Determined Society with Shawn French | Adversity & Mindset - From Playboy Bunny to Reality TV Star: Shanice Henderson's Untold Story | Exclusive Interview

Episode Date: November 4, 2024

Get ready for an engaging episode of The Determined Society with Shawn French as he sits down with the dynamic Shanice Henderson from Bravo’s Summerhouse: Martha's Vineyard. Discover her journey from sports and sales to reality TV and the ups and downs that come with being in the public eye. Shanice opens up about her experiences, including how she navigates social media criticism, copes with mental health challenges, and the unexpected moments that shaped her life. Tune in for a candid conversation filled with personal insights, laughter, and a dose of inspiration. Whether you're a fan of reality TV or looking to hear from a resilient and ambitious individual, this episode is a must-watch! Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

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They watch and I know it's time. I confirmed. A whole society, Determine. What's up, everybody? Welcome back to the Determine Society. I'm your host, Sean Fritch. I have an amazing guest today as I crushed my microphone here. But I want to say, if this is your first time ever listening or watching the show,

hit subscribe on YouTube or Apple or Spotify, leave a review. tell me what you love about the show. Today we're going to have an amazing conversation. I have my new friend, Janice Henderson with me. She's from the Summer House at Motho's Vineyard, correct? Yes. On Bravo, season one and two or just season two?

Season one and two. Season one and two. Part time, season one, full time. Okay, okay. And we're pulling for a season three because she's an amazing human being. And we're here in the studio now at Exposure, studios in Naples Ford.

And we were just at the OmniPlaying Pickleball, but thanks for not embarrassing. Right. Well, I did. You did? A little bit. I swung and missed a couple times. Like, I didn't feel completely like a fish out of water.

I felt like I play one more time and I'm fucking you up. Like I got you. We'll see. I got you. We'll see. I don't know. Next time. It was fun, though.

It was actually a lot of fun. It was fun. I had a great time. It was great. But do you thank you so much for coming down. You're welcome. You had a long drive today. I did.

And we've had a good morning. but I'm just exciting to share who you are and your story with the audience. So for those of you that don't know, Shanice, she was born in North Dakota, South Dakota. South Dakota. South Dakota. South Dakota. I know. It's a Dakota.

So tell everybody about you growing up and what you were into and just kind of your journey. So I'm from South Dakota. I'm born and raised. I played sports all my life. So I played basketball, ran track. What else did I play? Tossball, tennis, soccer. Every sport you could probably, hockey, I played hockey.

I was a goalie. Stop. Stop. You were a goalie. Yes. So let's talk about a holy girl. Let's talk clearly. You could have been on the mighty ducks.

Yeah. No, I was actually, I was like great, but I wanted to try it. And I actually played hockey instead of basketball. Interesting. Third grade. Wow. Yes. How?

Okay. So this is an interesting thing because I, I've honestly done a lot of background on you. And we've had a lot of great conversations over the last few weeks. Yeah. You're very strong mentally. And so, like, did hockey play a part in that? Like, did sports play a part of that? I would say hockey did, but definitely sports.

Okay. It helps. I feel like anytime you play sports, it helps you in the long run. Because you're with a team. You know, you're working with people. It's just, and I was a point guard playing basketball. So I'm a leader. So I like telling people what to do.

Okay. Like, I feel like I have the power. And being like, no, we're running this play. We're not doing that. You're doing this. You're doing that. So I like that. It's an interesting angle because, like, you know, a lot of people, when we talk about sports, right? And we talk a lot about on the show.

And I'm glad we're going on this road right away is, you know, sports changed my life. Right. Playing just the game of baseball got me places and in rooms and meeting people that I would never meet. And to a point, like, I think the brand, right, or the show, if I was. If I wasn't an athlete and have that credibility, I don't know what this would even even been. Exactly. But then you got a lot of people like, hey, it's just not sports. No, it truly is.

Like you learn a lot about life. What did sports teach you about life? Honestly, just seeing different things, culture. Like even for AAU, I traveled so much to where I was seeing like what is in each state. Because living in South Dakota, it's so close. Like you don't know really what's going on in different states. So just seeing like different cultures. It is a culture shock just going to do different places.

But it just made me a more, I would say a riskier person taking risk. Like I moved to L.A. when I was 23. And I think playing sports helped me do that. Just being like a leader and just being like trusting myself more. And just moving to L.A. by myself. Moving to New York by myself. Living by myself with no parents around me. So I feel like that just made me a very like very mentally strong.

Yeah, it's a really good point, right? Because you're talking about risks as it pertains to, you know, being a leader, a point guard, an athlete, and taking certain risks in your life that normally people wouldn't take. And it's funny because I find I take a lot of risks that even sometimes a wife is like, dude, what are you doing? But like my mind just works in a way of like everything is figure out of them, right? It's not even a word, but, you know, my sister-in-law, Michelle always says that. So that's our thing. figure outable um you know really like no matter what risk you take there's always a way for it to pay off you know and i took a risk when i started the show everything like that but you moving to

la when you were 23 that is a big life event that i don't want to under look i want to really touch on that what was your experience like when you got out there i didn't know no there literally i had my model friends which they weren't the closest to me right so i was lost completely lost. I lived in the studio apartment in Korea Town. No one can drive there. It's very busy. It's very lonely. I mean, I lived in Arizona, so it was only like a six-hour drive. So I could go home whenever I wanted. But it was still just I didn't know anybody but the Playboy playmate girls and like that's it. So it's hard. And then I was dating somebody, but he lived in a lebrose state. He played in the NFL and that was a mess. So

move. Kind of want the tea on that. I don't want to touch on that. Yeah. So that happened. And it was just, I was lonely. But I did it for six months.

