Determined Society with Shawn French | Adversity & Mindset - The Digital Disrupter with Jeremy Greene

Episode Date: August 11, 2025

From millionaire at 26 years old, to prison, to rebuilding it all—Jeremy Greene’s story is anything but ordinary. In this episode of The Determined Society, Jeremy sits down with Shawn French to talk about the meteoric rise of his early digital empire, the emotional and financial fallout of betrayal, and how he’s rewriting the rules of entrepreneurship in real time. You’ll hear the untold story behind the viral app PingTank, Jeremy’s early partnerships with celebrities like Floyd Mayweather and Snoop Dogg, and how one pivotal betrayal cost him everything. But that wasn’t the end. Today, Jeremy’s back, wiser, sharper, and more dangerous—in the best way possible. This episode is a masterclass in resilience, evolution, and what it really takes to rebuild a life, reputation, and empire when everything crashes down. This episode covers: -The tech boom that made Jeremy millions before 30 -What went wrong with PingTank—and the personal fallout -Fame, betrayal, and what prison actually teaches you -Navigating ego, hype culture, and personal redemption -Why Jeremy now refuses to compromise on integrity -How he’s building smarter, faster, and leaner in the new digital era If you feel like you are at your absolute bottom, and giving up seems like the only option, then listen to this. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

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and bring all those movies to you. We have over 21 million pieces of content. To put into hindsight, Netflix has like 6,000, I think. That is insanity. Echo will become one of the biggest platforms in the world. We're quite literally trying to become the Spotify of content. I don't think you understand how crazy it is. Show me all Christmas family movies. Oh my Lord.

So Jeremy, give the audience a little background on you, man. You grew up from humble beginnings, and now you've done some amazing things, been a part of amazing companies, doing something fucking amazing with Echo. So talk to us a little bit, man. Tell the audience who you are. Yeah, so, you know, I'm a kid who came from like a trail park and broken home and, you know, mom was a heroin addict.

Sister was prostituting when I was fucking 13 years old. Brother was a big drug dealer. State took me away age of 13, bounced around from group homes and kids shelters. And in fact, the state of Maine didn't have a place to put me. So they put me a place called the Maine youth center, which was so bad with abuse, the Amnesty International came in and actually. shut the place down and took all the kids out. Holy shit. We had actually found out, like, years later that, so this is going to sound afraid of what I'm about saying,

but this is going to be, you might want to clip this. So I remember when Jeff Epps, Jeffrey Epstein and Glenn Maxwell came out, I was like, how do I know them? Well, they started a modeling agent in New England and we're going to the children's prisons and going like, oh, we're going to turn you into models. I remember Glenn Maxwell walking around the main news center like telling kids she was going to turn them into models.

Holy shit. This is why she was found in New England in that house in fucking New Hampshire. Like this is true. This is true shit. This is true shit I'm talking about here. So I went through hell. You know what I mean? I went through hell.

I never let it drive me, though. I never, like, believed I wasn't capable of doing anything. I just like looked at my family. I was like, yeah, I'm not. never be going to become that. Like, that's, you know, I came to, I came from bullshit. And I mean, I know people look at me like, oh, he's really successful, but I think I'm, like, moderately successful.

I always stay in that zone because, like, I'm always hungry. And I never want to get into a space where, like, I think I've, like, made it because then, like, I, it just, it just doesn't, I don't ever, I don't ever feel like I've made anything. I'm like, oh, if I only, what about the. or how do I achieve that? I live in that spectrum every day of my life. Well, dude, to your point, man, I mean, thank you for sharing that with us.

And, you know, to your point of never stopping and thinking, like, I've made it, right? I think there's something special about that because most successful people, if you look back at the dudes like Kobe Bryant, got rest of soul, wins a world championship next day in the gym at 4 a.m. You're not done.

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and make the investment decision that's right for you. Learn more at finra.org slash trade smart. I tell people no sleeping in the trophy room. Right? It's like, you can have as many trophies as you want.

You're not sleeping in this room and get your fucking ass out there and grab another one. So I, you know, Michael Jordan didn't sit around counting all his rings. Kobe didn't either. They were like,

yo, like, jobs not done. Jobs not finished. Jobs not done. And that's, you know, and I think, that's that mama mentality. I love Kobe, by the way. I think that very few people think that way in the world

because I think people are programmed to believe that they need to rely on all these other things to be successful, to be happy, to be healthy, to be all these things. Everybody's always wondering, if I only did this, I could be happy. If this person was in my life, that could be happy. If I could do this, no one ever since back goes like,

yo, I am responsible for every and anything that I do. and if I fucking want to win, I have to win. I think, you know, it's important, right? Because you're talking about, you know, trophies, right?

