Determined Society with Shawn French | Adversity & Mindset - 10X Elena Cardone: Empire Builder, Grant Cardone Foundation, and Family First

Episode Date: July 7, 2025

In this powerhouse episode of The Determined Society, Elena Cardone—entrepreneur, author, and co-founder of the Grant Cardone Empire—joins Shawn to go deep on what it really takes to build a global legacy. From surviving financial collapse in 2008 to planning billion-dollar exits, Elena opens up about the hard-won lessons behind Cardone Capital, the 10X Ladies movement, and her family-first approach to business. She explains the game-changing distinction between suppressive and supportive people, how she and Grant rebuilt their relationship into a business dynasty, and what’s next—including going public, expanding 10X Health, and scaling philanthropic initiatives through the Grant Cardone Foundation. This episode is for anyone ready to scale up, level up, and lead with purpose. Elena doesn't just preach empowerment—she lives it. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

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Shoot me. I have interest in my husband. If I didn't, why am I marrying him? Duh, no-brainer, I have to apologize for that. If I'm the support beam for Grant and everything that he's gotten going on, wouldn't I have to be stronger than the thing I'm supporting? So you mean to me, I have to apologize for being in the support role when everyone knows I'm the freaking shun. strongest in the freaking empire. I don't need validation from anybody else to know what I know and who I am and what I am. I want to dive in to and peel the layers back on that point in 2008 because I don't,

I want to get to 10x ladies. That's coming up soon. I'm jacked up about it. It's the last one. I do want to touch on that. But I want the listeners and the audience that is watching this is is to really understand how as a married couple you can come together in the darkest moments when you're about to lose everything, get on the same team and go dominate because that's what you guys did. That to me, Elena, is a massive message, especially in the standpoint of one of your biggest verticals is keeping the family together, right? And that's what you guys had to do in the moments of despair. You were no different than someone right now that can't pay their rent, can't pay their car payment, can't do a lot of different things.

And they're sitting there letting the enemy win because they're fighting and getting divorces. Walk us through it. That's right. That's right. And that's where I was, you know, back in 2008. I may have been in even a worse place because I had the mentality. I was living in L.A., never depend on a man for anything. And how horrible it is to support your partner.

that's codependent and all this other this other stuff. And, you know, I was confronted when we were losing about, again, about to lose everything, I'm pregnant with our first child. And then all of the sudden I was like, why am I fighting him? Why can't I depend on the man I've been married to for four years? Why? Okay, call me codependent. I depend on him. You do your freaking job, dude, because that's what I signed up for. I could do this all by myself. I did. I got married at 30. from 17 to 30, I was taking care of myself. Like, what is the point of you? You know, obviously love and monogamy, but what is the point beyond that?

Like, for life, like, are we going to create a family? The point is to reach a heightened level of success and where are we going? And how do I help you achieve your goals and your dreams? Because if I do that, you're loving me forever. And if you help me achieve my goals and my dreams, I'm loving you forever. And then if we're doing that together as a couple, as our couple's goals, dude, we're untouchable. And so it took my thought process, you know, almost a breaking point in 2008 where I said, you know what, I'm done with being an independent, powerful woman.

I don't care what female feminist comes after me for supporting a man. By the way, support means to show active interest in the success of, shoot me. I have interest in my husband. didn't, why am I marrying him? I'm not interested in his failure. I'm not interested in my failure. Duh, no-brainer. I have to apologize for that. Second definition of support that I love is to bear the weight of. And the example they use is a support beam. So if I'm the support beam for Grant and everything that he's gotten going on, wouldn't I have to be stronger than the thing I'm supporting? So you mean...

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Message privately with everyone. Learn more at WhatsApp.com. To me, I have to apologize for being in the support role when everyone knows I'm the freaking strongest in the freaking empire, I don't need validation from anybody else to know what I know and who I am and what I am. At that point, I let it all go and I said, you know what, I'm all in on us, Grant. Who are we as a couple? Where are we going to go? I could look back on this and have egg on my face.

