Determined Society with Shawn French | Adversity & Mindset - The Pulse: Inside the Society

Episode Date: August 15, 2025

In Episode 2 of The Pulse, Shawn French & Pat Sitkins “flush the format” to give you a behind the scenes look at The Determined Society—covering everything from shark attack survival to the mental reset that comes with back-to-school season. They kick things off with a hot take (but is it?)—baseball is the greatest sport. From there, it’s intentional parenting and setting the tone for back-to-school season, not with chaos—but with clarity. They also dive into The Frequency, the brand-new Official TDS Spotify playlist built from the hype songs of our guests. But this isn’t just music. It’s memories. It’s moments. And every track carries the energy of someone who’s fought through something. This episode covers: Why (we think) baseball is the most mentally rich game in sports The back-to-school energy reset—at home and in business Behind the scenes of The Frequency and the soul behind the songs Surprising stories from behind the Episodes Sneak peeks at what we have coming Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

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But going in the end makes me feel good. My definition and determination is remembering why you started in the first place. Dude, I'm motivated very little, man. I was motivated to start the show. But I'm motivated every single day that I'm executing conversations and recordings and the back-in stuff, the Tuesday morning meetings. I'm always motivated to do it. But I know where it's going to take me. And so that discipline kicks in.

to a point where, like, this is part of it. This is the price of admission. And too many people out there that are watching and listening, like, they're thinking, like, oh, gosh, I asked for this. And I'm complaining about it. No, I accept that shit because it's a gift. What up, everybody? Back for another episode of The Pulse with my boy, Pat Sikkins.

What's up, man? How we doing in studio in the news studio? The news studio, man, much more to come. We got some mic box is coming. The icon going in the background. It's going to complete it. It's going to be like, you complete me. just like it.

Just like it. I'm excited, man. That's right. Little things, dude. Little things. We're here and we're going to bring back the pulse for another episode. Got to come into town last night, which is cool. Back first time, really, in about 15 years.

That man. You got to sleep in a bunk bed. Got to sleep in a bunk bed with some LSU sheets. Do you feel like royalty today? I did. It was waking up in purple was a different experience for me. Green is different. Yeah, purple and gold, color of royalty.

Yeah. They're picked to win the national championship this year from what I hear. I don't know. I don't see why they would. I'm going with that person, that one person that picked them to be the favorite to win it to, I'm going off of them. That's gospel for me. I like that. Well, it's actually a good segue because we got baseball season.

Oh, yes. Right now. We do. But we have football season coming up. And we've had some great guests on current guys. We've had St. Juice. We've had Matzik, Adam Gotzis. Who else?

Good grief. Oh, my gosh. Current. I think that's all current. Current. We've had gronk on. We've had gronk on. We've had, you know,

Eric Wood at one point. We've had a lot. We've had a lot of NFL players. It's been nice. With NFL coming back, I want to hear. Marcus Ogden, too, man. That's my guy. I can't forget.

A jag? Yep. Original. Original. I guess we have to give Matzick a shout. I mean, we had him on last summer. And then he's a two, you know, now two time. Yeah.

Stud. And he just got married. Congrats, buddy. That's right, buddy. Congrats. Happy wife. Happy life. That's right.

All right. So I wanted to talk about football. to segue back into baseball. Okay. Okay. Okay, so I want to talk about, because you and I've had some conversation around this, but you had your clip that went viral around baseball. You had a few of them. Okay.

So I want to touch on it first, and I want to keep going. So why exactly did you get hammered so much about talking about the greatest sport in the history of the world? Because most people don't understand the sport. And they want the sport to move faster. But what they don't realize is how fast it moves on the field. There's always something going on. So the people that the casual fan sees it as a boring sport and I have to wait for the player to hit the ball and they just stand around, grab their nuts. This is really not what it is, man.

I know it's what it looks like. Yeah, it happens. Absolutely. Whether it's yours or someone else is it happens. But it's like there's so much more going on inside the game. And my whole point to that reel was I hated the changes. I don't like a pitch clock. I don't like the extended basis for safety.

I don't like certain things that they've implemented. And I think what it did is it really triggered the casual fan that's used to just watching the Savannah bananas and thinking that is fucking baseball because it's not. It's a nice act. It's like a circus on the baseball. This episode is brought to you by State Farm. Listening to this podcast, Smart Move.

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because I wanted to set the premise here, because there's a conversation that happens to my family all the time. We're a house divide. My kids play soccer. My wife played soccer as well. And they think that soccer is the greatest sport. And I try to, you know, I try to state my case, right? Like, why baseball, right?

Played D1. You play D1. So we obviously have a skewed view of the sport. But I think I've finally figured out why it's the greatest game ever. Hit me was it. Okay? And we talk about it. You see the shenanigans that happen.

Hot foot, you know, bubbles on. people's heads, all the things that happen in baseball. And people look at that and they don't quite understand. Same way, right? Everything's moving on the field. The shenanigans and all the things that make baseball zesty. Jeff Leach, we saw you using it. We appreciate that.

Copyright. We want to kick back on that. A little TM. Just a little bit. That's right. But it's zesty in the way that the Dodgers do things that are fun. It's a game. Yeah.

It's the only sport that I see that has that going on. Right or wrong. No, I agree. and the cool thing about those shenanigans or the pranks or the questionable behavior with the Dodgers and other baseball players, I don't call it questionable, but maybe Joe Public would. I understand it and I think it's necessary

because here's the thing, man, that game is so mentally stressful that you have to take a small brain break in between all the shit that's happening because if you don't, you'll start to, you know, just marinate in all the failure. And so baseball is structured with, you know, again, a lot of the F word, the failure. And if you can't have fun moments within the game and the downtime and when people are tense, you got to know when to fire up those little shenanigans to get people relaxed and to get people to perform and have fun.

