Determined Society with Shawn French | Adversity & Mindset - Freedom Town USA with Patrick Dearborn

Episode Date: September 29, 2025

Patrick Dearborn brings unwavering purpose to every role he leads—whether as a top real estate agent, fire commissioner, or community advocate in Naples, Florida. In this episode of The Determined Society, Patrick and Shawn engage in a powerful conversation about faith, duty, daily disciplines, and the importance of service, unity, and unshakeable grit. They peel back the layers on his early mornings—starting his day at 4 AM to get the hardest thing done first—and discuss his role in building what he calls “Freedom Town USA,” a community rooted in shared American values rather than division. This episode covers: -What's Freedom Town USA and why Naples is the model for unity -His journey from military service to real estate and firefighting—building a life on discipline and honoring your "call" -The daily practice of “doing something you don’t want to do” as a determination muscle -How to fight division in American life by choosing unity, empathy, and connection -Tales from the fire service and what it means to truly serve—and pay with sacrifice -Why a relentless morning routine is Patrick’s non-negotiable baseline -What it truly means to be the GOAT (special shoutout to GOATED GOLF) What Determination Means to Patrick: “Waking up at 4 AM, doing the hardest thing first, and serving others before serving myself.” Connect with me : https://link.me/theshawnfrench?fbclid=PAZXh0bgNhZW0CMTEAAaY2s9TipS1cPaEZZ9h692pnV-rlsO-lzvK6LSFGtkKZ53WvtCAYTKY7lmQ_aem_OY08g381oa759QqTr7iPGA Patrick Dearborn https://www.instagram.com/patrickdearborn/ Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

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The fact of the matter is, no matter which way the pendulum swings when America speaks, that's my president. And that's what I deal with. And I just know also, too, that I control my own day. Stop looking for excuses of why you're not making it because who's in charge. It doesn't matter what abilities and talents and blessings that you have waiting for you. If you get stuck on the extrinsic factors that you cannot control, you're done. Man, I can't stop look at that shirt, dude. I'm serious.

The colors are awesome. a drop that I'm one of one that has a gold collar is really nice man can't mention it but October there's a massive collab coming I'm gonna go if you have one on too you just got the T-shirt yeah I just got a lousy I just got a lousy my buddy went to goading got a brand new shirt all I got was this lousy t-shirt now I love I got a lot of shirts man I love Kevin's dope but I'll pop that you're locking arm for them I love I love their brand yeah no they're great we're gonna be doing some merch collabs too awesome I got the you saw the proof sure I did ready this logo is fire man right I'm not I love it, man.

Thank you. Thank you. I love it too. Kevin Van Duser and Goody, man. Kevin Van Duser and Goody, man. And Red State Golf doing great things, I'm sure. Shout to my guy Colin sitting over here, too. I got my boy Colin in the room.

We're doing some cool stuff with AI. I just hired him to take my real estate stuff and social media to the next level. Come on, man. We're trying to get the Sean Fring's level. So we're going to get there baby stuff. I mean, do you have a lot of tears because that's what it took me, man. Let's go about that. I mean, come on, man.

Let's be real. The man on top of the mountain didn't fall there. No, man. And they kicked you in the freaking head every step of the way. I do honestly. And I still feel like I'm getting my teeth kicked in like daily, right? I mean, because it's just part of it. Right.

It's just to me, it's like, give me their names. Give me their names. Address. But the thing is, is like, you just, I mean, there's always another level, right? And there's always another proof that you belong at that level. Yeah. Right. So it's just a constant churning.

And it's like this undercurrent of movement that no one sees. Right? They see the show. They see everything what we're doing. Everybody looks awesome on social media. But yeah. And again, I'm like the first one to admit. Like, man, we don't have it all figured out.

And I'm not perfect. I have my problems at home. I've got a great wife, three beautiful children, but it's still stressful. Absolutely. You know, so we go through those things. And like a lot of times, it does feel like a donkey kick right in the nuts. Yeah. But, dude, like, I'm super happy to have you on the show, man.

Thank you, brother. We've been for, probably going on about a year. Yeah. Yeah. But really started to get really, really close. And I just value you. man. So I'm good people back at you, man.

It's funny how you lock arms of people, that law of attraction, whatever that is. But I'm drawn to people. Like I was drawn to Colin. I saw a social media post with Bigfoot in Naples. I'm like, that's a cool little thing. Who's doing this? And I kind of researched and sought him out. I love what grit does, man.

I still think that clip I did with them way back. I mean, these guys are young. They're just aggressive, great dudes that want to share people's stories, whether it be my favorite comedian in the world, Jim Brewer, or now my second favorite podcaster because Gary Breka, I have to say it's my favorite, but you're my second favorite podcaster with Determined Society. I went back through and rewatch a lot of your shows, man. I did. I'm sorry.

But no, dude, the people you've had on your show, man, from Jamie Kennedy to I already got Fat Joe coming up here soon. We're hoping. You have a variety of people. Yeah. And this theme is always the same. We're trying to help people just be better with their lives. And you pick out nuggets.

You had a great way of getting things out of people. Thank you. to share with your audience about how we can all get better, man. We're all trying to get better. I want to be better today than I was yesterday because yesterday I sucked. I mean, yesterday was a bad. I had a bad day yesterday, too, man. I sucked yesterday.

There's a greatest day. But you know what, man, you need those days too because without darkness, there's no light. And it's crazy because you talk about the wide variety, right, that the show brings. I don't, I'm a unifier. And you and I have this conversation the other day. You know, if you're about, if you're a unifier, you have to have some type of unification. So I don't care who you are. For people, you know, watching, listen to the show now, like, I don't care what your views are.

I actually love people. So when you come on the show, you're never going to get bombarded by me. I'm going to seek clarification. I'm going to ask questions. And if I have a differing opinion, I will give it. But it's going to be in a respectful way because, like you mentioned earlier, you were talking to somebody from Fox earlier today. And you realize that two completely different religions, but you guys had a lot more in common than you thought you did. And that's what I think the world is missing.

Is missing dudes like you that are out there actually doing it? People can talk about it behind a camera. People can talk about it with the phone in front of her face, talking about unification. But what are their action showing? So, you know, have you always been that way? That's a great question, man. So, you know, no, I, there's still moments every week where I get sucked into what they want us to do, which is they want me to dislike you.

Yep. because of the color of your shirt, color of your skin, your religious beliefs, your sexual orientation, did you get vaxed or not vaxed? Whatever your name tag says, they, wherever they are, they want us at odds. Where do you think it's started? I have an opinion. I personally feel everybody talking about, when we talked about COVID, I know it's like old news, but, you know, there's a lot of people affected and impacted by COVID. We love talking about it. But here's the thing. Like everybody thought that that was the ceiling. I thought that was the baseline of the division that was about to transpire for the years to come.

