The Dale Jr. Download - You Block, You Pay

Episode Date: July 15, 2025

Dale Earnhardt Jr. returns from Wine Country for a brand-new episode of Dirty Air. He joins co-host TJ Majors to unpack everything that went down when NASCAR took over Sonoma:Dale has been staying up LATEThe TNT broadcast made a lot of progress in SonomaWas Ty Gibbs’ move on pit road intentional?Josh Berry may have gotten revenge on Erik JonesRoss Chastain and Daniel Suarez have an on-track incidentIs Kyle Larson in a slump?Race winner Shane Van Gisbergen joins the show During the Ask Jr. segment of the episode, listeners wrote in questions regarding:Dale’s recent estate sale findDrivers’ tape markings on the steering wheelFavorite Davey Allison and Adam Petty storiesMore prank stories  And for more content check out our YouTube page: https://www.youtube.com/@DirtyMoMediaDirty Mo Media is launching a new e-commerce merch line! They’ve got some awesome Dale Jr. Download merch on the site. Visit shop.dirtymomedia.com to check out all the new stuffFanDuel: Must be 21+ and present in select states (for Kansas, in affiliation with Kansas Star Casino) or 18+ and present in D.C. First online real money wager only. $5 first deposit required. Bonus issued as nonwithdrawable bonus bets which expire 7 days after receipt. Restrictions apply. See terms at sportsbook.fanduel.com. Gambling Problem? Call 1-800-GAMBLER or visit FanDuel.com/RG. Call 1-888-789-7777 or visit ccpg.org/chat in Connecticut, or visit mdgamblinghelp.org in Maryland. Hope is here. Visit GamblingHelpLineMA.org or call [phone] for 24/7 support in Massachusetts or call 1-877-8HOPE-NY or text HOPENY in New York.Consumer Cellular: New customers get a $5 credit on first five monthly invoices. Visit https://savings.consumercellular.com/DJD for details.Arby’s: Arby’s Cheesesteak is Here! Use code DALE to redeem $0 Delivery on any order in the Arby’s app.  Check out Dirty Mo Media on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@DirtyMoMedia  Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Have you had to, like, adjust what your etiquette is, what you're comfortable doing in those scenarios? Yeah, yes and no. And then you learn other drivers, right? Like, you know, that guy who did that at Coda, the 21 car, he'd do that every day, even to his grandma, probably, you know, but racing against Chase Briscoe on the weekend, he's someone I know is going to race me hard and push things to the limit, but he's not just going to spin me out for no reason. But, you know, if the 77 was behind me on the last restart, I'll be able to. I'm shitting myself, you know. The following is a production of Dirty Mo Media.

I'm still sour, man, that I wasn't your best man at your wedding. When will you start mentally, like, getting ready for the race? Can you not tell I'm mentally ready? Travis has some dumb ideas, but I agree with them on this one. It doesn't sound like you know what you're talking about. You haven't scratched the surface yet. I mean, what the fuck do you won't? I just think the last few laps, it was just like stop every time.

You're picky. This ain't walking in and happy. it's your way, motherfucker. All right. This ain't Burger King. Travis is like, I'm wrapping us up. They all have no fun around here.

Hey everybody, it's Dale Jr. And we're back again for another episode of the, Dale Jr. download is Tuesday, and T.J. Major's, my co-host is here. How are you doing, TJ? I'm good. How are you doing?

I'm all right, man. We are 45 minutes late. I want to admit that up front. I am late. I am late. Sorry, Travis. Travis is here. Yes.

I am late, people. I don't know what's going on, man, but, I mean, you went to Sonoma and you're here on time, but... I promise you, I got back later than you. You did. Oh, yeah. I got back a lot later than you. And I had, you know, we both had all day yesterday to sort of regroup, but you know, the truth. You overslept.

Dirty truth. Gosh. Sure. I was up last night working on my playbook. Oh, I knew it. That's exactly. I knew it. Yes.

Already. Man, I got another admission. Oh, just slid it all out. This is just a confession room today. This is more like, bless your heart content, but I got to put this out there too. I have developed this habit that I hate about myself.

And I used to not be this way, but so, you know, we, we get to a point to where we put the kits down. That's right around 8.30, 9 o'clock. It's a little later in the summer. But, okay, when that, When that actual thing happens where we've put the kids to bed, I'm going to go downstairs, and chances are I'm probably going to play a game that's on our schedule in college football

or sit on the couch with Amy. But whatever, she'll go to bed and I stay up. And, man, it's 12 o'clock. And, I mean, I'm just sitting there watching YouTube or. It goes by quick. Yeah, like, like, fuck, dude. and last night she goes to bed I looked at the clock and I'm like dang it's one o'clock

like she stayed up pretty late usually I kind of go off of her when she gets up and goes to bed there's a middle clock in my head and I'm like all right it's probably 1030 or 1130 I looked at it's one o'clock you know what my ass did I got up went in the living room sat down

and watched the 1993 Daytona or Firecracker 400 for no damn reason. Everything in the universe is saying, yeah, it's better go to bed. You got a damn podcast to do in the morning. But that YouTube Firecracker 41993 staring right at me, and I'm like,

I gotta watch this, man, what happened? I can't remember. I do the same thing. And you know what? Dad busted his ass on the last lap off of turn two and had to block the shit out of Kenny Schrader. And then Sterling Marlin, who was driving the Stobola Brothers number eight,

I was, I think I was at this race, I feel like. But I don't remember him nearly losing, I mean, led most of the race. Yeah. And he nearly lost on the last lap. How do you, really close? If you were there, what was the, how did you watch it? And then I was standing in the pits. Yeah.

And so then I get up and it's 3.30 and I'm like, yep, I regret this decision. And then I wake up this morning and I'm regretting it even more. and everything's behind. Everything's, you know, once you do that, everything's behind. But this habit of not just doing the right thing and going to bed, this habit of watching some old race or some freaking stupid, you know, college football 26 video that I don't need to really watch in that. You don't need to watch any of them.

I know. Take all them off your list. Dale, are you prepared to actually not, like, play honestly in 26? I do not play... Listen, you can't position change like you could. Oh, I know. Well, I'll find another... No, he's going to...

So listen, this is the way I compete. Travis is asking me, Travis and everybody feels like this is the way I compete. All right, if it's racing, driving race cars, if it's playing card games, if it's playing video games, I don't give you what it is.

I'm going to find the shortest route. I'm going to... You can call it. call it cheating. I'm going to bend a rule. I'm going to now if you say don't do this. If T.J. makes a rule and says outright

you got to have this or you got to do this. I'll play by that. I'm not a rule breaker. If you put them in front of me. I like no rules. No rules is a lot more fun. Yeah, I like to call it innovation. And so if it's not if there's no rule against it.

I'm probably not making rules. Maybe just one or two, but most of them are already covered. It's way harder on me. I'll give T.J. credit when I told him what I was doing and he goes, man, don't abuse it. And of course I abused a shit out of it and he had to, he had to sort of. When you make roles, you have to dive even deeper to regulate it. T.J. was going to let me get away with it to an extent without really divulging it to the rest of the league. But once I pushed it beyond his comfort level, he had to out me to the rest of the league. We kind of wandered off the path here. But let's get back on track.

Sonoma was a great weekend Yeah, it was fun A lot to unpack here The First off We had some comments on The show last week About the actual broadcast itself

I felt like we made some big games, man You know, I walk out of every booth Absolutely critical of myself And there were things that I was really excited for that race, right? And I might have poured it on a little thick at some moments during the race, just in my own opinion of what I did.

But, you know, get a little bit too excited and sort of to take, you know, not giving the rest of the booths the space that they need. But, you know, that's a, that's kind of a personal observation of just my own work. But, man, I felt like. compared to the week before Chicago, it'll never be that hard again. You know, Chicago is going to be as hard as it gets. So it was tough, you know, and man, it was fun. Saturday, we sat in the production truck and talked to the production team a little bit

about the Xfinity race and watched the Xfinity race. We watched some of our practice show back and looking at some of the cuts and things like that and how we're switching from one camera to another. I'm learning a ton in this process. I can't do another job in that production compound. I can't. I can't do their job. They're amazing at what they do,

and it's so complicated in doing, I think, producing a sporting event is tough enough, but a race is maybe the toughest sporting event to produce, to direct. Because, you know, the field's not right there in front of you. And so you're chasing this.

and they, you know, you're chasing these stories and these cars. And, man, there's five battles to show at one point. Which one are you going to show? Are you showing the right one? Are you showing the one that you should be showing? It's just a lot. But, man, we made some big gains, I thought, from Chicago to Sonoma. That felt great.

Still some, you know, you never leave any show going, man, that was as good as we're going to be. You know, one of the best advice I've ever gotten was with, TV, and I kind of think this is true with a lot of things, is it's never as bad as it feels, and it's never as good as it feels. And I think if the race isn't as good as what fans want it to be, then the broadcast is going to, the fans are going to hold the broadcasts accountable. More accountable than if the race is great, then the broadcast is great. Well, my opinion about that, Travis, is the race is always great.

And I know that that, you know, you can say, well, what about Kentucky when Tarex let, one by 17 seconds or whatever? or you know Mexico City where SVG had you know one by one of the largest leads we'd seen in years I I'm of the opinion that the race is always great like there's never we never are we're never going to show you know that I guess that's just being a big fan boy in NASCAR but well you're a lot of times you're either in the booth or your passion for racing is much different than like a fan of mine yeah or the average fan that's at home watching on their couch good point but yeah So I guess I'll say, like, I never am going to leave the booth and go, well, we couldn't, we couldn't carry that, you know.

We couldn't, the race was so bad, you know, we. Yeah, you're not going to ever feel like that. You know, so. I'll give you that. Your guys' energy never fell off. There's, I just feel like there's always something happening. And if SVG drives away and is going to drive away after every restart and not be, you know, there's not going to be much of a story. up there. There's always something.

And, you know, I felt like we did a really good job of trying to improve on what we're creating. We got a couple weeks left here with Dover and Indy. Dover will be good. Yeah. And so, you know, going to

an oval and that's a little I hope, you know, again, I'm still kind of learning being able to I think with you know, with NBC see, I didn't really bother the production truck or the compound that much. I always looked, I looked at NBC and was like, you know, I was the new guy coming in.

