the next-gen car in terms of dirty air.

And the air that goes around the next-gen car goes around it and stays tied to it really tight. So the wake of the older car was like a boat wake and came off in a V. And so if you were behind it, it was dirtier for a wider portion of the racetrack. Okay, and that's, so that was worse than what we have today. The next-gen car's wake is really narrow and it's more concentrated behind the car instead of coming off in a V or a wake. So if you offset one lane, you're in pretty good shape. You can get clean air to your car if you offset one lane either left or right of the car in front of you. The only thing, the thing that's bad about that is that that column of error that is behind the lead car is much dirtier than the old car.

It's denser and dirtier. And so directly behind somebody is far worse than it's ever been in the history of the sport. Yeah, it's bad. Now, if you go to a single lane racetrack, the racing is not as good because of that very thing. Martinsville, one lane, road courses, one lane. You know, all that starts to make really good sense. Wherever we're going to go somewhere and have a single lane racetrack, you're not going to be able to pass the car in front of you.

Bad air. You're not. You will not pass the car in front of you because the air is just too nasty. Wherever we go where you can offset, run a different groove, and still run a somewhat competitive time, we're going to have awesome racing like we had this weekend. So that's not changing. I don't think that that's something NASCAR is looking to adjust or change or make anything different.

So if it's here, if it's here, we love the sport, we're hanging around, we're going to do this job, we're going to be a part of this. I'm going to lean into that. I'm going to talk about that. I'm going to talk about, man, you know, this driver's trying, you know, this is what the drivers are trying to do. This is why it's frustrating. this is why, you know, for the guy out in front, it's awesome. I got this, I got a really good defense to everything going on behind me. We had, so that was, that was something that we're, you know,

we obviously have talked a lot about over the last several, several years with this car. And it's something that we're going to, you know, we're going to see more and more because all the drivers are knowing that, you know, that's got to be a tool in their toolbox. And some, you know, it's, you know, It's also, it also goes a bit, it also kind of goes a bit against the ethics or the code that several of them grew up on.

You don't really do, you don't really drive this way in, in the trucks or Xfinity. You can to a point, you can arrow block a little bit, but you kind of got to run the line that you need to run to make the best lap time. So when you get into this car, you to learn, you've got to really go to school to learn the arrow. Oh, it's a big thing. Yeah, for sure. Right. So like TJ, when you're tutoring, or not tutoring, but when you're working throughout the week with an Xfinity driver, veteran or rookie, it doesn't matter. You're telling them, y'all are going over different tools than you are with a cup car because of how different the arrow is, right?

The Xfinity car has the dirty air and the wake similar to the old car, right? It comes off in a V. It's kind of wide, and you've got to get really kind of way up the track or way down the track to really get that clean air. But you can kind of follow them because it's not too terribly nasty behind somebody. And so the defending there, we won't really, I won't really talk about, oh, man, you know, that Xfinity driver, great defending. No, yeah, the dirty air. You can use the, you can get to the back of another Xfini car and get them loose. Yeah, you can.

So that's a tool, an offensive tool. Yeah. So we won't, you know, that's something that we see a lot and we're seeing more and more become more important. That was very evident during the race at Michigan when somebody would drive down, you know, the following car would go down in the bottom of the corner and the guy out front would change his lane in the middle of the corner and drive across his nose and just kill the guy's speed. The guy would have as soon as the guy driving behind sees that person driving down the track and they're like, damn, he's going to try to block me. He's going to airblock me. He's going to put his wake in front of me. They already know they got to lift.

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at LionelRacing.com. Pretty exciting race, though. A lot of different players up front. Chase Elliott led some laps for all the Chase Elliott fans out there that are hoping that he'll get himself back to Victory Lane. Some team,

the fuel strategy ended up turning the field and churning the field. Yeah, a couple times. Yeah, several times. So there's a couple things here, the 77 car of Hosevar. He had more speed again. Three weeks in a row, they had race winning,

race winning speed, I would say. I don't know if he had race winning speed. Top three car. I would say definitely a top 10 car because he never really drove to the front, in my opinion. But not a lot of people did. A good car, really good car. They had another week where they had a chance to win the race. I can't really say, though, he had a chance to win.

That's what I'm saying. They didn't have the fuel. No, that's what I'm, that was my argument in our group chat. Like, I'm like, everyone's like, oh, host far out a shot of win. He didn't have a shot. He did he? He did not have a shot of winning. That's, that's my point.

If they ran long enough and the caution comes out and everybody's like, gosh, we can't, you know, enough laps left, we all got to come get tires. Then maybe he's got the track position and there's a chance to win. But if the race goes green, he didn't have. have the fuel. And he wasn't driving like he had the, like, well, he knew it. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. He was super aggressive leading the race because he, that was his play. Yeah. Do you like that strategy for them? No. No, I don't. Because I can't get to the finish. No, they were top 10 almost all day. You're throwing away a top 10. A big points day. A big points day. And if you get a late yellow

and you're running seventh and you get a good restart and there's a wreck in front of you're running top three. You have a shot at winning. Well, how's, how's, how's of our loss for 14 points to the bubble. So that's a tough one to Yeah I mean I'm not sure where would they Where they might have ended up if they didn't make that gamble But he's 18 out of the playoffs 18 points out of the playoffs currently Lost 14 to the bubble

So yeah I mean if they just kind of You know if they take the 10th or the 12th or the 8th place finish I think he's fifth to 10th easily On a normal day He didn't have the fuel to get to the finish Anybody With a top 15 or a top 20 car could have tried that strategy and led the race and looked just like him.

That's what I'm saying. I would expect that somebody from 20th to do that and shoot for the, you know. I'm just saying like he. He has speed. He don't need to do that. Yeah. In my opinion, but. Yeah.

But, hey. Made it exciting. He didn't. He had a solid day. He did have a solid day. And he didn't turn anybody. Yeah. We should celebrate that.

Yeah. One week. One week. We need a board. We need a board. One week without incident. Would you like to buy a square? I'm just kidding.

We're just joking. Listen. Hey, I got a question. When he had the flat tire, was there not like, were you not thinking like, is he going to spin out here? Like coming to. Dude. I thought so.

I was like, is he going to do it? I will, if you, so that's a great point, T.J. Carson Hosevar has a flat tire going down the back straightaway leading the race. Which I believe was self-inflicted. I'm standing air pressure. Or swerving as much as he was. with the, because he was swerving every straightaway. Oh, yeah, yeah, I didn't think about that.

He did, he did a lot of, yeah, he did try to break the draft a lot. You never know how that might have affected the tire, but. I know they're pretty fragile, and if you're close on air, that can't help it. But yeah, coming to pit road, I was like, he has the flat tire going down the back straightaway, and I'm standing in the booth, and I'm like, he's going to spin this. Same thing I thought. He's going to spin it out. I swore he's going to do it.

I did too. I thought he would get down toward the entrance to pit road and just do a little fun loop and get, you know, get backwards on pit road. Hit the edge of the grass or something. I don't know. It's just something.

Yep. And then they'd throw the yellow. Carson Hosevar, I would have bet. I would have felt like that that was a lock bet. Yeah. Minus 500. Yes.

Carson Hosevar drives it to pit road. I mean, straight up. Got to give him some credit. Yep. That's growth. Yeah, it is. I'll say the same thing. It's a sign of growth and maturity. Yeah. This is the same kid. You know, you think back to the things that, you know, he's decided to do on the racetrack back in the day or back in the last probably 24 months. Yeah. I was really surprised that he didn't try to sell spin on the pit road.

