The Dale Jr. Download - He Has To Go For It

Episode Date: September 30, 2025

After a wild and crazy finish in Kansas, Dale Earnhardt Jr. is back to unpack the action on a new episode of Dirty Air. He joins co-host TJ Majors to relive the wild last lap in Kansas and what fans should expect heading to the final race of the Round of 12 at the Charlotte ROVAL:Denny got behind on pit roadDenny could have ran the final corner differentlyWho will make their move at the Roval?Changes are coming to paint schemes and horsepowerThe tides have shifted in the great Playoffs debate During the Ask Jr. portion of the episode, listeners sent in questions regarding:Tristan McKee hooking Sam Yarbrough at MartinsvilleThe excitement for NASCAR ‘25The choice of never having a hangover or sitting in traffic ever againWyatt Miller winning the Pro-Spec Off Road ChampionshipAnd for more content check out our YouTube page: https://www.youtube.com/@DirtyMoMediaReal fans wear Dirty Mo. Hit the link and join the crew.👇https://shop.dirtymomedia.com/FanDuel: Must be 21+ and present in select states (for Kansas, in affiliation with Kansas Star Casino) or 18+ and present in D.C. First online real money wager only. $5 first deposit required. Bonus issued as nonwithdrawable bonus bets which expire 7 days after receipt. Restrictions apply. See terms at sportsbook.fanduel.com. Gambling Problem? Call 1-800-GAMBLER or visit FanDuel.com/RG. Call 1-888-789-7777 or visit ccpg.org/chat in Connecticut, or visit mdgamblinghelp.org in Maryland. Hope is here. Visit GamblingHelpLineMA.org or call [phone] for 24/7 support in Massachusetts or call 1-877-8HOPE-NY or text HOPENY in New York.Consumer Cellular: New customers get a $5 credit on first five monthly invoices. Visit https://savings.consumercellular.com/DJD for details. Check out Dirty Mo Media on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@DirtyMoMedia  Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

It's wild to me that they're, like, going to tell me what color to paint my spoiler. Yeah. You know what I mean? The valance, the spoiler, whatever it was. I'm like, how the fucking car design is my damn choice, right? You can't come and tell me what color to paint the spoiler. Especially those parts.

The spoiler's part of the car. That's the way I always thought, right or wrong. And I still don't like the number placement. But that's all right. They ain't going to move it back for me. The following is a production of Dirtymo Media. This is the most fun I've had in this chair in the last hour and a half. I don't know if we've ever argued.

Did I piss you off over the weekend? I'm still sour. Did I want the best man at your wedding? Who was your best man, Dale? T.J. You don't need a cool best for that race? What are you thinking? Get them, T.J.

Elway is starting a show. All right then. Hey, everybody. It's Dale Jr. back again for another episode of the Dale Jr. download. and here with my co-host, T.J. Majors on another episode of Dirty Air. How's it going, T.J.? It's going good. How's your weekend in Kansas? Oh, it was a good weekend. Full weekend. A little Arka, a little Xfinity, a little cup. Yeah. Kansas has a lot going on. Who did you spot for in Arca? The Andy Jane Cowiac. Who? Sorry. Andy Jay, you know, the guy for his name. You just work for anybody.

Well, no, I've worked for him for him for him. He's the guy that... That's the first time ever heard this guy's name. You'll remember it. What's his last name? Jane Bless you. You remember Daytona a couple years ago? No. Remember Daytona couple years ago? The guy said, Jan Cowiac.

I'm going to either see God or a checker flag. Remember that? No. Do you remember it? You remember it. But do you remember it? I remember it. There it is.

Jan Cowiac. There you go. Thank you. Andy. Yeah, there you is. Oh, that's him? Apparently, yeah. Oh.

Yeah. Well, all right. All right. Yeah. All right. Yeah. All right. Andy looks like the lead singer.

For a 1980s cover band. Cover band. He does a little bit, yeah. I agree. He does. He fit right in that era. Probably a little mid-90s is too, some. I mean, early 2000s?

He looks like the lead singer, like he'd be the lead singer of Golden Earing. You know what I mean? No, I don't. Who's Golden Earing? Golden Earing. Is that Gold Ney. Twilight Zone. Now I'm heading into the Twilight Zone.

Just click images. actually probably don't. It's probably the bad at it. Okay, yeah. Yeah, see? All right. Okay. This guy is something else.

I've seen him, I think, on some social media clips this year after a race or something getting interviewed. He wins a lot of races, modified races in western New York area. Okay. Well, look. A dude's bringing some style. Bringing some style, some personality. That looked like.

Like, you and the late night, I mean, that kind of, you had to do that. You know what? I encourage this guy. Yeah. Keep it up. We need more of the Jan Cowiacs out there. Any more Jan Cowiacs in the sport? There he is.

Well, it's modified. Mm-hmm. I bet he listens to some golden ear ring. I wonder what he does listen to when he gets ready to get in the car. That is a good question. We need a playlist. We need an Arca Race Day

Morning playlist from Jen Kaliak. I'm I have no idea what we'll be on that. I bet there's some 38 special on there. I'll bet there's a lot of things that I probably couldn't guess. But yeah, it's fun. It was a good race.

All right. We were going to run fifth and blew a tire coming to the white flag. Yikes. It's awesome flat tires in that race. Yeah. Oh, Bobby. Bobby Dale Earnhardt.

Popped her right front down the front straight away. Oh, he hit. Clobbered the wall. I heard that hit. Bobby Dale. You know how they hit? Them, the arcar cars hit a lot harder than them lawnmowers. He was a longboar racer back in the day.

Yeah, racing lawnmowers out in Rockingham area. It's probably sounding like when he went through that fence on Chimville Road. Remember when he went through that fence? He did. Bobby. Bobby Dale. He worked here at Jim Merseports for a while. He did.

Yeah. He did. Yep. Well, he'll just up and run an arca race out of nowhere. I saw him in Bristol. He ran Bristol. He did run Bristol. Yeah. Had a little trouble there too, not quite as bad as Kansas. He's had some issues. Some tire failures, both. I think it might have been a tire there too. I think it was. I think so. Keeps tires on it, Bobby. Bobby. Four tires is good. Yeah. So this week's dirty air segment brought to you by Bass Pro Shops, North America's Premier Outdoor and Conservation Company. Plan your next adventure at Bass Pro Shops.

Go to a brass pro shops near you or you can shop online at basspro.com. Travis. Has a rough. Are you okay on race days? Travis, Denny was in good shape, right, to win this race. It was going to win. Yeah. Oh, God.

We're going to win. Had no power steering. Had some. I know. You know, he's like, I ain't got no power steering. And then he's out there, you know, usually if you don't have power steering, you go straight to the. middle of the field, if not further back.

So he said originally he didn't have any. Then they told him to cycle through. And he basically could turn the wheel 11 to 1 was kind of his range. It worked in the corners, just not the straights, I guess. Well, Denny, you know, fault some of those issues. That's unsettling. Regardless of how much assist he had, any kind of change in the norm is a distraction and makes things difficult. So I was pretty impressed with Denny to be able to go out.

out there with that issue, with the distraction, and lead the field and put, you know, with 27 to go, he's sitting there fastest car on the track, going to be in position to win the race. Granted, it probably does make that easier that he's leading the race and stuff like that, because if you're running 25th, you know, I'm power steering. If he was fifth, he would have been probably screwed, right? I don't know. I really don't know. I think that either way, pretty impressive.

would have been interesting, I guess, to see it continue to play out because I think his job gets harder as the tires get more difficult to discern in terms of level of grip. As a tire starts to lose grip or the car starts to lose grip, can he make the inputs that, you know, can he trust the, you know, what he needs to do with the steering wheel? But this, like I will say, I don't know if you saw this, Kansas has moved a little bit, the line.

So if he was having to run right against the fence with that, it happened to just. Yeah, but he's using it. He was using that seam. Yeah, he was using that seam. Then his final pit stop was slow. Yeah. What happened? Two tire and the jack man missed the mark. And so he had to hit it again.

Well, it costs, I guess they got the front changer and the jack man from the four car. Yeah. They're like the development team for JGR. The four car? Yeah. They supply a pit crew for that. Not the 54. No.

That's interesting because what manufacturers is the four car? afford. Yeah. Then you're racing. There's multiple teams that do that now. Crossing. Across manufacturers.

Interesting. It's developmental deals, yeah. You would think it'd be all, you know. Well, remember 2311 has taken their pick crew. Dude, I get it. I'd get it, but, man, there was a time when, like, you know, nobody, nobody did that. Yeah, you didn't cross manufacturers. No.

No. But now it's okay. That's good. I like it. Joe gives a shit with Ford's. He does. He does. He does. Joe gives to Ford in 27. Jesus Christ. Right. It's going to go nuts.

So there was a little issue on the pit stop and then he come out sixth, I think, right? So final restart, he's battling. He finds his way back toward the front of the field trying to drive down into turn one or turn three underneath Bubba. And, hey, I mean, we've seen. we've seen this car and as with the next gen we've kind of learned what what the cars do to each other right and um you have to i i've had to really pay attention to this because when you drive i drove the old car and i knew pretty much if i put a car on my right rear the left rear centered up on the back or in my door either side i knew what that was going to feel like when somebody

was tight on your right or tight on your left, you know? Yeah. This car has some things that it does similarly, but a lot of things that it does different. One of the things that we have noticed is when somebody drives up to your left side, they don't have to hit you. But if they quickly kind of compress that air between the two cars, the guy on the outside gets super tight. It packs air. We saw it with the 20 car, the 23 above Wallace off of turn four. You know, the 20, a bail had to lift real big there when they come off turn four somewhere middle point of the race.

And the 20 lost the lead in a few spots. I think it was a battle for the lead. And so that's an example of like how the inside car can really get the outside car tight. And I think they use that, you know, to their advantage. If I can get to your door, I can make you lift. Instead of getting behind somebody and getting them loose like you're used to, now you get on the left rear and it just packs air and pushes that car up, it seems like. In the old car, the guy on the outside still had the advantage.

Oh, for sure. You know, the guy on the inside was in the one that was sort of at the disadvantage. And you would expect in the old car that the 23 would mutter on in the throttle and beat him off turn forward and went, you know, keep to spot. In this car, it gets him really tight and he has to lift or he's going to hit the wall, which he did. Well, I mean, yeah, he was going to hit. And Denny was going to keep going. Do you think, you know, when I watched the replay, like Denny, damn sure goes down in a corner and

is going up the track, right? He's taking his line. He run him aggressive, very aggressively. But Denny, but Bubba still had, I know Bubba hit the wall because his car's tight and he's on the outside, this phenomenon of the air that we just talked about.