I wasn't going to go sit in the truck and go, hey, man, I think we should do this or try this, or what do you, what, why does this happen? But with T and T, they're like, hey, everybody come on in, you know, everybody, let's all talk about this and see what, what ideas come to the top of the surface here. But it's, I'm learning a crap time, man. It's awesome. So I felt pretty good about it. Dover, you'll be back in the, you'll be able to see the track.

Oh, man, I can't wait. Yeah, you'll have a view. So at Sonoma, we could see from turn four all the way down to the breaking zone of 11. I couldn't see the cars going through turn 11, but I could see them heading there out of 10. You know what's getting ready to happen. They would, I could see them go by us on the front straight away. Yep. At the flag stand, then they'd disappear.

I couldn't see one, I couldn't see one, two, three, three. 3A4. I could see enough, and I felt like we kind of stayed, you know, stayed on. I would say for Chicago, we were chasing the race. I felt like we were chasing the race the whole time.

You know, when the broadcast is going really well, you feel like you're in front of the race, and I felt like we were on top of it. I think seeing the track, though, you get to stay in fact. Yeah, because you can, you see what's getting ready to happen

before it happens. Oh, yeah. Chicago, you can't call it until it happens. No. I had a lot of fun. The race itself, I thought, was a good race. You know, Jeff Gleck does his poll every week. I'm not sure where it landed. I thought it was 68% or something when I looked at last, but I feel like it was a pretty solid race, you know, from just a general perspective of entertainment. There was a lot going on and 62 is where it ended. That's pretty low. I could give it about a 75, honestly. Yeah. I mean, a guy whooped everyone's tail, so it's going to be hard to get a high number on that. What was wrong with the race?

There wasn't a whole lot of... What? Passing up there at front. No. The strategies were kind of straightforward. Yeah. Yeah. Well, look, the guy, I think when he flipped stage two and won it, that was like the holy shit.

Right. What does anybody else? What can you do? If a guy flips stage two, I think... If a guy flips the stage and then wins the stage, that's the ultimate, you. That's like the, there's,

the rest of the field's got no, there's no strategy, right? Unless they all didn't pit and put him in the back of the field. But eventually you got to pay the penalty and come to pit road and get fuel and tires and all those things. I mean, he just had a cover. Can you fix that? No, get better.

Get better. Yeah, that's, I guess, you know. There was a lot of things. going on in the back of the field or in the middle of the pack and some interesting there were comers and goers yeah interesting yeah the tire you know the tire in the first stage um larson fell off real bad at the end of the stage denny sucked us he had no rear grip right but like there were then he faded hard there were some cars that faded really bad at the end of some of these runs so whatever good year's done with this new tire at the road courses

I know we still ain't seeing, you know, SVG kind of spoiled the opportunity to see some battles up front. But, you know, that tire has created some. Good racing. Cummers and goers. It's a big, big improvement over the original tire that we were running before. Absolutely. You were involved in one little situation, TJ, with Ty Gibbs. I wasn't involved in any situation.

You are involved. Wait a minute. Are you not, you not, you not, I wasn't physically involved. You're not a, you know, when your boys are in the muck, you ain't right there with them, even though you're on top of a heel somewhere? I didn't even know it went down until after a little while later, but yeah. Well, your boy, Telvin. Yeah.

He was not happy. Ohio State in our college football league. So Telvin carries tires, correct? Yep. He's the one that Ty Gibbs hit when he comes into the pit box. So Telvin is standing in the pit box. He's got both tires in his hands. Ty Gibbs clips the tire in his left hand.

Telvin's not out in the middle of the box. He's up against the wall. There's, you know, and I, um, so the way this plays out is, is let's back up a little bit to an incident that happened down in turn 11. Ty Gibbs faded left or faded right to block a breaking zone move. Chris was close enough to pass. Chris Busher was close enough to pass. Christopher faded right into the breaking zone.

Ty Gibbs blocks him. Christopher just pops him in the ass and ships him on in to turn 11. Will it, Christopher or Chris? Chris, Christopher. He slides up the racetrack. Ty Gibbs does. And Christopher goes on. And that's a move we see time and time again.

If I'm Ty Gibbs, I'm pissed off, but I'm also thankful that I didn't spin out. You also took the risk of by making that block. You block. You pay. You pay. I saw you and all a little gaggle of spotters you had on the golf cart about 10 o'clock in the morning or something like that

y'all were getting ready to go up to the spotter stand and I said hey guys I want to see some people get spun out today you block you pay tell your drivers if they block they pay all right I delivered the message for you did so Chris Busher said you block you pay right there in that moment

but he didn't do it he didn't spin him out I would say he didn't spin him out so tie Gibbs should you know, Ty Gives could be a little disgruntled about it, but at the same time go, well, I'm thankful I'm not backwards and losing 10, 20 spots here. So, and by the way, you block you pay, if there's like a 10 commandments in NASCAR or in racing,

that's one of them. We should write a, you know, we should write a 10 commandments. There's a, there's a, we can start off by putting you block, you pay on the board. But there's definitely a gap where you know the guy behind you has caught you enough, right? Yeah.

That you know he's going to, he's got. Yeah, I mean, if you block into the breaking zone of 11 or turn 7, I think it's totally fair for the guy to give you a little bumper to shove you a little beyond your breaking zone and up, up off the bottom of the corner so you can bend around the turn and pass, okay? And you shouldn't right rear or wreck the guy. Maybe you bump him in the next corner and get him back, but, you know, it's sort of an eye for an eye on that situation. It is. Well, all those, that happens all day long. You know, there's all kinds of contact and guys pushing each other through the breaking zones. Well, Ty Gibbs, then immediately after that, during, I believe, a green flag pit stop cycle, comes into his pit box, and Telvin is in the six box where your driver back,

is Lasky is also pitting right behind the 54. They're pitting together. the 54 drives through the six box that's not uncommon you've got to drive through a box or two to get into your box properly absolutely the 54 does have an out in front of him nobody's in front of him so he doesn't really need to get pointed too aggressively to be able to exit his own box but he does drive through your box a little more shallow than he had the stops before the times before but there is this red marker, there's this red stripe on the corner of the box. And I believe that is to signify you know, where a driver, how far

a driver can drive through the boxes, right? Well, that marks for if he's coming around us. That's the mark he has to go by. If he's coming around us already. So, well, Ty mentioned that line right there and said, you know, that's my, that's my, that's

kind of something he uses or something that he um pays attention to to be able to approach the pit box that he's trying to get into but that also is a good reference for like how where he was or how he pitted prior to that and so anyways he hits telvin telvin and and the boys get a little pissed off about that because they felt like he did kind of come in there a little bit shallow and there's a little bit of a pushing and shoving match between some of the crew members on tie gibbs and some of the crew

members on the RFK team for the number six car. And so if you look at that thing from, you know, from a 40,000 foot view, you think, okay, Ty Gibbs did that shit on purpose because he got ran into the corner by the 17. You think, oh, Ty did that on purpose because what happened in turn 11? He's pissed off and he can't, you know, he's like, and his tie gives that devious that he's like, well, it's not to 17. It is a six, though. So I'll, I'll show these some of the.

you know, if I can't, you know, if I can't get back at Chris Busher, I can at least show my displeasure to the 6th team. Well, that's pretty freaking devious. That's a bridge too far from here. It is. I just can't believe maybe he's that much of a, maybe he's that much of a, you know. It'd be one thing if they had the same sponsored car or the pit cruiser were in the same. No, I'm just saying like, when I got, you know, when I got pissed off at a driver,

I didn't go, you know, I didn't start, you know, I didn't start, you know, taking it out on his teammates. If I couldn't reach him or couldn't somehow affect his race or get him back. I never, it never crosses your mind to go, well, I'll, I'll, teammate over. And that'll, that'll show him. I don't, I just can't believe that Ty Gibbs, his mind went there. I agree. Right. Um, because I don't think it did.

but it is possible and I saw this comment on social media, the guy named Jerry, I believe, he said that this was akin to the brushback pitch in baseball where you'll throw high and inside and get the batter to back up off the plate. Or a pitcher might throw a pitcher maybe some, something happened in the game there was some contact or a bad pitch from the previous inning that pissed everybody off on that team and the the pitcher for the other team goes in and gets one in there tight against the batter and it's like a message right I would say if

anything that's what this is which in baseball that's kind of part of the game right and so no doubt if this was intentional, if you could prove it to be intentional, he should be penalized because you can't use your race car in a dangerous situation around bodies on pit road, right? That is by far, I mean, if you could prove it to be intentional, then you'd have to say, dude, and he's got a little bit of a, you know, a little bit of a history here. I think he's been penalized before. He has. He has. You'd had to say, look, man, but how do you prove it to be intentional? How could you prove it? That's the question. So we can't prove it. I don't think you can prove it. He's there, unless he admits it.

But, yeah, pretty, pretty, uh, if it's, if this was really intentional, that's super brazen. But damn, dude, I mean, he is trying to get into his pit box. And in those situations, we're always kind of taught as drivers, if we're Brad, to give up a car length of two to allow our guys to get time to run around the car and you can't argue that TJ you know that's true it is true but look at the gap we're following him in

I know but Telvin Telvin's move to get out is right behind that 54 yeah right I think if you want my side of it I think that Ty I don't know if he got behind and it surprised him when his pit stall

came up which maybe that could have happened maybe it was like His, if you, that, that perspective right there shows Ty turning in relatively late. And I can drive, Ty could have, if, three, I know three stalls. He barely clips the second stall. Like he doesn't, he puts one tire on the outside corner of stall number two. That's why I'm saying, I think he might, maybe, maybe he got behind in his kind, because we are coming around the corner right there.

And I, I don't know if Ty was thinking ahead. I also know that, that, that, Ty is very good at doing little things in the racetrack. Like, Ty does a lot of little things that you might not ever see. He does. He does. When you're side drafting him, he swears at you, things like that. So, I know, to your point, TJ, Ty Gibbs does come across as that petty little, oh, I can show you all the time behind the wheel of the car.

