Determined Society with Shawn French | Adversity & Mindset - The Luttrell Brothers: Brotherhood, Battle Scars & Becoming Unbreakable

Episode Date: November 24, 2025

In this powerful episode of The Determined Society, host Shawn French sits down with Marcus and Morgan Luttrell, Navy SEAL legends, brothers, warriors, and survivors whose stories have shaped a generation.From helicopter crashes and TBI recovery to the invisible battles that happen long after war ends, the Luttrell's open up about pain, resilience, identity, fatherhood, marriage, and the hard road back to civilian life.They reveal what most people never see: the withdrawal from war, the deep loss of tribe, the spiritual journey of healing, and how psychedelic-assisted therapy changed everything. Through raw honesty and unmatched brotherhood, Marcus and Morgan share what it truly means to suffer with purpose, raise strong families, and refuse to quit, no matter what life demands.Key Takeaways-True resilience comes from facing hardship head-on, not running from it.-Brotherhood, tribe, and shared suffering shape identity long after the battlefield.-Psychedelic-assisted therapy can help veterans reclaim clarity, connection, and emotional balance.-Discipline begins with the smallest daily choices — even one push-up or one cold shower.-Suffering creates appreciation; comfort creates complacency.-The greatest battles often happen at home — in marriage, fatherhood, and identity. Connect with me :https://link.me/theshawnfrench?fbclid=PAZXh0bgNhZW0CMTEAAaY2s9TipS1cPaEZZ9h692pnV-rlsO-lzvK6LSFGtkKZ53WvtCAYTKY7lmQ_aem_OY08g381oa759QqTr7iPGA Marcus Luttrellhttps://www.instagram.com/marcusluttrell/Morgan Luttrellhttps://www.instagram.com/repluttrelltx/ Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

You both have been injured. I mean, you survived a helicopter crash, broke your back, traumatic brain injury, and everybody knows what you went through, right? Being the lone survivor, how did you guys, I guess, adjust when you guys came back from something like that? It was the hardest thing I read. I mean, shit. I mean, shit. I freaking hated every second of coming back to being a civilian. That's the hardest thing I ever did.

I want to let go. You can't be a seal in the civilian world. You'll die. We had to go through in there and what we got to go do. there's never been a movie or documentary ever made about it. And man, we miss that. We don't have it out here. What you guys do is fascinate.

The strongest man ever hurt so bad. Damn, like, I don't even have words for it, to be honest. You don't have to. It's hard to articulate. What's up, everybody? We're back, and we have a special one today. We're at Wing Ranch here in Columbia? Mississippi is at Columbia?

I just say, okay. Okay. Just go Mississippi. Let's go. Okay. We have Wing Ranch in Mississippi. I have Marcus Luttrell and Morgan Luttrell here. What an honor to be sitting down with the two of you. I mean, truly an honor. I was telling my team and I was telling Roman earlier today. I don't get super nervous or super excited for interviews anymore because I do them so much. But in June, when I learned about this one, it was an emotional response. And today and yesterday, I've been super excited and a wee bit nervous to sit down with you guys, but we're here. So thank you. Thank you for coming. Oh, don't be.

Yeah. Hey, buddy. I can sure you. We love to tell people like, hey, man, we get up every morning put our pants on one leg at a time like you do it. Yeah, but you guys can do a lot more pushups

than I can. That's for damn sure. I tried to. We turned 50 the other day. I know, November 7th, happy belated birthday. Thank you. Thank you.

50 years old. How do you guys feel? He's loving it so far. I'm not having trouble saying. My wife looked at me that morning. She's like, I'm married to a 50-year-old. I was like, oh, that's the way you said that. Well, he's doing it better

because his wife lets him grow the beard and yours won. I know. Our wives are best friends, too. So I'm sure that we kind of go. Yeah. Hey, might jump over. Yeah, dude,

you just did a 40-day fast. I did. I just finished up. I'm on the, the refeed right now. How's that going for you? It's the toughest part of it. It is.

A tough part of it. Forty day. Say that in the 40 days. 40 days. I've done a three day. 40 days and 49th, too. That's wild. He went all in.

You did. Yeah, definitely the refeeding is, is the toughest part because once you start in, and I had never done a fast before. Oh, you went naked. You went a virgin. Yeah, I'm not naked. Yeah, I just jumped in a while. Damn. I do them. He does them. Yeah.

And then the wives were out of the country on a trip and we were having dinner together and he's like, hey, I'm going to start this fast. I want you to do it with me. He's like, I'm going for five days. It's five, right? Five, right? Five days. He's like, just go for three. I was like, okay.

And just the thought of that. when he would say, I remember him talking about when he would go through the fast. That's the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard. Why would you do that? What would you go without food for more than 24 hours? And in my mind, I couldn't even process it. And then he kicked it off.

So we went, we started it, and then day three rolled around. He's like, how, you can duck out. I'm going to keep going. I was like, well, I'm not, I'm going to bitch, you know. I've been through worse than this. Yeah, I'm going to stick it out with your brother. And then we rolled into day five. And he was coming off.

of it. And then I looked on my, uh, what 40 days would have been, because this is a spiritual thing for me. I wasn't doing it for the weight or anything like that. And so from the day we started and I typed in, I was like, hey, what's 40 days from that? And it just happened to be on our 50th birthday. So I was like, oh, that's probably a God thing. Wow. And, uh, I just kind of shifted gears. And from from there on out, and just rolled through it. Day 11 kind of got to me a little bit. Yeah. I had to, I just started cooking all the dinners, all the meals and lunches, because when the hunger pains would come on or the food cravings and everything, I just decided to, I positioned it like a fight. It's like, what if you're going to tempt me with it,

then I'm just going to go ahead and go all in on it. And I took it one day at a time. I wake up every morning, I'd be like, I got one day doing this. Watching him go through it, because when he said, hey, I'm going to do, I was like, you should start with probably three days. You know, most people would go 24. But to watch him go through it, Because I was, we were to get out of eating, you know. Yeah. It was amazing to, it's, it's very mentally aggressive. Yeah.

No matter how you, how you do it. And, man, he didn't, he didn't, he didn't take me to me, but he just jammed all the way in. It was, it was, it's not to a point. It's like, man, it's great. Don't be. I don't know. 40 days, 40 nights, man. I made it three days one time.

I was like, damn. Yeah. That was a tough. Three is the changes people. Yeah. Three days is three. I mean, it was, it was in January. I'll probably do another one.

in January. I'm not going to do 40 days. I'm not going to do that. But three days is, that is a great. That's good. That's a good. Five days will take you because day three, as you know, it's rough, man. That'll talk to you. It just got super bored. I was like, dude, like, I got to choose something. This is, this is getting ridiculous. That's most, most of the time that's where people kind of. Yeah. So if you go into four and five, the, it's different. Yeah. Your body, can you wake up to that kind of end of that day and you're, you're energized in ways you'd ever been before. It's almost, it's a very euphoric feeling.

Really? So day three, it felt like I'd have been on a, like I got a dose with a high Vicodin or something. I was trying to shake it off and I was kind of walking around. And he's like, hey, day four is completely different. I woke up with that key ketosis. Yeah, of course. And that focus.

Yeah, that autophagy had set in. And, I mean, I cleaned the barn out, all the cars, the closets. And we were talking earlier with when you get focused on some people with ADHD is kind of for a little bit. You remember when we were kids and it just didn't matter where we're doing. I'm playing in the dirt, right? How much fun that was and it was just so. So I had that again.