But there was room. It was like a car and a half. How much room do you see, TJ, at the tightest between the 11? I mean, there's a car length and a half. Yeah, car and a half. Yeah. Yeah.

So, did, you know, Did Denny cost them the win? He sure did. Absolutely. He did. But I don't know that Denny knew that that was what was going to happen when they went down in the corner. Denny's trying to win the race and fired it down in there, sent it into turn three. And about this point he goes, I mean, the point where before he gets to that scene, I think he knows that.

He's in trouble. He's in trouble and the car on the outside. It's probably going to hit the wall. Really? Oh, yeah. Because you barely, they're going to the corner. and you had to straddle that seam on the entry, and if you got too much higher above that,

you're going to hit. Really? Denny's line was straddling on the top seam, slide up right here a little bit, put his left front on that seam and then go. Yeah. I'm kind of amazed at how the 23, like, when Denny's car stops going up the racetrack,

there's a car and a half, but the 23 still could not keep it out of the wall because of the way the air works with these two cars. He could have maybe slowed down more, right here. His car just right there, it just takes off. See, I think he throttled up. Really?

I think so. Still, though, I mean, I guess he throttled up thinking he can finish the corner. I don't have a problem with what Denny did right there because, honestly, the 23 past a 20 very similarly off of turn four the lap before. But my issue with it is, this is a mile and a half. The guy's behind you, anytime you pull this move, you're pretty much getting past. Yeah. Well, I don't know that, listen, I mean, I don't think Denny went down into three knowing exactly how this was going to play out. I think he went down in there.

He definitely sent it in there and... I think he was hoping to clear him. I think he was, too, hoping to either clear him. Maybe he didn't. That's what he said was he wanted to clear him. If he get in front, then it's over. He's trying to clear up and get in front of him right here. But Bubba drove it in there like Bobba should have.

Sure. And that was a shot of winning. And when two guys go into team like that, it's... going to be, you know, they're both not coming out the other side and it costs them both. Yeah. Well, it gave the wind to chase Elliott. It's just not a high percentage move. It's not. It's not. And I honestly thought Denny... What's Denny supposed to do? Right there? Right there. What's Denny supposed to do on the first lap of the race? Right there, Denny is supposed to race and probably not cost either one of them to

victory. Supposed to race? So he's supposed to let up? I would say do... Don't go for it, Denny. No, that's not going for it, but he costs both of them to win. Did he not? Yes or no? Did he cost both of them the win? Who won the race? But if he doesn't do that, he's not going to win. There's no argument about the way the race played out.

There's no argument, TJ, that no one's going to argue with you that he did cost. Well, he is. He costs himself and the 23 the win. He did. Yeah, but what's he supposed to do? Yeah. What is he supposed to do other one? I think you race hard, but one of you's got to win the race.

You can't tell a race car driver. I don't know. Don't throttle up. I don't know how else. that they're supposed to go through the corner battle, try to win the race, and not bring other guys into it. I mean, I just don't.

Denny could have drove in harder and tried to clear him more. Or he could have not dove down to the bottom and try to turn the center off, but one of them win. Yeah. Right there, neither one of you win. And what you really did

was put the guy that nobody wants in the playoffs back in the playoffs. I agree. Would you rather race, Bubba Wallace or Joey Legano? Right now. I saw Matt. Who do you want to race?

Well, yes. In hindsight and me, not in the car, Of course I'd rather... Denny is... Denny knows who... The race car drivers... Dale, are you... At that moment, are you thinking,

well, if I let Bubba win, Lagano's gonna be minus 13, but if I... No, but he has no play but to say that. If he goes in there and says, oh, yeah, well, I just... Denny ain't gonna say, you know... You're a race car driver going for your 60th win,

punch your ticket to the round of eight, and you're saying, well, you know what? Let me think about the implications here. I'm gonna ease up in... Maybe I should cost both of us to win. Yeah, that's a good idea. He's not thinking that. He's thinking if I can make this move, I win.

When has that ever worked? We see these things happen all the time. Yeah, the third place guy win, you're right. I like Denny going for it. I think he could have done it differently to not let the nine win. Someone else win. Yes, that's what I'm saying.

I like Denny going. I like Denny going for it. I like Denny going for it. But I think he just sent it a little bit too hard. You know, putting the 23 in the wall, even though Denny gave him a car length and a half, that Denny knows how the arrow works. He, you know, I don't know truly if the 23 getting into the wall is all Denny or a little bit of both of them being, you know, just, I think Bubba gets to that point and goes, this is, we're f***.

And probably maybe he does hammer the gas. I don't know, but. There's a way they come off the corner and race the line still. Absolutely, T.J. There's, yes. I agree. Chris Busher, Kyle Larson. I agree with you.

I think that in the moment it was maybe hard for Danny to admit, but I bet you Thursday or Friday or even Sunday morning at the Roval, would he privately trade you a 23 victory for the obvious end result here? I think you would. Of course. Yeah. I mean, but that's not how sports works.

Yeah. I mean, I, I like, I like him going for it, man. But I think he could have done it a little differently and still being able to get out of the car and look at his crew and go, hey, I went for it without wrecking both of us. I went for it without taking us, taking either. I went for it, yet still gave us in the 23 or the 23 a shot and not letting a Chevrolet go through and win the race. And I think some drivers would have done that, but is that how Denny races? A week ago, he was preaching, like, big picture racing and being smart. This is the opposite of it.

No, no, that's not the same as last week. Last week they were battling for 11th. This was for a win. It's a little bit... Stage two or whatever it was. I mean, it is what it is. Listen, this ain't the end of the world. It's a teaching moment.

It's also... It really doesn't change anything for Denny. It doesn't. And it's also a really... a really big you know a really great freaking finish for NASCAR a big dramatic finish for NASCAR

it also makes Denny's Roval race a whole lot easier he would have been like plus 24 had bubble one now he's plus 48 I mean I don't think it changes Danny's Roval race I think he's going to be fine with that anyway I don't know I mean I don't know

I don't know I don't know I I think we should applaud this. No, I can't applaud it. Good Lord. I can't applaud it. Why? He could have drove backwards around the track and you would applaud it.

You don't want hard racing at the end? Not like that. Not with the car you own. Not with a guy you have to sit in meetings with. If I was out there and drove down in the corner and put one of my guys in the wall, how much shit and how many fires would I be putting it out and putting out today? Well, if you've already set the expectations that we're going to race as if we're competitors like i they already know everybody's going to race as their competitors i'm just saying this

this is this is a little bit too much and there's a lot on the line here now like and it didn't work out if danny wins this race great move but he didn't yeah it's not the end of the world it just i think it could have done it differently and one or one of the two cars win the race and if he let's up if bubble if he doesn't have to let up he doesn't have to fall in line where you're you you're getting too aggressive here. He can drive, why didn't he not go to the bottom, right? Why did he drive into the corner and up the track and just totally taking away the 23s line, right? He had other things, other ways to approach the corner, not that they would have worked.

I mean, the likelihood of him completing the pass is not that high. So yes, he took the aggressive approach because he knew how low the percentage of the pass was, right? And so, you know, I just think that Denny's, you know, Denny's personality and his approach and his ownership technique and everything, he'll say, hey, you know, this is, if you're going to, if you're going to drive my cars, this is how I do business. And will he do this every time? No, but, you know, in these situations, racing for a championship and so forth, this is what I'm going to do,

what I'm willing to do. and that's his prerogative. That's his choice. It's not my, it's not the way I would have done it. Don't be mad when they race you that way back. Yeah, I'm not sitting there with 59 cup wins either. So, I mean, I, I like the, I like his attitude of going for it. I think he has to go for it.

He owes it to his team. For sure. I just hate it because Bubba was in a good spot, you know, and Bubba did everything all day long to sort of, sort of put himself in a great spot in his own team owner, it's hard. I think if you're Bubba, it's hard to go, man, I can't, I don't feel good about this. And I don't want to, you know, I shouldn't, you know, I shouldn't assume.

But I mean, if I'm Bubba, I'm sitting there going, man, I don't want to be okay with this. I'm not okay with this, right? You know, he flipped, you know, any, I think Bubba was very professional. Did a great job as an interview. He did a good job. but he had every opportunity and every right to be frustrated about that and voice that opinion. But pretty interesting. Yeah, that's for sure.

Yeah. So, I mean, if you're put yourself, like, we can put ourselves in Denny's shoes, but put yourself in Bubba's shoes. I don't, I'm, if I'm Bubba, yeah, I'm upset with how it played out. But I, are you okay, though, with it? I mean, did you think? What if Bubba did that to you? You're not okay with it. If Bubbid it to Denny?

Yeah. Yeah. No way. As a fan or if I'm Denny? If I'm Denny, I'm saying as you, I'm not talking about you. As a fan, yeah, I'm not going to like it. But guess what? That's because I'm not a fit in a Bubba.

Denny's like, but I understand it as from a driving aspect. I don't, I think you would be fuming and I think your Twitter would be on fire if you, this happened to Denny. I said me as a fan, yes. but as talking about just two drivers, I think they would get it. I don't think Bubba gets it that well. I wouldn't either. I mean, if I got you beat

and you wall me to win the race, I'm going to be pissed. I didn't say that he shouldn't be pissed, but he should get it. So I think it's just a low percentage move. There was a way to do it, like you said, a race back to the line, maybe beat him, maybe not,

I don't know, maybe you door on the front stretch, and one of you win the race. that's the big picture moved, in my opinion. I don't know. All right, we'll all agree to disagree. You know, I think, I will say, it provided a very exciting finish.

And, you know, as you noted, it wasn't really, it didn't end up being a bad day points-wise for Denny. But Joe Lugano got out of his car and said, Thanks, Denny for the gift. Because he would have been in a tough spot if the 23 had won. Been out, I think. Who did minus?

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I'm sure it's going to be a wild one. The weekend kicks off Friday with the Craftsman Truck Series, and then Saturday you've got the Xfinity Series with the Blue Cross, North Carolina, 250. On Sunday before the green flag, country star Ernest is taking the stage for a live pre-race concert. You won't want to miss it. And then it's time to see which 12 cup drivers will advance and who will be eliminated from the playoffs. Racing, music, camping, cold beer. It's how you got to do it every single race weekend.