He could whatever this, that. And I looked at my life and I said, I'm not a victim. You know, nothing can happen to me. If it happens to me, I can land. on my own feet. I prove that to myself. I'm like, okay, what's the worst thing that could happen? I could be embarrassed. So I've been there, done that. I'm going to win. So I went all in. Find the one you trust and build an empire. And it panned out for me and we're working. But we never could have done it had we not figured out our roles. And he leaves me the heck alone. And it also prevents me

from having to go boss his role because I'm trying to keep my roles like operating at 100%. That's That's the other thing. We don't do 50-50. We do 100, 100. So, you know, so we have a better chance of crushing the enemy than it does of us, you know, being. I admire that. I really truly do because I can look at everything you're saying. And it's also he's very supportive of you.

You know, the reciprocity is very high in your relationship, right? And it's very easy to see that, right? to a point where you guys are both working so hard, supporting each other, being there, both want each other to win because of both of you win at a very high level, the world wins. It's not a very hard concept, right? But I think there's a lot of struggle at times with wanting to be right in a relationship, wanting to be right in a marriage, and wanting to be the one is the end all, be all. You know, when I look at you guys

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is the thing that I admire the most is that you guys are doing this shit together. And that is one thing my wife and I are building because you guys do it together. I want to do this stuff with my wife because I want us both to be on the same page. We know what we're building here too, right? Like we know. So me and my team, we know exactly what this is going to look like in three to five years. And I'm sorry, I believe in collapsing timelines. I believe in all this kind of things.

Like, it's already happened. time is just catching up right that's why when people say oh this looked familiar it was a dream is d'adivu no it is your timeline collapsing you've already been there now you're that person that is living that reality so now keep going so you can get to that next reality people are going to think i'm cuckoo of it but i don't care don't care right so listen we'll talk about 10x ladies it's the last one your your panel is insane right jillian michaels right you're you're You have Riley Gaines coming. You have a lot of Cardone Ventures people.

You're speaking. Grant speaking. Like, talk to me about this. Talk to everybody about how important it is to go to this very last 10x ladies summit in August 15th through 16th, correct? Yes. Yeah. So let's talk about that. It's been such an incredible process doing 10x ladies.

And it's about a thousand women that come together. And again, they're like-minded women. And people have, you know, major decisions are made at major events. And the women have left here and our events, not only with a network of women that they bonded with that are like friends for life after this. They support each other in business and in their network. But they also, so there's a mind shift change. There's networking. And they really leave with applicable tools.

This isn't just, oh, we're going to be women in lovey-dovey-hoity-to-y. crystals, whatever. We don't, we don't do that here. And that's fine. And I really don't want to diss on the crystals, but that's not what we're doing here. That's for other type of events. This is applicable data. How do you walk away and know how to market for your business, how to brand, how to own? How do you walk away from this event and know how to have a relationship better with your partner? How do you walk away from here and know how to treat your children differently to get a better result where you're all on the same team. How do you leave here and be able to do this better with your money and finances and understand more? So this is applicable data that you leave with

to actually be able to change the trajectory of your life. And men show up too. And they're like, this is incredible. It doesn't feel like, like, you know, it's a women's only event because everything was so important and valuable for them as well. So it's, it's, it's really a special, special event. And I feel that, right? And I get that, I get that energy because there's so many conferences out there or events that people can go to. And it's a lot of raw, raw, you feel good in the moment. And everybody feels awesome that that motivation is sitting there present in their soul at that time. but you're going to walk out that room and you're going to get on an airplane and you know something's going to happen at home and you're going to quickly lose that motivation to do anything so when people

are investing in conferences like 10x ladies it needs to be something that you are you're going to give actual tangible things that can help them grow their branding become a better have a better relationship with your spouse and then you know how to market your brand and be successful tangible things to take away are much more, much more valuable than like, you can do it, buddy. You can do it. Just work hard. Yeah. Grind it out of here with that.

I'm not, I'm not a motivation person. I'm, you know, I'm a discipline person. And that's going to win every single time. It's one of the biggest tools that we use. But you're right. You know, the four pillars of what it is to be 10x is the mindset. Because, you know, you've got to have them all. working if one fails it's it's it's out you know um it's mindset money relationships and

health and wellness and and that also goes with the the manifestation how manifestation isn't just like think think think and it shows up no you're missing the key component manifest means to make visible by the bare eye it means make known it means to see that's actually what manifestation means some people have a misunderstanding on that word. So how do you actually make it materialize, get it out from the concept of your head, which I'm all for you, like it's already happened. You're just collapsing time. I call that living from the future to the present rather than the past because I'm always

living from the future. So I love that concept. But the key that's going to really connect from who you are now to who you're supposed to become and what you're supposed to have is the do. It's B, your beingness now, be that your future self. Don't be stupid. Don't spend money you don't have because you tell yourself you're a billionaire because billionaires are not stupid with money and they would never do that.