And I just decided, I was like, you know what? I don't like this. Girls are very catty out there. They're not the nicest. It was hard to meet friends. It was just,

it wasn't fun. Yeah. And I did the modeling thing. I was making money, but it's not like income coming in all the time. So I was stressed out about that. It just, it wasn't for me.

Money creates stress. But yeah. So you were a Playboy Bun. Yes. Miss April. Miss April. Yes. I didn't know that.

Yeah. 2014? Yeah. 2014. Yeah. 2014. So this April 2014 right here. That's interesting to me, right?

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Message privately with everyone. Learn more at WhatsApp.com. Yeah. It was a lot. I mean, I saw a lot. It was fun, though. I opened up a lot of doors, and I think that also helped me with my confidence, too,

and being like, oh, like, I am pretty, you know, like, okay. Because when I grew up, I, like, grew up, I had glasses. I wasn't, I didn't think I was the cutest anyways, but, like, and then I had braces and the retainer. and like, you know, the whole space in between my teeth. Oh, you have the space? Yeah. You have the space?

A huge gap. Yeah. Like, so I feel like Playboy helped me just with my confidence in like becoming who I am today. And I love being around people and that I had to be around people all the time, Playboy, because I'm doing like serving. We used to work at parties at the mansion. And I would go up and we'd be servers. So I was serving different celebrities at parties.

And you can't just be like shy going up to get like, hey, like, how are you? So that helped me with that. And that's why I'm in sales today. So I feel like my whole life kind of like all my experiences just kind of like add up. And they're just all in one now. And I'm like a people person. And like I love being around people. But if you think about what I grew up in, obviously like it's weird how things like,

dude, that's badass. Right. Like I'm like, huh. You know what? I've been doing this my whole life. It's I fucking love introspective people like you because it's like that moment, that six months in LA, Miss April 24. 14, you know, there's people who have a look at them like, oh, yeah, no, that's not,

but that helped you. But help me with my confidence. It helped me, like, be outgoing. I wasn't this outgoing. Like, no, no, in high school and like, call it. Hell, no, no. That's crazy. No, I was so quiet.

Yeah. My basketball coach in high school used to call me shy because I wouldn't talk to him. Really? I would not say a word to them. They thought something was wrong with me. There might be. I know, I mean, it might be out of course. There might be.

like a thousand things. Right. There's a lot of things wrong. Yeah. We'll get to that next segment. Yeah. When I was younger, he was like, why is she talking? Like, what?

Like, I was just so shy. Yeah. And, like, the way I would, like, make the plays in my head, I would just like, I would just watch it and just do it, but I wouldn't say anything to him. So more introverted back then. Yeah, I was like, okay. And I would just do it. And then he's like, what is wrong with her?

I'm calling her shy. But, like, now I'm like, yep, yep. Dude, that's so boy. It just shows. It just shows. Yeah. You know, I always like to educate the audience. listening or watching right now is,

is stepping out of your comfort zone, right? And doing something that others may feel as like, okay, not for them and may judge, but at the same time, like, it could enrich your whole life. In your life, it helped you. It shaped who you are. Right. And I think that the big thing is, it's just being a little more open, right,

and more talkative and being able to network. If any, if it taught you anything, being able to network has set yourself up. So you're in sales now. Yeah. So I'm in sales now and I'm going business to business and making deals and closing deals now. You're selling software, right?

Yeah. Point of sales. Yes. That's a grind. Software. It is. It's hospitality. It is a grind.

So is it only hospitality? Do you do restaurants or is it just hotels? Restaurants. Yeah. Restaurants, hotel, like the whole thing. What's your geographical area? Tampa. Just Tampa?

Yep. Just Tampa. Tampa. Yeah. So you can't do business anywhere else. No. Really? What if you ask for permission?

I don't think they would care. If I got like a deal somewhere else like in Miami or something I ask, I don't think they would. Okay. I've never done that. In the payroll industry, we used to have this cross the thing called crossover, right? Oh, yeah, yeah. And you would have to request permission to talk to this prospect based on some type of referral connection, like a CPA, a banker, current client. Right.

I don't know. Just my mind just like how to help, you know. Right. That's cool. What do you enjoy about business to business? Talking to people and building relationships. Like, it's just so easy to me. I don't know what it is.

Like, I'll walk into an office and they'll have like, I don't know, like a football team up. And I'm like, oh, like, you're into football. Like, oh, yeah, that team sucks or something. Like to make them laugh or just do something. Your teams are shit. Yeah, like, oh, your team did horrible. I want to take that off the wall. Yeah, I don't even go and sell like what I'm actually selling.

Like, I'm not going to walk in there and be like, oh, here's my device or POS system. Like, whatever. Like, I just go in and I have a conversation with them. But that sales, right? Yeah. That sounds like I was on the phone with you this morning. Yeah. I was at Publix and you heard the conversation.

Right. I ran into somebody into it. I was like, hey dude, are you still with the company? So I'm like, hey, I have my own company. I like, he goes, can you please come in tomorrow? Like, there you go. It's a lot of times. And I think that this is what's.

And you're always working. Right. Always. It doesn't stop. But like people think sales is about selling somebody something. And I think we've all gotten into that mindset. Right. And that's when we struggle.

Right. But sales is more of like, the relationship building, the conversations. And like once you have that relationship, it's like, yo, how can I help? Right. Like, how can I help? And that, again, that experience in LA, that experience in York has led you to the ability to do this business to business.

Because I'm not shy. I just go in and I just, you myself and say something stupid or no, like, what? Like, oh, yeah, well, what are you selling? Why are you here? And I'm like, oh, and then they want to know. Exactly. Oh, she's nice. She's cool.

