The Dale Jr. Download - Loud Mouths: The Evolution of Trash Talking in NASCAR

Episode Date: May 2, 2024

Who is the best trash talker in NASCAR today? That’s a question Dale Jr. asked on The Dale Jr. Download this week. Well, we’re taking it one step further. We wonder if today’s NASCAR drivers can even hold a candle to the previous generations of smack-talkers – guys like Tony Stewart, Darrell Waltrip, Donnie Allison, Cale Yarborough – the list goes on and on. We’ve got the perfect people to debate this topic in studio – the driver of the No. 77 Spire Motorsports Chevrolet in the NASCAR Cup Series, Carson Hocevar, and spotter for Bubba Wallace’s No. 23 team, Freddie Kraft. Check out Dirty Mo Media on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@DirtyMoMedia  Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Well, whoever said sticks and stones may break my bones, but words will never hurt me. Obviously never dealt with the likes of Tony Stewart or Richard Petty or Kell Yarborough and Donnie Allison, right? Because as long as NASCAR has been around, drivers have been pretty good at running their motors on and off the track. And we're not only talking about trash talking today, but we're talking about the art of it. It's place in the sport and who is good at it. I mean, this is a question that we're trying to ask right now. Who is good at trash talking in the garage today? And if they are good at it, do they even hold a candle to the old garden, to the guys that came before them?

We got driver of the number 77 for Spire Motorsports, Carson Hosevar in here, alongside Spotter of the 23 for Bubba Wallace. Freddie Kraft, he is here to weigh in on the topic. They're going to give their opinions here in the Bojangl studio. We're also going to give your opinions on the topic of who you think carries the torch in the trash talking department. A lot to get to today, so let's get started. The following is a production of Dirtymo Media. Welcome into another episode of DJD. I'm reloaded.

I get super annoyed by the interviews where they try to be smart-assie. They just got their ass kick, got wrecked on the racetrack, and drivers will get a microphone in front of them immediately after it. They've got to say something. Who was the best at fucking? I like that. Who is the best? Welcome inside of OJangle Studio.

another episode of DJD Reloaded. You just heard it from Del Earnhardt Jr. There, we're talking about trash talking, and we got two of the best, maybe, at least currently in the garage. We're going to call him that today. We've got Freddie Craft, Spotter of the 23 for Bubble Wallace. We've also got Driver of the 77.

Freddie, I think we all know why you're here. And I say that in the most, utmost respect. Yeah, yeah. When they called me yesterday to do this, they told me the premise was because of a lot of trash talking. Or they may use more colorful language, and I thought they were kidding. I thought they were just telling me

that like a joke that that's why they were bringing me on. But here we are. And yeah, you know, like I say all the time, we trash talk just maybe a little bit on DBC weekly. So it's probably a good topic for us. Just a little bit, not a lot. Carson, we know why Freddie's here. I want to know why you think you're here and what incident you think is the reason that

you got the call to be on this show today. I mean, Freddie might have trashed me a time or two anyway. So maybe they brought me back on here to trash. talking back now. But no, it's, you know, I've, I've never been shy and never been really, you know, I've been that driver, get out and say some dumb things or do some dumb things before I even get out and get a chance to talk about it. So drivers get two shots to, to voice how they feel is one's with a steering wheel, ones with a microphone. And I've done probably a little bit of both. But I felt like, yeah, here to talk about it, I guess. Yeah, well, it's something I think that the

fans enjoy. And a lot of people maybe question, does it belong in the sport or not? It's in every sport, I think, with NASCAR, though, you just have a little bit of extra time to maybe think about what you're going to say in the heat of the moment. You know, you're not actually communicating with other drivers in the car, but is there a place for it in the sport? I say yes. Oh, for sure. I mean, and listen, it's not just drivers. Like we, unfortunately, sometimes we have a button that we can push and it goes out over the airwaves, so there's been multiple times where a wreck happens and the crew chief or say what happened or I'll just draw me and go stupid son of a run into us you know and then you're looking at replay I'm like oh no he didn't really even hit us oh well

you know that's but it's just I should not push the button wouldn't say that and I'm trying to get better but it's hard yeah it's it's tough um yeah I've definitely definitely learn to uh at least in the radio side uh not key the button as much um but you it's it's a professional you keep it down a lot of time. You got it all the way down. And like Carson's talking about, there was times in the past of DBC, and it was a few years ago.