Those are the things that he needs to do, though, that to continue building everyone's trust in him to do the right thing. Does the garage, does that move gain respect with the driver? I don't think the drivers will take note. It doesn't hurt. But if he did do it on purpose, it would hurt his reputation with the drivers. I don't, yeah. Yeah, I mean, if he had spun it out,

it would have been like, yeah, go figure. Yeah. Go figure. But he brings it to pit road. And, yeah, that was a smart move. Smart move. I agree. I don't know.

I mean, I think a lot of guys in the field was spun thing out. Don't you? I mean, maybe just a couple? Yeah, it's less and less now. I mean, I don't see it. I don't think about it as much anymore. Yeah.

So. All right. So Hosevar continues to be competitive. And will that continue? Is this what we, you know, I don't have the answer for this today. I'm not asking you to answer it, but I'm saying, I'm just asking it out into the middle distance. is the 77 car running in the top five or even the top 10 every week

what we ought to expect going forward. Because, I mean, I wasn't paying that much attention. I don't know whether, I mean, I thought I was kind of watching Carson, but it just feels like these last three weeks, they've kind of lurched forward about 10 spots on average. I just think he's found a way to finish some. Yeah, I don't remember him running up in the top three. They're definitely probably a tier above where they would normally run.

Does he win this year? Oh, I feel like it could happen at any track. I don't, I don't know yet. I feel like he has the speed, but I don't know if he has the just the brain, the skill to put the whole race together yet. Yeah. So I, yeah. He needs to keep doing it.

He kind of proved to me at Nashville that he can't put a race together. He's sitting there running. That's a tough place. It is. And he ended up bringing it home, getting the result, right? Didn't wreck the car, trying too hard. I just feel like he's maturing, hopefully. I'm hopeful that he's maturing rapidly right here in front of us.

He is. He was also competitive in the truck race. Well, yeah. That's not surprised to me. Well, I'm just saying, like, I'm saying any, was fast in a late mile, whatever he gets in and goes. Oh,

he's a special talent. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. He, whatever he gets in, just fast. He's a special talent. Yeah.

That's for sure. I mean, there's not that many drivers that can do that. That get in a car that, and make it go better. So all of these drivers,

if I put a car on pit road and I say, yep, I think, you know, I think Joe Lugano can get in this car and he's going to run a 29 flat. I could put the top 25 drivers in the series in that car and they'll go out there and run a 29 flat.

All of them. They'll run that car as good as Joey. They can run that lap. All of them can do it. I'll put Larson in it and he'll run a 90 or an 89 or something like that and you'll go, yep, that's Larsson. He's a worldly talent. And you could put Hosevar in it,

and he might run that, you know, that 95. He's just that, he's that kind of guy that can get it in a car and get just a tick more. And there's not many that can do it. No. And that's what you need with these next-gen cars. Yeah. Like Kyle Bush, you know.

He used to be that way. He may still be that guy. We don't really know how all this equipment might be masking what Kyle's talent is today. But like Kyle Busch was one of those. guys if you you know the field can run a flat he's going to get in the same exact car and go out on the track and run an 85 nothing against the rest of the field they're all elite they are all you if you put all the Xfinity guys in that car they're going to run a 29 15 so why does um

why does McDowell not and Haley not run you know where host far is because I thought McDowell was going to go over there and be really competitive honestly um I feel like what you is what you get. I think what, do you think if you put McDowell in any other car that you get different results? I mean, I look at last year and we went,

McDowell was on the front row of, what, three, four, five races last year maybe and led a lot. And this year I just don't quite see that. I don't quite see him leading the laps that he did. It just wonders, it just makes me wonder if was like front row a better fit for McDowell?

Well, McDowell, I would say, that you could make the argument that McDowell got out of the A car at front row into the B car at Spire. But, you know, I'm having some conversations with some people in the know. Mike McDowell is somebody that at front row and now at Spire is hiring and picking out and handpicking and building not only his program but the other programs. He's the one that's, he's in the, he's in the conversations and the meetings around salaries and mechanic and this, this engineer, and he's out there looking for this guy and that guy and this team needs a hold of field and we got to improve in this spot.

And he's actively playing a role in helping the entire team, not just his, do that. Yeah, he's smart too. Right. And so apparently, yeah, Michael McDowell apparently was a massive role. played a massive role in building out that front row team to be able to get it as good as they did to where they could go and win a race at Indy on the road course, right, and be competitive and make the playoffs. And I remember writing notes in my phone about it's no longer like a, it's no longer a surprise

or shouldn't, should no longer act surprise when Michael McDowell runs in the top 10 because they got to where they were doing it quite regularly with their front road car. but he's got out of that program. He got into a Spire program that continues to change and evolve. Spire was a team that ran it as a business. And what I mean is they didn't go to the racetrack and say, man, we're going to go put everything we can in this car and try to go win.

They build a race car. They knew what they spent to get to the track. They knew exactly where they needed to run to be able to break even. And they would. they did it. They tried to do it. They're like, hey, man, we need to, and they would put Chastain

or other people in that car in the, in the Spire 77, and they'd say, hey, man, our goal today is to run 25th to 30th. So don't that up, right? And don't try harder and get it up. Like, our goal is to, is to run in that window.

Now, if everybody crashes out in front of us and we ended up third, awesome. But look, we've got to finish better than 30th. because if we don't we're losing money today. And so they ran it as a business and you, you know, you had, you didn't have great engines, you didn't have great race cars. Everything was, you know, secondhand, hand-me-down stuff.

Pick-crew, everything. Well, some of that's probably still a little true at Spire. Now, the next-gen changes things a little bit. But these teams at Hendrick Motorsports and Joe Gibbs Racing are siencing out these next-gen cars and like every single body panel is hand selected like we've looked at this body panel and it is just a tick better than this yeah this is the one you're going to get and so you got to imagine that as all that stuff trickles down the michael mcdowls of the world are we're going to the racetrack with a little bit here and a little bit there a thousandth here a thousandth there that's

just a little bit off right that he's racing he's got he's kind of racing and that matters it matters today when you stack all that stuff up with this car. You have to have it. So Michael McDowell, I think, can he get this program better? Hell yeah. Sure. All right. Are they where they want to be?

Probably not. Their host of ours pushing them, motivating them. He's out there running better. And that's a good motivator. I don't know how much better, though, that Michael McDowell can be. What about Justin Haley? Like last year around this time, He was becoming a pretty hot commodity because he had some time.

He was inside the top 10, you know, with cars that maybe shouldn't have been there. And, you know, I feel like at this time last year, he was kind of getting, you know, his, everyone was like, oh, Justin Hayle is running 9th. Justin Haley was a good free agent in this sport. You know, people were like, you know, I guess, you know, he drove for Rick Ware and did some pretty interesting, solid, yeah, really solid runs. Some pretty curious solid runs in that car. And he has leveraged that into this opportunity at Spire. But since he's been there, it's been awful. It has been, yeah.

It has been bad. I thought it was going to be better than. I did too. You know, they got Rodney Childers in there. And I'm sitting there thinking, damn, that's an awesome. I felt like that that had the potential to be the best Spire car. Yeah. And it has been the opposite.

it. Rodney got out of there. We'll never really know. Rodney's going to tell his side of the story. We'll never really know. Yeah, he's never going to say anything negative about anybody. No.