Like, what are you selling? Yeah, I mean, it's... Why are you in my office? I'm like, well... It's a dynamic, right? Yeah. It's... I think the biggest,

the hardest part about sales is actually getting off your ass and walking through the door. That's literally, once you do that, you're good. It's game over, right? Right. Because I think that a lot of times,

you know, business and business sales reps, they go in and they see, you know, that crotchety old gatekeeper and they shut down. But it's hard, right? But it's like, you know, like, just be kind of them because you don't know, that could be the owner, especially in small businesses,

like in, you know, restaurants that you call on. It's like, you know, you got to be careful how you ask that question. You know, I was like, hey, I'm looking for so-and-so. Would you be that person? Yep. And then you do your pitch.

You do your job and get a close. Yep. Yep. Up in the room. So damn. So, so college basketball. Yes. Okay.

Sales. Playboy Bunny. Reality TV. Reality. So let's talk about the reality TV. Yeah. So, all right. So talking about Summerhouse Martha's Vine.

Yeah. So Summerhouse Martha's Vineyard. It's filmed in Martha's Vineyard. And so I was friends with these girls before the show aired. We all used to work at the Playboy Club in New York together. And we would go to Martha's Vineyard every summer. And Bravo was looking for a group of friends that visit the vineyards. And they reached out to us.

And we're like, oh, why not? So then they found a group of guys. Another instance where your time in LA. A risk. I'm a risk taker. I'll do it. So then that happened. And we're in a house in Martha's Vineyard for a month.

and we're, it's a shared house, and we're basically turning up, having parties, fighting, okay. Everything, I mean, like you do, you get an Airbnb for your friends, and shit goes down.

Dude, it's so funny, it's like, because I, like, I met you through a mutual contact, right? So it's not like I, you know,

watch your show. I'm like, oh, I have to have a, I need to go watch the show. You do. Because I've been just so interested in you as a person, right?

I like that, because most people will watch a show and then judge me off the show, to where you actually met me now. So you know how I am. So you'll watch the show and be like, what? Is she like that? I like that's so funny.

Because it's like, like I talk to you on a, I would say like a pretty regular basis. Like we touch point like a couple times a week. And you know, like I like doing it that way. And then going back and be like, that's, yeah, that's not. Right. Because people think I'm like, party girl. And I'm like, you guys.

That's what it says on the internet. Yeah, I know. I know. I mean, I am. Girl, She needs. I love the party. I like to go out. I'm single.

I'm single. Like I said, I'm single. No pets. No kids. No pets thing. Why not? But I mean, I do have a normal life. I don't drink like that.

Only like when I'm out with my friends. But like I go to the gym. I go to Pilates. I go to work. You're going to be an instructor. Yeah, I'm going to be a Pilates instructor at Trumbull. So like I have a normal life.

No, totally. Like I'm not this crazy woman that's like out every weekend and drinking every night. like what the show makes me to be. Like I actually have goals. I'm a normal human. Like I like to have fun, of course, but who doesn't? Like I love Sunday fun days. I love watching football games.

I love sports. I like, you know, like, but I do have a normal life. It's so funny because like I'm sitting here thinking like if they put my ass in a house for a month with a bunch of my homies, baseball friends, or even like, dude, even my business partners. Yeah. Even my boys at grit. Like we would like it would be.

That's what I'm saying. Like don't do that. Like what do in a house full of your friends? I would be the villain. Oh yeah. I'd be the villain. I'm crazy one. That I would catch me saying some dumb shit.

And you forget the cameras are even there sometimes and which is not a good thing sometimes. I bet. I bet. I forget and like that's on camera. I thought they're going to use that. Yeah. Actually, I farted once on camera. Did you?

Yes. And they got it. Oh no. Oh no. I thought it was going to be silent. And I'm sitting there, I'm eating chip. I'm lactose intolerant. And I was eating cheese, like cheese chips.

And I was like, fuck. I was like, oh, my God, I have to fart. And then you farted on camera. And it was like, oh, God. Did it, did it smell, though? No, it didn't. It did not. Thank God.

Could you imagine? I know. And everyone's like, you fart in public and you on camera. And a steaky ass. Like that'd be the killer. It was just like an air. Do that's some funny shit? But I forgot the cameras were there.

And I was like, that. Dang it. And they used it. That sucked up. And they used it. You know. Yeah. Is anything sacred?

No. Is anything sacred anymore? Well, I mean, hey, at least people know you fart. Yeah, right? I'm like, well, that's out. Dude. I fart. That's so funny a shit.

Literally. Yeah. I was going to ask you is, you know, all these experiences, yes, you live a normal life. You're a normal human being. Right. Right. But surprisingly. But surprisingly.

The farter over here. Yeah. Right. This is such a fun. It's such a fun job. It's like this is my life, really? This is my fucking life. But like I think like a big part of being a public figure.

What I'm starting to learn in my early journey, what three and a half, four years in, is there's massive mental health that is tied to or lack thereof sometimes, you know, when we're dealing with all this stuff. So like going on the show, having the world perceive you as something other than who you truly are, how did that affect you? And how did you overcome those things? Well, I'm not going to lie. I was pretty depressed after like my first season. Just because people judge so much.

And I'm like, what? Like, you don't even know me. Like, I'm not even that person. Like, you have no idea, like, the story about, like, I have my ex. And I don't really. Can you tell me the story? I don't know the story. I actually don't like talking about it.

Don't talk about it. You brought it up. Don't talk about it. But like just even that situation, people would judge me based off that. And I'm like, why? Like, you don't even know the real story. So like that and then it's just like, people would just judge just from TV. And I'm like, you don't know me.