So hopefully it doesn't come back. But we were very critical of Carson a couple of times, Brett, maybe, especially more so than other people. But, you know, and we've done this for years with other drivers. I remember Noah came to me one time, and he's like, man, just stop picking on me. I was like, well, I promise you one thing. If you stop doing dumb shit, we have nothing to talk about.

So if you just behave and do your job, and just, you know, act right, then I promise you, never mentioned your name on there again. So are some of the best trash talkers, the guys, not behind the wheel? Sometimes. Just because you don't get caught? We've been accused to that, yeah. So it's, it is what it is. You are professional talkers.

Yeah, that's what I do for a living. Yeah, look at things and talk. So looking at the history of the sport, I mean, I think one of the best things that makes that it's a great topic is you say trash talking in NASCAR. You already are thinking of a driver. You're thinking of a phrase. But how has it evolved over the years? because there are some guys, I think, that still do it.

Carson, you're obviously an example of that. But maybe does it happen as much as it used to? Like, how has that evolved throughout the history of the sport? I think it's more now because we have an added weapon. Not only do you have the microphone in your face after the race, but then you can get on Twitter and talk trash. You know, back in the day, you know, Donnie and Allison, I didn't think he was on Facebook.

So he didn't have that social media outlet to vent with. But nowadays, you know, you can get on there. And there's no repercussion. You just say whatever the hell you want and put it out there and no, there's no fact check and there's no nothing. So I think nowadays you've got to be a little more careful with it and some guys fall into the trap of not being so careful. Yeah, I mean, I was just going to say Twitter really changes the element of the game. I wish it didn't as much because, I mean, I wish like it wasn't so common for everybody not to say anything. Like they'll be part, like if two guys are mad at each other, they'll be on pit road, not even look at each other.

and then the second they get back to the motorhome, they're trading blows. I'm like, you can just do that for everybody. But like I get it, right? Like, I'm probably victim, or I probably have done it. Guilty of it, yeah. Like, it's different on pit road because then all the cameras are there, front stretch, you know, all, like,

all the cameras, iPhones, everything, where on Twitter, you know, you tweet about it, and you can just shut your phone off. And feel like you're a strong. We're going to get to our Mount Rushmore of trash talkers at the end of the show. But Freddie, who is somebody that comes to mind, maybe in recent memory that you think was really good at this? And I'm talking more in front of the camera. I know we've got keyboard warriors and it's a lot easier to say things online.

But when you're in front of the camera, when you get out of the car and they're able to take a shot at another driver or another team, I mean, it happens. Yeah. And it's like I say on DBC every week, Denny's great. and he's the king of it right now. He's feeding into that villain role of where he's just, and he's not really trash talking the other drivers per se. He's just doing a really good job of kind of trolling the fans and maybe trolling some of the other drivers.

But just to see the reactions he gets, the double birds he gets everywhere we go. And, you know, just the reaction, the booze. You never have to question who comes out for driver intros sometimes because it's like they hear the crowd erupt. And yeah, that's Danny, for sure. So I think he's the king of it right now. and I think he feeds into it.

Why he's so good at it? Feeding into it, too, because I feel like a lot of his comments are witty. So it kind of almost brings up the question, like, what makes for good trash talking? Because sometimes you know, sometimes you say stuff and it doesn't land right. But sometimes, I mean, you think about Tony Stewart and the way that he would jab at other drivers and even his own teammates. I mean, nobody was safe from his comments.

For sure. You know, the thing that I always like, Tony would be, Tony was very brash about it, very outspoken. And I always like the guys that could take like a little jab, like a Mac Kenseth comes to mind. Like he just such a dry sense of humor, such a dry personality. And then when he took that little shot, you're like, oh, wait a minute. Where did that come from? So guys like that. But, you know, then we always had the outspoken ones, like he said, Tony and them.

So, yeah, I don't know. I mean, what was the last time you did some trash talking before a race, after a race? Last time I did trash talk. It'd probably be sometime last year in the truck. I could be a little bit more trash talking. to be a little bit more cocky or confident or anything. In Cup, I'm just, I'm almost trying to just... Fly under the radar, are you?

That's the best thing about the Cup series. Like I tell everybody all the time, like, you know, Corey Heim is an example of it this week. Like, the best thing you could do out there, you know, is just nobody know you're out there. Like, if you just a nice, quiet day and nobody knows them here, like, that's good. Obviously, you want to run well.

