The Dale Jr. Download - When Is It Ok For Crew Members To Enter The Fight?

Episode Date: March 28, 2024

On DJD Reloaded, we're debating the role of pit crew members during an altercation between drivers. Leave it to the drivers only? Get in there and scrap? Diffuse the situation? Carla Gebhart is joined by Andrew Kurland and Jim Pohlman, crew chief of the No. 7 JR Motorsports Chevy of Justin Allgaier. Also, NASCAR Xfinity Series driver Parker Kligerman calls in to talk about his recent run-in with Sage Karam at COTA, and bury the hatchet with Pohlman over past incidents. Plus, we go all in on March Madness with a bracket for our Xfinity drivers on who emerges the winner from a pit-road smackdown.Want to hear yourself on the show? Hit up our Dale Call line: 704-584-9703. Check out Dirty Mo Media on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@DirtyMoMedia  Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

In NASCAR, the only thing that might be better than confrontation on the track is confrontation off of it. And we know how this goes, right? We know what drivers like to do. They get out of their cars. They get face to face and they exchange words. Sometimes they're exchanging more than that. So we know that storyline. But what about the guys around them?

Specifically, those crew members, what is their role in these heated moments? What are they supposed to do? Are they supposed to be the peacemaker? Are they supposed to be the wingman and get in there with those guys? Are they supposed to stay the heck out of the way? what we're talking about today, and we are going to do so with Xfinity Series driver, Parker Klingerman. He's going to be calling in later on the show. You'll see exactly why he is. And how about a crew chief from J.R.M, the crew chief for Justin Allgaier. Jim Pullman is joining

the show today. So let's go ahead and get to her right now on DJD Reloaded. The following is a production of Dirtymo Media. Welcome into another episode of DJD Reloaded. Everybody saw Parker, Clayerman, Sage, Graham. The ECR guy. I can't see around this big jug hit in front of me. Can we have a conversation? Is that just a crew member's duty to protect their driver?

Hey, and I'm stepping up getting to him. All right, welcome inside the Bojangles studio. We have Andrew Curlin rejoining us for this episode. And we already told you Jim Pullman is in the studio right now. Are you ready for this conversation to be had? Did they tell you exactly what you had to talk about today? Oh, yeah. Yeah, I'm ready.

I love it. Hey, let's go. Gloves off. All right, we'll tell you what he means by gloves off, but a lot of instances at Cota over the weekend to kind of maybe set the scene a little bit for this, something that Dell Jr. also said on the Dell Jr. podcast earlier this week, but a lot of great storylines from this race and drivers getting into it. But you got to wonder about the crew members. That's what we're really trying to get the answer for today. I mean, we saw tempers flaring over the weekends in the Xfinity race in the Cup Series race.

There was an instance where a crew member got in the way. There was an instance where the drivers were able to talk it out. What is the right way to go about it? I think that's the question we're trying to answer today. Yeah, it's hard. As a crew member, you know, you got a lot of clout in the game. You've worked really hard on that race car. And when things happen, you know, you want to go down there and you want to tat that eye once

in a while, you know, and you get mad about it. Yeah, you said gloves off, a hockey term. They're a fighter. So you're a fighter. You're ready to get in there with them. Yeah, I think I would like to see, you know, crew members that can be able to get in there, get involved, and more or less hockey terms, right? Like punch for punch all the way to the ground. You know, like I feel like the drivers should be able to go at it. And I feel like the crew members should have just as much freedom or some freedom to be able to do the same thing. You know, that's, it's a hard line to walk when NASCAR wants to take away your livelihood if you go too far. But I think, I think to the ground and hockey rules is a pretty good little stopping point.

