The Dale Jr. Download - Nobody Does It As Good As Larson

Episode Date: March 25, 2025

Dale Earnhardt Jr.’s morning is off to a good start as he and his daughters celebrate Amy’s birthday. Dale and co-host TJ Majors get into everything that’s happened in the NASCAR world.Dale’s nephew Wyatt Miller victory at HickoryJustin Allgaier goes back-to-backWhy Kyle Larson is the best at running the wallWhere should the championship race beMartinsville will only have one tire for teams to useKyle Larson joins the guys to discuss his racing technique, missing out on winning all three races last weekend and High Limit Racing.During the Ask Jr. portion of the show, Dale answers some questions including Who 2-beer is, how he got his nickname and moreHow someone can get into being a spotterThe urge to pee or even worse while drivingNHRA Funny Car driver Ron Capps also called in to the show to discuss the crazy accident he had over the weekend.Plus, Dirty Mo Dough recaps Tampa Timms’ Homestead-Miami bets and previews Martinsville.Dirty Mo Media is launching a new e-commerce merch line! They’ve got some awesome Dale Jr. Download merch on the site. Visit shop.dirtymomedia.com to check out all the new stuff.And for more content check out our YouTube page: https://www.youtube.com/@DirtyMoMediaMust be 21+ and present in select states (for Kansas, in affiliation with Kansas Star Casino) or 18+ and present in D.C. First online real money wager only. $5 first deposit required. Bonus issued as nonwithdrawable bonus bets which expire 7 days after receipt. Restrictions apply. See terms at sportsbook.fanduel.com. Gambling Problem? Call 1-800-GAMBLER or visit FanDuel.com/RG. Call 1-888-789-7777 or visit ccpg.org/chat in Connecticut, or visit mdgamblinghelp.org in Maryland. Hope is here. Visit GamblingHelpLineMA.org or call [phone] for 24/7 support in Massachusetts, or call 1-877-8HOPE-NY or text HOPENY in New York. Check out Dirty Mo Media on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@DirtyMoMedia  Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

This is what I think. You go somewhere, somewhere, Vegas. You have your banquet celebration, crown your champion, all out there within days of the championship race. I agree. I agree. You could even do it that night. If you won the championship, though, were you wanting to go to the banquet?

Why not? That's a little early. I mean, you want to go party. Yeah, but I want to go fucking party. What is the banquet? The banquet is the party. Yeah, but you've got to be a little subdued. No, you don't.

So you run the, what the, the banquet can, is only like two hours. Travis has some dumb ideas, but I agree with them on this one. The following is a production of Dirty Mo Media. Hey, everybody's Dale Jr. back again for another episode of the Dale Jr. download. It is Tuesday's Dirty Air.

I'm here with my buddy, TJ. How are you? I'm good. How are you? Pretty good, man. I'm a head spinning, man. I noticed. It's Amy's birthday.

Oh, happy birthday, Amy. Hey, Amy? Yes. I put a post on my Instagram. If you got Instagram, go on there and say happy birthday try to tag her let's burn that phone of hers down let's get let's get her on back on the charger we're out the battery yeah get her up the battery worn down with some alerts and some alerts her way i'm a facetimer later facetimer yeah um she deserves to be celebrated she's awesome that's one thing that's probably the greatest thing

going on today is that it's her birthday We had a little scavenger hunt this morning with the girls that we put together. I took Nicole around town yesterday. We got a little bunk cake, put that in the oven, and hit it in the oven, I should say. I had a card for Nicole, card for Ila. They both drew and wrote in their cards, their little message. And I got Amy a little gift card to the nail shop and a little gift card to the nail shop, a little gift card to the spa and put it in each car for each kid.

And then we hid those. We hid one in the piano and we hid the other one under a lamp. And then we wrote little riddles on where you could find each gift. This is the most effort I think I've ever heard you put into a birthday. It's pretty good. So me and Amy have a job to do. tomorrow with, we got some work with high rock vodka. Yeah.

And so, and everything going on today, there's literally, there literally was no time to do it today or tomorrow. I got you. And so we had to get up this morning and have a scavenger hunt before we took the kids off to school. We got another thing going on, not so awesome. Our little June bug. We got the Pomeranian Junebug. We got the Irish setter, Gus. Junebug has got to be 15 years old

and Jimbug had a stroke oh yeah and so Junebug has lost some feeling I believe in some parts of his body because the way you ever had a cat or dog I suppose and you put tape on their paw how they act they can't they act like they can't feel right

he's doing that on a couple legs where he's not sure how where the ground's at and how much you know and he falls over He'd just fall over like a fainting goat. And not moving very well. And for about two days, it was mute. I just got a text to Mamie that he's barking.

So yesterday I got him just to growl just a little bit because I'll play with him about his food. He won't eat, hadn't been eating. He has been drinking some water. We're feeding him peanut butter off the tips of our fingers. It's about the only way we can get him to take anything down. And so it's touch and go over there for June. bug. The prognosis was from the from the vet was that he might have anywhere from two to six months, but I would say he's improved over the last couple days and Amy just takes me and

let me know he's starting to bark a little bit. So he's, he's feeling some, some, some, somewhat better. Yeah. But that was, that's a tough one because that's Amy's little man, you know. Of course, I love the dog too. He's been around forever. He has. But this has been tough on Amy. But y'all don't, y'all don't add that to your little messages of happy birthday. Okay? Let's keep her. Yeah. Keep her out. Let's just let her, yeah, when you let her, when you, and you hit Amy up on the Instagram, just tell her happy birthday. Don't worry about Jim Buck just yet. Also, before we get too far down the road, the car tour is back this weekend. Finally.

Wake County. I know it feels like it's been a long time. Forever. We did shorten, we did take a race or two out of the schedule this year to make it easier on the teams. It really was a lot of racing last year. But anyways, yeah, so it's been a little bit of time since our first race at New River All-American Speedway. Well, we're going to Wake County. Wake County is a tiny, tiny, tiny, tiny track.

So our fields typically at all these racetracks are limited to 28 or 30 cars. We may have more than that at Wilkesboro. But when we go to Wake County, we have to run about 26. It's too small. I'm going to Martinsville so I can listen to your ass spot. I know. You miss me once in a while. You got to come listen.

He really misses hearing you, T.J. Yeah. So I'm going to go to Martinsville and watch your Junior Motor Sports boys try to win one, get us a clock. But the rest of the crew is going to be over at Wake County with Connor Hall trying to make it two in a row. So, yeah, the Cars Tour is back. Watch that on Flow. Saturday night. Please watch your own flow.

I mean, honestly, the success of the Cars Tour is going to go through streaming success. If you like the Cars Tour and you want it to do well, take a look at it every once in a while on Flow. And that's how you can support us. If you can't get out to the racetrack and see the guys run, that's the way to do it. But also we've got the Cars Tour West. I mean, the Car Store is blowing up, man. It's, I never anticipated a getting this big. Car Store West has its own Instagram and social handles to be able to kind of follow along and see what's going on there.

Yeah. It's kind of, that's kind of been Harvick's brainchild. Remember the old Southwest Tour and things like that. That's kind of where he grew up. Absolutely. Yeah. Him and Hornady, all those guys came out. Carely.

Yep. And so that's kind of Harvick's brainchild is to branch us out and get us out on the West Coast. And they just had a race a couple weeks ago, right? They did. Yeah. Kern or. They ran Kern and somewhere else. But yeah, the Cars Tour West is kind of, it's in its second year.

And last year was just kind of a tip, dipping your toe into water kind of thing. But it's grown really well. And there's a lot, you know, car counts rising. So things are going well for the Cars Tour. but make sure not only if you're following what we're doing here on the East Coast, but also our West Coast tour, which you can follow their own handles to kind of keep up with them specifically. Hey, everybody, you want the latest Dale Jr. download apparel? Visit shop.durtymomedia.com.

We're always adding new stuff all the time, especially like when we say something silly on this show. We'll put it on a t-shirt. Again, check it out at shop.durtymoedia.com. Wyatt Miller, who is Kelly's and Kelly and LW's son, my nephew, he's been racing a lot. I mean, if you follow what we're doing around here, you'll catch a couple here and there, what he's doing with his dirt.

He runs dirt mainly for Chad Bowdo and micros and things like that. Yeah, Mill Bridge and all over the country. Travels a lot, races a lot. Hasn't done a ton of asphalt stuff. ran some Legends cars at Anderson and so forth. Well, near, I guess. But he's not run a lot of asphalt.

We got him in a limited car over at Hickory. He's running second race. The first race he went out there and run second. We got a nice little collection of cars that run a limited class over at Hickory. It's perfect for a young guy like Wyatt trying to get an introduction to late model stock or asphalt racing. Yeah, for sure.

He goes out there in race number two and wins. It was awesome. It was a good race, too. He drove a good line. You could see the potential there. You really can't. Connor Hall, Caden Cople, all of our whole crew, Slim, Brian, Schaefer, all of our groups taking him over there. And they're schooling him and in his ear and teaching him how to, you know, how to handle all this stuff.

And it's really, all that's paying off as well, why its own natural ability comes through. but the potential that you see there and him as a driver shines but the rest of the crew are sort of chaperowing him and he you couldn't have a better group of people with Brian Schaefer, Connor and all those guys

to help a young driver like that so Wyatt's in a great spot drove a good race ended up getting the trophy that's pretty important because Ralph Earnhardt raced there in the 50s one races literally at one point

got banned from racing there he won so much they tried to put a bounty on him and and he kept winning but uh they just kicked him out didn't they just said don't come back and well i mean it was just ruin it the crowd what you know was like i yeah i'm not going to go because rouse's going to win again um so it was like hurt they thought it was hurting her crowd and everything so it was detrimental to the racetrack to have ralph running there but uh dad ran there and won races and track championships in the 70s. I never want to race there. Kerry, I don't think,'s one one there.

Neither is Kelly. But we did run there in the 90s. Carrie and Kelly ran a little bit more than I did. Anyhow, cool deal for Wyatt. I want to say congratulations to him. He's racing in his little late model stock. So anyways, let's jump into Homestead. Justin Algargo goes back to back with a win.