And the Spire guys aren't going to say anything bad about Rodney. We'll never know what really happened there. But I think that that derailed Haley a little bit. Anytime you have a crew chief change mid-season, it's not awesome. But, and it hasn't seemed to have made Haley's deal much different. I saw him flash a little bit at Michigan. You got some track position, but, you know, it just. Just didn't have that.

It doesn't have that same edge down. It doesn't look like. His cars don't seem like they can do what he needs them to do. Do you think they're putting all the emphasis on the 77? I what, that goes back to something I was kind of saying just a moment ago. Spire's been this team that's evolved and changed. They went from just running it as a business to now, at least with the 77,

racing to win, right? All right, man, go out there, run as hard as you won't take all the chances you need to take. Michael McDowell, it seems, has a little bit of that freedom as well. And I don't think that Justin Haley's being told not to go for it, but how much discrepancy, I guess, is it between that 77 and the 7? how similar are the parts and pieces.

Sure. I mean, the cars are very much the same. Everybody gets the same. But I'm telling you, these top teams, man, they're,

they got a, they got a favorite part, right? If you buy 10 A frames or 10 right rear quarter panels or 10 rockers, everything, all of them,

they're going to look at all of them and go, I think this is the best one out of a bunch, you know, and this is my least favorite one because it's got this, you know,

exactly. Yeah, for sure. You know, shapes just a little different. And the teams will tell you, you stack all that tiny stuff up and you're, you've got a, you got a small advantage, you know, you got a small advantage. Denny Hamlin ends up when in the race on fuel mileage. I mean, he had the best, one of the best cars, if not the best car. He did ever really.

He did have a bit, yeah. It wasn't like he, you know, just the 24 ran as hard as he could. You know, if the 24 has enough fuel, can he run harder? Can he be faster? Can he? Is he better than the 11? The 11 was good all weekend, had great speed in practice. Yeah, he was good.

And when he needed to turn it on at the end, it was pretty impressive. He did everything right. The strategy was right, the calls at the end, the position he was in. I was kind of surprised, though, that their fuel mileage was as good as it was comparable to the rest of the field. I think they got lucky. Why is that? So on their last pit stop, Joel, their tire changer, he missed it on the first try on the left rear, had to readjust the tire, and then made sure. So they gave him a beat.

So it gave him an extra beat to stay in. So I wonder if that helped him. I think their final pit stop was 11-8-4. Yeah, they came out. Oh, that's slow. That's slow for a stop. It was almost a second more than Byron. And Gibbs was like a 9.18.

Yeah, there you go. Yeah. Well, still made it work. It did. If you had told me at the halfway point, oh, Denny Hulman is going to win the race and he wins, I would not have been surprised. Yeah.

Like he was that fast. You could have said Byron, Denny, or you could have told me Chris Busher once, and I would not have been surprised if one of those three guys won the race. RFK had all their cars in the top 10, T.J. I had a guy on, so we had the post-race show. And toward the end of the post-race show, they ran the Busher interview, who ran second.

And some people complain that we should have ran that interview earlier in the post race. Fans are fine. They've got to complain about something. We've reached that point. We have. You know, it is great, it is great, it is great broadcasting or it is good coverage. But, yeah, I would have loved that Busher interview. There was one guy on social media that tried to tell me that there wasn't a Bushar interview in the post race.

Really? Y'all didn't interview second. Like, oh, he did. Yeah Busher's interview was just So Busher That the guy didn't even remember it

You guys made it two weeks Now you got complaints Busher Tell Busher to You can't That's Chris I know dude That's just Chris

Come on Can he not Have a little emotion I mean some guys He's got it in there Chris is just a quiet guy. God, he is.

But he's just... I like that about him. No, yeah, it's great. Except for when he's given a post-race interview after the grand second. Yeah. Can he give us a little bit more? What did you want for me? I'll ask you.

I'll ask you. I don't want him to be happy. I just want him to say more and like have some, give me some emotion of some sort. Yeah. I mean, that's just, that's just, that's just crazy. Busher was, uh, just a little too, Busher.

Yeah. I think that's great. That's him, man. That's not great. You know what it does? It makes the other guys. I like him. Yeah, no, he's a great dude.

Yeah. Yeah, he's a great dude. And honestly, he, like. He's also a race car driver. Sometimes he gets out and it's like he just, he just put, he just painted somebody's living room. It's like, yeah, we got that wall done. And we got that. Fed the chickens.

And, yeah, picked out of color and painted the room. And we're good. We're done. That's definitely things. then he's not going to say. I'm like, dude, you just drove a damn car, run second, and you're 20 points above the cut line,

and give me some emotion. Just tell me something, just anything. Oh, man. We have to ask him. It's like he just got done mowing the lawn. Yep, another day, finish second, go get a glass of sweet tea and feed the chickens. Exactly.

That's what I mean. I like it. I think it's cool. I don't know. It's just Chris, though. I mean, that's just him. Yeah, I know. He's one of a kind.

That's true. is honestly seeing him the last three, four years win. How many races do you want? Five, six races in the last four years? He's a talent. Yeah, he's come a long way. Hey, TJ, I like that phone. Is it new?

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But the reason why every race is a fuel mileage race is because the single lug wheel. It's quicker by far to put four tires on the car than it is to fill it full of fuel. So if it takes long to fill the car up full of fuel, you're going to try to do that as least as possible or spread that out over the many stops you're going to make during the day. So you don't need to take the entire full tank on several stops. You can come down pit road and just get what you. you need. And at the end of the race, you know, you, you, you finish the race really on very little, if any, gas at all. And so, yeah, I think that that's the world we're in now

because of the single lug wheel. And also the fact that the tires at a lot of places don't necessarily need to be changed. Yeah, the tires last too long. Tires are too good. They're not as important. Yeah. So if you... At some tracks. Yeah, they're trying to... Goodears said that they are, they can get more aggressive and they want to get more aggressive on the soft tire.

They just have reached the limit in, in how to get that tire softer with the physical technology they have. Like they're going to have to build new molds, new technology to be able to get that tire even softer. They're going to, but like... I haven't been here, so I was really disappointed after Nashville. They reached the limit on how, you know, soft they can make the tires with the tools they have.

I don't think fans can complain with what good year right now because they've been trying. Good year's doing it. Yeah. They're trying. They're always trying. I'm just saying until they can figure out a way to fuel the car faster than changing the tires, we're going to have lots of conversation around fuel. So what would you change?

Well, I mean, you've made the tire changing part last, what, nine seconds? Roughly. Yeah, average. Yeah. So how can you get the car to fuel faster? The fueling mechanism's got to change. And is that asking for, could get dangerous, could become dangerous, having a pressurized fuel system or something on pit road that's going to get that stuff in there quicker? I don't know. Right now it's just gravity fed, right? Yeah.

And so that would be a way, but, you know, that's probably something that NASCAR and the teams, don't want to travel down that road. Think about like IndyCar has those crazy systems. I wonder if you could somehow change just the fuel can itself so that it flows faster. Maybe, yeah, maybe. I mean, could you make the fuel can, the filler part a half inch bigger? I don't know if that would make a difference. Well, I'm just saying, like, is that, you know, not change the weight of the can, but change

I guess it wouldn't matter though You'd have to change the fuel The neck and all that Well that's just You know That's what we're up against And this You know

The single lug wheel As a driver it's nice Well What's wrong with fuel mileage race Is it a mile and a half so? I don't know I mean you don't want every single one To be a fuel mileage race

But sometimes But so I mean what about Do the stages mess that up? Do the stages make it fuel mileage race? Because if you just go to a natural caution, yeah, I don't know.

