Determined Society with Shawn French | Adversity & Mindset - Leading with Faith, Love and Integrity with Josh Marciano

Episode Date: May 17, 2023

In this episode Shawn French sits down with a great friend, Josh Marciano. He is the President of Triune Strength. Josh focuses on online training and nutrition to help his clients change their lives through their daily choices. Josh's journey has been one filled with epic moves and laden with Determination. He spent 4 years at a local gym where lets face it...the culture was more than toxic (Shawn has witnessed). Most people would regret their time at such places but not Mr. Marciano. He has not only learned what to do, what not to do in business but most importanlty identify what lines he will never cross. America loves stories of comebacks when someone is on the ropes and finds a way to throw a vital punch to get them right back into the fight. Josh is a dude that emobodies a true warrior that found a way to live his dream.  Now, sit back and enjoy this amazing episode.... Key Points: His time at previous gym Josh's journey in Entrepenuership His 30 Day notice to himself Cutting through Bullshit excuses Faith Family Business Fad diets  Seeing throught the fake ass shit being pedalled on social media Taking control of your life through better decisions Instant VS. Long-Term gratification $1k to $10K months Gratitude Shawn with his usual satire towards the assholes of the world Connect with Josh: Instagram- https://www.instagram.com/coachjoshmarciano/ Work w/ Josh- https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSc4gH7eaBrlmTsspqGxDX7Iy6mkKpbBZqmzc4QZFMafLPkUUA/viewform Connect with Shawn: Instagram- https://www.instagram.com/theshawnfrench/ Website- https://theshawnfrench.com/ Twitter- https://twitter.com/theshawnmfrench?lang=en Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

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Of course, I think the almost four years that I was there that it goes beyond just life lessons. Like, it taught me so many things not just about business and what to do and what not to do, But it taught me a lot about myself and really helped me establish what lines am I not going to cross. What's up, everybody? Welcome back to another show of The Determined Society. I have with me today, guys, another special treat. Someone that means a lot to me, someone who's a close friend. And we have grown very close over the last two to three years.

And it is someone who I hold in high regard because of his integrity, his love for Christ. And he's outspoken about his faith, which by the way, is not happening enough in his profession. And it's actually sad. There's actually entrepreneurs and online trainers that are losing business and losing following and an audience when they start speaking about their faith. Maybe we'll touch on that today, guys. I don't know. If I know this guy, we will probably touch on that a little bit.

But I just, I want to take some time and really honor this gentleman as a husband, a father. He has a young son named Ryder and two boys on the way. Yes, his wife is pregnant with twins. They do everything big in that household. They're going from one to three. They went from a Cherokee to a minivan. I want to welcome my boy, an amazing online fitness coach and nutrition coach, Triune Fitness, Josh Marciano.

What's up, buddy? What's up, brother, dude? I'm blessed to be able to be on the show, guys. I, like Sean said, he and I have, we met a couple years ago, man, and, and, and I immediately knew he was wrong those guys that I needed in my circle. I needed my life. He's just, he's a great dude. He's been a great mentor for me through a lot of stuff as I've started growing my business. And man, it's, it's, it's, it's been awesome. Dude, I'm pumped to be on here, pumped to deliver some value and get into some interesting stuff today, for sure. Well, bro, it's been a long time coming, right?

It's been one of those things where I think in the back of my mind, I know, I was like, man, I really got to have Josh on. I mean, it always kind of worked out that I had, you know, a trainer on. I'm like, dang it. Like, now I got to wait, you know, like, but it just, it just really worked out timing wise. And, you know, I really love your journey. And, you know, we'll get into it a little bit here in a second. But, you know, I want to rewind, you know, I immediately when I met you at that shitty gym in Fort Myers that you used to work at, you know, the one that.

that ran by Adolf. The thing was, is like you were a bright, shiny light in that place. But the problem was, you know, you had this hard exterior shell that I feel once you exited,

it kind of broke away. And then, you know, the real Josh started coming out. And I got to tell you, I've got to commend you in a sense that nowadays, I can see your heart 100% of the time.

whereas back then to be honest with you man it was like 50 50 but I still loved you you're still my guy yeah I saw I saw who you were um but it's just nice to have you um you know living in your truth 24 7 365 well I appreciate that man dude I'll tell you man it's been that that experience was one that I definitely wouldn't want to remove for my life you know there was a lot of stuff over the course of the almost four years that I was there that it goes beyond just life lessons like it taught me so many things not just about business and what to do and what not to do but it taught me a lot about myself and and really help me establish what lines am I not going to cross how we all have to sacrifice things when it comes to our job but I feel like a lot of people end up sacrificing more and more and more of their morals and their character and stuff

just because they're chasing a paycheck or just because they're chasing a raise or a promise, you know, given by somebody else. And I had to eventually come to a point where I said, I'm not willing to keep sacrificing anymore myself. I think what you said is spot on is, you know, I've always been a pretty charismatic guy. I've always been an outgoing guy. I love being energetic around people because I truly believe that energy is contagious. So for me, I did see a little bit of myself starting to go just in regards to the hours and the schedule. And to be honest with you, just a lot of the stuff that was going on behind the scenes. You know, we've all been there.

And it goes beyond just like not having the best boss. It's it just wasn't the best situation. It was kind of draining a lot of that passion energy that I had. And when I was able to finally leave, I got back to being who I was and who I was meant to be. the biggest reason for that was because I felt like God had called me to leave. I felt like he had asked me to step into a different frame.

And dude, every time I don't do what he wants me to do, it doesn't go the way I think. But as soon as I kind of bat and hatches and roll with it and execute the plan he has for me, I'm not saying it's easy by any means. It hasn't been. But all of that energy

and passion and willingness to overcome things just floods you because you're doing what you're called to do. So that was big for me, man. Man, I got to tell you, you know, because you and I have spoke about, you know, not at detail, right? I don't want to get his G string in a bunch, but not in detail. It just, I know some of the stuff that, you know, at a high level that was going on, it was very scary, right? You know, it was very scary that exit, you know, it was happiness.