And very high. happy for Junior Motorsports, obviously, to get two in a row. If y'all remember, I wish I could remember the year. It feels like it was 2016, 17, Chicago. And Justin won the race at Chicago, but it was a late restart, and I think he must have been fourth or fifth or sixth in line. I don't think we had been the best car all day long, but we had a late restart, and Justin attacked them and just whipped them past them.

somehow... Yeah, I remember that. You know, he just somehow pulled it off, right? And I was saying that to the beer toast at the shop the other day. I'll tell you what I told the whole shop floor. You know, I said, you know, we thank all those folks every time we get them together for a beer toast, which we've done two in a row now. And you say, hey, thanks for all the hard work.

I'll repeat myself from last week. Thanks for all the hard work. Everybody here's got, you know, got a lot of responsibilities, and it takes everybody doing everything right for us to go to the racetrack and be great. I said, I won't celebrate a little personality quirk in our driver, Justin Algar. And the fact that, so a lot of guys, listen, I'm going to be honest, race car drivers, you know, there's some great elite race car drivers out there. There's a lot of good race car drivers out there. And then there's some guys out there where you kind of got to hold their hand a little bit, but they can get the job done.

So not all of them have this particular quality. that I think Justin has. So if you race all day long and you're sitting there running third, fourth, fifth, the entire day, it sort of gets driven into your mind, you know, beat into your brain, lap after lap after lap, that you don't have the best car here today. That's okay. If today goes well, you should run in the top five and that will be a good result, right? And so as the days going on, you're running lap after lap after lap, you sort of come to this

prognosis or this assumption or this, you concede to the idea that, man, if we can get out of here with this result, I'll be satisfied because I feel like that that's our potential. And so when it comes down to a late caution, Justin must have been 14, 15 seconds behind when that caution came out. Larson's gone. We're still happy. Justin, you know,

we're all like, hey, this is still a decent result. We're on the lead lap. It was one of them days. Yeah. But the late yellow comes out. And I'm going to tell you,

I'm not overstating this, man, 80% of the drivers that are ever going to drive in NASCAR are not thinking, here's my shot to win. Why?

That makes no sense. Well, that was obvious on the restart, the choose. Sam Mayer's second and chooses inside road behind Larson thing. And okay, I'm just going to lose him anyway. I'm just going to push Larson to the win and try to get second. I'm going to get in the launch line.

Exactly. And so Justin has been in first before caution comes out and ends up not winning. So like, wouldn't you be like, okay, he's better than me today. but I've got a chance now. I don't get why you would ever be like, I'm good with third.

Yeah. Well, I guess, I mean, I will tell you that, especially in this particular instance, when you got a guy like Kyle Larson dominating the day, when the late yellow comes out, I don't think there was many people,

if there might not have even been one, sitting there going, I'm going, I'm going, I'm going to take this win, I'm going to steal this win away. Yeah, I agree. They all were thinking, I'm going to go down in the corner and try not to lose.

Like, I'm going to try not to restarting second. I'm going to try not to finish sixth. I'm going to try not to start and forth. I'm going to try not to fuck this up and finish 10th. I'm going to maintain. Yeah. Because you get down in there and get used up or get put three wide or get shoved out or somebody runs across your nose and takes the air off your car

and you can't throttle up off of two. You lose all kinds of spots. And then if you restart kind of in those situations, especially on a slick old racetrack. You just want to come back to the checkered where you restarted, at the least. And I'll tell you, man, look, I mean, this is a flaw of my own that I'm trying to admit to you. Like, if I'm sitting there in that car of Justin's, I'm not sitting there going, oh, man, I'm going to win this race. Or I got a chance to win this race.

Now, I'm going to fire it down in the corner and whatever happens happens. If they all, you know, fuck it up in front of me, I might, you know, end up victorious. Great. But I'm not seeing that. I'm not visualizing that as a driver leading up to that green flag. I know. You never see it happening like that. And I don't know that Justin is like, oh, man, I got a plan to get into Victory Lane.

But you got hope, though. Well, yeah. I mean, everybody's got hope, bud. Everybody's got hope. You won't torpedo this fucking idea of mine? I just don't think. I know, I'm not doubting that it's an idea that's true because obviously you had it. But I don't know how you could have it.

I think it's in the back of their minds right there because it's a restart. You never know what's going to happen. You never know what's going to happen. But I'm just going to tell you that given what I've seen from Justin and what I know as a driver and what I've watched in the last 40 years, Justin has something a little bit extra in those moments. Like he goes down in the corner, gets down in there, and he has to kind of make a decision to cross the 21 over. They made a perfect decision. Right.

And it was great. You know, and he's still. he's racing to win instead of to most people in that situation are racing to maintain or survive are they not yeah 100% he's racing and he flipped it right in the middle of that corner to racing to win and i think that that's what's what is fun about being his car owner is i i know and i know when we get that late restart and he's in the top four he's going to race to win as opposed to racing to survive. And that's fun.

I think in the first 100 feet, when he saw Larson spin his tires and he cleared him into one, I think Justin knew it was like that was the switch that got flipped right there. His mind changes quicker in those moments. He sees opportunity and seizes it, right? Right then. Right then. Where I don't know that a lot of guys are that quick. to sort of to get, to flip that mode and make happen what needs to happen, right?

I'll just say, man, I've had a lot of drivers come through this, this building. Let's just talk, let's just say, let's just whittle it down to the people that have drove for me. They're great. They've gone on to be champions. And, and, but he, but not every single one of them has that little gator in them. You know what I mean? Yeah. I mean, it's just a neat little quality where he,

just he can flip to that he can flip from that i'm going to try not to this up and just try to maintain i don't want to spend i don't want to spend my tires i want i'm you know i'm going to go off in here and try to at least get this top four right and he and when he sees that opportunity he it's a quick quick transition blood in the water and goes for it it's quick all right so let's move on to the um the cup race there was some strategy and some comers and goers some guys that had some you know some guys where they're there was parts of the race where, you know, certain people's cars handled better than others and they faded and some other guys come on strong. And, you know, that's kind of what you expect at a place that handling is such a premium.

And so it definitely ended up, we got lucky, I think, at the end of that race to have Larson, you know, chasing somebody down, right? I mean, Larson at the end of the race had the best car. But fortunately for all of us as viewers, he had to work to get to the front. It wasn't just a, he wasn't just like in that Xfinity race driving away from everybody. So Alex Bowman is running on the fence, trying to do the best thing he can, come down inside of 10 laps to go. And man, you're watching that race and both of them are kind of getting into the fence a little bit, even so slightly. Sure. You know, ever so easily touching the wall.

But Bowman, basically, so the car runs through the corner in y'all. And Amy's always asking me what these y'all means. She'd never heard that term before. The car goes through the corner pitched in y'all. And so, and that's awesome. You want that. You want that car yawed out. Not too far.

That's when it's called loose. but if it's yawed out and got good side force, man, you can really make some work at homestead. And you get up against the wall with the car in a pitch and you'll kind of clip the right rear against the fence a little bit. What you don't want happening is basically the right rear hits the wall so much or so hard that it slides the front tires up into the fence. and that's when that's kind of what happened to Bowman happens it's bad with the trucks you know any kind of car especially that has the body sort of wedged or the right rear hanging out like our trucks and our our affinity cars do um you can kind of you get that right rear into the fence and you get in there a bit too hard and that right rear gets too much contact it kind of it brings the front slight the right front tire starts to lose traction and the car on the car on the car

almost wedges into the wall. And then it's like you can't get off of it. Wall glue. Yes. And then you blow the damn sidewall out of the tire because you're sitting there trying to turn the steering wheel to get the car off the wall, and you're just dragging the sidewall

with some incredible force against the outside retaining wall, and it blows out the sidewall. That's why you get those flat tires on the Xfinity car so easily. Larson is in elite territory with running the high side. The secret to running the top very good is all on entry. And I tried to explain this to drivers. I even tried to explain it to one of our drivers this weekend before they flew out to Homestead.

I used to run the top a lot, especially at Homestead. We'd go there for a tire test And dude on a green racetrack I could smoke everybody's ass Over three Tenths to a half a second faster Over a quarter Over a 20 lap run

Just hollin ass up there And running the top When you're doing it right Should be very easy A lot of drivers that Try to run the top try to charge the entry too hard. And so when you run a racetrack, you enter,

as hard as the car can enter without pushing, without missing the middle. You drive the car always to a limit of the tire, entering the corner, center, exit. You're really pushing the car all the way up to that slip angle of the tire. And when you run the top, you don't do it that way. You can back your entryway up. You can coast into the corner.

If you're pushing the car to the level of the slip angle of the tire on entry running the wall, you're doing it wrong. All of the speed isn't gained on entry or anywhere else. It's all how quick can I get to the throttle and how much I can maintain throttle. and basically you're making the straightaway longer. If we just don't think about the shape of the track. If you think about the straightaway as the time that you're in the gas, from the moment you pick the throttle up to the moment you lift for the next corner, you're trying to maximize being in the throttle more, longer.

And so I try to tell drivers all the time, like don't, if you're getting in the corner and you're like, oh, I'm sliding. I'm going to hit, oh, I'm going to hit the wall. If that's going on, you're doing it wrong. You're way over your head getting in the corner. And so you got to get in there real easy. Roll in, coast.

You're not even near pushing the car to its full potential in terms of grip on entry. But you get in there and you pick the throttle up like quarter throttle, half throttle, really, really early. And you hold it there. You just sit there and hold that throttle all the way through the center of the corner. And you start kind of feeding the car a little more and more and more gas. And you're just kind of always doing that. You never want to feed it so much gas that you kind of got to back out of the throttle again on the corner exit

just so you don't smack the fence, right? You've got to kind of know like I can give it a little bit more and more and more and more. As you're kind of feeding the throttle, you're finishing the corner. And then by time you're near exit, you ought to be full throttle. and sending the car down a straightaway. And that's how you get these massive runs on the people that are running the bottom of the racetrack or the middle of the racetrack.

The entry should be easy. The entry should be simple. There should be no challenges on entry of the corner. There should be, you shouldn't be even nowhere near getting that car into the fence. And so it's kind of like this weird rubber band effect

or a pendulum, right? You coast into the corner and then early throttle. And then you start trodling up more, more, more, more, more, more speed. And then coming off the corner, you should be hauling ass. And so, you know, and you just, and it's repetition. Can you stay in that same path because you've got other cars? So how do you... Well, that's where it gets messed up.

That's where it gets messed up. So when you're, you know, when you run up on somebody running the wall in front of you, certainly you have to adjust. You have to run a lane down. Or, you know, you can, you can, you can, try to get that run on them and try to slide job them into the next corner. There is this nice new kind of move that's came around since I was racing at Homestead where you can drive off into the bottom of turn one and two and up into the third and fourth groove.