But that's not the gift, man. Like, we're built in the journey. And so when you create multiple companies and multiple exits and you become successful in business and in very many successful partnerships with high level people,

it's about who you become in that. That's the gift, man. So that's what's, why you stay hungry because there's more growth, man. It ain't about the fucking money. I'm always in a space where I'm always uncomfortable. Like, you know, I always want to be uncomfortable so I can, I just, I just stay,

I do well thriving when my back's up against the wall. Come on, man. And that's kind of weird. You know, my wife, so I was like, yo, you never get to take a minute to enjoy. And I'm like, well, you enjoy it. My kids enjoy it. My friends all enjoy it. Our employees enjoy it. I get a couple days off, but this is just what I like to do. And when it comes to building businesses, by the way, I have failed way more times than I've been successful.

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Visit good to know facts.org. It's just, I just kept getting up. That's just the way I work. Like, I don't, I've had my shit kicked so many times my ass has footprints in it. I love it, man. I love it. Like, you know what I mean? Like, I've, sorry, no, I said that wrong.

Holy fuck. I've had my ass kicked so many times. My shit has footprints. in it. I said that shit backwards. What I meant to say. Hey, the point taken, though, right? But that's the thing. Back up against the wall. So I didn't come from an upbringing exactly like you.

But I operate best when I'm under extreme amounts of pressure, right? So a point where I got to look around and be like, there ain't no one coming to save me. I got to fight my way out of this. And my wife also goes, when do you stop and enjoy? I go, well I mean I love you baby but hey that ain't it ain't time for that like I'm grateful but but there's much more to do here there's so much more to do my response to that is like it's like kind of like when Ari Gold is like if you like your two weeks a week to each a week to each vacation in France our private schools and the fucking range rover and everybody you drive I got to pick up the fucking phone call on a Tuesday afternoon that's just what it is I remember that scene but but one thing my wife I also is a crazy entrepreneur. My wife is like

world's biggest ballbuster. No way. You're not doing, oh my God. Yeah, 99% of the reason why I'm successful is because my wife is very good at keeping me in certain directions. Like, even people around me. So people come around me, she's like, no, that person's not good for you. And she's like, she doesn't

like remove them, but she knows how to remove them. So she'll drop things like, oh, have you thought about this or thought about that? Like, my wife is very driven in the business that we do. She's present in the company, by the way. everything we built, I built with my wife, which is, you know, crazy. But also, with that comes great sacrifice. You know, anything that's been successful comes a crazy amount of sacrifice.

You know, I mean, just think about how many times you've had the sacrifice to win. Oh, absolutely, man. And it's funny because, you know, I like to hear what you're saying about your wife because my wife's the same. She's also a part of this company. You know, she's with me from the very beginning. And she's also looked me straight dead in the eye at certain times, like, that person does not have your best interest in mind. Like you, this person, that person, they, they can't come.

They can't go. I'm like, no, no, no. And I've not listened before, but now I listen. And it always, have you ever, who was the, there was a guy who said this amazing statement. He was one of the very famous black producers. What's the guy who owns that place in Atlanta? He's like, Tyler Perry. I once I heard Tyler Perry say like

Sometimes you see a rocket ship that's taking off Right And by the way, this is what I'm about to say is I believe it's okay to outgrow people, places and things Come on And you can't always take people with you when you go So one of the best things I've ever heard And I'm not going to take credit for this even though it would be very cool I could probably clip this and fucking get a billion views

But Tyler Perry said like When a spaceship is taking off into the atmosphere it has these two boosters to other rockets that lift it and it's going up into space, right? And it's climbing, climbing, climbing, climbing, climbing, and there's a certain time it gets a certain altitude and those rockets, they fall off, right?

And they just kind of fall to Earth and they keep going. But that rocket just keeps fucking going. It's right on going. Nothing gets in its way. Nothing's, and it just keeps going. But the rockets, who you may even help to get there, kind of fall off because people are with you for a time, a day, a month, a year.

Sometimes it's okay to outgrow people, places and things. And that was one of the best things I think I've ever heard, actually. Reason season or a lifetime, baby. It's fucking good, right? Come on, man, that's so fucking good. He's on the view.