So that's my opinion. It may have started way before then. Sean, and this has been going on since, says literally since Adam and Eve, I'm just telling you, there's always going to be evil in the world. And I think evil figured out that,

man, if I get everybody at each other, because if we all get together, you've seen amazing things when groups come together. Yep. Unfortunately, it takes something very traumatic, very horrible to happen. I'm going to go back to 9-11. 9-11, I remember the statistic.

More people went to church the Sunday after 9-11, 2001 than had been the church, I think, in the last 40, 50 years. And the point was, and again, whether you're for church or not for church, I'm not here to tell you to go to church. What I'm here to tell you is that this division, whoever's behind it, They love us because we're weaker when you and I are not locked arms. When you and I lock arms, when you and a Gary Brecker lock arms, when you and John Hoffman and you and Derek Carlson and you and Jeff Delaney,

think about that day I met, we were on the same panel almost a year ago. Yeah, January of a year. But I just got so excited to be there to hear. I picked up like seven or eight great little nuggets for myself. And then lock and arm with you and follow. following you ever since then and then all of a sudden we cross paths again at the 239 live. It was God's way of saying, hey, you two need to get together. Yeah, what's your problem?

You guys need to. Yeah, we do. Yeah. And right away, we had a lot of common things. I like to unify. But getting back to your question. And we're going to take a quick break to hear from our powered by sponsor. We're proud to announce a partnership between White Sands,

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friends of mine who are screaming at the top of their lungs the exact opposite of what I think I stand for, I start to get caught up in it again. Okay, of course. So my best days are when I turn that stuff off. I spend time, quiet time, just meditating, I spend quiet time reading my Bible app. And for those that are watching right now, yeah, I read a Bible app. I know shocking to some of your people out there. But you know what? I also get a church. I'm a believer.

But you know what else I am? I'm imperfect and I'm flawed and I make mistakes all the time. You said that earlier. All of us are imperfect and flawed. All of us have issues. And the best way to get beyond all of that is to come together. So again, I go back to, there is something, some force going back to the dawn of time that wants to keep us at each other as opposed to for each other.

And I use this analogy I taught a kid's Sunday school class a long time ago. And I use these little popsicle sticks, those little wooden thin wood little... I'll tell the story. I love this story. And these popsicle sticks, if you take one popsicle stick, you can easily snap it and not easy. Take two sticks. You can snap it. You're strong.

You'd probably snap three or four. But if you get eight or nine together, and they're all very thin. And you put a rubber band around, which the rubber band stands for unity. Whatever it's unifying those people to get. Try to break it. I don't care the strongest guy in the world. Big Mike could be here. You're not breaking those popsicle sticks.

And the moral of that story and that Sunday school lesson to those kids was, together, we can do so much. With God, all things are possible. And that's okay if I keep messing up because God knows my heart. Whether I admit it out loud or I, or I will. whatever, if I'm thinking it, God already knows. So why not embrace that and go, man, I'm imperfect, I'm flawed, I'm broken. How can I help other people get through their times? And that's what I've, that's the biggest reason why I want to come on your show is I saw people opening up and sharing with me regardless of their celebrity status that we're all in the same boat. We've all got the same issues.

We all have struggles at home, like you said. We've all got kids and bills and stress and family members that drive us crazy. And then on top of all that, we got politics and this side one's this and this side wants that. And even though I consider myself a true conservative, there are things that go on every day that President Trump does. I don't like. No, absolutely. But I never hated the other guy who was in. There was no hatred. That's why I don't understand the hatred. I never hated Obama. I never hated Joe Biden. I would pray every Sunday, please God, pray for our president. Let him give him discernment to do what's best for our country and for all of us.

But if your guy doesn't win, I don't just pack up my toys and go home. But see, that's the problem right now, right? That is the removal of the popsicle sticks, right? Because now it's two sides. Like, it's very clear that if you didn't vote for Trump, you hate him. And vice versa. And I just don't believe in that. You know, I like to think of myself right down the middle.

And I'm, you know, caught my ground, man. Like, I could go either way. But the fact of the matter is, no matter which way the pendulum swings when America speaks, that's my president. Absolutely. Like, 100%. Like, that's who I have for the next four, maybe eight years. And that's what I deal with. And I just know also, too, that I control my own day.

I control my own economy within my home. And the thing that I, and this is for you guys watching that I really want you guys to key in on, stop looking for excuses of why you're not making it because who's in charge, because interest rates are too high, because my home prices are dropping. Like guys, this is a normal cycle that we're in. And if you allow it to beat you,

then you will be beaten. But if you dig your damn heels in, and again, theme of the show, determined, you stay determined to win and do things the right way, not win at all costs,

do things the right way, but really dive into the, what makes you and what's going to make you successful, focus on that. Not what you see on Instagram. I think I love social media because it built my brand. But at the same time, I mean, listen, man, the social

media platforms are so freaking powerful because, dude, it goes on interest. It goes on interest. Everybody wants to know what the algorithm is. Like, no, it goes on what you click on, what you like, what you look at on your search engines, you know, it doesn't matter what it is.

But if you choose to allow that to rain, your day, then you're going to lose. It doesn't matter what abilities and talents and blessings that you have waiting for you. If you get stuck on the extrinsic factors that you cannot control, you're done. Yeah. Wow. Wow.

That's a rants. Amacolata extrinsic. We buy the word extrinsic. That's a good word, man, big word. But look, your message is so powerful. I agree. I could not agree more. And I wish I was more middle of the road.

I'm definitely an outspoken guy when it came to things like COVID and mandatory vaccine. And yeah, so I had that rebel in me. I like to challenge authority. I've been that way from the day I was born. So anyway, but again, the good side of me, my heart always wants to find a way like with the news reporter today. He's Muslim. He told me he was very proud. I'm like, man, that's awesome.

I gave him fist bump, gave him a hug. Because again, I think we have more in common than we do a part. I don't care if your name tag says Muslim. I don't care if it says Buddhist, Hindu, Jewish, Christian. I still want to, you're still a human being. Yeah, yeah. You still have a family. You have a wife.

You have kids. You have problems. You have issues. You have bills. We're all on the same boat, man. So again, I love the fact that you are a unifier. I want to be more of a unifier. And let's find common ground to bring us together.

Not what political issues or what other issues we have apart. Yeah. I get caught up in a magazine. sucked up into it sometimes, but I promise you, by watching, by watching this podcast, the determined society and watching other podcasts, like a Joe Rogans, like even a Gary Breckis, where it's focused on health, focus on positive things, man, make an impact. What's wrong with being the better, the best version of ourselves, the ultimate determined version of Sean French? I can guarantee it is. The ultimate determined best Sean French

because the grace of God is unstoppable, meaning that you could lead so many people down a much brighter path. You're an encourager, man. So I love encouragers. So we need more people to be encouragers. Gary Breck is an encourager. He encourages people to be the healthiest them they can be.