Because at the end of the day, man, baseball, it's a big business, right? They make a lot of money, everything like that. But it is a child's game. And if you can stay childlike and have fun like that, then, man, you're doing it. right. So Dodgers, man, Dave Roberts, you got it right, man. We love you guys. That's right. And, you know, I was just thinking, we left Marlon Jackson off that list, which we shouldn't have. Oh, my God. Well, that's a... And I was listening to that on the way down here, because I know we're going to have a call with him soon. And he talked about it. All the little things are happening. Like, what's going to happen with this pitch? If the ball comes to me, and so there is that stress. But I think that's, in my opinion, when I go into these arguments in my house with the soccer people, or football, as I guess we're bringing it back. Football. It's still a game. And you see people still out there, you know, it's the... The necklaces, it's the butt slats. Claire loves that. She has now learned that us in football are the only one, so she will just give it to me.

Yeah, that's great, man. But it's that part of it that makes it still a childhood game. Agreed, man. It's fun, man. It's fun to see. I love when people have fun. I'm not big on the whole pimp jobs and, you know, the different, you know, throwing the bats, but that's another story.

But at the end of the day, they're still out there having fun. And to me, like, that's why I tell the kids all the time when they're going out there, I'm like, somewhere along the way, these parents who are running youth sports, organizations. For God, that's a game. Yeah, it's a game. So it's that fun. A lot of fun.

That's right. Okay. So I want to stick on baseball one more. Thank you. Okay. One more. Okay. So I don't know if I sent you this, but Cal Raleigh who won the Home Run Derby.

Did I send you this or did you see it? I don't know, but I saw a lot about Cal. There's a video of him when he's eight years old. Oh my God. So good. Okay. And what does he say? It says, I'm the home run derby champion.

And he celebrated and had like a trophy or something like when he was eight. And then it has. happened. I got goosebumps, man. That's just manifesting your only, it's manifesting your reality, man. So there it is, because we talked about this the last episode and we talk about it a lot. I look at that and I go, okay, that's cool, right?

We, you know, the, you know, game seven, blah, blah, bases loaded. That was playing. It was game. When I saw Cal, I went, that's not belief. That's knowing. That's knowing. That's an intrinsic feeling in knowing what's going to happen. I thought that was like for us to take that all the way back and go, this is what we were talking about.

It's like, I'm the home run champion. Yeah. And then here he was again. I'm the home run champion. So crazy, dude. Because playing around,

right, like, yeah, we won the World Series. That was believing. Like, believing one day I can go to the pros. He's like,

I know. The one thing that I don't think enough people are talking about with the whole Cal Rally thing is the fact that he did it as a catcher. You know, like he broke that record prior to the All-Star break for home runs. As a catcher, you're the biggest power source for a hitter is your is your trunk man is your lower is your lower half and as a catcher you're constantly up and down and you're exhausted playing probably six out of seven days and still don't have enough legs to blow bottles on the ballpark like that holy shit that's a magnificent feat that's more than adrenaline there's there's there's like he just knew and he stepped into his moment that was really cool that's pretty cool all right so let's talk about what's happened since you know i guess in the last three, four weeks since the last

polls, has some really good episodes. So talk to me a little bit about the highlights that you think, you know, stand out for you. So I got an opportunity to do an interview with Earl Charles Spencer yesterday. It's part of the, you know, the family out there that lives in the All Thor Pallas, ERISA Krat family. His sister was Princess Diana. But the thing that really stuck out to me for him was just how

gentle he was, how, how complimentary and humble that man is. He's wrote many books, the most recent one, a very private school about the abuse and, I mean, physical and sexual abuse within the boarding school system out there in the UK that he experienced. And it was a very vulnerable book. And it's helping so many people. I mean, you know, from him as an author and a historian to the fact that, you know, he's been on news outlets as a journalist. Like this guy's extremely successful. I'm sitting there talking to him. And he's, he's doing the interview in the historic Althor house. Like, like, guys, like that to me, I'm like sitting there. I asked him like, are you there right now? And he's like, yes.

I'm like, selfishly, this is massive for me. Like, this is really cool. You're doing the interview there. And it's where he likes to work. And just, just having that conversation with him. It was one of those conversations that I just honestly did not want to end because he was just so kind, man. We're so alike. We were talking about

ADHD and how his mind works. I'm like, holy shit, that's like exactly how. When did making plans get this complicated? It's time to streamline with WhatsApp. The secure messaging app that brings the whole group together.

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No, no, no, not. I could relate to him in so many ways. Yeah, no, man. But he was amazing. We recently did one with Floyd Raglan from Super Car Saturdays, which is really great because it was a former athlete and then really got into cars. He's doing something so big with these, you know, luxury cars, sports cars, you know, did something with, um, Lamborghini of Naples at the Rebs Institute and then went to the Rebs Institute, a museum here in Naples, Florida to where we just cranked out this interview and there's all these amazing cars. There's such an amazing event. But the thing that I loved about him was just like how soulful he was and just he was, everything

about him was centered around core values and how you treat people and how you give back to the community. And so when I continue to have conversations like that with people, it just really inspires me just to know that, hey, I'm on the right track. and there's a lot of people out there that are trying to cause that positive ripple in the ocean and really help society. Absolutely.