Yeah. Saw the 23 doing that. Bubba Wallace. Yeah. It's because you back your, when you catch somebody around the top, they back their entry up so much like you said. You can drive really hard into the bottom and take their line before the exit. You saw Larson almost get Denny at the end of stage two, I think, doing that. And you just, once you get in front of them and stay.

steal their error. It kind of, you know, it kind of puts him in such a compromises situation. There's nothing they can do about it. They're not going to, they're not going to drive over you on corner exit. The worst part is catching somebody that's running the top, but not really running the top, and they think they are, and they're... They're a foot and a half off the wall. Yeah, or half a car or anything. You're like, come on, just down or up.

Yeah. Well, I'm going to tell you, man, racing at Homestead is a blast. Running the wall is a blast. There's nobody that does it as good as Larson. and the reason why is because Larson enters on the wall. A lot of guys are scared to enter on the wall because they think, well, if I enter right on the wall, there's no room for error.

I'm going to, you know, if I try, if I get in there a little too far, even a half a car link too far, I'm going to hit it. And it makes it worse too. Yeah. And there's zero, zero room for error when you enter right on the wall. And so a lot of guys will enter a car length. car length low and slide up to the wall, that still can run a decent lap time, but it won't run the

lap time that Kyle Larson can make. To me, that's harder to do, though, because you're judging more things when you enter on the wall, you're literally just, you're in there easy. When you're, when you slide up, you're always managing the slide up, your speed on entry up, like, and then where you're going to get to the wall at. To me, that's even, that's harder to do than running the fence on the entry. It's harder on the tire, too, because you're sliding the tire to the center. The cheese grater going right across the track. You're driving it in, high, harder than you should. You're worried about slapping the fence in the middle.

You're not picking the throttle up. Larson's already in the gas. Oh, yeah. He's already, by time you get up to the wall, if you're entering a half a car length off the wall and slide in, by time you get to the wall, that's kind of when you're starting to go to throttle. He's already in the gas behind you. His average speed from the center off is way higher.

Mid-corner speed is where he's beating your ass. And so another thing, too, is he doesn't rush to throttle. Like he can you get in the middle so he he's coasting in nice and easy Where the guy that's running a little bit lane half a lane or lane lower is sending it in there harder and and Having to like every once in while slap the wall because they're trying too hard he's coasting in It's way easier on his tire. He's picked the gas up way before you so he's rolling up to you as you're trying to not hit the fence and then you pick the gas up right and then you got a thrust throttle, and you might grab a little too much throttle at the three-quarter part of the corner and then have to come roll back off 10, 15%, so you don't smack the wall on the corner exit.

He's just coming, man. He's just building in speed, smart and clean. He can probably go to more throttle in the middle of the corner. He doesn't. He's going to finish the corner. The gain on the top is finishing the corner with throttle. and he will sacrifice and maybe give up a bit in the middle of the corner still beat you through there

but man the gain he gets on corner exit because he's so clean on throttle and he can do it every single lap is it an experience thing or just a skill thing because there's many drivers that are older than Larson and we talk about Reddick being really going on the wall too and he's younger so is it more of these guys and what their racing styles are and what they grew up with versus experience Here's the admission to, here's the answer to that, but the also, the moment I saw it.

We were at Chicago, Kyle was racing in the 42. Well, I think, I think, you know, before Kyle Larson got here, I felt like I was one of the three best running the top. And I thought, you know, and I would go up there and run the wall. at Chicago or Atlanta in some of these places. And, you know, I'd be motoring up on people. And they'd tell, their spider would be like, man, you've got to get up higher. He's higher. He's higher than you are.

And they're like, ain't a way, you know. And then Kyle Larson comes onto the scene. And we're racing at Chicago. And I'm running the top. And so is he. Nobody's running higher than both of us, but he's doing one thing different. He's beating me, and he's doing it.

He's doing one thing different than I am. And I saw it. I couldn't believe it because it just didn't make any freaking sense, but we were going down to Front Straightaway. And when you get to the end of the Front Straightaway, Chicago, the outside wall goes out about a half a car link. and there's this sort of the wall

just goes out in a way to the right. A little bit. A little bit. Yep, I can see it. And then it wraps around the corner, right? And I didn't think to follow the wall

while, you know, I'll just cut that little part off and drive into the corner and then get back to the wall and I'm good, right? And I'm up on time. I'm running around there. And I'm, I see him out there in front of me

about five cars. and when he, he got to turn one, and he chased the wall. The wall steered out toward the right, and he followed it. And so, I've got, and I mean, he was in, what he, what he gained from that happened in the middle, in the exit of the corner. And I watched him do that about two laps, and I thought, damn, man, like, that's, that's, he's dotting eyes and crossing T's and he's doing all the details

like I'm running the top but this man's not leaving no stone unturned and the reason why I think that that the one of the things that I think is happening there is I talked about how the car is in y'all

it's pitched right if the wall is always perpendicular right if the wall is always straight, even in the turn, right? You put a car

up against the wall. The side of that car is in y'all. And so what that creates is a funnel, right? The car's pitched right up against the wall, and it creates a funnel. All this air is coming down the right side of the car, and it's getting packed

and condensed right back at that right recorder panel. And it creates a cushion, a pillow, a bubble, and the more perfect you can make that, the closer you can get that right rear quarter panel to the wall, the more side force you create an add to your car. And so Larson showed me that day

that he wants that side force and that potential to have that side force at all times. and so he would enter he chased the wall to keep the car pitched and up against it even way early on entry and so that's what he then took to homestead

particularly the entrance to turn three if you really want to go study some of his watch how he enters turn three when he's on the wall that's what Denny said is one and two people are pretty close but three and four is where he really excels yes he enters he never He never leaves it.

At his closest point to the fence, where we always kind of see maybe brushing the wall on Exeter 4, he's just as close entering. That's what you got to celebrate. Well, Alex Bowman tried his hardest to put the laps together. I think, you know, you're looking in the mirror and maybe with that digital dash and how clear that is, it's even more apparent. You know, the guy's getting closer, getting closer, getting closer. or so, you try harder. And when you try harder running the wall, that's what happens. You know, like when you're running, when you got a guy up there running against the wall,

you can't give it more throttle. You can't send it in there deeper. You can't pick the gas up sooner. There's nowhere to go. You're going to hit the wall. You're doing everything you can do. The best thing that Bowman could have done, the only thing, the only option that Bowman had was to just sit there and try not to hit the wall and hope that that would be enough.

With like four to go, Kyle actually got into one. Yeah. I don't know if they showed her on TV or not. I looked down there and Kyle got into one a little hot and kind of caught the right front with just the littlest bit of the wall. And I was like, to me, that was like if Alex saw that or I don't know if Kevin Hamlin a spot or told him. But to me, that was like, okay, this guy's, he struggled.

Like, he's trying hard here. And if I put my car in just the right spot, he might not get me. It was going to, it was, I mean, I felt like that Larson would have figured it out probably would have done a slide job or something like that if he got close enough to get close to yeah he would have probably figured out a way to get around the 48 but i honestly i mean boman's only chance was to i mean in that moment he's sitting there and i'm thinking man the only somebody needs to tell him all you got to do is just don't hit anything and just just run run the best lap you can without hitting the wall and and i know he's trying to do that but yeah it's

Basically, that's what you, it's all you can do, right? And it was a tough spot for him to be in. And he ended up again, collecting the wall a little bit and sucking the right front kind of slant. Still a great run for Alex, though. Yeah, it was. I was glad that his car, you know, come off the wall, didn't have a flat or anything like that. Yeah. God, that had been terrible at your day like that.

Sitting there leading the race and then he come down on pit road, you got to give up a lap. Ryan Blaney had the best car at many points in the race and blew up, uh, engine hand-grenated one. Another one. Spectacular fashion. How frustrated is that when you have a fast car? It just blows up. I'll be honest.

This is another one in things where I think different. Some drivers are different. Blaney, his reaction is not uncommon, not unusual, but probably more on the, more frustrated side of things. I think, I mean, I'm not, Blaney is spicy. Yeah, we all know he's a fiery one on the radio.

Yeah, but, you know, I always felt like when something happened that was out of my control, I was like not as bothered by when something happened that was in my control. troll, right? Now, if I'd built the motor, I'd feel like a piece of shit. You know, I'd be damn disappointed. I'd be sad, disappointed, apologetic.

But, you know, if I'm racing and drive the car into the wall or wreck myself, then I'm, you know, then I feel terrible and upset and mad about it. But if the motor blew up or we run out of gas, now, you know, there's a couple times we ran out of gas. I got pretty angry. But most times... Which time was the worst? Pocono. I was with Tony Jr. It's 2008 or so.

It was 2008. We were... I'd have been with you, so... Yeah. We were running 12th. And, man, I had been busting my ass all day to run 12th. And we ran out of gas with two laps to go. It wasn't even close.

And everyone else made it. I was like... Oh, yeah, that does make you mad when that happens. Yeah, I was like, how the hell? are we that far off. I got out of the car and took my helmet and knocked a left front fender off of it.

I was so pissed. And that was for 12th place that? Yeah. I know. It doesn't make sense. I run out of gas office turn four leading the world or the Charlotte race.

I don't know if it was the 600 or the second race. I was a 600. Was it? Yeah, it was 600. I mean, I ran I guess there and I'm like, well, you know, we knew we were tight.

We knew we were close. Okay, I see. That wasn't, that's a heartbreaker for a lot of people. I see that pop up on. social media for fans of our people. But you had a shot at it. Yeah.

Like you were in a position that you probably shouldn't have been in already, right? Running out of gas when you're not supposed to is really frustrating. But I'm just saying we're getting in the weeds here. If I was Blaney, I would have been, I would have probably, if I was in Blaney's shoes, my reaction would have been different than his. Now that doesn't make it right. He's a champion. What was his interview?

I didn't see what he said. He's the one that's one that went all the way to Phoenix and done it. And so maybe his attitude is the right one to have, being fiery and being emotional and being bought. He's bought in. He's all in. There is a big debate about Homestead, Miami hosting the championship race. I think that debate or that idea is still alive and well. Is it true?