They don't make those mistakes with money. But the beingness of the mindset of, oh, you lost that, you lost that account and it's killing you and it's crushing you, but your future self is a billionaire. Would you look back at that moment and go, that really affected me? I'm glad I curled up in a ball over that. incident? No, you would say, I don't care. I'm already billionaire. That mindset. Okay, I lost that. Now I have to make 50 more calls and do more outflow. It's the doingness from the B to the have, the picture you want, connects the bridge by the do. So you be now, then you do, and then you have. That's how you

collapse the time. Be, do have. And so that's really just some of the takeaways that these 10x ladies really leave with, with understanding the importance of intentional choices in their life and awareness so that they can actually create a target that they can really hone in on to see, am I hitting the target? Am I missing? How do I have to adjust my sights to be able to hit? But if you don't have the target, you don't know you're in a game, you're going to continue to get more of the same. Rinse takes your laundry and hand delivers it to your door, expertly cleaned and folded. So you could take the time once spent folding and sorting and waiting to finally pursue a

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We'll take the laundry. Prince, it's time to be great. You're hitting so many different things from my past right now. So we talk about manifestation, okay? So let me address that first, all right? I believe the secret was a great movie. It was a great, you know, peek behind the curtain of what manifestation could be, right? But it left out the due part, right?

It left out the due part. So everybody's sitting there thinking like, well, I'm going to read, I'm going to watch the secret. I'm going to read the book. And I'm just going to make this vision board. and a Ferrari is going to show up in my driveway. Like, y'all, that's not really what it is. Like, they left out 50% of that. And they had to.

And I'm not knocking the secret. I'm not. You have to leave a little bit to be desired and to understand. I am totally knocking it. I was so upset because it's, you know, the one thing that I disagree with is, you know, giving someone false illusions and false hope. And that's what that did.

And it was false data because it was missing data. And that doesn't help people. You know what that does? That key, it, it upsets people. It makes them introverted into their head. Why can everyone else do it? And I can't. I must be a failure.

And it makes them more stuck into their past failures of, I'm no good. I'm this. Everybody else can have. I can't have. It's, that is not a positive effect. That's not making a difference for the better. because that is not how it works. And everyone who has made it manifest will tell you that that is not what it took for them to get there.

It's a lie. I don't like lies. I don't mind imperfection and not being perfect because I don't believe that exists either. But I don't like, I don't like lies. I really don't think so I am against that one. I'm just going to go on the record there. I love it. I love it.

Great. you did my dirty work for me. I appreciate that. Thank you. It's all Elena. You know. It's all her. Yeah.

But, you know, it's just one of those things where, you know, one of the main things, I took this seminar way back in 0708. It was called PSI seminars. And one of the things that we talked about was B-Doo have. And then you just said those three words. I'm like, maybe that. What's PSI? It's that was a seminar.

I don't even know if it's still. but like, you know, you'd go and do basic there and you'd be in a room for three or four days. You get in touch with just who you are. Like at the time, I'm like, wait a second, is this a cult? Like, what the hell is going on here? And then I went to a ranch for 10 days and just did things to get out of my fear. Like, there's a thing about hanging over a cliff and like you're strapped in. But those moments like those moments of fear that you get through unlock a chamber in your whole being of like,

hey, I can go and do things that are scary. I can take risks, right? And so as I look back on everything that I have created with this show, it started in a vehicle. And it has been manifested into what we're doing now. And by the way, there was a shit ton of doing. It wasn't just think about it and it appear, right? It was, what are the stages, what are the stages of pain that I need to go through to build this and I leaned forward into that shit and I did not run from that. I leaned in and felt every bit of

it and now we're starting to see some of this stuff manifest. I love that. Right? I love that too. Yes. Yeah. So, all right, so we got this going on. Like you've explained everything that, you know, people can expect. How is, how is, you know, I mean, you guys had the, you know, Grant had the growth con. Then you've had 10x ladies. How was that fulfilled you? personally. Like, what is it done for you that just kind of fires you up and continues to move in this forward fashion of, of, you know, being selfless? Well, I mean, that, well, I originally started the 10x ladies to bring more women into being exposed to Grant Cardone because maybe they didn't follow that type of personality,

or maybe they didn't follow his marketing or training. It just doesn't come up on the field. And again, now Grant is really mainstream, but this was several years ago, right? I looked at the audience and it felt male-dominated more, you know. So anyway, I did that. And as I've done this now for so many years, hearing the stories of women that have better relationships or they were on the verge of divorce and now they're really getting along and what they've done for their lives, for their children, for their businesses. I mean, it's really transforming.