Then it was like, you know, someone coming after you for something that you just want to do. Yeah. You know, and I don't think. think we should ever, you know, be hindered by our previous leader. But I just got to say, I commend you for digging your heels in and keep going, you know, because a lot of people that don't have the faith that you have and that entered confidence would have just said, okay, the guy has more money than I do. That's clear, right? He's got more money than me, too. Congratulations. We can measure penises later. It's fine. Um, but,

it's more than that right it's it's like you know most people would have quit right but you didn't and you know so i just dude i just want to acknowledge you on air and in and for everybody who's watching on the tv show in front of everybody who's going to listen to it just an audio format like you're you're the dude man and and i appreciate you well i i appreciate that man i i I don't always think I'm the dude, but I can tell you, man, it was, it was just like you said. There were too many, too many red flags, too many things that come up. And I think that there's a difference in perseverance and just kind of being a part of the track. When I say that, I mean, like you're either part of the train or you're a part of the track.

I think that, like I said, when it comes to drawing that line, you have to be one to say, It's something I'm going to persevere through, or am I using that as an excuse to just let somebody continually run me over? And that was really what it came down to, man. I, at the end of the day, I left because I didn't like how some people were being treated. There were multiple things that he got on in the year that, that I had just kind of, you know, turned a blind eye to a little bit, and I couldn't do it anymore. You know, I felt very convicted myself to be putting my face, my name, my reputation. I worked really hard to build along with all of that stuff. So that was one reason.

But, dude, another big reason was exactly what you said. I will never understand hindering anyone from growth, whether it's with your company, with a different company, with whatever else. And I've said earlier when I made a comment about I learned what not to do. One of my goals is to get my business big enough one day to where someone can, come up to me and feel comfortable and up to say, hey, man, I love what I'm doing for you and I want to do it on my own. And there's not going to be non-competes or non-solicits or this.

It's going to be, what do you need to get it going? How much do you need to get it going? And what do you need from me to make it successful? Because I don't want people to go through. I went through my first year on my own. I just feel like that's not the mark of a true leader. You know, I want to help impact somebody's life so they can take care of their family. And then they can help impact other people's lives.

I think it's that everybody should approach it too. You know, that's a very interesting point, Josh, talking about there's one specific question you asked in that hypothetical situation that will in time happen, by the way, is not what do you need, but how much do you need? That's a leader, right? And for those of you listening and watching, I want you to really take notice of that question. How much do you need? right it's not him stating like i see an investment opportunity to make money on the back and it's like okay you're starting out i know how hard it was for me starting out right with lack of capital whatever it is how can i help you get going right because you you're never going to lose clients

you're never going to um lose your financial stability if you approach things in that manner but if you look at things in a sense of this guy's leaving me he he's an a hole i'm going to stick it to him in a 20 something uh year old girl who's amazing by the way sweetest one of the sweetest girls on the planet hi lily um is is the fact that you know that comes around just in the natural you know karma can either be the b word or it could be you know something of value. I mean, it could, it can come with strong hands or glove hands, dude. And we control that.

So, yeah, man, that's an important point. And I know that one day when you're able to, you know, when someone tries to leave your company, you're going to be like, exactly. Cool. Yeah. What do you? Let me help. Yeah.

How much on how many things that I love about you? And to be honest with you, I had never heard anyone. say it because I grew up in an extremely, extremely competitive household. And it, yeah, dude, you're a winner. You're a loser. And don't even wrong. I love my dad to this day. I don't know anyone that works at the level of that dude does. But I feel like there was a bit of a subclause missing that. And I've heard you say multiple times. And it's like, dude, not just you has to win. Other people win. Everybody can win. And there's one thing that I've learned in being in in my, in my field the past year and a half.

now, there are so many people and there is so much money out there. If you build a scarcity mindset where you think, oh, I have to crush everybody else in order for me to be successful, you have no concept of the actual money that is out there. If that's just what you're focused on, which usually when people have that mentality, that's what it is. But dude, I'm in a group with thousands of other online coaches and they're all my competitor. We are sitting each other every single day because there's not enough clients for like there's too many clients for all of us to go around if that makes sense. Why do I want to see somebody else lose if my true mission is to help people, you know, as far as fitness and stuff goes, if I want to help people change their lives and build a healthier body and build a bulletproof mindset and all this stuff, why am I not going to cheer for somebody else that's doing the same thing just because my logo isn't on their shirt?

Does that make sense? Makes perfect sense. I think the big thing is, is we're so caught up in this antiquated approach to competition. You know, let's think about it as inspiration, y'all, like allow that individual as long as they're doing things the right way. Now, don't get me wrong. I also have a subclause. Okay, and I'm going to get to that. Because I want to talk about it.

Because one of one of your talking points is all the BS that's peddle on social media. And we're going to get there. We're going to get there, brother. And we're in audience, you're going to need to put your damn seatbelts on because we're going to get really authentic with it. And as you can already tell, if you haven't watched my show or listen to my show yet, I don't have a filter. Okay. I really don't. And I'm sorry, I'm not sorry.

You shouldn't be. Yeah. I, I truly believe in looking at others and be like, that dude's an inspiration or she's an inspiration. She's having all this perceived success, but then I also can see if it's real or if it's fake. And if it's real, I'm super happy for those people. What drives me bonkers. And again, when I started this show, I started it with nothing. Okay.

I'm a medical device sales rep. All right. I am a W2 employee and I used to try to hide it. But I think there's a story there, right? I do this because this is my true passion. And one day, the right person's going to hear my show or see my show. And guys, then it's all over, right? This is going to be the thing that I do.

I don't know if that's next week, next year, 10 years. I don't know. It's not for me to figure out. It's for me to follow my purpose in which God put in bestowed upon me is to do this. This is what I love to do. Yeah. But what drive, so I like people winning. What drives me crazy is when I see these shows pop up and they've, they've done 10 episodes.

And they're announcing they're in the top 1% globally. Like, dude, sweetheart, I know how you did it. You bought it. And if you're okay with that bullshit integrity and get out there and say, I'm the top 1%. Oh my God, I can't believe it. Yeah, I can't either. Okay. Like to be to be quite honest with you because I have a lot of listeners.