So just like even like the comments, I try not to read them. I always put my comments on like, I just don't even go on social media when like our show airs. So that's helping me a lot. That's good. And I've been through so much I feel like in my life. kind of help my mental health, like even like the playboy thing. Like I've had people call me a slut ho, like all this stuff. And I feel like just doing that and like going through that kind of helped me get through this situation just because I'm like, just ignore it. No. Don't read it.

I used to work at Hooters and like people, guys would say the craziest things. Oh, I bet. So yeah. And I'm so honestly, it affected my mental health. I'm not going to lie. Like I was kind of like, even after airing, I get like PTSD from like cameras and stuff. And like, I feel like people are like following me because we get followed all day. And I feel like people are watching me. So I'll sit in my room for like a week after filming and just like not do anything. It's like. It's like.

It's like the detoxify. Right. Yeah. So I'm just like. It's my cleanse. Yeah. For like a week. So I mean, I feel like Playboy kind of helped me get through all the like shit talking.

And like I'm very strong. Like I read that on you. I'm very, very strong. And like I work in sales. So I get denied. I get rejected. all the time. So I'm kind of just used to like, I don't know, maybe I'm just numb to it. Yeah. That's good. Like, yeah, I'm just like, I don't even care anymore. I'm just like,

honestly, like, you're going to get who I am. Like, I think there's a- We're going to judge you no matter what. Right. No, of course. No matter what you do. You can be perfect and people are going to say something. And I've learned that from being on TV. Like, I told one of my friends that's on reality TV, I'm like, you can't comment on everything that people say. But you just, you can't. Like, do you think Kim Kardashian comments on everything, thing. No, she doesn't care. No. Like you, people are going to judge. She's built an empire. She doesn't give it. Right. She doesn't care about anything. So you got

to just ignore it and let it go. Like, I don't care. Like people would be like, oh, like, shit, because there's like a scene where I went skinny dipping. Well, I would. Pull it up, Johnny. Just kidding. I went down a slip and slide, butt naked on TV. Okay. And people are like, oh my God. Like, she never has any clothes on. Like just being like me. I'm like, guys, I'm in a house. with my closest friends. I mean, yeah, I get it.

I'm on TV, but I don't care. You know they're not in show. Like I'm having fun. Yeah, I'm blurred out. Like, it's whatever. Like, ignore it. Like, move on. Like, you're sitting on.

Like, they didn't skinny death. Right, exactly. You're sitting on the couch watching me on TV. Exactly. Like, yeah. And I would tell people that. I'm like, dude, it's funny because I'm like thinking of this thing as you're going through this, you know, conversation of not looking at your comments after

your film or when your show airs. Like, dude, there's a large part of. mental toughness there. Right. And I think that comes from sales. I think that comes from being a, you know, an athlete, right? Right. Because even when you're an athlete, you get like, people talk shit about you all

time, had a horrible game. Oh, like, what were you doing? Like, that was horrible. Like, you get, so I think I'm just like numb to it. Like, every, all my situations in life, I think it's just like, I'm just like, I don't care. What it takes a special person to follow through with not reading the comments. Right.

So you have to be mentally tough. Mentally tough. Because like, do their shit, like. Like we posted a video when I had Clay on, you know, and YouTube was killing me for my ears. Yeah. And like in my eyes, I'm like, man, fuck y'all. Right. Like here.

And dude, like, I'm not going to lie. I'm a human being, right? I'm like, it hurt my feelings. Right. It did. But because, like, those were the things that people made fun of me for when I was a kid. Right. And I sat there for a second.

And then I just put big eyes, you know, or like a cry, smiley face. crying, like laughing, like, and they stopped. There's a way to diffuse people. Right. And so let's talk about that. Yeah. So as there's a lot of,

you know, public figures that listen to the show that are, had have been on the show and will be coming on the show. And for me, it's like when someone comes at you, you have to meet them with a certain energy. Or, you know, maybe I'm doing it wrong because I should come out of them with more because then shit goes more viral. But I like to

diffuse it because to me, I have, two beautiful daughters, a wife and a son, I need to be in a good energy. Right. Right. So, like, how do you diffuse people? So if someone says something negative under my comments, like I said, I don't usually do them, but if I do, I will literally, someone will say, oh, like, you need to keep your clothes on.

I will come at them with a positive comment. I will say, oh, you know what? Your glasses are so cute in your photo. And they'll be like, they will literally be like, oh, my God, like, I didn't mean what I said. Like, I love you. And I'm like, oh, so you just want me to reply to you. But you just want my attention.

That's all it is, dude. Because they see you as somebody bigger than life, larger than life, because you're on TV and you have a good platform on social media. And, you know, people give a shit about you. Yeah. And so I did a video with my production team probably, like not even a year ago, it was about if you think baseball is born, it's not the sport for you. And I go all off in the fucking trolls.

came out dude and like oh fuck this guy he doesn't know he's talking about I'm just like yeah I guess I was kind of wrong dude I think pitch clock is okay yeah and then they come back like I'm so sorry I'm like hey dude it's cool man like I

you don't you don't look at me as a person and then you comment and you say some shit and I come back to you with empathy and then they follow me right and they're like okay there's a new there's a new fan yep like right so like I was telling you earlier today about the marriage video I did.

I thought I was going to get killed for that video. And I did not. And I told Mike, I didn't, I took a risk. I'm scared. I'm scared to put this out. Yeah. Remember, I was like, I talking to my production team, it's raw and unedited. I'm going to do it.