I got that back. Interesting. How much fun it is to be engaged in something and looking at every aspect of the entire environment that you're working in. And then, but it's not a pressure. It's more of a love kind of deal. And that just kept growing. And I never lost that.

And I actually shifted years twice with my energy levels. One was, and when I got into the teens, probably day 12 or 13, and then day 21, it woke me up. I felt like somebody hit me in the chest. And I sat up and my arms and legs were asleep. So that's another thing that happened to me is I get about three hours of REM sleep and about two and a half hours of deep sleep now. Okay. And I'm like, I mean, that's good. No, no, no.

It's unbelievable. That's off the charts of May. Yeah. Yeah. That's ridiculous. Every night. Like on my garment, I score 100. 96 or 100.

And if it's under 100. it's because I went to bed real late, usually because of the kids or something like that. But that never went away. I still have it. That energy. That's insanity. You mentioned something that I want to dive into and I want your perspective on this too because in the show The Determined Society, we teach people that when something's hard,

you stick your freaking face in it and you lean into it and you go. And you mentioned on day 11 when I got really hard of those hunger pains, I'm like, man, this is like a fight. This is a battle. I've been through worse. I'm going to cook all the meals. like what's your guys' perspective even further on when something's really hard you don't run from it you run to it. I always ask myself, why can somebody else do something that I can't?

And you'll always, people thinking this was, do you understand how miserable this was? Like I were telling you day three is horrible or anything that you kind of get yourself into. There come a point in time where you're like really miserably, you're miserable, cognitive and physically uncomfortable to a point where like, hey, I think this is it. But how do you know that? I guess the best litmus steps would be like, hey, if it kills you. Obviously, we don't want to go there. But really, kind of how far can you take it? It's like your governor is like kicking you in at that time.

How do you know you don't have a superpower that was designed to handle that? And you're the one that's supposed to show people how to get through it. Like, I wasn't made to run. I was made to withstand. It's an exception. People have the ability to do things in misery that most people don't. Like, I challenge people all the times. Like, I mean, how do they ask, like, hey, it was like hell we?

How hard is hellweep? You know, how did you do this? I was like, you really want to kick yourself and see how mentally tough you are. Walk 50. Get up, get up Saturday morning and walk 50 miles and don't stop. That's all you have to do. You want to, you want to tissue mentally and physically because your body is going to shut down. Your body's going to say, I can't go anymore.

It will. Of course. And your mind is you're telling me like, hey, you need to stop. You need to stop. Don't stop to you about 50 miles. You're stuck. We'll go from where you think it is. You'll be a way past the one percent.

And then that resets kind of everything that you get yourself into. I don't care if it's business, if it's school, family. Like, hey, look, this is, this really, I've been more miserable than this. This isn't that bad. But this is important, too, because the audience listening, they have those moments where they listen to that internal governor. Okay, this is it. Like you said, how do you know?

Everybody's got it. But it's so important to push those boundaries. So that way you grow, but too many people are backing off, right? If they got a big goal, whatever it is, doesn't matter, you know, if it's buds or starting a show or becoming an entrepreneur. It doesn't really matter. There's going to be times where you sit there

and you tell yourself like, I don't know if I could take this shit anymore. Everybody will get lost. Everybody gets lost. Yeah. Everybody gets lost and something. You know what? And they think they need to stop

because they're lost, they're broke, they're hungry. They're like, all right, I've never been in, but I can't go any further. That's when you go up.

Mm-hmm. That's the, I'd say you talk to every single successful person. I don't care what feel. They're like, I had nothing else. I do with all my money. I left everything I had.

I put everything I had into this. Man, there's been enough of these and enough of us talking about this now. From here on out, if you ever catch yourself in a moment that we're talking about, you're in the right moment. That's freaking amazing. Just go. You know what I mean? Like, the people kind of back off.

It's like, no, no, no. There's your neon sign right there. If this is happening to you what we're talking about, that means the Almighty has stuck you in your spot that you're about to make an advancement. and you're about to get an upgrade. So you're just either staying there and hold. Because like I said, my brother, man, he'll run straight into the fight. I'll stand there and wait for them suckers to wear themselves out to get to me.

And then we'll fight. You know what I mean? There's different ways to do that. There's the shortest point here to there, but then don't forget about those 359, like to tackle something. Right. And the best part is when you got a partner. Like, I was born with mine.

Yeah. That's pretty bad ass. Yeah, I was blowing my soulmate. Right. So, you know, when you know, when you know that, When you're coming up, man, like country boys, especially us, man, like when we grown up, and if you bleed with somebody or you go through a tough time with somebody, then there's a bond that's formed.

Like, you may not ever talk to them or something like that, but like if you call when you're in a pinch and they show up, it changes the way you feel about somebody. And if they know that, especially with the alpha males, if they know that, like they didn't know what they're dealing with, something like that, then it just, you know, as well as when you walk in the door and you see them, be like, hey, that guy right there doesn't mess around. If I need something, he's there. other than that, I stay out of his way. Yeah.

And there's a, there's a connection that happens between men like that, that we don't ever talk about it. There's so many things like that the guys just don't talk about, which it's kind of detrimental to our youth, because they don't know that that stuff exists. Because chances of a lifetime show up every day. Mm. All day long.

When I walk in this house today, I met, I met people, I never, for that, can change them. I like forever. Right, right. No, it makes sense because as we're going through this dialogue, right? And we're talking about these, these things. You said every successful person has had those,

those days, those life-changing moments every single day, and they may have given up their last dollar. Like he's like, I had, when I left corporate America, this is all I had and I have three children and a wife. Like, I got to figure this out. It wasn't, I'm going to go back. I may have thought of like, okay, maybe I'll do both if I have to, because I'll do whatever I need to do to fight. But the moment, my mind kind of flipped, I'm like, nah, because you were so unfulfilled over there. And this is the one thing professionally that fulfills you. You have. have to go harder and you have to fix yourself. So this one thing that was holding me back was what I put in my mouth and me not moving my body. And so last Thanksgiving, I made the decision to get in

better shape. The moment I did the hard thing, for me, it was hard my whole life to be in decent shape. And I got there. Everything changed in my business because I went further than I did before. and people are just backing off. They're backing off. They're letting up on themselves every single day. Yeah, you're the guy that's, it's never going to be okay. Like, whatever, everything I have,

hey man, you know what, I'm okay. Yeah, never. We have an appetite that we're so hungry, that will never stop to the day we die with our boots on. They'll never retire. No matter what is next. Turn the page, start a new chapter. What is it?

It's all in. Because you have kids. We have kids. and that, hey, that's who we have to take care of. Did that, did you, were you guys always in that frame of mind? Or was that something that you went through and learned and grew into? It grows. It grows.

Being a serial and going through what you guys have gone to. It just built over time through life. We've learned more through our failures than we ever have our successes. Yeah. That's where we go into the nut kick. Talk about that. Well, that's where you learn. Yeah.

Some people got to go in and open the doors, man. No, walking in somewhere knowing you're most likely going to lose. Is it very enlightening? situation. And then you get to that point, like, hey, man, I didn't come here to lose. I'm going to take an ass to open, but that's okay. Those are the best freaking action movies are made out of that. If I'm going to go back, I'm going to go back and learn Kung Fu come back in and kick some action. Kick your ass. I'm glad you show me what my weak spot was. Right. Because normally I got friends that bag me up that have that strength that I don't have.

