Determined Society with Shawn French | Adversity & Mindset - Netflix: Black Rabbit with Chris Coy

Episode Date: September 22, 2025

What does determination look like in Hollywood—and beyond? In this episode of The Determined Society, Shawn French sits down with his cousin, Chris Coy, the acclaimed actor known for roles in The Deuce, The Walking Dead, Treme, True Blood, and more. Chris shares the realities of the entertainment industry: the grind, the setbacks, the pressure, and the wins. But more than credits on screen, his story is about perseverance, family, and staying grounded in an unpredictable world. This episode covers: -Chris Coy’s journey from small-town roots to big Hollywood productions -The lessons from years of auditions, rejections, and breakthroughs -Balancing family and career in an industry that never stops -The unfiltered truth about the sacrifices behind success -Why determination—on set and in life—is the real measure of success Whether you know him from HBO or AMC, or you’re hearing from him for the first time, Chris Coy’s conversation will give you an inside look at the grit it takes to chase a dream and live it every day. Connect with me : https://link.me/theshawnfrench?fbclid=PAZXh0bgNhZW0CMTEAAaY2s9TipS1cPaEZZ9h692pnV-rlsO-lzvK6LSFGtkKZ53WvtCAYTKY7lmQ_aem_OY08g381oa759QqTr7iPGA Chris Coy https://www.instagram.com/christopherjamescoy/ Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

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An action thriller. There's a bag of money and a gun. Who's going to get it? And then there are other really, really nuanced and beautiful moments where it is a family drama. It's really highly relatable content. Zach Bailen and Kate Sussman are the two creators of the show. And really intelligent of them to make this show that's really fun to watch. and it's dark. Good guys, bad guys, that sort of shit. But threaded through all of that is this

sort of emotional turmoil and this family dynamic that so many of us know all too well, even if we never talk about it. All right, everybody, I got Chris Coy here. This one special, he's my cousin. And he's a very successful actor. He's been in a lot of different things back in the day. He's been in so much, I'm going to miss a lot, but he's been in Trimay, been in Banshee, True Blood. I had a bunch of kids. cameos in TV, been in The Walking Dead, but most recently he's got a new one coming out, co-starring with Jason Bateman and Jude Law with Black Rabbit on Netflix, man. What's up, baby?

Hey, because God, I love you. It's good to see you. I love you too, man. How cool is it that as family, we get to hop on a show and talk about your career and you can be on my show. Actually, this is the second time, but like the first time you were like wearing, Jorts and the show sucked. And I don't know if we're good now, but I think we're getting a little better.

I think some things have amplified for both of us. Maybe a little bit, right? Maybe a little bit, yeah. But no, dude, it's just, it's fun that we get this opportunity to do this. So walk me through what's going on, man. Dude, I mean, life's good. On the personal side, you know, we're renovating this house. We probably bid off more than we could chew, but we're, you know, one room at a time in it.

And that's fun, learning a lot, breaking some stuff here and there. And kids are good. Happy, healthy, volleyball and jujitsu and, you know, they're doing their thing. And I'm, God, just love and watching. That's definitely like. That's awesome. That's the best role I've got. I know you feel the same way.

Like, that father's stuff is just, oh. It's the hardest, though, isn't it? It's the best role, but it's the hardest. You know, it's what I think it's what. It's where it's where I like measure myself on the daily, you know, like, how did I, how did I do today, you know, and what kind of later tomorrow with them? But anyway, so they're good. Alice is good.

She's still patience and tolerant of me and, uh, you know. God bless her, man. What a saint. It's true. It's true, man. Jesus. God, never, never been happier there. And then, and then professionally, you know, waiting on this show to drop.

It actually had its world premiere last night in Toronto at TIF. Yeah, TIF, yeah. Which was fun. I guess by the time this airs, you know, it will have been a week ago or so. But looking good, people are liking it. But for me, I mean, it's, and this is selfish, I guess, but I just love it. I love the show and I love working on it and dreamy, you know, going. to work every day and all

of my stuff is either with Jason Bateman or Jude Law or a combination of the two and then the rest of my stuff is with this Academy Award winning deaf actor named Troy Kotzer who's just an absolute icon and

and so yeah like you get to work every day and you're with those guys across from you on camera and then behind camera is like Jason's directing some episodes or Laura Lenny directed two episodes and it's guy Ben Semenoff, who was the DP for Ozark, and this guy, Justin Kirchsel, who's like this huge, out-and-coming independent film, and soon to be just like a huge, huge weapon in the industry director.