I thought I heard the boys on DBC say that somebody was, some of the drivers were headed down there to announce it. have heard that and then somehow the deal didn't fall through but it just didn't get I don't I don't think it was scheduled to be done yet I don't know I mean I I've heard the same things everyone else has heard then there's been talks of Vegas potentially really after the following year oh so like going to Homestead then Vegas yeah don't hate either one of those what if you did so Denny's ideas he wants a three race for the championship oh what if you did Phoenix Vegas and Homestead it doesn't matter As long as it's three, even if you put Martinsville in there, it's fine.

Yeah. So my, this is what I think. You go somewhere, somewhere, Vegas. And then you crown, you, you, you have your banquet celebration, crown your champion all out there within days of the championship race. I agree. I agree. You could even do it that night. You could have the championship race on Sunday and then have your banquet Sunday night.

If you won the championship That were you wanting to go to the banquet I don't know if you do the banquet That's a little early I mean you want to go party Yeah but I want to go fucking party What is the banquet? The banquet is the party

Yeah but you got to be a little subdued like No you don't So you run the What the The banquet can Is only like two hours Travis has some dumb ideas But I agree with them on this one

I'm just saying you want to go to bed Wake up next morning You want to go party And then have the banquet win I think do it a few days later. Do it Wednesday or something. You make everybody hang around out there for a couple days? Yeah, whoever's going to the banquet.

If you lost, do you want to go sit there at the banquet also? Well, you can go home. Go home. Take your ass home. I did. I didn't go to all the banquets. I don't think many are sticking around. If you don't win the championship, you lose it, you're not sticking around.

So it's going to be a banquet of one? What is the fucking deal, Travis? Have you ever been to the banquet? I have not. All right. So do you know that not everybody goes? Do you know that some of the drivers don't go? Do you know that they only go when NASCAR makes them go?

But don't you make it even less people that are going to go if it's that night? The night of the... No, you'd have more. You think people are going to a banquet in the middle of December and you're going to get more people than if you had it right after the championship race while everybody, the whole fucking industry is there. Why would that not make sense? I think that night's a little aggressive,

but I think that the closer you can do it to that is better, though. Yeah, like maybe a day later. Yeah, meet us in the middle, Dale. One day after, but Monday. Yeah, I mean, whatever. What if you had a Saturday night race and a Sunday night banquet? Maybe that. I just having a banquet on a Monday just sounds silly.

But I don't know. I think Vegas, the Vegas banquet was a blast. Because, I mean, that was one I rarely skipped. So, okay, this is what it comes down to. Location, Location. Oh, yeah. It does matter. Like it does matter.

So listen, I thought, I think it was, it was, it was good in Nashville, good in Charlotte. But Miami, Miami's can be good. If you're in Homestead, you go to Miami. Yeah. Vegas was fun because, listen, you go to the banquet and you had, you get, you didn't mind coming in a couple days early. Because every, you're going to, you're going to have fun, you're going to gamble, you're going to go to the restaurants, you're going to eat the dinners, the places you like. Go to a show. Wife's excited.

Yep. Wife's excited. She's coming along. You're going to have some fun. It was almost like about four or five date nights in a row. Yeah. It was awesome. And then, yeah, you had the banquet.

If you ain't winning a championship, the banquet's blah. Yeah. I mean, for everyone else besides the champion, the banquet's just kind of a. But the trip's fun. Mandatory thing, right? Yeah. When the banquet's over, you really get mad gas, right? You might go to the championships party.

You might go wherever the hell you won't, right? But you got, it's your last night in Vegas, right? So you stay on the, you get on the gas, you have some fun. And everybody goes, everybody gets a little tuned up at night. Everybody's gambling a little later normal. And it's just a fun deal. So maybe after having those thoughts, you go, you run the race, and then the banquet's like Wednesday.

Right. I can sign off on that one. See, I think, Key West to me, or not Key West. Key West. Homestead to me is similar, but in a different respect. Because people like to go to Homestead because of Key Largo, because of Key West. They make it a different type of, like, a lot of guys, a lot of teams went early to go fishing for a day. Yeah.

And there's things like that that I think that location offers different type of things. I agree. It's a great location, a great place to hang out. Key West is awesome. But, I mean, in terms of like a banquet, I don't know really where you. you would have the banquet that it could compete with Vegas. Because, man, you go to Vegas, well, the banquet, wherever the, whatever the hotels,

the banquet's in, man, you could stay in that hotel and eat at six freaking restaurants and never leave the building. Go to the banquet, do all the things, and never leave. The same building. And, hell, some of them are tied together. You can go from one casino to the next without going outside. It's just fun. And I don't know.

I don't know that there's a perfect three race round for the championship. But I'd be hesitant to throw a Daytona or a Talladega or Atlanta in it. I think it has to be said. I'd be hesitant to put one of them in there. And I'd be hesitant to put a road course in there. I would be too. Even though road courses are becoming a dominant part of our schedule and probably going to continue to increase.

in numbers. I just think stock cars and short tracks and oval tracks and mile and a halfs and Darlington's and all those are the ones that are that that's NASCAR to me. And so I would want it to be three ovals. One more piece of information for Martinsville, the tires this weekend, they're going to be the same as in November. Tires for Martinsville weekend are the same as November. No two different versions of tires this weekend and not expected to have teams.

choose among two versions, parentheses, primary and option during a race again this year. That's interesting. Yeah. We saw what it did at Phoenix. Yeah. Why not do it this weekend? My question is, is the same tire that they ran in November, T.J. Is that the soft tire? Is that the option tire?

I thought that's what they said. Yeah. But I'm not exactly sure if that's what it is. Has Goodyear and NASCAR, maybe listening to some of the drivers, decided to go ahead and do away with the primary at all of these tracks. And let's go to, you know, let's go to these short tracks or let's go when we go back to Phoenix. Maybe we have just the option tire, the soft tire. I'd be okay with that. That's what we all want.

Yeah, I'm 100% fine with it. That's what we're all wanting. And that's what Denny said over and over. He's like, hey, we've learned that the option tire is the better tire. And let's just run that tire, right? I'd be okay with an option of the option. Yeah. Maybe the option becomes the primary and we go even softer.

Exactly. Even more aggressive. I am on board with that. Give me the softest tire possible. Yeah. Well, that's a gamble that I don't know that Goodyear's willing to take. there might be some more creeping up on that. I just don't like off topic a little bit.

We brought the same tire back to Bristol the second race and it ran completely different. They said they brought the same tire back. Remember that? I know. I don't understand that. Like how can it be that drastically different? Yeah.

But I enjoyed the managing of the tires and watching the drivers not just be it, you know, have to actually put another element into their into their toolbox. you know, pull another tool out where they had to, okay, if I drive too hard, I'm going to pay for this. But I've got a little bit there if I want to try to go past a couple guys. Like, I really enjoyed that. Maybe I'm alone in that, but I liked that part of it.

All right, Kyle, thanks for tuning in today, man. Where are you at? I'm at HMS. I'm outside the Exalted building. That's where we, like, they set up all the diecast cars to sign, so I was just signing some diecast. Yep. What else happens today? Today.

You got a comp meeting? Was that yesterday? yesterday. Today I got to some people from McLaren are coming by to show me, I guess they have like a new steering wheel or something. So I don't know if I need to like mold my hand to it or what, but I got to do that next. And then the kids race at Millbridge later tonight.

So I think I'm busy sometimes. But then I hear about the life that you're living these days. And I don't know how you do it, man. I mean, you have like, you know, all of the things that you do driving the cup car the indie car stuff with you know racing with your son your your your high limit sprint car series all of that stuff takes a ton of time and and dedication and i'm just curious as to you know kind of how you all fit it together and you know what's the motivation yeah no it's um i mean it gets overwhelming at times but for the

most part, I guess it's just what I'm used to. So I don't know. I don't know anything different. I don't really feel like I'm that crazy busy. But yeah, I mean, there's different points of the year that that are busier than others. I think, you know, I would say about now till August is pretty wide open with racing and, you know, especially with indie stuff in May. that was, you know, really busy last year doing all that. And then, yeah, the summer months are just crazy with the amount of dirt racing that I do. But once I get to August, about when the playoffs start, it's really, you know, dirt racing is done then. Really just NASCAR stuff.

And I get to spend more time at home, which is nice. You know, that's the time of year I get to go to Audrey's baseball games and go to more Millbridge races and just be a normal. person, go on the lake a little bit. But right now it's just a grind. I got to ask you, incredible job this past weekend. I know you love racing at Homestead, and you certainly have a knack for that particular track

and the style of getting around that place. And we talk about it here on the show. I think LaTart talks about it a little bit on social media today about where you maximize your speed. and I was telling these guys a story about seeing kind of the first time I really studied your line was at Chicago. I was on the racetrack with you. And Chicago had this funky little interest to turn one where the wall actually steered away from the racetrack and kind of went to the right. And I always kind of shortcuted that into term one and just met the wall somewhere about the 20% mark.

But I saw you follow it. And I thought, damn, I never thought to follow the fence, even if it was kind of going away from me. and then you brought that to homestead especially particularly entering turn three that was something i think you did before anyone else we always kind of entered the corner about a half a lane off and get to the fence around the 20 or 40 percent mark you were the first one to really start you know kind of enter the corner where you were on the wall as close to the wall as you possibly could be and you find a way to make that produce speed for the rest of the corner it's a fascinating thing I don't know if you can really articulate, you know, what you're trying to do up there to us today,

but I think everybody just wants to celebrate you and being somebody that does that may possibly, arguably better than anybody else in the series. What's the trick to run into the top? Well, thank you. That's cool to hear. I don't, I miss Chicago. Chicago was a fun track. I don't remember. I feel like turn one was kind of similar to.

Kansas. Like Kansas, you do a little bit of that. But the surface was way more war out then. So yeah, I miss Chicago. But anyways, yeah, I mean, running the wall, I don't know. Like it's, I mean, yeah, the more you can commit on entry to, you know, being next to the wall with speed, I think is important. It is, I feel like how you carry a speed. You know, a lot of people I feel like either when I'm behind them or when I, you know, look at it. You know, look at it. You know, at what they're doing on SMT. I think, you know, they try to enter fast, but they

carry that speed a little bit too far and then that's when they either hit the wall or they have to stop too much too late around the corner. Where I don't know, I just have a good rhythm and cadence to like entering against the wall with the right amount of speed

where I don't have to like, I'm you know, decelerating obviously but I'm decelerating in a nice way and and getting to my minimum corner speed, I feel like, earlier than most to where I can kind of crack the throttle early and start building that momentum on exit. But yeah, I think, you know, you do have to drive in the corner a long ways. I feel like in turn three at Homestead when I'm behind people anyways, I feel like I drive in, you know, a few car lengths deeper than them, but also get stopped a little sooner than them and then able to, you know, accelerate. And then turn one, turn one, I feel like I'm about the only one that runs the wall at that end anymore.