And it's right here at Charlotte Motor Speedway. Go to Charlotte Motor Speedway. dot com for tickets now if you look at the um you know the exfinity series and the cup series the roval's going to be pretty interesting to see how this all plays out on the cup side ross and bubba tyler and austin cindricks are all out minus 13 for ross and in the 20s and so forth for the rest of those guys so minus one of them guys winning that's kind of locked in my opinion I'd say we should just keep an eye on Ross. I don't know that I am too worried about,

I'm not really worried about any of those four. I mean, Tyler could. I don't, I'm not, anybody could show up and just find a way to be fast. But I don't think I've got a lot of confidence in any of those four guys that are on the cutoff line going in there and winning, especially with SVG there. I just don't have a lot of confidence. So could they have a good day,

second, third, fourth, fifth? Yes. But I just don't know. But with Ross being at minus 13, he, by all means, believes he's got a shot. And he will do everything and anything, as we've seen in the past,

the hellmelling, all the things, and he will do whatever it takes. So I would be watching him, If I had a camera, like, you know, one single camera just to put on Ross, I would just, I think that'd be worth. I mean, you can go to Zincar. Yeah, you can. You can watch it all race.

I know, but I mean, I don't like the N-Car cameras all the time. But your point is well taken. I think, you know, and if you had like a small basic cable channel that was willing just to show Ross for the race, that might be like something I'd, have you have multi-view now with all of these platforms. I'd put a little multi-view up there with Ross and then the race, right? Ross-Lagano. I don't want to miss something because I think Ross is going to be doing some stuff. Oh, yeah.

Oh, he's going to be, yeah. He's going to have to. Ross is going to Ross. But, you know, if Ross gets stage points in stage one, say he gets fifth, six stage points and Joey doesn't, this gets a lot more interesting. Otherwise, I mean, Chase Briscoe's had good success there in the Xfinity. series he's plus 21 i think he gets it you know everybody else is safe yeah yeah so uh barring some major failure crash right man which could happen it could yeah could get some damage something that

could put you behind the wall or broke a toe link you never know but um i think for the most part this could be a very uneventful race everybody being careful oh i don't know there's a there's a hairpin and a hosavar in this one so we'll have some excitement. If there's a hosovar out there, there's always a chance. And a hairpin. And a hairpin corner, that's good. That's something. There's a couple guys out there been a little.

How about John Hunter Nimichick? What was that? Where was he going? PJ, you saw that? I saw it, yeah. What was the deal? I mean, he said he was trying Denny's moving. It didn't work.

Is that what he said? No. No. Well, don't say that then. No. Because I mean, I might believe you. No. Or somebody else might believe you.

John Hunter just, he just, he just, he just, he just, he just, he just used him up and caused a heck of wreck. He drove right into his left for a quarter panel. Yeah, and then into a right rear quarter panel on the way down. I know. That was just so wild. It was wild. I've not seen a wreck like that in a while.

Yeah. Nasty hits for what was, Josh Barry and... A tie. Josh got it. Real bad. Yeah, Josh got it pretty hard. Yeah. Hard enough I got a text from John Wood, so.

What does that mean? People are going to wonder what that means. He's bad. He's in the hospital? What the f***? No, we talked about it last week with John, remember? Yeah, but he made it sound like the record was so bad like John's like worried. No, it's like John's the roller coaster up and down.

He's like, oh, good day, oh, bad day, there it is. Yeah, I didn't get a text run. I just was like, they're racing for 20th back there. Yeah, that is. Right. Crashing a shit out of each other. I mean, 38 cars on the wall flipping. What a, the next-gen car flipping.

is uh did y'all see how that thing kind of like clunkers yeah clunks down the track I mean it's like it doesn't absorb much it's like a toy yeah plastic toy car yeah it doesn't now it absorbs more than it used to yeah then we have made some

when other cars would flip like made some improvements on how it absorbs remember McDow whenever he crashed at Texas at one time and like every hit it like bent down you know what I mean like when he got to the when he finally stopped, the whole thing was kind of like... Oh, yeah. Balled up. Compressed, yeah. He said, Zane said, he's like, that was the worst part when it was kind of tumbling down the track.

He's like, those hits, those, I mean, the car's not, you know... No cars really built to do that. You know, those hits are always going to be kind of. I know that it, you know, there's... I'm not an expert on safety, but the other cars, you know, the roll cage would collapse somewhat down on the driver. and which is, you know, scary, pretty sketchy. But it did absorb, you know, some of the impact of the car landing on its roof and so forth.

Well, luckily everybody seemed to be able to get out of that deal all in one piece. Yeah. Everything did its job. Yeah. And we don't feel like that the playoff, you know, right now the top 12, we don't think that's really going to change in terms of who moves forward. So let's move on to some other things. All right.

Oh, did y'all like Kansas? Was it a good race? Crowd looked a little thin. I thought the crowd was okay. Crowd was okay? Yeah, well, they showed on TV. It looked empty on TV. A lot of people on social media felt like it was very small crowd.

I don't know if this has any correlation, but the Chiefs were playing the Eagles in Kansas City. Was it a good crowd or not a good crowd? I thought it was okay. I thought it was decent. Okay. Yeah, I mean. All right. Well, you're...

Could it have been better, a little probably? Your assessment's better than most. I've seen it better. That track is pretty entertaining. I don't mean, what more do you want? Do you? It was a good race. Yeah.

Kansas is a good racetrack. I mean, the only thing that I don't love about... Look, that was a good product. That was a great product on the racetrack this weekend. The one thing I do not love about the next young car is how bad the area is when a car gets behind another car. and we saw a couple moments in that race where a guy, they're all trying to avoid each other's wake, right, when they go down in the corner?

Like you're behind the guy down a straightaway, and you're thinking, all right, is he going low or high? Because I'm doing the opposite. That's the way all of them think as they're going down a straightaway. I'm going to do the opposite, the guy in front of me. Yeah. We spot like that.

If two cars are tight in front of you, like five carlings running you, you tell your driver, hey, they're tight, they're going to split. And you need to go to where both of them are, right? Right? So that might be the middle. But you've got to get clean air underneath the center of the car. And sometimes we'll see, and we saw it in this race, they'll make the wrong choice. And boy, they just lose, they have to jump out of the gas because they go into the corner following the car. And they have no grip and they jump out of the gas.

They lose all this momentum. And we saw it at Indy with, I think Bubba coming across the nose of Eric Jones. That was a great example of what I do not love about this car. but otherwise I really enjoyed everything else about this race I see that little

phenomenon with the arrow a time or two in each individual race and it grinds my gears otherwise I was really entertained particularly with the finish

as much as I man as much as I wish Bubble would have won the race because I thought he was in a position to do it and I hate that you know if it was not his team owner

on the inside making that move I'm okay with it because it's another competitor going for it You know, we've seen Briscoe send it into turn three at the dirt race and take Redick out. I mean, we've seen that. Those are moves that we want to see.

Kansas is no historically that place. Those are moves that we want to see from time to time in the sport. A guy send it and overdo it, cook it, and make the mistake, cost them to win. It just sucked because it was the team owner and the driver in this scenario. But otherwise, like if it's other drivers, if it's other people in those cars besides Denny, and bubble we want to see that sometimes right um we like to see our racing be flawed and imperfect and present those sort of oh hell coming off the last corner a guy slides by and wins the race and oh it's chase ell who happens to be one of the more popular drivers in the series so um i think that i would have liked to

seen a little more tire fall off in my opinion yeah i wasn't sure if we i wasn't really sure if i would have noticed like i'm i'm watching the race and i i couldn't I don't know whether I would have thought much different about the race if there was more fall off or what? I didn't even know if there was a ton of fall off. There wasn't. Well, the 22 went from like mid-back, mid-pack to two tires and was maintaining, you know.

Great call by them, but like there wasn't, you shouldn't. Denny held off drivers next to him and behind him on the two-tire call also. Well, we didn't go green long enough at the end to really show up. Well, that's what Ligano did too, that same stop. That's why we. At the end, four tires won the race. I think tire wear and tire fall off is really good when you can get it, but I don't know that it's absolutely critical to producing a really, really great race on the mile and a halfs.

I think if the tire's too good, it's problematic, right? If there's zero fall off. I felt like it was too good. I didn't see the drivers fight it enough, in my opinion. I got you. Um Next year we've seen some some

Some I guess we've seen some Renders and stuff for some some new schemes for next year And apparently NASCAR's Putting the manufacturer branding on the rear glass Taking away the driver's name Does that bother you guys?

Not me I wonder why they're doing that It seems Not necessary But you know When I go to the racetrack and I look at the back glass, they've cut the holes in the back glass

to let that hot air out of the interior of the car. And you can't even read some of the names anyways because of those holes, right? And they put the decal of the name right over the top of these giant slits that are cut in the glass. I don't even know why there's even any branding there because the car has, the windshield has holes in it.

I'd be fine leaving it open. It's a non-issue, just something I thought we'd bring it. I see some people talking about it, thought we'd talk about it. Yeah, nobody cares. Yeah, all right. Me, I'm a new fan. It doesn't bother me.

Doesn't bother me. I'm probably absolutely on my own with this take, but that's what we do. I'm going to be honest. When the manufacturers start doing things to the cars or taking spots, like, remember when the next-gen car came out, nobody could fuck with their rockers. That was the manufacturers part of the car. and you had to have this specific decal that went around the rear bumper

and around the nose. Those were the manufacturer identifiers. And I'm like, who gives you shit? And then when we started, when we would make the playoffs and they'd paint your spoiler yellow or everybody had to have yellow this or green. Where did that first start?

I hated that. The Winston stuff? That's probably the first thing that really did it, right? Yeah, the no bull used to have these bright pink. or something, spoilers and roof rails on the cars and stuff. Going for a million. And our numbers. Our numbers on the roofs were a different color, too.

Everybody had red or pink numbers or something like that. Yeah. I hated that. Whenever you hear change the car, you get like PTSD, and you think about the numbers being moved on the car. And you just, any change. Oh, man. You just get you going.

And he changed the car. I don't, like, the paint scheme in my mind, and again, listen, I'm fine being wrong on this. And I know I follow online. There's so many people now that are like, I don't give a shit about the number placement. I don't care. It's forward, back, whatever.

I'm fine with it. Are we still complaining about that? I'm one of those guys that still complains about it. I don't really complain about it personally or publicly, unless we're on this show talking about it. But when I, you know, we would spend all winter like, oh, man, moving this line and moving that and changing this color and doing all these little things of the scheme.

and then the manufacturer wants this and they're going to do this and you can't have it just like that because this. And then when you get into the playoffs and they put some weird colored spoiler on the car that throws a whole freaking thing out of whack, you're just hoping, you know, I don't know, you shouldn't complain because you're lucky to be in the playoffs. But I'm like, who in the hell said that they could have the spoiler, right? You know, who?