But like, I was like, dude, I don't want to put this out. I was like, bro, like, pretty much said, we're fucking putting it out. Yeah. It's good. And it was true. And I got one piece of hate on, on tech, of course it was TikTok. Of course. It's always TikTok.

And it was just like saying how. was, you know, promoting toxicity in a relationship and selling it as passion. Yeah. I said, I completely can understand how you would see that. That is not what I'm doing. See? She didn't even respond. They just want you to like, fuck.

Right. You know, it's like, but to the point, like, yeah. And I think this message is important for the listeners because there's so many people right now listening to the show that don't understand how quickly the hate or the pressure. sure from social media can come. And that's why my kids are not having a phone to the right. Great. They're not getting social media. I'll get my kid a flip phone. Fuck that.

Right. I agree. Yeah, I mean, fuck. But it's like, but I also think there's a bright light in social media. Without social media, I'm not sitting here with you. Right. I mean, there's definitely positive things. There's amazing things about social media. Make money. And I just think that we have to understand how to navigate it.

Right. And some, like, some people's brains aren't fully formed, dude. No. There's some soft fucking shells out there, man. The shit that you see. Oh, yeah. Good God. Like, how are these people even looking at themselves in the mirror

with the shit that they're saying? I don't know. It's nuts. I don't know. They're just bored. So what's going on? Season three, is it happening? Like, what are we looking at?

Well, season three is on pause right now. I'm praying next summer we'll be put on. No dudes. Yeah. No dudes. We need men. Where are you guys at? What's the requirements?

Fun. Be fun. There's no fun, dude? No. They're so boring. I mean, just like, you got to like, like, you know, be like me, but a guy. So you want to like, I need guys that are like on the show that want to have fun, that drink and are just a good time. Chill, outgoing, tall.

Tall. Got to be tall. Yeah. Gotta be tall. A height requirement of 6.6. 6.m. That's, dude, Jesus. I'm just kidding.

But no, just a fun, a good time. Like, don't worry about your image too much. Yeah. Like, I get you have to worry about your image a little bit. Sure, of course. Yeah, we need, we need chill outgoing guys. Well, I hope it happens because I want to see season one season two. Yeah.

And I want to film it really bad. I miss it. I love being on Canada. I know you do. I need to create another show and have me as a host. I do. I do. It's in the works.

Talk to your people, do. Yep. Probably. Well, problem. It didn't be fun, man. That would be fun. That would be so much fun. It would be so much fun.

He's like, I don't know what kind of show would be, but. I don't know. I feel like you'd be good like a game show host. Like, like, yeah. Okay. Kind of like, yeah. Like what kind of game? I don't know. Not like a love show, but like challenges too.

But like you're in the house. Maybe maybe some love. Yeah. I can see. I can do a dating show. Yeah, maybe like a dating show. Hold on. I'm like, honey.

I meant host the dating show. Just want to be very, very clear. I think it would be fun. I think it would be fun. Like do like a dating show, but games too. Like, like the old school newlywed games. meets, have you ever heard about a newlywag game? No.

I used to watch with my parents back in the day. Oh, okay. Like these newlyweds would get on. Yeah. And then they would ask questions and they would answer them, say how well you knew your. Oh, you're dangerous. It was dangerous. That would be dangerous.

I can't believe you didn't know. No, I'd be totally down to be a host on something. That'd be fun. That would be a separate project. I think it wouldn't be too much work. I think it would be like a month. And you already know people would be on the show and stuff. You have.

I do. Public figures. Yeah. Great. That'd be fun. Yeah. I think it would be amazing. I think we need to talk to some people after this.

I think we could. I think we do. A little pitch. And we need to do it. I'm down. You want a co-host or you want to be in it? I want to be in it. Oh, you want to be in it?

I can co-host though, too. I can do both? Can I be like do one season of me in it and then like I'll co-host the next? I think being in the action. Yeah. Yeah. I'm really competitive. Yeah, I want to be more of like as a host.

I think it's cool because like, but like, you know, like I want to be more involved. You know, because like, if you look at love is blind, right? Right. Which this season is a fucking dumpster fire. Don't even get me started. No, I'm getting you started. It's a dumpster fire. It is a dumpster fire.

Like three couples making it to the altar, which is tonight. Is it Wednesday? It's Wednesday. Oh, it is. Oh, my God. Yes. Oh, shit. In the reunion.

Oh, yes. I'm so excited to get home now. I know. I forgot all about that. Hey, can we arrest you stuck out? Yeah. I don't need to. We don't need to eat lunch.

I need to do lunch. I'm going to do it. Oh, my wife would shoot me if I watch it without it. But no, I just think that, like, I don't know where we got going with that. But, like, you know, finding the right people is so important. But, yeah, this season is. The season's very messy. I don't know what those producers or the casting director.

I don't know if they didn't do any, like, background checks or what. I don't know. I can't speak on that, but I know it's entertaining. It is very entertaining. It just, it's. It seems like they're just not there for the right reasons, though. It's just like, you know why they're there, obviously. But that's the other thing, too, to your point, right?

Like, we don't know them, right? We don't know everything else going on. Right. You have no idea. But like, we're watching it. So now I'm the person watching and judging these people. And I'm like, wait a minute. Yeah.

Now I'm like, walk, I can't do that. Damn it, Janice. I know. I'm like, she's don't judge them. Don't know what's going on. We got season three. We got season three coming up. I know.

And now I'm like, but that's why I don't judge my friend. That's on my. TV because I'm like, I can't do that because I don't know what's going on. So I have two friends that were on that show. Clay, obviously. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Mutual friends. And then Kelly.