Just with the Nection car having a lot more grip, you know, guys can make the shorter entries work for a while. But, and I can make it work as well. But I just feel like for the duration of the run, it's better if I'm just against the wall. But turn one's a much more difficult entry than three. Like turn three, you kind of naturally enter pretty high already. where turn one is kind of like the Chicago or Darlington into turn three. Like you've got to kind of swing out left and then come, you know, meet the wall earlier. And it's so long around there that it's challenging because you've got to really commit at that corner.

But I don't know, it's fun, you know, feeling like you've got something figured out that the field still has not figured out. And, you know, obviously it's a huge advantage of mine there. Yeah, it's pretty cool because, um, with the data that we have and the way we can all kind of look at everything everybody's doing, to be able to still have that advantage is pretty spectacular because most everybody can kind of look at how you're driving the car, but they just can't go out there and instantly replicate it. You were trying to win all three races this past weekend, came up unfortunately a little short on the Saturday race.

How important is that feat for you? Is that really truly something that you want to accomplish it? some point will you try to put together a three race weekend again down the road yeah yeah i'm going to do bristol here coming up yeah um but i feel like that'll be tougher than what homestead was just because i feel like at homestead i can i can really stand out even more so than bristol but yeah i mean it's it's something that would be obviously really cool to accomplish someday you know especially with kyle bush being the only other one the only one you know to do it and he's done it twice now. Um, so it'd be pretty neat to, to join him on that and, and, um, you know,

have him not be the only guy to ever do it, but, um, it's tough. And it, and it's much tougher, you know, these days, I feel like, because we just have less opportunity to, to do it. You know, back, back in the day, you could run however much you wanted. And, and if, if we were allowed to, I would probably do it more often, but, you know, we're pretty limited and all that. But, you know, I had a blast this weekend. It was really cool getting to run all three. You know, thanks to Spire Motorsports for let me run the truck. Got super lucky, you know, at the end of that thing, but was really fast.

And then, yeah, the Xfinity race was a bummer, but fun to get to race with, you know, the 17 group and Adam Wall, who was my engineer back in our, you know, awesome season we had in 2021 the Cup series. And then, yeah, the Cup race ended well. It was a fight. But, you know, to win two out of three, really three out of four, I won a sprint car race in California early in the week. So I guess if I would have won all three at Homset,

I would have had something up on Kyle because I won four in a week. But, no, it's fine. Hopefully we'll have another opportunity to try and get it done with Bristol coming up. But like I said, it's tough. It's really tough. Yep. And that sprint car race, did you, could you feel the heat off your, I've never seen a rotor, like the brakes on a sprint car glow like they were in that race.

Could you feel the heat in the car when you're driving? I couldn't feel the heat, but I could see that my cockpit was glowing. I've never seen one glow as much as they were glowing in that race. And they were so much sparks coming off that thing. Yeah. So we tried a different brake pad combination, I guess, that night, like a softer pad. and because I went to Australia this winter and I was like, man, the brakes in the car that I was in there were like way more aggressive, which I think would be a good thing for us to try on a shorter track or a track you have to slow down like Tulare was. But I wore right through the pads.

Oh, you could tell. Yeah. So, yeah, it was tough because I couldn't slow down like I needed to. but it made for cool shots and cool pictures, but made it a bit more challenging behind the wheel. I want to give you one last opportunity here before we let you go to kind of celebrate High Limit and what you guys have built there.

It's incredible, to be honest with you, the series that you've developed and the success that it's had the announcements here recently with the charters and just how you guys are able to try to make this more successful and financial for team owners and just the light you're shining on dirt racing and also the crowds at all of the events are spectacular. I was fortunate enough to go out and experience one a couple years ago. Just wanted to give you a chance to speak on that a little bit because what you guys are doing is phenomenal. Yeah, thanks. And thanks for giving a moment to kind of highlight it because

it is something that we're all really proud of, for sure. You know, just this, we're going into our second full-time season as a national tour. And what we, I feel like, have accomplished to this point has been great. You know, the racing on track's been awesome. As you mentioned, the crowd's been good. The broadcasts have been great. But, you know, most importantly, I feel like here lately, you know, we were finally able to kind of piece together our, which we're calling it a franchise system now.

But yeah, just trying to grow the sport, you know, turn it into less of a hobby for these team owners. And, you know, more something that they could make some substantial money and not lose money every year. So, yeah, I'm just proud of the whole high-limit team. It's a lot of hard work, a lot of dedication, a lot of hours on the road, too, while you're doing all of it. So I look forward to the future. I think, you know, we continue to grow. You know, our viewership numbers are, you know, number one in sprint car racing. So that's something to be proud of as well in such a short time.

So but it takes a huge group of, you know, team of people between flow racing and high limit and everybody involved. So it's fun. It's really, like I said, it's really rewarding to see the hard. hard work paying off. So super proud everybody there. Yeah, we're thankful for it. I think it shows everybody whether you're in dirt or in pavement that there's ways to make this a success. And it's a great, it's a great example you're setting for for other series. So we appreciate your time today. We kept you a little bit longer than, than we should have. Thank you for giving us a minute to talk to you today. Congratulations on the win and take it easy, man. Yeah, I appreciate it. Thank you guys.

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proud premier partner of NASCAR. Now, in the closing read, there's tons of racing puns. So stay tuned for those. Yeah. Yeah, so it's

Amy's birthday. Happy birthday. Birthday, Amy. Hey. 38, right? 28. Let's not even go there, but he's just dangerous.

That's very dangerous. Anyways, Andrew's here. We got some great questions, I assume, for Ask Junior today. Lots of good ones. His first one is from Speedy Pete on Twitter, and he was listening to the Tony Gibson episode and wants to know who the hell is Two Beer. Two Beer is Kevin Pinell.

Kevin Pinell is Tony Jr.'s brother-in-law. Okay. From Tony Jr.'s first marriage. So Tony Jr. married Kevin's wife. or Kevin's sister, I'm sorry. Okay. Whoa. Tony Jr. married.

Stop it. You said it. I'm old. I'm old. All right. I'm old. It's Monday. And it's Monday.

I had to spend it. It's Tuesday. He didn't pick up on that joke. It's Tuesday. It is Tuesday. See, I'm all messed up. I'm in bad shape. All right.

So I got a lot going on. Pretty busy. But, um. Celebrating his birthday tomorrow. Today. Tomorrow. Anyway. so Tony Jr. married Kevin's sister

and Kevin was part of the old original AC Delco Xfinity team all the way up until he was with Tony Gibson when they won the Daytona 500 with Kurt Busch so he was with that team for all of that same team for all his years. Yeah. And the reason why they call him two beers because he'd get drunk on two beers.

Sounds like my guy. He definitely built up a tolerance, but they'd give him a hard time of how he was. Because Tony Jr., Tony Sr., and that crew, when they would go to the racetracks back in the A.C. Delquodays, they'd go into the hotel bar and drink some beer on Friday night. They did it on Thursday night Friday. That was what they did.

They'd go eat dinner, and they'd go in a hotel bar, drink beer and laugh and hoot and holler. And so Kevin had to fall in line, you know, and have some beers. and he'd get too drunk after two beers. Like I'm two beer. He sounded, I mean, at least the story Tony told was wild. Like, he basically wanted to run away with a confiscated part.

So, like, was that his personality? He's short in stature, but strong and tough. He was Jackman for a little bit, wouldn't he? And I don't know. I can't remember that. But yes, he was. I ran over him, I think. So when we come down, I think he was the one I ran over him.

Oh, really? So in 1998, my first pit stop, Daytona 300 or whatever, in the Xfinity series, I think Kevin's the one I hit. He ran out there and he came out there too soon. And I was sliding through the pit. So I was overshooting the pit and he was like, I'm here. Hey, whoa. I got nowhere to go, put up on the hood of this car. So there's a picture of him flying through the air, Jack flying, him flying.

luckily he was fine and then there is this really clip that this paints me in a bad light I will say I know that's hard to believe but we're racing at we're racing at Sonoma

which I wasn't a big fan of I'm out there struggling my ass off trying to road course race and so I wasn't very good at it um Kevin broke his hand during a pit stop. And so I'm out there wrestling around

with his car and I said something on the radio and Tony Jr. didn't respond. I said, hey, let's answer that question. I just asked you. Tony Jr.'s like, hold up. We got somebody in the pits here. What a broke hand. And I was like, who? Broke hand. He goes, yep, two beer broke his hand. And I was like, well, tell him to walk

it off. Like you can't walk off with the broken hand. But I was being a smart ass. Of course, Kevin, Kevin's like family. That whole crew's like family. But Kevin more so because he's, he is family with Tony Jr., who is my family. And so we all were very close. People might have heard that.

And I still see it on YouTube or clips today where people play it. And people might go, wow, what a... But we were that close, right, that we could talk about each other. But anyhow. What's the conversation like after you hit somebody on Pit Road? I mean, you have to, like, drive away, you know, because, like, you're still in a race. But like that, is that an awkward conversation? Well, sorry, I hit you with my race car.

You know. Well, it depends. In that situation, I was out of my, I was in over my head. I was a rookie, had never performed a pit stop before. I'm coming down pit road, and I've been going, I've been out on the track going 180 miles an hour, and now I come down pit road. And I think I'm going slow enough. But I'm probably, instead of going like 20 miles an hour, I'm probably going

75 miles an hour, right? And so I get to the pit stall to stop the car and it just locks up the tires. It's just, you know, it just locks all the tires up because they're hard as a rock at Daytona. And I slide right through the pit. And he had committed to coming out there. Now, if I get into the box, he doesn't get hit. But I'm coming through the box. And he had nowhere to go. And so that was just a bad deal. But he was unhurt, which was

you know so then it was easy to move on now you run over somebody i've clipped people that have had their legs out like in the stall in front of me like a guy like a jackman or somebody with his leg way out there and you'll clip you'll clip him and you're like you know that's a dangerous thing because you could you could lacerate their achilles or whatever and you're you're thinking you know dang i hope that that person's okay i feel bad about that because that was just an unfortunate situation um and that's not my crew guy i don't know him and I don't know how this is going to. So that's, that's tougher, I think. And when you're older and a veteran and do something that, you know, that you shouldn't have,

shouldn't do and it hurts somebody. That sucks. Yeah, absolutely. This next question is for T.J. And we actually got a $5 donation to the YouTube chat. So T.J. I appreciate it. Some money. Yep. You're welcome. Lunch is on him. It's from Derek. And he wants to know what's the best advice on how to get into spotting. How to start as a spotter? Oh, boy. Local short tracks, probably. Cars tour, anything local, things like that.