And then producing-wise, you got Michael Costigan and Eric Kay. Like, these are all just like, those are huge names, you know? I know. It's like such a cool feeling, and you know this feeling, I know you do. Going to work and being in a room and you look up or you look around. and it's just all stars. And you're like, and like,

I'm in the right room? And like, dude, I know that feeling all too too. You know? Like, um, yeah,

we all have like, humble beginnings and, and really kind of like, I think that, you know, you, you probably relate to this more than most. Um,

not just because, you know, we're family, but because I know where you come from. You know, we both like set off on this endeavor. And I think a lot of people that were in our, year who cared about us.

We're like, maybe don't. Like, it's tough. That's hard. It's, you know, and, um, and so to end up in this place where, where your peers are people that you maybe once looked up to. And, and to feel like, despite that initial reaction of like, am I in the right room, to ultimately feel like you belong there is, man, it's so, um, so beautiful. It's, it's, it's, it's, it's an interesting.

interesting thing, right? Because you talked about, you know, most of your stuff on camera, then even behind cameras with Jude or Jason Bateman, right? And so, like, you ever think, again, we both are very confident in our abilities, but also times were like, like you said, am I in mine the right room? You grew up, I know you grew up watching Jason Bateman. Now you're sitting here in this limited series with him. What, what is that like for you? Dude, not even just like sitting with him. Now I'm in this limited series with like a gun in his face being like, shut the like, and then they're like,

I don't want to do this my whole life. And they're like, cut and I'm like, I'm so sorry. You okay? And he's like, you ain't, motherfucker. Like, he's fucking great. He's funny, dude. He's a talented dude, man. And like,

on and off camera, that remains constant. Like, really funny guy, highly likable. So smart. And great leader. great director, just like kind of like one of the

just one of the boys, like just a good dude. Like you don't, you really quickly forget that you're sort of standing next to this man that you've in one way or the other known your whole life and looked up to and there's always been the separation between you.

He quickly puts all that to rest. That's badass. That's a true professional, man. Yeah. And Jude, And Jude is the same way, albeit a different character. Jude kind of glides by you. And you're like, oh, my God, that's Jude law.

But when he glides up to you, he's just such a good man. They both are. And that's the other thing, too, is that in their personal lives, too, like we're talking just two family men, love their kids, love their partners, you know, dedicated them, and disappointed. You know, what you were talking about earlier. That's amazing, dude.

It's good to know that because you see people on screen. You don't know what they're like, you know, off camera. Like, you look at Barry Bonds. You know, you're the best baseball player ever, but you know he has his things, right? Like, he's not very approachable. So it's always nice when, you know, you have someone on screen. Like for me, you know, I'm not an actor yet.

But I sit there and I'm going to throw that in there. But I sit there and I'm watching Jason Bateman. And I'm like, I'm wondering what that guy's really like in real life. You know what I mean? Because you grow up and you see somebody in so many multifaceted roles. But again, like all to say, this episode is not about him. It's about you and your experience within this series. But like, but dude, like I watched the trailer, obviously.

I watched it multiple times because you're in it like three times. I'm like, holy shit, you know, this is really, really cool. Drops the 18th, right? Drops the 18th. What are you allowed to share? I'm assuming you're allowed to share what's public. For those people that haven't gone and watched a trailer and read the synopsis about what this show's about, can you give them something? And we're going to take a quick break to hear from our powered by sponsor.

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you know, after it's available to the public. It probably will. Yeah, then there's not much that I'm, that I need to be right lit on. But for safety's sake, I mean, what I can share is that it's exhilarating. It's highly propulsive. It's, it's very much, well, it's a layered show, though, man. There's definitely, there are tons and tons of moments where it is an action, thriller, you know, there's a bag of money and a gun and like, you know, who's going to get it?

Who's, you know? And then there are other, God, really, really nuanced and beautiful moments where it is a family drama, where it is a story of siblings and the dynamic between them and what happens when these two people who grew up in the same house ended up very different people who actually. despite growing up in the same house, maybe had two very different experiences. And that consequently led to them ending up on the opposite side of this spectrum. And is that conducive to success? And sometimes with siblings it can be.

And then sometimes it can be debilitating. And how many of us have a relationship with a sibling or a family member where man, they're fun to be around, but they're sort of toxic. And they kind of get in you whenever you're with them. Or, you know, they're volatile. And you might say the wrong thing that might set them off. And then, you know, and so the show is really fun to watch. And like I said, really proactive and sort of easy to just get like locked in on. But there's also, it's really highly relatable content because we, it doesn't. It doesn't. doesn't really matter where you come from socioeconomically even or culturally.

Like, that's just a through line in families. Like, there's just, there's bound to be some drama and some volatility. And, and we all directly or indirectly know what that feels like, you know, we've either stupid or been in it before. And, and I think the show does a really good job of threading all of that. that's interesting because, like, as you're going through that, like, you know, I mean, of course I have, you know, Angela of my sister. We have two different definitions of our childhood. And that's not to say hers is wrong or mine is right or vice versa.