What's that? I like him on the view. I like the mug. Yeah, that's nice, right? What did you get this fucking mug? He's like, it was already coming. It's already coming. So, dude, okay, look.

man echo echo talk to us about echo app because I'm looking at this thing you know have you tried it first of all let's be realistic have you try that no I haven't I was messing around with it I'm like holy shit

like this is cool like I have got on the website it's pretty damn neat let me be very clear Echo is the best Discover engine ever created period and it's the best search engine ever created ever

ever, like ever. Like, you could quite literally grab your remote and you can be like, show me that movie that won the Academy Award in 1995 and it's like, boom, like Forrest Jump will pull up. You can be like, show me movies where people are only wearing sunglasses. Like, it'll search every single movie in the entire world and put it in front of you of everybody wearing sunglasses. You could be like, show me a movie where there's a Ferrari somewhere in the frame, but maybe not on the cover.

And it will literally show you every single movie that has a Ferrari somewhere in the sure. It's a very big deal. It's a very big deal. You'd be like, show me every single movie of Will Smith, and it will search every single platform in the entire world and bring all those movies to you. Because right now, if you usually go say, show me movies of Will Smith on Netflix or any of the platform, it would only search their platform, period, right? Or search every single platform that puts it in front of you and where to watch it

immediately. Wow. But the reason why I just talked about what I just said is that, Try and imagine that you're a Honda, and I say to Honda, hey Honda, I know where every single Toyota is in every single movie ever made. And when that pulls up, I can now run a Honda ad. I understand what's happening in the frames of movies, every single movie. Does that make sense? Yep.

Every movie ever made. We have over 21 million pieces of content. To put in hindsight, Netflix has like 6,000, I think. like we have more content than anybody and we are the best Discover engine ever created. We're actually growing by 250,000 users every single month. When did you launch? When did you launch?

We've launched about like two months ago, two months ago, and we're just quadruple doubling every single month. Like we're doing somewhere between like 60 to 80,000 trailer views a day and like 40, 50,000 search queries a day. That's insane. that is insanity it's it i think echo will become one of the biggest platforms in the world

we're not just a streaming platform we're quite literally trying to become the spotify of content gotta get my ass on there i mean bro you like when when you when you see this i don't think you understand how crazy it is like honestly like when you try it it is it's so

you could be like i'm a 30 year old man my wife is 40, my 18-year-old daughter's getting ready to go to college, what movies would you recommend I watch them before she goes? It's like, I'm telling you. The AI on that is amazing. It's amazing, but the Discover Engine's cool, too. What makes it so cool is that we've taken every single trailer

in the entire world and put them together like in cable. When we were like kids being you, we'd channel surf, and you change a channel to be NBC, and then it changed a channel and be a show on MTV. So I've taken every single trailer in the entire world, So when you change a channel, it's like Hulu with the new Kardashian show and change it's like Netflix with the new stranger things. And as soon as you hit watch now, it opens up exactly to the right spot on Hulu or exactly to the right spot on Netflix.

Does that make sense? Oh, yeah. So it drives users to the degradated sources. Wow. Wow. Because when I told people I wanted to build this thing, they were like, you can't because no, but none of these platforms want to work together. I'm like, great. So I'll make it so when someone wants to watch.

a piece of content, it will go directly to that degradated source. So when they said no, none of these streaming services want to work together, right, because they're obviously in competition. Are you working directly with like Hulu, Netflix, Paramount, Disney? How does that work? I have no affiliations in those platforms. None of them. But I'm driving more traffic to them than probably any other content source because we are

Sweden, right? We're in Switzerland. We're like, we're like, we have to be Switzerland to everybody. We can't choose sides and go, oh, promote Netflix more. It's like, it's like, no, no, we basically take it all. Everybody's, we're the front door. We take everybody's content and we push it out and push you to where you want to go. Quite frankly, the front door.

Dude, so here's, so when you're talking about this, right, you're talking about specific searches, right? Hi, my daughter's going to college. What movies does she watch beforehand? But there's also major, there's major times. that families are all together, right? Let's say Christmas Eve, Christmas Eve, and I'll sit there and I'll try to find a damn Christmas movie that every single person in my household,

all three kids, my wife and myself want to watch, and we're going from platform to platform. So you're saying, I can say, like, hey, show me all Christmas family movies. So I'm going to show you this in live time, okay? Okay. Let's go be the best Christmas movies. When did making plans get this complicated?

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African Americans. It's one of like. Wow. Wow. Black Panther shows up for this. So if you're, if you're just listening to audio, flip over on Spotify to the video version because he's showing you real time the value you can bring in your living room. Look at this.