One that I wanted to talk to you about, is we talked to Tiffany about the shark attack and surviving. First, I'll just let you tell the audience because if they haven't seen that episode, so why don't you give them what that was about. So Tiffany Johnson, you know, we released that episode last week right on the onset of Shark Week.

and it was timely, obviously. It was strategic, but, you know, her story was kind of amazing because she was, you know, on vacation with her, with her family. And on the last day, they were on a cruise and they went to, they were in the Bahamas or Nassau. Yeah, they were in Nassau. And they went out open, they went out in the open water and they were, you know, went to a reef and they were doing some scuba diving. And when they all got in, her husband decided that he wasn't, you know, he's not, did. didn't decide, but he got seasick. He didn't feel good. So he came back on the boat saying that he didn't feel well, right? And he was up there. And when she went out in the water and she was

you know, diving, you know, looking at everything, looking how everything beautiful was, like on the reef and all the fish. And he's on the boat throwing up. He doesn't even know what's about, you know, the impending events, right? And I mean, you never know, right? But he wasn't even present enough the ability to be present to see. what was going on wasn't there because he was so sick. He had thrown up three times on the boat. And right when he got in the water to wash off and he came up, that's exactly kind of when,

to my understanding, Tiffany felt like she just ran into something. Just like, there was no pain, but there was like this mask. Like, man, I hit something like a reef.

And it just was a jarring. She looked over and there was a shark. You know, all the way her arm was in a shark. And, you know, all the way up and she was like eyes to face to face with a shark. and, you know, she had her whole arm in the shark's mouth.

And I asked her, I'm like, what kind of shark do you think it was? And she goes, well, it could have been a bull, but, you know, a tiger. But she said, I really think it was a tiger shark because it's beady eyes. It was just black, dark, and it was just scary. And so she started to kind of, you know, try to get away. And that's when the sharks said, all right, game on, like, and started fighting her. And, you know, eventually she pulled hard enough to where, you know, kind of, you know, she got loose, but really what it was, is her arm coming off in the shark's mouth. And she's like,

oh my God. So she gets up and she's like swimming and she realizes that nobody knows what's going on yet. And she's like, wow, I better, you know, take what's left of my limb and get it out of the water because, you know, I don't want the shark, you know, following it. That's the only thing she's thinking. Like, they follow the blood. I mean, in hindsight, you know, no matter what blood's going in that water, your arms off, right? But like when you're when you're thinking of it, it's, it's it's like this, okay, I got to do whatever I can to get to the next checkpoint, which is the boat. Like, I got to get to the boat so I could survive or have any chance to. The thing that was amazing to me is when she was doing that, she lifted her limb out of the water and just blood started squirting up, like the fountain.

Like, just like she said it's called like the fountain of view that starts spewing. And that's when her husband's like, she could see her husband like just freak out and just see the panic on his face. but like the thing that struck me during her actual attack that I want to touch on is when she was fighting there was this moment where she just felt everything give up like started getting all the visions of moments with her children and all that stuff started playing in her mind she could see this stuff and then something inside of her which she you know to her is it was was christ like i i got that that power that strength to fight the sharks like i'm not i'm not i'm I ain't dying right here in this water.

She got to the boat and, you know, they ended up, you know, getting her to, you know, a hospital. And all they had was morphine. They didn't have the proper medication that we have here. So that woman spent a ton of time in pain. And luckily she had a connection with somebody. She was able to get flighted, you know, bay flight out of Bahamas earlier and into a port in North Carolina where they were from. And typically they go to the nearest one. They'll go to Miami.

They took her all the way to North Carolina. So it just worked out. So that happened like on a Friday and like Tuesday, Monday or Tuesday. I think she was home. Like in her house. Amazing, amazing, amazing, amazing interview. How did that hit you? Because I know you're not as big of a fan of the water as I am.

Yeah. I mean, how did that hit you? Because I know it's, can I call it a fear? Oh, yeah. Is it the ocean of fear? Is it kind of just everything that's working? It's the sharks, man. And I just don't, you know, I don't care for it.

I don't fuck with it, dude. Like, you know, just imagine, like, and everything is, all these sharks are coming so much closer, you know, to the shore now. I don't know what it is, but, like, you're seeing reports of a lot of different things happening. In fact, Val sent me a video today of this child waist deep in water and a shark circling it and the parent trying to go save the child. Like, like, guys, we are in their waters. Like, I don't care if you're far out or you're right there. that is their habitat. So for me, it just scares me, you know,

because you can even see, like, aerial views of even Fort Myers Beach. And it shows people in the water and all the sharks just around swimming. It's scary. I mean, they're there. And I'm not saying this to scare people out of the water. Certainly not because, you know, I'm very, very much pro-ocean nature, all that. You know, I think for me, it was a good awareness episode just to remind me that, yes, they are. And, you know, summertime, especially like once I see one or two shark attacks in Jack's Beach, I tend to stay out of the water until it cools down a little bit.

But you're right. I mean, it's calculated risk. And I think that's kind of where I want to go with it with you is, you know, you look at these things. And I've talked about, oh, you know, we were talking about wild boars before this. Yeah. You know, those are some nasty things. Let me tell you, they're nasty. And they're on land.

But, you know, between, oh, you could get hit by lightning, car crash, blah, blah, before a shark attack. Like, I know it doesn't make it any less scary for anyone. So talk to me and talk to the listeners about that choice when you have to decide, like, the reward is probably bigger than the risk. So, you know, Bethany Hamilton is a great example. Same thing happened. She decided that the reward of pursuing her passion continuing to serve competing at a high level was worth it. I think that's a great question. But, you know, I think it's different for everybody, right?