But if, you know, the first day out, you know, whatever rookie year, just kind of be out there and exist and don't start, you know, if he comes out there trash talking, they'd be like, who the hell is this kid? Like, get him out of here. So it's an interesting balance for them, young guys. Carson, would you feel comfortable trash talking the way that some of the other guys did,

like a Tony Stewart that's always taken jabs? If I had the salary and wins and trophies and championships of them, absolutely. Like, that's the difference, right? Like, you know, it's, you know, if you go into, getting into a cup car and you're going to tell everybody you're going to win eight championships. Everybody's going to laugh at you, right?

Yeah. You know, if you tell this guy who's won a lot more races and done a lot more things, it turns around on you, even if you have a point, right? He wrecked you and you talk crap to him and talk shit. Like, you're just instantly just, like, it doesn't matter what you said, even if you're in the right, you instantly just get flapped. Well, what have you done? Who are you?

Like, that's all your comments and that's all anybody, like, that's all the argument. they instantly win the argument yeah was there was there a time let's and you've had some run-ins let's be honest um was that you said something like after one of those that you regret like you know i just had like i've said it before like you know like this guy wrecked us and i look and i'm like maybe it wasn't his fault you know like there's something like you reacted to really that you can remember like that stands out yeah uh charlotte um with priests i i definitely regret that one anytime i look on youtube and like i'll look at my name and i'll look at like the interview after of like yeah we just went out there and waxed their ass and they were all upset and like they was just putting on my

door I'm like I wish I didn't say that I wish I didn't say that like now I was like mad at him like and I still kind of was I was like like all right like look like I didn't intentionally put like go down in there and crash you put it on my door and I just lose it and it was only to come out later in the year when KBM switched over from Toyota to Chevy that we were like two to three hundred pounds total downforce down. So when I would always be inside of people, I would spin and never understood why. I was like, man, like, why am I crashy? Now I know.

Now I know. So that part doesn't make me feel bad anymore. But yeah, that one, I'm like, man, just . Shut that hell up. You're talking about regrets. I want to know a time where you said something you were proud of it. You're like, man, I nailed that. Well, it was on Twitter.

It was right before Homestead. I asked Bob how many points I needed to lock. kind of trash talking knowing I only needed to start like one point. And he's like, like all the comments were like, hey, you need to just win like, just win. Like win and you're in. And I only needed one point. And I remember I ran to the bathroom during intros. I just happened to have my phone.

So I happen to look at all the notifications. I just responded to one. I was like, all right. Yeah, we'll do that. No problem. And gave a thumbs up. One by 18 seconds. That day.

Cutting close. Freddie. Bubba. I mean, he's been in some of those instances as well. Yeah, for sure. And sometimes I look, you know, he just used every once in a while he'll be doing an interview and I'm like, oh, this is going well. And then he'll just say something. And I'm like, oh, and you just know, like, we already get plenty of hate on social media as is well known. And then you just fuel the fire sometimes for him. Like, you know, I've seen last week or maybe something, he said he made a comment about squirrels. And I'm like, I just know where this is going

on Twitter this week. So it's, you're the squirrel. it's like oh god why do you why do you do you do that to yourself at times but he he gets ahead of it yeah he's got broad shoulders he can he can carry the weight for a while yeah i like that when you are thinking about the other cuff drivers that you drive alongside are there any guys that come to mind that are good trash talkers now uh i have besides denny it's tough i haven't been around it too much there's probably a lot more behind the scenes trash talking or group chats or something sure um that i haven't been around it too much there's probably a lot more behind-the-scenes trash talk in or group chats or I'm sure. I haven't come to find out.

Tony was always my favorite because if you were a NASCAR, good year, the fan in the stand, it didn't matter. I mean, you were potentially either getting to get trash talk or get a haymaker at a local dirt track. Like, it didn't matter. Nobody's safe. No one. Kevin Harvick, also another one that really comes to mind. He has a lot of great clubs.

The best thing about trash talking, too, is that it really kind of tells the history of the sport as you're, like, looking back in history, and you see, you know, the craft. and then you see the reaction after it tells the emotion of that moment. But Harvick certainly one that comes to mind. Kevin, there's two Kevins. You know, there was pre-keelan and post-keelan. And, you know, the pre-keelan was much more outspoken, a lot more fiery. Post-keelan is more of the Mackenzieth dry humor.