He's not reading that in the wheel. He's giving you common sense facts in a way where it's easily relatable. Joe Rogan does the same thing. Joe Rogan wasn't even a Trump guy. He interviewed Trump. He liked Trump. Bill Maher was an anti-Trump guy.

And I used Bill Maher because Bill Ma hated Trump. And yet he still, out of respect, went and met with the president of the United States. I think Kid Rock set that meeting up. And he came out of that and said, you know what? He's not as bad as my perception because our perceptions of people. My perception of a big podcast superstar like yourself. And I'm saying that fictitiously. There's no airs about you, man.

You are as down to earth as any. anybody ever met in my life. And yet you're blessed to have a hugely successful and popular podcast show. I want to get there where I can reach more people. But what you're teaching me and when I'm learning from you and by watching your shows, I'll get a lot more influence and impact and can encourage more people by being more of a unifier. And that's what it's all about. And I mean that. So I'm all about wanting to find out how I can become, how we all can become more. unifiers, more encouragers of each other. The thing is, is like, you're already on that

path, right? Because when I look at some days, some days, right? None of us are perfect. But when I see you at the 239 live, we're automatically, we're in one place. So it's like, okay, we automatically belong. So when we talk about unification on a very broad

societal scale, it's almost impossible. That's just like saying day one, first time I drop a show, I want to have the top 10 podcasts on Spotify and Apple. Like, that's a tall order. That's a tall order though. Think about that. Like, that's not realistic to think that on day one. But did you? No. Was that your goal? I don't know what. My goal was just to interview local people that have maybe won state championships and, you know, good sales people. So you started out

just like Pat and Emmer started. It's like the great guys. Yeah. Like I started out because I wanted to understand someone else's recipe for success and then give it to people. So they had a blueprint to wake up in the morning going to do this shitty sales job that they don't want to freaking do. I love it. Because the emotion's going to tell them to not go do it. It's going to, hey, stay home, have a bad attitude. Oh, man, I got to go door to door. This sucks. Well, maybe it does suck, but where's enjoying it? What's it going to create for you? What are you building? What type of discipline and resilience and determination are you building by doing that even though you hate it? Yeah. But my point is it starts in the community. Yeah. Not at a massive societal level.

It starts at your, in your home base. So when I work with my team here with grit, you know, I mean, yeah, we have our point. They're amazing. Do we have our moments? Like, but it's nothing's ever said or done out of harm. We give our opinions. We usually land on the same spot, you know. And but the thing is, is understanding other people.

And when you do that with all your guests, they become entrenched of like saying, oh, wow, here's the thought process. that was the most fun interview I've ever had. Thank you for that. I really appreciate that. That does mean a lot to me. And then when the show comes out, they share it like crazy.

They put it to their mailing list. Like Brad Meltzer, 12 out of 12, best, best, New York Times best seller. Yeah. 12 out of 12. Multiple genres.

Multiple genres. Now he's in kids books. Yeah. You know, he's just dropping another one called The Vibery. Dude, that show got 63,000 streams. That one show.

And it's, what's his message? Kindness is his superpower. Like, guys, there's a reason that people read his books. He's a very talented author. Don't get me wrong. But when people get behind the man or the woman, because they know that that man or woman is about what they say they're about, people go to war for him.

Oh, yeah. And that's what I've tried to create here. And again, still trying, right? We're still, I want to say trying, but we're executing. You're getting there, buddy. We're getting there. Yeah. Man on top of the mountain didn't fall there for sure. Yeah. That's awesome. You know, it goes back to what you and I were talking about before earlier.

I was sharing with you some of my background. I know we share a common faith, right? We're both believers. I don't personally use the term. I'm Christian because Christian means Christ-like. And I can tell you, and those that know me and my friends and family know there are times that I'm not very Christ-like. I'm a follower of Christ. I'm watching the show. Again, rewatching it. I'm one season four or five. And it's just so good. And I'm not here to promote a TV show,

but if you wanted reading the Bible for all, I'm almost 57 years old, reading the Bible, I get lost sometimes or it goes over my head. Seeing this show in contact, I'm a visual person. The chosen has really shown me how imperfect and flawed, just like we are, the disciples were. And yet Jesus was patient. And he already knew this guy's going to betray me.

this guy's going to deny me three times. This guy's going to do this. This guy's going to do that. And yet he still loved on all of them and kept him as his core group. And it just, it teaches me, number one, that we are who we hang around. We are who we hang around. Number two, we are the sum of not just our experiences growing up, but we're the sum of who we hang out with the most.

So when I hang out with great people, and Cohn and I have had this discussion, there's a verse in the Bible, Proverbs, and I can't quote many, but Proverbs 2717, iron sharpens iron as one man sharpens another. So you got to get around those kind of people. You got to say, hey, you're a man, I'm a man, I'm a father, you're a father. You were a son, I was a son. and you share the struggles that we have. Listen, it ain't easy being a heterosexual, straight, white, Christian, Christ following, conservative male

in today's society. And I spoke those words for me. It ain't easy. Yeah. But I can tell you this, I got to quit focusing on and worrying about, am I getting my fair share? Am I getting my just rewards?

Am I getting my just deserve? and focus on how can I make everybody around my circle better? That's it, right? That is the cheat code. If everybody wants a silver bullet, right, of what's it going to take to do whatever it is that you want to do? I don't care at what level. I don't care if you're a beginner or an expert.

The path to greatness is make people better. thousand percent it's value it's value based it's it's it's driven it with value if you can't provide the value and people aren't picking up what you're putting down and there's maybe some disconnects in there with what you're saying what you actually do well then then it's a completely different completely different story you said something and i i don't want to glance over it because you know you talked about you know all the disciples and jesus and and he knew that person was going to done i am three times you knew that portray him portraying so but you're not to the show getting angry like,

don't you know he's going to put you the hell. You know the deal, man. What are you doing, Jake, but here's the thing. If he could do it, why can't we? Because all too often,

people go into interactions and conversations and business conversations or whatever it is with like, if I give something, it's always a quid pro quo. But why can't you just be back? Why can't you just be? Like what?

I didn't have any intentions of going, other than, you know, Pat and Tim asked me to come on. I'm like, dude, that sounds like a fun time. Like, it's something different. I haven't done a live show in a long time. That was fun. Let me go.