So for Bethany Hamilton and even for somebody like you that you're, you being grounded relies on that ocean, it's that big of a purpose for you. So I always say like, hey, if it's something that truly fulfills you like Bethany's, you know, competing and being a surfer and overcoming that

because the ocean was such a big part of her life, then I say, yeah, the reward's much larger than the risk, right? Because what are the odds of it happening again, if at all? Even though we see it a lot now,

now, but like, what are, you know, if you extrapolate that or count that as like, what are the odds of, you know, getting in a car accident versus getting, you know, attacked by a shark? It's largely skewed to car accident, right? But we're, it's so normal for us to do every single day. So like, I, I don't know if I'm rambling here, but for me, it's just more about like what, what's your life's purpose? If your life's purpose and in a fulfillment in that thing, then you have to continue to do it if you can because otherwise you you will decay. Yeah. And I'm not talking just about shark attacks or surfing and the potential of a shark attack. I'm talking about leaving a job and starting a podcast. You know, it's really, I think the point is like I obviously know your story and it's well documented on the show.

And we've talked to a lot of people that have taken that, you know, proverbial leap of faith and saying, okay, I know I don't know what's between here and there. But I've weighed all the options. And I think in order to get to this, it's worth that unknown. Yeah, I mean, for me specifically, like we can touch on that. Like, I know it's been well documented, but new listeners every freaking show, man, they may not know. No doubt. You know, I left a great medical sales career to do this. And I didn't know the in between, but I knew the fucking outcome.

I knew the outcome. And a lot of times you have to dive head first in, whether it's an investment in something or just an investment in yourself and acknowledging what your true gift is. I think, you know, going through this life. and your life ending and getting to the pearly gates of heaven and not in realizing you didn't pursue your passion, your gift, I see that as a waste of life. And so for me, when I made that risk, or, you know, decided to take that risk, for me, it was calculated because I couldn't be told what to do, when to do it, how often to do it anymore. Like, I became very unemployable. And, For me, like there was a part of me that was dying because of it.

And so I decided this is the route I'm going. And, you know, it took a lot of conversation and a lot of moving things around with me and my wife. And we decided, all right, let's give this thing a whirl. And, you know, now we're kicking some serious ass and we're just getting started, I believe. So that's the exciting part about it. I know. Yeah. No belief.

I know. Exactly. But that's it. You know, so you look at the. You go, okay, the reward is worth getting our asses kicked on a daily basis some weeks. Oh, dude. And we were white knuckling it, man. I mean, there was, there was moments.

Like at the end of the end of 2024, I was like potentially going back to paychecks to be a leader and then record on the weekends. Right. I alerted our production. I was like, look, guys, like, can we record on the weekends? Because I got to go do this. We'll make it work. Just do what you need to do. And thankfully, you know, a few short months later, you know, our girl Marina came in.

and she's here. Hey, girl. And we have these amazing, amazing partner, you know, partner with her. And then, you know, we've had somebody else come in since then. And we're just now finally at a point where we're understanding what we need to do, understanding how the back end works and how this industry is in general. And I think we got a pretty good beat on it now. But there was moments, man, to your point where I just don't know if I could,

pay this. And I think for the listeners and the people that are watching is like, you don't need to know the answer right away. But what you need to do is you need to not give up. You need to figure out a way that that you can, you know, give something back if it's, you know, starting a new business and becoming an entrepreneur, what's the value you're going to give society? Because if you're at the forefront of it, it'll never fucking happen. And when you're struggling, that is the hardest thing to get out of. I need this. I need that. I need that. I need this or I'm screwed. You're never going to get to where you want to be in that moment.

What you have to find is that zone of genius where you can say, this is what I'm doing, this is how I'm going to impact people, this is the value I'm going to bring society, or the demographic that I need to fulfill my dream, which is in our case the audience, right, and in different brands and everything like that. And then you go execute that without fail. Even though you don't have everything that it may take at the beginning,

as far as resources or even skill. But if you have that burning seated desire in you, that says you got to go do something like you can't ignore it. And you have to make the sacrifices, whether they're financially or time-wise, in order to do and make that happen. I love that. All right.

So we are getting ready to go back to school. But we're not going back to school. I'm not going back to that. Yeah, I ain't doing that shit. We were talking about readiness or not, and we won't go there on air. I want to talk about this because I've seen a few stories recently. And because of your experience who you are, you know, I want to see who answers this.

Which Sean answers this like we were talking about earlier. Interesting. So when I look at these stories, and I'll give you two examples. One is it's a fabricated story. So I'll tell you because I had to like dig deep. But there is a story that was told by Thomas Edison here in Fort Myers. That his teacher when he was in school sent his letter, home to his mom and said he is, I can't remember the word, but basically he is not bright enough

to be in the school. You must homeschool him. Wow. And the mom said, you know, asked Tom Sison said, what is the letter saying? She says, you're too gifted. He can't be taught here. The story is he was essentially kicked out of the school because he was underperforming and his mom homeschooled him. And there was that story of instilling that confidence. And so I look at people who have done incredible things, you know, the top level and whatever you want to talk. So the Thomas Edison's, you look at Gary V. Right? He talks about the incredible amount of confidence that his mother and father instilled in him.

So as you look at going back to school, what type of message would you send not only to kids, but to parents in that light? That's a great question, man. I think what's important for parents first and foremost to understand that education is very important, right? but also the experience that your child has is equally as important, if not greater of importance, meaning let's work on creating those good habits with those children and not putting the pressure of the grade or what college they're going to go to. I mean, there's parents out there that are banging on their 10-year-olds to get great grades so they can go to Harvard.