Is there a time limit on it? No, I think, I think when it gets too bloody or when you get to the ground is when you got to stop. You said, you said hockey rules, gloves off, right? That's your stance on it. Say you find yourself on pit road. Either someone's upset at Justin or Justin's upset at somebody. What is your specific role as that moment may be building up? Well, obviously, the first thing is protect your driver, right? And stand your ground. And it depends. If you're in your own personal space, if it's post race where your car is parked, if you're in your pit box, during the race, it's a different set of rules, right? You have your own, if they come into your space, you have your own set of rules. But yeah, I like the hockey. I,

idea where you get out of the car, get your helmet off, and let's have at it, and it's all the way to the ground. Like this one or two punch, like the Ross Chastain one punch and Noah didn't get get a punch back. Right. I don't think that's fair. Like, let's go all the way to the ground. You know, they got full, full suits on. So they're not going to get the jersey over the head. So it's going to be some nice, clean shots, I think. Your driver, Justin Allgaier, he seems like one of the more even-tempered drivers in the garage, right? So like you mentioned, there are moments where certain things will start building over the course of a few weeks. How do you guys handle that when situations come up? Yeah, I mean, it's tough. You know, in race, in the car, you're trying to mitigate and try and get

to a finish, right, as a crew chief. So you need the points. You got to finish the race. Out of the car, I think it's a different story. You know, if a guy comes over and we got to scratch, well, I'm good. Let's scrap. Like, let's go. My question, and you don't have to name names. I mean, you can if you want to. But, like, on your team right now, if something were to break out,

do you have a guy that you're like, that's the first one that's getting to the scene? Well, we got Hollywood. Not only if y'all know Hollywood, but he's first to the scene on any camera shot. With a name like that, you've got to be, right? Right. Right. So, yeah, Hollywood's probably the guy very passionate, very, very. tuned in with everything that's going on, been around the sport for a lot of years.

Is there, do we have a written rule? No, but I know he's going to be there first and he's going to take care of whatever situation is going on. You know what, my favorite, you know, we were talking about our favorite fights over the years, you know, Hanlon versus Lugano at Martinsville, Kozlowski, Gordon, Texas, the All-Star race back in 1989. My favorite is Chicago 2004, Casey Kane versus Tony Stewart. That's my favorite one, Jim.

I don't know what you're talking about. No. Are you in that? You're in that? Yeah. Yeah, I might have had a hand in that one. All right, we need the details right now. Yeah.

Well, so Casey was leading. Tony was running third or fourth behind us on it. It would restart. And it was the rules where you had. And you're on Casey's team. Yeah, I'm on the nine. You had the rules where the lap down cars lined up in front of you. That was before we did the whole wave around and all that.

So they get down into turn 1 and Tony gets a run on him, gets to the outside, and ends up wrecking them. Wrecking them pretty good. So we start running down to the garage. And Baldwin got ahead of us. So Bobby Baldwin was our crew chief. So he got ahead of us. And on our way down, I didn't realize that the 20 pit box was on the way. So by the time we get there, Baldwin is on top of the pit box.

Now he's good friends with Zipodelli, who's the crew. chief at the time for Stewart and they're having a heated conversation. And next thing I know, Shapiro grabs Baldwin by horse collars him off the pit box and down on the ground he goes, well, my whole team was behind me. And as soon as that happened, we all went in the pit box because we were into fire lane watching it all happen. So when they horse collared them off, obviously our team went in the pit box and then it was just full on brawl from there. What was it just like in those moments to be in the mix. I can't even picture this, right? To be in the mix of those fights. I mean, it's got adrenaline has to be super high. Yeah. Yeah, for sure. I mean, it's what we live for

as crew members, right? Like, you don't live for the fight, but your, your hard work, your culmination of the week, everything you've put into that race car, all the preparation you've done to see it come to an end. Yeah, your testosterone is really high and you're you're pissed off about it when it happens, right? So when you get in that moments to control yourself, it's pretty hard. I'll be honestly, like there's moments where you're like, okay, I need to take a deep breath. I'm not going to go down there and give them a black eye, even though I want to. You know, it's hard.

So you learn over the years, the more experienced guys, you know, you're teaching the younger guys and you're going through life trying to be a good leader and show people how to how to race properly. but at the same time, you still got to stay in your ground and defend yourself. I feel it's like raising kids sometimes, right? You're going to stand up for yourself, but there's also limits to that as well. Jim, we know that you're a fighter in all of these scenarios, most likely. But we also got some other perspective out there. We asked the fans, what would you do in a fight?

Would you be a peacemaker, a wingman, or would you just kind of stay out of the way? So let's go ahead and get to this week's Dale calls, see what you had to say about this. As a pick crew member, if my driver gets in a front, My only responsibility is to make sure nobody else gets involved. Good, bad, or indifferent, my driver did what he did. And if you can't take the heat, stay out of the driver's seat. Interesting. So just stay out of the way there.