You know, I'm just saying, like, do the fuel, do the stages, the set, do the set times? Did they aid? Do they aid in it? Yeah, probably maybe. But I still feel like that you're going to run the race as a, as you would run road courses, right? If you, when we took the stages away from the road courses a couple years back, it, everybody just, you know, it got boring and dumb because everybody just ran

the races traditionally backwards, right? They do the fuel mileage backwards, and they start coming to pit road as soon as they can make it. And they're going to try to spend as little time as possible on pit road putting fuel in the car. So if we did, if we took the stages away at Michigan, as soon as you can get in the window to get home and make it, you're coming to pit road. And you're taking just as much fuel as you need. Nobody's going to pit in the last, you know, I don't know, 40 laps or so. So the fuel mileage conversation is now dominating almost every single event, except for, you know, like a Martinsville or a Rich or Bristol.

But even the big, you know, the big mile and a halfs like Charlotte and all them places, it's the fuel is, you know, working that fuel and making sure you're on pit road, the least amount of the strategy. Especially at the end of the race. Could you change the fuel cell to make it bigger to take, even longer to put more fuel in it. So you have more to start and no, you're only going to start with what you need.

I don't know. I mean, you wouldn't want a bigger fuel sale, I don't think. Really, they just gotten too good of change in the tires that that's what it's... Yeah, the... It's not the... It's not the... What you're saying is.

Also, something that I saw on social media. The overtime rule. Now, not so much in... This is not so much a cup thing, but in the Xfinity and the trucks. And I feel this as an Xfinity owner.

I think it might be time to have a conversation around overtime in those two classes, the trucks and Xfinity. And I saw this and I wish I would have tagged the person that brought this up. But it was really, really well articulated. And I had never thought about it like this. So in other sports, overtime is used to help decide. a game that the ending is in question, right? Both teams have ended regulation with the same score.

Should we apply a more specific similar framework to NASCAR races? Should we only have an overtime attempt if the lead was contested? And we could all sit down, have a long conversation around what a contested lead is. maybe you say maybe we all decided that man when the caution came out if the lead was within one second that would draw in overtime because we would then say well it was a contested lead there was a chance for second to do something in the final lap if the lead was maybe more than that by any means a second a half to 20 seconds the race is over the leader was in close clear control on the final lap and there should be no overtime because he or she was going

to win the race. And so that's something that I thought was a really healthy idea. And the reason why is because we as, you know, the truck teams and the Xfinity teams we go to some of these racetracks Dayton and Talladega specifically and destroy 80% of the field and a lot of times

we have unnecessary overtime that cost us a lot of a lot of race cars and all of these teams ours included is working on a budget and those type of events where you'll you'll have you're sitting there

you got a clean truck or a clean exfinity car, you're running 12th. You've had a long day. You've worked hard to get there. And then you have three or four overtimes for no damn reason or, you know, because somebody's, you know,

a bunch of, and you end up getting the damn body ripped off your car. You come home with an 18th or 20th place finish and all the panels are destroyed. That's unnecessary. It's frustrating. I think we need to, at least at those two levels,

It's not necessarily something that we have to do in Cup because you're hoping that they're the elite best drivers in the world. They wouldn't need this safety net. But maybe down in those two other series, we decide what is a contested lead? And if it's not contested, the caution comes out. Fans and us as an industry should embrace the idea that that race was over, right? I'm sorry that the caution flag is waving as the winner crosses the finish line,

but he or she was in clear control when that caution falls. Now, if it's, you know, if it's a tight battle for the front, then we would, it would trigger an overtime, right? And then we would, man, we could, you know, you could just carry on as the rules are today in that scenario. And if you tear a bunch of shit, you tear a bunch of shit, that's a risk you take, I suppose. I don't love unlimited overtimes.

I don't know what, you know, yeah. But the, yeah, I would just love, because sometimes, man, these races are pretty much decided and over with and we'll have a late yellow or something that draws an overtime. I don't know. Worth a conversation. Did you watch the truck race? Oh, yeah.

What were your thoughts about that? Truck race was, it was exciting. Yeah. I thought the truck race was. It looked fun. I was highly entertained watching it. Those guys could get runs. They could get,

I mean, it was just the trucks are, it was wild. I mean, I thought it was, I thought it was exciting. Those guys can manipulate air a lot of the other ways

than cup cars and they do it. Yeah. So. Ram is back in the truck series. Ram announced that it's going to return to the truck series. Competing, it competed from 1995 to 2006. That's a long run.

It is. Yeah. They had three manufacturer championships from 01, 03, and 04, two driver championships. They did not reveal which teams will support their program next year, but they should have multiple entries on the track in 2006. That's exciting. Yeah, it is. They want to go cup racing. They're not coming to the truck series.

Just to be there. Just to run truck. Yep. Yep. Be curious to see what, if anything, they do in the Xfinity series. I think the Xfinity series is going through an evolution anyways. They may pause on that to see kind of where the Xfinity series is in five years, right? What's its identity?

What even type of vehicles are we racing? So you're saying they could go from truck to cup. They might just do trucks and cup only. I would, I don't know. Who knows? It's exciting. I think it's cool they come back. Yeah.

I saw this note in here about Denny Hamlin three wins away from 60. And I'm not hating that conversation. He's got 57 wins at age 44. What other driver might get to that 60 win mark? Lugano is 35 years old and has 37 wins. Ligano, in my opinion, is the only one that could probably get there. Larson It's going to be tough

Yeah Larsson can do it The only thing is Larson and Joey Have to stay in Championship winning cars To get to that number Yeah, have to

That's the problem right If something happens And there's all kinds of There's new drivers coming in There's always the next best thing And the next greatest guy And as long as you don't become the B or the C driver, even the great team, right?

As long as Joey is in championship cars and Kyle Larson is in championship cars, which that sounds crazy to think they would never be, but you just never know what happens in five years or ten years. And, you know, Larson might not even want to race that long. I don't, you don't know. He might race until he's 60. Who knows? He might win 80 races.

but on that list, I don't know, it's hard to see. Denny had the perfect scenario to do this. I mean, he's been in top cars. Been with a great team since the beginning. And Larson came in his hand, I mean, he gave away. Larson missed some years. For sure. Yeah, driving to 42.

Yep. The other conversation that I like around Denning is how many more. Easy, Travis. How many more will he win? So I saw this, and we talked about this in the pre-race, post-race, during the race, I don't know. But another thing I saw on social media that I was like, damn, that's a cool stat. After 700 starts, Jeff Gordon won six races. After 700 starts, Harvick won seven.

Those are big names. Take Richard Petty off the list because he won 22. after 700 starts, but he was 38 or 39 when he made his 700 starts. So hell, I mean, you know, he was in the, you know, take him off the list. At the top of this list, most wins after 700 starts, it's Harvick was seven, Jeff Gordon was six, and then it's like threes and twos and ones. Then he just won. So he's got one after 700.

How many more does he win? Before that race at Michigan, I thought his, the over-euvre, under was six. The line was six wins. Like, could you imagine going into Michigan thinking Denny Hamlin's going to win only six races the rest of his life

at the cup level? That's crazy. But that's what the odds would say. Now, he's maybe moved that line to maybe eight or nine wins. Maybe 10 wins? I guess the guess is...