Okay. And I'm top 5% globally. And that changes as more reviews come in. But the bottom line is I haven't shelled out one penny for a fake review, a fake listen, a fake download. And I don't spend thousand. of dollars every single month for a podcast promoter to be promoting my stuff. Now, I'm not saying anything's wrong with that, but like there's a time and a place. For me, I'm like, and dude, and you know this because you know me personally, you've seen tears

well up in my eyes. You've seen the highs and you've seen the lows. I'm that dude that's sitting in the garage hitting off a baseball team until my hands bleed right now. Yeah. That's where I'm I'm not paying for anything. I cut up my own reels. I edit my own show. There's some glory in that. And that's who you are too. Well, and I think it goes just beyond the glory.

I didn't cut you off there, did I? No, no, absolutely not. If you did, so it's a conversation. I think it goes so far just beyond glory, man. What you're doing it is it's always going to have something behind it that if you essentially, it's like it's the best phrase you're used for it, pay to play, you have authenticity. That's all there is to it. You have authenticity behind everything you do. As soon as you metaphorically sell your soul and start playing that game, I just, I feel like you lose a little bit of that.

You and I have talked about this before. Don't even wrong, I would love to have 25, 50, 70, 100,000 followers on any platform. I think that's awesome. I'm not paying to play, period. I'm not paying to buy the followers, not paying to buy the likes. I don't want to do that because I'll be honest with you. When I do get a like, when I do get a comment, when I do get something else, whatever it is, I enjoy the opportunity to be able to connect to somebody personally. And I think that we have lost such sight of what social media is about.

And it's about social networking. I'm not going to network with 40,000 bots that I bought just to pit my profile up a little bit. you know i i want to engage with real people i want real people to know like i'm out here i'm in the corner i'm in the trenches right here with you guys but here's the value that i can add to your life and like i said sean i think and that's one of the reasons i respect you so much brother is you have a level of authenticity about you that is it is it going to take you longer than a lot of those people that are paying to play probably it's like the old middle school attitude the kids that pay to play or on the field man but eventually talent and and

potential overtake that. And I have to believe in that to be an optimistic, you know, kind of guy. No, and I, and I believe that, dude. And, like, you know, and you'll see, like with, with the pay to play, that's the industry. There's people, you see all these people on stages. Here's what, here's what nobody knows. They're paying to be on that stage for the opportunity to be in front of all those people and then sell their programs afterwards.

So all this media, right, all this bullshit media that you see people in, it's all paid for. Yeah. And these are things, and these are things that the reason why I'm speaking about this, because I'm an open book, is I've been caught up in this. You know, I got caught up in when I first started, oh, I need to buy followers. So, you know, out of service. take care of it. Now here's the thing. Here's the thing. It was cool for the ego at the beginning like, oh my God, here I am. Like I'm starting to get a bunch of followers. And I'm not saying all of them are fake. You know, I have a lot of natural traction. But the bottom line is, you know,

they can be there. But they don't participate. Yeah. They don't they don't engage in your content. What really, what really gets me going. is knowing that, okay, you know, I've made that mistake. My engagement has dropped. Then it goes back up. And I think that there's just so much competition on this platform, any platform. Now, whether it's Facebook, Instagram, whatever, there's, or TikTok, there's billions of users. Everybody's making videos now.

So if everybody wants to know why their engagements dropped, I hope you're listening to this. It's not because your content sucks. it's not because your captions blow it's not because you don't have stock videos to like make your shit look cool and who dini like it's because the moment you push publish or post so did five million other people like use your heads guys use your heads like that's where we're at right now and the biggest indicator of that was the pandemic yeah people lost their jobs they had to pivot, right? They're, oh my gosh, I'm going to be an online coach now, right?

And then there's some people, and I'm going to shout someone's name out right now. There's someone out there that has made millions and millions and millions of dollars. Here locally, I might add, I don't know if you know Derek Faye. Yeah. Oh, yeah, I know Derek. He used to own ATC. All of them. Sold it for $51 million.

And now he's on this platform, million followers on big stages. Okay, that guy's done something. Here in our own backyard. It's like, cool, man, get up there. And for, and for me, if, if that guy had to pay to be on a stage with Brad Lee and all these dudes, like, that's warranted, in my opinion. In my opinion, that's warranted. So, big shout out to Derek Fay because, you know, he's done it. Yeah.

He's done it. Like, and by the way, when he sold those around the clock fitnesses, what happened? What? shit started breaking the gym started sucking there's not in around the clock they just sold out to New York whatever they're not even 24 hours

our gym that we go to I love that gym but things are starting to break there too you can't even get clean water it's a the gym that we're at now and for everybody that doesn't know it used to be an ATC it's been different things now but I think that goes that just

is a testament to ATC. Dude, around the clock was right in that corner by that publics forever. And three or four different gyms. I don't get me wrong. I love the one that we're currently in. But yeah, it's the same thing. There are certain, it's the little things that slip through the cracks. And it immediately, my mind never goes to the staff.

That's a leadership issue. When you were letting little things slip through the cracks, it's because you're not handling the little things to set the example for them to want to do it. I get it. Do those guys, they're not in the gym? They're not in their own gyms, but maybe what, once a month? But if the integrity of the gym changes, like with, from Derek, Derek was a, Derek was a freaking genius with doing. But when the integrity changes, the work ethic changes and the culture changes. And don't get me wrong, I think the energy and the atmosphere and stuff in our gym now is great, but there's a level of professionalism that is missing.

Yeah. And again, it's going to take somebody like a Derek Faye to come back in and run those gems and for it to be successful long term, right? We're getting in the weeds here. You mentioned something and I want to cover it. Like when you filled out your app, you're not your application, but your form, you know, for the show. So we had some talking points. Which I didn't feel we needed. It's just my process. So thank you for following. And thank you for really giving. a shit, dude, because I want to tell my listeners this, like, in my viewers, is, is this, this, this guy here, Josh, my buddy, you know, he, you know, he, he's a lot like me, neurotic to, to a fall. Hey, bro, do we need to hop on a call before the show so we can know what direction we're going in? And in me already knowing, you know, my show, obviously, and Josh has listened, he knows my show, but then also knowing my relationship with him, I'm like, yeah, bro, we don't really need to, but call me later. And he didn't call. So I was like, yeah, dude, he's ready. He knows. But thank you for caring so much. Yeah, man. Right?

Because there's a lot of individuals and there's a big fitness guy, big, big, big, big, big, big. Right. You may remember him at the beginning of the pandemic, got shut down, got fined. Big beer. Yeah. He filled that application to be on my show. Yeah. And the responses were, I don't care.