Teammates, not teammates? He's always that way. Oh, yeah. I mean, in the Xfinity series, yeah, he's pretty aggressive with his teammates. He's wrecked him for a win. I agree. Look, I mean, the history that he has would tell you that this is probably an intention. Like, he, the history that he has would tell you that, man, this might be something that he meant to do.

Like, he really tried to send a message here. So we also, there's one more part to it. We had ran. But I am a mate. That's a wild to think that a driver is going to do that. I agree. It's just hard for me to believe. I'm that kind of person, though, that just can't believe the worst in somebody. You know, I'm not going to go, I'm not going to, I'm not going to assume the worst case scenario. Now you know, I feel dealing with you and the football league. I want to, yes, exactly. That's a great point. Like, I want to assume that this, this dude wouldn't do that. Nobody would do that. I don't think there's a drive in the cup series that is actively going to aim their car for a pick. But it's like, I don't think. I don't think. I think he aimed. I think it was like a brushback. It was. But that's what people are making it seem like

is he was trying to hit him like. Look, he's not trying to hit anybody. He's not trying to hit him. But I do think there is an, there's, I do think there's the potential that he was definitely, you know, like a brush back, brush back pitch kind of scenario where he's like, like, you know, you, you know, get out of the fucking way. Get out of my way. I'm coming into my stall. And, and yeah, you're, you know, he ties it.

you could make the argument that he tied it together between what happened with Chris Busher and turn 11. I know it's a stretch and I don't want to believe that's true. That's true. But the history that Ty has doesn't help him in this argument. We had also just ran him down and he knew that we were faster than him. So I want to get this guy away from me. So I'm going to try to get him back and have a bad side. No. Okay. You don't want to be passed. Oh, he wanted to be passed on the track. No, T.J. I'm just saying I don't think he's thinking that coming into his pit stall. I think he's just trying to get in his stall and not

fuck up his pit stop. I think when I'm coming on pit road, all of the things that have happened to me on the track, all the shit I'm mad about or annoyed about, I'm not thinking about any of that. I'm just like position my car in a stall. Don't fuck this up, right? Don't get too deep in the stall. Don't get too far left. So they can't jack the car up.

You know, land where I'm supposed to land. So the, so the changer is right there at the, you know, at the, at the, at the spot, I just trying to, I'm trying, I can't, I can't multitask. See, I think a lot of them do now. I think it's advanced now. Yeah. Oh, wow. Yeah. They're better than you. Well, I'm just saying there's more layers to it now. They're like robots out there. That's what I was going to say. It's like a robot, man. Like you just, I don't know, man. I just, listen, if I was, what I think should happen is that if I was NASCAR, if I was Helton, or the old Helton or the new Helton. I'd get Ty Gibbs to come into the truck next week.

When we go to Dover, I'd sit him down. I'd say, hey, can't prove this was intentional. Maybe it wasn't. Maybe it was. I just want you to know, do a little better job next time. You know, you can't, you know, those got, Telvin's not in a bad spot. Telvin's not in a vulnerable spot.

He's out of the way. You can get in your box without running into him. if you look at where Ty Gibbs is in his pit box, he's got a little room to give in terms of where his car is. He set his car perfectly in his box. He did. But considering the fact that there's a robot, considering the fact that there are crew members on the racetrack

or on pit road in the box behind his, he could have been a little, he could have made the adjustment. And again, I think Brad could have backed up a little bit, so Telvin could have made, and, you know, Telvin wouldn't have been as vulnerable to have to get out there when he did. But these guys are taught not to be giving up half a car link, the car length on pit road. In my day, that wasn't a big deal.

So Brad might say, hey, Dale, I can't give up a fucking half a car link. I can't back up and give my guys a space. We can't afford to do that. I'm trying to beat this guy off pit road. If we beat him on, if this pit stop goes the way it should, I'm going to beat the 54 to the end of pit road and take the spot. I get that, you know. I think it's... I will tell you that it was actively said on our radio

that give a gap for the guys on the way in. Oh, yeah? Absolutely. Okay, good. So he's still doing that. So, you know, maybe he could have any... I don't know. I just think Ty was too aggressive with it.

He was. And that's it. He had open boxes. Do you think his own purpose? I don't... I think it all added together and he wasn't against... I don't think he's trying to hit the guy. But I think he's trying to make it hard.

He's not trying to hit the guy. I think he's trying to make it hard. I think he's trying to make a guy. it hard. And I mean, I don't like the second turn in like he was late. Like, you know, your crew chief tells you when you're coming up here, hey, you got your openings in. I'm surprised.

Yeah, I'm with, so are you saying I feel the same way, I think, I think we're saying the same thing? Probably. I'm surprised that he didn't drive through the second box more. That's what I'm saying. Like, you had three openings in. The 51 was before us. He's not sitting there.

Yeah. So what's the- And so maybe if he had not taken. such a hard angle into your box. Maybe he's not hitting Telvin. And Telvin might actually not think he's coming that far. You know, Kelvin might seem coming at a different angle and go, okay, I'm going to wait a little bit, way to beat.

It looks bad because he's aimed right at Talvin. It looks bad because he's aggressive on his turn. That's the most believable. He was too aggressive and should have come in sooner. But why be that aggressive turning it? Turning makes the pit stop harder. I will say that, and I'm not being biased here, but Brad to me is over. over-aggressive giving given room for the guys.

Because we followed guys in a ton this year. We followed guys in and he leaves. Brad? Way more room than what I want him to leave. Look at how many boxes Brad drives through right there. Brad drives through a whole box. He's like two boxes. Yes.

I agree. And Ty could have done the same thing. Yeah. If Ty had done that. But I mean, if you're Talvin, how do you react? Oh yeah. Are you okay with the reaction? Well.

Like, where you'd be mad, just the angle that he comes in, it looks like he's aiming for you. And he said, what was in his intention. years of doing this. He's never had a guy do that. Are you okay with one pit crew going up to another pit crew during the race and having this confrontation? Yeah, I guess. Well, I mean, if they're passionate

man. But thankfully everybody was okay and everybody carried on him. Do we need to review when we allow pit crew members over the wall? That's something that is a bit interesting because Telvin's on pit road, staying in. I don't know what the role is for the gap. Yeah, well, I know

but I remember years ago, we jumped off the wall, right? Everybody did. But now they're allowing, you know, the carrier to be on pit road as the car's coming in. And so Telvin's up on the wall with the jack man,

the tire changers, and everybody else. You know, he probably doesn't get hit. But you got, you know, I don't know. Yeah, probably for sure then. Yeah. Yeah, I don't know. I, um, yeah, I don't have a problem with him going

in those other guys' pit box, but I also don't have a problem with them reacting the way they did. I kind of think, you know, you come into my pit box, you've got to be ready for whatever's coming. You know, I just watched it again, and seeing Ty get pointed out like he did, he knew what he was doing, in my opinion. The only, if you, when you come in and you react late,

you don't get pointed out. You just get it, you're like, oh, God, I just got to get in the box here straight. When you come in and get it pointed back out, he knew where he was going. He didn't have the, oh, shit, when you're pointing out. You know, if you come in late, you're like,

oh, God, get it in here. Like he had though, like smooth. Like to me, I mean, it's perfect. Yeah. How he aimed out. So you think NASCAR should have punished him? Yeah, that's the question, I guess. I don't know if they should punish him.

Well, you just said he did it on purpose. I mean, I think he knew what he was doing. I don't think he tried to hit a guy, but I think he knew what he was doing. NASC, that's another thing. I think there's a good debate online. When you watch all of this, Ty Gibbs didn't do anything that you could penalize. Exactly. he didn't do anything that you could penalize

he would have to admit that he did this on purpose for you to penalize him because looking at the film he broke no rule I agree and people you know unfortunately get hit sometimes on pit road and to your point because it's Ty Gibbs

if this was you know Chase Elliott someone else we wouldn't be having the same outrage you're right but Ty Gibbs that's Ty Gibbs's responsibility not ours. Correct.

Ty Gibbs has created the narrative. I mean, looking at all the lines and all the boxes. Don't you feel like I'm right about that? Some of it,

but I also think because it's, oh, he's Joe Gibbs's grandson, people don't believe he doesn't. So, like, he gets added on hatred because of,

but he created that narrative? He does. Some of it. But I think he's all. Some of it. Actions. Okay, but because he's got the ride

and they're like, oh, grandpa gave it to you. That's not it. No. But people are adding that on to it. That's a little bit maybe if some people might feel that way. The dude is freaking talented. He's a badass race car driver, particularly on the roadcourses,

and smoked our ass in the damn Xfinity series when he was there. So, I mean, he belongs. He knows what he's doing. He's earned the ride, but his actions sometimes around, you know, his actions sometimes on the racetrack just are interesting or not. and he's like wrecking Brandon Jones for the win at Martinsville that like that I mean that's that stuff right there that's it's gonna follow him for a while it's gonna take a while for him to shit road incident before this when he got he got penalized right so it's not his first offense so when you have a guy that's a repeat offender acting like that you bring that up on yourself in my opinion but tie is a very talented race car driver and we all had him pegged to win his first I mean multiple wins you know what I mean he's had some struggles but he's been a He started off really good in the Cup series. So, and he's great of road courses.

I do want to say to put a button on the Ty Gibbs-Bragis-Lasky deal, the crew chief for Brad, his comment or his quote was to Jackman, Braxton, Brannan on the 54, it's your right to drive through there. It sucks, but it is what it is. So, I mean, I think everybody looks at it and goes, there's not an obvious penalty. Yeah, I agree. anything NASCAR because people were like, people were a bit annoyed that NASCAR called it fair.

And I'm in the booth with Steve and Steve's watching and he's like, man, there's nothing illegal there. There's no penalty. And I couldn't see one either. He's definitely close to the line. Whether you've got one shelf or a whole wall dedicated to NASCAR diecast, there's always room for more. And nobody brings the excitement to the track and to your collection like Lionel Racing,

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Hey, that's how you do it. If, uh, because I was watching that Chicago race and I'll, y'all know Josh drove here. Josh's a friend of mine. Um, and so you call it whatever you want to call that don't give a shit. But the pat, that is not a passing zone down the hill into turn seven at Chicago. And, uh, ironically, they're both turn sevens. Yeah. But so the 43 wrecked Josh at, uh, at that turn in Chicago and it's not a pass that's not a pass. Is that an area where you think you're trying to make a pass?