Like, that is a highly stressful situation. So what the child is hearing, not that my parent wants the best for me. It's if I don't go to Harvard, I'm going to fail my parents. And then there's a big undercurrent fear there. And I just think that, you know, for anybody, you know, a parent or child going back to school, it's like, just be present and do the best you can. Because at the end of the day, that's all that matters. You know, it doesn't matter if you work your ass off and you get a C plus on an exam.

That should not make you upset because you did your best. Now you build on those skills. And now your baseline's a C plus, but maybe in three weeks you take that test, another test again, and you're at a B minus. So now we're moving, right? So it's about progression, I feel, whether it's a school year or even in parenting is like, let's try to get better every second and support the children. And the children support the parents by doing what they're supposed to do by respecting

the school, respecting the teachers, and respecting their time and their studies. I like that. The reason I was asking, so I was trying to see if it was CEO, Sean, dad, Sean. husband John. That's more dad. Coach. I think it's like everything in between, right? I think that that answer there is like all of me.

Correct. And I know I was asking specifically about back to school. And I guess where I looked at that is, you know, and Brena and I were actually talking about this on, you know, back and forth, you know, Instagram videos or whatever. But I'm, I don't want to say it this way because it sounds kind of negative. But there's another way to say it. Like I know that my kids don't listen to a lot of what I say. That's not negative. I think like everything.

Right. Like, I know they listen to me and they'll do what they're told. But as far as like they can't grasp a lot of what I'm saying because they haven't had 43 years on this earth and So for me it's about trying to not teach them and you know bump and and steer and tell them where they're wrong and I'm not saying I do a good job of this but to me I look at the Thomas S and the Gary V and say if I can do something this year It's not about you know making sure that they're on time and all that like obviously that's important but it's how can I instill a crazy amount of confidence in them because they're amazing people And so if I can be the one person that is just, that is my one and only job is just to say,

I see you, I see what you're doing, and I am going to instill so much freaking confidence in you. I like that. The answer to that is praise their hard work. Right. Don't praise their performance. It happens in school and happens in sports.

Everybody's praising performance. No, praise the work. Praise the effort. That right there, I think, is a great learning tool for everybody involved. Thank you. Yeah. I want to talk about some of the segments that we've had because we talked about them last time.

Some of the questions that we ask, you know, off air, you know, kind of getting some of the guests ready, certainly determination is because of the name of the show. What I love about these questions, so the two questions I want to kind of hone in on for a second is, number one, there's two types of people in this world, what are they? And around the newton of the upcoming book. And number two is what is their walk-up song? And so I know we talked about last time, but just for the people that didn't hear it, it was a conversation we were talking about when you were LSU.

when I was at J.U. What was your walk-up song, your hype song? And what I love about this is, A, we've got the playlist and the frequency. So please go subscribe and follow the playlist. Spotify. It's on Spotify. It's updated weekly with the bangers from high performers. Yeah. But I look at this and what I love about it is, and we've talked about this, is how much it tells about these guests. We have these questions, two types of people, their walk-up song. What does determination mean to them? Because the story is amazing, obviously. That's why we're having them on. But you see the person that you're about to interview because of the way that they're answering those questions. And I've been a part

of a few of them, but talk to me a little bit just about the whole project and how it's kind of opening them up a little bit more and gives you some insight into who this cat is sitting next you. It's really cool because those questions are asked pre-interview, right? And I don't put them out there. Yet. But yet. But the cool thing about it is like, to your point, you can see what makes them tick in those early questions. And you can start to, for me, what it does is it gives me a feel for not just who they are, but their speech pattern, how they like to speak. So it gives me the opportunity to, to, I'd not say dictate, but identify how I craft my

conversation with this person. My wheels are always turning behind the scene, right? I'm like, okay, he or she's talking like this. These are the types of words they're using. This is the energy. Or they're more, you know, or they're lower. so I need to make sure that I stay in this until I warm them up a little bit more.

But the cool thing is, what lights people up is they start talking about music. And then what it ties in for me is like, man, we're all the same. We look for inspiration anywhere we can go. We always want that feel. And it just shows that humans are wired for energy

and music gives us that. And that's why we called it the frequency, right? But that specific question kind of. you know, some of the song choices, I'm like, I don't get it. I don't, I don't, I'm like, how does that pump you up? How does that get you going? Yeah, like Val's, Val's is Stevie Wonder as. I'm like, okay, I'll put it on.

That's Val's? Yes, Val, I had a question about that. Yeah, you know, I was in the gym and I didn't know who. And I'm like, where the heck is this? But it's Stevie Wonder, so it's okay. It's cool. It's cool. It's cool.

It's always. It stays. She's a secret weapon, man. She does what she wants. We let her. But the one, like most recently, Shannon Watts, New York Times bestseller, we just interviewed her, I think, this week sometime,

and she wrote a book called Fired Up about how for women to find and ignite their spark no matter what age they are, her song was Come on Eileen. And I'm like, oh my God, that fires me up. I just forgot about the song, love the song, put on the playlist, and I was jamming to it, and I took a picture of it and sent it to her.