That's why I got them as friends. Right. But then when I'm out of my own and I encounter that, that's fine. I can learn even. I'm the slow runner in the family. I'll be back. He'll be back quicker. I'll be back later. Yeah, learning something every single day. Our lives have been, it's been just that. Every single corner we go, it's just like, all right, this is new. You know, there's no road memory here.

It shouldn't be. It's not wake up every single dude, the same thing over and over and over again. That's how the body and the brain dies. Yeah. All right. And we constantly move in positions to take ourselves outside of our comfort zone. So we stay alive.

It's amazing. All the country boys are like playing in the mud. They don't like driving down. smooth road right and then go out there and find me a new trail Roger that yeah yeah you know just just then do it then it gets good to you you get an appetite for it like human condition's weird like you try something enough times especially if you got people that acknowledge that I can thanks for doing that it's like people who wear the badges police officers yeah that's the craziest job ever

firefighter run into a fire I mean thank God we have though of course you know it and then you really then you start to realize that men humans we're not anything alike. We're completely different. It's just we have little similarities that we can get along with, but there's something buried deep inside of you that only comes out when you get broke open. And that's what life's designed to do. It's not designed to break you down. It's designed to break you open so something else can come out. This is reactive armor. Like if you get hit in one spot, you get hit back there again, it won't hurt as bad. You ever notice that? Yeah. Like if you get cut the first time, I remember my son, I came in the house, I was bleeding. I didn't know it. And he's like,

how come you don't cry when you when you're bleeding I was like I used to I thought it would kill me see your own blood and this out and the other because like after a while you realize what that is it's kind of like when uh you know those old country boys driving their trucks down the road and that sensor light comes on like check engine what do you do nothing most of it just put a picture in front of it right I was like well that's what you do man when those check engine lights come on throw a picture in your mind and covers that up and freaking go and then deal with it yeah you know what I mean that's that's just how you got to do it did it's a baby step processed you go in too hard too fast you'll die

that's what the old men are for they're the other one's teaching you that teaching you that I don't know we had plenty of that our old man wouldn't easy got to get along with I'll tell you what no he definitely laid the groundwork for

and we kind of what we're what you see sitting in friggin baby boomers dude sitting in front of you today we're gen X baby we were trying to kill us our whole life yeah we drank the rubber hoses outside

you guys are you guys are three years ahead of me I was the rubber hose outside you know street lights come on. The last generation of it. Yeah, I think so. Like I think back too because I didn't grow up in the best neighborhood. I'm thinking like, damn, my parents let me ride around my bike with a gang infested neighborhood and thinking I was going to be okay.

Hey, I'm going to the park to play football. Like they just let me go. Yeah. It was just. Come back to it. Come back when it sounded was down. Exactly. Tree lights come on.

You weren't there. It was a problem. How about that? Yep. It is different what we live in today because we have to be more cautious, I guess, just environment, you know, to the environment. A lot of shit going on. There's still a great opportunity.

My sons don't understand. side. That's good. They don't have, they don't have video games. They don't, I think, I'm going to raise you

like I was raised. Yeah, you know, you do that. You just show up while they're in the house, stand there and linger over them. Tell them to go, they'll get outside.

Yeah, they don't want to do that. You hang out with me. We're going to work. Yeah, yeah. It's funny because, you know, my kids, you know, I have a 12-year-old son,

nine-year-old daughter and a six-year-old daughter. And they don't, they do have, you know, an Amazon, Kindle, like a little iPad or

whatever it's called. They don't get that if we're going on a road trip. And it's like four to five hours into the road trip, we'll let them crank that on. But they don't get screen time during the week. They don't have, my son doesn't have a phone. Like, we're not playing that game. Like, they're going to go and find and do something. My son was so excited that I was coming today to talk to you guys. I came across it. I don't know if you were okay with talking about it, but we, I came across that documentary on Netflix and in waves of war that just came out. And I'm watching. And I'm watching. watching this blindly because my son is very interested in all that stuff. And he plays with World War II plans.

That's what he wanted for his birthday on Halloween was his birthday. And that's just all he wants to do is to we're a one. Really? Yeah. Nice. Oh, he's a very simple dude. He wants family time. And, you know, he does have a PS5.

He plays it maybe once every quarter. That stuff's not bad for him. No, no. Just in a lot of ways. I mean, I played video games. You have to educate him on the digital footprint because that's the world we live at. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. I played video games, man. and but we were we were watching this as documentary and and then it hit me you know mike said like hey that documentary you're watching that was the operation that that marcus was on i'm like really that was like it was just fascinating have you seen it what'd you think about it it's intense i i mean it's heartbreaking i mean it really truly is a lot of stuff in there i never seen before okay like what some of the videos captured up from from the cameras and from the different angles and then And some of the guys, I've spent my entire life so I got back trying to catch up with

everybody who had anything to do with getting me back. And I always find somebody new, had a different advantage. But yeah, it's intense. Have you, have you connected with like DJ Shipley and the work? We never disconnected. Okay, yeah, yeah, okay, yeah. DJ and our close. It was very fascinating, man.

I just, you know, I was watching it and I know psychedelic therapy is very important in certain, and certain mental states. And I think it's great. And I think watching that was just really cool to see them go through. But the pain, just the pain. And what really, and I'm interested in both of your perspectives because you both have been injured. I mean, you survived a helicopter crash, broke your back, traumatic brain injury.

And everybody knows what you went through, right? Being the lone survivor. But there was conversations. I think the guy, it was Marcus that when I came. home he seems like an awesome dude man like i mean i know it's just i'm watching him through a screen but i was like dude this is this is some real shit yeah he's all time you know but he was saying when i came home like i didn't want to be there i wanted to be in country and i didn't know how to react how how did you guys i guess adjust when you guys came back from something like that oh same that's the

hardest thing i read i mean shit man i freaking hated every second of coming back to being a civilian it's the hardest thing i ever did i won't let go that's why i had to go do that's why i had to go do that And you can't be a seal in the civilian world, you'll die. In order to be a seal and act like a seal and live the way we do, you have to be in the teams around the guys with that opt tempo the way it's scheduled. The minute we come into civilian life, because they separated us by ones and twos. And we're designed to have a buddy at all time. So I got him.

I'm golden. Yeah. But I doesn't mean, you know, when he was away, I'd still go hard. And what team girls will burn himself, they'll die. They'll freaking crash and die and kill himself. whatever just because how hard we go because we don't have that overhead there's usually chiefs and headshed and leadership and then there's responsibilities you have in the tribe yeah you're in the tribe and then when you leave the full is it I did that sucked tricking by my research was when this one this

when I went back to school after I got out there's a deep dark black hole that lives outside the military when you exit and it's it's a very real thing right and that's that's why I love this documentary and that's what I want because that is that is something that I don't think the public really truly understands until you really take the, take the opportunity to watch that and learn about it. I mean, man, I mean, these, I mean, the shit that you guys went through. I can't believe what we had

to go through in there and what we got to go do our entire lives. There's never been a movie or documentary ever made about it. We don't talk about it. There's the black side that we don't ever talk about. You'll never hear about it. And that's how we are created and how we were forged into this.

And man, we miss that. We don't have it out here. It's not out here. It's just, it was, you'll search it for us. Yeah, oh my God. Dude, you just kind of accept it. I don't know.

That's the thing. It's just accepting it. Kids. Wife and kids. Because that's a job, right? That's a focus. And, you know, and that responsibility never goes away.