It was like, it was a, it was a, it was a, is wild to me that they're like gonna tell me what color to paint my f***ing the valence the spoiler whatever it was

I'm like how the fucking car design is my damn choice right you can't come and tell me what color to paint the spoiler

especially those parts man that's my the spoiler's part of the car I just thought that that's the way I always thought right of wrong

and I still don't like the number placement but that's all right they ain't gonna move it back for me but yeah that's not moving the number placement is here to stay i'm glad it's still not changed on the exfinity stuff boy that's going to be a tough day did you see did you see colleague with their truck when they announced their ram truck they had the number slid forward

nobody noticed so they announced the ram deal and on that truck that they showed when they pulled the cover off the number is slid forward like on the cup car and how I'm like them little son of a gun's look at it oh no yeah tj nobody noticed everybody's like yeah

collie don't be bringing that into the universe chris rice needs to fix this immediately don't wish that evil on us i think it looks good of course you do of course you do the fear in tj's eyes right now

it's weird looking on our truck doesn't it is like is there a different like side in look at that one down go down a couple rows over the right they did they did it

to be able to get the ram on there I get it that just looks like that number looks like right there I'd have left the colleague off and just move the ram back colleague I respect the hell out of them but your truck sucks

but that damn number placement on that truck oh god and yes if I'm asked if you ask me or we're going to talk about it Go to the next row down where they unveiled it at Michigan. Check that number. Over to the right, right there.

Okay, that's better. So the original truck, yeah, that they unveiled in Michigan, had the number in the right place at 25. They pulled a fast one on us. So we're blaming colleague. Yeah, I'm blaming colleague. Damn it, colleague. You know what?

I go back to the original idea that was proposed by NASCAR to the teams. Put the number wherever you want. But between the tires. Put it wherever you want. Run in the middle, back. Front, no matter. Yeah, that seems... That would be awesome.

Having some flexibility and some... Hey, here you go. Change it. If you want to put it, wherever you want to put it. Yeah, because I think some numbers look better. I just think it's fine. Everybody kind of doing whatever they want to do. I agree.

Yeah. Man, they made... You know, they made... I don't remember when this happened. But for the longest time, NASCAR didn't really have any rules around the size of the number. I don't know that they had a very... specific, they had a bit of a template, a loose template on where the number could be.

But like, if you go look at Dad's Ford from 1982, he had this big square T-bird that he drove for Bud Moore. And how big the 15 was on the door? Huge. Covered the whole door, man. Well, yeah. 82. Yeah.

The year my wife was born. It's gigantic. Look at that. It's so big. How big that 15 is. What number are you? 15. Dude.

It's just. giant. If you had to ask me what bothers me the most about numbers, that we can have a 0-7 and a 7 out there on the track together. Oh, that don't bother me. It's the same number. I ran 0-3 in the streetstock series. That's stupid.

Because everybody wanted to be three. Everybody loved Dale Earnhardt in 1990. And you'd go to a fucking racetrack, and there'd be three number threes out there. You can't. You can only have one, three. I was, oh, three. That's dumb. We were 08 and 03.

That's ridiculous, Travis. It's okay. It bothers me to do. No end. Really? Yes. You know what bothers me is triple digits. Every now and then there's like a triple digit in some series somewhere.

And I know they probably do it a lot, I think, in a v. Supercar. Where do they do triple digits? Like dirt late models and stuff. I can't stand triple digits. Yeah, like I've seen, I think a lot of dirt's why. I'd be okay with that. Dirt's the Wild West of numbers.

You just run what you want. Double zero zero or double zero three or one. All those are good. Oh. Triple digits, no. 007. Oh, it's the 113. So Keselowski goes on stacking pennies last week.

We'd heard about this. We did. But they went on stack of pennies and went ahead and blew the lid off of the news. NASCAR is going to change the rules next year, adding 750 horsepower. Not adding an additional 750, but putting the cars from like, I guess, 680. 670 to 750. And so what do you think? I mean, it's progress.

It is progress. I'm good with it. So, yeah, I mean. I mean, everybody's been asking for it. Is it as much as maybe some people wanted? Probably not. But I think it's going to, yeah, it's going to definitely improve how the drivers feel about driving the car, right? Does it really change what the race looks like?

I don't think it, I don't think you're going to notice a. major difference. If you took them to Martinsville, right, and you ran back-to-back races, double-heder with both packages, maybe you see some subtle differences, maybe not. The drivers, though, are going to get out and say better things, right? That's also important. That's as important as anything else. Because the drivers have to support stuff for things to work. The drivers have to be positive. For things to be good, we need the drivers liking what they're doing.

And I think if you're going to give the horsepower back and hear some favorable comments from drivers, that's a win. I agree with that. Right? Even if it's not a ton. Yeah. Even if it's not a ton.

But again, it's in the right direction. And NASCAR, I guess Keselowski thinks NASCAR is just going to increase the size of the spacer. And I'm, yeah, I'm glad. So if you increase the size of the spacer, what will that change? Well, it basically puts more air and fuel into the intake and produces more power. So you're saying what these changes will do is whenever that driver rolls under the throttle, there's going to be more there to try to grip up.

There should be a lot more throttle, a lot more, little more throttle response, more up off the corner. Definitely a little more at the end of the straightway. but it's subtle. It's not going to be a massive big shift. And I don't know that they're doing this everywhere. Correct. So we'll see what the plan is. Yeah.

Also hearing a little rumor, there could be a little more practice back on the schedule next year. Practice. I think that I'm hearing this more so in Xfinity, that there's just conversations around should we, should we have more weekends there are more practice? I love that. I do do.

I think it absolutely will lean. lean on our budget as a team owner, but I think our drivers need it. Our truck drivers, our affinity drivers, they need the laps for them to be able to, you know, we've got a lot of guys that are going into these cars that haven't driven them before,

that are going to racetracks, they've never raced before, and they're getting 10, 20 minutes of practice. And we've heard from SVG about how difficult it's been for him to get up to speed with a limited amount of practice on the racetrack and how he's really not finding his commitment level and his comfort until the race is going. Shout out to him for his first top 10 and a old. Amazing job.

He's getting there. Dude, he's getting there. He's going to figure it out. And so, and he did that legit. Like he really drove. No, he did it. He earned that. He drove his ass up here.

He did. He was ahead of those wrecks. I saw that. Yeah. So more practice could be coming. It's a conversation, but I don't know that it's a done deal. but I would applaud, you know, going to a lot of these racetracks, at least getting 50 minutes, 45 minutes.

I don't like the group stuffing cup. I just think it should be an hour, let everybody practice the same time. I know because I don't like it either because the track changes. It does. The first group runs a certain speed, then the track slows down, and it's hard to really know who's good and who isn't.

It really is hard. And so you can't build storylines is you're a broadcaster or if you're anybody, if you're a fan, you can't really watch practice and learn exactly what you're trying to learn.

So I agree with you. I wish they would stop the group practices. Just practice together. Just practice together. It'd be better for the TV viewer too, I think. It's better for everybody. I'm sure there was a reason why they went to group practices,

but... I like the option to be able... They need to simplify it. Two sets of tires. You start on one set, and if you want to do a mock run, you can. Or you put dollar set in and see how you go again.

I like that idea. I don't know. You got to, I don't know if you want to toss in the idea of being able to make a mock run. I'm saying just give them two sets of tires. Some people are going to do it. If you have a rookie, if you have a rookie and you have an hour of long practice and two set tires,

you're probably going to make a mock run just because the guy's never done it before. It introduces a storyline? No, having to make changes. What does that really mean for the teams? Cool and cool, cool, cool down machines. What all has to be out? logistics of... Well, that stuff's already there.

All right. If it's already there, it's already there. It's not a big deal. Because they plug it in right after practice anyway. I'd rather a team owner, I mean, a crew chief come in here and tell me whether that's something

that's realistic and reasonable. When we do the 50-minute practices, some people do it already. Yeah. Okay. So you just got to... I like the idea of doing it because the cars that are good

or, you know what I mean? Like, you just get... It's more in a playbook. You got more to try, more to do. Yeah. Speaking of colleague, we, you know, knowing they're going to Dodge next year with the truck. This absolutely, obviously, I'm assuming jeopardizes or terminates their relationship with Chevrolet going forward with their Xfinity program, their Cup program. Yeah. I wonder what happens there. I wonder where all that settles.

Like where does Ty, what happens with Ty? Yeah. I think for Ty Dillon, it could put his ride in jeopardy. And he's had a good year. And he's done good. He has. So he's annoying on the racetrack. We've raced against him,

but it's because he just drives his ass off. And he doesn't give anybody. Like he don't give, he runs hard, and he doesn't give anybody an inch. Yeah. He expects to be run hard too. And I think that he's,

it's a, I don't want to call him, he's not desperate, but he's like, I got to go do this. I got to prove this. I need, I got to work harder to get noticed,

to get recognized, to get opportunity. And so I think he's done I think this year He's really He's impressed me He has

He's impressed me too Remember of the in race Bracket Challenge And all The story How he went through And did all of that Oh yeah

Damn damn I won it Yeah You know I know the statistics Don't really show it But He's 32nd Overall in points But if you would

If you would have asked me Where he was in points I wouldn't have said 32nd You know And how many races have we seen where this guy, we get a late restart and you see this guy like jump up there and go for it and send it and gain by six, eight spots in the final three laps to grab a top 25.

He ain't never, he's one of those guys that just doesn't give up. No, I think Ty has gotten that car. His day is never, he's finishing better than where the car should finish. And his day is, he's never, his day's never over. He's impressed me this year. He's finished better than I thought he would. He's more competitive every week, too. Yeah.

I wonder, though, because, you know, the relationship with colleague, RCR, all of that plays in. The 16th's been faster this year, too. I know, but all of that is linked to the Chevrolet deal. So be interesting to kind of follow and see how that follow, what the followout is there. Another little tidbit, this is something a little bigger. I've been on that playoff committee. We had our first meeting back in February. and this is just my opinion.

This isn't, you know, everybody that's been in this playoff committee has had maybe a little bit of a different experience each of us individually. But we started off then conversations. And all it was was, hey, we're getting everybody together. Let's just talk. Let's just talk, see what comes from this.

This is not a committee that's going to make a decision or come up, you know, if we do happen to come up with some great ideas, those may be utilized, but we're not going to be the group that, makes the final decision. And I kind of felt like, you know, yeah, I can be involved. And I have to accept the fact that I know that most of my thoughts and opinions may not make the final, you know, the final result. That's okay.

But it was going to be an interesting thing to be a part of it and hear what everybody had to say and see how it worked. And, man, there's been a ton of conversation around this. How much influence does TV have? Some say some. Some say a lot. Some say none. As we've went through this whole process, I've learned that TV has them, that TV does not like being considered as someone who has influence.

Yeah, because fans are, I feel like they think fans are coming at them and they're like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Fans don't be mad at us. All that is absolutely true. So they don't, they're like, whoa, whoa, whoa, we don't need to be in the business of influencing the sport on how they're going to do their deal. So they've withdrawn a bit to, and taking them. the position of NASCAR will make that call and we will be good with that, right?