Right. And she was like the first person, in my opinion, to get killed because she said no at the altar. Oh, okay. She was season one. Yes. Oh, I remember. Yes.

And she is sweetheart. She's amazing. Hi, Kelly. She's great. She's been on my show. I want to do it again with her in person, but she's just incredible human. but like we know these people and to me the hardest thing about doing interviews like I'm doing this interview with you now it'll post yeah our our our clips will post and some like oh you interviewed her

did you did you know this did you know she did this yes I didn't know about the skinny like who gives a shit who cares who gives the shit so like so my thing is like I used to run naked through the streets when I was 12 years old me my baseball buddies Hey, let's, you know, let's go streaking through. That's on my bucket list. I was like, I've always wanted to do that. I was the original Will Ferrell going streaking through the quad into the gymnasium. Who cares?

That's what we did. Yeah. Idiots, right? But like when we know these people, I'm like, I know you now. And when it comes out, right? And people are like, I take that personal. But nobody knows Clay. Right. Nobody knows you.

Nobody knows Kelly. Like, I know these people, right? And there's more coming. You know, there's more about to come on. And that's just the crazy thing about this show and where it's gone. It's like, you know, it started in my car. Like, dude. What?

Were you just like doing like lives? No. I mean, so, okay, yes. So this is how, this is so funny how this is coming out now. But like, the dis disney. The Determin Society was a Facebook page. And I, this talk about risk, right? I made a risk.

I didn't like being on camera. It's always pick myself a point. Right. Like every video that goes out, I still look and I, it's fucked up. It's a prison. It is. That's another thing about being on TV. It's like, I do that.

Yeah. I eat like, what am I? But like you, but nobody else notices it. Right. But you, like, wow. Like, what am I doing? What am I doing with my eyes? Yeah, because then that's how people change, though.

Because then they get like a bunch of work done on their face. They're like, oh, I don't like that. But other people on TV watching, he's like, oh, she's really pretty. And then you're like, why am I looking like that? Yeah, why am I doing that? Like, damn, I need Botox. Exactly. I mean, I get Botox yet.

I'm 46 and look like I'm 32. Yeah. Like, this is crazy. I don't age. I'm like Benjamin Button. I wouldn't have guessed your age. 46. Yeah.

Well, no. Hold on. It's the 23rd. in five days. I'm still 45. Yes. Happy early birthday. Thank you.

I'm on the back half of fucking 50 here. Like we're getting there. Yeah. But no, so I took a risk, started putting things on camera. And, you know,

I was in this era where, you know, I wanted to transition out of corporate America and build something of my own so I could feel like I was fulfilling

my real purpose in life. Right. Which is being out there and helping people and quite honestly it sounds really fucked up but I just wanted to be that bright light for people. And I wanted to show them like, hey, yo, like if you want to do something

just fucking go do it. So I'm like, well, I guess I better fucking go do it. Right. So I started in the car. I was doing lives like at 4 a.m. Oh, my God. What an idiot. 4 a.m.

I was in the party lot of gym. I'm going in. Yeah. I'm here. You know, and what it did is it showed people like, okay, he's out there doing the work. He's, you know, up early, he's got his shit together.

and then it turned into I would do a podcast after the gym like if something happened in the gym or a thought happened to download whatever you want to call. I would get on my phone and that's when Anchor app was

just talking to the phone and then I would write the little minuscule show notes up and post it. Just post it. Post it. And then I learned that you could upload video.

So I was like, wait a second. I could upload it. I could do Zoom. And then I remember, it was all about growth, right? Like, it was so cringe. It was so bad. Like, I would hit record before the guest pop.

Like, hey, guys, I'm going to be here with, you know, so and so. Right. I think he's coming anytime soon. And then, like, they would have a hard time. They were on an iPhone. It was slipped up sideways. I'm like, like, what the fuck is going on here? Yeah.

And so I did that for a little while. And then I moved to Riverside, which was a better, you know, sound quality and better or k quality camera wise and then now we're in person but like it just started because i was like huh you know right i'm gonna take this chance and i don't even know how we consistent right yeah i don't know how we got on that but it's just like yeah man this taking risk taking risk like this thing started in my vehicle right you never know what can happen as a facebook that's insane it's nuts yeah and now we're here with amazing individual You have a whole TV key and amazing team, like amazing partners in the show.

I've had some amazing partners that we have some amazing things going on and they're very risky, right? I'm saying you got to take the risk. You got to risk it to get the biscuit. Is that what I say? Exactly. Exactly. Like I took a risk, the reality TV show and I actually got fired from my medical device job because of it, which was, I don't always think. Let's go down this road.

Let's go down this road. Yeah. Because I don't even give a shit. I'm going to say it. I'm going to leave this off. I'm a lead off hitter here. When I was growing my brand and I started getting more attention on Instagram, I was literally asked, like, how much time are you spending on your videos?

How long does it take to edit it? Your follower account is getting too much. I was like, motherfucker, where is it? Say my contract that I have a certain follower account that I can't go above. Right. The fuck is going on. And all the while, it was coming off of a year that I sold almost a half million dollars in capital. Yeah, and they still

And now you're like what Like what's cool you know And it was like well your numbers are down Well yeah because I sold a half million in capital last year Right Those are what are you down in years It needs to cycle through right So I get it

So walk me through that So they found out about the show They found out about the show I actually after I was done filming I actually transferred from Arizona to Tampa My job And it was about four months in I get a call from my new manager.

And of course, somebody Googled me on my team. I don't know why, but they must have watched Bravo or something. And they're like, oh, her name sounds familiar. So I get a call from my boss. And he goes, oh, I didn't know I hired a celebrity. And I'm like thinking I'm ahead. I'm like, I'm like, oh, ha, ha, ha. I'm like, I don't just say.