Doesn't matter. I don't care. I canceled the show. Yeah. I didn't record. I'm not going to record with people that aren't going to take my show and me seriously because it's personal. I'm building something.

So again, thank you. Back to the topic. You had mentioned that your story isn't exceptional. And it's such a Sean French thing to say. Well, that's the humility. The humility. Yeah. Right.

But it's also, I think, to be fair, an unfair measure of what success looks like. Okay. So, you know, I look at this and, you know, you, you've come into this business and and right away, you see that there's some gaps in your, in your, you know, in your business. And you hired and you joined a group and you hired this guy that, you know, it's $500 a month. And at the time, you're only making a thousand dollars a month. Yeah. So you're taking $12,000 for the year and dividing that in half and only bringing in

6,000 of a wife, child, you know, you get two on the way. That first month, what was the result after you did that? I ended up being maybe a couple hundred dollars short of 10K, which is un- heard of for me. And it, dude, to be honest with you, it wasn't even a thousand because what I wasn't taking consideration is the company that I use for all my transactions, they take a cut. And it was like, I mean, obviously it's still, it was still 900's but like I'm not even making a thousand dollars a month.

I remember when I walked in and I asked my wife, I said, look, I feel strong about this. I feel I feel like I'm being led in this direction. I want to do this. What do you think? And I can say right now, you want to talk about gaining respect for your partner and somebody that, like, you can tell they believe in you. Dude, she was like, let's do it. Like, pull the trigger. We'll figure it out.

Dude, that to me is like, dude, that puffs your chest up, man. Yeah. Instructible, dude. The person that I'm doing life with is looking at our current situation, which isn't, yeah, you can't even say it's not good. It's almost borderline, just bad. And she's like, let's roll with it, dude. But man, the big thing for me with doing all of that was I talked to so many people on a daily basis about investing in their health and investing into fitness and nutrition and all these things. And I can't, I could not stand the money objection because to me your health is your wealth.

Like it's a no brainer. But I felt like there was also a part of me that was like I can't really connect with these people because I don't understand where they're coming from. brother i tell you what anytime somebody gives me a money objection on a call now on about any of this stuff i tell them beat my situation and i get it the comparison game is a dangerous game but let's play it you are are making less than a thousand dollars a month and you decide to invest in something for five hundred dollars a month for a year then you can tell me yeah man money's just too tight but until then it's just it's and we've had this conversation too how can i say I'm doing everything I can to accomplish X, Y, or Z.

Are you, though? Yeah, I remember, I remember, I think, I think that was my, those are my exact words. Yeah. And in Pinerra that day, I'm like, but are you actually? Yeah. Like, are you actually doing everything that you need to do in order to be successful? And I mean, we, we were having conversations of like, hey, you know, like, you know, maybe I just go into construction again. And I remember sitting there.

and I had a visceral response inside. And I didn't show it, or at least I don't think I showed it. I was like, how can I best support this guy right now? You know, and for me, it was just listening. And then it was like, okay, cool. Well, why don't you think about it? And then I'll help you put your resume together. Yeah.

And, you know, because right then I'm thinking, you've been in sales this whole time and you're talking about construction. Like, bro, you're not ready. you're not ready to leave this industry because you can't even see your resume yeah right so i'm thinking i'm like well then i asked you this very point of question and i hope and for and for the audience um i asked him this question first of all let me back up he said i'm going to give it 30 days and and and it was almost fucking comical i he goes i'm gonna that's just like all right josh i'm gonna you know work out with you for 30 days but if i'm not shredded and you know

And if I can't see the V, then I'm gone, right? I'm just sorry I quit. I said to him, like, what are you really going to find out in 30 days? Yeah. It's going to take you like 90 days to see the true, like even a little bit of growth. And I think it hit home. And then your first month, you did almost 10 grand. Yeah.

So I was wrong. Yeah. Well, dude, it was, it was when you were right. But dude, it was. Yeah, man, it was, I did. I remember sitting there saying, I'm going to give it 30 days. And like, yeah, if I have my clients do that, I wouldn't have clients. So, but yeah, dude, it was, the first 30 days went, went well.

The second set of 30 days. You know, I think I was, I was five days in and I had already made, like, I can think right around five grand, five days. And that was like averaging a grand a day. So, and for somebody that has, my entire. family is in education. They've always been. So again, I respect that level of work. I respect that field. Um, not a very high paying industry. So the idea of, the idea of ever even making a thousand dollars a day for an entire month, like I would have laughed in your face. So, here's what I'm hearing. Going to, going to quit in 30 days. And then 45 days later,

you've made 15 grand. Yeah. Yeah. What type of respect. response emotionally does that create for you? Dude, I think it's one of, I don't even know if it's necessarily the biggest, the biggest emotional response obviously is it's just gratitude and joyful. Like, dude, I was, I was losing, I was losing what made me want to do this job. I was so focused on money, money, money, money, money, got to pay the bills, got to be successful. I got to have this persona that I put on on social media of success because why would anybody want to work with a broke trainer, you know what I mean?

And so I think that there was this level of gratitude and satisfaction and, wow, the stuff's actually started to work. But dude, I think it, the biggest thing that that triggered was a internal review, which I think a lot more people need to do on a much more frequent basis. And it was, let me think about how I felt in this time frame. Where was my, where, like, where were my emotions? How do I make sure that I never see? that mother trucker again ever i never want to feel like that again i never want to be

financial state again i never want to be just that level of miserable and stressed so what do i need to do to make sure that never happens and a lot of people i they don't do that it's like well i'll just try you know we talked about this i'll just keep trying so well you know i think it's important to understand that because you know um trying is cool, right? It's fine. But if you're not intentional and you don't know how to do something, like, dude, your biggest hole or biggest gap in performance was you didn't have a process.

You know, and then we did some onboarding for me. And I'm loving your program. Yeah. Like I'm thriving in it. And we had a bad week and a half where I tweak my back because I'm old. But, you know, we're back on, right? and the thing that I noticed is you have a process and you put me through it and you know now I can see why right now to me it's evident why now you're you know 45 days after you're thinking this is it for me you you made 15 grand it's because there's something in place and two ladies and gentlemen there's just one part he goes send me the pick What the fuck is this guy talking about?