But like every family has different dynamics. And I love the fact that you're pointing out that this show kind of shows that because, you know, there could be five siblings in a house. And every single one of them is going to be different. they're going to view their parents differently. They're going to view each other differently. One's going to be closer to maybe one or two of them and maybe despise one of them for reasons that are beyond any one of their control.

To be quite honest, it's just the conditioning of the environment. So I think that's interesting, dude. That's a very dynamic piece from what I'm hearing about this film. I'm excited to see it. Yeah, it's cool. And the idea, too, that, like, you know, those differences can arise in childhood or as a consequence of their childhood or even, you know, sometimes I feel like I've got three kids upstairs and they all grew up with the same parents and the same loving

home, but they're three different souls. Those are three different beings and they butt heads sometimes because of that. But what's sort of interesting about the show or what some of it is about is that no matter where we go in life or how we grow or how far apart we grow, some of that stuff stays. Some of that stuff stays the same. You're at 40 years old. In some ways, despite or within all the growth elsewhere,

there's still that same kid in there. And like, you know, in the same pain or trauma or joy or, you know, whatever lessons you took from that childhood, like you carry those things with you all the time. And the show really kind of touches on that, you know, and how much patience do you have for this person and how much tolerance

do you have? And then, like, even if you run out of patience or tolerance, you still love them. You could be, like, addicted to this bad family member because you just love them or you feel them or you know where they came from. And so you continuously let them back in. It's very interesting, dude, because we're talking about we be in our 40s. You know, we've grown. own so many different ways, but there's that little boy or little girl there still dealing with the trauma. It's so crazy to me because as you're, as you're walking through that, like, I can think of many relationships within my family, right? Many of them. And it's like, love them, but it's also, I've grown in so many different areas, but I still hold on to certain

things and it's hard to get through them. It is really hard to get, you know what I mean? Because like, how do you, how do you go back? Like, how do you, you know, circumvent and just like, hey, let's pick this back up. Like, where did we go wrong? Because you fear that the reaction is going to be the same as it was 10 years ago. So you fall into this area where like everything is just status quo and just continue living your life and growing, but then you don't know that other person. That's right.

Yeah, and it's such a, and that's such a, it's just a part of the human experience for so many of us. And I think that it was really smart of Zach. Bailin and Kate Sussman are the two creators of the show. They wrote the whole thing. And really intelligent of them to make this show that's really fun to watch and it's dark. And there's like, like you said, and there's many moments where it's a bag of money and a gun and a cat and mouse and, you know, good guys, bad guys, that sort of shit. But threaded through all of that is this sort of emotional turmoil and this family dynamic that so many.

of us know all too well, even if we never talk about it. And so like all of a sudden you're watching this thing and you're not, you might not even tell the person you're watching it with like, damn, that's me and my sister. That's me and my brother. But in here, you're going to be like, oh, I know exactly what he's

feeling right now. It's crazy because I was watching, I've watched a trailer a few times, like I said. And when you're talking about like the gun in a bag of money, the intensity, the darkness, but then Bademan will throw in

some fucking weird humor you know, like he showed up at the thing he said there with no shoes on. He's like, I got a good price on the bus. He's like, you sold your fucking shoes on the bus.

He's like, I'm chipping away at this motherfucker. You know, and it's just, I'm doing, yes, I'm doing my part and it's just like,

he's super serious because his backs against the wall, but it's still funny ass Jason Bate. Yeah, yeah, of course.

I think that, you know, he, God, he's such, a brilliant performer and he's so circling back to the experience of working with him. Like he's so fun to

work with because of that. He's real loose and Jude plays it that way too fast and loose. Like, yeah, we've done our work because we're disciplined people. We've done our prep. We know the scene back and forth. We know my lines, your lines, his lines, her lines. Now we're here. Let's let all of that

go and play. And we'll just see where we land, where we end up. What comes out organically in this moment? And so many times kind of what naturally falls out of Jason's mouth. It's like it's right on tone and it's perfectly fitted in that in that moment and in that scene. It's also just like, it's funny. And that's such weaponry to have. And he knows that. He's a self-aware artist. And he'll just whip that shit out whenever he wants to and he'll break you in the scene sometimes. But he's, he's hip to that too. He knows he's going to and you break. And he's like, okay, you're ready. Let's take it back,

take it back and then we go again and he says the same thing again and it lands works and you know and he's fun to work with as a director too for those reasons because he he wants you to play like that and that brings uh that elevates your own performance you know again as long as you've done all the prep work and you've done your job and you've shown up um Tom Hanks years ago there's an interview where he said and I don't I think he said that he heard somebody else say this but he says, you know, your job is show up on time, know your lines, and have an idea. And unfortunately, there's so many times where I've ended up on set and whoever I'm across from hasn't done those things.