Do you know some other people that would do that? Just let the drivers go at it? I think that we're probably a smaller percentage in today's time. I think that caller is about on point with where the current status of the garage is. As you've seen the ECR guy, he stood in the middle and more or less blocked. It looked like he was just a big lineman blocking in the middle there. I think a lot of people are, I think a lot of crew members are scared of their job, right? You're scared of what NASCAR might do to you. You're scared of what could come from it.

So you're in this position where you want to protect your driver, but you, man, you don't want to be the guy that's throwing the first punch either. Yeah, absolutely. I feel like a lot of fans might think this as well. We actually had a poll to put out there as well. We're going to get to that later, but let's go ahead and get to the second caller. From my past experience, the best thing to do is walk away, let the drivers handle it, because if you get caught up in it, the flines are high and the vacations are long. Sounds like this guy's got some experience.

Sounds like he's got some experience in this shop. sound like. Oh, yeah, that sounds like somebody that's been there and had a fine or two. Yeah, I think so too. Not fun, though. That's not fun, right? Yeah. I mean, fines are not fun, but.

Vacation probably is a little bit more fun. Although, how you earned it, maybe not. Yeah, the story to tell. All right, let's go ahead and get to the third caller. Yeah, if I'm a pet crew member, my driver gets into a fight, if it ain't started yet, I'm going to be. standing right there with my driver because we're a team and if I ain't there with him and a fight breaks out with them then I'm jumping in because I'm protecting my driver because that's my job

we're here to kick ass and take names but everybody don't notice and I think a lot of times we see this right we see crew members actively they know when their driver's upset you Kyle Bush I mean I know they didn't fight on pit road but Kyle Bush had a look in his eye as he was going to Christopher Bell. He had a message to deliver, and I'm sure all of his crew members knew exactly where he was going and what he was about to do. Yeah, I mean, I seen a lot of C-bells guys around, and I was impressed that they didn't step in or get a little closer. That's a hard thing. Like, you don't know what's coming, right? So probably two years ago, I was on the eight car with Reddick, and he got wrecked at the dirt race with...

Briscoe on the last lap oh yeah right yeah yeah yeah so when I got there I was the first one there and here come Briscoe walking down pit road and I'm like ooh is this going to be like a fight or like yeah and obviously I'm mad because we got wrecked and lost a race on the last lap right so I start to step in between you know like I start to step the interviews going on and I step closer to Tyler and the NASCAR guy comes in between and I'm like okay I don't know what you're what's getting ready to happen as soon as this camera goes off. But I'm going to make sure I'm right there when it does, right? And the big NASCAR guy, the hand-to-hand combat guy,

he turned and looked at me and he was like, whatever you do, don't throw the first punch. Which their job is they're going to mitigate it, right? They're going to let it start, but they're going to, they're the hand-to-hand guys, and they're going to make sure it stops. I didn't know that at the time. Obviously, you've seen the result. Briscoe and Reddick have a fairly friendly conversation. they might not actually 100% agreed,

but they had a cordial conversation and it dissipated. That was all fine and dandy. But yeah, absolutely. That's a good one that goes right. And then there's bad ones that go wrong. But yeah, that's one experience that, yeah, that's interesting sometimes. You're ready to go. Your radar.

You got to have a radar to anticipate what's going to happen and just kind of stay on standby. Yeah. Andrew, I don't know what you would do in that situation. I would probably get knocked to the ground pretty quick, okay? I wouldn't stand a chance. I mean, you're going to put yourself in the fight, though? Oh, well, I mean, listen, I'm not that big of a person.

I mean, sure, I'll try and break people up. You're talking about me specifically? Yeah. Yeah, I don't know. Sure, I would probably, you know, I would probably be the peacemaker, I think. If I'm making a role for myself, you know, trying to break the fight up. But I don't know, I haven't been in that competition, you know, I could say that now. but in the moment you could be a lot more upset than what you actually, you know, would say you would do on paper.

I always think about to these crew members. They've played football, right? They might have played collegiate sports before. They're used to that adrenaline and wanting to fight after a scenario kind of breaks out. We did tell you, though, that Xfinity Series driver Parker Klingerman is going to join the show. This is a little bit of a timely conversation. If you caught the end of the Xfinity Series race, we're going to be. talking about that with him coming up here in just a minute.