I don't have time for this shit. I'm sitting there trying to do 500 different things. Like I'm trying to figure out, am I going to relaunch my show? How am I going to relaunch it? I'm starting this new job. I'm like, you know, literally going through onboarding. And these guys asking me about a picture. Like, he's like, did you read the whole thing?

I'm like, bro, I read the whole thing. Okay. Like, all right. Yeah. Grass fed butter if you eat butter. Shut up, man. I got it. I'm ready to roll.

Let's just go through this. Oh, boy. But then I scroll, although I finally read it again, and I'm like, all the way down, I'm like, nothing. I'm like, he wants me to send a picture of his dog? And the moral of the story is, very detail-oriented, right, very process-driven, very intentional. And I think that is the biggest shift in your business.

And I like it. It was funny. And it made me look at it. at myself like, okay, you really weren't reading through the whole thing. You thought you had the, you had the whole idea. You had the whole idea, but you missed one important step, which is seeing the dog and sending him the picture of the dog. Regardless of how I felt about whether it was a dog or whether it's you guys are going

over your calories by 200 or you just didn't make that sales call when you said you're going to or do the thing with your kids that you said you're going to, those things compound. Yeah. No. And relationship with yourself and others are broken because of those compounding things that you just aren't paying attention to. Dude, the point of the dog isn't just to kind of be a turd. The point of the dog is to get people to do exactly what you did.

And that's the start the question. Okay. He put this picture of a dog in here for me to send him to see if I've actually read the whole thing. So now I have to do, I have to ask myself, how much am I really invested in this? And that's a big thing. And I'll tell you what, dude, it's a big thing for the guys because guys, dude, most men are attack dogs. You point them in the direction. They don't care about the ins and outs of things.

You just point them and say go and they go. Women come the very, I don't want to say reserve, but they want to make sure that they are doing everything the perfect way that that kind of becomes a hindrance too. There's pros and cons of both, but the point of the dog, you get people to say, dang, all he asked me to do is really. through this thing. How investing am I? But I'll tell you, I'm telling you, it kicks in a different level for people before they start the program because they know now, I'm not necessarily watching every single aspect of this and expecting perfection, but I'm going to put everything I have into this. I expect you to do the same. It's exactly what you said about filling out the interview for the podcast. I have this irrational, fear is not the right, right word for,

but this irrational anxiety of it. If I don't, when I do something, if I don't try to do it to the best of my ability, am I going to miss an opportunity? Am I going to show that I don't care? Like you said, the other thing I'm going to not deliver the best products, not just of what I do, but of myself to somebody. I would challenge everyone to ask themselves this. Have you ever heard somebody say something negative

about giving the best that you have with everything you do? or have you ever heard somebody say anything negative about, eh, maybe if it's a big thing, I'll give it all I have, but if it's a little thing, I'll just kind of like, you know,

just do what I have to do to get it done. Yeah, I think it's very important for people, myself included in you and everybody watching and listening is take inventory of where else that might be showing up in your life. To me, that was big. I was like,

where else am I missing? You know? and at that point you got to be careful not to go down a rabbit hole too right you got to be careful you got to have the emotional intelligence and you know the mental acuity to be go well all right I can only do what I can do right don't go in the weeds and be like oh my god this is why I am here and then you're looking at this is why the car I have and oh my God I could be doing better that's not what it's for no just like guys small changes small changes of just being present I think being present is exactly it, right?

That's what it called out for me. It's like, dude, you're not present right now. Like, you need to be more present. And it is difficult. You know, I have three children. You'll soon learn what that's like, right? And, you know, I have a sales career and I have the show and it's like, I'm married and then I have to take care of my own body.

And, you know, I'm constantly at war with myself. Right. And it's important to be present because if you're not present, you can't take inventory of how you really feel. No, no, not at all, dude. Dude, I think that that brings up a really interesting point. How many people listening to the show, whether they're going to be watching it or whatever,

how many of you look at the blessings in your life and you start to, I'm not saying, this is what you did, do this what you did, Sean, but it brought up a good point. How many of you look at a blessing in your life and you start to twist something that you should fully show appreciation for, and it starts to turn into an excuse. I see this all the time. I see moms and dads say, well, my kids or my job or, you know, this circumstance and my spouse. And it's like you have a beautiful spouse. You have incredible, healthy kids. You have a job where somebody is giving you pretty much guaranteed income.

And that's the reason that you can't accomplish going to the gym. That's the reason that you, You can't meal prep on the weekend. I'll just, I'll never understand them, ever. You know, it's, it's funny because I'm just pulling up our notes here. Forgive me. You know, turning your blessings into your, your adverse situations is never a good way to, one, honor the things that you have or the people you love. And then to have more in your life because it's showing you're ungrateful.

Yeah. If you're ungrateful ass, you're not going to, you're not going to, God's not going to bless you with anything more. If you're not happy with what you have, right? Like, I look around all the time and I'm thinking like, I need to be here, but I'm here. I'm like, wait a second. I look around, look at my house. I look at my children.

Like, man, let's just be honest, man. Ugly kids are a thing. Yeah. I don't have them. No. No. I don't. I mean, like, it's just, you know, it's amazing.

to me how gorgeous my kids are. And so what's that? I said your kids are a little, they got on the good side with the genetics. They got a division one dad and a pretty mom. So they got lucky there. I think they got a pretty dad too. I'm sorry.

I said it on air, right? I'm, I'm marginally handsome. And it's just one of those things where, you know, just being grateful for the things that we have. And again, guys,

I'm not sitting here telling you guys, I'm the pillar of gratitude. I get in my own shit and I struggle with this. And I just think that's because we, we, I cave into societal pressure sometimes. And I think that's also a real thing, Josh. And it brings me to a great point. Let's talk about societal pressure in just in nutrition and fitness.