Man, that's a really risky area. No. Not, I mean. And so Josh is like, dude, what are we doing? Josh probably didn't even expect the 43 to make the move into the breaking zone of seven

there in Chicago and do that. So Josh is a racer and he's like, hey, perfect an opportunity right here turn seven, a couple laps to go. So he didn't give Jones a break. Got into his back bumper, spun him around. Intentional or not, I don't got a problem with that one.

But then we get to the top of the hill in turn two. And it looked to me like this one was a, you're fucking out of here. So if we watch this all kind of starts back in turn 11, Josh goes down into turn 11, gets into the back bumper the 77. Nice little tap right there, hits him in the quarter panel a little bit on corner exit. They get three wide. They're beating and banging the 45, Josh. Josh is just banging with the 45.

They're three wide. And Josh and the semi-center are older tires. Yep. And Josh is just trying to survive. They go up the hill. And this looked really intentional to me because, you know, Josh just drives in and pops the 77 in the ass and fucking he's gone. And so I text Josh and I'm like, damn, dude, that was, I text Josh and I was like,

I'm all, man. Way to go. Now it comes out. Yeah. I text Josh and was like, fuck him all, man. And he's like, actually the seven. missed the corner. He's like, actually the 77. I just cooked it in there too far. I didn't mean to do that. And I was like, okay, I didn't know if he was reckoned Hosevar for the community or what.

But it was well received. Yeah, well received. But it got a lot of texts afterwards. But anyhow, I just thought that was kind of funny. Josh ended up turning a pretty sour. Josh has struggled at the road courses. He's, I think he would admit that he's got a lot of gains to make as a driver. at those racetracks, and they squeaked out a 13th place finish after probably having an... That's pretty good. Yeah, average running position of probably 28th. I was going to say, he was way back there. Yeah, he was.

That's a solid run. Yeah, he took out a few guys there to turn that 15th into a 13th. I mean, obviously, I think the 43 was probably perfect scenario lined up, and he wasn't going to... He could have cut him a break and lifted a little bit there. He didn't cut me a break. I'm not cutting any one. any issues with the 43 move like should he

NASCAR shouldn't do anything what I don't I mean NASCAR is not going to do anything unless you admit doing it on purpose well we saw like Austin Cendrick Ty Dillon I think they're a little different yeah they're right wow one turn left to clip a guy in the quarter panel this is at Cota

the two drives across the racetrack three lanes two and a half lanes to get to the corner panel of the 10 to take him out no I would just say Josh is a racer and he knows how he's not going to wreck he's not going to wreck Jones unless it's the perfect scenario and it happened to be presented to him perfectly in this scenario it was like yep so off of seven low grip hard to get drive everyone's spinning the tires everybody's running into everybody I mean exactly the four of Gregson's wrecking behind them so I mean there's all kinds of chaos happening and look bud if you're Eric, you kind of feel like that was the lightest payback you could get. If I'm Eric Jones, I'd probably be like, all right, we're even. We're moving forward.

Josh got the worst end of that deal by far in Chicago. Yeah, probably. I mean, no's head onto the wall. Eric just spun out. Gary spun out and got to carry on. He gets to drive away. Exactly. That's what I'm saying. And everybody who's sitting here going, Dale Jr., and his Josh Berry fandom,

of course he's going to have his back, you're right. right. You are absolutely right. Josh is the fucking man. But why? He's on the list we can't make fun of on this show. Yeah, that's right. No matter who it is. We can make fun of Josh. We could. We can't. When it's warranted. When warranted, yeah.

And I made fun of him. For the host of Ardeal, yes. If he really cooked it in the corner and up, we can make fun of that. But the thing with Erich, the thing with Jones off of sevens is kind of like a hey man, that's kind of is what it is. I'm going to, if I can get you, I'm going to get you.

It works out. Because if you don't, Josh is still, even though Josh is like 33 or whatever, he's still relatively kind of green in the NASCAR Cup world. Eric Jones is a veteran. Eric Jones is one of those guys that's going to, you know, hold his ground as well. He's pretty aggressive. He doesn't like to get pushed around and he's going to push back. That's the way you got to be.

You got to be, if you get the chance to get the chance to get the, the guy back, you got to get him back, because if you don't, he's going to do this that he did to you in Chicago over and over and over. They're going to know that they can push you around. You ain't going to fucking do nothing. For sure. And so Josh has to kind of do it some. And this is a great scenario.

Eric's done this. Eric does do this occasionally. Eric's aggressive? He's not fine with the way Eric races. He's aggressive. First year, he wrecked us. I think his move at Chicago's bullshit. You know what he's not going to do again?

He's not going to pass Josh into seven again like that. He probably shouldn't. Probably shouldn't. But they probably shouldn't try to pass anyone in that corner in Chicago. But definitely not Josh. Yeah. So six is, I will say that sometimes guys miss six pretty bad and they get enough of wrong. But if you can't get, if you can get to.

Position on the guy. Door to door or at least, you know, side by side into seven in Chicago, it's still going to bottle you down. Big time. Big time. Yeah. I don't know. Listen, you know, I think, I think that was a fun little, it was, I was, I was sitting there in the booth laughing. I thought it was kind of a little comedic.

The first deal, I was like, oh, yeah, there's a little history there. Josh is paying it back. And then the Hosevar thing, I was like, well, nothing to say about that. That looked pretty straightforward. You know who wasn't laughing? Hosevar. Me. Why?

They cost us 11 spots missing. No, shit. Yes. Damn. You should have went through the dirt. We were passing chase on the right right there. We're door to door chase and watch we go all the way to the right around the 43. And then we lost 11 spots.

Castain and Sores. let's talk about that one. I'm watching this play out in turn 11. Chastain and Suarez are battling in the breaking zone. There was a car in front of them, 22 of Ligano. Neither one of them are in position to try to outbreak Ligano into the corner. Chastain's got a run on Suarez out of 10. Suarez knows it.

Chastain moves right to try to outbreak the 99. the 99 then pulls in front of him to block that move. You block. You block. You pay. And while Chastain is the one... While Chastain is the one who f***ed up here, he made a mistake. You can see the rear tires lock up, and he's like, I can't get it stopped.

We're going in this car. I'm going to hit you. I'm sorry. You know, this is what happens. So Chastain's f***ed up. Let's get that clear. But if the 99 doesn't block, he doesn't block. getting run over. More than likely, he can battle around the outside and

beat and maintain and hold the spot through the front straightaway, the bend to the left, through the front straightaway, and Chastain doesn't get by. But this is an absolute bigger deal because it's teammates. And Sores is, Sores has been, not the best spot. Sores has been very professional. He has been so far publicly. And he's probably sitting here going, all right, now this is, you know, I'm going, I'm going had to handle this. And so that's the, that's the crux of the situation, I think, is, you know, Ross would probably, you would probably have Ross immediately say, look, that was my fault, man, I f***ed up, I couldn't get the car stopped. You know, I was going to try to get in the

corner deeper and you jumped in front of me and I was, I was overcommitted and I hit you, I'm sorry, you know, and, and that should be enough, I think. But, but, but, but, considering that Suarez The situation There's some Yeah Swarez is out of his Out of this job He's feeling

Less than unwanted Rejected Right He's been able to sort of Control those Frustrations around those That feeling To a point

And this kind of stuff right here Might make it a little personal And I don't know really like what opportunities he's got, right, in cup to stay in cup. What openings are there? Where would he go? That would be like a, hell yeah, this is just as good, a lateral move at least, right?

There's nowhere he's going to go. I don't think there's a lateral. There's nothing, right? And so he may be hopeful, and look, I could be wrong and something could open up and somebody might go, yeah, man, we'll take this. But I don't believe there is a, is a, there are a, there is a move where you could go, man, he's stepping into something better. Does he have sponsorship?

He has support. Sponsorship. Well, that matters. He has some funding. I just don't see an opening where Sores can go and you go, that's as good. Right now. That's as good or better. And I think as he starts to see that the lack of paths forward or the lack of opportunity,

that too is going to add to the frustration of things like this happening being, look, hey man, if I'm Suarez, you're kind of sitting there looking at Chastain, those guys going, man, my feelings are hurt because of this situation, but I do want this to end well. Let's all work together and let's try to have a reasonable finish to this season. I want to be a good teammate. I want this to end on good terms. And then, you know, and then you get knocked out and spun out in the corner. This is absolutely Chastain's fault.

He made the mistake, 100%. 100% He would own it But I don't I know it It ain't intentional You can see him Busting his ass

He's losing The rear tires lock up And he starts to spin the car out And he's I don't think he's close enough To make the pass anyway Right there He wasn't

But He wasn't And I think Suarez The only other thing Swares could have done Was Recognize

The one ain't close enough to make the pass I can let him Go on in there And get on my right rear quarter panel I'm going to roll around the top of 11 and beat him out, you know, beat him down the next straightaway.

And I've got the inside bend advantage through turns, you know, through the front straightaway into turn one. His momentum off of 11 should have cleared up. Yeah, clear him. And I'm going to, you know, and then I could get out and I would get in the conf, you know, then I could go to the competition meeting and I would look at this and go, damn, Chastain, what are you doing? You're not, when you, you, you can't pass me there because I showed you that, you know, I was

going to hold you off. You just cost me and you three, four car links to the 22. Why are you trying to pass me there? You're not in position to do it. Yeah. There's two wrongs here. There's definitely two wrongs, then it didn't add up. Chestain, yeah, just a kind of a mistake there, but I think

the reason why we're having the conversation around this is because we have to monitor the, we're going to have to monitor the Daniel Sauras situation, right? Where does he it up. What are his chances and options? And, you know, can he, can he control his emotions? I'll monitor, I'll pay attention and watch this because can Daniel keep it cool, keep it professional? Can you get over this little fuck up here by his teammate and say,

all right, ma'am, we're going to try to end this amicably. What's the word? Amicably? Yes. We're going to try to end this the right way. his source is still trying to find a win and sneak into the playoffs. So let me ask you a question. You're in Daniel's situation. How do you drive? Does this make somebody in his situation?