Well, as promise, Xfinity Series driver, Parker Cliggerman is joining us right now on location. He's zooming in to talk a little bit more about what crew members' roles are when drivers are face-to-face. Maybe they're going to get in a fight. Maybe they're just going to exchange some words. But Parker, you've got a pretty interesting take on this. We're going to get to that here in just a little bit. But first of all, thanks for joining us today. Absolutely.

Thanks for having me on. I look forward to diving into this really deep discussion. So the reason we have you on is because Dale kind of had an interesting take on this earlier this week on the Dale Jr. download. You and Sage Karam had some words, exchanging of words after the Kota race, the Xfinity Series race this weekend. So before we ask your opinion on all of this, let's go ahead and pull up what Dale had to say about it. Everybody saw Parker Klingerman and Sage Karam getting into it on Pit Road after the race. the ECR guy. Staying the way. Come on, man. That was so weird. And he kept moving back and forth.

Like he's like, what are you doing? Let him talk. They were just talking. Yeah, I don't get that. The guy's in his way and he's just like trying to talk to like, Parker, I can't see around this big jug. That's probably why they were yelling. I can't see around this big jug hit in front of me. Can we have a conversation? So an interesting take there. Just what's your overall response? after hearing that. I respect his opinion, of course, and I see his point of view. And I love his reenactment of Sage and I trying to talk to each other because that's essentially

what's happening. And the ECR engine guy that he's referring to, that is Jake. He's my engine tuner. He is a gentle giant. And, you know, I think in those scenarios, on pit road, high motions, right? It's probably in everyone's best interest. Maybe not the viewers, right? But at least for us internally within the race teams, that two drivers,

that heated, right, probably don't meet somewhere in the middle. Like that most likely always is not going to end with the best outcome possible because we're both full of adrenaline. We're, you know, super emotional at that time. And I think, you know, for Jake's role there, what I didn't have a problem with was that he wasn't forcefully pushing stage out, right? He wasn't putting his hands on another driver. He wasn't pulling me, you know, pushing me back.

He just simply was saying, hey, I'm just going to play a little bit of block here, right? like any sort of sport, a little defense, and maybe for everyone's best interest, not find ourselves in a major altercation, which doesn't look good on anyone. And it worked. Like at the end of the day, we were able to say what we wanted to say to each other, which since then, Sage and I have talked, which I know a lot of people we disappointed about because they want to see a fight, they want beef. But we have talked and we definitely, I think, come to a conclusion that we most likely,

I was more in the wrong, of course, but we both had a role in participating what this led to, right? And I think it was, we're both kind of glad we didn't have some sort of altercation on Pit Road. So I know where we're going to go with this conversation, right, in terms of the role of the crew member. But I sit there and I see all that. I've experienced it. And I think like maybe that was the best outcome. You got a little bit of beef. You got a little bit of flare in terms of screaming each other on pit road, saying all sorts of things that we eventually took back on the phone. And then, you know, you get the play and the content out of that, but we don't have bloody noses and, you know,

a bad look on both of us. So I think Jake was in the right, and I think crew members have the right to sort of participate in that, the way he did. I don't want to see a crew member put their hands on another driver. I don't want to see crew members involved in the altercation, right? I don't want to see them. If a fight does break out, break it up.

Don't be the one swinging punches. That's not fair. But they do have a role in the best. success and failure of that car and that team, right? And they're invested as much as a driver. I think they therefore have the right to hope to try and dispel a situation or at least stop it from getting worse or escalate because they are as invested in the outcome of that race team into the future past that race as much as the driver. With what you were feeling in the post race, do you think that altercation would have escalated had he not been there?