Do I think that that is entirely true? No, because I don't, I don't, TV can say that and they can actually believe that. But if I'm NASCAR and you wrote me that check, I'm calling you. Hey man, you good with this. This is what we're thinking, you know, wouldn't you do that? Why would you not do that? Yeah, that would be done. You want your partner to be happy.

I'm going to call them and go, hey, man. I'm not made the decision yet, but this is kind of where we're headed. How you feel about that? But anyways, when we started the meetings at the beginning of the year, the mere mention of a 36 race full season points deal, that was really pretty taboo. And it was understood kind of early on that we were not probably going to do that. they let that they let that choice be part of the we did some polls right within our group like what do you like the most the least what would you prefer in terms of a of a of a 10 race how would you like it to be three three four whatever you know and there were all these options they always kept that 36 full season format as an option like they didn't take it off the table but it was pretty much

understood that, yeah, we're probably not getting there. There's no real point in doing that. Let's try to work on something that meets in the middle. I will say out of the gate, Mark Martin was full throttle. As he's been on social media, that's why he's been in those meetings. The entire time. This is what people are telling me. This is what I believe.

This is what fans want, young and old. I'm getting it from all sides. He's been really pushing for us to sort of revert back to something similar to what we used to have forever. And I felt, you know, and we had more meetings, some, a lot of emails, you know, a lot of things happening throughout the season. And all the while, there was a giant public conversation happening online in Reddit and on X and whatever, right? There's a big debate on podcasts and everything. So there's this long conversation happening all year alone. We finally come to this final sort of gathering of the committee.

and they put basically the results from the very first poll that we took in February on the screen. And there were three results. And it was like the original, what we have now, who likes it, who wants to keep it, who wants it to change? A proposed different playoff with multiple races in the final round, and then at the bottom of the 36 race full season. season. And in February, with the committee, which is a, I would say the committee's got 40, 50 people on it. I could be wrong. It could be less than that. Could be more. I don't really know. But there's a lot. There's a lot of us. In the first meeting in Daytona, there was probably 25 people in the room and another 10 people on or 8 or 10 people online on Zoom.

Can you sign up to be in there or what? I mean, I don't know. Invite only. Yeah, I think so. So in the first poll that we took, it was mostly everybody saying, yes, we need to change it. Yes, I would think a multiple race final round would be good. And then it was, you know, kind of, you know, a lot of people saying, I like what it is. And then very few people saying 36 race full season. I was one of the people that was saying, you know, full season is best. But I understand it's very unlikely. So if we can't have that, I go with the multiple race in the final round.

Well, they put that slide up on the screen in the final meeting that we just had and said, that's the question. Has anybody's opinion swayed from what you're seeing on the screen now? This is where you all voted earlier. And now we've, you know, six months later, has anybody? And boy, was I surprised with what came next? obviously myself I said hey

as the seasons went on I've grown more confident in my feelings about the full season point system I was hesitant to really stand beside it and push it earlier

because I didn't think it had a chance but honestly I can say at the end of this deal that's still the best way to do it there were a couple

other drivers that all chimed in in agreements and then there were some media members that I honestly never thought I'd hear say, hey, I didn't feel this way at the start of the year, but now I got to admit, 36 full season points is definitely the best way to do it. It's the best way to do it.

I mean, they basically all were like, there was three or four of them saying, yep, you got me. I mean, I never thought I'd feel this way, but it's honestly, it's the best. We went around and around, and we've had millions of conversations, and there's a lot of people having a lot of conversations the entire season. And I honestly feel like that that's probably the best way to do it. And I was like, holy shit. And then, and even when that meeting was over, even when that meeting ended, I would say at the start of the year,

a full season points deal had about a 2% chance. By the end of that meeting, I thought, man, it's got about a 30% chance, 40% chance. It's still low, still unlikely. But man. That's a big number, though. I was like, I really am surprised that everybody was willing to be that honest and transparent about it.

But we still left the meeting thinking that in my feelings were, when we left the meeting, like, you know, we hear you, but man, it's just too big of a move. It might be too far for us to shift. And then Adam Sterre retweeted, I think, an article by Jeff Gluck. It says NASCAR is now seriously weighing the possibility of drastically overhauling the playoffs or doing away with them altogether. The mere chance of going back to a 36 race schedule determining the series champion.

Marks a dizzying turnaround. So when that popped up, I thought, dude, Adam Stern don't tweet. Yeah, he's usually pretty. He don't tweet just a nonsense. Yeah. He don't tweet hoping a prayer. I thought, holy crap. So old luck, not only did he, you know, say his true feelings in the meeting itself,

but, and I was one of the guys that I thought I would never hear say, yeah, 36 races is probably the best way to go. And I think the world's Jeff. But just didn't think he'd ever feel that way. And because he's really lived a lot of, he's lived a lot of his experience in these, you know, in the sport with the playoffs and some without. But when Adam tweeted that, I thought, damn, man, maybe it's more than 30%. Maybe it's got, has it got real?

Legs? Is it really? Something that actually is being uttered in the building in NASCAR and down in Daytona? Are they really, really considering that? I would be, I would have, I would have, oh man, I just still can't believe that. I mean, it, it blows my mind that they're truly possibly considering it? Considering it, I would say yes. I still don't believe it's going to have that.

I don't either. I mean, there's, we're higher than I thought. All right. So let me ask you this then. Would it be fair? I always have a hard time judging the true weight of a conversation, a public conversation that's going on in social media, right? It's hard to judge.

It is hard to judge. And I often find myself mistakenly thinking something. are a bigger deal than they are. And so what it's made me do over the years is sort of really be conservative, more conservative on whether I really want to weigh in on something because I'm not sure if it's really that big of a conversation. Yes, it's happening on, yes, I'm seeing it. Yes, some people are talking about it.

Yes, there's a Reddit conversation around it. But is it really a big deal? Is it really something that's happening in the industry? Is it something that industry folks care or are discussing? And this is one of those things. We don't really know how serious NASCAR themselves are truly contemplating the change. But now that this has sort of been teased as having some even a sliver of hope, have we not seen a very large majority of people excited about that?

I know there are the ones that are saying there's no reason to go there. and you're going to have a, you know, there are the people that are... It's always going to be there. That are saying that, you know, well, you know, we're going to have the... We're going to have the, you know, the championship locked up before the last raise. Then you're going to be mad. But I feel like, from what I've seen, that there is a giant, large majority of people that really would prefer it. So let me ask you a question about this that I was thinking about.

Are you not... You said you'd be mad. Are you more mad that a guy builds a big enough lead that he has a championship locked up before the last race? Or are you more mad that a mid-packed car gets a random victory during the season off the wall and races for a championship against cars that have outrun them all year? Isn't that, I mean, that's the two things, right? You got mad when they get mad when Lugano wins. Those are not the only two flaws.

Well, I'm just saying, like, people are the biggest complaints. If you want me to choose between one or the other, I'm absolutely completely, completely, fine with a guy winning the championship early. It's just like a guy winning by 10 seconds. He earned it. He earned it. Like SVG goes out to Mexico and won by 16 seconds or something.

Yeah, like four minutes. I don't know. Yeah. I mean, it's fine. They had a race. They threw the green. They threw the checkered and a guy kicked everybody by his ass. Cars have won by laps back in the day. If you haven't won with five races to go, kudos to you. I don't. It's not bothering me at all.

Me neither. But, you know, so there, I would choose that. But I'm really wondering how, like, it's, you can't, you know, looking, I can't do a poll. I can't put a poll up. Everybody's, it's going to buy, it's going to sway toward one side, right? So, like, where could we go to get a genuine opinion on where the core, hardcore fans at? Do you know a media's account? No.

I think they know what I think And they're that's still going to sway it We'll put vote with your heart not what Bill wants Well I think that's a more fair poll If you put it up from mirrors it's going to be Dirty Mo could probably put a poll up I just wonder like I guess I'm wondering

Yeah truly like From what I've seen some people Some polls that have been put up And polls aren't official And it is a corner of the internet But it's like under 60%, but over 50, would love 36 races.

I think the amount of people that like what we have is in the teens, low 20s, and then a format that has a multi-race final round is in the 30s, high 30s. I'll tell you what, they better make a change, though. They can't stick with... Oh, no, they're changing it. The change is coming. The change is coming, but what are we going to...

Are we going to love a move... After this truly getting teased, like no one ever thought 36 races was ever coming back. Same way we didn't think Wilkesboro was coming back. Well, now that it's like Adam Stern's retweeting, you're getting people's hopes up. You are. You're getting people's hopes up. It's just like the, you know, and what's going to happen is when they do reveal that it's a 3-3-4, right, a four-race final round with six drivers, everybody's going to go, well, some people will be happy.

I will be relieved that it's changed, but a lot of people, myself included, are going to be disappointed. It's not 36 races. Because I didn't, and I wouldn't feel that way in February because I didn't think 36 was ever coming back. But now that I've gotten this idea

that 36 really might have some sliver of hope relieves the right word. People aren't going to be ecstatic with the change. They're going to split, well, it's better than what we've got. Well, with NASCAR's issues with ratings, do they need to, is relieved good enough? No. So, but are you, is it possible that the decline in ratings has been something that's convinced NASCAR

that maybe that hell Mary is worth it? So I was thinking, I was thinking that the shift from where we are today all the way to a full season point system was too risky. Even though I believed in the 36 full season race, even if I believed in it, it's a risky, risky big shit. But there's, what are we risking now? We have nothing to lose. What are we risking?

It's not like the guy that wins it doesn't deserve it. A couple weeks ago in New Hampshire, we had nearly Xfinity numbers in terms of viewership. I haven't seen this week's. I guess they'll be out today. But I remember we were at the 600 for the Amazon race, and we've got a 2-2, and we're disappointed. And now we're getting a 1-7-1-8 every other week.

And in the playoffs. In the playoffs. And so have they gotten to the point to where there is nothing to lose, nothing to risk? I don't know. And maybe you're getting horsepower back. Practice maybe? Could be getting some practice back.

Are we starting to say, hey, you know, that, you know, the changes that we made that we had to make through COVID and so forth and the changes we made to the sport over the last 20 years. Is it time to look at the trends and go, all right, all right, we got to make a big move here, right? Because the next gen car was brought in with a lot of excitement. A lot of modern technology, that hasn't really been something that's driven ratings. So the car hasn't, the new car hasn't affected the ratings in a positive way, I would say. You know, so what is it?

I don't, I don't, I don't bull. I mean, we talk, that people will talk about football. Listen, man, football's been around a long time. We had great numbers back in the day going up against football. I'm not leaving the room because football's in it. Are you telling me that, well, we can't compete with football, so let's just leave the room? I agree with you. What are we're going to run from football all our lives?