I'm going to take a little shot here and just kind of sit back and smile. So there's been two sides of Kevin over the years, it seems like. Yeah, Kyle Bush is also another one I feel like that comes to mine. at least the younger Kyle Bush days, maybe not so much as of late. But there's other drivers way back in history. It's just the, you know, they didn't have Twitter, like you said. They didn't have a, you know, necessarily TV that captured all of this. But trash talking has always been around.

Oh, for sure. You know, I go back to a guy. So I'm from up north, you know, modified country. So one of the guys I cheered for growing up was Jimmy Spencer. And he was like the king of it. You know, he was going to run his mouth and do whatever he wanted to talk about, you know. The crying towel. I mean, he was one of the best trash talkers. I can remember.

Yeah, he would always highlight, yeah, with that segment that he used to do as well on all the trash talking and, like, drivers crying. What if you had a media personality like that, Carson, that was calling you out on it? Yeah, I got Freddy. Weekly. Weekly on TVC. It has been less frequently, I think, lately. Yeah. Dale Jr.

My bright side was trucks didn't run that much. There's only 20-some race. Every once in a while, I get a month off. We get to forget about it for a little while. Yeah, Dale Jr. also mentioned, too, just how, you know, you kind of regret those moments. Have you had those instances, too, where you're regretting things that you said after? For sure. And even on the podcast, you know, there be times, and it's tough.

There be times where we would go out Saturday or Sunday night after the races, and now we're out all night. And then I get up there and I'm just in a bad mood, hungover. me and Brett are running our mouths about something. And you go back and listen, you're like, oh, why did I say that? Like, that's not going to go well. Now I'm going to have to see this guy in the garage and talk about it. So there's always times you regret stuff you say. And it's just more for fun for us and to get reactions out of people.

And like, you know, Carson interacted with us at times with Cowtrace and stuff like that. So, you know, it's serving a purpose. Yeah. Carson, do you, how do you get past? Like, if you're trash talking with another driver, do you ever forget it? like I feel like this is always kind of used as like in your arsenal like in the back of your mind or is that just kind of all back going to like pay back and paying it back on the track? It depends. I feel like like once it's over it's like an old ex-girlfriend like you just kind of

like you both try to like kind of avoid each other. You know you know like you kind of took some shots at each other at the end. It's just like all right just move on. Hopefully we never have to deal with each other again type deal. It was really funny that I don't even know if you know this. it was probably the end of last year or something. No, it was two years ago. It was right around the time. Something happened with Carson, and we were pretty critical about it on the track.

And I would not avoid, you know what I mean? I would never, like, go out of my way to avoid you. Like, if we saw each other, we saw each other. We never, like, ever hung out or anything, not friendly. So, like, it wasn't a case where we were going to go seek them out to talk about it. But I was in New Smyrna, and I went to a bunch of buddies of mine. They were up there sitting in the grandstands drink a beer.

So I went and took a picture with him. And three days later, I look, and Carson was in the middle of the crowd. like the Black Flag podcast guys. You were right there in the middle. I'm like, I probably thinks I'm an ass shit. Like I didn't even say anything. Like I'm like, he probably just thinks, oh, that's that guy that talks about me

and how he won't even look at me. I was like, oh, damn it. This really does sound like the dating scene in NASCAR. Interesting. Well, we've talked about some of the drivers that come to mind when it comes to trash talking. And you've heard these quotes before by your favorite drivers, but I can guarantee that you have never heard it quite like this.

We're going to revisit some of those old quotes, but we've got a twist. that's coming up. So instead of listening to drivers and their best trash talking quotes that we've got, we're going to act it out a little bit. So Carson and Freddie, we're going to have a couple of moments that we're going to act out for you. And you're going to try to guess who said it and the context behind it. So Carson, do you feel like you're going to be a disadvantage or do you feel like you're going to know a lot of these?

Are you just calling them old? I'm calling you young. I'll take that. I'll take that. But that's a little trash talk to Freddie. I approve. Well, appreciate it.

Carl was just throwing him around this morning. Yeah, she was already, she already. Apparently, I looked at Carson and started laughing, and that was enough of trash talk. That's absolutely trash talk. That's still worse. Well, no apologies. All right, let's go ahead and play Moment Number One. I don't know what his deal is with me.