It's kind of like being a police officer. I think when they take their, when they retire, they're still cops. Can't not turn that off. Right, right. They should be able to keep their guns and their badge and tire,

you know, and be off duty on duty. And they get called in. If something happens, you step up and do your thing. Mike, he's ill I work with, man. And he's still a cop. Yeah.

He's like 40 years. You know, it's the same. These things, nobody else. I'm like, I wouldn't even pay attention to that. What are you talking about? Yeah. It's just DNA freaking changes the way they think and perceive life. How do you live life after that, though?

Like, to your point, guys, like, you know, that's not here. And, like, I think it was you that said, you can't live here and be a C. Yeah, that's a really complicated. I know what is. And I'm sorry, I just said something really interested me. Because they're scientists and researchers and doctors and philosophers that have been trying to answer. Yeah, man. If you had that answer, you'd be rich for a decade.

Oh shit, maybe I should find it. Yeah, that's a no-bell. That's your noble. There you go, bro. If that's the case. And, you know, and he takes a balance. It takes the realization that understanding that you are who you are, but you're in a different, you're in a different environment.

So your ability to adapt to that environment all the while having what and who you will are and have gone through is still there. Yeah. Just understanding that those that I had that realization when I was in class and grad school looking around, upset.

And I was like, you know what I realized everybody in here is different than me? No, I'm sorry. I'm different than everybody else in this room.

They don't have any idea who I am, where I come from, what I've done, that I'm different than everybody else. But this is where I want to be, so I have to understand that.

And I'm like, okay, hey, there's a good page turn right there, sit down, take a deep breath, and start to understand how I need to do that. That was where, I mean, I had to go undercover. I always told myself I never got out. I just got a sign to this hot chick and got to help raise her kids. And I just felt shit.

She felt like to do your civilian. No one knows that I'm an operator, but I'm just undercover. And I literally think like that. So it keeps me squared away. That's interesting because you're not joking. You're serious. That's why I had to work out. You know, there's a timeline.

I get up at a certain time every morning. I do a certain routine. And then, you know, our family is they, our wives and they get it. Yeah. I understand it. It has evolved over the years of, you know, struggles of combat.

Yeah. And I'm just talking about, you know, just military, you know, exiting that, exiting the services after fighting in the wars. And, you know, the America's great, man. American people are wonderful when it comes to our veterans.

Oh, man. Everything they can to give our veterans what they need. Especially with the seals. I mean, I'm trying to hide it. There's like a charity for every seal that exists kind of deal. I mean, it just. That's great, though. It's great.

No, absolutely. I mean, well, I mean, first of all, what you guys do is fascinating. I mean, truly to somebody that, I mean, for me, I want to be sure of, like, I would never even think I could do anything like that. And to know that America is being protected by individuals like you, it just, it touches my heart. And especially when I'm watching that documentary, seeing all these strong-ass men, like, the strongest men ever hurt so bad. That, that to me, like my son, I was sitting there. And there was one part when DJ said, I came back from combat. And then Patsy goes, here's your first.

four-month-old and I couldn't remember her name. My son grabbed my leg and goes, oh, I'm like, man, this is real shit. Like, this is stuff that goes on. While we're living our Kush life and while we're doing the things while you're in a prep school, you know, someone's daddy or someone's mom is off fighting for you in everybody here in this country. But to see them hurt so badly, I think it's just, it's like, damn. I don't even have words for it, to be honest.

You don't have to. It's hard to articulate. It is. It's really almost impossible to define. You're so, in DJ's a great example. You're so laser focused on what you're having to accomplish because it's not, it literally is a life or death situation for those guys.

No, hey, this is no joke. No, no, for real. It's not just me, but to my right and my left flank. If I'm not doing what I'm doing that, you think about what it, and very few people can do this. You've got to understand what kind of, I hate to use the word pressures. I don't have the right word.

But, you know, what does that take to be in that mindset to accomplish that task so nobody gets hurt? Okay? And then three days later, you're back at the house. That's it. That's what's fascinating. That's what is much slower. Oh, because our life's TV to them.

Mm-hmm. So then you get back. I remember when the kids were born. I was just kind of like, what are we going to do with this thing? I got it. I hear people, dad, I said, like, I loved it.

I loved my son from the very beginning. I was like, I didn't have that. What were your emotions? I had to, I had to freaking work at that. Yeah. I left full, after my first son was born,

I left four weeks, half he was born, I went overseas. I came back at almost a year old. Yeah, we just didn't have. And I don't know where that goes. But again, like I said,

so many answers to this question, right? This is kind of a Sartagorean perspective. Imagine having, there's the petiometer. I don't really kind of know if there is one. Even if one exists, that person would have to be the one that could try it all the way off and go, I'm cool. I'm just here. And that's hard to do.

They don't want to lose your edge around the boys either because you've got to go back in so fast. And the wars are so dynamic, they change every 30 minutes. So you're always constantly training and having to do. keep up with that and then we intensify it ourselves like there's a scenario and then there's us and the scenario they ratchet that thing up and make it we're harder on each other than the scenario ever could be so we can win so we can win and they everybody's currently that's what those communities do still don't today i mean if we were something i can't even imagine what they're like now because it's a slow oh man and then tech comes online with them so then they take what we did and they

they triple it, quadruple it probably, just to prove the... Bigger, just don't get on top of it. And there's the ego that goes with the badge that we wear, and then that's a real thing. Because we're sitting there watching them. Like, we're still alive. And we're watching them. Like, hey, man, you better not screw this up.

There's pressure that comes with them. Yeah, for sure. And they know it. You know it going in that. And you want it. I mean, it's like feeding on a drug. That's the most... And then you develop an appetite for it.

And I guess it's the withdrawals when you get back trying to get away from. There's withdrawals. A freaking withdrawal. Because you're not, you're not there anymore. It's weird because I, again, like, I don't need to clarify, but I don't do what you guys did. But when I go home from here, I'm not here anymore.

It is a different energy. There's different demands. And it's still hard to go from being at a ranch in Mississippi and then going back to home and doing all the other things. Not to a point where it annoys me, but there is a thing, okay, like I got to turn that switch off for now until tomorrow morning when I go to the studio and record.

That's what the I-Wigan helped me with. Because my switch got broke or got stuck on but the I would get and reset all that for me so I can do what you're talking about. Did you do the tow too after that again? Yeah. Okay, so you did the same treatment that they talk about the documentary. Absolutely.

And I believe you did too, right? Mm-hmm. Okay. What was that like for you guys? because I've done ketamine before under-controlled. Oh, you're talking about a nuclear bomb compared to a firecracker. Right. Well, I'm good with the firecracker because that shit, I mean, you know, hell, but. And everybody's different.

Everybody's experience is different. I always like to say it was absolutely one of the worst experiences I've been gone through. It was the greatest outcome ever. That's interesting. You guys with you Mexico? Mm-hmm. Yeah. Wow.

Wow. Yeah. Yeah. Interesting. Interesting. That's the thing I ever did for myself and my family. Good. Yeah.

I had a friend that was on his way back called me. I was like, these conversations you have to have with your family. Right. I was a lesson that I were having this conversation. And she was like, because there was a challenges aside. It came to a point where you're at a crossroad and you're not, hey, and I, where are we headed? So. That's what I got.

My wife said me too. I was team guy in it. You're like, what do you mean? I'm undercover, man. She's like, naughty more, you're not? Oh, man. That thing jerked to nod my ass and didn't want to let go. Oh, man.