And it ultimately just makes, it's not good for them, you know. The rest of us, we'll figure out a way around that. We'll, you know. But he's a great director to work with if you have done those things because he wants your idea. And, like, he wants you to play. He wants, you know, you're like, what if I did then? He's like, don't even tell me. Just go.

Let's go. Let's see what happens. And like, man, that's so conducive to success on camera. That's pretty cool because we had a conversation on the phone the other day. I said, you know, I don't know if I'd ever be able to memorize like line for line for line for one. He's like, no, dude, like the great ones, they have an idea. They've done their work. But then they just go with what feels naturally.

How much of that really happens? on camera. A ton. I mean, you know, it, it can be specific to the set. There are certainly sets you're on where it's a little more rigid, where it's a little more or a lot more about the writing. And, you know, like we work on a David Simon show, like Tramé or The Deuce. You don't mess what David Simon or George Pelicanos is writing because they're brilliant or Richard

Price. talking about these guys are novelists and journalists and like they words are their weaponry and so like don't mess with those because there's rhythm and beats built into the words it's like Shakespeare

like just just say the text just do it just memorize the shit and do it and do it what did you what did you this character you know your role that you played in this in this series what did you learn about yourself because I know like a lot of times man you know

talk about actors and actresses, they take on the role, right? They take on that personality. Was there any of that going on? And basically, like, what did this, what did this role teach you? Yeah. What's great about Babbitt, my character's name is Ryan Babbitt. And a lot of the times in my career, which I'm grateful for, I've been really lucky to do a lot of character work. Like, I've played a lot of characters and or real people that didn't look like me or sound like me or walk like me or, you know, and, and, and certainly in my more villainous work, like, that didn't feel like me at all, you know, where I'm, I'm doing Mental Olympics to justify their actions because every bad guy thinks he's saving the world in his own way, you know, like bad guys don't think they're, they think they're the hero.

And with Babbitt, I didn't have to do a lot of that or I didn't have to do much like soul searching to find this guy because he's a smart guy who's maybe too smart to be this like callow amateurish criminal. But he got into some trouble right out of high school and so he couldn't go to college and or he could go. or he could go to college, but he didn't, he didn't think he was going to be able to get a good job because he, you know, spent some time in prison and, and he gets out. And what he has done while he's in prison is he's,

he's developed, um, a relationship via loyalty and keeping his mouth shot to this crime boss play by Troy Cozzer. And so that's obviously different from my life, albeit that I had, you know, I had some checkered years and I had some moments and,

and so I could pull from those experience to relate to Ryan. But other than that, he's really like, he's a good man who's ended up in an unsavory profession. And he's doing his best to like get to a higher place in life, which me too. Like, I'm just trying to elevate every day. I'm just trying to, what can I do to make this all work a little smoother? be a little easier, you know. And, and Babbitt is doing the same thing. But, um, oftentimes with characters, I like, I like to find a way that, that they're a better man than me or they're better at something than I am to then give me incentive to like, get better. Like,

let me, let me, let me not only, you know, take this character and try and deliver it properly on screen, but how can I utilize this character work and capitalize on something to better myself? And I could go into the ways that other characters have done that for me. But with Ryan, with Babette, I felt like he's more disciplined than me, maybe. And in the moment when I was building him, I was like, okay, obviously like, I want him to be big and dangerous and jacked. and so like I'm going to work out, but I've done that before.

I've ripped up guys for character work before. And so I was like, what, what's even more? Like what, and then what's maybe surprising about him? And I was like, well, my counterpart in this show, I have like partner in crime and he's a bit of an addict. And it's not in any way that's like a big, it's not a big story point or anything like that. It's just there. And the reason that you sort of get away with it just being there is because the audience or even, you know, know, me, the audience says I'm reading the script and it's like, you know, he does a bump

cocaine. You don't even go like, oh, he's an addict. He's a criminal. And so you're like, oh, yeah, of course you do it. And it means nothing to you. And so for me, I was like, what if, what if Babbitt, he's fully sober and clear and he doesn't just work out. He's paleo and he doesn't drink alcohol and he has never done a drug like he is a consummate professional in this dirty grimy criminal underworld and yeah and it was and ultimately what it did is that you know I look better I think on on screen on this show that I've ever looked because I'm healthier than I ever was but what I learned about myself as a consequence of that action was that those things work and that I feel better when I'm healthy and when I'm sober.

And I mean, God, this is revelatory. I don't know if anybody's ever said this out loud before, but I replaced alcohol with water and I feel amazing. Oh, okay. Yeah. Yeah, I don't touch alcohol, dude. Yeah. I mean, Chris, like, I got to tell you, man, like I went through my own journey, man.