Since he won this weekend? How many years do you think he've races? The years don't matter. The years do not matter. One thing they do. No, they don't. Well, if he only races for one more year, he ain't going to get eight. Well, that's easy to say.

But you know he's going to run for another year. So he may ran. I mean, the guy may be looking at two years. But if he still wins three races, is he going to really retire? If he's still winning? You don't think he'll be lured to go drive for his own team for a little while? I think that's more of a chance. Yeah, he's just going to be like, oh, hell.

And winning's going to become harder. It's going to be harder when you go there. I'll run at least one year from us. He's going to, I think he has a plan in his mind when he thinks he's going to retire, but I think that he's going to find out when he gets to that doorstep, it's going to be harder to do than he thinks. But if Jeff Gordon 1-6 and Harvick-17, and they were on the higher end of the range, right?

They are the ones that won more than anyone else outside of Richard Petty. how many Denny exceeded the race to 60 right? Because he was in a great car he's still in a great car he still got an opportunity

to overachieve in these final years he feels like he's at the top of his game driving better than ever but could you imagine if he only wins five or six more races in his career that sounds wild

improbable right but that's what the matter would tell you. That's what the history would tell you. There's anomalies. There's people that break trans. He's certainly one of those guys. I mean, you had back in the day Bobby Allison, Harry Gantt guys winning races in their 50s. You know, Denny's got a lot of years left. If he goes through another drought, though, I mean, he went through a drought. What? When was it last year? He's had a couple droughts? He didn't win after April, was it? I don't know. It was a long time. Yeah. But if he goes to another drought like that, does that number go to five?

I don't know. He's still won three last year. Yeah. He's averaging, you know, roughly three a year, right? He's got three now. Yeah. But he's averaging around three a year. I think he can get to 63.

Six more wins? Yeah. So you think, yeah. Okay. So like, seriously, though, if he knew now, right this minute that he has six wins left, he's raced his whole life. He's won 60 races. you know, 57 race.

And he's sitting here right now, right out in front of him, is only six more trips to victory lane. That seems like a lot. Damn. That's a cold, hard truth. The end is near. The end is near, brother.

But I think he's aware of, I don't, maybe it's, I look at six more wins. Like, people are averaging only three or four, like a season anyways. Well, no, not many are averaging three or four. season. That's what I'm saying. So why is that cold? Because he's got 57

wins right now. Yeah. Because you don't And he only has six more roughly. Do you not know? Name an athlete that you were enamored with and you watched their whole career play out in your life time. In your lifetime. Denny Hamlin.

Think about guys like I think about I go right to football players like Joe Montana, Tom Brady, Peyton Manning, you were, you were, you remember when they played as a rookie and you remember their final game, right? And you had, you didn't have like an emotion when they were finally getting to that finish line and you're like, damn, man, I can't believe I've seen this whole person's career and now it's over. Yeah, I have that.

That's the thing I'm talking about. But I don't see why this reaction that, oh, he only has six more. Like, I don't look at it that way. I look at his, he's got six more. Like that's a, that's good. I don't know. I think it's tough emotionally for him. That's what I was saying. He would never admit it.

But if, I mean, anybody, anybody that's a competitor that's done this their whole life, that's known nothing else, to know that you're coming to the very few final moments like that. Six to 57 is not a lot. Well, I guess it depends. If he only races this year and next year, I think that's a good way to end your career, right? I don't feel like Denny would be,

I feel like Denny wants 10. Well, what, he did say that he's more bothered now by the races that get away because he knows they're, they're few and far between. Like he's harder to come by. He's more upset with, because I'm,

I was thinking about it the other day. He had a race somewhere where he, he should have won, he ran second or third. Nashville last year? No, it was recent. It was in the last year, it was the last four weeks or something.

And he said, oh, I'm really more bothered by that today than I would have been when I was in my 20s or 30s. And I was thinking, man, you've done so much. You've won all these races. Why would you get so bothered by having a race slip out of your fingertips and running third? And at this point in your career, you're, you should be satisfied, you know. But he's like already, he's like, he knows that like the chances, his chances of going to racetrack and literally having the race right there for the taking. he knows that that runway short. Boy, when you know you're getting toward the end, you do.

Celebrate those last couple like a person that would have just won their first race. Sure. Race. Yeah, you do, because you don't know. It's definitely something to think about. Do you think Denny races full-time for 23-11? You mentioned him wanting to race for his own team. Do you think full-time or like retiring part-time?

Yeah, I don't know. I think he finishes with Joe Gibbs. Yeah. I don't know. I think he wants to drive for himself. Well, I think he could do like a 500 or I don't think he was full time. I think a lot can change in 12, 24 months. We also don't, I mean, hell, we don't know the status of 2311 going forward to.

Yeah. I mean, if he has an all-star lineup with three guys or three teams and there's no room, but if there is a spot that opens up at the right time, I could see Denny doing it. Yeah, that's the other thing I think that we need to chat about just quickly is the ruling for the injunction. The 2311 and front row motorsports have taken NASCAR to court over the language and talks around the charters. And there's a lot of reasons why they wanted to do that. We won't dive into that right here.

So they did not sign the charter agreement. All the other teams, I think 30 other charters are signed for. But they chose not to sign it and to take NASCAR to court while they were going to go to court, which this could last a year. or two or so, they asked the courts to have NASCAR allow them to race as if they were chartered. So to still reap the benefits of the charter system, they wanted to be considered chartered teams during the litigation during the trial. And so that was granted to them earlier in the year and then recently a court of a three judges, I guess.

The judges said that NASCAR didn't need to consider them as chartered teams. And so they were now, they've now lost that ability to race as if they were chartered this year. They can appeal it. If they don't appeal, I think going into the Atlanta race, which is the first race of the TNT broadcasting portion of the year and the first race of the new in-season tournament, they're no longer chartered. They're open. So why that matters is, is a chartered, a chartered team will get a lot more prize money over the course of the year.

And it amounts to tens of millions of dollars. And so it's a big deal. If you have a charter, you're guaranteed a portion of the TV money from NASCAR. And in Denny's case, each charter is probably getting in. anywhere from 10 to 15 million bucks. Just guessing I'm probably high there. But, yeah, if they would assign the new agreement, they would be getting this money. They didn't want to sign it.

They're suing NASCAR. They wanted to race as a chartered team through the courts that was allowed. Now that's been pulled back. NASCAR doesn't have to pay them any money as if they were chartered for the rest of the year unless they win an appeal. That's fascinating as hell. I did not. In my opinion, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a big win for NASCAR. Denny takes the approach that it's just a small part of the bigger picture in terms of the lawsuit, which he's, he's correct.

The lawsuit is about the charter system. They want a lot of things different than NASCAR does and how the charters are handled. I would be guessing at what those things were. but that's really what this is all about. It's not so much trying to race as a charter team this year. They would love that luxury. It's still up in there whether they'll get it or not, but ASCAR seemed to have won a small battle right there.

I'm more worried, I think, that the financial burden that this place is on the team, they were, you know, they race, they have a budget at the start of the year, anticipating that money that the charter brings in. And now that that's why they wanted to race as a charter team. They need that money, right? And so while they will be able to survive it, it's going to be difficult financially, and they're taking that risk, right?

They're going to take that financial risk because they believe in their case at the end of the year. They could survive the year, but if they lose the case, then it's their, yeah. What happens? The question then is what happened? I wonder what the chances are that there's a settlement before the trial. I wonder what the chances are of NASCAR allowing them to come back. Like what happens to these charters? I'm curious if they'll talk.