Let's have a blast. But then when you give all your attention and all your, your poise and your focus to that one activity, things come out of it. Things always come out of it when you lead the right way, when you read with your heart and just being excited to be around people. And that's what drives me crazy. It drives me crazy when people don't think that way. And again, I'm not here to judge.

y'all. I mean, because I don't have the same worldly view or the same paradigm as maybe three people that are listening right now pissed off at what I'm saying is I see you, I got you, follow me, hold on, is I don't have their perspective. So I can't

intelligently speak on that. But what I can say, what I can say without a shadow of a doubt, if they just tried to operate out of a value-based and a giving energy, their day would be much better.

And they will start to knock down some of those goals that they have said. A thousand percent. Because there's a major block, right? There's a major energetic block when you want something very massive, but you hold it so tight. Not just finances, not just your success, but when you hold so tight that you close people off, you are cutting your knees out from underneath you. A thousand percent. Got to be open, man.

Yeah. Yeah. You know, he asked earlier about that song, it's been on my head. I got Rhodes. I Redian's got a verse in there that says there's a lot of great verses. And it's about, I relate to it because of the words, but one of the verses is every sinner has a future. Every saint has a pass. And we were on that panel last year, and I didn't pre-plan this, but it just came to me where there's a reason why the rearview mirror is this big. And my windshield looking out in front of me. I remember that. I remember that.

And we focus so much on the past. And I'm just going to be real. Whoever they are that want me and you at each other, they don't want us getting along. They also like us to be fearful and focus so much on our past. Like, you can't, you can't. I can't talk somebody about my faith because look at all the bad things I've done in my life. Look at what I did last Saturday at that pool party.

And that's what Satan whispers in your ear. You're not worthy enough. You're not good enough. You're not worthy enough. I used to always, people would ask me how you're doing. And I always had this pre, I heard it from somewhere. I thought it was a core response better than I deserve. And along the way, someone pulled me inside and goes, stop saying that.

Because you deserve, we deserve a phenomenal life. Goes back to what you just said. We are the biggest cause why we don't have those phenomenal lives because we caught up in that rear view mirror and I get caught up in my side view mirrors going, what's this person doing? What's that person doing? As opposed to staying in my lane and looking out through my windshield going, I got all this. Look at all these people I can impact. Look at all these people I could ask to come to my men's group Tuesday morning at 730 at see the table. Look at what I can do with the kids in a mockley and the things that we do and give them back and you do the same thing. So the point is not to be a do

do-gooder and wear that shirt that says, I'm here to save the world. No, we want to. Listen, being an encourager, being a giver is not a trumpet call to self-importance is not a trumpet call to flex your muscles, throw out your chest. Being a giver, being a follower of Christ, being an encourager means it's a trumpet call to serve. That's why I ran for a fire commissioner. Fire commissioner, by the way, pays $500 a month, so I didn't do it for the money. And I'm not making fun of $500 a month. I donate that salary to worthwhile cause.

but I did it because I was never a firefighter, but I loved what firefighters do. Yeah, man. Just in general, they run toward, when I was in the military, we ran towards the fire. We ran towards the gunfire. We ran towards danger.

And you can't teach it. You can't learn it. Doesn't mean I'm better than other people, but for some reason, God made me where I have that knack where there's gunfire, I'm running towards it. and pull my Glock out and we're going to put down a bad guy. And I pray every day I never have to do that when I carry my concealed carry.

But man, the only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun, period. But I run towards it. These firefighters here we have locally, every day, Greater Naples Fire Rescue, they respondent to car. You didn't make car accidents on a given day we have? That would be the hardest part about that. Crazy. And a hundred degree heat and they're fully loaded up.

and they're EMT certified. They're there for every call. Every 911 call, the elderly population in Kyriek County, man, they take the wrong medication. I'm having heart palpitations. You don't know which 911 call. They're getting ready to die or they're dead

and they got to show up and try to do life-saving measures. So shout out to Mina, not just the Greater Naples Fire Rescue, firefighters and EMS and the staff, but to all of our first responders, man, I was so honored today to be requested to come to the Kyra County Board.

County Commissioner meeting. And I got to lead a Pledge of Allegiance and give a shout out to, I love living in Ceyer County because, and we've nicknamed this town, Freedom Town, USA. Because we love our first responders, cops, we don't spit on our cops in this town. We respect our law enforcement.

We respect and love and appreciate all of our firefighters, all our EMS, all of our nurses. Listen, first responders, and essential personnel can go beyond teachers and and dentists. And I mean, it goes on and on and on. But let's focus on those first responders. I love living in a town where as a community,

we love and cherish them. And that doesn't happen to every community. Well, there's a lot that goes on with first responders, right? Like my uncle was a firefighter retired out in Woodland, California. Yep. I idolize them when I was growing up. But, you know, with first responders, there's always the things that they do, like running towards the fire, you know,

our police, our police department keeps us safe and they don't know which traffic stop is going to be their last. Or someone's going to pull out a gun. That's what I'm saying, right? You don't know when it's going to be your last one. I mean, it could be, right? Yeah. But then you look at the other side of the coin.

They have families at home that are worried about them every single day that they go to work. So why would we not edify these people? Thousand percent. You know, that's a great point, man. Yeah, that's a great point. And that's why I ran. I didn't run. Listen, I've been asked to run for other political offices.

And I'll say the same thing. And I'll say it right now. I have no interest in any other thing. I love being the fire commissioner because, A, I just love giving back to our community and really helping these people have great lives. I love our county. Yeah. So to me, I'm an encourager, right? So I want to encourage our firefighter.

I want to encourage our taxpayer, my fellow taxpay and citizens, look, we all got to pay a little bit extra to make sure our firefighters and their families are taken care of and our police are taken care of. And that's how you have a great county. We walk around all the time bragging about how awesome Kaira County. I mean, a week doesn't go by where in Naples or Kire County doesn't end up number one, number two on some list. Best places to live. Healthiest place to live. Happiest place to live. Well, those are all true.

We love it here. But why? Super clean, too. And that's not a, that doesn't involve politics. That doesn't involve anything else. Religion, it involves people caring about each other and caring about our community. And I'm blessed. We're blessed to live here.

We have low crime. we have the best first responders. We have low crime here. We have great supermarkets with locally grown, healthy, organic stuff. We have the beach and our grassy yards year round. No snow, no frost. You can walk outside and walk barefoot on the earth and ground. It's good for you.

You can walk outside and breathe fresh air every day. You can walk and take a dip in the ocean with manatees and sea turtles and dolphins every day. And that's free. Yeah. Free. Yeah. So imagine living here. We can do that year round.

So again, I feel like people forget sometimes as we work our job, we put our heads down and our blinders on. You forget the Gulf of America is literally a mile and a half that way. You forget that seed the table where the vegetables and fruits are grown 8, 10 miles east of here out there in the farmlands of Immokly. And shout out to Alfie. That's one of my good friends and just a great, great guy for our county. So much history here. Give so much back. So we appreciate you and love you, Alfie.