It's probably not his fault. His wife wears the fire suit and the family that tells him what to do. It's probably not his fault. Sounds like funeral music. But who do you think that is? I know who it is. I'm sure. Does Carson where that is?

Joey. Yeah. That was really good acting, Evan. I appreciate that on your part. That caught me off guard. I wasn't expecting that. I was really. Freddie, I kind of wish you would go up there and try your hand at that.

It's only going to get worse. I make an ass to myself enough around here. I don't need to do it anymore. All right. So that's Joey Lagano. Like you said, 2010 Pocono after Kevin Harvick spun him out in a late race. So let's go ahead and get to the second moment. All right, so

Nobody else had trouble getting by me Except Q ball-headed fool Can't get by us without wrecking us I haven't guessed Q ball-headed fool I feel like that's the part that gives it away I'm trying to think I think I know who it is

But I'll let you go first I don't know Is it Kurt Busch? No I thought it was Kurt Busch talking about 1999 I thought it was Kurt Busch talking about Spencer

99 Were you born 03 I got a shot. I don't know who that was. I mean, once you say it, I'll know. Yeah, 1999, Pike's Peak on spinning Todd Bodine, Dale Jr. Ah, yeah.

That's good. I kind of knew who the cue ball-hitted fool was if it wasn't Jimmy Spencer. Are you going to use that the next time that Q ball-headed fool? I don't know. We have any bald guys? Is there any bald guys out there? We have to wait. All right, let's go ahead and move on to moment number three.

What the hell do you think I'm? was mad about dumb little SOB runs us clear down in the infield he wants to bitch about everybody else and he's the one who drives like a little I'm a bust his ass I don't have any I'm gonna guess Tony Stewart just because it sounds like a Tony Stewart line but I have no idea but whoever it was is hysterical in that in that voice anyway he didn't sound like that when he said that yeah that sounded like an old man like mad at the on the porch like Dale you know yelling at the clouds I thought I think it was Tony. Yeah.

I think it was with Joey at Auto Club, right? Yep. 2013 Fontana. Yep. They got after it on pit road that day too, didn't they? Yeah, they were driving into each other hard. They were fighting. Which I don't think Joey wants to fight Tony.

I don't think that's a good matchup for him. I don't think Tony against anybody is a good matchup. All right, let's move on to Moment 4. I shouldn't have cleared him getting into turn 3, obviously. We were coming up through the pack and he was going backwards. That's what old decrepit has-beens do, like Jimmy Spencer. So there you go. That one's Kurt.

Yep. There it is. His voice sounded different, though. I didn't recognize. I didn't think Kurt was from wherever that accent was from. It's like an old, this old radio like 1920s. You stopped at the first half. I wouldn't have ever got it.

I was just thrown off. Yeah, Kurt Busch, 2002 Indianapolis, after being spun by Jimmy Spencer. That was a big Rick. Did ever see that replay? Yeah, that's hard. Yeah, that hurt. Kurt and Kyle, both good trash talkers. Oh, yeah.

Yeah. All right, moment number five. Like, I got run over by a bug eye, I guess, drove in there a mile over his head and took us out. That was Bart Simpson, I think. Was that him? That sounded like some 90s cartoon character. It's definitely a...

It sounded like Scooby-Doo. Shaggy? Shaggy. Shaggy. We have not been utilized. Evan enough on DVC. Like, this guy's a voice actor. Who knew this?

I'm going to have to get him a microphone on Mondays. I'm impressed. I have no idea who that one was. I have no shot. I was laughing at the voice too much. I didn't even know what he said. Yeah. I was just waiting for the Scooby Static.

Oh, man. All right. 2004, Watkins Glenn. Rec, after he was wrecked by Greg Biffle. Is it Harvard? No. Oh, Boris said. Damn.

Good guess, though. Sterling Marlin. Curlin Marlin. Yeah. I don't even remember that one, but it was fun. Especially if he does it in Scooby-Doo's voice. Wonder what all these drivers are going to think of the impersonation. This is a totally different.

We did impersonations of Dell Jr. They were actually accurate earlier. Did you guys know he could do this? I had no idea. Is this new for everybody? Is this how you got a job here? No, it's actually going to be how I lose my job. Oh, well, you did a really.

really fantastic job. Yeah. Oh, thanks, Freddie. Anytime, buddy. Aw. No, Trash Talking. Let's go Rangers.