And it's, I can't even tell you what that does for my soul and my spirit that so many thousands upon thousands upon thousands of lives have actually changed because of the data that they learn and apply to their lives. So that's, that's really the magic of what 10x ladies is all about is really starting to understand the empowerment of women on this planet. You know, Rand has, I don't want to speak for Grant. I don't want to say that, but Grant was raised by a single mom and has, you know, always his C-O is a woman.

He's always had really powerful women around him, but I'm not sure, and this is my observation. I'm not really sure that he's understood that women weren't empowered, like, because I think the button of empowered women implies that they're not. And I'm like, well, Grant, like, I'm sorry, but we are. Of course, a woman could become president. But look at around the world and how women are treated overall. I said it wasn't until 1974 that a woman could open a bank account or get a loan for a business on her own without having her husband have to sign for it or even her oldest son. So it's not like it's been around for a long, long, long time where women have been this.

empowered thing. And I just believe it's a generality, of course, but the nature of a woman, just in the fact that we can birth children and nurture and care and sustain life and continue the civilization of mankind. Obviously, we need our counterparts in men. And that's why I'm trying to bring us together and stop hating each other and really figuring out how we can be stronger together. But for women to understand that it's probably, if we're going to really heal this planet and nurture it, like, I need the women to wake up and see their power and how we influence men and our children and the community, because that is the power that is innate in us. And if we can't see it, don't recognize it, don't know it existed. It's been suppressed in us.

Like that has to stop. And the 10x ladies leave this, this summit conference, if you will, and really start to understand the magnitude of their responsibility. Have fun in life. I'm not saying it's a heavy, serious thing, but they start to realize the magnitude of their purpose and responsibility as women and to start going back and de-stimulating the environment, which is their home. and then their communities. And then as they grow and expand and can take more and more responsibility, it's to the globe and to the planet and to the impact that they can have and share their tools and stop holding them back and being so stingy, but sharing them so that I can win from your product and she can win and he can win and the children can win. So getting out those products and services to really help make a difference so that we can all start healing. ourselves and this planet and let's create a renaissance on planet earth let's go team come on

let's do it it's i love it elena you know the thing is too i was also raised um first 10 years of my life by by my mom and my grandma so i've always been around in my opinion powerful women right so it's an ideology to me like without women like i don't know if i would be where i'm at now now i had my father coming to my life when I was 10 years old and played a massive part. But the one thing that I think that most women and men overlook is the impact that a woman in the household, their energy and their, I guess, view of a situation or support or lack thereof can really wreak havoc or great influence on their men. like when my wife when my wife now listen right and i know you get this because i'm seeing i'm seeing

that light bulb right like yeah sean go boy go is when my wife supports me in something when i started the show i didn't know if i could do it she goes you can do anything you want like you're the one that's the star i'm like oh i got this person on my show i'm getting this person she goes okay i'm like you're not excited this is big she goes they get to talk to you when i hear that and it's like babe but i'm not there right now and she goes no no no not present but you will be. And when she pours into me like that, oh, I feel like I can take on anything. The women are so instrumental in a man's mental health and honestly confidence. I'm sorry. It's just the truth. I agree. And that's the one thing that I really appreciate and value

grant support in my role and how he's edified me and said, you know, it was Elena's idea. to go big. billionaire, I say that because he needed to be. Everyone's a millionaire. Who's going to listen to a guy from financial advice when they're like every other internet's, you know, I was like, you have to be a billionaire to get leverage to have authority. And because he didn't believe it at first.

And we went through whatever we had to get through that hurdle. But getting back to your point, Grant really does accredit me for how big he thinks now. and the support that I gave him in that. And really, I was just calling it as I saw it. It wasn't like I was faking that. I really believed in him. And I know your wife believes in you. And sometimes, you know, I didn't know that it would really happen in all honesty.