I don't know. I know, say, so I've since learned Sage is like an expert wrestling. I I so I okay so then Dale you know first of all it's an honor to be on the Dale junior download just like with you guys on the reload because um you know I've been listening to this show for a long time and so cool to be here and I saw Dale uh I posted a photo of me at boxing yesterday and literally I've been boxing for a little over two years like it's my so it's my go-to workout it's like the more often not the workout I'm doing during the week is boxing I just was there this morning. Like, I love it. I found it a couple years ago and had nothing to do of fighting as much as, to me, related to driving in such a close realm in terms of the upper body

cardio. And I also don't like wearing spandex and going cycling. So, I thought, you know, it was a great workout for me. So I post this photo. I didn't even think about the connotation of what happened the past weekend. And Dale is like, oh, this is this a warning shot. This looks like, you know, the pre-Datona 500 look I work out sort of photo. I was like, oh my gosh, and it led into a whole thing. You know, I since then have been in boxing. I've noticed, obviously, there is altercations to happen. And I did sort of a couple months in, say to my trainer one time,

I was like, you know, the good part about this is I've basically learned how to throw a punch, which I don't think I could have punched a fly, you know, three years ago. I'm just, I'm not a fighter. And the only fight I ever have been in high school was with my best friend, and he punched me in the face immediately, and it was over. So I'm not, I don't know if I would have won any. or come out on top of that. So I'm glad it didn't lead that way.

But, you know, I think you do have to stay in your ground in situations where, you know, if it were push come to shove, you know, I think I'd have to try. But I don't know. I don't know if I'm that good a fighter and I hope to never find out. Parker, I have two questions for you. First, that fight in high school, do you think it would have, you know, not happened if there was an ECR engine guy in the way between you and your best friend? You know, it should have been.

If Jake was there, it absolutely would have never estimated. I think we were fighting over the shotgun of the, you know, the front seat of a car and in like a McDonald's parking lot. I mean, it was just as low as it gets. But yeah, I didn't have any friends that wanted to act like Jake. And I'm very grateful to have a crew member like Jake and a friend and Jake that would stand there and put himself in between me and another driver. So my second question here is- Good motor guy. Good motor guy.

Great motor guy. Good power and forceful off track. You know, it's what you want out. You know, you mentioned he's a wrestler, right? And you're kind of, you've got the boxing background. So say Jake wasn't able to fully intervene and a fight broke out. What was your game plan in your head in the moment standing there on pit road? Man, this is like, this is like the theoretical, right?

Right. Oh, yeah. Like, hey, what it could have should have, right? Um, I really don't know. I wasn't. I know this sounds crazy. Here comes an angry driver and you're not like prepared to defend yourself physically. I wasn't thinking that way, right?

I was thinking I'm replaying the moments in my head of what happened on the track and then trying to be like understand what, you know, how I can conceptualize to him like why I did what I did and why we ended up where we did. Right. Parker, I got to throw it. I got to interject. I think I want to throw a C-bell and Kyle Busch. in there. So there's no big motor guy in between. And I think if you guys are going to throw hands, I'd like to see it. Like, I don't think, I don't think that altercation is going to be calm like, like C Bell back and down from Kyle Bush. No, I mean, I was pretty hot. So, yeah, I mean, I can't

say. And I don't want, you know, as I said before, I don't want to find out. So I'm glad, you know, I have a lot of respect for Sage and how hard he fights to be there. And he's always up front at the end of these road course races on a part-time deal, which is really impressive. I know how hard that is, right? But some of what led to this, by the way, I don't even think we've been there. People don't even know because they've never even seen it. So basically what happened was I hit him really hard in the turn 15 with two to go because he was trying to slot in behind the 17.

I had committed to fire it down the inside. We met in the middle. I shoved him out of the corner, but then in the next corner tried to give him basically the entrance to drive up beside me again and race it out. there he tried to spin me out, which then was the, you know, the notification of my head of like, okay, it's on, right? Instead of just getting bumped, I'm getting almost spun out.

That's a big no-no. And it led to what happened off of turn six. But it's, you know, and then we got together through the S's, and it was just one of those things where I was trying to bump again and then, you know, all happened. So it's, it's what, like, that altercation ramped up in such a way, right, on track that you might be right. If it was, you know, who knows what happens if we're just able to be next to each other.

But I'm glad, once again, I'm very glad we weren't. And I think that, though, I know from the outside, we would love to see this because the content would be unbelievable. It'd be great to talk about fighting and, you know, drivers going at it and what it, you know, the story lines that we, yeah. And we got, you know, Pat McAfee. They have Kyle Bush on. And the first thing they don't want to talk about is the time, like, what, 10 years ago he goes and fights Joe Lagano. I'm like, I get it. I know it's good stuff.

it would be awesome. But I also, you know, I think there's, you know, you got to, like for us, we weren't racing for the win. It was for fifth, right? It's like fighting for fifth, I don't know. That doesn't seem. I'm not sure about that. So I understand fighting, you know, if someone takes a win from you or something really big like that. But in a top five, I know it can be a win, but I think there's better times and places for that sort of thing.