I'm just like, okay, like this is stupid. Just a little thing. Yeah, I'm like, yeah. Just a little. And then he was like, well, he goes, say something the last day. And I go, I was like, wait, what? That's illegal. Literally, I was like, okay.

And I was trying to explain myself, he would not let me talk. Yeah, exactly. Florida you can do, because I looked that up. Yeah. And then I was like, I'm trying to explain myself. I was like, hey, like, I was only part time on the show. I was filming on weekends. I wasn't working on the same clock as I was filming during the week.

I would leave Martha's Vineyard on Sundays. But he wouldn't let me explain myself. And he just like hung up. And I was like, did I just get fired? Like, I was like, what? That's insane. Yeah. And I was like, I called my mom.

I was like, wait, can they do that? In Florida, I guess you can fire. You don't have to have a reason. Yeah. So he literally just hung up in my face. After 90 days. Yeah, hung up. Just click.

Bye, bye. Yeah. I was like, okay. That's crazy. I was at the gym. I was like, well, everything happens for reason. Oh, man. Go back and go to my workout.

I mean, there's nothing. At that point, whenever something bad happens, I've just learned, you know what? Everything happens for a reason. Like, I can't cry about it because crime can not do anything. You just kind of got to move on and push through it. And I feel like I've been like through so much shit. I'm just like, oh, you know what?

Everything happens for reason. I haven't tatted on me. Everything happens for a reason, yeah. Is that the one on the hamstring? Yep. And I'm just like, it's my mom's favorite quote too. But at this point, I'm just like, you just can't do anything about it. Nothing's bad.

No. It's not bad. Right. It's like, it just makes you go towards something maybe it was supposed to happen. Like, so what do you do? What do you do when you get fired and like, you can't do anything? So it's like, okay, I'd let me just move on. You move on. See, for me, I pulled the trigger first. Yeah. So I knew it was I knew like, dude, I felt like some weird ass energy. Like yeah, I'm not an idiot, right? So, you know, it's funny. It's the first time I really talk about this on air. Yeah. And it was really hurtful because like my man. I love and I know he loved the beat too. But it's like it got to a point where he felt and we've never really had a conversation

like after but like I think he felt that I wasn't working and I was. Right. I was like, you know, people don't understand this game like we understand. Exactly. I don't mean like we're playing a game but like this is recorded. And out of this recording, my team's going to clip up endless amounts of clips and it's not me doing it. Hell.

Like, you know, potentially like most of us, like we have teams posting it for us. So it's like, I could be in seven different places at one time. And you're still working. And I'm still working. And I think the biggest misconception is just that. And it's, it's hurtful because like if a company has somebody like us, it's actually the smart move. Right. But they're threat.

I had somebody tell me recently. You can't, like there was a, you know, somebody that. had a leadership position. It was pretty, I was like, maybe I could go back. Yeah. I can do this and it'd be fun. And they're like,

you would have to quit your little show. I go, hard stop. Yeah. Not literally anymore. And like, but I understood the perspective. I understood it.

And actually I was very strong back to him. Mm-hmm. And we've become friends. And we text a lot. And like, but, but like it's like, nobody really understands.

Right. there's a lot of work that goes in this, but it's also, it doesn't interfere with as much as people think. So he felt like I wasn't working and it was just, it was hurtful. And quite honestly, that risk put my family in a completely different financial situation. Like, we're not as good as we were then. Right. But we're, I mean, we're on the come up. Right. Like this is, we're about to get really wild. It's a risk. Like another risk. Yeah. But like the sacrifice in, And sometimes you just fucking have to stand up for yourself. And you have to pull the trigger before somebody else does.

And for me, that was just like, all right, I'm out. Yeah. I'm out. You know? Yep. Feel you on that one. Yeah. It was hard, though, because that was my first, like, medical device sales job.

Yeah. So I was making great money. You're pain management, right? Yeah, I was pain management. And then, like, I was top, like, on my team, Southwest region, top 10, like, rookie. So I was hitting all my goals and everything. And then I get that call, I'm like, Okay.

But see, to me, that's fucked up. It's like, I filmed this last year on the weekend. Yeah, it's like, wait a second. You didn't know for the whole year when I was in Arizona. Like, you didn't pick up, okay. But like the thing is, it's like, I'm hitting my numbers. Right. Like, I'm hitting my numbers.

I'm working every day. I'm working right now on phone. Like, I'm doing what I'm supposed to do. I'm checking in Salesforce when I need to be in Salesforce. Like, I'm doing everything. Checking in my clinic. Logging my activity. logging my activity, putting my notes out, calling people, doing cold call, like, everything.

I might be doing it for my car, but like, it doesn't matter. It doesn't matter. No. And I think, and also it's really good to know that you have Salesforce experience because I'm getting we had a separate. CRM. Yeah, I got it. You know how to do it.

Just do that and I'm off your ass. I'm kidding. So like, it's funny because like I think working looks so much different now since COVID. that people still, like leadership still, doesn't quite understand the evolution of it. Right, because you can work anywhere. I could be closing a deal right now. From the gym.

Literally, yeah, I can have my computer right now on me. I was walking in public, so I'm working. And you met a prospect. Yeah, I ran into an old friend. I'm like, hey, let's go. So I'm saying, you know, you're just always working, though, in sales. Let's give a shout out to Ryan Dietery

and fucking four Myers right now. Go check it out. Ryan Morrow, he's fucking amazing. But yeah, just like that. Like, it's easy. Like that kind of shit. shit right there is like I'm buying food snacks from my kids field trip and that's work. Exactly.