Exfinity's numbers are going against college. Pretty freaking amazing. Yeah, you can't be like, oh, well, football's on Sunday week. Let me tell you, when they announced this Xfinity deal, we were all scared. We didn't know how much we were going to lose. and when we lose a couple hundred thousand or, you know, on our viewership, our sponsors come calling. They want to dial it back because, man, the viewership ain't there,

the numbers ain't there, the engagement ain't there. But this has been amazing. It's been awesome with the CW this year. And the product on the track is pretty good. But I don't think we need to end the season sooner, get away from football, all that mess. Like, yes, football's kicking ass right now. Great.

I'm a massive fan. NFL watch all the time. But we always have been too. But I'm not running, I'm not leaving the room. Because football, they're going to do what a hell they won't. All the time. Right. If they want to start a little sooner, boy, they're going to start a little sooner.

We're going to move again? If they've been talking about extending their season, are we going to move the Daytona 500, get out of their way? I do think if the Super Bowl is on the Daytona 500, NASCAR needs of, that would be the one time I would say, okay, you've got to not fight against football. But every other Sunday you can't just run away. Yeah. I mean.

Would you, I mean, this is getting in the weeds, but if the Daytona 500 started at noon on Sunday and then the Super Bowl was that night, would you skip the 500? Or would you not go, holy shit, what a fucking awesome sports day this is? What a day of this is. Holy shit. We used to... You might actually get more viewers for the 500 because the Super Bowl is that night. Listen, I just wanted to make that...

Imagine if they're both in Florida. I kept hearing the football, you know, the NFL, and we need to move out of their way, and we need to end our season. I don't buy that bullshund. We aren't doing great right now, but we don't need to leave the room. We need to get our shit together,

and we need to make our way back, you know, towards some respectable numbers while still, you know, racing whenever the hell we feel like racing. I do think the time slot of the races could be tweaked maybe, but that's just my idea. Well, they were tweaked in an effort, I believe, to try to give them the best numbers they could. And I don't know how well that's worked out either. Yeah, but.

But what do I? I'm no expert with that. I ain't either. There are some people that are, and apparently they felt like that that was the right move to make. Rodney Childer's hired by Junior Motorsports. We'll be the crew chief for Carson Quappell next year. also Connor Ziltsch is going to drive that car I thought this is an awesome opportunity

me and Rodney have grown up together him and his brother and I were in the same class same grade we got a picture with his brother oh really I didn't know that at my Jason I have a picture from my graduation I think it's the only picture that I have of that day and it's with Jason and so I would go over to Rodney's house man

he'd pop in some VHS tapes of his go-kart racing, man. We'd sit there and watch him race go-karts, and he'd be like, you know, he won everything. Hell of a driver. And when he started racing late models, I'd go over to his shop, check out his shit, see what it's going on. And he got into crew chiefing. We stayed, you know, connected. He used to ride around him, my S-10 pickup truck when I was 16, 17 years old, being goofballs, you know. He'd come on to podcast.

We talked all about that. So this is awesome to actually have opportunity to bring him in to what I think is a place where he'll fit in perfectly. He's a racer. We know each other well. He's going to come in here and want to do an amazing job. So I think he'll be a great asset to us. The reaction to that was great, but there was a lot of people that were taken aback that Carson's not going to be full time next year. And listen, you know, it's we're trying to figure out.

You know, we're trying to figure out how to keep four cars on the racetrack. It's, uh, there's a, there's a chunk of money that it takes to get that down, that going and going down the road. Um, the support that Carson has had financially changed a bit. Um, and, you know, it's, it's put us in this position that where he won't be able to run every single race. but he's going to run a large majority of the season and all of the races in the playoffs. And so privately, you know, this isn't a junior motorsports initiative, but me personally, my goal then is to try to figure out, all right, how do I get him in another car in the races he's not with us? So that should he win, which I think he should, and working with Rodney,

should, you know, put him in a good position to maybe go out there and get the success that we think he's capable of getting. if he does that, I need him to be able to compete for the championship, right? So how do we, now it's a shift to like, all right, how do we feel these few races in the season he's going to miss when Conner's in the car so that he's still eligible? Should he go out and win in our car, he's eligible as a playoff driver? And so that's kind of the next move that I'm actively trying to science out. You know, I've, you know, it, we took, it took us, we spent a lot of our own money.

I spent a lot of my own money over the course of 10 years to try to get Josh Barry his opportunity. And even to go full time with him, you know, was a commitment from me personally. And so, you know, there's, but there is a, but there is a, there's like a, you know, there's a balance to that. You know, you can't, you can't go out of business, you know. And so you have to make the right, you have to make everything make sense. And we didn't have to wait 10 years racing Carson and the cars tour and in late model stocks for him to get his chance.

And he had a full season this year. And I feel like with the pieces that we're moving around and the development that we're going to do within our race teams with Rodney coming in. I'm putting Carson in a really good spot to go win and prove what he can do. And if, yeah, so I'm excited about, you know, seeing how that can pan out next year. And, yeah, things are going to look a little different for us next year. And it all, it's the way the Xfinity series kind of works between all four of our cars. These programs and how we figure out who's driving what and where is all year to year.

And it is a ton of work to figure it out and to put all the pieces in the right place to be able to say, all right, we got the funding to go do all this. And so it's going to be fun. We're going to go out there. We're going to be in great position to be able to go win some races next year. it's still a great opportunity for Carson I see it as the same I saw it's a great opportunity

yeah I do too I know there's there's more to it than I can share with his particular program that makes me very very excited and I think when you know all of this kind of comes to light people will see that we actually you know we're making

all the effort we can to give him the best opportunity to go out there and succeed. And so, I mean, we wouldn't even have him in the car if we didn't feel like we wouldn't be doing a part-time deal and we didn't feel like he was the one. You know, there's other kids out there with, you know, with benefits and financial support that are appealing,

you know, that could come in here and be a part of this program. But I, you know, I and several other people here really want to see this through. with Carson and feel like that he can go out there and prove it out. Well, I feel like it's big for you as well because it proves Josh Barry, Carson Quaple, like the stepping stones that they've taken to get to this level are the right, the right ways. Carson's got a room full of trophies. Josh has got room full of trophies and championships and stuff, which is what you should have.

People were just disappointed that he wasn't going to be full time and what did he do wrong. He didn't do anything wrong and it wasn't, you know, it was just a big shift in some financial stuff. and we were very, very lucky, in my opinion, to be able to get him as many races as he's going to get next year. He got added races last year for it too, so he got more than, you know what I mean? So he's in a good spot. Yeah.

So I think that he can do it. All of our other cars are in good shape. I've seen some great, great improvement from my guy, Sammy Smith. You know, we had that deal at Martinsville earlier this year where he kind of made a bowl. own head move. Ever since then, guys worked really hard.

He had a great run this past weekend at Kansas, great speed in his car. The 7 car was super fast this weekend. Zillich ended up with a great result, but just a little bit off comparable to how they've been running. Yeah, second. It's way off. I mean, he's just off a little.

Everybody saw it. It's noticeable. Yeah. It was a big trouble. It's still a good weekend. Brandon Jones coming out with a win. Yeah, it's good for. Yeah. Yeah, good to see Brandon run good.

You know, Brandon was here for a couple years, and we tried to make that deal work, but, yeah, for whatever reason. I mean, he felt like he's in a better spot at JGR, and that's proven out. He's got him a couple wins this year. Darlington, a really hard racetrack to win. He's great at Kansas. So, good to see him get to win and move through. Butterbean had a good weekend. Butterbean did run good. I'm kind of waiting for that. So, you know, he's, I think Butterbean is one of those guys that's got, you know, he's got a little financial. support behind him. He's got a little short runway to be able to get this done before that financial support

is probably doing it. Yeah, he's doing it. So he looked, I watched him in the Xfinny race and he can do it. Like he didn't look out of place. He had a little bit he can do it. He qualified, he had a good group for qualifying, he went out early because he's never, doesn't have any, that car

was way down or whatever in point. So he had a good qualifying time to go out, ended up qualifying really well. but he raced. Yeah. Good. The change, the difference in the tire that he's been running. Oh my gosh. All his life, even in ARCA, to what he's on in this truck and this Xfinity car is completely different.

Trying to get used to the radial. He's got a very, very narrow window of forgiveness. So once he really gets that understood, Butterbean has the ability and talent to be very, very successful in NASCAR. He's adapting very quickly. He does. And you need to do that. Yeah.

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then a wall of die casts. And I see a lot of different ones. I see some 22 Penske. I see, you know, this is, there's some of my... 88. There's some of mine. Oh, yeah, he's got a whole shelf there. Oh, that's a wall.

That's a whole rack of a shelf. A whole rack of eight. And I see some Tony Stewart's in there. Nope. No. Is that a case? Cain. Steal me.

No, still me. Yeah. Steal me. Oh, more of me. He always got the, um, towers. Mm-hmm. Gotta love those. A lot more uniforms.

Whoa. What are those? Oh, look that the case. That case right there's awesome. That's an old school case, too. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

A lot of Ralph Earnhardt up there on the top. up there on the top. Just in case. Yeah, I saw that. Yeah. Lots. Old DBC shirt. There you go.

Doorbubble clear. So that's one of the original shirts that I made. Yeah, Del Yes shirt. This is a great collection. $500. Bradley. And maybe we're a little biased. He had a lot of Earnhardt Jr.

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and that's why I go to Xfinity Wi-Fi. Fast-dependable internet. One price locked in for five years. No contracts, no slowdowns, no nonsense. Xfinity is a proud premier partner of NASCAR. Let's get right to it. Yeah, this first question is from Zach. Did y'all see Tristan McKee

Hooking Sam Yarbrough And what did you guys make of that move at Martinsville? Yeah, I think when it initially happened Like the moment it happened I was furious Sam has raced in late models At Myrtle Beach in Florence for years He races for a guy named Robert Elliott

We bought a car from Robert Elliott In the 90s that Kelly would use to race I raced against Robert a lot at Myrtle Beach in the 90s. And they're good folks. Sam's good people. Also part of that team is Chad McCombie.

Awesome, awesome racer. I thought I saw him. Yeah. They're all really, really good folks, just good hard racers. And Sam's not aggressive. But actually, you know, I reached out to some folks

that work with Tristan and asked him to have a conversation. He came by the house. house yesterday. Oh, yeah. Nice. So we spent about 30 minutes just talking about, you know, Sam and his, his past and his history and trying to understand how McKee needs to take care of his competitors. He says, look, I made a mistake. I was trying to get down. I didn't want to be in the outside lane. I was nothing, nothing had happened in the corner before Sam had not touched him. And I was like, all right, so if Sam hadn't done anything,

then you weren't reacting with, you know, some intentional, but why did you stay in the gas? You know, you hook him and you throttle up and just turn him around. I'm like, you could have saved him. And I was like, those are the things that you got to learn as a young driver to know, like,

hey, I got to take care of my competitors on the racetrack. So I think McKee is very talented. And a lot of people believe he's got the talent. Absolutely. And he's young. And he's just got to take better, care of his competitors as he moves up through the ranks.