But I can go on and on and on. the local businesses here and people that have built John R. Wood may rest in peace. John R. Wood started the company I worked for my day job being a realtor in 1958. And that guy, he was a short little guy, the funniest guy ever, always made people laugh. He became an icon. He helped start multiple things like St. Matthew's House and supported them. And there's some housing places, Justin's place, that John R. Wood, Mr. Wood, started himself because he wanted to give back and he wanted to pour into the town that he loved. In 1958, this town wasn't that big of a deal back that, but guys like him put this town

on the map and that's why everybody wants to live here. So realtors like me and businesses like everybody else benefit because we live somewhere where everybody wants to be here. How awesome is that? That's pretty darn cool, man. I don't care the Ten Commandments are on the front of the government door or not. It's still Freedom Town USA. It's still an awesome place to live. I hope they pass that today because it's referring to our history of our Ten Commandments, not a religious statement. But again, to end the day, I got to focus on turn off the news, focus on positive things, get around like mind and positive people, listen to podcasts, learn things, get better mentally, physically and spiritually. And the rest is cake. Good segue,

right? All great things. You know, we talk. about getting better mentally, right, physically. You've been looking great, man. Did you, just be honest, between us and your followers and your watchers? Did you do biceps today, man, before the time? No, I had, I had back today. I don't like, no, I had back today. Is there some, you have some weights back there, man?

Little baby, little five-pounders. No, today was a back day and it was at 4.30 in the morning. So my pump's gone. My pump's gone. Thanks on me. 4.30 a.m? Yeah, man. I thought I was early at 6th.

Well, see, here's the thing, right? It all bleeds into the conversation. all these things that we're wanting to get better at, whether it's a job, doesn't matter. My marriage and your marriage, my marriage, my relationship with my son.

Yeah, my kids. Yeah. My co-workers. It all starts with the first decision you make every day. And so when people say to me, like, dude,

you can work out at nine, you're your own boss. I'm like, if I work out at 9 a.m., I have my public is blowing up my phone. I mean, I have so many different things. I have my partners that need me.

I'm my, I have grit that needs me. I have my wife that needs me. My children, I need to be present. I need to be focused. So for me, for everybody listening, everybody has that one thing that they struggle with. And that's usually the first thing that you need to take care of every single day. For me, for a long time, I got out of the gym.

I got in really bad shape. So I said, okay, I need to get up at four. I need to be in the gym parking lot by 425, 430. And then I go do the damn thing that I don't want to do the most in my life. And then when I get home, Daddy's lit up. Daddy feels good. He had a 45-minute lift. I just sat in the sauna for 25, 30 minutes,

chopping it up with dudes that have the same type of energy that are there doing the work in the morning. I get home and I'm like, everything else is easy. The breakfast, the making the snacks with the kids, helping my wife get them ready for the morning because she's up there getting ready for her day. She's a teacher. God bless her, right?

Awesome. But my point is you can't be better for everybody if you don't take care of yourself. first and that is not a selfish thing. No. But now here's the other flip side of it. If I one second, yeah, the key at that first takeaway, and I don't you don't yet.

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Do something you don't want to do every day and you want to make sure your kids are going to be okay when they get older and can adapt to this crazy society in this world. Make your kids do something they don't want to do every day. You know what you're preparing them for? Real life.

Yeah. How about that? anyway. Yeah, no, so I just think it's important, man. I don't know where I was going with it outside of that, but every thing. You were telling me how you start your day, sets off your whole thing right. It's everything. But you have a choice to do that. Right.

But then when I don't do it, those are the days that I'm, I have lack of patience. Those are the days that I'm snippy with my wife and my kids. Because you know why? It's not their fault. It's because I broke my word to myself. I broke my standard. Yeah. And goals are one thing.

But when you have a standard and you hold to it, that's where the growth happens. It could be physically, it could be mentally, it could be financial. It doesn't matter. Everybody has to have a standard. And the one thing that you struggle with, take care of that thing and make standards and processes and systems around that to insulate you from all risk and get really good at that. Guess what else happens to everything else? It takes care of it itself because now you operate in those relationships and those other verticals the same way you do when you wake about 4 o'clock in the morning and you have your butt in the gym. That's it.

I'm not doing 4.30 of the gym, but same thing. non-negotiables. You gotta be consistent mind-body spirit. Rinse takes your laundry and hand delivers it to your door, expertly cleaned and folded. So you could take the time once spent folding and sorting and waiting to finally pursue a whole new version of you.

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It's up to you. you. We'll take the laundry. Rince, it's time to be great. I love again, you're getting up, who wants to get up at 480? And go to the gym at 4.30. No, that's not a natural thing. Oh. It's no different than jump into a three-minute cold shower or a three-minute cold plunge. Your body doesn't want to do that. That's natural. And yet you make yourself do it. The brain is wired to keep you safe, man. Yeah. And I remember this morning, I was telling Kyle over there, is like, you know, I woke up at four and I laid at the bed and looked at the... I know Kyle went up before.

No, Kyle went up before. Kyle wasn't getting up before. Young Buck, handsome little kid. Leave him until 11. Yeah, no, I'm not. They'd kill him here if he, you know, slept to 11. But no, dude, like, I was laying there. I was telling him what every part of me right now, it was never off the, it was never on the table for me not to go.

Yeah. You know, what I always do is always drape a leg over. Because if I drape a leg over, then I'm so uncomfortable. I can't feel back a sleep. That's the trick, huh? But I was like, I was like, you know, left leg out. But then I'm like, man, this is going to be a rough lift. I might, if I move right now, I might pull a muscle.

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All the support there. Education to products, to execution, to community. Right? That's how you are. But I said to myself like, okay, I might break in half right now. But my point is with this, you just have to make the next step. So for the next step is putting both feet on the ground. And then it's taking my gym clothes inside the bathroom, brushing my teeth, getting dressed,

walking downstairs, filling up my water with my electrolytes, with my creatine, have my protein shake. And then I get in the gym. I got arms like that. I'm going to start doing all that stuff. Give me that whole list. Give me that list. It's crazy. Love that arms.

Sean French arms. Let's go. Let's go. Look, I'm serious. This is me. I met you a year ago to now. Brother. Yeah,

unbelievable, man. It's inspiring. I mean, it's looking awesome, brother. Thank you. But again, there is no status quo where you could coast now. No, right? Big podcast show. All these celebrities on your show.

But that goes away if I, if I coast. A thousand percent. But that's the thing. That's what they're coasting. The coasting is so easy, though. So we're lacking this coast. This is going to create some hard roads, man. But it's going to create some massive roadblocks, man.