Daniel says if they don't have a conversation, which they will. They'll fucking talk this out. They will. Daniel's the kind of guy, though, that he'll get your ass back. But does this affect him if they don't? Daniel's physical.

He is. Yeah, he put McDowell on a hood. McDial's a big boy. Yeah, that's not easy to do. Put him on the hood. In your opinion, how does Daniel drive now? Does he drive, you know, he's trying to find a ride and try, like, does he, is there, is it possible to try too hard and get yourself in more trouble right now? Yes. That's why we're going to watch. We're going to watch to see what he does. Does he drive harder? Does he, does he make mistakes? Does he push people around? Is this a time to get smarter?

Does he just, you know, does he fade under the rug and disappear? What happens, right? It's, it's, it's, he's a cast in a, in a play that has a, that has a curious, role. And a limited number of roles. And who knows where he ends up if he's even part of the cast next year, right? What do you think the best approach from it would be is just what? Do you think it's, do you think he needs to be more aggressive here? Do you think he needs to just piece finishes together? I mean, that's like, you know, no, I mean, I think he has to be more aggressive.

Yeah, I do. Don't get pushed around. Yeah, it goes out a little more. Yeah. And you cannot tell a race car driver to drive, to drive, to, try harder. They're all at the limit. Yeah, I know. I always liked that. Hey, man, he a little more from you today. But, but yeah, I think he, he needs to, he needs to put his foot down. He's to have an edge

to him. Yeah, have a little edge to him, which he does. He does a little bit. He can get lost. You can lose him in the story. Every race is an opportunity to stand out and you've got to stand out. And it's harder to stand out. It's harder to be the story in a good way, right? You don't ever want to be the story. How do you stand out if you're not dominating the race? Right. I mean, you've got to find ways to stand out.

Do you ruffle feathers? Do you? You just got to stand out. You know, you just, I don't know what that is or what that really means, but you, the, I think the problem, one thing you got to be careful of is being forgettable. You know, there's drivers. in the field that when you say their name, they elicit no response. Right?

I could say some names from drivers in the field to you, to fans, to anyone in this room, and you would be like, yeah, whatever. I don't know. That does nothing for me. Right. That's what you got to be careful of. Because when you become, it's kind of like falling in the friend zone with the girl, right? You can't let that happen.

You can't become, you can't become forgettable. You can't become unremarkable. And if you just, if you just out there, if what, I think a lot of drivers find themselves in a tough situation with a car that doesn't do what it needs to do, and they just go through the motions. They're trying hard. They're working their ass off. They're seeing no results.

And they continue to do that week in and week out. And it's hard to stand out in that system. sort of scenario. It's hard to shine. Especially at like his position. He's got SVG there. He's got chestane. Yes, but you know what?

Like Ty Dillon is refusing to be unremarkable. Right? He is now. He is. He's taking advantage of this bracket. Yes. He's taken advantage of an opportunity to be memorable and to be more than a filler. And so there's other drivers too. So there's, I guess, one way to sort of shine or be

noticed or be remarkable for a driver who's maybe in a car that's a 20th or 25th place car, not that the 99 is that. I'm just saying when you're in a car that won't do the things you needed to do so that you, a car that you can't put at the front of the field, you got to take a car that lots of people in the industry know isn't great and at least make it a, you know, a 15th place car or a 10th place car. And then I and you, we can all come in here and do and bullshit it all week long about that guy makes this car better. Kurt Busch would get in bad shit, make it run better.

And you saw it. Yep. There's drivers that would get in cars and make them run faster. Ricky Rudd. everywhere Ricky Rudd went he was a Ricky Rudd was not a dominant driver in NASCAR but you know why Ricky Rudd continued to thrive and have people admired him people

people were fans of his because he was fucking tenacious and he never never let anybody push him around and he always took he took the he took the Wood brothers and made that car a competitive race car when it hadn't been that competitive. He would get in cars, and he took the 29 Quaker State car

and made that a winning car. You know, everything that he got in got better, and he was a big reason for that. Hell, he helped turn Richard Childress's program into a winning program that Dad would take over and become, you know, synonymous with, right? And so Ricky Rudd played a major role in helping that,

team develop into what it could be once dad got behind the wheel. And so, you know, that's how you kind of stand out. If you, you know, if you, if you can't stand out, man, it's, it, it's hard, you're less, you know, it's hard to, it's hard to, it's hard to drum up interest and excitement around you. It's hard to weave you into the storyline on Sunday. It's hard to, it's hard to get excited about talking about you and get fans excited. about hearing about you. So, you know, I think he's just, he's, he's in a tough little spot right here, Daniel is, for the rest of the year.

And so that's why I'll be watching because I'm curious. Does he, does he, does he, how does he handle it? Does he find a way to like make a pop, do something where you're like, holy shit, there it is. That's why he's here. How about Larson? So that's another, that's a conversation, too. And everybody's careful about. like everybody's a little careful about this one.

I know what you're saying. Because Larson is, you know, Larson's in the conversation, even today still, as one of the, you know, most talented race car drivers in the world, right? And he hasn't had a reasonable result or a Larson-style performance since Indy.

and maybe coincidental, right? But he's had a couple top fives or had a couple of reasonable runs, but he's just, you know, we're used to seeing Larson, you know, every third race, at least, running in the top two, top three, battling for the win. Lead laps. 35, 13, 17, 7, 36, 581. I was his last.

I mean, I don't see any problem with them. But it's not Larsonish to have that many. but so yeah I mean I just feel uh I just wonder if um is it simply uh the the the the quirkiness of the schedule at this point in the summer because that is absolutely a thing you're right we get in we get into some road courses and some weird tracks polkineau and and and you can't like find a rhythm and and you just can't you know you if they're like you know they're wrote you know and you and you and you get caught up in a wreck that's not your fault on one of the races. Yeah, yeah.

I just think it's coincidence, man. I mean, he's won this race before. Listen, I know that's why nobody's wanting to talk about it because everybody, myself included, thinks he goes to Dover and runs first, second or third. If you told me right now that he won Dover, see the future, I'd be like, I wouldn't be surprised. And if he does, I would still look back since May and say, damn, I thought he should have been there. you know, I thought he, I thought he should have been running up front this weekend.

Could it be as simple as they kind of just missed the setup with the tires? They feel like, I feel like that they're a bit off. I feel like they're a little bit off. That's it. I feel like they're a little bit off. But I think you have a really high standard for that car too. I do. A little bit off is a fifth place.

They've set it. They have that standard for themselves. Do you think they went to the race this weekend and went, yeah, we ran like we should have? No, I think they went there. trying to win the race like everyone. But they've won so much that the standard is high expected like that. I know, it is.

But I don't see any problem with, I don't see a problem with it. He's been caught up in a couple things that probably weren't his fault. I mean, look at past years, how many DNFs, he's, this is Kyle Larson. He does.

He does. Checkers or Wreckers. Yes, he does make a lot of mistakes like that. But. Yeah, he's running really good at Charlotte and busted his ass. Yeah, that's right. I don't know.

And, you know, I think that he won't, he probably wouldn't admit this and he'd probably say I'm wrong. But I think that, you know, he went and tried to run Indy and he said, I got no interest in chasing the double. He might think that all the shit that it requires to do all that sort of has taken his focus away from his Sunday. And he's like, you know what? I don't need it. That month of May and Indy is a long month. I wouldn't want to do it. I mean, I commend him for even doing it twice, trying it.

Well, it feels like to me that it sort of derailed their momentum. And it derailed it at a time where the schedule is challenging. Sure. You don't need any hiccups, right? And it's created a bit of a stretch where they just haven't looked like themselves. Hey, everybody, you want the latest Dale Jr. download apparel? Visit shop.durdymomedia.com. We're always adding new stuff all the time, especially like when we say something silly.

on this show. We'll put it on a t-shirt. Again, check it out at shop.dirtymobedia.com. All right, we got our winner of Sunday's race in Sonoma. This guy's going to, he's a regular here now. Yeah, Shane Van Gisbergen is calling in again this week.

It's been a hell of a few weeks for you. And, you know, you still have a lot of racing left this year. You know, I know you're probably excited about Wachens Glen out there in front. But I bet you're even more excited to actually get back to some ovals where you can continue, you know, to hone that skill.

We got a tough one coming up this weekend with Dover, Concrete. I had some pretty good success there, but also some of the most frustrating days trying to get a hold of that racetrack. You know, what's your expectation this weekend? what's your feelings around Dover because it is such a unique place, high banked one mile concrete oval, really fast, but hard to get a hold of. Yeah, well, firstly, you're right. I'm looking forward to getting back into it.

It's been a nice break doing all these road courses. But yeah, Dover should be good. I struggled there last year. You know, I remember all our caller guys were battling for 20th. You know, we're all battling with our cars. But I had fun. It was an epic track. It was just amazing.

how fast you can go into that corner. It feels like you're dropping. And then all of a sudden you're just loading up and the banking the load around that track and how much grip it has is mind-blowing. So yeah, looking forward to that. Looking forward to Indy too. I ran well there in Xfinity last year.

It was a really fun track. Although it was a restrictor plate. It would be a bit different this year. But yeah, just looking forward to continuing learning, getting back into the challenge and, yeah, trying to get better. What is the biggest challenge? for you. I know I've talked to you before about this, and one of the things that you

mentioned to me was, in practice, you're seeing some of these racetracks for the first time, or you're seeing some of these racetracks for the first time with the next gen, and you get a very limited amount of practice, and you fire off really exploring the racetrack. I know that's probably still something you're working on trying to, you know, hit the racetrack and just be quicker once you're out on the track. But, you know, what are some of the other details around oval racing. We've seen this time and time again when, you know, like Marcus

Ambrose would come into our series or even guys from IndyCar might come or Juan Pablo Montoya from F1. The way you drive a car at an oval is just different. The techniques and even the braking and everything is so different at an oval.