Oh, man. No, we have mutual Ranger fans. Oh. So you're already. So we're in Cahoots. Go canes. No. Don't start that.

You don't want to. All right. Well, we are still talking about trash talking. We've gotten some opinions out there from Freddie and Carson. But we're going to get your opinions coming up on who you think the best trash talker is. We're also going to get to their Mount Rushmore. That's coming up. Well, one of the goals.

for DJD Reloaded is to get the fans voice here in on the episode. So let's go ahead and pull up hashtag don't hold me to it. We ask you who was the best trash talker or who is the best trash talker in the garage today. So let's go ahead and see what fans had to say about this.

A lot of answers on X last night and earlier this morning. Somebody said, Rob from Missouri, Bubba Wallace, what do you think? Freddie Kraft, the best? I don't know if he's the best because he's got to practice. He's got plenty of practice at it. He's getting better, but we need to, we still need to improve quite a bit

before we can call him the best at it. He's also going to be a dad soon. Is there going to be a pre-imposed baby? Probably not. I don't think he's, I don't know if he's got that in him. You know, I think there's only one side above it, really. All right. This is not a driver. Don't hold me to it. Spotter Brett. Spotter bread is the worst trash talker in the garage because a lot of times what he says doesn't make any sense. So, and it's getting worse now that he doesn't spot all the time because he'll say some stuff and I'm like, what, what are you even talking about? He tried to tweet something last year. He was walking, Phil, was walking down pit road near you or something like Phil Smalley. And he's like, look at this. It's the guy that works at Spire with this guy. He's trying to hint that

you're going to inspire. And I'm like, hey, dumb, F's filling worked in expire in like two years. He's a little behind on the content. I was like, I need if you're going to trash talk, I don't mind and I love it, but you're going to have to be factually correct about things. And then Denny Hamlin, which is, I think, something that we all agreed. Again, I think it's just his wit kind of, you have to be witty to come up with some of the stuff that he does. I always wonder if he like, is he thinking about this with 10 to go? Like, he's leading her age and he's like, what am I going to say when I get out of this thing? Because that, like Bristol last year, the whatever, I beat your favorite driver.

Yeah. Like that was a classic. And it's like, and then he said it again. Then he ruined it because he said it again somewhere. And I was like, you can't do that. Like, it was great that one time. Now you can't recycle that every time. So, yeah.

But I'm always wondering, like, is he thinking about it? Like, if you're checked out, that race, you won by 18 seconds, you checked out, like, what am I going to say when I crossed the line? What am I going to say when I get out of this thing? Does it start creeping in your head at all? Oh, yeah. You start thinking about it. You start having mock interviews.

That's really, really where. I want to know if that's the case for all drivers. That's hilarious. That's really where, like, a lot of times you, like, lose your mind. Like, when a yellow comes out, because you were like, man, I was already to the press conference. I was already in the media center. Oh, my God. But a lot of times, even if you do end up winning.

Like you get out and then you just forget everything you thought about. Or if you said it, then you forget probably what you said after the fact. Yeah, like when we won, so I was really confident we're going to win, like just based off our practice speed. And I was talking to my crew guys at Legacy and everything. And they were like, hey, you need to, we're doing the meow game from because we're watching SuperTree. Oh, yeah. How many times you get it?

And we were like, hey, you need to say meow. Like in, and that way you know you're thinking about us. And I was like, all right. So like the entire interview, like I am stumbling on my words, messing up, sentences, sounding the dumbest, because I'm trying to answer the question. But I'm trying to think of like how I'm supposed to like, because I wanted to like just throw it in on a sentence. And like, I was like, all right, I think how I got to say now and then change it to meow. And I'm literally like, I remember like I'm looking down like you could see the wheels turn. And I just stop.