Even, I've seen guys start on eye racing now. There's guys that actually spot on eye racing. And you can, you can, I've been asked spot on eye racing at times. But I think getting, you know, being, going to your local short track, getting, making friends with some of them guys, waiting for your opportunity. And then when you get your opportunity, just being ready for it, because I didn't plan on being a spotter and I got asked to go, and apparently I was good at it. What's a piece of advice you wish you were given that you would give? If I could give advice to somebody, I would say when you're spotting, try to think ahead and describe the scenario as best you can. So the guy, just like you're

driving. You don't want them to look in the mirror, so you want them to have the info, When he was driving with Brad, I don't want them to look. So if I can give them the info where they're not looking, I feel like I'm doing my job. Yeah. If I'm not looking in a mirror, I can focus on what's in front of me. So I'm hoping everything he's telling me is just painting the picture behind me. So I don't even have it. I trust it.

Right. What was your first race where you spotted T.J.? I think the first race that I spotted was at Kansas for Joe Nemechek. The main spotter had an issue and couldn't make the race. I thought it was Dover for Matt Kenseth. No, that was later. That was when I was trying to maybe go to his full-time deal. That's right.

But that lasted about two laps before he wrecked. Oh, no. Yeah, I did Kansas for Joe Nemechek. And kind of, then I got asked to go into all Boris Says races when he started. And then Matt was, Matt Spotter was moving on to somebody else, which was Mike Kowlin off at the time. And they were doing some trial stuff. And I had Matt's Xfinity race at Dover. And he got loose.

off a turn two and racing with Paul Menard, and we crashed on the backstretch, and it lasted like two laps, so that didn't go over very well. I remember it differently. Oh, the beginning. Yeah, well, we still wrecked on it. That was his fault, so that wasn't my fault.

My big takeaway was when the green flag came out, T.J. said green, the word green? No, it was ready. Ready? Oh, you said ready? Yeah. Like eight times. Probably.

Ready, ready, ready, ready, ready, ready. I was ready. Ready, ready, ready. So he started his ready. Yeah, probably too early. Thinking that the green flag was going to come out after like two or three readies, but he started it too early. And so they're like keeping on the round of track and DJ just kept saying it.

Ready? Yeah, ready. Ready? Ready. Ready? I just wanted to make sure that Matt was ready. You know, I wanted to make sure Matt was ready. And then the green flag comes out.

You know, Matt stopped me one time in Daytona. He was smart. Is he ready? Ready? No. I looked at him. I said, hey man, you ready? No, but he's, he, we're joking about that race.

He's like, we're trying it again sometime. And I'm like, yeah, be cool. Maybe I could redeem myself. Yeah. Was he ready? I was nervous for T.J. I wasn't. I mean, apparently I was nervous.

Yeah. But I don't know. Maybe I was. I mean, of course I was. It sounded like you were ready for it. I was definitely ready for two laps. The next question comes from the YouTube chat. Pamela wants to know how was busing with the boys?

Bustin with the boys was a lot of fun So I went and did the podcast For those guys this past week We did three hours We talked about Racing and You know all kinds of fun things We did talk about one

We did talk about one thing That I was like Oh man Because there's a lot of things that we do on Bless Your Heart where I get up and I go Man that might have been over the line You know And I'll ask Amy, and I was asking her even a couple days ago, do you think that was too far?

Like, should we, are we saying too much? And so that's the tough part about doing those kind of lifestyle shows is it's about life. It's about real stuff, right? And you're kind of, you get nervous that you're being too transparent about things. But hey, it's real life. And so we were on Bustin with the Boys. and they were, they asked me if I ever

my pants while I was in the race car. And I was like, no, I've never done that, thankfully, right? But I know people that have done it. And, and I said, you know, I think the reason why that's never happened to me is because I, you know, if you can work the fart, if you can work a fart around your poo,

does that make sense? And like, relieve some pressure. It buys you a little time. Yeah, yeah, I understand. Have you ever drove, home and you're like, I got to go so bad. I'm not going to make it. This is quickly turning into one of that moments.

You buy yourself a little time if you can expel some pressure, right? Sure, yeah. And it takes, you know, some people can't do that and they just poop in their pants. And I don't. I get home. You know those moments you were just talking about? We are definitely into one of the moments. So, yeah, so we had this conversation on their show.

And I got up and I was like, and I got up. And we had that conversation at like the 30 minute mark of a three-hour podcast. I got up from the podcast and I was like, you know, we talked about more than I thought we would. You know? I'm actually surprised you never did. We talked about eating more than I expected today. And so, I mean, you know, you get up and you're like, it's in the can. There's nothing you can do about it.

And so it is what it is. I'm surprised you never have. My pants. Yeah, during the race. Yeah. Or at all. Ship my pants. Should I say that instead?

I don't know. The ship's already sailed on YouTube. The ship's already sailed. The ship's already sailed, literally. I'm surprised. I never have. Like, I have had times where I'm driving home from work or from Charlotte or somewhere, and I'm like, dang, man, I got to get home. Yeah.

Even flying home a couple times, you're like, I got to go. Yeah, like, I got to go. Clock's ticking. And luckily, that's never happened in the race car. Golly. I mean, because when you got to pee, you know, listen, we don't, if you have to pee in the car, there is this moment where you're like, can I hold it? Like, could I, could I get to the end of the race? And it's a distraction, terrible distraction, right?

If you're trying to focus on something and do a task, doing it while you're trying, you literally are trying to hold back a, when you got to pee, you got to go. Oh, yes. Yeah. I think at the end, he was pretty comfortable with that part. It's a big distraction. Could you pee under a green flag? Yeah, sometimes. That went from a naughty.

What track? The longer, the straightaway is better. Oh, man. He used to tell Adam Jordan on the radio. I'm sorry, Adam. Yeah. It was pretty common. It was not common.

It happened once or once a year, maybe. Once or twice a year? I remember it differently. Let's ask Adam. I don't think it happened more often than that. But we would get into these hot races and if it's 90 degrees outside or if you're forecasted for 90 degrees. degree day. You see that on Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, and you're like getting nervous and you're like,

I'm old. It's hot. It's going to be 140 degrees inside the car. It's miserable. It is really uncomfortable. And so that morning, you're drinking a lot of water because I have dehydrated inside the car before. And you get delirious. You get dizzy. Yeah, you don't want that either. You can. It's not safe. It's very scary. I had that happened to me at Myrtle Beach one time. And so, you know, you just, all of a sudden, you dry out and you're, it's the weirdest thing. But, So you're drinking a lot of water before the race. And shoot, man, you'll, you'll climb, you're down on pit road. They're saying the anthem and you're, you got to get in.

And you're like, I got to pee. And there's no, there's no, no, Port of Johns or nothing. And you get in and you're like, now I got three and a half hours of either trying to hold this thing or I'm going to pee in this seat. And so, you know, it's not a big deal. You're racing. It doesn't, you know, it's not like it's. It's going to stink a whole lot or anything like that. It's water.

You know, you pee pretty clear. And so, you know, if you can't hold it, you can't hold it. You go, you apologize to your interior guy. He's the one's got to pull the insert out on Monday morning. And he's the one that's got to clean all that mess up. But would you try to eat the same thing on like before race to try to get your body? I always tried to not eat anything that might make me sick. So no chicken.

Oh, really? No Mexican. Like grilled chicken. Undercooked. Right. It is a recipe for freaking disaster. No, Travis, that's not. You don't want to probably ever do that.

I think chicken would be like a good race day. It's too risky. Yeah. He's over there like Mexican food. No, I said like no Mexican food. Yeah, like that's a given. Nobody's going to be eating Mexican before race. That's a given.

I'm just saying. Yeah. No chili. What else, Travis? No spicy hot wings. Yeah. No ghost pepper sauce. What's all?

Bobby. Yeah. So typically, I would eat a very basic, you know, ham sandwich. Super. Some, you had to have a little bread. That's energy. That's going to get down in there and keep your belly kind of feeling somewhat full. To your point, you were right.

You were right. Adam said it was only twice. Did he? He did. Yeah, said he had to make sure orange Gatorade was on hand. Oh, that's the other thing. Oh, yeah. I don't want to ruin all of the stuff from the bus with the boys.

But I did tell them that, you know, sometimes you do pee in the car. And I would be embarrassed because I always had white suits. And so I would pull down pit road and be like, well, shoot, now I got to get out. And it's going to, I don't know what it looks like. But I would assume my mind goes, well, you're going to look at me and you're going to go, oh, he damped his pants. It's obvious, right? His white suit is now yellow right in that region. And so I would say.

the check a flag would come out and I'd go hey can somebody get some orange gatorade to the car code and they would bring a just yeah it was they would bring orange gatorade and I would kind of splash that around and blend in the colors so the whole suit had a little stain or a little hint or a tent and I'm like all right I'm coming out and I probably was overthinking it but I didn't want to be embarrassed yeah imagine if you yourself you'd be asking for like hithella dude if you pooped yourself, I'm driving the race car right to the damn butts. And I'm like right up to the door.

Backing up. Yeah. Back it in the hallway. Yes. I ain't going to see that. Ain't nobody going to see that. No Gatorade's covering that. You never lived that down.

That would just be the worst situation. Well, I'm glad. Oh. Man, I don't think I pooped. But, um, no, no, no. I won the race at Richmond. And it's in the driver eight books. I think I peat.

I won the race at Richmond and I pull in and I think I realized, oh my gosh, I got to pee something serious. And so I pull into victory lane. Like you pull into victory lane as soon as the car pulls in there, like the team, everybody's like, ooh, yeah, it's excitement. Yeah, everybody's cheering. And they're waiting on you to climb out. TV's like, stay in there, stay in there. We're getting ready to come back in commercial. Stay in there, stay in there.