In 2008, I saw the picture. But part of me was like, oh, come on. Is that internally, like my own self-doubt, like this little, like, oh, can we really do this? I mean, we're just two Louisiana folks, you know, Like, really, come on. But I still just held the picture and the knowingness and the certainty in us and him and that we could do this. And it panned out.

And what you say is exactly how Grant feels. When I believe in him and when I say thank you and appreciate and acknowledge him, it means more to him. Like, I don't know, whatever those, your gifts or whatever the how you like to receive things, there's a book. I forget. But anyway, I never read the language. The four love languages. The love languages. Yeah, that's what they call it. The love language.

Grant's love language is a thank you and acknowledgement. And sometimes I get so busy with what's all going on. I forget to do that. And I take it for granted a little bit because I'm always moving on to the next thing. And I have, you know, I really do have to make a conscious effort to be better because that's the right thing to do. And so thank you for reminding me of that. I'm going to send them a thank you later. I love that.

You know, words of affirmation are massive, right? I think a lot of men do speak to that, that specific love language. I do. I mean, words of affirmation, like for me is big, right? I give acts of service, but I think it's also important to understand what your partner's love language is my wife is touch. So I'm missing the mark men when I'm just doing acts of service. If I'm grilling food or dishes or whatever, my wife.

likes touch. If you're just holding a hand. We have to understand what our partner really, really truly need. So, you know, great on you guys for understanding each other and what makes each other tick. I think it's fantastic. So what's next? You guys have the Grant Cardone Foundation, grant capital, you know, I mean Cardone capital. Then, you know, what is it, Cardone mortgage? You guys, I know it's not over for you guys, right? So whatever you can kind of let us know, what's the transition look like for you guys after 10x ladies? It's really going to be. be so massive. I mean, I'm not sure you want me to overwhelm everyone, but Grant did get on an investor call last night. I'll just try to be brief in each category. But Cardone Capital, we're going to,

we're going to end up eventually going public with that. Also, right now, we've got assets where the properties, and this is Class A properties, this is this is huge. This is, I mean, just go to Cardone Capital. You can see the institutional grade assets. that we have. They're just trophies, every single one of them. And we've destroyed, Grant has really disrupted that space because, you know, all of them know who we are now. And I'm talking, he's, he's had meetings now with Canter Fitzgerald, Bank of America, J.P. Morgan. And I mean, the heads, the top of the food chief wanting to, to, to partner up with him on, on his next piece. but he's leveraging Bitcoin.

So the properties are going to purchase Bitcoin instead of distributions, which, you know, the projections on that. Then we've got 10X Health. We're now talking about where, you know, we're a $2 billion company that's going to probably sell off 20% to our investors to give them the opportunity to get in. And that's, you know, I can't talk about that yet, but that's going to be very big and very global, you know, with the path that we're on right now and the partnerships. So, I mean, so the opportunity to really scale and let in partners in the 10x community into all aspects

of what we're doing and giving them the opportunity that they never would have had because you can't have these opportunities with Wall Street. It's just not, you know, it's old school. It's not how they've done. They have to sell in three to four years no matter what. And, you there's fees and blah, blah, blah. And, and, you know, grants on an investor call. Do you think, you know, the big boys are getting on a call with the investors monthly? No, I don't think so. So that's some of what we're doing is to really, and that's why I'm winding down 10x ladies

and Grant had to wind down GrowthCon this year because the level of where we're going now and the partnerships and the products that are going to be coming to market, is going to be able to include even more of the 10x community and into our ulterior, you know, agenda here, which is we wanted from the beginning, which is how can we get all the other. I called them all the other little me's because that's what Grant and I think of ourselves as the little me's from New Orleans and Lake Charles. Somebody took that out of context. So now I'm self-conscious every time I say it because they said, she called us little

Me's. No, I called us Little Mees and all the other people that identify with us from their condition in life. We want them the opportunity to come to the top. So we feel like we're finding products and vehicles, like you said, vehicles to where the other Mies, the other ones like us, can have an opportunity that it just was never available to the middle class or to the normal people or to us. I'm sorry, that's still how I see myself. So I respect that. It's just, and there's just so much, you know, I'm, I may or may not do Cardone mortgage right now. I'm doing it, but there's a product that I could bring to market with that that could be very new and very cool.