And he doesn't want to, you know, develop this reputation, right, that would be hard to shed. And it's still young enough to where I think he can go out there. I thought he did a great interview after the wreck. He said, I made a mistake. It wasn't on purpose. I messed up. He said, you know, the spot or this, that and other, I'm like, hey, man, you're in the car. You seem right there.

The spot are nothing. There was a gap. Well, he just, you know, he's just, I told him, I said, look, you know, you can fix this. We need a little space between. Yeah, Hickory wasn't that long ago. Yeah, because he had a problem with the next one. Mini Tirel at South Boston weekend before, right? Hickory earlier this year.

Hickory early this year, he got blamed for that. I don't know whether that was all him. There's just a lot of guys racing and wrecking and cars out of control. Damn, spotter again. Spotter, probably. It just, when you're, when, if you're going to race hard, you've got to kind of know kind of when to fight these battles and when to say, hey, I got my ass kick today.

And it's just, you know, and he's just not kind of gotten there yet. And he's, he's going to, in every situation such as, you know, Hickory or more so in South Boston, like, he's that guy that's going to overdo it, overdrive it, over send it, and get up the racetrack into your door and, you know, do those kind of things where you, you know, you wish you'd see him kind of start to learn. and maybe you make the adjustments without taking away his talent or his drive, right?

But that thing at the Martinsville, coupled with everything else, is a absolute, like, red flag, like, gosh, you know, okay, some aren't mistakes, but this is, that's not good. You got to take better care of your, I don't want to say teammates, but you're, you know, in the late model world,

we are all like kind of teammates. And especially in our tour, you know, we don't want to see our guys destroying their cars because they need, we need them to come to the next race. We need them to be able to afford to come to the next race and not have to be repairing damage and all that stuff. So in my eyes, a perfect race weekend for us in our series is everybody races all night long, no damage, great finish, go home, right? That's what you want. And so as a driver, you want the guys out, you want all the guys out there, even these, young guys coming in. We want them to come here. We want them to try to learn their racecraft. We want them to get mentored by some of the older drivers in the series.

But we need them to understand, like, you've got to let your competitor live for the next race, especially at that level of racing. Because everybody's there, not for the financials. Everybody's there because they want to be there. And no one's making money. We're all losing money at the grassroots level, you know. And you justify what it costs to do it because of how much you love it, you know. But if you're always getting wrecked or crashed, you know, by inexperienced drivers, it can be very, very frustrating and difficult to be able to go out there on Monday, fix it, and go to the next race.

Yeah. For everybody. That's a good point. Pushing a kid too fast right now, like he's 15. And, you know, Sam, in Sam's interview, I heard him say, he needs to go ahead and get on out of here and go to ARCA or whatever already. You know, when do you think a driver should graduate from, like, the car store? Man, I wasn't allowed to race streetstocks until I got my driver's license.

When I was in the 90s, I could race legends cars at 15 or even younger, but I couldn't race a full-bodied car. I couldn't get a NASCAR license to drive any class at the Concord Speedway, which had four-cylinder streetstocks, couldn't drive anything without a driver's license. So you had to have the driver's license to get the NASCAR license. Do you remember when you first got your NASCAR license?

Your first one, do you remember that? Was it a big deal to you? Had to be a big deal then, right? Yeah. But I mean, it was, you had that, there was some pretty, you know, everybody can also remember, you know, Kyle Busch, you know, having to skip truck races

because of his age. When we knew he was more than capable of even going in and winning these races, right? And so, I mean, the age thing, at times, you know, you'll have drivers that you're like, man, I want to see them out on the racetrack, but they're just not old enough to be there. And those were some good restrictions to have more often than not. And now we have, you know, 12-year-olds racing pro late models, big, full-sized cars that, you know, it's become normal to have these young kids and these, you know,

know, 450 horsepower, you know, left-handed chassis and late model stocks, even. So I don't know where I really fall there, but, I mean, 15, I think, you know. Solid age to. Yeah, yeah, he can be out there racing, but he's got to get, what he really needs is people telling him, like, hey, you can't be doing that, you know, even though it was a mistake, he's got to be told that that mistake can happen, even though it was a mistake doesn't make it okay. It doesn't absolve him because that, you know,

there's some serious repercussions to the guy that got turned around there. So it, I'm sure that, you know, there's going to, that's, you know, there's a lot of drivers are going to come through the series. They're going to always need a little. And I told him, I said, you know, I could go to the race weekend. I could go to Tri-Calis weekend and make. a mistake. Any one of us, we're all going to make mistakes, you know, but you just got to try to

avoid them as often as possible. And he's like, man, I was cutting it close. I'm trying to get down. I'm like, you can't cut it close, right? It wouldn't hurt you to run another hundred feet down the straightaway and blend in behind him, you know, in a turn one. Yeah. Try again.

Yeah. Yeah. To, too urgent. Too, too much, too much, I guess, anxiety and so forth going on in that little man's head driving that car you know even the best make mistakes like yeah look at this weekend Travis I mean yeah look at Brad pitting twice oh wow wow that was weird even the best even champion like championship champions like Brad yep can make the mistakes champions like Brad champions yeah um this next question is it's a popular one I've seen it a bunch

on Twitter Facebook uh we are at the two-week mark from the release of NASCAR 25. How excited are you guys? How do you feel like the momentum's built since the announcement of the release? Yeah, I'm excited. I can't wait for people to get it. I want to hear what they have to say about the career mode.

Me and TJ worked really hard on parts of that. We did a lot of filming in here. Yep. I think we did 40, 50 sort of scenarios. It's a lot. Yeah. Just different things that could happen to you. I like the traction that it's getting.

Yeah, I mean, I'm here. the drivers and... I'm apprehensive until they actually have the product and can use it to really hear. Because right now it's all just like speculation. So when they... I think what my process is to like they get the product and then I start writing down everything that they wish it was different or don't like, right? And it ain't going to be a home run for everybody.

There'll be some things that they wish were they. there that aren't there. Of course. And so, like, it's, you know, right out of the gate, it's time to start making a list. Because the idea is, is this is a franchise that's going to go, you know, year after year after year after year. And so what are the things that come into the next download, the DLCs and, you know, the next 26. Yeah. Right.

Yeah. So that's the stuff that you kind of got to, you got to start thinking about. It's like, all right. when the product's finished, all the effort goes to like, you know, whatever patches need to come down the road and fixes need to happen immediately

and then start sort of developing the plan for the next... Yeah, the next game. Think about how many patches, like a big game like NCAA, even the big ones are even patching. Madden gets them too. These, like, people that are expecting a perfect game.

Well, I mean, yeah, there'll be some things that they discover. I'm not so much thinking about that. Of course, you know, of course, you don't want to have any. major bugs that you know that you didn't perceive happening but I'm more anxious to like hear like what's what what what is not there that they were hoping you know what's not in there that they hoped would be in there they were wishing that would be in there and that's the stuff that

you got to go right can we make that possible like they're asking for this let's see what what what we can do for the next you know the next game so I'm I'm I'm looking forward to the release starting to get the feedback can't wait for that All right, we got time for one more question from Daniel. This is an interesting one. Would you rather never get hungover or never have to deal with traffic ever again? What? Would you rather never get a hangover?

Hangover or deal with traffic? Huh. I don't mind traffic. So, boy, I'd give up the hangover, I guess. I'd rather get rid of that traffic, man. sucks. I don't care. I can turn on the radio.

Yeah, I would rather not have a hangover. He don't even drink. TJ, you don't. TJ, you don't have to give up the hangovers because you don't even get this. Just get in a traffic man and enjoy, you know, two beers. You and I can hang out.

I can remember some pretty bad hangover. When was your last thingover, TJ? It's been a little while. But I remember, listen, there's been times when the saloon got built when they got bad. because we didn't leave it 2 a.m. from places. We left it.

The sun would be able to. Call the sun's up. We should probably go to bed now. We didn't go to bed when the bar closed. We went to the saloon. Which was rough. Yeah. Yeah, it was.

But, man, you think, like, leaving a racetrack? TJ, you're not like a concerts. Traffic? Traffic doesn't bother me. Rush hour. Not really. No. It's like my biggest pet peeve.

Really? Oh, I can't stand it. I will say. I can fight a hangover. Yeah. I can't fight a hangover. I mean, I don't know. I just.

I just get on my ways and find me another route. Well, what if there isn't? Like, say you're going from Mooresville to Charlotte. There's one route, man. And if it's backed up, you're screwed. Let me ask you this. It drives me crazy. If you were hung over in traffic, which one would you get rid of?

Oh, the hango. You're right. The worst is if you're on a road trip and you've got to drive like six hours hungover. Then that's the answer. That's a good point. Yeah. You're just like, fuck. I just want to get home and go to bed.

Oh, man. Yeah, and you would get home quicker if you didn't have traffic. No, because even if there's not traffic, it's... When you're out of traffic, it's gone. Hangovers can last. Man. It's not fun. I think you've pulled me over to your side.

No hangover sign? Yeah. I'm team traffic. I don't want a hangover. Traffic I do with every day in my life. Yeah, I'm on bail side now. Damn it. Got one more question?

Come on one more. Just going to hang out. Travis told me the one more question. That was the one more question? No, we got to do one more. I'll be quick. I won't ramble. Let's see.

Okay, this one's from Kenneth. Wyatt had a huge weekend. Yeah, won a championship. Yes, what's your reaction to that? Oh, it's awesome. I mean, Wyatt's doing race. Riot's racing everything. Everything.

Yeah. Run some limited late models this year, a little bit of that. Probably going to do some more of that next year. I think I saw something like a 17 race schedule for him on the, on the late model limited late model stuff. He still runs Chad Boats cars, midgets and sprint cars and so forth. I think he actually tested,

what is it, the 360? 360. A sprint car? Yeah, what is it? Well, there's 360 Sprint cars. Yeah, I think he tested a 360 full winged sprint car. Oh, yeah. Yeah, like a week ago or two.

He's getting into that. Man. And this was trucks, like they got the Pro 2 to, he's in a spec class. And they race in the Midwest all the way out in California. They were in California. So he's all over, this kid's living it. Yeah.