Exactly. And so that's the thing. It's like just do the next natural thing, right? Get in the vehicle and push to start. Or if you still have a crank, cool. Break to start, whatever it is. I haven't seen one in a long time. I got old school.

Yeah, but, yeah, but, you know, that's vintage, baby. That's at the blue license plate dog. But like, you do that thing. And then by the time you get to the gem or to crack your book open and read you've already done five things that you don't want to do. Yeah. And it's so important to understand and honor those small things that you did, like, putting both feet on the floor and brushing your teeth and getting dressed.

Yeah. Like that's, that's three or four things right there, man. Because today I was just like, dude. And you know what? My lift wasn't great. My lift wasn't great. But I did it. Yeah.

And now those hard things that I have to do the rest of the day, I'm not going to cheat myself on. I'm going to pick up the phone and do the reach. I'm going to pick up the phone and do the thing. I'm going to send the hard email. I'm going to record the show. And if I hadn't done that this morning, the conversation wouldn't be as good as it is right now. That's awesome.

So I was like that only different. I woke up at 4 a.m. Super exciting because I'm like, I'm like, I get to be on Sean French. That's amazing. Determine Society podcast. And I'm being dead serious. So I went and had a killer freaking workout.

I went an extra hard. Should have done arms. Didn't do arms a day. but next time. And just so excited. I had a bunch of other stuff before I got here and was really excited to be to be back here with the grit guys,

but more importantly to be with you, lock arms with you, to be on this show, man, this podcast studio is amazing. The Determined Society is amazing. Your freaking logo is amazing. Thank you. I need a logo.

Pat Sicken's. I need a logo. Pat Sikins. Something like that. It's just cool. Yeah, dude. Simple. I mean, look, man,

and it's numerology. It's a seven and a seven. I know, but the hat, I saw that, but like the hat logo, it looks just. I can't wait for that. I can't wait for that. All right. So can I, I'm going to put it on spot. Could I get some free swag man when that stuff comes out?

Yeah. Yeah. I think you don't know the guy. I think, Kevin. But no, I mean, like, listen, it's, it's all part of it. You know, like, but again, there's certain steps in the process. Like, I wanted a merch brand a long time ago, but nothing worked out. Sure.

Isn't it funny? Nothing worked out. And then you introduced me to Kevin Van Dusen. We knew of each other. Some of God's greatest gifts are on and answer prayers. Come on, man. And then we meet, like, we, I did his show and that was fun, bro. He's a really good interviewer.

I talk about Pat and, dude, are you talking? Kevin Van Duser. I am going to identify him on the air. Like, he is a very skilled interviewer. Yeah. Very skilled. Enjoyed that. Then we went to, uh, HQ.

Yeah. And then he took the, little, don't a little to shovel there. They're just, they just moved, but worse. It's going to be like another month from now. It's sick. It's unbelievable. Their products, that's true. I'm just telling you, it's a different fan when you put on one of their shirts.

And I'm not a golfer. My wife were nuts when I put these on. Dude, I'm like, you die? They just go off the, and the way the sleeves, and then they do the untucked. Yeah. And in the back of that, I think yours has the X of 20, verse 20, verse 20, and then verse 3. Yes, yeah. And then some of them have the Psalm 90.

They just have really cool spiritual, meaning behind. it, but the quality, and I just love their whole mission statement, which is there's been lots of goats, right? Look, I'm just being real. I'm not here to kiss your butt, but Sean French is a goat. I think Gary Brecker is the ultimate human is a goat. I think Jeff Delaney's a goat and tea clinic. He's done in the T clinics.

I think Tom Brady is a goat. I think Michael Jordan's a goat. But who's goaded? Who is the greatest of all times? Well, how about the career? How about God who created all of us? And that's what I love behind the, it's the, what do I stand for? What does determine society stand for?

What does Patrick Dearborn as a realtor or Patrick Dearborn as a fire commissioner stand for? You can do all the lip service you want, man. You could talk on this show all day long. But that logo means something because of the trials and tribulations you went through to get here. And there's that, that's the thing. I demand that from everybody within my company and everybody I work with. because here's the thing. The brand is the brand is the brand.

Like, we all have to live this. And it's not, I'm not asking anybody to do anything crazy. But if you're having a bad day and you're feeling like a victim, stop it. Right. You're alive. Yeah.

God didn't take you. No. You have time. Yeah. For right now, you have time to impact your day. Right? And like,

we live by a certain set of values, man. And if I don't live in my life, then I can't do it on the show. Yeah. You know, and I think that for a long time, there was a disconnect. right to where you know I was I'm gonna say dude I was a fat mess I was 31% body fat in December of last year

man I was 230 pounds bro what was your go to man what was your cheap was it culvers was it burgers was a fast food oh I love ice cream I'm not gonna I'm still not giving up ice cream good like kiss my ass I'm not giving it up listen I'm pro ice cream pro ice cream I've been pro ice cream I will eat a concrete mixer in one sitting call and not feel bad about it because you got up before I am and drop that leg off the bed. Come on. And drug your butt down to the gym. Exactly.

But like yesterday, I took my, my youngest to get a mixer. I didn't have one. But I can, I can now go, okay, I don't need it, nor do I want it right now. Right. But on the, when the, when Saturday comes and it's, and it's ice cream day, then, dude, I'm all about it. Ice cream day. Wow. I don't know.

It's usually Saturday. It's usually a sandwich night. I love ice cream. I love it all. But so, like, you know, for me, like, man, it was just. just like a multitude of things. It was stress. It was moving from corporate America to determine society full-time, financial struggle,

turned into, you know, temporary depression, which turned into laying on my couch all day unless I had to shoot a show. See, a lot of people don't understand. I always want to talk about it. And I'm going to say it right here. When I first came over with grit, I was upstairs recording, and those were the only two or three hours I was off the couch. broken bro broken and there was this disconnect of what the brand was saying and what i was doing right in my own personal life the moment i fixed that like i'm like hanging off a back of a freaking train i'm like can you slow down just a little bit so i can catch my breath but every time i think

it's going to slow down like it just goes and i'm like okay so now i have a choice i can feel my body I can feel my mind, I can feel my soul with good things so I can keep doing this or I cannot. Everybody has a choice. That's it. You all have choices. I hate to break it to you guys. You all have choices. But, you know, and not the choices that, well, I can't do this because my dad's going to make fun of me or I can't do this because my best friend's going to make fun of me.