They've said mediation is really not a thing, but when you go to court, things change. It's easy to say things now. You haven't gone to court and you haven't seen where you're... Yeah. You're standing. I know. Well, it's so fascinating. And I honestly did not feel, I was surprised that that, I was surprised that NASCAR got that

win, that small win with the injunction. I listened to the hearing. And after when listening, I wasn't then shocked because the way the judges were responding, it just seemed like they were, they were, the judges basically said that to front. row in 2311 you can't have your cake and eat it too if you want to sue them sue them but you can't be you can't sue them for the charter system that you're wanting to benefit from

correct yeah all right well um I'm sure I'll get a text from Denny when this comes out uh he's gonna be like this is what's going on um all right you want to what you want to do next he's a minute out I'm calling in oh yeah Denny's on the show and forgot

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this week's winter at Michigan. Denny. Your Denny bro in here is super happy. Oh, my gosh, dude. Travis is so heavy. He's wearing your hat. So, the, I have to ask you. you man when you got out and you did the Ohio State and then you do that on the front straightaway

and then you say afterwards in the media center that was for my buddy Travis I didn't you know I don't want any trouble from the Michigan fans you can't do that on the front straightaway and then ask and then like you know ask for reprieve that's fair it's enemy territory have you heard any blowback from that or any pushback? Well, Michael's publicist is a Michigan grad, and she does not appreciate it. I can tell you that. Actually, some of our legal team is Michigan grads as well. And so, you know, I don't know.

I'm definitely pressing some buttons over there, no doubt. So I thought it was interesting. Somebody asked you a question about all the things that you got going on and how do you strap into the car and do that job? that you did this past Sunday. You do, you know, when it, it is pretty impressive, man, that you, you're 44, how old are you, 44? Yeah.

You're 44 years old. Not many race car drivers win races beyond that 43 year mark. But you're 44 still at the top of your game, getting a car, drive great, do all those things, but you're also a team owner. You're out there actually racing against your cars, passing them throughout the day Sunday. But you have the litigation going on with NASCAR.

You just have a lot happening. And I don't understand how you have, number one, how do you have time in the day to sit down and do five minutes with us or anybody else in the media and how you can compartmentalize everything and talk to us about a race when you have some, serious going on in your life. Yeah. I mean, every, I feel like every 15 minutes is just filled up in my days.

I mean, you know, I'm late to this interview because I'm going to the doctor with Jordan, right? It's just, you know, it's just, it's part of my life and it's, you know, it's my own fault because I put all this stuff on my plate, but it's, you know, it is what I choose also, right? I mean, you know, you had a choice when you're, when you retired. Well, do you want to just go, you know, hang out with the kids and the wife and go do, you know, hang out and go to QS and that's where you're going to like, or are you going to continue working? Stay in the booth. Just do your podcast.

Like, it's the life we choose, right? And so I feel as though it's where I'm most happy. So I just, I really enjoy it. I enjoy being part of it. I enjoy, you know, give him back to the sport. And so, yeah, I just can't imagine. myself not being busy and someone actually asked in the media center post race like if you had one hour open in the afternoon what would you do and I was like man that might be one of the best questions

I've gotten in a while and I said truthfully I would schedule what I'm going to do next that's what I would do I swear I would say okay what have I put off okay I need to do that real quick and then let me prioritize you know, the next things in line that I need to work on or do. But the one thing, go back to just your question to answer it, is that I've never interrupted the process in which I go through each and every weekend to prepare. That has not changed since I owned a team. It's the same process. So I never take on anything that jeopardizes my on-track performance,

and I think that's why it stayed the same. Yeah, it's pretty fascinating. I love the history of the sport. I love diving into the numbers and how some people have really long careers can win races well beyond a certain age. While others don't, there's a lot of factors that play a role in that band, but you seem set up for success for many more years. The challenges of you're out there, I wonder about this, you're out there on the racetrack. you don't let anything disrupt what you need to do to win the race on Sunday. How hard is it, I guess, to not have your focus go anywhere near what your team is doing,

2311. They're out on the racetrack. They're trying to compete. There's times when they're successful. There's times when they're struggling. I wonder when you're out there battling Reddick, for example, you and him going side by side down the back straightaway. I wonder how you,

you know, how you handle, I had a tough time of that, being out on the racetrack with my own car. Mm-hmm. You know, and part of me wanted to do what I could to help that car.

Right. You know, and then I wasn't thinking about exactly what I needed to do to help myself. And I wonder how you, how you deal with that. Well, there was a moment at the end of the race,

not the end, but it was probably, right before the last pit stop, I passed Redick, and then at that point, I made a run at the top two. And I kind of was just getting stalled behind him. I really wasn't making much progress. And if anything, kind of dropping back from him, really to just kind of, let me cool my stuff off and I'm going to make another run at this. But during that time, Redick was coming on really strong. And at that point, I made a move up high in three and four.

He now gets to the inside of me. And at that point, I'm like, I got a decision to make. Do I fight him tooth and nail knowing every spot matters, especially inside this 60, 70 lap to go window? Or do I, and potentially compromise both our chances to win? Or do I just let him go? And then if I let him go, continue his run towards the front, then that's another opportunity for me to win.

And at that time, I didn't think I was good enough to go past those two. Now, the question comes not long after, and I think, you know, I just gave up one spot that I potentially could have came off pit road first here. Well, he had a bad stop. I had a bad stop. It didn't matter. But at that point, I'm always going to prioritize me winning first. But I feel like I'll never do anything to compromise both of us not having a chance to win. And it really happened throughout the race, too.

Anytime me and Redick were around each other, we did not spend. in any time side by side. We try to get it back in line as quick as possible because it's just one of those tracks where you cannot run side by side. So I just, I'm always going to root for me first selfishly because I've got a much shorter window at winning than what he does and that team does. So I on Sundays totally concentrate on me unless I'm out of it because I got damage or something like that and I really start downloading how their day is going and how their weekend went when I get in the plane on the ride home. That's when I start working on, okay, how can they be better?

What did they do? How'd their race go? What was going on? I'm more inquisitive post race than I am during. Yeah. We have started talking about the runway to the finish line for you, the ultimate finish line. And I don't know that you know when that is. you might have some ideas on how you want to wrap it up.

We have debated whether you would drive for your own team. I think that there's a day where you race, a race at least, but would you ever consider racing full-time for yourself? Yeah, I would consider it. No question. I mean, you know, the problem is, will I be limited by the charter agreement? Ultimately, I mean, you know, the new rules we can only have three. And so I personally think that makes it very, very challenging when you have to go up against teams that are grandfathered in at four.

Like, how is that not an advantage? But I don't know. If I was forced to be an open fourth car full time, I just, I don't see how the whole thing doesn't make financial sense to me anyway, much less when you get tens of millions of dollars less money than you're scheduled to get. Well, man, I know you got a lot going on, and I know you're about to have a baby boy born any minute. Excited about that for you. I can't imagine how that's going to feel and how that's going to change your life. But good luck with everything going on, man. We'll see you at the racetrack.