Crew members agree with that? No. No. No. I know game on all the time, Parker. Game on. Here's where I'm at. Here's where I'm at, man.

When you wreck someone at Portland and run them off course, I want to tat that eye after the race as a crew member. I'm pissed off. Back up there. Wait, wait. Then when it happens two weeks in a row at Sonoma, it's like, I want to do it again. We're pulling out the beef right now. Oh, it's on.

You know what? If we're going to end this street in Long Beach, I think your car continued on both of those events. We'll let them air this out some more on the podcast. Sorry, anyway, we totally went the other way. Yeah, we won't air the dirty laundry. No, I thoroughly enjoy it. So I appreciate that you did that.

Parker, we really appreciate you joining us on the DJD reloaded today. You also, though, have a podcast. Want to give us a little plug for that right now? Oh, I wasn't, yes, please. The Money Lab podcast is Landing Castle. We just recorded our latest episode last night. We usually try to record on Tuesdays, similar to failed you to download. But, yeah, we talk all motorists.

sports, not just NASCAR. So really fun time. We take really deep dives into sometimes altercations on track, that sort of thing, or track limits, or you name it within the motorsports world, but we chalk NASCAR, F1, IndyCar, all global motorsports. It's a good time. Come check it out, the moneylap.com. All right, Parker. We appreciate it. Thanks for joining us. Thanks, Parker. Appreciate it, guys. All right. Well, so we had not only got Parker Klingerman's point of view and much more from that conversation honestly. But we also did ask the fans on a poll question on Twitter or X. What would you do in the scenario? Where would you be in the fight? What are your thoughts about crew members being in that fight? And we're going to reveal those results

coming up. Let's get to the Twitter poll that we put out there. Hashtag, don't hold me to it. Yes, we did put out a poll today or this week. When it comes to drivers' fights, where do you stand on the pit crew being involved. So let's go ahead and pull those results back up. And your choices of this were leave it to the drivers, which, wow, huge majority. 76%. The other options, get in there and get some. Diffuse, diffuse, diffuse. Only 7% said that. And then others you could have written in an answer here to hashtag, don't hold me to it, but 1.8%. Does that surprise you at all, Jim? Yeah, kind of. Yeah, I think. As a crew member, I mean, obviously I want to get in there and get some.

Like, I feel like I got clout in the game. Did you vote in the poll? No, I did not. I didn't know the poll was there. I should have. Maybe I could have bumped the number up 0.1%. Yeah, no, I mean, it kind of surprises me. Like, you know, I think people feel like the crew members have worked on them race cars and put a lot of effort into them.

And for them to not have any clout in the game, no, I'm not saying we've got to go beat the crap out of each other, right? but I do feel like we should be able to push and shove a little bit without losing your livelihood. All right. So we know that March Madness is happening right now, and you're probably wondering, why are we bringing up March Madness right now when we're talking about fights on Pit Road after these races? By the way, four Carolina teams are still in the Sweet 16 as it sits right now. So a fourth of the field out there. So that's pretty exciting. But Andrew, we wanted to maybe take this fighting thing a little bit further in a bracket challenge with some of these Xfinity series drivers.

We seeded them. Yes. Maybe based off of some physical traits, how big they are, how strong they look. Yeah, we didn't go into those details. But we have eight drivers, so eight seeds. The first seed in the Xfinity series, I don't know if you would agree with this, but it's Austin Hill. I think that's fair. I think that's very fair.

And then the eighth seed that he would go up against in a bracket challenge. Yes, we're bringing this back to March Madness. But a bracket challenge might be Shane Van Gisberg. SVG. I think we gave him the eight seed just because he's kind of the newbie in the series. But certainly if you're looking at the size, I mean, this is another big guy, Jim. Yeah, I'm going SVG. Whoa.