Can you articulate, I guess, what are some of the methods that we, you know, oval racers do that have been hard for you to kind of pick up or adjust to? Well, firstly, probably Dover is, you know, practice will start, and Bristol was sort of the same practice will start, and it'll be just on the bottom, and you'll be running your line as fast as you can, and, you know, doing the qualifying line, just, you know, go and hammer and tong. But yeah, as you said for me, by the time I get up to speed, the peak of the tire's gone, you know, and then you're just trying to learn. But then when you get in the race, all of a sudden the track rubbers up, and it's very graphic to me on concrete. You know, it rubbers up so much, and then all of a sudden the line moves, and you're doing a different line to what you've done before. And this tire, it hates itself.

Like when the rubber goes down, the rubber's bad. Any other series in the world, any other stuff. series in the world the rubber's good you know you're trying to be on the rubber to get the grip and it's amazing the how the track will move up you know the line will move up where the grip will be and whether the cush is it's like a dirt track and then and then you're watching this track just change color and you're trying to find light spots for grip and then the yellow comes out and you know I don't know what what it is or whether the new ties pick up the rubber the track just changes color and the suck will start skinned it's um

Yeah, it's amazing. There's no other series. I've ever been a part of that, does it? How variable the grip is and the track. And it's not just one line the whole time. The line's always changing. You're always trying to find somewhere to find that speed, you know. Absolutely. That's a great way to explain what I think happens at all ovals. You know, I always thought that this was something that was more pronounced at the concrete tracks only because we could literally visually see the rubber get put down, then the rubber be removed from the. track and that cycle begin again at the next restart. But as I got older, I thought, I bet this is happening at even the asphalt tracks. We just aren't able to see the optics of it because of the color of the surface of the racetrack. And so like at a Charlotte or at a place like Kansas, I bet the same thing is going on. It's just harder for you to kind of find where that fresher or less rubbered up asphalt is because of the color of the surface. but um it even happened at sonoma like i could exit 1211 on the inside where there's no rubber

and there was more grip there it's it's odd yeah this tire is whatever it is it's just weird i think it's right the tire hates itself so you're always trying to find the cleanness of the road for the grip and yeah it's hard to see on a normal oval but you can feel it but on concrete you can look around the corner and try and aim for a lighter spot it's it's crazy to me Yeah, absolutely. The past weekend, we saw you and Connor Zillich have another epic battle in the Xfinity race. And I was kind of interested to chat with you a little bit about it. Post race, you come up on the podium for Victory Lane and gave Connor a hard time. but it was a good exchange, you know, and I think you two are developing. You already had pretty heavy respect for each other.

I think now you're starting to develop a friendship, but a real nice, you know, a nice kind of exchange between you two guys post race was good to see. How much of a break did you cut the guy? If it's somebody else that's not a teammate, not a junior motorsports car, how do you change what your decisions are on that last lap? Yeah, yeah, I raced him as a teammate rather than a friend, right? You don't want to – you try not to have friends, but you don't want to wreck your own team's cars. You know, it's – yeah, like if it wasn't a teammate, I probably wouldn't have gone down –

or I wouldn't have gone down the outside at the last corner. You know, that's never going to work. You're never going to drive around the outside of anyone, but, you know, there's no other options, really. The other two options is you just follow him around the corner or you drive into the back of him and push them wide and win the race in it. Even though that would be great, it wouldn't feel good, especially doing that to a teammate, you know? But if it was anyone else in the field,

you'd probably highly consider giving them a little bump, you know? So it definitely did change it. Like turn seven, turn seven, I run into the back of him when he blocked there, which was okay. We both couldn't stop. I pushed him wide and I just waited for him, you know? Like I could have gone. on and probably got in front before the S's, but I didn't want to do it like that, you know.

So we raced each other hard all day and we're giving each other the thumbs up on the stage brakes and stuff. It was fun. It was proper hard racing. And, you know, at the start of each stage, we'd sort of be cruising and managing our stuff and then, you know, you'd feel the intensity pickup. We'd be hanging it out and then, you know, you couldn't see anyone in the mirror. Like it was awesome, the speed advantage we had and really, really fun. I want to ask, I know T.J.'s got a question for you, but I want to ask one real quick. It kind of ties to that. The, um, when you came to race the first race at the Chicago Street course, talking to some

folks back in Australia, where they would tell me that you would, you were going to pass everybody, even as the race is playing out, they're telling me, watch him, he's going to pass these people. He won't put a bumper on him. He won't touch them. He'll pass them completely clean. and that that was now I know that there's there's contact in V8 Supercar

I know there's con I know there's aggression in that series but your your I guess the way you were brought up as a racer was to do it as cleanly as possible now that you've been in NASCAR for a couple years

do you think you have to adapt do you think you need to change how you race the guys in NASCAR have you needed to become more aggressive

think about that you know that race at Cota the first time you went to Cota and all hell broke loose down there in turn one on the late restart and I think you came out of that while like these guys are animals

you know this is I've never experienced anything like that so have you had to like adjust what your etiquette is what you're comfortable doing in those scenarios yeah yes and no and then you learn other drivers right Like, you know that guy who did that at Coda, the 21 car. He'd do that every day, even to his grandma, probably, you know,

but racing against Chase Briscoe on the weekend, he's someone I know is going to race me hard and push things to the limit, but he's not just going to spin me out for no reason. But, you know, if the 77 was behind me on the last restart, I'm shitting myself, you know. So it's very specific, very specific who it is. And I like to race people with respect because most guys will do. it back to you know um and and that's the reputation you want to build as a i want to be known as hard and aggressive but also fair you know i don't want to be just hitting people for no reason and

i hope people race me back the same way yeah that's kind of what i was going to ask is the etiquette the same because i don't know if was the etiquette supercars is like i feel like it's cleaner there than it would have been over here yeah yeah it's cleaner but you have a judge you know who's dishing out penalties and it was very inconsistent you never know where you stood and you know if you're in the midpack and someone hit you it wouldn't get seen so that'd get away with it you know and then when you go to pay them back they might be seen and you get a penalty so yeah it was always a blurry line there whereas hair it's pretty cut and dry you know you just what do you think's better you just can't put anyone in the grandstand but you can do whatever

else you like and get away with it what do you prefer I prefer this way, you know, because you build more respect between your competitors and you just sort it out yourselves. But also, I understand, we probably couldn't do it at home because you don't race enough and cars are more expensive. You know, you don't have five cars in the shop waiting for you. You know, it's the same car all year. So you probably couldn't race like that down there. But I think here it works very well and it polices itself very well. Yeah.

You and Scott had some great battles back in the day there. I mean some great battles. Yeah, that was, you know, but they were all, there was nothing ever intentional there. He spun me out once on purpose at Eastern Creek, but the rest of them, racing was really, really good. Yeah, it was. Man, you're always a fun interview, and it's awesome to be able to talk to you. Thanks for giving us a little time today.

You know you got a busy week. Good luck in Dover. We'll see at the racetrack. Thank you, guys. See you there. Hey, everybody, it's Jr., and we're here for another segment. of Ask Junior presented by Xfinity. Thank you, Xfinity Wi-Fi for your booming speeds.

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Yeah, this first one, Travis and I have been joking. We've been meeting to ask this question for like weeks and weeks and weeks. But I actually ran into someone in the gift shop after one of the beer toasts because they got to listen in through the viewing area. And they heard you had a story about an estate sale find. And they could hear, but they couldn't really hear, but I hear it's a good story. Well, a friend of mine who is into sort of tracking the estate sales in the area showed me that there was an estate sale local that had a Ralph Earnhardt autograph. Oh. And there were some other autographs as well in this sort of package.

You could buy the sort of the thing, all of it together. And I don't know what a Ralph Earnhardt autograph would be valued at, but it was a, I mean, you know, he passed away in 73. I would say this autograph was probably from anywhere from 70 or 69 to 73 right before his death. The car on the picture that is autographed is a Camaro, which I think he raced in 71, 72 maybe, at Metroline and Concord. And so I was like, shoot, man. I got a, there's not many Ralph Earnhardt autographs out there. There aren't.

And I've, I'd already have, I already have one or two Ralph Earnhardt autographs that I've collected over the years. And so I bought, I went in and made some bids and got it. Dang. And I got it for a really good price, I thought. This next question,

and this is the account's name, not today I won't. That's the name of the account. They want to know, do you have a favorite Adam Petty or David, Allison's story. Yeah, the, my Davey,

I don't really have a Davey Allison's, well, I think I told this one, back when we had Brad Means, my friend, Jimmy Means son on as a guest, we hid

Davey Allison's jacket in the return of the HVAC. So we were hanging out in the driver's lounge at North Wilson, being kids, just goofing off. Davey Allison come in there to use the bathroom.

He took his jacket off and laid it on the couch or something, right? Just threw it over the back of the couch and he goes into the bathroom. We took his jacket and hit it in the return. And then when he came out, he's like, we're just hanging

out, you know, me and Brad and a couple other guys and we're like 12, 14 years old and we're just kind of, you know, what's up, baby? And he's looking around, man, I had a jacket. And he's like, where is it? And we're all like, damn it.

We didn't have a plan for this part. And so one of us had to, one of us probably me, had to go over to the return and get it out. And then he was like, damn it, this thing's dirty. He wasn't too mad. And the other thing I'll say is when Kelly was young, she had a crush on Davey. Oh. And I used to always pick on her Because when she would get around Davies

She would get all giggly And then with Adam One of my Adam and I had some We got to talk a lot The brief time that I got to race around him When he gets up to Xfinity series and so forth We went to, we were at South Boston

And for some reason I had either I don't know how this happened but I needed shoes I can't imagine that I forgot my shoes or lost them I've been there

but we were I needed some racing shoes and I just happened to run into Adam and I was like man what size shoe are you I need some shoes do you have a pair of shoes and he's like I'm a size 11 it's like perfect I was like he's like I got an extra pair and he brought me a pair

of red shoes that he you know that perfect so um I raced in those and I won the race oh at South Boston that's cool yeah and so I think it was 99 was the year yeah in the Xfinity or the Bush series and so I just stuck them in my I stuck them in my closet when I lived across street from DEI and when we did I think MTV Cribs if you watch that episode of Cribs we go into my closet and I take those shoes down and I show them shoes to you

in that in that episode so he let you let you keep them then oh I kept them yeah yeah they were I don't think they were brand new I think they were used so like he drove in them and then I put them on and I raced in them and I wore them just that weekend I'm sure they were his backups yeah yeah

do you still have them I'm certain yeah that's awesome yeah Um, this next question is from Daniel. You know, we were talking, we were on a roll last week talking about the Josh Snyder stories and picking TJ up from, uh, Buffalo. They want to know TJ, was there any prank that you wanted to pull on Dale, but never did? There's a lot of pranks that didn't, that didn't get done. Did y'all, have y'all seen this clip on social media about, uh, that kicks Brooks, Brooks and Dunn? Oh, we do have a question about that.