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NASCAR. Let's get right to the questions. Let's do it. This first one is coming from Nicholas. They saw Becoming Earnhardt is coming soon. So what can we expect? Can you give us a teaser as to what is coming for Becoming Earnhardt, 1980? Yeah, Becoming Earnhardt is just a show that I started, I got these two scrapbooks from my aunt. When my grandmother passed away, we went to her house. We're kind of looking through some of the things and, you know, photos and all kinds of stuff. and there's these two scrapbooks that my aunt made, and they are literally, one is from the 79 year and one's from the 80 cup season.

And she cut out every article and everything. And so right there in front of me, man, is basically this kind of like a book of like, here's what happened to dad. And, you know, I just never really dove into that real deeply to get details about that particular couple of years when he drove for Rod Austerlund and landed his first full-time ride

NASCAR. So we decided to make a series Becoming Earnhardt to detail what's in those scrapbooks and the things that we learned. It's pretty interesting. 1980 is what this particular season of Becoming Art Hart will be focusing on

and there is a high-profile split with crew chief Jake Elder. How Jake handles that in the media is wild. like Jake goes off the rails, Jake comes back on the rails, it's just wild. And dad and kale get nippy in the media late in the year.

Kale actually is real critical of dad on the racetrack. And, you know, just watching that whole, you know, kind of reliving, you know, putting yourself in the moment of going back through that particular year. I think it's really fun for me. I'm a nostalgia freak. I love the history of the sport. So it is a great time for me.

Good reason, good excuse for me to sort of dive more into learning more about that particular part of dad's life. And so I lived a lot of the late 80s and the 90s. I wasn't even in dad's life in 1980. I was not living with him yet. So in the car that he wanted. the championship with the car that he finished the last lap at Ontario and clinched the title

is that car sitting right here in front of us that's the freaking car that was there that day that he drove it's just wild to me so you know the aura off of the thing is just insane and so pretty cool should be a lot of fun for people to listen to they'll be very it's a little it's a bit similar to the first series if you listen to Becoming Earnhardt the first series,

episodes are really detailed and long. There was a lot of stuff in there that I wanted to force into each episode. And there was a lot that didn't get added that I wanted to talk about. But these will be much easier to consume. This will be a more friendly, nicer appetite of a show.

That has to be such a challenge to figure out what to include, what not to. Yeah. Because all these details are like, Oh, this is so good, but it could be so niche. And what you'll hear is we'll have some special guests, Deb Williams, who's been a reporter and writing about NASCAR forever.

She lived through all of this. She's part of it. Doug Richard is the crew chief on the car, is in the show. We did some interviews with him, some new stuff. And then we used a lot of original calls from MRN. and there was also an alternate broadcasting network that is now property of App State, the college. And so we went to their archives

to pull out some of the original calls from those radio broadcasts. And so hearing all that stuff is a lot of fun. That is super cool. And Tim's, he's entered the room. He's worked very hard on that. Can't wait to listen to it. I haven't had a chance to listen to it.

I want to listen to it when everyone else does. But this next question coming from Brian on Twitter, what's the story on this decal from this late model? And he's referring to the Calvin decal. And I might be able to show the screen. Yeah, I see it. Yeah. So what's the story behind this?

Yeah, I've talked about this before, but some people may not know. JW was another late model racer, Julia Williams. He was, he might have been, I know he was a mid-Atlantic champion one year. He might have been a national champion. and I can't remember, but he was a really solid racer around Myrtle Beach and Florence and that area, Somerville, I suppose. But I come, that was like my third or fourth, my second or third year maybe at Myrtle Beach.

And I was racing with him. We were running 150 lap or one night at the beach. And I didn't have a lot of racecraft, so I'd make mistakes. I get underneath him down the front straightaway or coming down into turn one and I overdrove the entry and I got a slit up track and I hit him into left for a tire pretty hard. It spun us both out. It bent the drag link on my car. I was out of the race.

I think he was also out. It probably knocked a left for a tire off his car. But we just, we hit hard, spun out. I didn't think it was that big of a deal. I made a mistake, you know, and screwed up my race. well we come back like two or three weeks later for a regular 100 lap feature and I am a freaking half a lap ahead cruising to a victory cars hauling ass and I'm flying and man the race is just going by and going by there's not a whole lot going on everybody's super spread out I'm lapping up to like fourth place

well I come up on him to put him a lap down and he pulled really low down back straight away and I thought that's odd I think he's going to try to get me down here in turn three and four we go down into turn three and four and I see him he's coming up the track and I'm driving up the track toward the wall in the middle of the corner trying to run away from him and he finally gets up to me and hits me in the left for a tire spins me out I ended up running forth that night or something but I was no question going to win the feature that night and so we come that was at the very end of the year that particular race was the All-American 400 All the, probably about 112, 115 late model stocks.

There were a lot of all pro cars there, big, big race. And that was the Calvin pissing on J.W. Pissing on Jerry Williams. We put that on there because we were so mad. It's aggressive. We got spun out. Did he see it? I don't know.

Yeah. I mean, I'm sure. If you didn't see it that day, we've talked about it on this show several times. Yeah. Yeah. Well, that's a good way to get back at somebody. Yeah, I don't know. I would have loved to have just won the feature and not gotten spun out.

Right. But instead you made a sticker. Yeah. Yeah. We got time for one more quick question. And it's from Vicki. What's one item of your dads that you don't have but wish you did? Oh, man.

I mean, there's, uh, I mean, I don't know that there's something that stands out. I really don't know that there's something that stands out. You know, I guess it's something that stands out. if there was a rifle or a shotgun that Ralph had given him. Might be cool. Something that had been given to him by Ralph. Yeah. Any kind of...

Any kind of item now. Yeah. That would be kind of need. I'm sure. So there's a... He had this closet where nobody's been in this closet since the day he passed away. and so there's a lot of stuff in there that that's probably if I could go to a space

to take a look at what is physically there that there's that that's absolutely no question where I'd go but yeah there's all kinds of stuff in that room that you know old racing uniforms and his gun collection and all types of stuff like that well that's a good place too I know it was quick I saw some great questions I wrote them down so if you didn't hear your question

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All right, everybody's time for Dirtymodeau here with Tampa Timms. T.J. is going to stick around. We also have Russell, the professor, joining us. Thank you, Russell, for coming. Thanks for having me. Yeah, this segment of Dirty Modo is brought to you by FanDuel, the premier gaming destination in the United States. Our manufacturer parlay from this past weekend did not hit.

I think we had Denny Hamlin, Joy LaGano, and who else? I believe William Byron, no. William Byron. Yeah. Well, we whiff big time on Joe Lugano. Yeah. But Byron's close. Hey, how'd your day go, Tim's?

Not great. I didn't bet a lot, but I liked Chris Busher a lot and bet him and Ford. So over two. Yeah, somebody I thought on social media, I saw, they had success with a top 10 bet we encouraged. But not a great week overall. Except, I guess, Russell, you picked the winner. Yeah, the predictor of the winner, yeah. There you go.

You're proud of that, aren't you? I am, yes. All right, we head to Mexico City. Well, hold on a second. How were the notes, Dale? What notes? The Russell notes for you, the one-liners. Oh, good.

They were good. No complaints? No. That's it? Yep. They were good. I mean, I don't know if this is that compelling, but he wrote them in a way that you would say it. And I thought to myself, this should be the way they already should be done.

I don't know why this is easier for me, but not easier for him, I suppose. No other complaints then? We're good? I don't suppose. Okay. Now the only problem is that Steve Lattart liked them and he wants them that way as well. Russell told me not to show them to Steve because he knew that would happen. Yeah.