Really? The upset in the first round. I think for me, there's too many unknowns with SVG. On the outside, he's calm. and he looks nice and cool, but we really don't know him yet. And I think when we get to know him, I think he's going to not explode, but I think the more you get to know somebody, I think he's a fighter, man. Coming from the sports cars, his background, how he raced all the way to where he's at,

he's a scrapper, he's a fighter. So I think he outdoes Austin Hill. This is also a fitting matchup because they got into it at the end of the Infinity Race just this past weekend. Should I do the next matchup here? Sure. Give it to us. Number two, Josh Williams versus number seven, Chandler Smith. This is on the other side of our bracket here. I'm going with Josh Williams for sure.

You can't have hair like that and not be a good fighter, right? You know what? You're giving the heart sign. But yeah, that's the thing. He's like, he's all about that piece. I think it's got to be Chandler Smith. I don't know if either of these two really would want to fight, though. No, probably not.

Chandler's a pretty good dude, got a couple kids. Yeah. Pretty reserved, right? I'm just saying if they got it. in a fight, like who do you think is winning? I'm going Chandler. Really? All the upsets, wow.

I might. I think the bigger they are, the harder they fall. For Chandler. For Chandler in this situation. I'm going to go Josh Williams. I changed my mind twice. And you have the bracket filled out. I'm just bystandard.

And all of this, three-seed, Sheldon Creed, against the six-seed, Jesse Love, who you got, Jim? R-C-C-R. I'm going Sheldon. There's way too much pen-up frustration there. It's coming out sooner or later. He might need to be seated higher. Yeah.

You know what's great about this? That was a good matchup. Yeah. Yeah. We'll get to the round two in a second. Number four, Parker Kligerman versus, this is very fitting, actually, versus number five, Justin Allgaier. Me?

Oh, I can't go against my driver. I'm taking my driver. Wow. Justin. Did you all fill out the full bracket? Who did you have winning the whole thing? So my second round, this is amazing. They get to see each other again.

It's Austin Hill versus Sheldon Creed. I have Austin Hill winning. I have Allgaier winning. So it's Allgaier versus Josh Williams. I think Josh Williams wins that. Hill versus Josh Williams. Austin Hill wins it. That's it for me.

Georgia Boy gets it done. That country strong. That's what he looks like. Big country. Yeah. Who did you have? I had SVG, probably similar bracket, but because I had SVG beaten Austin Hill, I had SVG taking it all.

The Cinderella story from Australia. Number eight seed winning. All right. Well, we're going to set this up, right? We're going to Richmond this weekend. Yeah, right after practice, we're going to get these eight guys. You're going to be there to be the guy that holds them to it. I just want to see you in that atmosphere and see how you hold up, not necessarily the drivers.

I'll be the wingman. See, you started the show by saying you weren't the instigator, and now we've turned you into the instigator. He can say anything behind a mic, right? That's safe. Yes, that's right. All right. Well, Jim, we appreciate you joining us. We're going to go ahead and get to the white flag.

Tell you about all the dirty mo media content that is out there this week. Obviously, the tear down. That was the first one out on the week after Coda, Jeff Gluck, Jordan Bianchi, giving us their takes. We had DBC with Connor Zillich, Andrew. What a great guy to have on this week. such a talent that's coming up into the sport. Really great episode of DBC. Oh, it was.

I mean, he is a freaking wheelman, and I feel like we're going to be seeing a lot more of him. I mean, he's racing some races later on in the year for J.R.M. It's going to be fun to watch him progress through his crew. Yeah, actions detrimental with Denny Hamlin and Jared Allen. I mean, this guy is just growing in fame every time he gets back out on the track. Good to see that. The Dale Jr. download with Bobby Hill and Jr. Great episode.

I just listened to this as well, just learning so much about the history. of his career, kind of where he came from. We got Speed Street. We got Dirty Mo Doe. If you want to place those bets, you've got to listen to Dirty Mo Doe first. That is imperative. Yes, we had Tampa Tim's come on the download and tell us all about Dirty Mo Doe. Like, this is the time to be listening to that show, especially with gambling legal in North Carolina.

I also, I have not listened yet, but I'm going to have to listen to Speed Street because there were a lot of interesting things. to be said after Indy Cars kind of All-Star experiment over the weekend. Connor, I know, was Boots on the Ground. So that's going to be one that's worth listening to. Yeah, a lot of great content this week. We hope you appreciated this episode, Jim. We appreciate it. We also appreciate Parker for joining us as well.

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