I mean, it's, you could be like, watch, watch, let's get a little crazy. Kill me movies with ninjas surfing. I don't know. Ninja surfing. I don't know. I'm like, look at that. Ninja surf. Point break.

I love it. Wow. This is three ninjas like surfing. This is so cool, man. Surf ninjas. Surf ninjas. This is really cool, man. It's like you could, you could be very.

specific. You could be very like, you know, that's what we're talking about. And then we're adding UGC content, which is next in sports, which is amazing. Because I believe, like, there should be no reason when you go to a Discover feed and see like, you know, a hundred million-dollar movie and swipe up. And all of a sudden it's Mr. Beast's content. And as soon as you hit watch now, it takes you directly to his channel. Like, we're going to, we're doing some really denial stuff. No, it's pretty cool because, like, there's nothing more frustrating and sitting in your living room want to watch something and you surf the TV for

freaking an hour and by then I'm passed out. Yeah. It's very consistent. It happens all the time. It's like people spend more time searching for content than they do actually finding the content. And, you know, it's like, we sit down with that wife at the end of the day. We're fucking exhausted because we're working all day.

Like, hey, you want to watch something great. And as soon as we do that, it's like, by the time you're done, you're falling asleep. sleep. Exactly. Exactly. Well, I always says, like, why are we going to watch something? Because by the time we find it and hit play, you're snoring.

Yes. You know, I wake up. Right. You wake up before. You know what I mean? That's what we do. Yeah. So, and excuse me, and you probably can't go into detail, but to build something like this, man.

Like, I mean, where is it that you even started to be able to pull all this stuff together to get to make all of this, the, the, the AI, to work in the background. Like, to me, this is, this is, because you're, you're showing me stuff real time. And so, yeah, this is not an magic. I'm showing this real time. It is the best search engine. It is the best content search engine ever created, period.

And I employ anybody, Netflix, Hulu, Amazon, Apple to try and do better. Wow. Wow. That's a very bold statement, but. I mean, it is. But, I mean, how. We've done it. We've done it.

Listen, I saw Netflix come out recently and say, oh, we're building an AI powered search engine and then we did that. And even if they do, and I'm not hating on Netflix, they can only search their system. What, um, so you launched two months ago. You're growing astronomically. How long did it take you to put this together? About two years to kind of really do right. Wow. Wow.

You know, and, and through those times, right? Right. Because I've seen some videos on you. You know, and what I really appreciate about you is you hold your team very accountable. If they're presenting you something and you're like, hey, I appreciate your guys hard work, but this ain't it.

This just looks like you threw a bunch of AI shit on there. Like, this is not, this is not good enough. So you push and you push and you do it in such a way that, I mean, it's good leadership, man.

I, um, So I don't think I'm an astronomically great leader. What I think is that I'm good with people. And high achievers don't like to work with underachievers, right? So I try to hire people who are very smart and really high achievers. Because what happens is that the high achievers kind of come in the room and we weed out all the underachievers and we just kind of keep moving. So being a good leader has it's nothing to do with being like this amazing tech entrepreneur.

or all these things. It's about understanding what people do really, really well and putting them in that position and keeping them going to, okay, you stay here. I don't care what you think you know, but stay here. You're good here.

You know what I mean? And then just building that out and allowing people the right to do what they need to do to build out their teams and holding everybody accountable, including yourself. By the way, nobody apologizes more than me. Like, nobody fucks up more than me.

So like, when I fuck shit up, I'm like, man, I'm sorry. I fucked that up. You know, or it's rude or as a dickhead. I keep it very real. And being self-accountable is probably the most important thing that you need to do in growth at all is that if you walk around thinking you do nothing wrong and you're the fucking man and you're never sorry, you're a piece of shit. I'm sorry. Like, this is how it is.

I'm super accountable with myself and I fucking hate being wrong. But when I'm wrong, I own that shit and I move on, you know? Yeah. I think it's important because you're talking about how. having all these high achievers in one room. And when you do that, yeah, I mean, listen, you know, I consider myself a high achiever. You know, what we've built here is, you know, we're building something great, but it's still not where I want it, right?

I'm going for the ultimate prize with this platform. And with that, like, I don't have room for people that are going to be, this is just good enough. It doesn't freaking work, man. Like, I have to be like that. That's not. that shit drives me crazy. No, but there's no, we don't do participation

trophy. The right town is always fucking, I always tell people, they're like, what do you think the reason you're successful? I'm like, because I'm faster than everybody else. By the time I've thought about it, I built it and failed 10 times and fixed it before you even gotten out of bed to fucking, I wake up at 3 a.m.