And it's almost like, you know, you go through these points in times where you look at your life. You're like, why am I stuck? Like, why am I not elevating to where I want to? be because you know the potential that you have. I think everybody, if they sit there and say, like, I really don't know what I'm capable of. I just think they're afraid to voice it out loud or even to acknowledge it because then they have to move on it, right? So the fear takes over. But like, I had to, dude, I had to get on fat, bro. Like I was like, this is too much. I have to watch what I eat. I have to work out constantly. And I have to lean the hell up. And the moment I

did that, everything for me changed. Like literally, Everything. Because, because, dude, it brings the level of discipline and you, the type of confidence

you build when you're doing something very, very difficult, it's like the one thing, right? For me, that's what my one thing was. For you or for somebody else,

it might be something completely different. Could be they, they just need to read more, but they're stuck and they don't. Right? Sure. And once you take care of that one thing,

that cleans up your side of the street, like, you never grow to a point that you're supposed to. But like, dude, when you talk about, replacing alcohol with water.

Like, man, like, I used to be the point where the only time I really drink would be college football season. We've just completed week three. I've had zero drinks. Like, I just don't, dude, honestly, like, I'm not against people drinking. Neither. I'm not this. I never had a problem, you know, but, like, I just don't like the way it makes me feel.

It makes me sluggish. I'm not as dialed in. I'm not as disciplined. So why the hell would I do it? If it doesn't make my boat go faster, I can't. touching it. Right. And even, and I'm okay with the language that I'm just, I've gotten older than it affects me more or whatever. Like, you know, I just know that similarly, you know, you're talking about football season like yesterday, you know, opening Sunday. I'm at a buddy's house for like football

day. We're all watching three quarters of them or beer drinkers, bourbon drinkers, whatever. I don't even think anybody noticed that I drank 12 seltzer waters, you know, and nothing else. But I would have noticed had I had a beer and I just don't have a desire. That's not necessarily true. It's not that I don't have a desire to have a beer every now and then or something still, but I just know that I don't really need it and that like I'll feel better tomorrow if I don't. And I have kind of gotten addicted to that.

I've gotten addicted to feeling kind of better every day and in my workouts. It's just like kind of like you said, man. Like once I eliminated that thing. just wild how societally, like, we're sort of conditioned, even via movies and television shows or whatever, like, just people are always drinking. They're just always grabbing a beer, you know, and that's, and again, I got no issue with anybody who drinks, you know, to each their own. But we're sort of conditioned to think that, like, it's, it's not really not big of a deal. And the, it's out of whack how much better it made me feel when I stopped doing it, if indeed

it's not really a big deal. And I was lucky physically, like you said earlier, like, you know, I've always worked out and I maintain pretty well and via my occupation. Like it pays me to stay fit. And so I stayed fit through those years while I was still drinking. And so I didn't have this in the mirror reminder that like, yo, you should stop doing this. but it's still man like as soon as I stopped like just wake up better

my workouts are are easier my progress after the workout comes faster my thoughts are quicker and clear my vocabulary increased like it was like in so many things like just started feeling like

oh all of my functions are operating at higher capacity now and well now you can do your job better too. Exactly. Why would I ever go back? It's like I got to,

I turned up the volume cerebrally a little bit. And, and now I'm addicted to that feeling. And, you know, God, I love that, dude, turned up the volume cerebrally. That is a great explanation for it.

I'm just so much more in touch with certain things. You know, like even my intuition. Right. Like, I'm very locked in on it now. Whereas before, you know, I could be wrong about it. I'm not saying I'm 100% on. I'm not. Jackie will tell you that I'm,

she's way more on intuition than I am. But, like, how many figures are you? How many figures are I holding up over here? 17. It's just one. So, just one.

Dang it. So I was missing the, just the one. Just the one. There he is. Chris is finally here. threw me the bird on the camera. God dang,

man. I love you, man. I'm really excited to see this man like okay so you said you loved it you said you loved it you got to screen it you've seen it everything I almost asked you last time

I'm like giving your login to your Netflix bitch but no yeah hey hey hey hey hey hey hey they're hip to that it only works on one device I know they are gosh it's like the the freaking the Netflix police no dude I'm gonna wait until it comes out it's only a

couple weeks, dude. So, you know, I'm, I'm jacked up about it. And I always love the characters, but, you know, you can just sit there. Oh, you guys, you're not doing the two episodes, like, and then home now for a week? I guess Netflix doesn't really do that. Netflix drops it all at once and it's globally up with this one. So like, following time. They do do that. Yeah. They do do that on the damn love is blind. It pisses me off. Oh, maybe. Okay. Sure. Sure. Well, with us, with us, we don't love my reality shows. I love my reality shows at all That's good man

So you'll Jack you'll wake up in the middle of the night See me on night one Two o'clock in the morning How many episodes is it? It's eight episodes Oh lovely good And you know

It's pretty Pretty fast-paced You know Kind of hard to put down Okay But then like with enough relief in there To kind of like Where you stop sweating

you know, and let your heart rate come down and, you know, enjoy some drama. And then like, and then here we step again. There was one show. I can't remember what it was. Like, my heart rate was up the whole damn time. I can't remember what it was. Oh, it was adolescent. Oh, yeah.