Lord, that's awesome. Well, I mean, speaking of pranks. Yeah, that was... I don't think T.J. has a great answer. So... Well, there's a couple, but I don't want to give them away. What are they? Well, we were literally, we had, we were going to put a Jolly Rancher in your shower head.

That was one. What is it? What would that even do? Just get you sticky all over? Yeah. For a while until it goes away. Okay, and then you take it out and take a shower. Well, you don't know what's in there.

Yeah, but yeah, you wouldn't know. You don't know what's in there. I feel like how many times, how many showers you think you would take for you to realize. I wonder if that really works. one way to find out yeah yeah tell it this is bad

this is rough so you can go look at it I mean and most people that are watching this probably may have already seen it but Brooks I think Marty McGee

yeah had a conversation with Brooks and Dunn and and kicks Brooks both of them I think are on the boat they're fishing

out in the ocean they got their wives it's a big deal dad had probably about a 50 foot boat or something that he takes out there and they're fishing and they're uh he's kicks Brooks is telling the story about how kicks is tired of fishing they caught a lot of fish he's just like I'm ready to drink some beer I'm done but they they hooked a sailfish and dad's like get your ass out of here and they reel it in and dad's all excited it's a pretty cool story and then uh they bring the fish in take photos

do all the stuff and then for some reason they're throwing a bunch of chum into the water and dad and some turtles are swimming around the boat and dad's like, Kix, come over here, look at these turtles. And Kix is like, oh yeah, I do want to see the turtles and gets over to the rail. And dad grabs him by his pants and throws

him into the chum and then tells the Captain Terry, who I remember Captain Terry, all right, drive away. And they drove away with Kix's wife going, what are we doing? And Kix is in there like, try not to splash. He's just like, don't move.

Because there's blood in the water and I think he said it was shark infested? Yeah. And they drove away. They drove away. I know. Right?

Oh my gosh. Like what if something really did happen? Holy shit. Brooks and done. Yeah. Brickson done. Damn. Like that's a

that's serious. That's not a prank. That's just mean. That's some bull's dead. I mean, if that's story is absolutely true as told. I would be furious.

James goes attempted murder. Yes! We haven't went that far. That's pretty harsh. And he said the boat got far enough away to we're like, you can barely see it. And then it became funny to turn around. He's embellishing some. The fishing story's getting

a little. Yes, right. I mean, let's be serious here. It's still a criminal offense. But you know, I remember I remember one time there was an individual that was a tire

he was the tire changer he was a very good tire changer dad's team had just hired him to change tires on the Xfinity car this was in the early 90s and his nickname was Yankee Scott Kaluca was his name

awesome guy and he would eventually become a tire changer on the cup car. But I remember his like path to like becoming the changer on the Xfinity car, earning everybody's respect, getting called up, you know, like a major league baseball guy to the cup team and how big a deal that was and how much better dad's team got on pit road because of it. But when he first came, he was really a smart ass. and young guy around Tony's senior dad

all these gruffy old veterans that knew everything and he come in there running his mouth and being a smart ass and I remember I don't know how this happened but dad had dad was in the parking lot shooting his bow and arrow his compound bow for deer hunting

and at some point some Scott showed Kaluca showed up and he's being his smart-ass self and said something. And dad's like, whatever dad said or did, Scott turned and took off running across the parking lot. And dad fired an arrow about eight foot over his head. Oh, my God.

And, yeah. And dad told him he was going to shoot at him. Jeez. Well, it's okay then. Yeah. That's, look, the details are sketchy, a little fuzzy. and then there was another time where there was a guy

there was a guy as a carpenter his name's Todd and Todd's an amazing carpenter long time employee at Dillon Hart Corporation and dad loved him and Todd built dad's log cabin single handedly I went in there and helped him a little bit with some stuff in some of the closets

and did a little work but that guy was down there every day building that thing on his own he had a woodworking shop there didn't he eventually would end up getting a woodworking shop in DEI. And like he was a main figure. And dad leaned on him and he's still around. I still talked to him. He loved Fords.

Dad didn't love Fords. We were Chevy people. But Todd wanted to streetstock race. He had raced some street stock stuff in his past. And we, I mean, just coincidentally, me and Carrier building a street stock. And so right out at the district. Deerhead shop, that was really the only thing around in the property back then was the deerhead shop. The garage mahal wasn't built yet. We would get our streetstocks out of the barn. Todd had a Ford

Thunderbird, Big Box, 83, 84, 3rd Thunderbird. And I had, me and Kerry had a little Monte Carlo, same to eight Monte Carlo. And we'd pull them street stocks over there and we'd start working on them. We're getting them ready. We're building them. We're not racing them yet. Todd's in the, in his car, tacking in the firewall for the back. So big old sheet of tin, he's tacking it into the back of this car, covering up all the holes in the back of the car. And he's in the interior.

And dad had been out on his farm, and he walked around with a six-shooter on his hip. So he had a shot, had a pistol on his hip at all times when he was out on his farm. And so it's probably five o'clock. Everybody's starting to converge on the deerhead shop. There's going to be beer drinking and pizza

and Bullshit and the Tony Senior and them been working on the Xfinity cars for Jeff Green or somebody whoever was driving

the cars at the time and so we get our street stocks out it's after 5 o'clock and we can work on them and Todd's working on his and I'm working on mine with Kerry and dad walks by

and we had we're building the cars dad walks by pulls his gun shoots a hole through the quarter panel of this Ford

the bullet goes through the quarter panel and through the fuel cell and it scares it out of all of us and dad says you need to get a you gotta get a racing fuel cell so now you can't he's like he's like it's dangerous to run this stock

fuel cell and I've now fired a hole in it so you can't use it I want you to put a good fuel cell in these cars so you guys don't get burned up you know and safety first yeah safety first Brilliant. It was loud.

Well, yeah, it's a gunshot. Just shot at it. Just shot a hole right through the quarter panel. And so Todd raced that car with a bullet hole in the quarter panel. That's badass. It was awesome. That is badass.

I raced that Ford once. Oh, yeah? Yeah. I was a year after this, I moved on and was racing my late model stock car with Gary Hargett down in Myrtle Beach. We had an off weekend. I was up at the farm shop.

Oh, like a frown. Friday and Todd's messing around and I'm like you going on streetside racing this weekend I don't feel like it I'm like can I take your car he's like I was like can't believe you're not going to go he's like yeah you can take it and so I loaded it up and I take it and I'm practicing and it's things it's pretty simple to drive and we all drew for position we didn't even qualify and Kelly's in the race Kelly's in our old car she's driving this old tour up Monte Carlo me and Kerry's destroyed. Kevin Pennell, two beer.

He's in the race. He starts in front of me, two beer. Yeah. Two beer drove a purple. Nova, number four. Purple with a white four on it. Green flag, two beer missed a shift, and I knocked the radiator out of this Ford.

Geez. First damn thing. Like, I didn't even get to run the race. Todd ran really good in it. Todd would run top three. And it drove. You were looking forward to it. It drove really good, yeah.

Yeah. And I'm like, hell yeah, here we go. And damn, got the green flag. and Two Bear didn't go. And I just drove through him. You just weren't meant to drive a Ford. Right. Two beer had that damn shifting problem we sometimes see in the cars tour.

On a restart. We were putting a radiator. We were taking our radiators to Alton Boyd's. Yeah. Outon Boyd's, uh, whose tab is his son, the spotter that was recently in the news. Um, well, his dad owned a radiator shop in Canapolis. And that's where we always take our radiators back in the

the 90s that we raced our streets out cars. Dude, we had the radiator. Me and Carrie would take the radiator out of our Monte Carlo every week having to fix a hole in that sunbitch because we knocked a damn nose off of that car every race. Me and Carrie tore that Monte Carlo all to hell. And then, I mean, the front horns on it were bent left and right so many times and pulled straight. And then, you know, the radiator was all gobbled up with like welding and glue.

and all kinds of patchwork from we're like you know Alton's like I can fix it all right keep fixing it you know all right I can fix it I mean we're waiting on him to tell us like all right you need a new one yeah you need a new one and then Kelly was the force to drive this thing like when she wanted to start racing they were like all right you get to drive the Monte Carlo and there's pictures of her driving her first race and this thing looks like it has been through a war zone that Monte Carlo is still sitting on the property over at DEI Wow. Out by a shop, I believe.

I wonder if there's some Google Earth shots or something of it sitting beside this. Oh, so it's like outside? It's outside, yeah. Dang. Yeah. I'd love to have that car, but, you know. What kind of condition you think it's? Oh, it's terrible.

Yeah. Already to begin with. And then you leave outside. But I mean, it's into, it's in the condition it deserves to be in. Right. Yeah. You wouldn't restore it or anything. You'd just love to have it because it's like me and Kerry learned everything about

trying to get around a corner in that very car. That was like the real first race car we raced. Man, we would burn up the, we took that car, we built it. We didn't know what the hell we were doing. And we rebuilt the, it had like a 283, not even a really great motor in it. We rebuilt that motor, blew that motor up in the first race, and had to get it, had to build another motor. We would burn the wheelbarons up every week. We didn't know why.

Dad wouldn't say, hey, you might want to get a spindle off of a Cadillac or something else that was a little beefy, for the right front. And we would burn up the wheelbarrants and go to the damn junkyard and climb under some old rat-infested, snake-infested car that'd been sitting in this graveyard forever with our little tiny toolbox and get a damn spindle off of the car. We'd pull springs. We had a junkyard sponsorship.

And we'd get all this stuff, and we'd get ball joints or lowers and uppers, because we're bending all this shit every week. And we'd go to the junkyard and get a replacement part and get another part. and we'd come back and, you know, we'd fix it and put it together. And dad was never there going, you might want to think about doing it this way or might want to do it this way.