Because you run into people and you talk about. Networking. Networking. So like I just feel like like again working like it's just so different these days. Why does it have to look like it used to? Right. Like you don't need to sit in a cubicle. No.

Like we have so many like different ways to work. We can work from our cars. Exactly. Phones. Phyllis. Your laptop. Martha's Vineyard. Martha's Vineyard down below.

Exactly. Hello. Like for my cell phone. Fuck you. Okay. I was closing deals. Why not I do? Like it's not like you're miced up 24-7. And I'm like, you know, yeah.

I don't know. It's annoying. It is annoying. It is annoying. It is what it is these days. Yeah. And I got to. But you grow through it, right?

You grow up. Yeah. You learn. And for the people listening and watching, I think that what I want, I know what I want everybody to take from this is like, you've gone through a ton of, things you've you've made a lot of risks and taken a lot of risks in your life right and you're

sitting here and sometimes the worst things that you think will happen they do happen and they turn out to be blessings right right yes yeah that's very true i'm learning that i'm trying to like process that now i'm like you know what just trust in god like just take it out as it is if you get fired from something like go laid off whatever just got to you know let's lighten it up a little bit let's lightening up a little bit. So I'm going to ask you a question. So nothing crazy. Oh, God. No, no, no. I would never do that. I would never do that. You know that. Okay. I mean, I'm ready. Go ahead. Ask me whatever. What's your biggest fear? My biggest fear. Oh, I don't mean. Honestly. Or phobia. Okay. Because I'm not scared too much. Fire. I'm scared of fire. That's my

biggest fear. Okay. Really. Yeah. Anytime a lighter comes near me or anything, I'm like, get that away for me. You got a lighter? No, oh my God, no, I hate fire. Like, I have to have that long, like, candle thing to, like, light anything because I'm scared of fire. So you won't go on, like, a campfire? I hate, no. I mean, I will, but I sit, like, really far back. Is there a reason?

Like, I just don't like fire. Like, I'm just, like, like, scares me. You want to hear a funny story about fire? Yeah. So, fuck. It was probably 2007. Mm-hmm. My uncle Brian, they lived on this farm in Arbuckle, California.

Mm-hmm. And he would call me a little bit of a little bit of, random's like hey why don't you come up have some beers i'll all grill some try tips yeah let's roll i went up and i get there and like they had walnut like yeah walnut from they had like all this this land and this big like pile of wood and um he lit it at night and we were fucking drunk we were oh god we were probably mean when me and my uncle get together we we literally kill like cases. Okay.

Like, yeah. In a night, like two cases. And I don't drink much, but when I'm with my uncle, it's like that old Blake Shelton song. Like,

you know, the more I drink, if I have one, I have 15, there's no, there's no in between. And so like me and him were like that. Yeah.

And I literally was so close to the fire and so out of touch. God. Like my, I melted my shoes. I melted. Like, I was on fire and didn't know it,

right? I was just so close. It was just melting everything. That would make me cringe. Like, Yeah, dude, it's crazy. My biggest phobia is like, this is really shitty, okay?

And I think this is like, because I'm a dad. Yeah. It's like all these bridges in Florida. Yeah. Like if I go off, how do I get my family out? What's a fucked up way to die? Right. You got to put your windows down when you drive on bridges over water.

I heard that. I don't know when that one bridge collapsed or what, I don't know. You're so smart. But they said that you have to roll down your windows when you. So you can get the kids out. Right. So then you get out first, of course. You got to get your kids out and do it really fast.

I don't know how to. Windows down. Windows down on the bridge. Yeah. I need one of those devices. You got to put your windows down every time you go over a bridge just in case. That's my worst fear. Yeah.

Yeah. No, that's scary too. I've never even really thought about that. I hate driving. So you hate driving over bridges. Dude, like every time. You just like, it's just a weird thing, man. It is because a lot of it's happened recently.

Like, bridges collapse. I feel like, I just feel like. as I get older, I have more anxiety over shit that I never even thought of. Right, well, probably because you have children. Right. So it's like when I go over like Fort Myers Bridge, like we have, we have to go over a bridge.

Yeah. You know? And when I was with you, I didn't notice it because I was talking. Yeah. I don't think I noticed it either. Yeah. I was talking. Did we go over bridge?

I don't think we did it. You went over a bridge. You went over a run. You went over a couple. Yeah. And I had to go over at the bridge. Did you go to Cape Coral? Yeah, but I like missed the turn.

And then I was like, fuck. I thought I was going to be able to turn around her away. I was like, my God, I could go over this bridge. And then you had to go around and go back. And then you came back, the Omni was on your right hand side. Yes. Oh, you went to Cape Coral. Yeah.

Yep. You went all the way over the bridge? Yes. She had to pay a toll. Yeah. Yep. I was like, fuck. I was like, oh, there you go.

That's fucking awesome. Add that to my tool. There you go. That's great. I was like, oh, is this Florida. You said, you said like, hey, I'm going over the bridge. I'm like, she went to Cape Coral. Because you're like, hey, I just took a wrong turn.

I thought I was going over the bridge. I'm like, oh, dude, that's brutal. Yeah. So that's a good five, 10 minutes. It is. I was like, shit. And that's the veterans bridge night in the morning. It's very, it's, there's a lot of traffic.

Yeah. Coming back over. Nobody wants to go to. No one's going over. Yeah. No one's going to kickover. So when I turned around, yeah. Yeah.

I was like, oh, well. Wow. Unbelievable. Well, you have a story to tell now. Yeah. You know, hopefully you've worked up an appetite. You've, you've beaten me down and pickleball. Yes.

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