Right? And everybody's just half asleep. I'm like on my shit. So it's like, by the time you figured out, like, what you're doing, get failed and you know God passed that and I was like all right well you know now we need to do this and this but see that's the key though that's what I want the audience

to really kind of understand here not kind of understand but fully understand is people like you and very successful entrepreneurs or athletes it doesn't matter what you're great in by the time someone tells you to wait and hold off we're not ready for that you've already

fucking lost you've already fucking lost bro if you have an idea, if you have a passion, if there's something you want to do, fuck everyone who tells you to wait. Come on. Fuck everyone who says,

make sure you have a backup plan. In life, there are no backup plans. No. Period. When you get married, you're like, why I should have this fucking side piece just in case? You know what I mean?

It's like, I'm just like you know. It doesn't work like that. And anybody who's had a side piece just in case has live the fucking, you know, they're by their self. That's a rough life, dude. That's a rough life, man.

There are no backup plans for entrepreneurship. It's like you just jump the fuck in and you, yo, there are two feelings you have when you're an entrepreneur. And you're living in either state, there is no in between, okay? It's either complete ballast or absolute fucking terror

at any given time. There is no in between. I mean, it's one of the other. It's like we're fucking crushing or the fucking building is burned down. A good entrepreneur is this is the best goddamn firefighter known to fucking man. A good CEO is a dude who can fucking put out every fire when things are moving. That's what a great CEO is. That's what I am is when shit blows the fuck up and the fucking building is burning down.

And everybody's fucking running out of the building. I'm the dude running in that bitch with buckets of water. You know what I mean? Like that's what the fuck I do. I'm a fucking monster. Dude, I love that because... Sorry. Dude, no, man.

I told you, man. I was telling you the truth. Hey, I told you, because that, see, that's the difference, though. That's the difference. I'm the wolf of Silicon Valley. I like it. I like it. I like that shit.

Because when you look at Plan B's, like, look, man, I left a second. a successful corporate sales career to start this. I bet you did. I mean, what was your, what was you doing? I was in medical. Well,

I started in HR and then I went to medical and I was making great money. We didn't want for anything. Yeah. My favorite thing is a cake. When I say some shit that's super like out of pocket, is like, oh, can I speak to HR? I'm like, yeah, no problem. Hold me get you.

That's you. How can I help you? How can I help you? Welcome to HR, bitch. I mean, I'm your age. But, dude, my point is, I can remember. I can remember. And I've talked about this very frequently.

You know, wife looks at me. Like, you're going to, you're going to do, whoa. Why? But she supported. She goes, okay, fine. What's your plan? I go, here's my plan. Here's how I'm bridging the gap.

Okay, then we execute. I didn't wait because I, for a while there, I was waiting for the right time. And to your point, there is no right time. As long as you keep waiting for people. listening to this episode, it's never going to be the right time. You're going to be waiting a long time, and you're going to watch somebody else living your freaking dream, dude.

Like, you know, I have three. Okay. It was never the right time. You're like, this is not the right time for kids, but you figured the fuck out. Dude. When someone says to me, oh, it's not the right time for me to go for my dream,

I'm like, well, then sit down. Yeah. I mean, stay still. Like, the exit plan, or the plan B, man, that leaves a method for a retreat. You know, that's like the whole Hernan Cortez

you know, story about burning the boats. Burn them. Burn every method of retreat. Because if you don't... You gotta light that shit on fire because if you don't, you're never going to win. You're not going to.

I do shit, I swear to God. And I do things that are so fucking hard to conquer and big. Like, you're never, going to fucking how are you going to be Snapchat or how are you going to take on Netflix or how are you going to do these things?

And I'm like, I don't know, but I'm going to. You don't have to have the answer. Like, I have a fucking clue. You don't have to have the answer. And winning it is okay. It's okay to wing shit. Hell yeah. A lot of people have won their businesses and got it right.

I mean, shit, man. Like, probably the first three years I was winging it. There's this. I mean, come on, man. I like you. I like you too. You're a freaking cool-ass dude. But that's the thing, though.

That's the thing. It's never going to be easy. And just because you burn the ships or you light everything on fire to the method of retreat, it doesn't mean it's going to get easy or simple at any time. You're going to be tested and it's going to hurt. Who do you think the most amazing entrepreneur you've interviewed has been? Seriously. The most amazing entrepreneur?