Oh, boy. It's always, it's, oh. So a couple of things. things I want to cover here. The first one I want to cover is why is alcohol the only drug that you have to explain that you're not using? I'm going to be honest. I don't know, Sean. I don't. And I know where you're leading to with this, but I make sure your thoughts on it first. What are your thoughts on that? Well, first of all, I think it's because it's legal. It's been legal, right? Um, you know, when you're when you're 15 and you, you know, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your

six pack and you're sapping on some beers. It's kind of like a societal norm to enjoy your friends and your family over alcohol and food, right? Yeah. So in America, you attach anything fun and anything depressing to alcohol and food. So you get into these weird eating. eating patterns, right, having poor relationship with food and alcohol. And I look back at my life and I have a very poor relationship with food. Like you know this.

Like I, like I will binge at times. Like I will, I will binge my, my, one of my best friends, Stephen, he's the same way. We, and, and he is a very successful online fitness coach in great shape. But like, and he openly talks about it. That's why I'm bringing his name up. He almost died. He had to have emergency. surgery because he ate too much peanut butter.

I mean, it isn't a thing. I know. I know. But like, you know, so for me, when I'm growing up, you know, my family reunions, there's a ton of food.

And I had a great childhood. You know, like my family, like my grandma, my aunt, my great grandpa, is amazing. And we go up to Clear Lake,

California, every September, the week before Labor Day, or the Labor Day weekend, we have a family reunion. Okay. And I'm going somewhere, guys, stay with me. And, you know, all these snacks would be on the table out in the front, right? And the patio.

But then the adults would sit in a circle, you know, and they would drink beer all day. And we'd have this Diablo dip. We'd have good food. And then they'd throw in the Randy Travis in the gray boom box. And the adults would sit out on. night and drink and have farting contests and you know it's just ridiculous right and then you know Christmas and the holidays there's no different so I think at a young age we see this as as normal yeah so here is here's my my typical explanation to that and I'm glad you I'm glad you said what

you had to say my question when it comes to to the alcohol the food the stuff that people don't it's like you said it's not this like insanely frowned upon thing obviously alcoholism and becoming an alcoholic is not something that would celebrate um but why it my question is this where is the self discipline because self-discipline true true denies not even self-dism true discipline does not change whether you're in a setting with other people or whether you are in a setting with yourself and i think that what people do is they negotiate with themselves so often on a single basis, whether it's just by themselves, it's even worse when they're in a social setting. I can tell you right now, I have very little issue going out and having a good time with people that I want to be around and not having a

single drop of alcohol. Now, I'm not saying that that's what people should do is cut alcohol out entirely. I'm not going to dive into the health effects that alcohol has on sleep and recovery. But if you want to go out and drink socially, that's fine. But here's my question. Where is the discipline of yourself to say, to kind of question out, why do I need this? Why do I need to binge eat this food? And to be honest, I think it's so linked to where we are at in today's society with everyone needs and is just desperately searching for immediate gratification. I like that. My Amazon package is going to take two days.

It's not one day deliver anymore. People lose their mind. You know, Hey, listen, you can't talk about that yet because until you've had your kids in elementary school and it's Spirit Week and you fucking forgot and you need a shirt and a day. Don't, don't talk. But people forget. What? I'm teasing.

I'm teasing. You go down to Walmart. You go down to Walmart. I'm just saying. Yeah, that's my point. And I look at it in so many different. areas is like, dude, you'll see people in marriages too. They, what's one of the biggest, you know, no-nows, people don't talk about in marriage and one

the biggest mistakes you can make as a spouse obviously is if you're not loyal, but it all comes out to you're looking for something that's so immediate gratification. So if we get out of the serious end and we go towards the food end, why do I need to eat this whole plate of cookies just because I'm in a family reunion? Because I'm looking for immediate gratification. I know how it's going to make me feel now. think about what it's going to do long term. I'm telling you the most successful people I know. I'm not just talking about finances, guys. I'm talking about the people I know that are doing

financially well and they're doing exceptional in their relationships and they're great moms and great dads and they are fit and healthy people. They are so focused on building a foundation for what is going to benefit them the most in the long run that the short term is almost, it's almost non-existent for them. They don't focus on what's going to make me feel good now. They focus on what's going to make me feel great for the next 10 years.

John, I want to thank you for that because I struggle with that with nutrition. Right. Like, there's times where I'll make that decision on immediate gratification. I want to taste that sugar. I want to taste that pizza. Right? And like,

so for me, that hits home. So thank you. Now, I want to go back to the alcohol real quick. Then I want to shift to a very last topic because we're getting close to the end here. I can talk to you for 17 hours. It wouldn't bother me. Yeah. You can't. A Joe Rogan episode.

I just don't. I don't have time. I just, I can't. And you don't either. Is, man, the alcohol.

You know, I don't know. And I think it goes deeper than self gratification with alcohol. And I want to, we don't have to take too much time on this, but I just want this to make abundantly clear. I think it's more than that. Mm-hmm.

I would agree. I think people are afraid not to be liked. And if they don't drink alcohol, they're going to be judged and nobody wants to be judged. Everybody wants to be left out of the next invite to Miller's alehouse because they're just going to have wings and celery. Yeah. Yeah, dude. It's the truth. Let me ask you something.

Yeah. Give me just thinking your mind of a list of like five to ten of your best friend. You guys are all getting ready to go out, okay? They say, hey, Sean, we're going to go out. We're going to get some drinks. If you tell them, no, man, I can't go out and get drinks. I really got to go home and work out. Are they going to be like, oh, dude, I completely understand that, man.

Good for you. Go take care of your body. Or do they start giving you crap? No, they're going to call me a little bitch. I'm like, dude, what do you mean? You're going to have to go work out now. It's 8 p.m. Don't you work out in the morning?

Well, what happened to you? Don't punish us because you're bad mistakes. That's what my friend would say. Yeah, it's, and that's, and that's, I would say, yeah, I would say it's the same way with most people. And I think that that, that their understanding of I know this pressure is going to come. I know this is what they're going to say. That doesn't motivate them to make a better decision in that moment. Why, why am I going to refuse having a good time?

It's like you said, if they're going to look down on me and give me crap for it and all this stuff. And it's like, build a level of self-respect for yourself to where you can say, like, who cares? Who cares? I think I just heard who was at the end of the day. I think it was the guy that owns, I'm not going to use a bunch of names, but it was the guy that owns a bunch of very successful hit jams across the country. And he made a comment about it. And I'll tell you what, I don't always agree with everything he says. I don't necessarily like the approach he takes to it.

but what he said has validity behind it. And, you know, people will give you, people will jump at pulling you into situations that don't make you better. Like, like, why would you go home and work out when you can come and drink with us? But it's very rare that somebody goes, dude, you don't need to come out and drink. You're like, you need to go home and work out. You're committed to do a goal. I respect that. Go do what you got to do.