mehau. Bubba, they do that to Bubba all the time. They'll give him like any press conference and he is the absolute worst at it because it'll be, I don't know, scuttle butt. It'll be the word. So it'll be like, and he'll be, he'll just go and we did this scuttle butt and he'll look at us and all smile like, it's supposed to not be known, stupid. Yeah, I've been in those like pressers with him and you're like, yeah, that was definitely

a word they told him to say. I think another thing with Denny too, and maybe some of it is a preconceived, right, that he knows what to say. But then you go back to, you know, the Joey Legano incident, like short track racing, the impersonation that he did of him. Love that clip. But that has to be on the spot with the emotion running, running through you. Yeah. I mean, that's probably like some behind the scenes trash talking that comes out. Like, you know what I mean? I'm sure they've he's done it before. He's probably done that Joey impression somewhere before. And then you just decided to bring that out on pit road that night. You know, that's probably some of the behind the scenes that's

made its way to public. Yeah. I'm a little concerned about you though, like trying to think about it ahead if you were having that much that much trouble with me now so yeah it was it was a struggle it was uh well i was i was war out and there was like i remember we couldn't like do a burnout so i didn't remember that and i mean there's just so much stuff i mean the best like i'm ever going to be is when i can just say it naturally and not have to think about it so like i was already thinking about every which way but and by then i like that was the only thing i remember i was like i really want to win the race so I could just save me out. But if I run second, I can say meow or whatnot. But if I win the race, I really want to say it. But like, I used to like always think about it and then yeah,

would come out. So now I just would like, anytime I like would think about like, man, what would it be like to win this one? What am I to do? And how's like, I'm like, no, like, what happens if I don't win this? And something happens or I blow a tire or something. So like I try to talk myself out of it. So like, it's more a shock to me now that it's, I actually did go through with it because I've happened so many times where I'm in Neverland and having, you know, sipping champagne in the media center. And then all of a sudden, yell comes out with like four to go. And it's like, yeah, didn't even make it there. All right. So let's get to your Mount Rushmore of Trash Talkers. Who is at the very top of the list, at least for you personally?

For me, it's Tony. Yeah. Honestly, I'd almost put them in all four. Just told him out of Tony Moore. Tony gets a driver, Tony gets Goody, Tony gets Good Year, Tony gets NASCAR. fans so you can just have a category media. Your mom like I'm pretty sure he did that one time.

Yeah, he can wreck somebody's mom. Carl's mom. I probably wreck your mom to win the championship. I was like, oh, that's tough. I think the thing about him too is like when you go back and listen to those press conferences or those moments too, like you, I think Del even said this too. You know that he means it. Like he's not going to say sorry. He's not going to apologize.

He's not going to even think twice after he says it. But like he goes in for the dagger. The one, I think it was Talladega. He said, well, we might as well just have a figure out. eight race and just destroy all the, you know, he just, like, he hated the pack racing, you know. So he's like, as the way we're doing this dumb shit, we might as well just run a figure eight race and wreck all the cars or something like that. He was like, no punches pulled, was going to go right for the throat every time.

So you just have Tony. I would have Tony at the top for sure. And then I'd have Denny. Kurt was always one of my favorites. And then Kyle, like I'd have Kurt and Kyle right next to each other. Yeah, obviously similar lists. You know, the guys did. Tony has to be there.

Danny probably has to be there. Like I said earlier, Jimmy Spencer was a guy that I grew up watching and cheering for and he had no trouble running his mouth. And probably Harvick, for me, is the other one. And either side of the Keelan era, you know, he was very outspoken and ran his mouth a lot before getting in fights and him and Ricky Rudd and him and Biffle and all these guys. And then now, like, you see him later at the interview after Bristol where he takes shots to chase and, you know, he's a little more reserved about it now.

But I think that's even funnier. You can tell he's like taking a shot. but he's not being like really over the top with it. I think that's some of the best trash talking, really. Yeah, when they're holding it back and it's just kind of slid under the rug. It's like a little smirk. You're like, oh. Yeah, that's very interesting.

I feel like, I mean, all of those guys, though, are more recent. I mean, you've got to think back to even Dale Senior and Kell Yarborough that we mentioned at the top of the show. And you think about Jeff Bodine. I mean, all of those guys, all of the guys did it back then. I have to replace somebody. Darrell Walshap has to be on Mount Rushmore. He has to be. Yeah.

So I don't know who I'm taking off. But he's up, when we were just out ahead. But yeah, Darrell Walsh. I mean, he, his name was Jaws because he ran his mouth so much. So he has to be up there for sure. But yeah, them guys back in the day. Like, I feel like you don't, they didn't get the coverage we have now. So it's hard to find them clips of those guys, you know, going nuts at each other.