Yeah, we're like, fuck, like, that was great, like, unbelievable, like. So, so the one I'm going to mention. I'm going to tell you right. I'm going to tell you right now. This interview is going to get like 10, 20 million views because I'm going to put it on my channels too. You know, I get a lot of traffic. I'm sorry, you've seen, you've seen, I got a fork on a traffic.

Yeah. But I'm saying, like, on a like a really cool business style of who he was like, yo, this is the greatest interview of all time. So I think from a concept-wise, and I'm not just, I'm not saying this, the concept, probably your, you're out. 1,000%. I'm going to tell you why. Because we're pushing the limits of shit, right?

And I'm not here with a fucking PR buttoned up like, well, you put the G-difuser in the fucking idea machine. Like, the reason why shit like this works and goes viral is because we want to, we want to on some kid in Omaha, Nebraska in his trailer or fucking broken home going like, yeah, I can do that. Like, that's the point of you're doing while you're doing this, right?

You're doing this because like, it's cool to interview a Warren Buffett. Like, but Warren Buffett's not going to sit down. Like, well, this is how I've actually started out to make my money. Right? It's always like, you just got to go for it. You're just got to do it.

I'm like, I don't what the fuck that means. Like, can someone break me down? What the fuck that means? Like, no offense. Like, I've met many life coaches in my my day, right? Sorry, guy, and this may be offensive, but no one is more full of shit than a fucking life coach.

Period. If someone tells you they're going to coach you through fucking life, run. And secondary, if someone trying to sell you something on a course or any of that type of shit, you ask them one thing. Let me see your bank account. And their bank account is flush and way more than yours, considerate. it. But 90% of these people cannot teach you what the fuck life is going to teach you by just doing it. And I tell everybody that, oh, can you teach me? No, I can't teach you anything. The only

thing I can teach you is how to get the fuck out there and get started, man. Like, it's so important, I try and tell everybody that's like, I can't teach you how to win. You got to want to win. You got to be so sick and tired of being sick and fucking tired and living the same fucking life and getting up and same idea, fucking that ugly ass girl from you're with and driving that fucking busted-ass car with that fucked up taillight and going to the same shit every single day. You got to want that shit.

And I told myself, I'm not going to be like my brother. I'm not going to be like my sister. I'm not going to be like my fucking deadbeat dad who never showed up. I'm not going to be like my drug addict mom. I'm going to fucking win at all costs. I'm going to live in a mansion. I'm going to drug a fucking

Ferrari. I'm going to wear a $100,000 fucking watch. And I'm going to be unapologetic me. And if you don't like it, fuck off. And the minute I just started living like that, I became successful. Because you're living your truth at that point, man. And that's the thing.

Listen to the way I'm talking. Do I sound like I'm not being me? Well, dude, I mean, that's what I'm saying. Like, you sound like my kind of person, right? Because you don't have that filter. You don't have that filter. So, like, everybody sits here going through life and in wanting to seek that approval or acceptance from the external world, like,

hey Sean don't say this on your show don't do it like this don't do it like that I'm like well okay well then are you doing it or am I doing it right because what I'm doing I'm living in my own the advertising I'm living in my own energy right in the moment I started being me and living my truth and operating the way I believe I should be operating that's when shit got really good there's do you think someone like me has any business on the phone with Shaq or an Elon or Sam Altman or a Mark Zuckerberg or a fucking like Where you came from? Where you came from?

No. No, absolutely not. But here's the problem, though. You took action. You worked your ass off. You got in the room and you were you. But there's other people saying that I can't do this because of my excuses. You have your excuses too.

Everybody has their excuses. The difference is some people fucking use them and some people don't. Like the one thing about me, I'm chubby right now. I've never been chubby in my life. I was always like the good looking fucking dude, but I stopped smoking, and I fucking hate the gym. So I need to get my fat, lazy fucking ass to the gym, get shredded and do what the fuck I do, which is normally what I'd die. I'll get there.

Yeah, you'll get there. But I'm trying to sweat. And I really will hold myself accountable, you know, because, like, I have to. Well, I'm going to text you now. Did you lift today? Did you lift? I did. The point is, by the way, anybody could do what I.

could do what I do tomorrow. Despite your circumstances, you are not a product of your environment or circumstances. You either choose to be a victim, you choose to lay down and get stomped down, or you choose to say, I don't want to. You choose that. And you have to bleed in it, though.