That's like that identity shift where you get stuck, right? It's like, you know, this is me. It shows up in there. Yeah, I bet. I bet. A lot of, a lot of the veterans that go through it, they, when they're, when they're done with the treatment, you know, whatever it's called, whether it's a trip or whatever, whatever the correct terminology is, is, they realize,

that they can let go of survivor guilt. Did you guys, did you guys ever experience survivor guilt? No. No. Okay.

We didn't have PTSD. I didn't see one thing about the war. Really? No. We really like being there. Yeah. Yeah.

The TBI is different. Yeah. But the rest of that stuff, we never, that never got to us. You help people with TBI now, right? Your foundation, you went back and got your,

your advanced degree. It's this long-ass title. What is it? Apply cognitive. Apply cognitive. Yeah, something. Yeah. He's a smart one.

He is. I did. And I operated kind of in the health and wellness space for veterans during grad school and after. And currently my current position, big advocate for veterans across the board. Yes. And with the medications I have again and the other ones, I'm, it's a very delicate balance. As a legislator, I have to be very careful. Well, I am.

My right and left flank are very profound. Right. And set very, they're in concrete to make sure that it's done correctly. Mm-hmm. But yes, that is, I am currently doing it as well. It's just... It works so well that we're making sure that it's not abused and it's done right. So it could be administered to everyone else.

If it works on us, I mean, there's thousands, over a thousand of us that have been through the program. I mean, it works. Studies are being populated. Longitudinal studies are coming out. for everybody. So it's... Big universities of higher... Institutes of Higher Learning and Academia

are coming aboard the state of Texas. Our state passed this year. It gave the university's the ability to study this. Oh, wow. Oh, huge deal. That's a massive freaking deal, man.

100%. I got that done. I just went to testify in for that... Oh, shit. Yeah. And there's other states following suit. It's a real thing. I mean, it's been around a long time.

It is amazing. I like to say, I personally like to say it's an amazing tool that you can put in your proverbial toolbox, right? Right. We have a very, very large problem in the United States with fentanyl overdoses,

suicides. We want to move away from opioid, the SSRIs, all those highly addictive drugs. And I personally think that this lane is something that we need to be moving in in order to, you know, address.

I never say cure right now, I'm a brain scientist for you to be. And I don't say cure yet. But we have the ability to decrease symptomatic issues, increased quality of life. If we do that without creating highly addictive issues through medications that are little to know side effects, especially like highly addictive ones,

I think that's a great leap forward. I think so too. Do you feel that now that certain universities like in Texas and Stanford, you know, they're starting to, do these longitudinal longitudinal studies Sinai University, Washington University,

Stanford, Harvard. Is this a move in a direction that do you think maybe one day that in the United States can be used for treatment? Absolutely. I guess, you know, I mean, I mean, listen, I hope so.

I hope so because, you know, there's a lot of other dangerous things out there that are people are using and abusing like alcohol. I mean, think about it. Well, this just completely eradicates the notion the fact that we pass out, there's a difference between drug and a medicine. Like, drug, you get on it, you're on it.

Yeah. This is a medicine. Medicine. You take this one or two times, you ain't going. You don't want to go back here. You're like, I'm done. I'm good. I'm good.

Doc, I'm really, am I seeing that shit again? I don't want to. So, Mark's not really advocating for it to be done proper. Yeah. Not legalized. Like, where you go, you don't want to get me,

you don't catch this stuff on the street. No, no, no, no, no. God, that's, that's, that's important for us. That's very important. That's very important. somebody here. Anybody who's done it knows exactly what we're talking about. Yeah.

Yeah. I just think it will, you know, in my mind and in my heart way, and I think about this and I see the numbers, I hear the results. I'm thinking this can really kind of change how big pharma addresses certain issues. I think big pharma is a big problem. Yes. I think, too, you know, it's one thing for the firsthand experience, right?

for the veterans that are struggling with things from combat and then coming home and getting this treatment, it's medical treatment and getting better. But it's, but it's more than that, too, because it's the children. My wife went through. My wife, I came back and my wife was like, my wife's been through. Hey, I went through all this with you. And I was like, you did. Yeah. And anybody was the thing we ever did. A light and she meant she just, home life's awesome. I mean, life in itself has got a bliss to it. It's four or five years ago now. It's still, I mean, I'm not saying it takes all the work out of being.

Then it wouldn't be any fun. Then it wouldn't be any fun. I mean, you know, I'm talking about like. Yeah, you don't live in fantasy world. That's what you're saying. No, that shit don't happen. No, I mean, you can make it that. If you work real hard at it, but still, he has a human condition, man.

It's designed to work. It's designed to suffer down in here. So you want that. Let's touch on that because I love that perspective. There has to be the right amount of suffering and everything. that we do. I don't care if you're getting in shape. I don't care if you're studying to be a brain scientist. I don't care if you're building Legos. It doesn't matter. There has to be some type of suffering in what you're doing because there's zero appreciation if there's not.

That's right. So we've become too, I think, I think social media is kind of the culprit here. You know, people are talking about you can do something in 90 days. It's no problem. You set up this funnel. You do this. I can, you can make 100 grand in, you know, 90 days. Like, okay. Like, is that really real, right but but they they're pushing the fact that it's easy easy bake oven to success easy bake oven to get in the body you want and dude it's not easy you're going to suffer if you're not willing to suffer at all then you don't want it bad enough and you have no business starting it well I mean for it early if it's if it's if there's a painstaking process or it's miserable to get it you know it gets so much more yeah that's how you know you earned it's like you know you made

some ground anything we build out there you got to tack something into it to make it stand up and the suffering in itself is just getting hammered home. Yeah. It's how the body knows you're making progress. Yeah, exactly. I mean, maybe the word, people don't like that word, suffering, you know, humans will always go to the worst. What kind of suffering you're talking about?

You're talking about like pain, anguish, and agony? Maybe. Like, maybe. I mean, when people see you go through that, there's a recognition that goes with that. And there's a, every human being is searching for feelings. And that's why they take drugs, is why they drink, is where we work.

It's why we play. is why we do everything. Imagine how many scenarios are out there that you've never gotten into that will elicit a certain response in your body, a feeling. Imagine how many feelings are tucked in here that you'll never be able to tap into that you've never had an opportunity to. And once you feel something, man, and it lights you up, makes you kind of want to do it. They're all around here.

You just got to step into it. That's true. That's true. It's interesting. You know, I just, I think about it very often because there's times where I'll even sit there I'm like, yeah, I just, you know, I don't feel like it today. And I break these terms down because the audience listening, right, like, I want them to know that I'm on my own journey as well. And there are certain things in my life that I still struggle

with. Like sometimes they still have to talk myself into, you know, not eat in the ice cream at 9 o'clock at night. I have to talk myself into going to the gym. I don't have to talk myself into do this, right? Because I think this is my superpower. But also, what if something else my superpower that I need to learn about. And that is called discipline, right? And that's what we talk about here is a determination. That's what got you back into battle off your injury. That's what brought you home. There's these moments that you go to a place in your mind and just say, this pain, this suffering is temporary. And if I can make it through this, then I can do something really special. So I make willpower and discipline. Some people are like, what is that? What is that?

you say I don't know what that means. Take a cold shower every morning for 30 days. Yeah. Every single morning, no matter what, take an ice cold shower. And you want to know what willpower and discipline is? That one day four. Yeah. Yeah.