And she laughed, you know, so it's cool because you get this, this person like what inspires them what types of music inspire them that tells a lot about them as an individual right that i can actually extract good conversation from the other one of the two types of people you know who are what are they i love that because it gives people you you see a higher perspective of how people see the world at that point right and these are the most common thoughts that they go through every day two types of people you know are you igniter or you're a distinguisher like whatever it is, like, you get to see the two levels of playing field here that they're really

evaluating daily. So it says a lot about them. Like, not in a bad way. No, it, but it just, it gives an inside of like, I know how your brain thinks now. Because it's always snap judgment, right? There's no pre-question like, hey, we're going to ask you this. It's just, what are they? And it's, and so to the point of which character of that person sitting across from you is going to answer. Yeah. Right? We were talking about, like, it's going to be the ad, athlete, the CEO, the dad, the father. Who's going to answer this? So many different roles, man.

And so it just allows you to see like, okay, you see people in these two buckets, not good, bad. It's just how you classify people. And I just, I love that we're doing them and we do need to start putting them out. Yeah. As far as the songs, we do on a regular basis, we're going to keep putting them out. So people can see like, why is this song on the playlist? Now I know Val's Stevie Wonder. There you go.

But like we talked about to know, like, oh, this is Elena's song or Jamie Kennedy or Jeff or whoever. Like it's fun to know that, you know, if you enjoy these people, you can say, hey, this is their banger song. And now you can maybe you can feel like gronk and get in the gym and hype up to his song. It's pretty cool. One other one I want to talk about because we've had, you know, we're leaning a little bit into more of the current events and trying to stay relevant of just what's going on in the world with Camp Mystic. Oh, God. Yeah. And I'm not going to go too far into it. I'm good, man. I think one one thing that I want to hit on is because I know in the episode at the end off camera, you actually got to meet the girls that were there. So just talk to me about,

A, people that don't know what Camp Mystic is quickly about the episode and then getting to meet them. Yeah, so early July 4th, you know, in Houston, I'm not Houston, but sorry, Texas. You know, this church camp, it's been there for over 100 years. It's kind of a ride of passage for these families in this community. just send their children there. It's like something that they look forward to from a little kid. You have to put an application and like, you want your child to go there when she's 10 or he's 10.

Like you got to put the application in when they're like two. That's the demand for it is freaking wild. And so they drop their children off and, you know, it's 4th of July and everybody's, you know, really focused on the festivities of their town, the parades, the food, the fellowship, the community, the fire. fireworks and they started getting reports that there was a massive flood where their children were at.

And so for a small period of time, and thankfully for Amy Key and her husband, there was only like a two-hour period where they really didn't know what was going on with their daughters. They got an email stating, if you're getting this email and you haven't heard from us otherwise, we have located your child and they are safe. And so, you know, that right there, you know, as they're driving there to the reunification point to meet everybody, they were, they had the opportunity to have a sense of peace come over them knowing that they didn't have to drive the full five hours wondering if their daughters were alive or not. This story hits me hard because there's children involved, right? And, you know, there was a lot of flooding going around that area. there was a lot of other people that lost their lives too, but the focus was on Camp Mystic because it was such a big story.

And just to, you know, talk to Amy and for her to communicate to me that their daughters said if we were in that other cabin, we would have drowned. And there was a potential that they would have been another cabin because that was their age group. And if they weren't, they were in the other one and they were spared.

But for a child of like 10 and 8 or however old those girls were, now they know their own mortality. Like, what the fuck, man? Like, that's so sad. So her, their story was happy because they were reunified with, with their children.

And when she brought them in, at the end, we didn't record it. We didn't put it out there. Because I didn't think it was right. Right. Sure. But they brought, it brought the, you know, the two girls in and I just, it was emotional for me, man.

And, you know, I was, you know, puckering up a little bit. I had the lump in my throat, the tears welling up in my eyes. Just see like, those girls are actually my daughter's age. And I started thinking, like, Mia's not a great swimmer.

You know, would Alina have survived? I mean, like, I started thinking, like, if that, my child, like, I don't know what would have happened. And so it really connects, you know, current events or human interest pieces to the fact that, like,

guys, if you look long enough, This is not just so far removed from you. This could happen anywhere. And are your children in a place where they could fight for their lives? Are they strong swimmers? Like all these things I start thinking about is just like, damn, it's super heavy. But to see the girls, man, it was crazy because like, hey, what are you guys doing? Like, nothing.

And Amy's like, well, aren't you telling me you're going to go to cheer? And like, oh, yeah, we're going to go to cheer. but then was like, yeah, you could see like they're not like totally excited, but also they were going to their cheer school where they lost some of their people. It's like this is hitting them. In fact, the two sisters

that they found holding each other was their friends. That to me is something a kid should never have to go through. I mean, and let's be very clear, a parent going through losing their child is the most fucked up thing,

in my opinion, in this world. And for it to happen in an area that you've been, right? And you've gone to that camp yourself. You know the tradition. It's part of the culture. For it to happen there, I mean,

that's just debilitating, man. I know that was a hard one, but to be able to meet them, yeah. All right, well, let's bring it back up then. Hey. Hey, um, hey, all right. So I do want to bring one, one last thing.

Actually, two more things up. Number one, I got to talk about Happy Gilmore, too. We watched it last night. What is everybody talking about? We got some work done. Yeah. And then we decide to watch this because we hadn't seen it. You, me, Jackie.

Yeah. And I've seen reports that it's not as funny as the first one. But I've also seen the article as well. If you don't think it's this funny, maybe you just got old and grumpy. That's got to be it. That's got to be it. Well, I think it's also expectations too, right? You got to understand Adam Sandler's like what?

How many years older? Was it 29? 30 years, right? 30 years, right? Or something crazy like that. I don't know. It could be off. Don't judge me on my math guys.