Do you know me people patronized me for doing this? Oh my gosh. It was crazy amounts of people. Not only that when I left teaching to go into sales, my old coaching. buddies and my old, you know, co-workers at the school, who does he think he is, leaving school to go be a salesman, make all this money? He'll be back. Wow. No. I didn't go back. Behind every great plan is, if people are telling you it's not going to work, you know. Then you go hard. You like, you run towards the fire. And I feel as though we've done that here, right? We have ran,

I have ran towards the fire. And a lot of times my wife would say, okay, you need to run a little slower to the fire. I support you, but run a little slower. You're going too damn fast, too quick, but I'm a visionary. I don't have much strategy. You know, now I've gotten so much better over the years, right? Especially the last year of understanding process, understanding strategy. But this all ties in, right? This is all a part of this is the unsexy, boring part of building something pretty cool. Yeah, yeah. It is all the things. Pretty cool. All the things that nobody wants to do. Yeah. At least for an extended period of time. So we're sharp. Sean French, so I want to put a date right now.

One year from now, I want to meet back here. Where Sean French is going to be a year from now? Man, I think by a year from now, we'll have a steady, a steady list of A list people on the show consistently. I believe we will have our rookie deal by then, meaning, you know, a multi-year deal with a big platform that, you know, me and the team can look at it. Dang, we execute that.

And then we go for the $250 million deal in about six years. Love it. You know, but more than that, what I really hope outside of all the flashy things, because we need that in order to be successful and to give society the show and to keep it going and keep getting better and better and up-leveling it, you know, what I'm hoping by then is that the show is the focal point for everybody. And what I mean everybody, you know, I'm hoping to determine society becomes the brand of something like a Joe Rogan, something like a Gary Breggen.

Breka because that means people are going there to learn. People are going to the show to be fulfilled. That's what I ultimately want. I want to empower society to chase their damn dreams, no matter how they feel emotionally at the time. Also an HQ. Okay. I want an HQ with a gym in there.

That's awesome. You know. Clothing store. Clothing store. Maybe even a concrete mixer machine. Oh, dude. Come on. Let's go.

I'll do it. Culver. That's awesome. I'm calling you out. Oh, man. Colvers. Yeah, come on. Product placement.

No, but I just think that, you know, having an HQ can bring so much joy, man. So much joy to be able to get out of the house, even on my record and swipe the fob, walk into my own gym, and then hop in the shower there, hop in the cold plunge, whatever it is, man. I just massive, massive goals, man. But you know what? We'll never get there if we don't provide the people what they want, which is great conversation in a place where they can feel, welcome and not judged. Yeah, yeah. That's what we're at, man. That's awesome. I recorded everything you just said for one year from now, man. Listen, you're going to hold yourself to it. Absolutely. And I cannot wait to see you. Just keep being great, great, great. And again,

the best thing about you is I love that you're an encourager. You're a bright light in a dark world. We need more people like you, man. I mean that. And you're giving me some confidence and encouragement to go out and try to be more of an encourager in a light like you're doing. So I want to reach more people. I want to encourage more people like you do. And I'm just thankful that God put you and I together. Same. And we locked arms, you know, through the John Hoffman event on that panel with Jeff Delaney and myself and you and Lauren Maxwell was on there to the 239 show to here we are now with grit and you. And I'm on the Determined Society podcast. Going through just seeing all the people you've had on here was just pretty awesome.

So I was a little bit nervous. I don't get nervous, man, but I got a little bit nervous. Were you really? Yeah, man. I went home and changed outfits two times. Just doesn't wring out my eyes. Yeah. So you look good, man.

Yeah, well, listen, again, I got on that program combination of ultimate human protocols and Gary Breka. And then, of course, locally here, I go see Jeff for all the guidance and for all the stuff. And he got us on a program and just been game changing. changed my life, dude. Yeah. We're making, we're making 57 great again for sure. You're a young buck, man. I'm 40, I'm almost 47. Dude. I mean, I'm getting there, man. Ten years older than you. Man, crazy. That's crazy. That's awesome. But I mean, you don't look 57. Thank you, buddy. You don't. I mean, I thought you were. 55?

56 and a half. Okay, cool. No, no. I'll take it. I mean, I thought you were, you know, 48, 50. Listen, you know why I share with you that little, we won't go into today, but just to sit here right now. I mean, my journey could have ended back in 1968, man. So by the grace of God, I'm here. I'm trying to get through this day and not disappoint my creator. I'm trying to be better in a variety of ways. I don't want to fall short, I'm sure. Sure. But what did you just say? Don't give up. Don't surrender.

Be determined. Keep plugging away. Every morning, no matter how I feel, matter what life throwing at me, no matter what Satan's whispered in my ear, I'm not worthy enough, I'm not good enough, I'm a failure, I gotta take that leg, drop that out of the bag.

Depending on what side of the bed you sleep. I'm on the left side. Same side. Yeah, I'm on the same side. So I go to the left leg out. Okay. Yep.

Yeah, dude. I'll lay there for another second or two. 40s or alarm goes off. Yeah, man. Well, dude, I didn't get out, I didn't roll out of bed until 409. I laid there for nine minutes. Yeah.

It felt like two seconds. How many alarms one more? Just one. I only sat one. Okay. I only said, and I never hit. So you only hit once,

you don't hit snooze, but you still lay there for night without falling back of sleep. Yeah, I did. I didn't fall back to sleep because here's the thing about...

My key's going back every five minutes. Yeah. Because here's the thing about commitment, right? It's like, I set the intention the night before. And everybody can, you know,

say, I'm going to go to the gym in the morning. You know if you're going to go to the gym in the morning. You know if you're going to get up in the morning and read. You know you're going to wake up in the morning

and make your kids lunches or drive to 7-11. You've already made that determination. So stop lying to yourself the night before. And make the commitment. Like, make the damn commitment. So for me, it was just like, there's no falling back asleep because my Jiminy Cricket is firing constantly, right? It's just, that's, that's me.

Yeah. I can't wait to be back here a year from now. I'm going to see a bunch between now and then, but and see this podcast going to even greater heights, man. So super excited to see all that. That's freaking awesome. Yeah, I'd like to get tied in with the community a lot more, too. I want to get out there and I want to do some live shows and I want to...

We'll get you plugged in. Yeah, I want to get plugged in, man. I love to do something at Seed to Table. I think that'd be really fun. Be awesome. I think that'd be really fun, man. I just want to keep doing what I'm doing. Me and Colin will make that happen, man.

We'll get you on there for sure. Be fun, man. Let me ask you one more question. Go ahead. I get a good question. I'll stay around. I could literally talk to you for like a thousand more hours. This is such a great conversation.