And you're like, bro. Dude, I did that once. I did that once. Is it right? Yeah, I did. I did Andy Fursala 75 hard, right? And so I did the whole, I did the whole live hard. I did a whole year of it.

Right. And those cold showers, I mean, Let me clarify. I'm a bitch, okay, because we live, I live in Florida. The water doesn't get very cold. Yeah, sure, so we, okay. But, but it was still cold. There you go.

It was still cold. I'm like, you know, this really sucks. You have? Yeah. Yeah, it's like, okay, but if I don't do this, because I said I would, I committed to this. If I don't do this, what else am I going to short change? I think that's the last.

It's the ice cream. If you can go through taking cold hour for 30 days, when you're looking at the ice cream, like, yeah, but if you take the cold shower, eat the ice cream. well wait a second how about that yeah if it gets reward if it gets hard yeah it's the reward maybe to reward yourself as well you work hard you play hard and then with the gym i tell people i'm like hey man what i want you to do is for two weeks i want you to do one push-up and then on that third week we're going to do two push-ups for two weeks not three or four because it takes more

discipline just to do the two and then every two weeks we're going to add one and you're going to build yourself up over the year just do two just do that and then after that if you're The day when you don't want to go to the gym, drive down there, pick up a dumbbell, put it on the rack, and leave. Just take your ass in there and pick up the dumbbell and put it on the rack. That's working out. And you committed. You ass went in there.

Whether it was a shitty workout or not. We cuss on here. Oh, you can cuss on it. Yeah, absolutely. Who cares? Yeah. Because we all have bad workouts. But at least you went in there.

Just do that. You made a choice. Just make a choice. Because that's when you pass. Yeah, man. That's your body's test in itself, right? So imagine you're looking for this kind of realization. Is this working or am I doing anything?

It'll be the day you get up and you don't want to go do that. I get those when I have to do my morning meditation, breathing, because it's the easiest thing. Oh, stretching. Oh, straight. I mean, it's literally the easiest thing to do on the planet, do it in front of the TV. Sit down.

Sit down and just kind of reach it down and grab your freaking toe. It won't do it. I just won't do it. I'll start tomorrow. I'll start tomorrow. I'll go to the month. It's a man thing, I think. or do something hard, man.

What is that? Yeah. It's the greatest thing for you, but you cannot talk yourself in that. Yeah. It's ridiculous. But just you have to start with baby steps. Like in order to, I'm breathing, meditate for over an hour now. I'd start with five seconds.

An hour. An hour. An hour. I get up early to make sure I get my entire routine done. And then I go wake the kids up and get their breakfast and get them off the school. Man. I'm standing tall, already done the shower, a whole nine yards. Love that.

And I just backed my day up. They're like, I don't have time to do it. I was like, well, you, yeah, you do. When you start putting those kind of successes in your suitcase, they just start coming a lot faster. Yeah, they start hauling ass, man. They show up. Just because you were willing to do one thing,

then something else kind of just starts walking in the door. And you'll notice it quick. Yeah, yeah, man, that would be good. Yeah, that's the thing that, because to that point, more opportunities start rushing you when you're doing the things that you said you're going to do. Because you put yourself in this energy and this alignment that I believe we're all magnets, right? Like we're spiritual beings. And in those moments, man, when that happens, it's the best.

So check this out, man. Most people don't have problems, man. You got paralyzed by opportunities. And that's a good fricking place to be. Like, I hear people complain. I'm like, what the hell are you bitched out? You got some rock kiddie. I'm like, that's amazing.

You complain about some good stuff. I was like, well, I spit the last five years. broke and hungry. Working as hard as I can and now I can't keep up. That's like blessing. Work it on the wall. Yeah.

So work hard. Like, and don't stop, right? Like, literally commit yourself to it. There's no finish line in life. Death. There is no finish line outside that ever. Yeah.

You got to keep running. But that, but that's where people get it messed up, man. Because they set finish lines in their lives every. That's why we have sports. That's right. It's full of them. Yeah.

Oh, you're going here. And that's what does hear me to you? What do you want to take it from here? Because there's always another exit or another ramps, like that never-ending cycle. And like I said, finish lines are for sports. Racing running races and stuff like that. And that's what we can get into. The race ain't the poor.

It's getting there to it. Yeah. And then they got to wind up doing it again the next year. So, like, it's in reality, there's not one, man. And he's got to keep going. Yeah, because that conversation happened off air, right? We weren't recording yet. But the audience hears me talk about all the time.

it's like you the gift is in the journey it's who you become in the process of chasing that goal because if you don't fall in love with that portion then when you get there you have those falloffs and that's when you told me mark it's like hey when you hit that reward you have to have a nice rest reset yeah go do something that you want to do go on a small trip right reward yourself and then get back on it too you have to feed the machine I'm terrible at that you got to feed You know? Like, that's, like, add it on the list. Like, the, the, the, the, it's like a checkpoint that you're, you're on a certain path.

You're right the journeys, the whole thing. Like, how did you get like that? I was like, well, I was doing this. Mm-hmm. And then this showed up. Yeah. Like, when you lift weights and this shows up. Yep.

And what comes with that? Confidence. Like, there's stuff in the body that you get after getting strong. Mm-hmm. Then you feel it. When you wake up and that's all tight. Yeah. And then there's this kind of this, you know, hey, what's up?

And there's this focus you have and there's bravado. that goes along with it. I didn't go away and you can get it back. Yeah. You know what I mean? It's a nice little. Yeah, you can lose it. You can be snatched away.

Talk to somebody who's been the best at something, like the best in the world or something and lost it. Fighters. But they got it back. Got it back. Talk, hear what they have to say about that. Yeah. Personally, like I had no idea what I had.

Jay color and bodybuilder. Yeah. You know, I'm talking about them guys. Andre Agassiz. Yeah, Agassie. Man, his story. Football players are great at the Super Bowl champions. And the next year, the athletes are great for that.

They're freaking great for that. They ride that roller coaster, man. Business leaders. People lost everything. I lost it all. Like, did you see the jury Jones documentary? Mariststein. Yeah.

He's like I got a $50 million. $50 million, bro. And it hit and they guys, not look what I got. Yeah. Hey, hey, it's a hey, all my body will stretch you all the way to the damn minutes, man. 50 million dollars. I'll let you go back in there. I'm going to tell my wife that next time she says, hey, there's a little too much on this credit card.

I'm like, Jerry Jones was $50 million in a time. I'll be happy. He said I can do it this way. That's hysterically. And then the best stories, the best self-help books, and the ones we love to hear are that. Yeah. It's not like I was born.

Life was great. Oh. That's why everybody loves Rocky. There you go. American. If you're American, you're Rocky. Yes. Dude, you got to do it that way.

Yes. And sometimes, you know, the Russians beat the shit out of me. Just beat the dog piss down. Evan Dr. Ranga. You live and listen to some of the stuff that comes out of his mouth. Hey, if you're not getting beat up, then you don't get to listen to Rocky music. Yeah, you can't.

And then you can't go do the cool training in the gym with Apollo. Exactly. You need to get used your ass with, man, so you can go work out with Apollo. That one scene where he started to this boy, life is hard. Now you're dead. I'm waiting. I'm feeding out. Oh, oh, that was the newest one, right?

Are you talking about he's in the street? In the street with his kid. Oh, dude, I got goosebumps, bro. I got goosebumps. I got to feed that one to my 12. If he's standing at the base of the stairs, talking to Adrian about being a fighter. Yeah. What Apollo does, those two.