Fact check that one, guys. But I thought the movie was so funny and so genius. The amount of tie-ins with all the cameos, even Rob Schneider came in and dropped another line from Waterboy that wasn't even involved in Happy Gilmore. If you don't see the fucking genius in that, like, you're not paying attention. The other thing that I thought was really great that you and I were talking about was the marketing campaign. campaigns within that thing, like Dunkin' Donut. Like he was funneling. Beer, coffee bonging, I guess.

Yeah, coffee bonging. But at the same time, the thing that I really enjoyed about that movie was obviously because it's nostalgic, right, to see another happy Gilmore and to see him fight through adversity. And I think that's what people really love to see is fighting through adversity. He was fighting through alcoholism. How many people, you know, in this age group are fighting through alcoholism. and just to, you know, seat on a movie of the struggle, the progression, the backslide,

and the, oh, finally overcoming it and winning. I just thought was pretty damn genius in my book. It was, we talked about, I know Jackie was saying, so hard to do, you know, sequel after this long and all that, but I think they did a fantastic job. They killed it. I don't know what people are talking about. We just had to give it five stars from us, too, you know, like, go watch the movie. I tell you what I didn't like.

I thought it was so fucked up. In the opening scene, they killed his wife? I did not explain. By his own golf ball. By the way, spoiler alert, if you've not seen it, don't know. Whatever. If you haven't seen it yet, shame on you. Yeah, we're a few weeks in there.

Come on. Figure your life out. I had to talk about it because it was just part of the trip today. All right, this time. All right. Coming up, where are some things that we've recorded? I know we've talked about one, but anything that you want to let people know, you got to reward them for watching the polls, right?

So what have we recorded that either that we've recorded that's coming up or stuff that we have. I'm not going to go out to November. We're saving that one. So, no, we, like I said, you know, Earl Charles Spencer was a pretty cool episode. Floyd, Floyd Ragland's dropping by the time this is out. So that'll already be out. But we've had some really cool authors this week that we've spoken to.

Andrea Barts, who wrote The Last Fairy Out, psychological thriller on an island, investigative. Like, it's really freaking cool. And she was just an amazing, amazing interview, good human being. Like absolutely enjoyed my time with her. Another one is Shannon Watts with fired up. I briefly spoke about it. Like it's a really good book. She's a really great person.

She's an activist and she's built, you know, such an amazing platform for herself and for mothers. And I just really enjoyed her. You know, what else? We've got some more authors coming. We've got my boy, Mick Hunt, coming on next week. That's going to be a lot of fun. fun and we're building out like you said,

I don't want to give up too much, but we're building out another California trip as we speak for September. It's like, dude, there's just so much fun shit going on. It's great. We've got a lot going on. Yeah, we sure do. Well, that's all I got for us, man. This has been a good one. No AMAs? No AMAs? Nothing? There were some weird

ones. I'll give you one. Okay. You want to end before, as you say, we land the plane. That is whatever, man. So actually it's a good one from Andrew. Okay. So, you know, talking about burnout. Okay, and it's the way, all right, let me rephrase this because he did ask about burnout. But everyone that I'm close with is dealing with something huge right now.

Like huge and it could be good stuff, bad stuff, but I just feel like everyone I know is struggling in some way, either struggling to get to the finish line on a project or really struggling in their personal life with some big stuff. So as you think through everyone that we've talked to recently, all the interviews, all the stuff that's going on in your personal life right now, like what can you, what can you say that someone that's really struggling with burnout specifically? Mm-hmm. And dealing with just kind of a barrage of, yeah, of shit.

Burnout's real, right? And I think it's when you try to do too much, too fast, and think you can do it for an extended period of time. Finding things that are sustainable is super important, man. Like, in doing what feels good in that moment, I'm not talking about it feels good to go to a bar and drink a 12, you know, 12 beers from the tap. Like, that felt good. Well, that's not going to get you any closer to not being burned out.

In fact, it's going to extrapolate that feeling even more the next day. You're going to wake up feeling even more burned out, even more stressed and anxious because you had all that alcohol. But really where I'm going with this is, man, is doing what feels good. Like, if you're stuck at work, let's just say, And you hate your job, you hate your boss, you hate your coworkers. Everything about it is so screwed up. You just want to get out of that situation. Then take care of what's in front of you.

Do one small task that feels good. And then take a break and then build on that. And then soon what people will realize is whether it's in fitness, mental health, or, you know, entrepreneurship or even working in a, you know, Fortune 500 company, because you will start to gain some momentum and you have some real results. And that burnout tends to start to fade away because you realize that you don't have to conquer everything that moment. You can do it in stages.

I think people try to get everything done at one time and it's just, it's not sustainable. So you're about to make a trade based on a friend's text. But which you do you listen to? Is it, we could buy a house in Tulum? get optioning those options. We could lose everything. Or let's do a little research. Get your head in the trade and make the investment decision that's right for you.

Learn more at finra.org slash trade smart. I would agree. And I think one thing I want to really hone in on there is if it makes you feel good, there is a big difference between instant gratification and something that's going to make you feel good. absolutely. Right. Yeah. Hammering 12 beers in the moment,

out with your boys, whatever, mm-hmm. Feels good. Yeah. But wait, no. It's instant gratification.

There it is. Instagramification. I lost, see, it's okay. I'm tracking you, baby. I was ready like five minutes.