And when they come back commercial, they're going to go, right, come on out. and then out you come and they catch you on camera right as they're coming back from break right it's all set up and i pull in there and they're like i stand there stay i climbed out walked out of the victory lane everybody's like where's you going out of victory lane into i went over to the unicow 76 building was right next door where everybody getting their gas walked in there and took a leak nice okay and i mean i'm in there i peeve for five minutes or whatever and then I come back I come back out walk back into Ricker Lane hop back in the car did the whole show yes no one do they were like what is up I'm like I had to pee got to go I respect that oh I had to go that was a lot of fun some great questions today

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Thank you, Xfinity Mobile. Thank you all for tuning in, and enjoy the show later today when we get it out to you. All right, so joining us today on the Dale Jr. Download, Ron Caps. I want to first ask Ron, thanks for joining us today. Also, how are you feeling after your spectacular crash? This is what I've got to do to get on your show, man? Geez. I'm sore.

We drove the coach back, you know, race in Phoenix. I live near San Diego, so family and I drove back. We're home for a couple days. drive up about an hour and a half north of Pomona this coming weekend. So pretty sore. I was actually going to reach out to you at some point and just kind of talk to you. Forrest came over and had a pretty good talk with me about his injuries and just, but so far, so good, man, nothing broken and just kind of seeing what happens next.

Yeah. Man, I know that you've been, you know, in some, you know, scary situations in the past, but the interview that you gave after the accident was just so honest. And a lot of race car drivers, you know, I think it's probably your age where you're like, hey, it doesn't matter. I am who I am at this point. But a lot of race car drivers are hesitant to be that transparent. And you're like, you're like, man, I mean, you basically said everything except for seeing Elvis

in those moments. But that's what we always used to say is like, I think I saw. Elvis at one point. But, you know, apparently just I could tell, it got your attention. That was, you know, that was quite a, quite an experience. Yeah, you know, they had the visor cam that they've had on my car with Napa auto parts this year. And I guess it's good and bad. Got to relive it and the fans got to see it until it went away. But just things happen so fast. And I'm not sure I should have done the interview. I don't remember much about talking. I do remember when it happened that once the body left and the fire was on my face and then I knew I didn't have control.

I mean, I was the next car in line when forest wrecked last year. So I saw all of that. And then we had to back up and get out of the cars for a couple hours. I just knew, man, it's going. I'm at a high rate of speed. You know, we go 290-ish at half track. And I knew I was past that. And I just was like, I'm not sure I'm going to be awake after this hit.

You know, it's going to be a hard one. And then it hit. And I was like, oh, I'm still awake. And I got on the, you know, we have a handbrake. So I was on the handbrake. And the safety safari was on me before the car was stopped. And so, yeah, a lot going on.

Just funny how it kind of, you know how it is. It just kind of comes out slowly out of your brain that few seconds. Yeah. Yeah, I was watching it. And, you know, I don't know that there's a great way to hit a wall. But the car seemed to really, really absorb a lot of the impact. I know, you know, they're really not designed to take a beating like that, but I feel like that you've got a lot of new safety advances that have happened over the past several years,

particularly around your headrests and so forth. But the way the car sort of absorbed a bunch of the impact and then how much y'all have changed with your seats and so forth that had to really have given you the best outcome possible. Yeah, you know, I've jumped around with the prelude and jumped in other cars a lot, dirt cars. And sometimes you go, what am I doing in here? You know? But like you said, and we lost Eric Medlin, who was driving for force. And then that's really when things took off.

And I think watching what you guys were doing in your sport around your head and injuries that drivers like yourself went through, if you don't learn from it, that's a pity. But I think over the years, we've lost these drivers or bad accidents. and Eric's wreck saved Force's life in that bad wreck he had in Dallas. And then that wreck certainly saved his life again when he had his wreck. And I guarantee whatever was going to happen to me was spared because of what happened to Force last year. So our guys, my crew chief, Guido, that's his nickname. He's very much on the safety. He's one of those crew chiefs that not just looks after the performance of the car,

but he's always after the safety in the cockpit. And yeah, we just in this not, just the last year and a half, need more more work on the padding and around here and the softer padding leading into the harder padding and and just focusing on on on brains and what could happen and like you said we don't have safer walls and I don't think I know fans are up in the air about that and I read the you know social media and I don't think they understand that it's probably better that we careen off the wall rather than catching something at that speed yeah yeah that's a good point um you did allude after uh in the interview to something that I was curious,

talked about the car and how big of a setback this is to the team. So can you, yeah, can you go into detail there and let us not? Because I think it adds a real human element to this, right? I mean, outside of your safety and you surviving the accident, there's another entire department or compartment to this, and that's the effect that it has on your team. and it's a very successful team, a very iconic team. Your name is synonymous with drag racing,

and you kind of opened up in that moment to us how concerning this is and how big of a setback and how expensive this moment is. I think that might be hard for people to realize too, because I do that as well. We race cars, we race some at a high danger speed, we get in a big bad crash. the first thing we do is get out and go, how good's our other car?

Or, you know, when can we get back onto the racetrack? And so a lot of people, you know, that don't experience these things within their lives would be thrilled to be safe and alive and uninjured. And once you get beyond that, once your mind got beyond that, you went right to the financial repercussions.

So kind of, I guess, walk us through really how, difficult that path forward is. You know, I got the chance to be an owner, you know, three years ago. And thankfully, Napa auto parts jumped on board. And yeah, we have a great budget. We got great partners. But again, before I hit the wall, one of the first things was flashing in my head was like, oh, this car is, you know, it's not very old. They're probably a quarter of a million dollars the way they sit at the starting line. So, yeah, it's funny how all these years are driving for Don Prome and then Don Schumacher, you know, like you said, you have a wreck and you hop out and you're a paid

driver and onto the next car. But now I'm a business owner, a small business owner. And yeah, it's funny how that just, you're like, oh my gosh, this is going to affect the budget. But, you know, I got calls right away from the higher ups there at Napa. I mean, what can we do to help if there's anything else? You know, you got, you got contracts and you got what you got. And I'm learning. The thing as Don Pranome has checked on me, I mean, daily, even before this weekend. He calls or texts, and he's, he understands the business side. And it's fun to watch him as a retiree, but knows the, you know, what goes on behind the scenes, not just as a driver, but a legendary owner. And so, you know, I always got stuff to bounce off of him. But he called right away. And it was the first

thing he said was, boy, that's going to hurt the budget. So, yeah, I just, good, luckily, we've got another car ready to go. We actually got two cars. So I'm pretty proud of our team to have that, you know, thinking that far ahead to be ready to go. And I guess that's why we won two championships back to back as an owner. It helps. Yeah. Well, we're thankful you're in one piece and ready to get it back after it. We're thankful to have some time to chat with you today. You're, you know, like I said, you're an icon in drag racing and motorsports. Um, Not a bad sim racer. And we miss having you out there on the irasing rig.

But we're thankful to be able to talk to you today and wish you the best going forward, buddy. Yeah, man. Thanks for having. All right, it's time for this month's selection of our ultimate racing collector presented by Lionel Racing, the official diecast of NASCAR. Lionel Racing is your go-to source for all of your racing diecast needs. Check out their latest pre-orders at lionelracing.com.

And let's take a look at this here Collection from Donna Lee Fuller. Got a lot of Dale Earnhardt stuff here in the corner. And it's a lot of different stuff. It is. Wheaties box. Yeah. A lot of different types of collectibles.

So a lot of old hats. Yeah. So not just pure die cast, but a little bit of everything here. Looks like she's got some hand portraits. Yep. She's loving those custom drapes. Was that a jar full of peanuts?

I look like there was a jarful of popcorn. Yeah. All right. Let's circle back. Yep, there's a big jug of popcorn or peanuts. I wonder if that popcorn's still good. It's apparent that, you know, she's absolutely a massive fan. Whoa.

Look, even the slot machine. Look at the die cast in there. That slot machine is pretty cool. Yeah, it is. Those probably are hard to come by, like a genuine slot machine. I've got two of them. Neither one work. I appreciate the, up, she's got that Lionel,

case that we all love holds 40 die casts I've got four of those I like the fact that it's the variety that's real commitment

somebody that's a you know what's in there is that an RC car looks like an RC car there's a you know there's a lot of fans like myself that are

purely die cast collectors and get a little bit of everything but we have a particular driver that we like. Then you'll have fans that are like our friend Donna here that are purely dedicated to one individual driver and they get everything that comes off the shelf. Tons of photos and images and looks like there's a bunch of tickets right there to all the races she went.

That's a really neat way to showcase all the events and tickets that you went to. I miss it. You don't get hard tickets anymore. Yeah. So very cool. Donna Lee Fuller is the winner this month, deservedly so. Now look, guys, we can't pick just Earnhardt fans every month. All right.

Let's not be biased here. We're not. Well, you're going to have some folks go, hey, wait a minute. I ain't got a shot in hell because, you know, Donna wins with her big Earnhardt collection. That's not always going to be. Donna comes trampsing in here with her Earnhardt stuff and just wipes us out. That's pretty good, though. Donna's got a lot of stuff.

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All right, it's time for Dirty Mo Doe. Stepping in to the booth is Tampa Tim's. Dirty Mo Doe is brought to you by Fan Duels. I have an account. Amy's got an account. I'm trying to get Amy to throw down a bet. We got the NCAA men's March Madness tournament going on.

We're now getting into the tougher rounds. We're trying to make a little easy money. It's a little tough to do. Sweet 16. It's tough. It's going to be tough. Me and you, and I'm not sure who else,

have one particular bet up on the board. Yes, we do. I'm excited. about it. It's a, it's a risky one. But let's let's look at it. I'll get it up here in a second. I saw a tweet, Dale, that your betting style that you adopted late in the basketball season, a lot of people have in Vegas kind of got hit hard this past weekend because of the money line parlays that you started. Oh, I started. Well, at least in this group, I gave you crap for at the beginning so I'm now giving you your flowers.

This is a this is around a plus 3,900-ish parlay. We got Florida taking over Maryland on Moneyline, Duke money line over Arizona, Houston, money line over Purdue. And this is where it gets a little tricky, guys. I'm going to take Ole Miss over Michigan State. That's a tough one. Tough one. That's going to be sweating.