And that's tough. Yeah, it is tough. And dude, I know who you're talking about. And it just reminded me I haven't dropped the episode yet. But that's so funny. Like, I don't know, dude. I don't know why. I don't know why.

But I agree with you, man. If someone would have told me that, I'd be like, all right, cool. Like, go work out. You know, we're going to push back a half an hour. You know, we're going to go before you. You meet up. Come get some food. You're going to have to eat after workout anyway.

Don't drink. Who cares? We just want you there. Yeah. You know, but again, higher level of maturity, you know, I don't judge my friends worth based on if they ingest alcohol or not. I think it's, I think it's a stupid way to go. I also want everybody to understand it's also, you know, equally destructive to make it your whole life. Like, you know, if you have a fitness school,

like I've done 75 hard many times. And all it did was distance me from my family because my full time job was working out, doing my nutrition, reading books, doing all this kind of stuff when I'm not saying those things are bad. I'm saying like when I can't go to the beach because I'm afraid to miss my work because I'm going to fail day 15. Like how is that controlling my life? You know, it's not. Go ahead. No, I'm just saying that's just kind of how I, you know, sometimes my mind goes back to it. Like, oh, I could do it again. You know, maybe I just go for a walk at night. But it's more than that. It's not it's it's it's more than just the second workout. It is to me, um, it, it brings out this perfection complex that turns me into an absolute monster and I can't

stand. I don't like that dude. Yeah. Dude, things like 25 hard, I feel like they're effective for an incredibly small populace of people. Um, I'm not saying that somebody that isn't that isn't, you know, formally lazy and doesn't have a high work. work ethic can't do 75R 75 hard and do well with it I'm just saying if you look at the people that do it it's typically very driven people um but I can tell you Sean that's the biggest mistake that 95% of people make when it comes to their fitness and nutrition journey is the zero to a hundred approach I have to go not working out not meal prepping not counting calories or macros or taking care of my body whatever it is I have to just completely flip everything I have to be

working out five to six days a week I have to know every single ounce of everything that's into my body and if I miss a workout, you know, to have a date night with my wife, then I'm a loser and I'm not chasing my goals away. That's, it's, it's dumb. And it's, yeah, it turns into deprecation, man. Well, you know, and for the record, you've done it and you had amazing results. And I remember when you came out and you're like, guys, you don't need it. I'm like, oh, no, you didn't.

But I'm thinking about it. I'm like, dude, yeah, he's right. Yeah, you don't. That was another, that was another message to take that post down because, you know, we don't want to insult anybody's role models. But, but dude, yeah. Especially mini Andy. You don't want to piss him.

Yeah, I know, dude. But, like, look, I respect, I respect where Andy's coming from with that program. I respect. Sure. You're not going to do 75 hard and just get worse in all these areas. You might not not get better in every area, which that was the thing that I discovered from it. But here was my biggest thing with that.

And this is the biggest bit of advice that I would give anybody that's thinking about getting their life together as regards to their health is, is what isn't about 75 hard that you think you need in order to be successful? And I see people that have done that have lost weight and gained it back or been consistent and lost inconsistency. And they're like, why need you do 75 hard to get back into it? Okay, this is the issue, though. You are relying on a program, give you a level of confidence to think that you have the

worthiness to accomplish something rather than go, I have everything that I need to be successful. It just comes down to me making the decision to do it. Yeah, you're just, I mean, we're getting into external anchors now, right? And that's another topic, right, in which I covered on my last episode with Brian Bogart was a good buddy in mind. If you haven't listened to that episode, it's so good. But I mean, that's the thing, right? I do want to touch on another topic. I mean, we're 53 minutes in right now. Yeah. Let's just round out the hour and do this. And by the way, This is the lot, probably I think my longest show that I've, that I've had. And I'm here for it.

And I love it. I feel like we've been here for five minutes. Yeah. Is, is simply this. Man, these, these, these assholes, they're, let me back up real quick. I'm sorry, guys. What we're talking about here? I have to get this thought out because it just hit me.

If you guys haven't figured out by now, by listen to me over the last three years, you know I have a very high level of ADHD. All right. So leave me alone. All right. I see a butterfly and I'm gone. 75 hard is a lead magnet to first form. 100%. And he is a freaking genius.

There's nothing, dude, I have nothing negative to say about the real Andy for Sala. The big one, the big tall one. Yeah. The actual one. He's amazing. Like the, the genius behind 75 hard. drives people to first form and it has exploded his brain

and it's almost comical when these network marketing companies feel like I keep losing the first form and I can't figure out why I'm like are you watching? Like are you watching? Like he has literally captivated the whole country

and people in Canada because of his marketing skills. He is a genius. Andy, I love you, man. Great. program, great lead magnet, phenomenal business plan. Yeah.

I had to say that. No, dude, I agree. You want to, I think, you want to know what 75 hard has done for, has done more than anything else I've seen. It's built a cultural movement, but has built a group of people that just want to be what it is. They want to be a group of hard-nosed mother truckers that have a level of discipline that's legitimately unheard of.

And I do that. I can say right now, I respect that. There's something I want to make sure that I say is I have nothing against the 75 hard program. I just, I don't think it is the most successful program out there. But dude, I ran 75 hard and I can tell you right now, I was, I was six and a half, seven percent body fat down in 75 days. Bro, you, you look like a freaking, you look like my TRX. Like you were, you're a menacing. It was that, that was, that was, I think that was one of the best. best Mizzis that I've ever built.

But so, yeah, it's not, I will not tell you that it's not effective for sure. No, it's effective. Um, I got down to 179 pounds. Jeez, dude. I was probably doing like 30,000 steps a day, though. I mean, I mean, I think I was running five miles every day. Yeah. And now I can't run at all.