I've got Cardone interiors, which, which I would do scale to develop, developers that want to furnish the buildings. But I also run a real estate team, EXP. I have 600 agents under me and I'm supporting and helping them. And then my philanthropic work and I'm trying to get some bills passed in the capital to really make a difference and change things. So I've got to be secret and work behind the scenes on that because lobbyists find out about it. And then the way it's been done is the way it's been done and who's in pocket. So certain things have to be done a little more clandestinely to actually. like pull something off. And then the philanthropic work with the Grant Cardon Foundation,

this is just the last thing I'll mention because there's so many more. But the philanthropic work of the underserved children that don't have the access to this data because it's not in their communities. We offer this entrepreneurial skills to them. And we're, we're now in schools and we're we're partnering up with big boys, big sisters, big brothers, many different collaborations to help us get to the children that really need the opportunity to be able to handle their own lives and not be victim to circumstance, but really create a path for themselves. So there's a lot. Cardone Ventures.

We're partnering with other companies globally and nationally nationwide to scale them. So we've really, you know, we've really become the Amazon to the entrepreneur in the 10x community. there's you know you can just lock in and i mean it's just line product line you know what do you want you want marketing you want leadership you want people's essentials you want to partners witness in health and in real estate like we we've got it all we're a one-stop that's amazing i love it i love it you know and again it's all centered around that main point other people right and that's that's what's important. I love that. And of course, you know, I knew there was many things coming for you guys. And I'm excited to see all the products you guys roll out. Even with the 10X health, I'm

excited to see what you guys are going to do there. I know you can't talk about it. But like, hey, you know you have a direct line to me. So I heard Grant mention it on a call today because we just talked to the business partners. Y'all are getting the skinny on Sunday. and they really came around with the structure and what Grant wants to do. And he's always wanted to create vehicles for the community. And we, you know, no one, I'm sorry, you can't show me one person who is crowdfunded and doing what Grant's done. He's raised $1.6 billion, you know, just from his community without Wall Street, without paying people. It's just unbelievable in what he's built and we have the track record.

You know, we've had all the people that have come out and said we're going to jail and frauds and this and that. And we've won those lawsuits and been issued apologies time and time again. And the SEC, trust me, if they could have found something they would. And who knows what other investigations have been over the last several years. But, you know, when you have clean hands and you are who you say you are, clean hands are always. going to win out in the end. And when you have clean hands, you have nothing to hide. So, shine the light, baby. I ain't scared. I agree with that approach. I ain't going on running. I ain't no cucaracha. I love it. Well done. One more question for you as we land the plane here.

The show is called The Determined Society, right? And just like what you say, discipline is king. And really at the heart of determination is discipline, right? So in your words, What does determination mean to you? Determination means you are so laser focused on your target, your purposes, your goals, your dreams, your values, that you will always fall forward, pick yourself back up, course correct, self-enhanced, whatever you've got to do to win and destroy the other side. you need to be the suppression to the other side. And you need to flourish and prosper and surround yourself with other people who are supportive to show active interest in the success of dot, dot, dot, you, your values and with reciprocity and who are interested in bearing the weight of you and all that you are doing to make a difference for the better.

And that's what determined is. It's determined not to fail. And you can't fail if you continue to fall forward. So it's the determination to make a difference for the better. I love it. I love it. Thank you for that. And thank you for coming on and sharing everything going on in your lives and what you guys have built,

even the vulnerable moments. So the audience can look at that and say, hey, you know what? These are billionaires. No different than me. I'm going through things with my husband or wife right now. And if we focus enough and we're intentional about everything that we're doing, we can also overcome. And even if they're not looking to be billionaires, if someone can become billionaires on the verge of losing something in 2008 and not even 20 years later or whatnot, have the opportunity to impact the globe at a $7 to $10 billion amount number, then you can do it in your own world too. So thank you guys for showing the world what is.

possible. I cannot wait to hear all about how your event went. When you get back, I want to connect with you in person. And just thanks for pouring into the audience. Just thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. And for the audience, August 15th through the 16th in Aventura, Florida, 10x ladies. Is it 10xladys.com? Is that the correct average? See? It's like, almost know what I'm talking about here. 10xladys.com, go reserve your ticket. Network with amazing women and men, don't be afraid to go either, all right? Get in the room.

It's not too girly. You're going to fit in. More and more men have shown up over the years. It's really, it's really cool when they come out and support their wives or their business partners or their mothers or their sisters or whatnot. Unbelievable, Laina. Thank you so much for everything. And again, audience, until next time, stay determined.

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