Yeah. People love that show. I haven't seen it yet. Watch it. Yeah. It's crazy. It parallels real life so much, dude. and I was actually on Pierce Morgan show,

and we talked about that the first time I was on, and it was just like my first exposure to like big media, and I'm like, what the hell's going on? Like this is, you know, people are actually literally talking about Hollywood impacting real life. And I've seen it in so many different areas.

Like you look at the Menendez brothers, right? That limited series came out and they got another, they got a retrial, right? They got a resentencing or whatever. And then, you know, Amy Bradley disappears on a cruise how many years ago. Now, oh, we think she's a lot. When did making plans get this complicated?

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Learn more at WhatsApp.com. Life so. We think we saw her. Now that thing's back open. So I don't think people realize how impactful Hollywood truly is, man. And it's just really cool. Even if it's, you know, a show like yours where it's fiction, right? But it parallels real life so much that it gets people to think. I think those are the best shows. Yeah, me too. Again, that's why I'm really, really proud to be a part of this one for that reason. You know, I think that in the home, in the living room, whether they're watching the show, there's going to be a lot of people who maybe, who maybe don't feel seen in their trauma when they're watching TV or movies as much as, as this is going to kind of touch them.

And there's a lot of, there's a lot of different characters in the show. It's a big ensemble. And everybody kind of has their own struggle they're going through. And that's, and that's talked about in the show. And it's going to be, I mean, there's going to be a lot of people, I think the one they're watching it,

are going to be like, man, I'm, I'm Jake, or I'm Vince, or I'm, you know, there's, it's really, really, it's cool, man. You know, there's one show, sorry, there was one show that everybody always compared himself to. Do you know what that show is? Mm-mm. Friends. Friends. Yeah.

Yeah. you're you're you know what I'm talking about like somebody's like oh I'm joking me like no bitch you're Ross yeah and I was gonna say everybody thinks they're one person and anybody around them is like no you're definitely Chandler dude my wife goes and of course you know Jackie but you know she goes who am I who am I in this I'm like you are you serious and she goes yeah I go dude you're fucking Monica you're OCD so you're about to make a trade based on a friend's text but which you do you listen to is it we could buy a house

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She even like kind of looks like Monica or something. There's like a little bit of, I feel like there's a little bit of Monumentary in there. Yeah. I want her know that. She's like, I'm Hispanic. Courtney Cox is not the Spanish. Like,

oh, here we go to Hispanic. Yeah, heard, heard, heard. But dude, as we start landing the plane here,

I think I read somewhere that you have something else coming out in 20206. Are you allowed to talk about that? Sure. Or? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Yeah, which I shot at the same exact time, which was maybe the most baller I've ever felt. Like I was... That's badass, dude. I was in New York shooting Black Rabbit and they would have to like,

schedule me out and wrap me so I can race to the airport, hop on a flight, fly to Atlanta, and then film this movie with Anne Hathaway and Ewan McGregor. And it's called Flowervale Street. And they've already, yeah, they've released some, some photos and stuff. So I can say that it's, it's like a, it sort of presents itself as like a family drama,

but then at a certain point it becomes this epic dinosaur film. Oh, really? That's interesting. Yeah. What's that? Were you a T-Rex? Teradactyl.

Teraductal. Yeah. I got wings, baby. We got wings, baby. But so, yeah, that'll come out in, it's like a year from now. It's like August of 2026 because it's an IMAX release. And so, for whatever reason, that incentivized them to lock in this date quite a bit down the road. school? Yeah, it's fun.

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Both fine people. You and Jude were roommates when they were in their early 20s in London. It was the two of them. No way. Yeah. The two of them and Angelina Jolie. In one apartment, one house? One flat in London.

And Johnny Lee Miller, who has. ended up marrying Angelina the years later. But yeah, the four of them are all in this apartment in their 20s before any of them made it. And so wild. Ewan was like telling me stories about, you know, Jude was like the loser who's sleeping on the couch. You never paid his rent. And like, and I would be in Atlanta and Ewan would like tell me a story. And then I would fly back to New York and I'd relay that story to Jude.

And he'd be like, yeah, that's true. Did you tell you? I stole it. You were the shit star. You were stirring shit. I was kind of a little bit, but like on this, like major league level, like it was like, oh, absolutely. It's the big leagues.

You know, it was so much fun. Yeah. That's like, that's freaking awesome. And they were both great sports about it. And it was fun, you know. That's good, man.