Those those are Stallone Yeah I mean I got a lot Body chills right now man Like the one that

The Rocky one You're talking about The street That he got to walk When he said that I was like Yeah Do you go for a walk

I got to walk I got to shit off man I was No like listen to that Because Because I think there was At the beginning

Of a Of a song There was a remix I think it was It was Eminem It was a mix With Eminem And I think

Roy Jones Like They did it Like The rocky part Was the intro to the song.

Oh, dude. It's called her to go home. Dude, no, it's called Can't Be Touch. Can't be touched. Yes. Thank you. Lori Jones, that album hits harder than anything. Dude.

When I play that one, I really want to go here. Yeah. Yeah. You saw, I know, I don't win. Dude, yes. Yes. But dude, I'll throw that. This can freaking get it.

That song will freak. Are you down fired up right now. No, I'm saying. Let's go for a run. We're fired up for some fillet later. Those two songs, man. I'm going to tell you, that song has me thinking, like most of Eminem songs.

You're Florida boy too. I'm originally from California. Oh, okay, because Roy is. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm originally from California to San Francisco Bay, but I came out to Florida in 2008. But that specific song, I'm like, man, why can't that song be 25 minutes long?

It should be your theme song for your podcast. That's how hard that's something it's here. Man, we used to have a theme song. We used to have a theme song. Everybody has that thing. I was like, you know, a name on a boat. Yeah, exactly. What's your name on your boat?

Bad love that boat. You know, swank. down a plane that's go there's certain certain things you just need to rent come on come on what about you best piece of us yeah i got a boat you yeah what's it called saint peter same peter yeah very cool yeah um we don't want the boat uh we have a boat we had a job boat i thought he was your soulmate oh the john boat he's got a dingy and he's like we're gonna fucking the horse on we're got the best piece of advice man when it comes to planes and boats you got a buddy yeah yeah yeah got a guy yeah you got a guy it's like the best piece of advice man when it comes to planes and boats you got a buddy yeah yeah it's like

cable guy you got a guy I got a guy I got not buying that stuff right he did and he likes to have friends on it being added to that borrow list as we get older oh man it started out with yeah planes and boats right so too talk to me about you know as we start winding down on time I want I want to talk a little bit about today present day right congressman second second term second term second term man second out I'm retiring you're retiring kids man kids yeah can't get that time back I'm a hardcore term limits guy. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Cool. Which, hardly enough, I was, I was in my district yesterday and, oh, my districts. We grew up in our district. So they were like, why, you know, you're leaving? I was like, I'm term limits. They're like, well, then it'd have to be that

short in town. I was like, hey, I'm founding fathers. Yep. That's cool. But what Margaret just said, my babies, they got eight and I got a 12 year old, and they're moving into that phase. Mm-hmm. Dad has got to be there, pump that blue eye. Yep. Okay. And that's very important to us. I feel that.

So it's two boys? Two sons. Two sons. I got two boys and a girl. Two boys and a girl. But that's a great time in Congress. Don't even wrong. Oh, I bet.

But it's important to be there for the family. Sure. Man, overall want to be great fathers. Yeah. Mm-hmm. I want, we want that so bad to be good dads. Yeah. It's the Korean and our boys turn out, which I know they will better.

Yeah. I mean, it's like, because when we put them out to the public, our people. I and I survive of the American people. They put us together after all our helicopter crashes and get all that. We graduated high school. The day we graduated high school, the day we graduated here at the house and dad walks in the living room, he's like, you're 18 years old and graduate high school, I'm giving you in and taught you everything I know. You can get a job. You can go to college.

You can join the military, but you can't stay here. Oh, shit. That was a hard man. That was the conversation. Yeah. It wasn't because I tell my boys right now, I'm like, when you're 18, after you graduate high school, you have the summer. you have the summer, then you're leaving. But you will go to school because I'm a big academic now.

Yeah. But I think that was such a profound move from our father. He goes, I can't teach you to be a man anymore that I have here. You're going to have to wear the rest of them. They'll teach you. Yeah. The other men. And I mean, you and the women.

I don't make a good man or break one of them. You know, they should have a great time to figure that one out. Every guy knows that. Every, hey, you know, part of the journey. Part of the journey. They were 18. We don't have to go home. Yes.

We get ourselves into you. Thank God we were together. College got me in a lot of trouble. I play baseball at LSU. Yeah. Well, we hung out with all the all. So, I mean,

yeah. Baseball players are crazy. Right. Not a Jersey's a rugby player, but you guys are pretty nuts. We're different. We're a different breed. We're a different breed.

I think rugby players are... It's like their own tribes. You know, rugby is baseball players, football players. It's like, once you understand them, then they're a lot of fun. Yeah. Or a closed circle.

Rugby is just everywhere. Yeah, man. We're very calculated. Not really. Strategic. Strategic. Very strategic. Tactically strategic.

Tetrically strategic. Especially in the bar scene. Yeah. Yeah. We know how to fish. Yeah. Absolutely. Yeah.

We work right away at school. It was, it was, it was, there's something to be said about being broke. Mm-hmm. I mean. Well, that's why you left California. That's the time to do it. Oh, absolutely. And college.

Be a broke college. Hey, when them sue loans kick in, right? When's that check coming, bro. Yeah. Dad. Sorry. Sorry. yeah we had to work yeah we worked that way through we we weren't allowed to because

yeah yeah we didn't have a problem man they didn't have it bro yeah yeah we weren't at the university which is clutch we were lifeguards the university plugged in you know what I'm talking about you go yeah target rich environment like squins from sandlock yeah yeah there's one out we were worked at the uh yeah great pool great pool it's great good delivery too is on time I mean I try I try strategic that's it strategically tactical it's like I knew it was common me. That's it. Yeah. I appreciate you guys coming on. It's been so great. This has been, this has been fun, man. I don't want to stop, but I mean, I think people are waiting on us. We're getting to look over the show. I don't know. I just feel that steak. I didn't know that steak.

Okay. Well, we got, are you going to be able to eat steak? No, it's good at it. We got got to get the bone. The bone broth. I'll eat in front of him too. Yeah. Well, you've been doing the last 45 days. He's like, I was really good about it. You know, it was the worst about it was my wife. Really? Yeah. I was pretty cool about it. I was like, yeah, man, I got it. Yeah. The best is when people would apologize while they're doing it. I'm so sorry. I'm so sorry. I'm sorry.

Are you? You look happy. I mean, you look good. You look really good. You look sorry. What did she do? He said she was the worst. Take care of him.

Oh, what do you mean? No, she said she was the worst. Bro, I got trapped on an airplane in New York and they served lasagna and meatballs and there. And then she would, you know, sitting right beside me all the time. She would just... Oh, this is so good. So good. Oh, that's so wrong.

Because I stare, you know, you stare. Of course. Yeah, it's like, you throw it's like, I don't know what the fucking starts with it. Because it can't help it smell. I can't. Can you remember what it tastes like? And then it gets more intense because you haven't had it's like maybe it tastes like

something that I have never had before. I know what you're talking about. A kind of mind rape starts going on. Oh my God. And then I look at her and she's like, it's good. Oh, my God. That's horrible. And then we were at a charity event one time and she goes,

I didn't get the steak. I got the fish because I didn't want to, I didn't want to torture you. And then I'm sitting there watching me eat the fish. She's like, she goes, if you're wondering, because it's the best fish I've ever had it is. Oh, my. She sounds funny, man. She's great. Yeah. That's fantastic. Completely like when the Almighty put her in front of me, I screwed up a lot of stuff in my life. I was dumbass most of the time growing up. Edg Walker. Yeah. But when they show up.