He doesn't, he's like homeschooled and racing. That's a lot. Full time. Yeah, pretty nice. He's going to be a very diverse driver. He's doing everything. And he's good at it. Like he won, you know, we put him in a limited car and he exceeded what I thought he'd do,

went to Hickory and won a couple races. So he's just got a knack. I think his dad LWs with his racing history and stuff just knows kind of... The path. How to take him through this route to become good. That's awesome. Well, congratulations to Wyatt,

and that'll be a good place for my passion. I'm glad Kelly's very happy that we mentioned Wyatt today. He deserves his flowers. All right, everybody. I appreciate y'all tuning in. I hope y'all enjoyed getting with us today on Asch Jr. Thanks for supporting everything we do here.

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Plus, we're going to dig back into his racing career and see how all that went. It will be very entertaining with you. Yeah, he's entertaining. You don't even know. Oh, I don't. So we'll see y'all later. Place your bets, ladies and gentlemen. Place your bets.

All right, so it's time for another segment of Dirty Mo Doe here, brought you by Fanduel. And Russell is here. Tim's is also here, old Tampa Timms. Tampa Tims. We got a great. We got a great. Good amount of stuff to talk about. Man, I had a crappy weekend in college football and the NFL.

I had so many parlays that were like one leg short. Did your 18 leg one hit? One leg. Wow. 17 hit, one leg didn't. And I forget who it was. It was like ridiculous that this team lost. Yeah.

I forget who it was. Fuck now. All of my, yeah, all of my, I put an 18. game parlay together and I think the best odds any of those games had was like $6.50. Minus $6.50. Oh my God. Yeah.

You know it made me the most money and I don't know if it's frowned upon. I faded America and a lot of golf over the weekend and Europe made me some money. It's a good decision actually. I have all the notes from last week so we can dive into how we all did at Kansas this weekend. Not well. Not good.

No, we struggled pretty hard. T.J. got Keselowski right i got hamlin right Tims and Russ did not do good at all so our nobody got a nobody got a parlay for manufacture parlay should we just quit doing it

maybe we can now we got five weeks left maybe don't parlay it yeah it's so hard man that's so hard to hit it is very hard but if it does it's going to be good well just saying it I mean that's how it works is that analysis well hey you know let's not

give up. All right. So let's go on into the Roval here. We have SVG as the favorite at only minus 105. I'm kind of surprised by that? I do, yeah.

I mean, would you bet him? I think you'd have to bet him at that number. Yes, I still bet him in that number. What number would you not? What would it be at where you're like, nope? Oh, man, probably like minus 150 at this point. I mean, but he's so good. You can't not.

So Russell, I mean, is we've seen SVG. So I was, let's say this. All right. SVG comes into the sport, kicks everybody's ass at Chicago. We go to a few more road courses and he kind of looked regular. And we thought, oh, well, you know, the reason why is because, you know, all of our guys run Watkins Glen. They got a lot of laps there and he can't go to Watkins Glen and beat him. Well, this year, he's done just that.

He's beat them everywhere. So, you know, what makes people think that now he's going into the Roval and he's somewhat, you know, why are they minimizing, I suppose, what he might be able to accomplish there? I don't think he can minimize him. He's won the last four road course races and three of them from the pole. He won the poll there last year in the Colleg 13 car too. So I just, there's just no stopping this guy in my opinion. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, I just think when you're looking at the number at minus 105, it just feels like that they don't have as much confidence going into this one as maybe what he's kind of shown in all the other races. So it just, it feels like maybe people are looking at the playoffs and thinking it might be just a bit of a tougher battle or a tougher win for him. Yeah, but he can do whatever he wants just to win. Like he has to worry about nothing

else but winning. Like the other guys have to still flip stages. Yeah, good point. flipping stages and all that stuff. All right. So I am not going to leave him out of my parlay. I'm going to put SVG as my Chevrolet. What are you guys going to do at your Chevrolet spot? SVG. Is everybody going SVG? Oh, yeah. If I lose, that's fine.

Live or die by SVG. Yeah. All right. Who are some other drivers that can challenge SVG coming into the roble? For me, it's Bell. He's been top two and four of the last six road course races. He's runner up here last year. He's the standout for me for Toyota.

Yes, sir. I like Bell. I'll take Bell as my manufacturer for Toyota. Anybody want to do a Toyota manufacturer? I'll do Bell. What about Reddick? Do you don't feel like he can... I feel like he's the only other...

Well, not only other, but he would have the next best chance, but he's like must win. I'm going Redick. I'm going Redick because I feel like Bell, Bell's pretty comfortable, isn't he? He is. So I feel like Bell just lays up here if he can, not really push the issue. Reddick can be aggressive, and this is do or die for him. So I'll roll with Reddick. Russell.

But Bell can clinch before, like, he can clinch after stage one. So, like, he's going to have no real points issue. Yeah, but you don't want to create. you don't want to create anything. He doesn't want any conflicts going forward, so is he really going to push the issue? You know what I mean? If Russell, if Reddick is in a must win,

then he is also in the same sort of boat that SVG is in terms of flipping stages, not having to stay out there for those points. Correct. So it kind of puts him in a favorable spot, I think, to leapfrog a few of his, you know, Toyota teammates. And I think Bell's type of guy that plays good with him too.

doesn't have to win, just has to beat Bell, and that would, you know, if Bell has to, other Toyotas as well, Denny and so forth, but, you know, a lot of these guys are probably going to be doing, at least, you know, if they can, stand out to get stage points in at least one stage. And if it pushes a guy like Legano out, I think there's probably going to be some, hey guys, let's decide to get one of us in if we can to get this guy out. man I don't know we thought we saw that last week we didn't um wow yeah I think I don't I think bell and them play nicer in this situation than what the other guy I just think the reddick thing

between reddick and bell is tighter than we think yeah because of reddick having to just be able to hell marry it and say I'm gonna flip a stage and we'll do this I'll do that I'm not going for stage points that might put bell behind him at some point and bell's not gonna force it I agree I'm going Threatic. Hmm. I swayed you. No, didn't sway me. You had me from the beginning.

I'm going to stay with Bill. But I think you guys got a real good shot at it. Who are the other cars that can challenge? Those are my top two. I would look for, you know, Larson's been good here, but his road course record this year is awful. Like it is, it has been, his average finishes year is 31st on the road courses.

Byron probably would be solid, wouldn't he? So Byron's third on my predictor, he's been top, three in the last two Rovals. So I think he's been good lately on on road courses too. But they've struggled lately. Like that's, I'm worried about them.

Yeah. Yeah. What about AJ? I like AJ. You know, all he's trying to do is win. He's been, he's won here before.

He's been good here in the last three races. Plus 1,800 for a win. Mm-hmm. Yeah, it is really good. A lot of every, like Larsen, Bell, AJ, all the people we've mentioned, and they're good to put a little bit on the wind because if SVG does have a problem,

these guys are right there. But do we see a performance fall off with Colleg now? You know what I mean? When is that going to, does that show up? Because of the RAM deal? Yeah, I mean, I'm not saying it's going to show up this weekend, but at some point, do we see it? I don't know, man.

I think AJ's able to overcome it on a track with the roval. I think AJ will be tough this weekend. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, AJ, they ran pretty good this past weekend in Kansas. You know, they had that great speed at the 600. and they kind of, you know, the Milan half stuff has been pretty good for AJ, even though he got caught up in the accident.

It pretty decent pace. I, what about any Ford standout, I guess, Busher? Bushers, is going to be your one that's consistent on road courses. He's been the best board on two of the four or five road courses this year. Who else was the other one, do you know? Blaney. You can look at, I like Priest a little bit, too. I thought Blaney had some, he won at the Roval.

He did, but that. Oh, that was in the last corner wrecked. Yeah, they wrecked each other out. True X Jimmy Johnson wrecked. He's still sitting there in third. Would have been top four that day. Yeah. No matter what.

I mean, I think Blaney would be okay, but I think he's, I don't think he pushed. I think he just goes to have a quiet weekend. Yeah, what's Busher doing? I mean, he's flipping stages. He ain't sitting around for stage points, isn't? Yeah. Is Ross Chas staying in a void bet this week because he's just trying to figure out a way to get points? Yeah.

They're going to definitely try to try to, try to hope to gather a bunch of points in the stage. But if that doesn't look like it's a possibility, you know, if he's coming to, you know, coming to three laps to go and some shit with running, running 15th or 19th, he's probably not going to stay out. It's probably going to come to pit road. I mean, it just depends, I guess, where he's running. I mean, I guess you'll know after stage one, if Joey gets some stage points and Ross doesn't,

Ross probably goes for the win, right? So, be interesting. Anything else stand out for this weekend, Russell? So you're maybe a top 10 bet. This is crazy, but like Kyle Bush is only top five this year, have been on road courses. So if you're a Kyle Busch guy, like this might be your top 10 guy. Alex Bowman's finished top 10 on all the races at the Roval,

except as DQ last year. So I like him for top 10. But like your winners, we've already talked about him. Gotcha. I secretly like Bubba. I think he can put a, I think he can, he was, he's been fast. He's his best road course, right? He's improved.

I mean, I'm just saying, to run well. Is it, you know, as an X factor coming in there, no one's really expecting him and he's got a little chip on his shoulder now. Does he come in here with some. That's another guy like that could flip stages and leapfrog bail and bail's not going to, you know, Bell's going to do what Denny didn't do, right? He's not going to take one of them two guys out. No. Yeah.

I think Bubba's been fast at road courses here lately. I mean, he's been decent. Damn. Top 10 bet for Bub, I don't think it's a bad. I don't think he's plus bad. He's plus bad. And if it gets messy at the end and he's there, like, you know what I mean? If it gets a little messy, he could take advantage some stuff.

Man, I feel like I got to go Reddick on the Toyota. You're flopping? I really do. I'm not following. God, oh, man. Okay. I'm not. I won't.

All right. Because it's true. Like, they'll flip, they'll do all these. If there's enough guys that are flipping stages, you know, that's... Conservative. Those are positions. You don't just get those handed back, and these are guys that are racing to win their way in, and two of them likely could be...

These are track position changing moves. ...23-11 drivers. Yeah, but Bell's going to be top five, just raw speed. I know, but then he's going to have to get those positions back when they flip the last stage. Do you think he actually cares about that, though? He's pretty, like he said. I think he does now a little bit. I think he can...

I mean, they might be fast enough to... actually beat him once he gives that track position up. I mean, yeah, it's close, like you guys said, but I'll stick with Bell. Okay. Yeah, Bell could be locked in by stage, by the end of stage one. Yeah. I still don't think he gets aggressive at that point. I know.

I know. When that happens, they chill. If he goes and gets aggressive in a total chill mode. If he goes and gets into somebody by accident forcing the issue, then that could make, that could hurt him his championship hopes. He's not going to do that. The Dirty Mo Doe segment is brought to you by a fan duel, the premier gaming destination of the United States.

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