Nervous about that. Kentucky over Tennessee, I think's doable. I think it's doable. Kentucky already has beaten Tennessee twice as you. year can they do it three times that's hard to do and then we watch this arkansas team i think arkansas can beat texas yeah i agree i agree we saw them play man they got some they got some they got some they got some ballers do it the old miss is the tough one um but we'll see how that pans out and um i got one unit on that but that's really all i got in the hopper right now because so when

there were games every day the style that um you mentioned we would take the heavy favorites and parlay seven to 15 of those. Those games are gone, all right? And where in the calendar year is another opportunity to get back into some of that type of action? You just kind of got to wait it out. College football? I've been doing that a little bit with NBA, like two and three games. Yeah.

I was thinking I teed up a bet last night. night where it would have been pretty much similar where you'll take a particular player that's averaging like 20, 23 points and bet him to make 10 and then stack that through about five or six games. But I'm telling you, dude, I got burned on the NBA last year and it's hard for me. Man, it's hard for me. You just don't know if they're going to be trying that night. Yes, it's so hard.

Load management. It is tough. So like Anthony Davis for the Mavs last night was playing. I don't know what he scored. What did Anthony get? He was going to be in that parlay for 10 points. And maybe I should have done it. But dang it.

It was going to take about 10 to 15 different legs. And I just don't trust it. No. He had 12 points. So he would have barely cleared that. Oh, boy. So, but that might be what I end up having to get into just to have a little fun as we weighed out, you know, the next real opportunity to,

to be stacking these heavy favorites. And it's going to be probably a college sports. You know, we just kind of got to look at the calendar year and see what's in front of us. Because you can't really do this in the MLB. You can't really do it in any professional type of sport. But still some great options out there. And one of them is in the NASCAR world.

I saw you at Tampa Timbs. You won. What bet did you win? I had AJ Albondinger top 10. And they gave me it like plus $195. I couldn't believe it. They also had him head to head over Ty Gibbs at 1-9-2. You, that's the one I saw.

And I was like, and he was the underdog. And I'm like, how was he the underdog? That's ridiculous. Yeah, and that was an easy lock. And they also, I got Bubba Wallace at even money plus 100 for top 10. And he was the fastest car all weekend. Yeah. Like practice and qualified.

Oh, Blaney. Until Blaney, yeah. Yeah. Well, those are some, those are my kind of bits. Yep. Those are my kind of bets right there. Tampa Timbs leading into Martinsville. This is a, you know, this is a track where, you know, the cup guys play nice.

You know, if you're trying to put any money on the trucks or Xfinity, it's all going to hell in the last 10 laps. Yeah. It's a crap shoot. But the cup boys play nice. There's a little more predictability. Who's some of your heavy favorites? Well, the winner, the win odds right now. They are, the books are absolutely hedging themselves against the Blanies, the Larson's, the Denny's.

There's six guys, seven guys within plus 1,000. So that's really not where I want to go. But there is some really good short track racers that are plus 3,000 right now. That's our guy we talked about them like three weeks in a row now, Josh Berry. Yeah. And Ryan Preece is the guy I really like. And I'll probably place a little something on that. That's two top tens in a row for Preece.

Yeah. And I think, I think, you know, Brad's been really good there, T.J. Like, yeah, hasn't been the start you guys have wanted. but I think, you know, he's like, he's got some good odds too. I think RFK in general. One thing you've got to be careful this race is it's shorter than the fall race. Is it really? So it's 400, I think, this race.

Oh, okay. And the fall is 500. So there isn't as many long runs. So it matters a little bit. Yeah. Who's some drivers that, DJ, you'd say, my paycheck. I mean, to me, seeing the role, like Tim said, that Blaney's on. I mean, Barry, taking that knowledge because they're,

visibly watching Martinsville from the spotter stand out. Nobody runs the curb right now like Ryan Blaney. But if you take a guy with a short track background like Josh Barry, who has a lot of laps already and can, you know, you put him in that group and he's been fast at places. He's obviously taken the, they've taken some notes from what they have over there. And I think, I think Josh is a really good one. Honestly, I feel like this is a rebound for Ty Gibbs. I think this is a place where Ty can just get back to he was always good at short tracks there in the Xfinney series. And I think this is a good place for Ty to rebound. He's plus 5,000 to win.

That'd be a really good long shot bet. I mean, I would not be afraid of that with Ty. They've had fast cars there and it's a short track. So this could be a good rebound for Ty, in my opinion. Yeah. I think the way you go about this, if you're going to bet preweek before practice and qualifying, you look at the top tens. They're not out right now, but top tens and matchups to kind of find some value.

Because a lot of the favorites are really, really juiced. I wouldn't place that. But like you said, TJ, plays at Ty Gibbs. Even whatever Brad's matchup is, it's probably pretty favorable to look at right now. Yeah. Busher. Busher seems to hide a little bit and then show up when it counts.

Yeah. Priest right now has got momentum. Going to a short track where he's good at. Yeah. Yeah, I do like the priest play there. I wonder, too, if this is a weekend where Kyle Busch kind of starts to perform or has a great weekend. I think RCR made some changes over the off season.

They had a little speed at the end of last year at Richmond and some of the short tracks. For sure. And so I would not come. I would not head, I would not say, you know, what I could see them going into Martinsville and running completely, you know, contradictory to how they've been running so far this year with the tracks that we've been to on the schedule. What do you think about... And he's at 2300. A long shot to me, and I know this is going to be a difficult one,

but it might be worth looking at, is SVG. Martinsville is usually hard on a rookie to go there the first time. But what is he? Like, kind of ran into top three for a while, Bowman Gray. Yeah. Plus 15,000. Yeah. I don't know.

Trackhouse's cars, I mean, Swar has finished second in Vegas, but they're like really hit or miss to me. For sure. It's tough to judge them. Like, Chastain has a good average finish here. But I don't know if I trust that they'll be good. They show up with speed and it's a waste of bed. Did y'all mention Almondigger?

Not here, no. Not here. So, Martinsville's like his best track. Yeah. I mean, when you look at statistics. I thought Homestead was his best track. Well, you'll look at his, it's one of his best tracks. Martinsville's a place where he always ran good, whether it was in the Red Bull car or whatever.

He always seemed to have a little, you know. Just have to do it well. Yeah. I think, honestly, Martinsville, to me, if there is a, if there's an open where a road course guy can apply, similar sort of technique. It is Martinsville. That's why I was saying SVG could adapt well here. I agree.

But I think you could go again with the top ten for Almondinger and feel pretty confident about that. One other guy that I think might have along would be Briscoe. He's getting into a car that's usually pretty good at Martinsville. Can he pick up kind of where Martin used to leave off there? It's not bad. Chase Briscoe is the guy this year that the books are just not going to get beat on. He's plus 1,000 to win.

I like him, too. He's always a guy I'm looking at because of that, but they're just not going to get beat with him in a Joe Gibbs car. It sucks. Is Denny an avoid bet? He hasn't won there in 10 years, but he's got the third best odds. No, I like Denny just because,

I mean, I probably wouldn't bet him at the odds he's at now, maybe after he doesn't qualify well. But, you know, I think he's really been pretty consistent and pretty good this year. If you said, if we walked out of here, came in here Tuesday and said, Denny won, I would not be surprised. Yeah, exactly. I wouldn't be surprised. but, I mean, think about that.

It seems like a long drought for someone, for like him not win there. Yeah, it does. But, I mean, it's not easy to win these things. He's always been in the conversation, too. Kyle Busch's at 3,500. Yeah. I wouldn't,

Kyle Bush, at the last two weeks, their speed was kind of off, but I wouldn't take that into consideration here because it's such a short track compared a mile and a half. I wouldn't do that. Yeah. AJ is at 25,000 to win.

I mean, I imagine then his top 10 is pretty good. I can't wait for that to come out. Yeah. I'd take him for a top 10. Also, if you take these real, real long shots, sometimes they'll give you a cash out offer if they qualify pretty well. I think SG top 10 would be good.

He's going to be in a position, maybe get a lucky dog layer of free pass late, and he's going to probably maybe come get the opportunity to come get tires but no one else does. I'm not doing that. I would take Josh. I wouldn't bet anybody to win. No, winning's hard there.

Yeah. I would take Josh Barry and. Almondinger for top tens. And another guy that could be Hosevar. Yeah. Yeah, that's a good one. He's a short tracker. He comes from late model racing.

They've got a hitching their step. This is the week that Kyle Busch gets payback on and watch. Well, a few people might be in line. Yeah, there's a line for that. Honestly, if the car doesn't break or something goes wrong, Hosevar is always in the top 10. Yeah, yeah. It really, like last week he had that strategy that he was running six,

led some laps, and then the car broke. I'm waiting for the breakout moment for Justin Haley as well. Yeah. Like, you know, I think we just had it. Top 10 last week? Yeah. But I mean. That's really good.

That is really good. It's about 10 spots advanced over what they've been doing this year. Yeah. But when I say breakout, I mean, I, I want, majority of the race, he wasn't in the top 10. You know, I want to see him in the top 10 majority of the race. It just seems like in the season so far, they've not been the best spire car. Oh, for sure.

You know, and so it's kind of hard to feel like he's going to go even outrun his teammates until we see it. Right? I didn't see this. Yeah. They just haven't had that one peek. That's the way I bet. I mean, I can't go. I can't take a risk.

I'm going to wait for about two weeks to find something to believe in. Yep. For sure. But, man, that's a lot of great information. I think, you know, depending on whether you're, you know, high stakes, high risk gambler like Tampa Tim's over here with his own fucking. nickname or you're a real conservative like me we've give you a little bit of everything to bet on here something for everybody yeah something for everybody dirty mo do segment is brought to you by fan duel the premier gaming destination in the united states white flag the tear down was live on

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Also was the world carding champion. He beat Ayrton Center. Lake Speed, dude? Yep. Wow. Went over to Europe and was the world carding champion. that's awesome yeah oh man didn't i know that yeah oh lake um so it'd be fun to talk to him and uh see what he's he's been up to there's some stuff out there on social media he's been

doing here over the past couple years and he's got his old race shop and he's selling some cars and sort of sort of trimming down slimming down getting rid of all his cool things uh herman schrader and speed street drops wednesday scott mclaughlin will be the guest on Speed Street. And I'm sure he might have a lot to say because he was in his argument. If you hadn't seen this clip,

it's quite something. Yeah, they're definitely having a disagreement. Yeah. Devlin Scottie's pretty mad. Yeah. And I think rightfully so. What is that song? Scotty something.

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