I smell, I mean, we got time, I'll just keep it cracking. It's instant gratification, but it's not going to make you feel good. So when you think about the things that you're doing on a daily basis, and we've talked about this before,

of the things that you know you should stop doing. Right. When you look at all the things, really you know what you should be doing. what you shouldn't be doing. And there are some things like eating a pound out, you know, a carton of ice cream at night, Instagramification,

and you may say, well, this makes me feel good and it's comfort, and this is how I unwind. But if you're trying to lose weight and not be inflamed and not be inflamed, feel good tomorrow, then that's not actually making you feel good. So I think there's a big distinction there

of something that's going to make you feel good could be washing your car because it's been dirty for a week. Yeah. Or cleaning the inside out. So your environment's clean, right? You don't want a cluttered environment because it clutters your environment and your dome, right, in between your ears.

So it's just doing the things that are going to help you, right, and do them small and celebrate that. Be proud of yourself and do it over and over again. And eventually you'll realize that you don't have to do everything at one time. Patrick, Patrick Young and I talked about this, and he was my first episode of two types of people. And he was telling me this story. So I don't know if you got there or not. But when he was at University of Florida, they were number one team in the nation. and they went to the final four and ended up losing.

But when they were the number one team of the nation, he was talking, he was telling me this story about this shell drill that they did. So it's just routine, you know, basics for those who don't know what a shell drill is. He said at some point in the season, they're like, dude, we're number one in the nation. We've been running this stinking thing for months and months and months,

like enough. And the coaches kept hammering. It's about the little things. It's about repetition. He said in the SEC championship, they were, you know, it was basically a tie game or they were up by one against Kentucky. Kentucky ran the same set that Florida had been practicing against the entire year in that shell drill.

And so he talked about the little things that you have to do. And so what he and I talked about was the little things like, you know, they sound fluffy and just like they're not going to work, right? Like, oh, journaling, gratitude, you know, prayer, whatever your thing is. But it's those little things that when you do them going to the gym on a regular basis, it's really doing those things that in the end will. make you feel good, but they may not feel good right away. Right? Like getting back into it, going in the gym, it's hard. Sucks.

Doing some of the stuff that we have to do on a regular basis. It sucks. But when it goes well, it feels good. Well, that's the thing about preparation, right? That's really what it's about is being prepared. And so when you prepare, then those moments that you don't think that you're ever going to see that you get lucky and they're there and that you win the ball game, right? Or win the competition or the game of life or whatever.

it is for you, right? I just think that not judging the moment. And trust, if you're on a team, whether it's on the court, on a field, corporate, you know, podcast, you have to trust. There's a moment where, okay, this may not be my way and I don't know why we're doing this. I didn't know why we were doing the pulse. I didn't know why we were doing the frequency. I'm like, what the fuck? Like another thing. But, like, like, another thing. But, like, Like now I trusted it. Now it makes sense. And we've gotten great feedback from it because it gives people a peak of something different in the show and me and the whole brand, so to speak.

Right. So it's about trusting. And you don't need to know when that moment's going to come. Like, why are we practicing this? It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter. Because eventually you practice it enough. You summon that shit at some point in your life.

And down the road, that's your moment. if you didn't do the work here, you're not going to excel and win here. So do the work, excel here. People always talk about the price of admission, right? You got to get a sea of the table. And that right there is the part that's missing because it takes a lot to get to the table, like to get your proverbial seat and all that. But once you get there, you still have to perform. If you haven't done those basics, if you haven't done the little things, and it could be a gratitude list, it could be doing, you know, choosing X over Y, whatever that is. But I think it's the detainable. termination because it ain't motivation.

No, dude, I'm motivated very little, man. It's the initial spark. It has to be there. It usually is. I was motivated to start the show. But I'm motivated every single day that I'm executing conversations and recordings and the back-in stuff, the Tuesday morning meetings, the, you know, the collaborations that I have every single day on the phone.

I'm always motivated to do it, but I know where it's going to take me. And so that discipline kicks into a point where, like, this is part of it. This is the price of admission. This is what I asked for. And too many people out there that are watching and listening, like, they're thinking, like, oh, gosh, I asked for this. And I'm complaining about it. No, I accept that shit because it's a gift. I mean, that's my definition determination is remembering why you started in the first place.

Yes. Yeah. Right? Because there are seasons. not just days moments. I mean, there are seasons where it is just not, it doesn't feel good. Like, I'm not telling other people.

Like, it just doesn't feel good to keep doing some of these things. But it's not necessarily, again, what makes me feel good, what makes me feel good is not going to the gym sometimes and sitting around and doing jack shit. Yeah. But going in the end makes me feel good.

Because we're put here to work, man. Like, if you skimp out on work and then you look yourself in the eye every night when you brush your teeth. What are you staring at? What do you stand for? But if you do all the shit, good bad or indifferent,

you do it with a positive mind and with intention, you're going to sleep a lot better at night, man. And that's the thing that I've learned. There you go. That was the only AMA I wanted to bring to you. That's a good one. That was a good one.

Kind of interesting to the other ones though. Like, I'm not going to lie. We're going to keep doing it. So next month we'll get out. We just did one quick post on this one just because we were running a little short on time. But yeah, we'll figure out a way. So for the next one, we'll make sure that people that have been listening, fans of the show can, can ask Sean or me anything they want. And

we'll either directly just Q&A it or heck, we may go down a tangent. Y'all didn't want us to go down. But we'll save that for next time. So man, it'll be good to be back in Fort Myers. That was awesome. So the audience listening, thank you so much. Share the Pulse episode with someone you know, love and trust. You know, hey, just keep falling along. We're going to give a lot of peaks behind the curtain here. And as always, until next time, stay determined. Rinse takes your laundry and hand delivers it to your door, expertly cleaned and folded. So you could take the time once spent folding and sorting and waiting to finally pursue a whole new version of you. Like tea time you. Or this tea time you. Or even this tea time you.

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