But yeah, Darrell was definitely the king of it for a long time. My favorite senior one is the Jeff Gordon one. Which one? I don't think so. Where he's saying like, it's like a. safety v or something like if you're you know along with your fellow competitors you know give him space but if it's jeff gordon put some bitch in a wall i see and he goes oh i didn't i didn't say that one of my one of my favorite ones and it was this is one of them like sly tried to just sneak it in there

and hope nobody notices but he won uh i think jeff won the first indie race of the brickyard and and dale slid in there and said i'm happy to be the first man to win the indy of the brickyard 400 or something like that it's like oh all right that's definitely a little dig it's that at Jeff right there. And his wars were bow nine in those years in the 80s. Yeah. Something to legends are made of. So after this episode, Carson, do you feel like you need to step up your

trash talking game? Like, is this something that drivers want to be good at? Because I think a lot of drivers would probably say, like, no, or the sponsors, or they're trying to go under the radar like you are in the Cup series, at least right now. But still, you can't control the emotion of the moment sometimes. I mean, for me, I would be. it's one of those things you're ready if somebody brings it up onto you but if somebody brings it like if i ever have to do that especially this year it's probably because i've got crashed or something

dumb happened like it wouldn't be because i was all of a sudden winning a lot of races and could get cocky and start talking trash with a rivalry like there's no rivalries for like 20 second like there's nothing to be really like there's nothing public that you want about having a battle for 22nd getting mad about it on pit road so and it's always interesting to see like you know somebody like you that was a little outspoken in the truck series obviously because you're performing really well and winning races and then you kind of have to let that take a back seat so all right now i got to fly into this radar and then hopefully it's you know urn about because some of the respect of these cup guys it's just really like a reset for me like my rookie year like i was just trying to finish all the races

second year like we were close to win in so like i went way too hard direct a lot and then third year started figuring it out. So Cup, I'm just trying to finish every race, right? Like, just almost like, I want to be known, but like known on Monday when you look at the points and look at the results. Like, damn, how about that? Like, I had buddies of mine that were like, hey, where are you at points? I was like, we're 20th?

And they're like, really? Like, maybe I should start watching. Like, man, I thought you were in like the 30s. I was like, well, thanks, man. Appreciate it. And there was time this year. It came up on our show. I think there's kind of like you look down at the results.

And that's what I appreciate about the Cubs series is guys like Carson. I forget what race it was. And you might know because it was like you finish 15th. And I was like, really? I didn't even see him all day. But he just like quietly put a good race together and you end up in the top 15. And that's what like the young guy like Carson or Josh and that rookie class, like that's what their goal is, you know, get better and not really be out there doing.

I think if you hear any car to trash talking for Carson, like he said, it's going to be reactionary to somebody wrecking him or, you know, him getting an accident with somebody. I don't expect him to be out there flying the flag of the 11 team. Like, you know, I beat your driver. I'm going to beat your favorite driver. All of them, you know. Yeah.

The only thing I could say like that is just I'm taller than all their favorite drivers. That's the only thing I got against them. I could say. You will always have that probably. Yeah, I think you're good there for a while. Like, I just, yeah, I just, I'm good for a good short joke. Like, that's all I got. That's all you got right now.

Oh, man. Well, what a fun conversation. obviously a lot more to catch up on earlier this week. On Dirty Moe and just the content they are pumping out. You had the tear down with Jeff Gluck and Jordan Bianchi. Action's detrimental with Denny Hamlin, one of the greatest trash talkers that we were talking about. Door bumper clear.

Maybe some trash talking on that show. Maybe lightly sprinkled in. We got the Dell Jr. download with Chocolate Myers and Kirk Shelmerdine. And then Speed Street and Dirty Mo Doe. Don't forget about all of those podcasts to check out this week. A lot of good content. content. Carson, we appreciate you joining us. Freddie, thanks for coming back. And yeah. I feel like it's probably not my last time. Yeah. Hopefully that's okay. Or you can

trash talk me right now. Well, you did call me old. So I don't really have anything to go back and she laughed at me. She laughed at you. Unfortunately, you're just perfect. So we can't, we can't. You just don't know enough about me yet. Yeah. We'll figure it out. Find some. I need to come on here more often. Yeah, we got to just do some research. Start taking notes. Or don't. And then. We'll just continue to do this. All right, that's going to do it for us this week on DJD Reloaded. See you next week.

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