Like you can't like, okay, I'm going to try for a couple weeks. I've been doing this for 25, 30 years. It's taking me 25, 30 years to become an overnight. nice success. Guess who everybody's clear? It fucking sucked. It hurt. I slept on a lot of floors, a lot of chicken nuggets, a lot of ramen noodles, a lot of relationships fucking

broken, like a lot of fucking bad shit in my path that I had to fucking step on to get where I'm at. It is not the pursuit of happiness. It is the pursuit of pain. But rest assured, you do not deserve to make it

unless you suffer. And all the good ones who win, have fucking suffered. Everything worth anything was created out of pain. And there's and there's so many people, dude, that will sit there and go, this hurts. I can't do it anymore. Oh, sorry. Like, okay.

This shit hurts, man. But, but here's the, here's the key. Everybody wants a secret. Everybody wants that magic bullet. And what happens is they're, they're running from that magic bullet, okay? because the moment something gets hard or they get uncomfortable, they run the other way because our brains at some point are wired to keep us safe. But what we have to realize,

and it's something that you've really owned and I'm owning is when I see pain or I feel pain, I put my face in it. Don't fucking run. Don't run. Do what you are just doing. Who's this guy? Oh, that's nice. He knows.

he's got his afternoon planned out like these are the type of people that worked for me a fucking just degenerates right yeah but how cool is it though but how cool is it though it's so funny it's so funny I looked at my best friends I loved everybody

I worked with and yeah this has been a great interview I really appreciate you having me on no man I'm I'm Jack to have you on dude I'm Jack to continue to connect with you and I love talking to real people, man. I don't like talking to people that give me this whole song and dance and there's somebody else. I like people that I can connect with and I can feel their energy

and then if I'd knock on their door randomly, they're the same person. 100%. Oh, how's it going? Like, hey, no, no, no, same dude, 24-7, right? The thing that I love most, man, and I want you to, as we kind of land the plane here, because we've talked about, you know, Echo app, and we're going to make sure that we're going to make sure that we've

drop every link so that people should go check it out. I appreciate that. Yeah. Hell yeah, dude. Like, absolutely. You know, I'll become a user because I need it because I spend

way too much time fucking around on the remote. But most importantly. I'm sure. I buy my ebook at the end of the day. You dick. Fucking a guy. But here's the thing, man. I love the message of,

you know, everything was built out of pain. And anybody right now, someone in Omaha, Nebraska, or there's somebody in some state and some city that's going through what you went through as a child. And you made a choice to allow it not to break you. I want you to speak directly to that young man or young woman that is going through extreme adversity right now that thinks that their life is over and that they don't amount to shit and they will never have anything. They are destined to be poor because it is what they deserve.

what are you going to tell them right now? It's going to hurt. Your entire life is going to hurt for a long fucking time. And there are going to be a ton of people who tell you what you can and cannot do in life. And you're going to get your fucking ass kicked left and right. And there'll be times where you're not going to want to be around. You want to end it all. But don't you fucking believe it?

Because there's brightness on the other side of that fucking hill. You've gone down this road a million fucking times and you know where at least. If you go down this road, you don't know where the fuck you're going, but you know eventually it'll lead to somewhere. If you want to become a doctor, you go to fucking doctor school for fucking four or five years, even if it takes you 10. But at the end, you get a diploma that says doctor. It doesn't mean, doesn't matter how shitty of a doctor you are.

You still get your doctorate. Don't you believe that anybody can tell you what you're going to do with your life? You have the right to make that decision. And only you can choose. to win or fail. Only you. You either lay there and accept your fucking circumstances or you make a conscious effort to dig out of it.

That's it. That's the secret, dude, because the people that are going to discourage us the most and tell us we can't do something, the people we love. They think they're protecting us, and they're not. They're not protecting us.

It's, they're hurting you. So the one thing to, himself they're protecting themselves exactly right they're protecting themselves from the projecting of like the thoughts of they're afraid what they're afraid of yeah they're not really sure like oh i don't want my son to become an actor because he might fail like who gets a fuck let him fail what's he going to learn in the process yeah yeah but in failing and that's a thing dude like okay now we're going off in a dead of direction i'm not ready to end the show yet so failure why is that why is that the ultimate f word like why is it so bad why is it so bad why is

it's so bad. Well, because people don't know. Because people who have failed have not gotten back up. So it's their fear word, right? People who have failed and won, they're like, I won because I failed before. I mean, everyone in this room will tell you a bunch of companies they've seen a me dude that I fucking fucked up beyond recognition.

But like, that's what got me to build Echo. Echo came from the failure of Fuego. That's what happens. Failure is so fucking good for your soul. You learn what not to do. It sucks because it hurts. Like failure fucking sucks. I hate to fail.