I didn't screw any of that up. I'm the same way, man. I got blessed. Yeah. I screw up a lot, but not that. I outkick my coverage bank time. Absolutely. She's great. We got a buddy says he runs out of talent. Yeah.

I love that one. We waited. We waited. We were older. Yeah. There's one and done for a lot. I'm going to lob this. Period.

Hey. I'll try, I'll change. Yeah. Just to make sure that works. Yeah. I can do it again. No.

No, no. I got buddies to do that, man. That's one ass weapon. I don't want to. That's one thing I don't want to do. Yeah. Wake up every morning. roll over and look her in the face and fall in love with her all over again freaking

keep it like that i i want to i want to talk about that a little bit more because people that are listening might be having marriage problems right now this is important you ever i always tell myself and because you have issues with marriage you're just a touch you remember the remember that first yeah this is when we do that first a couple of months you got butterflies in it yeah every time you see them freaking touches you and you touch your hand you know that man man i tell them my remember that. Remember that. Don't always be

don't ever forget that, man. I can tell you, I was like, because we ain't easy to get along with at all. But, and they just take care of us and our kids.

Kids, man. It's just like, you know, God has such an, it's such amazing things for us, but like teammate too. I love that. Once they covered down on you for something,

you didn't see, like a blind spot? Yep. I got a whiff of that. Oh, yeah. And I was like, you did that for me? Like, that's something my boys would have done.

And she stepped up into that and that took some pain. That is differently for you. Oh, real. Yeah. That's all in. Somebody I heard said one time, like, hey, man, if you ever caught anybody talking to your wife the way you do, you wouldn't just meet them up, you'd kill them. And that changed me. And then one, I heard one was like, hey, your marriage is like a weather channel, awesome updates.

Like feeding the storm. Like, keep it at bay. And like, hey, what's up? What do you? I need to do? Is there something I can cover it down on? And what? Because women speak a different language than men.

I didn't know that when I got in there. If you'd be in an argument and then the argument would take a different level, like sometimes you're saying the same thing, but saying it a different way. Right. And then never, ever say anything that would change the way she looks at you as a human being. Because men,

especially our generation, have a superpower to do that. Yeah, you come off at the mouth and crush them. Yep. Like, do you want to drink anything? Anything or do anything that makes her feel like you won't protect her.

Man, do you don't want to lose that? Yeah. that is that's why we get we're saying we'll shut them off but anyway let's say anything trust me trust you don't want me to speak

you don't want me to give me give me give me a second here and we walk this off but I'm gonna call one of my boy and me something and I'll just kind of look at him like not cheap me let me let me walk this off for a second may take a couple days will be good yeah it's got nothing to do with you

but for whatever reason you're always here and like I don't know you're saying to your boys and it wouldn't even do anything yeah because they're just designed for that. But the women aren't, right? Because in the wife thing, they take that very seriously. It changes something in the relationship. So we didn't know that. This is coming from our side. Leslie, man, she, she understands, hey, this is a two-way street. And you're going to have to

receive what I'm sending, because I'm going to do the best for you. Yeah. And people that have the rocket relationship, there's a man, communication is key. Everybody, now you're talking. Right. Clutch, man. When you roll the bed at night, you roll over, even if you can't even stand the way that I smell right now. Tell me you love. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Never.

Never. You know, my, my mom taught me that in early age. Never were to bed, mad. Never go to bed,

Matt. You know. I flip up on the couch. Yes. But you weren't mad in there. I just don't go to bed. I just don't go to bed.

I'm like, I'm like, I'm going to bed. I think it's important because we're not guarantee the next day. We don't know if the good Lord is going to wake us up.

Like, you're going to go. Oh, imagine how hard that would hit. Like, in a fight and they leave and something happens. Dude.

How many movies have been made over that scenario? Oh, dude, a thousand of them. Can't take it back. You can't want to chew on that kind of grief. Yeah. One of the things that my wife and I do, if we're in a really heated argument, we'll just take a break within the house. Neither one of us will leave. Like if I leave, if I leave, I'm going outside for a walk.

I'm not going to fire up the TRX. Right. Because that engine would probably trigger something different for her. And to me, I could say, well, I'm just going for a ride. And none and not because we don't know what's going to happen on that ride. Yeah. You know, so it's tell me you love me before you go to bed, no matter how we're feeling, or how pissed you are.

Always gives you a good night. Yeah. Yeah. I'm like, like, hey, bro. Check this. To what Leslie did. What listening did to me, man. Tell me, I'm crazy.

I'll explain this thing to you. And here comes a different perspective. Yeah. I'm like, I didn't see it that way. Thank you. And we got our crew, too. I'll call, hey man, you've ever been in this scenario? Oh, yeah.

I'm like, what did you do and what would you wish you have done? Yeah, what should I not do? I have said all the time. I haven't done anything yet. So I'm thinking about doing this. I'm thinking about doing this. And then he'll say something like, all right, and you'll hang up, you call the next guy.

Hey, man, this is what I got. And then we get these different perspectives. And it makes you feel better, actually. Yeah, yeah, yeah. By the time you got it off your chest, can walk it in. And then if you screw up, even if you don't screw up, apologize.

Yeah. Yep. They love that and makes everything clear the air. Even if you were the one that didn't do anything, I apologize. Man, I say sorry for stuff. Just be a man. Just be a man up. Man up, dude.

Cover that shit. So I always call my best friend Quinn, bro. Bro. I'm about to lose my shit right now. Hear me out. He goes, oh, no. He goes, but don't, bro. French, you don't.

Don't. He goes, what happened? What are my buddy do? Because my best friend and my wife, they're like identical. They're both Virgo's. They both have that same. you know, energy, and they're the most loving people on the planet. And they're there for you.

They'll kill for me. But, you know, it's like he can help me through things if I need something. Everybody needs to swim by. I was like, hey, yeah, exactly. It's like, hey, bro, Jackie's doing this, man. That's how I'm perceiving. And I was like, no, but from her perspective, bro, like, think of it this way. I said, bro, who's side you're on?

He goes, both of yours. Yeah. Like, both of yours. Like, I'm on your side. So I'm telling you this. So you don't go do some Sean French shit. Take. don't mess that up so it's important but uh all right guys well thank you so much

yeah you bet appreciate you guys so much it's great meeting you we're gonna have a great time this weekend i mean those got some quail hunting i i don't bro i've never maybe shot a gun once in my life no no practice for this one no i yeah that's what like wedding crashes i mean do what a fcgill looks like quail looks like wedding crashers didn't wasn't it vinfe all the got shot in the ass i don't want to get shot in the ass no one shoots me in the ass i don't want to get shot in the ass i don't want to I mean, that close anyways. I mean, I think I trust you with a gun.

Here we go. I think, I'm not worried about you. Don't worry about that. I'm not worried about y'all. But thanks again for coming on. And for the audience, steadless in this episode, share this with somebody you know love and trust,

maybe with a veteran, maybe with a spouse. We talked about a lot of things in this show, right, guys? And, you know, and even that friend or spouse or somebody struggling with how to move forward when things are getting tough. So, you know, here at the determined society,

we do the hard things in life. And so for all of you out there, until next time, stay determined.