You know, he wanted us to just screw up, right, and figure it out, right? And, man, it was fun. That's a good place to rap as Junior. By the way, kicks Brooks, I think would be awesome if we could get them on the download. We're going to. Oh, yeah. I mean, that's, he's on our list. Yeah.

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What sport is right around the corner? College football. College football. Like 40 days away. 40 days. Something like that. All right. I still have the big advantage that I gained

when we coincidentally went on a trip to Key West, us to us three. And all that good fortune I had with the college basketball, still sitting on it. I ain't bet none of it. Same. Good. I haven't made much bets this summer.

It's a good thing you can't bet NASCAR because your manufacturer parley suck. No shit, man. This is embarrassing. This one was bad. How bad was bad? So our manufacturer, our manufacturer parley. What's a FARCher?

Farkshire. Manufacture parley. That's a big word, dude. You say it. Manufacture parley? Manufacture parley. Reddick. Was he the third Toyota?

Yeah, he didn't run that great. Busher, the fifth forward. What's up of that? He got shipped off at the end. McDowell, the third Chevy McDowell wasn't strong as I thought he was going to be. We got to turn this shit around.

We do. All right. Time to start throwing some darts. No, we've been throwing darts apparently. How did you guys not pick SVG last week? We said on the show that McDowell for the odds, but I think we didn't say it,

but we also... We're not doing this right. No. SVG was a layup for Chevy. Making our fucking... Making ourselves look like what you're fucking idiot. You know what we're doing? We're not betting how you did with.

basketball. Yeah. Your basketball plays for money. Yes, they were. All right. So we're going to head to Dover.

The favorites, according to Vegas, are Hamelin and Larson at plus 500. Blaney plus 700. Byron and Bell. Bell's at 1,000. What does the model

look like, Russ? Danny Larson, Chase Elliott, Byron, Blaney, Bell. So where do you have Chase Elliott in the odds? Where were they?

He's plus 1,200 right now. That is, let's see sixth. I like him the best this week. He's not the favorite though. I don't think he's the favorite.

We are we're sort of so who's your favorite this week? Hard to go against a Bell or Larson right now. TJ who does this track? Who does it favor? Where are some drivers?

Larsen, Bell, Blaney. Those guys are all really good here. I'm curious. I'm curious the 19's been fast here. and I'm curious if Risco can carry that. He seems to be gaining a little momentum here lately. So I'm not saying he's going to be the top guy,

but I bet his odds are pretty good. We're not going to overthink this, all right? Our parlay for the manufacturer this weekend. Blaney Bell. Blaney, Larson. Denny. Bell. Oh, Jesus.

What about Denny? Bell over Danny? What about you? Y'all think Denny? I think Danny's concrete king right now. I know. That's what I think. Listen, we're not overthinking it.

We're going Denny, Larson. Blaney. Anybody worried about Larson's speed for last month or so? We're not overthinking this. No? Can we do it? I'm just saying. I'm just saying he's kind of sucked.

I like Chase. Can we do a long shot? I'm on the Chase Salli. I'm with Ross. I like Chase Salli a little better. I don't. I agree that Larson hasn't looked like himself. I do.

But I still ain't seen enough out of Chase. He's been consistent. What do you mean you haven't seen enough out of him? I ain't seen enough. What have you, what, tell me what you see. Has he finished outside the top 20? I see him second in the fucking points.

I think Byron beats Chase Elliott this weekend, much less Larson. I was going to say Chase and Bowman are my top 200 guys this week. Bowman will run, Bowman will be, Bowman will be the second or third. Yeah. Second or third HMS car all day,

but be the one that gets the result. This is a Larson track. It'll be the one that gets that fourth, fifth, sixth place finish. But, you know, if everything goes like it's supposed to, Larson should run top two, top three in this race. This is his type of track. Yes. Absolutely.

Larson, I'm not going to fall into this. Listen, I agree. No, I agree with you. I agree with you, Thames, that Larson has looked not good, not good for a while since. His average finish since the ND 500 is 20th. Yes. There's no, you can't argue that. And it is a problem, and no one's talking about it.

But three of them are road courses. I agree with that. I mean, you got some odd balls in there, so it's not fair. That's the argument, is that it's this quirky part of the season where the chase, you know, chasing the double, knocked him off his game, derailed their focus, or, you know, just got them off their rhythm, right? Yeah. And the schedule hasn't allowed them to reestablish. And here's the weekend where you believe that they mash the button. Okay.

And he's right back where he belongs. And I'm going to buy into that idea. I'm not, you can't, as much as I want to think, man, everything's telling me that Larson continues to struggle. Everything's telling me that he goes here and runs night all day. Everything's telling me that. But I don't want to be the fool sitting on the island. Because, you know, everyone else, no one else is wanting to say this. No one else is willing to say that Larson's going to go run 10th and just be normal.

Because at the end of the day when he runs second, third, or fourth, or wins the race, they're going to go, ah, you talk to shit. Well, that's the thing. He's either going to win or finish second or finish 10th 1112. And then everybody's going to go, yeah, y'all are all over him. What do you think now? You know, that's what they do. But those bad finishes they have. They sit back and play Monday morning quarterback.

They did. That's easy to do. That's fun. Yeah. Those bad finishes. Wasn't he just caught up in a wreck? What about Denny? He comes out of Sonoma

stinking up the show. Yeah, where's the hate on Denny? Where's the hate on Denny? What leads me to believe that he's going to be this concrete king? Because it's a fucking O-Fle. Oh, because he's Denny. Denny Bro. We're talking to Denny Bros.

He won there last year. He's let the book back there last year. Doesn't matter. He's struggling. Struggle bus. What do you mean? Where's he struggling? He just ran bad at Sonoma.

His last two races, average finishes 12th. Russell. What were those statistics? He's finished top five. and four the last six races, all but Atlanta and Sonoma. Suck it, TJ. Love it. Let's go. I love the Denny pick.

I do too. Denny. Welcome aboard, boys. Larsen. Now, sell me on Blaney. Blaney was seventh and third in the last two Dover races. Average running position in the next gen car, eighth. I just don't think, it doesn't sound great,

but your other options for a Ford driver, this is not a great Ford track for them. So, like. All right. I agree. Blaney will finish either top five or get wrecked. Yeah, that's... That's reassuring. But what other Ford driver are we going to pick right now?

Like, Lugano really struggles at this track. He does. What's the deal? Why is he struggle so bad here? His average finish in this car here is 25th. Yeah. Holy cow. I would throw Preece just because it's RFK car and he's been running good. I had no stats to back that up.

I trust Blaney more, but I would throw Preece. Priese is maybe my second. That would be the choice we would have made using our prior thought process so we're not going to choose, Priest. We're going Blaney.

I like Blaney. But for a long shot, you could have a long shot. I'd play that separately maybe. Priest's top ten? Priest top ten, yeah, that's on a list. I think Chase Briscoe is going to be really good. Chase Briscoe, watch out, Chase Briscoe.

I think he's going to be good. All right. Do you think it's a matter of him just figuring out this Toyota car that's just taking him some time? Figured it out. I think he has. I think it's there.

I think he's there. It's going to qualify. And they've got, they've got some weird momentum. I know it's kind of, the schedule's been shitty and it's hard to like take what they've done since Pocono and move it forward to a dover because it's such a different track. But it feels like it could continue.

It does. He could blow up our fucking manufacturer parley. You probably would. I will call, I will text him and say finish behind Vinnie. Let's, let's talk about some drivers. for some top tens or long shots. You mentioned priests.

Another driver that I kind of like here in a possible top 10 rebound is Josh Barry. Yes, he's on my list too. Good number. I think he needs it. He had some good runs. You know, he ran the Spire Car here

years ago, and that's why I think, like, Chastain had a really, really solid run a long time ago in a Premier car, I think of number 15. I remember being in that facing going, who is this guy? And so, anytime a driver goes and goes to a track and runs well the very first time they compete there, they seem to like attach to that for some reason,

and it just repeats. Yeah, it's weird how that works. And so, like, Texas was at track for me. And, you know, so I see, I see this kind of being a place where if Josh Barry has a decade-long career, I think his numbers at Dover will be probably for him top two, top three numbers. Nice. I like that.

He's on my list. Yeah. Who else? What about Ricky? I mean, he's not running great, but he's good here. Yeah. Bowman, yeah.

Whoa, whoa, whoa. Say that again? This week. I couldn't hear you. Say it again? Man. Yeah, no, I think Bowman's an easy top 10.

This is probably, you could say this is his best track. He's got five top fives here, most of any track. He's been top 10 in like six of the last seven here, I believe, and then he was collected in an accident like can you bet top 15s or just top 10s? No, top 10s, top 5s, top 3s. I'll tell you. I just, I feel like that Josh Barry deals, he's going to, you're going to bet that top 10, he's going to get you an 11th or 12th. Bowman though. I mean, I see a bad day for him as an eighth-night-place finish here. So I think he's a secure top 10. All right. This Dirty Mode segment was brought to you by Fandu,

the premier gaming destination of the United States. Thank you, Russell. Thank you, Tampa Timms. Now, it's time for the white flag here at the Dell Jr. Down low. The tear down was live on YouTube and Twitter following the race. Doorb Upper Clear dropped on Monday. They were joined by Michael McDow. And action is detrimental also dropped that same day.

My guest interview drops tomorrow. It's going to be a little different for the Becoming Earnhardt series that we've been releasing every Sunday. We had Doug Richard for a long. in-depth interview. We took some of the sound bites out of that interview to help with the series Becoming Earnhardt. Well, now we're going to publish the entire conversation, so you can hear more from Doug about that 1980 season. Becoming Earnhardt is all available now, all six episodes, so you can tune up and listen to that if you haven't. It's an incredible series that highlights a lot of the drama

that unfolded during the championship run for that number two Austerlund team that Doug was a part of. also dropping on Wednesday is Speed Street and Herman Schrader and then another episode of Bless Your Heart Amy joined me in Sonoma this past weekend we'll have a lot of updates around that so it should be a lot of fun thank you for tuning in we'll see you tomorrow