And instead of having to do them that way for 10 weeks, I have to do them that way for 24 weeks. Well, now you don't have to do them the other way. That's true. That's true. Yeah. I got a lot of problems from your boothmates this morning, too, about Mexico's city notes. I don't know what the problem was.

Maybe the fact that the header for the email was in Spanish. Oh, you know, he knows the ish. They might not know what those words mean. I heard the best way to learn a new language

is to merge yourself in it. Okay, yep. Well, not everybody wants to get on that boat with you. Is that what their complaint was? Yeah, all the notes were in Spanish, so. Yeah, from top, every note. You had fun doing that, didn't you?

Took a little extra time out of your day. Marv, our producer, was the best part of it. Yeah, what do you say? Yeah. He thought he hit some button on the screen. He was trying to figure out which button did it, turn them back to English. That's hilarious. Well, I mean, I guess you could just totally.

translate it. Yeah, I'm sure you could these days. All right, well we head to Mexico City this week. So who are the drivers that have competed there? So Denny Hamlin, Kyle Bush, and Kesslowski, but then also Suarez is competed there in NASCAR, Mexico, and then

actually won there. And then Michael McDowell's won there in a Grand Am car as well. Did Keselowski run there the final year? I saw a video on Instagram yesterday of him, of the rundown and he was in the 88 car. Yeah, he was finished eighth.

Eighth. There you go. All right. So I think that that's an important thing to consider that Denny and these other drivers have ran laps there. Most of the field will acclimate themselves over the course of the weekend. And there are parts of the racetrack that are new, particularly in the stadium area, toward the finish line. But I just knowing, watching those races back this week,

knowing the technical side of the first three turns and then the final backside of the racetrack through the S's, Denny was really strong layer in 07, won the race before in 06. And so I don't look at Denny and go, man, great road racer. But for whatever reason, I just feel like that they're, as soon as they go to that racetrack, as they pull out there and start making laps,

it's just going to really feel natural and comfortable. It'll come right back to them. And I feel like that they'll have an advantage, at least as the weekend kicks off. There's a lot of long practices. There is a lot of practices. This won't be a traditional weekend where there will be a good amount of time

for the drivers to go out there and get used to the racetrack. But again, I still feel like that that advantage of having been there and ran laps there is going to be a pretty, pretty sizable one that will start to really erode away, maybe even midway through the race. So with all that said, who are the drivers that we're looking at as favorites? Kyle Busch, Christopher Bell, SVG, William Byron, and I'd say Tyler Reddick. You can also include Chase Elliott in there.

I'd say those are your top six. I'd say your winner comes from there with an outside chance of like Chris Busher or Kyle Bush, Michael McDowell. Those would be my three like sleepers, if you will. Okay. Kyle Busch, Christopher Bell, Byron, Chase Elliott. Who are the other two? Reddick. Of the guys that I think are going to win? Yeah, Reddick. The top of the predictor is Larson, Bell, SVG, William Byron, and Tyler Reddick.

And then Busher, McDowell. Yeah, I love Busher. He has the best average finish in the next-gen car on road courses, one at Watkins-Glen, just really well on the road courses, but underappreciated, in my opinion. What about the Hallecks win in Chicago? That was a fluke. I don't like talking about that. Oh, my goodness.

You don't like talking about it. That cost Russ a lot of money. Yeah. It did. That was dinner. He'd pay for two stakes. That was dinner. Yeah, I had to pay for my two stakes and then whatever else Steve he thought was we could put on the table, fit on the table at the time.

Oh, man. All right. So let's talk about who we want to, who we want to bet for our outright winner. I like Kyle Bush plus 1,600. Damn. Yeah. What's Chase Elliott? Plus 1,100.

I like Chase. You like Chase? Really? I do, yeah. AJ Allmendinger wasn't mentioned either, and he's plus 1,500. I like that, too. I think AJ, this is what they're circled on the calendar. I agree because of the, it's not a, you know, A.J., SVG, the guys that are, like, road course ringers,

they're not ringers anymore because all these other drivers have ran Watkins Glen a thousand times, right? They've ran Sonoma a thousand times. But this is exactly like going to Chicago. There's only a select few drivers that have actually been on this circuit. So I think it gives SVG and AJ, you've got to bump them a little bit. Yeah, their natural ability. Because their natural ability to charge and exceed all the breaking zones to do all the things right. gives them at least five spots, right?

But does this course isn't a very like, it's very flat and not as... It's technical as help. So, because I don't, I've been told from drivers that this isn't one that like SVG can just roll in like you did Chicago and dominate. I feel like the more technical, the better he is.

Well, listen, I don't, I think Chicago was, was a perfect storm. Oh, absolutely. But I still do think that they're, to your point, T.J., their God-given ability to run better at road courses. They're better road course racers. They are.

They're better road course races. So if you send everybody to a course they've never been to, who do you think is going to be good? Those two guys. Yeah. Now, you're going to also have the list that Russell mentioned. They'll all be competitive, Larson. they'll all run AJ and SVG for everything they're worth.

And then you'll have Hamlin and Kyle Bush, Keselowski, that have had, you know, Kezi's pretty bad at road courses, but Suarez, his experience here, McDowell, those guys that actually have laps on the track, that gives them an advantage. But, yeah, I wouldn't be surprised to see SVG and AJ, you know, the colleague stuff is better this year. It has been better.

Quite a bit better. That's why I'm surprised he's plus 1,500. That's like eighth ninth best. And I think he should be way up there. So that's good right now, good value. Yeah, this will be a fun one. To Tim's point, though, Kyle Wish's best run this year was at Cota. I led 42 laps there.

You know, he's one of those winners at Mexico City, too. So I think he's probably the best bet. Really? For that. I do like him, too. Odds. Yeah. They didn't like him the day he won there, though.

because he wrecked that Adrian Fernandez to win that race, and they did not like Kyle that day. I don't think that has been bearing on this weekend. No, not anymore. You just wanted us to be impressed with your knowledge. I was there. I watched it. Okay.

It was fun. It was fun. That racetrack definitely presents a lot of opportunity for things like that. Well, I like that, man. What are we going to, let's pick some, let's do a manufacturer parlay. I think Reddick for Toyota maybe. I would have went Bell, but I could live with Redick. He's the gambler.

Yeah. Redick will probably have better odds, but I like Bell. Bell is really strong on Cota. I think that will translate. Yeah, I'm leaning more towards Bell right now. Bell it is. C-Bell. All right.

We're going with, do we think that Busher backs it up for Ford? I think he could. Yeah. How does he not? I just don't know who else you're going to put in there. All right. Busher, it is. We should have,

we're going to be a week late to the busher parade. Yeah. This is the tough one. Chevy's the tough one. Yeah. I still like AJ. I don't know. Between SVG and AJ, who do you take?

I'm leaning to SVG right now. We go SVG. If I'm going to lose a sped, I'm losing with SVG on the card. It'll be fun to watch. Let's put SVG up there. And he's actually, I mean, he's improving. on his oval stuff this year as well. I don't know if many people notice it,

but he's getting more comfortable with the cars and stuff. Yeah. Go back-to-back top 20s, I don't know, man. Well, you sure we shouldn't put Kyle Busch there? That's a lot. I'm fine with either one of those three. He's going to spin out, doesn't he? Kyle?

At some point, right? Does the predictor put spin-outs in there? The predictor has either Larson or SVG for this one. Okay, SVG is. Yeah. All right. SVG, Busher, and Bell. Bell.

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