Hmm, I wonder why. Um, so the last topic. And I think, I really want the audience. to hear this because it's something that you and I talk about and we kind of make fun of all the time is these assholes talking about these specialty diets like carnivore or keto keto sucks

dude I just pulled out of yesterday I did you yeah I did um bro I literally I can't sand them I'm gonna be you um and here here's the funny part I struggled I struggled for a while to grow my following on social media and then I started like there's a couple people I follow because

I like some things they say, but they get radical with stuff. And, you know, a big one is, and I can use his subtitle because people know who it is, a carnivore MD. I'm not going to use his name, but he's a smart guy. He's a doctor. He's, I think he's a psychiatrist, I believe. But he has come out of nowhere, probably the past, I would say seven to 10 years with this as a nutrition expert. And here's my issue is there was a post he made the other day completely.

completely demonizing spinach because spinach is high in oxalids and and not to get into the science side of things but oxalots obviously aren't the best thing for you but our body produces them naturally but these guys that what you're talking with the fad diets they will take one thing and this is what I said in my video and they will absolutely hone in on that one thing to discredit any other diet like like vegan vegetarians do with meat well red meat causes cancer and it kills you. There's no legitimate statistical evidence that's long, that's really like it can be portrayed across multiple case studies that shows that. It's wrong. But it's the same thing with carnivores. It's carnivores will tell you, well, vegetables and all these things and the

oxalates and linoleic acid and defense chemicals are what's killing you. And it's like, if you're predisposed to that kind of thing, yeah. But what you're saying, it drives me up a wall because what pissed me off the most about the post about spinach was that like third comment down was somebody saying, well, if spinach isn't good anymore than I just give up, that is the problem with these fat, you take somebody that's eating McDonald's and Taco Bell and Burger King every day and I'm switching to a spinach salad and a spinach wrap and this and they see that post, why wouldn't I just go back to eat McDonald's? And if this is bad too, what's the point?

Yeah. Yeah. You know, I think I think the big thing around these fad diets, like, Whole 30, keto, carnivore, whatever, they're all successful because you're depleting your system of something, right? Like with carnivore, you're working on calories, fats, and proteins. And everybody knows as long as you hit your calories and your protein for the day, you're going to look good. But if you deplete yourself of carbohydrates, you're going to flatten out very quickly.

All that water is gone. But the moment you eat a carbohydrate, you're cooked. You're just going to blow back up because you're going to binge it because you've been depleted for so long. But the one common denominator in all these fad diets is people are just looking to do something quickly. Yeah. It's fast. It's fast results. Dude, that's all it is.

But again, that goes with the immediate gratification thing we talked about. Dude, for anybody listening, if you want to know the legitimacy behind all these diets, all of them, what all of of them collectively have in common, keto, paleo, carnivore, animal-based, vegan, vegetarian, here is what they all do that will get your results. They are removing a lot of the processed food from your diet, the chips, the pretzels, the donuts, the stuff that's loaded with stuff that just, it's, they're all inflammatorys. They're all removing those processed foods and they're putting you in a calorie deficit. Guys, you have to try to not lose weight and burn fat with those two things going on.

You're going to tell me that you're going to remove the things that blow me, and then you're also going to deprive me of an energy source so that my body has to start burning more and more frequently. That's the magic pill behind all of it, guys. They all have it in common. Here is where I would challenge you to start to look at the legitimacy of these programs is I did a borderline carnivore, but it was really animal base for a year for my bulk. I have been in seller health my entire life.

My blood work has always come back with flying colors. My liver enzymes were up. My kidney numbers were up. My cholesterol was a 159. My LDL, which is not good. My ASC, my ALT, which that's it. The numbers were up because nobody talks about, well, what does, what do these diets look like in a surplus? It's all what I said.

You're depriving people of calories and you're removing the bullcrap from their diet. that's that's that's that's any successful diet yeah i think the important thing y'all is to understand one very important point that josh is talking about and if you have any questions his contact information is going to be in my show notes you can go on my instagram and find coach josh marciano um and in indulge in his content and connect with him and how hire him right you know hire him as your coach i mean listen if you want someone that's going to give it to you straight he's one of those dudes the thing that you're going to have to understand is he's talking about one thing calorie deficit and he's going to put you in a calorie deficit too but he's going to do it

a very natural way right um i remember the first week on his program i said josh i i can't eat anymore this is this is brutal you know i'm taking in 230 grams of protein right now that's a lot you know i think one of my comments was like bro where my carbs he's like well you're an endomorph dude like that's where we're going i'm like 115 carbohydrates a day like what are you trying to do to me and the reality is my fats are to a level you know my proteins to a level is keeping me satiated right so there's plenty of there's plenty more ways

more than one way to skin a cat as we've always understood but just understand one thing when you're looking to, you know, create habits to get in better physical condition, better mental capacity or whatever it is you're doing because your fitness level and your nutrition is going to aid that mental capacity is just make small improvements and being a calorie deficit and prioritize protein. You do that for six months. You're going to be very pleased with yourself. I mean, that's just the way it is.

Yeah. So, well, shoot, dude. real quick, you have a program that people can, you know, get into if they're looking to try you out a little bit. I don't know if you're doing the 21 day kind of intro thing or have you shit can that? I am, dude. I am. So I'm actually, I'll actually, it's up. I think I'm going to have a 14, 14 day free challenge that I'm going to run year round. I'm actually getting ready to announce that probably today.

But I'll probably run that year round just because it allows. people to kind of slide into the program and see what it's like, get a taste for it, and whatnot. But that would be my best bet for people or my best recommendation for people is because, look, I get it. I understand it since anything like anything else, it can make you hesitant when you start to make that journey. But I promise you guys, it's, and Sean, you can attest this too. When you start to build a healthy and fit body, when you walk into the room, there's a, a different level of respect for you.

It's not this meathead obsessed with himself or herself approach anymore. There's a, you become a status symbol because the only way for them to have built that body is through hard work, sacrifice, determination. And that is, that's it. That's it. And I would push it. Well said, man. Well said.

So guys, hit him up, check them out. enroll in a free 14-day program. I'm always going to allow my guests to plug their stuff, especially this man. Josh, dude, it's been a great, great pleasure. We are an hour and five minutes in.

And hey, bro, it was meant to be. I love you, dude. Thank you for being such an amazing friend and such a steward of your industry. Until next time,

guys, Josh, thanks again, and we'll see you guys soon. Appreciate you, brother. Have a blessing.