Yeah. But it's so important for your soul because like, if you teach your kids, all you have to do is win every single fucking time. And when they walk away upset and they're crying, like, stop crying. You should be happy your kid is crying than if they failed because they should know what the fuck that failed like.

And they should be bummed out that they're crying. failed because it should make them hungry to want to win, right? Delia is such a huge part of being a winner. Like, fuck. Like, I, you know, I, dude, I feel way more than I've won. I just don't talk about it. You know, obviously not. You know, it's funny because there's so many parts of my corporate career

that I did well at. But also, there's more times where I didn't get the promotion. I didn't move up. I didn't move up. I didn't get what I felt I deserved. And I'm like, what the fuck, man?

What do I have to do? But it was all building me for the moments here. Like, that's what's making me better here. All those failures, all those, all the rejection. That shit's a gift.

That shit is a gift from above. Like we have got to understand that every no, every point of rejection is building us for the next moment. and too many people want to define that next moment right now. They want to get out of the stage and into the next stage without truly understanding what this specific stage is teaching them. You can type, you can take Instagram for that.

Because everybody goes on Instagram and sees these like really easy, like see all these kids driving Lamborghinis, living in Miami, Pennhouses, and that's not. That's not. That's a scam. It's all you young, 20-year-old kids. Like it's scam.

it's not a real fucking thing. Stop watching for Instagram going, how come he's got this and I don't? Yep. How come Johnny's on a jet? How come Johnny's on a jet taking pictures? Because that jet never, that engine never even cranked up

and paid 300 bucks for that fucking photo. Some of the most wealthiest people I know in the world, you wouldn't even fucking have a clue. Yeah, like, the first investor I ever had pulled up in a Honda truck and wrote me a half a million dollar check. Looking like fucking, like, I'm a new on his show. crazy.

He became one of my greatest friends. And by the way, it's okay to want nice things, nice watches and cars. That greed is good. Greed is good. Right. Greed is good. But you can't be a retod.

You know what I mean? And by the way, like this is not playing. Hey, Charlie, I need to find my card. Did you find my card yet? How the fuck could you ask for like a raise and like, and this is not planned by the way. And 10,000 other fucking you want other positions. You don't even know what you did with my company card, dude.

we'll get back to that like i look at charlie man fucking charlie not wasn't we love charlie yeah Charlie is like a fucking he's a fucking wreck right now he's a fucking wreck he's a fucking wreck i love it man i see tyler just shaking his fucking head this poor guy probably goes home and he probably goes home and says like what this happened tell me why you disagree what he said probably is your best worker right now charlie's your only fucking worker right now Which makes him the best. Okay. By default, right?

Charlie wants a $10,000 raise, okay? But Charlie's going to show that Charlie's worth $10,000 raise. So every single day that Charlie comes in here, I fucking cook the shit out of him. I cook the shit out of him because I want him to learn that, like, you have to fucking work for $10,000 a month. If you want to make $10,000 a month, you got to add $30,000 worth of fucking value. Period. If you're not having $30,000 value, you're going to get $5,000 and be fucking happy.

And if not, fuck off. Which means find his company card immediately. Exactly. Oh, man, dude. Look, brother, I appreciate you, man. Thank you. Thank you so much having me on. I appreciate you.

Oh, dude, absolutely, man. We'll continue to connect and we'll do some more shit together. I'm sure there's going to be some more collaborations. I see something that we could do. And, yeah, I just can't, I can't wait to continue to see you fucking blow it up, man. It's great. Appreciate it, brother. If you need anything, please don't hesitate.

I really appreciate you having me on. It was awesome. It was a little question. Absolutely, brother. Thank you so much for the audience. I want you to understand. Listen to the message. Listen to the message.

Go back and listen to it again. Share it with somebody that you know is playing the victim role in their life that can hear Jeremy's words and understand what he's saying is like, just make the choice, get off your ass, go work for it, and don't be afraid to fail. And to hell with everybody that says you can't do something. One more thing. God and family, guys.

God and family. God and family. God and family and country. All of the, all the above. Don't get out there with your blue hair and your fucking megaphones. And, and, and, let me just, let me just add this before I go. Not everybody deserves to have a megaphone. You might get a microphone in life. It means you have a say. But you don't deserve a fucking megaphone.

You don't deserve to be out there with your blue fucking hair, yelling and screaming in everybody like a fucking maniac because of how you feel. Just don't clear on that. Those are your internal feelings. And I don't need to share in your mass delusion. What he said, what my man with a checker cup said. That's it. Appreciate it.

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