Dude, thank you. Thank you for coming on, man. And I love you. About Black Rabbit. Dude, I love you too, man. This is such a blessing, bro.

So good to see you. I can't wait to see you on the screen, do. I want to get you. I want to get you in the Facebook. family out here to the house too. Let's do a little. Let's do it. You know.

Let's do it. I'll text your call you at here after and set something up. Yeah, dude. Hit me up tomorrow actually. I got, I'm slanned the rest of the day. But hit me up tomorrow. We'll get with Jackie and we'll do it because I need some time with my cousin. Yeah, man.

Come see the farm. You know, that would be fun, dude. It's been like a week there. You should do like a week. Do it. Yeah. Dude, I'm down. Trust me.

You stay much longer than a week and I'll like make you help me with renovations and shit. So like a week's like a nice... I'll bring my tidy whiteys. I'll bring my tidy whiteys. I don't have me. I'll go buy some. Okay.

And you know, you'll wake up and you're like, Alice was shaking her head and you're like, what's going on? She goes... I was wondering how long into the interview we would get before it got real nice and weird. I mean,

yeah, I'm kind of disappointed. Like, yeah, a lot longer than I thought. But you know, we're both a little more locked down than we were. Like, we have to be a certain way now.

We've grown up. We've grown up. I'm proud of us. I mean, imagine that, dude. Imagine that we grew up actually. That shit's crazy. Before we go, I got to say, man, speaking of growing up, you're just earlier talking about Jay Leno and you were on Truss Morgan and all that stuff.

Like, I know you, bro. I remember. I know where we came from. And like, it's so beautiful watching you become emblematic of what your show represents. Like, you are the determinants. the determined society. You, you are such, you're not just the host, you're like, you're the mascot. You're, you're such a picture of determination. It's, it's a beautiful thing. And, uh, I mean that. I love you. I'm proud of you, man. Well, thank you. I mean, I, you know, I get compliments

from time to time, but to hear it come from family that knows my struggle, knows my demons, you know, knows everything about me. It means more, dude. So thank you, dude. And likewise, man. I know where you've come from. You know, I've known what you've gone through and to see you out there still killing it. And you mentioned something earlier in the show. You know, maybe don't go do that. I remember those moments.

I remember when there was this massive, like, drama around you graduating early in the administration at the time. of the high school you went to. I don't want to put him on blast. But fucking Google search, guys, it's not that hard. But, like, I look at it, and I always kind of sat there. And I'm just like, what's the big deal? Like, he has a dream.

Like, if someone told me right now, like, you know, or back then, like, I remember, I can't remember about a song too. I think I might have been talking to my mom. And I go, if someone told me right now to go grab a bat and catchers club and the catcher's mitt and report to the Oakland Athletics, I would have done it in two seconds. So I commend you.

you, dude. Because there weren't, it wasn't all sunshines and rainbows, dude. No, they held like a meeting with the administrators school and brought me, which again, that's what I was saying earlier. It was like, the people who cared about us. It wasn't like, it wasn't Yoshmo being like, he shouldn't do that, you know, it's a pipe dream.

It was like people who were intelligent enough to sort of read the stats and cared enough about us to be, to, they thought they were being protected. But yeah, like, you know, that principle and, and every other administrators sat me down and were like,

you have other options. There's scholarship here and there's, you know, you should go do something else. And looking back and really in the moment, I remember being like proud of that moment as well, but in hindsight, even more so,

like, I love that I was just like, sorry, not sorry, guys, I'm going. You never waver. You never waver.

There was not ever a question. of what you were going to do. Yeah. I mean, this is, this is maybe too personal and only, you know, you, you know exactly what I'm talking about, but that was a grandma, you know, grandma was in this year my whole life being like, you can do anything, man, tell them all to go to hell. Go get, go get it, maybe. Yeah.

Well, yeah, we're still working on it. But now I pass down those same sentiments to my kids, you know, I tell them all the time, like, I'm a dreamer and I'm still working on it. But like, I'm every day right in front of you, there's proof. Like, it can be done. It doesn't matter what anybody tells you. You can figure the shit out. You'll appreciate this, man.

So this morning, you know, every Monday I take the kids at school. Because Jackie has meetings and she can't take them. So I take them, get in there a little bit later. And Mia was sitting there. I was eating with her this morning, right? She goes, I am so lucky to have you as my dad. I'm like, no, kid, just the other way around. I'm lucky that you're my daughter because you make me the father of him,

you, your brother, and your sister. She was no. She goes, I was at school the other day, and my friend came up to me and said, your dad is the determined society. That is so cool. And I'm like, wait, hold on to something. second. Dude, Mia's freaking six. She's in kindergarten. I'm like, Mia, I think you have it messed up. I don't think your friend came to school talking about me and my show. She goes, he did. Your friend's with

his mom, Paul's mom. I'm like, this is wild to me. And he goes, you know, Daddy, it's just really cool because you just help people. And I think that I don't think I'm anything special. I truly don't, man. And, but when you're saying, like, you pass it down to your kids, it, it came up with that thought because, you know, I have three just like you, you know, two girls and a, dude, our karma, two, like, four girls between seeing the two of us, Jesus, right. But I look at it, and it's just like, each one of them has their own set of abilities and talents. Like, Mia, for her entrepreneurship project, like, oh, it's, she. She's not in kindergarten.