Wow. But when we talk... I understand about what we've been throwing the word determination around a lot right you know but what is your definition of of determination what does it look like for you it's it's deeper than people think because it's not gritty it's not sexy determination to me means a couple things one doing things the right things even when nobody's look and the lights aren't on and the newspaper's not there and the iPhone's not recording it for social media and yet I'm still being the best me I could be yeah that's a that's a determining attribute it also means never surrendering

never given up and that's just woven in my fabric look I'm an abortion clinic survivor meaning that by the grace of God and thanks to my birth mom I could have been wiped off and thrown to a trash can back in 1968 in Washington, D.C. And the guy had another plan for me. So ever since then, I've been, and I found out about that, even before I found out about that, and my birth mom found me 53 years later, I still had this thing instilled inside me, which was a never give up, never surrender attitude, and a determined attitude of, I want to make everybody around me better, encouraging, et cetera.

I've always been that way. And I've always felt blessed to God for whatever reason, being stabbed, being shot, going through windshields of cars, spending a night in jail. All those things have happened to me. And those were all things that God put me through to make me always feel like,

man, God has given me so much, so many blessings. I'm not rich. I don't ever want to be rich. I've never asked to be rich. What I asked to be is just, I'm fat, is to give me the ability to speak and to be able to praise him and to give thanks for everything he's given me. And he knows my heart.

Now look, I'm a wild man. That's the word. It is what it is. God knows. Only God knows, but I'm a wild man. But God knows my heart. And my heart always wants to do things for other people, regardless of who's around, who's looking.

and that to me is part of that determined thing. But again, being an abortion clinic survivor and being here by the grace of God gives me a perspective very unique and very determined to keep pushing forward to not feel sorry for myself ever and to make sure and be determined

that I make everybody around me even better and that's my definition. I love it, man. You know, because determination isn't about the hustle culture, right? No. You know, and when I first start. That's flashy.

It is flashy. It's click. Cool. And look, man, I fell into it at the very beginning. Yep. You know, build on TikTok. It's neat, but it's not sustainable. And, you know, determination to me is just doing what you said you were going to do long

after the emotion wears off. My good friend Dan Tufferello, he was my boss at Paychecks turned into one of my best friends ever. We still talk constantly is not enough, though, actually. Not enough, Dan. the true definition of commitment to him was doing what you said you're going to do long after the emotion wears off

and commitment, determination, resilience, it's all one big ass umbrella. It's like if you can still move forward every day no matter if it's a little bit, right? Because some days are going to be better. You're going to have bigger leaps and bounds. You're going to feel like an Olympic triple jumper. Yeah, some day you're lucky to get in it.

Some day yesterday I'm like, oh man, you know, I can't even really function very well today. and it was a frustrating day. But the cool part about yesterday was, and I want to share this with you, I want to share this with the audience. It was the first day in years

I was able to do parent pickup line from my little one. And so I said to my wife, I'm like, hey, do I pick her up for aftercare or parent pickup? I'm like, and she's like, well, preferably I'm like, yeah, yeah, yeah.

But, you know, I got some things to do. She goes, you're always going to have things to do. can you not pick her up from parent pickup or do you just want more time to do some things for work? I said, you know what? I'm going to do parent pickup. You're right.

Great question. Thank you. She's amazing, dude. She's, I mean, she sounds eternal. She holds my ass down, bro. But, you know, so I picked, I picked her up. And I took her right home. And, you know, I immediately, I did the shower routine with her,

did her hair, brushed it. then we read her book for school. Then she did her math. And then she helped me grill burgers. Wow. And then I took her to Culver's to get her little mini mixer. Yeah. And then we played sorry when we got home.

Wow. And then it was just almost amazing to me how easy it was to get her down for the night at 715. She was out. I cuddled her. She put her chest right here. And I stayed there until, you know, she was asleep. But, but dude, that day, like, I needed that day with my littlest one. I needed it so badly and I didn't even know.

Yeah. Like, I just, what a great day. So the day, the daytime was stressful. I didn't get everything I wanted to get done or I don't feel like I, but I move forward as a human being and as a father yesterday. And, you grew. And that's determination. It is.

You know, because there's a bunch of little sticking points. I don't know if we should play sorry. And she wanted to do all four, all four colors, just us to. So the game of sorry was like a damn game of monopoly. It took forever. She ended up winning. She won both. She won both.

So anyway, that's not like the best day ever, though, right? So, you know, Colin and I talk, he goes and picks up his kid. I miss that. There's been days when, because my son's home, my youngest, my son's graduated from college. He's home right now trying to figure out his next steps. and he's written some great scripts. He's got a minor in film and a degree with honors from Florida State University and Finance.

All this heart and passions, film and writing scripts. I've registered already with the Screen Actress Guild. So anyway, we'll see how that journey takes them. But the point is, I would, there's days when I would give any amount of money, any big real estate commission, any accolades, anything,

to have just one more night of coaching, him in Pee-We football, or Pee-Wee basketball. One more night of playing a board game, like we would play Stratego, which is that, you know, me against you, like a chess game with bombs and flags

and generals and different ranking people. And are just, we still watch movies together, but I miss those times and they're young like that. So I'm glad to hear you're cherishing those moments. Yeah, man. And that you're determined

to never let that go to make sure you're going to make time. So what I heard is your determined society moment is and your pledge to yourself is, I'm going to always make time for your kids. And I love that. That to me is really the biggest thing you can do. It really is, man. And again, you know, to clarify that.

No amount of money, no watch, no car, no, no podcast guests, no nothing will ever play ever. And I do the breakfast, the snacks, the lunches, the dinners. Like I'm, I'm, I'm there. You're present. I'm home. By the way, that doesn't mean it's easy. No, I don't.

Because life and you trying to blow up. The determined society and all that stuff is not easy, man. It ain't easy for anybody in this room. No. That's what's cool with it. We've got to always remember. Everybody's in the same rat race. Yep.

So we got to lean on each other, man. Iron sharpens iron. It's okay to tell somebody, man, I'm really struggling with. I hate carline. We're all, I have to sit there and bumper to bumper traffic away from my kid. It drives me crazy. And the lady outside is so slow. This is me, not you back of my day.

I would like, I would always have to pee in parents. I'd want to get out of Carline and reorganized carline because carline wasn't moving back enough. Exactly. That's me. Have you ever had a Pee in Carline? Yes. It's the worst,

bro. Horrible. It's like the worst pain ever. You know what my problem is? What's that? I can't mind my own business. So I got to get everybody else's business, including the car line people.

Why can't they run a better job? Why can't everything run like Chick-fil-A drive-thru? Yeah, man. It's the best run drive-through operation in America. Why can't school line run like that? Why not? Why can't Chick-fil-A go conference them and teach them and train them how to run a school loan? Chick-fil-A.

Or another show. Oh, man. Well, dude, thank you. John, you've been awesome. Thank you, brother. Thanks for pleasure. For those of you watching, go check out my boy, Patrick Dearborn. All stuff will be in the links and the show notes.

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