She's in first grade. I apologize. She, I guess, got done with kindergarten last year. Great dad, I am. Here we go.

Well, her project, she's like, I want to do an entrepreneur project but I want to do with you. I was like, okay, what do you want to do?

She goes, Panda Talk. I'm like, what's that? She goes, my podcast, let's build it. I'm like,

what? So we did a poster board of, you know, this whole concept of panda talk, but, you know, helping,

children get through their big feelings and how to communicate them to their peers and their parents and their teachers. And so, like, I'm doing this with her. And I'm like, why do you want to do this? She was because you show me it's easy. I was like, okay. I didn't get too deep with them.

I'm like, this is the hardest thing I've ever done. But like, you know, you make it look easy, man. That's cool. I don't know about that, dude. I appreciate that. But God, you know, I look at some of the old stuff. And I'm like, I can't even go back.

But I think that's. If you don't, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if you're not looking back on this path you're on and, and seeing some wreckage back there, I mean, then you probably weren't, you know, doing some risk here hard enough, you know, it should be kind of messy. Yeah. Yeah. I love you. You're just now finding out that. I love that you're just now finding out that most of the demographic that watches your show is elementary school kids. We all knew.

Yeah. We're like-minded. You're the same maturity level. It's like, they're not playing up to me. I can tell you that. I'm going down to them. Like, yeah. It was just kind of amazing to me.

I was like, well, I don't see that on my analytics. I think he's lying. He's a little liar. Yeah. Maybe he's using his parents' account. Not, but dude, this has been such a fun time for me, man. And I'm super excited for your show to come out. And I just, I just can't wait, dude.

Can't wait. So let me ask you one more. A quick question here. So this is a determined society, right? And I want to know what your true definition of determination is. I think that this goes back to, you know, this is sort of a theme throughout what we were talking about, I feel like. But it's always disciplined for me, man.

It's that motivation comes and goes and is an externally created force. It's, you know, things around you're going good, or you see something that you're inspired by, and it motivates you or, you know, the inverse life's been exhausting and you're tired and you're unmotivated now. But discipline comes from within and for me, I'm always trying to focus on what can I control. I can decide that I'm working out whether I feel like it or not. I can, and, you know, we could go into microcosms of that, whatever it is, you know,

getting in the ice bath, like, God, I don't want to fucking do this right now. But we're getting in because I said so. And then once we're in, we're staying in for the full five minutes because I said so. And my mind and my body might be like, get out, get out. But that thing in me that's actually driving, your soul, your whatever you want to call it. Because I said so, man, we're not stopping. Man, dude, that fires me up, bro, because that right there,

is something that I want the audience to really write down because I said so. Because there's something going on in their life right now that they say, you know what, I'm going to do this tomorrow, but then tomorrow comes and they don't do it. So what happens in those moments is you tell yourself that you can't trust yourself. Like if you break your word to yourself, then you can lie to people,

which I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't, I'm not saying go lie to people, but you can. They may never know the truth, but you know when you break a promise to yourself.

And it's usually those moments you break the promise yourself you miss out an opportunity for growth and success. So because I said so, I mean, damn it. Damn it. Damn it. That's it. And consistently doing so. I think that the other, I mean, I quoted Tom Hanks earlier, I might as well do Denzel, too.

Those are my two favorite guy. And I go back to this a lot. Denzel, and he has been filmed and quoted saying this in multiple venues and, scenarios, but he says dreams without goals are just dreams and ultimately they fuel disappointment. And on the road to achieving your goals, you must apply discipline

and more importantly, consistency. Because without commitment, you'll never start, but without consistency, you'll never finish. And like, oh, like that is, I think, a huge part or that philosophy,

the idea that like aside from my discipline the only other highly crucial ingredient is consistency because I can be disciplined today but if I'm not tomorrow we're fucking up

so yeah it's not what you can do once man it's what you can do repeatedly you know for an extended period of time long after the emotion wears off right like that that's the key that's the key I didn't want to do rack pulls today

I didn't want to do sled pulls I didn't want to do belt squats I wanted to do arms, but I did the thing I didn't want to do. Yeah. You know, like, that's, that's the key. That's the key. So, all right, my man, I appreciate you, buddy. Hang tight up for we're done recording.

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