Determined Society with Shawn French | Adversity & Mindset - Unlock Your Full Potential: The Power of Holistic Pain Management - Jason Wyns and Angie McGilvrey

Episode Date: November 13, 2023

Are you tired of living with chronic pain and seeking a holistic approach to wellness? Have you ever heard these myths: 1) Pain is just a normal part of aging, 2) Holistic approaches are slow and ineffective, and 3) Pain management is only about masking symptoms? In this episode, we have invited Jason Wyns and Angie McGilvrey to debunk these myths and share the truth about how a holistic approach can improve your overall well-being. Stay tuned! My special guests are Jason Wyns and Angie McGilvrey   On today's episode of The Determined Society podcast, host Shawn French is joined by wellness experts Jason Wyns and Angie McGilvrey. Jason is the owner of Live Resilient Southwest Florida, a business that offers various recovery services such as cold plunges, infrared saunas, and massages. Angie is a physical therapist at Apex Physical Therapy, known for their exceptional care and playful approach to rehabilitation. Both guests bring a wealth of knowledge and experience to the conversation, providing insights into holistic pain management and overall wellness. With their expertise and passion for helping others, Jason and Angie are sure to inspire and educate listeners on the importance of taking a holistic approach to pain and wellness. Tune in to this episode to learn from these incredible guests and discover new ways to improve your overall well-being. Stepping away and taking a break doesn't mean you're giving up. It means you're prioritizing what truly matters, and when you come back, you'll come back stronger and better than ever. - Angie McGilvrey In this episode, you will be able to: Discover the transformative power of holistic pain management for improved overall well-being. Unlock the secrets to creating a positive customer experience that will have your business thriving. Learn how to recruit the right people who align with your company culture for long-term success. Explore the importance of a purpose-driven vision in achieving business success. Gain insights into the significant role that culture plays in establishing a successful business. Creating an Exceptional Customer Experience To provide a memorable experience for customers, it is essential to prioritize self-care. This premise is often illustrated by individual testimonials, such as taking intentional breaks from professional responsibilities to recharge and redefine one's perspective. When individuals choose to focus on self-improvement, they tend to bring better-quality offerings to their enterprises, subsequently creating a customer experience that is marked by renewed energy and passion. Recruiting the Right People for Strong Team Culture Aiming for a successful team culture requires being mindful about recruiting people who resonate with the holistic objective of the business. A business should serve as a platform for employees to grow and improve, addressing multifactorial components of their well-being such as nutrition, sleep, and recovery. Ultimately, the resilience of individuals within the team will define the strength of the business culture, making it essential to enlist individuals dedicated to personal growth and holistic wellness.   Connect with mt guests: Instagram-  Apex- https://www.instagram.com/apexphysicaltherapyswfl/ Live Resilient- https://www.instagram.com/live.resilient.swfl/ Buy my book on High Performance Habits- https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0CMS1BQF2/ref=mp_s_a_1_1?crid=25SJOFEYC9ZQI&keywords=unstoppable+shawn+french&qid=1699367488&sprefix=unstoppable+shawn+frnech%2Caps%2C192&sr=8-1   Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

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You know, I talk a lot about athletes and their development and I get really passionate and pissed off when kids are being overworked, burnt out, and having Tommy John surgery at 11 years old and, you know, all these types of injuries with their knees, ankles, you name it. Well, today I have with me some wellness experts, some recovery experts right here in Southwest Florida. And I'm super jacked to have them on. You may have been seeing me. with needles in my arm. Well, that was Apex Physical Therapy. So I have Angie McGilvery.

And then right next door, an amazing, amazing business called Live Resilient, Southwest Florida, cold plunge, infrared saunas, massage, all the things that you can think of. And quite frankly, guys, I think after the show, Jason Wins is going to get me into that cold plunge that I'm absolutely scared of. I'm always talking about growth mindset, but I'm scared of cold water. So again, with me today, I have Angie. with Apex Physical Therapy and Jason Wins from Live Resilient Southwest Forest. So we have a badass show today.

Welcome, y'all. Hey, happy to be here. Good morning. Good morning. What's up, guys? I love the background. It's a really cool. I mean, dude, you got that chip lap and it says, live resilient.

I just love what that specific name, you know, what it means, live resiliently, right? So thank you guys for popping on so quickly. We didn't have much time to flip this schedule around. But you guys really bailed me out in a jam. I had a scheduling change. And it's very odd for me not to have like four or five in the bank. And you guys stepped up. So I just want to thank you guys so much.

Our pleasure. You know, we were just talking about that as well. It's like, all right, what's more resilient than just going, you know, less than 24-hour notice? And let's just see what happens. I agree with you. And it's so cool because, you know, I actually, you know, like I said in the intro, I haven't had experience with your side of the business yet, but I have had experience with Angie's side of the business right there over at Apex.

And I mean, I tell you what, you guys do great work over there. You have some amazing people, Danica and Ben. Like I just, when I walk in there and it's just like, dude, I feel like I'm like Norm at Cheers. It's really cool. That's awesome. Thank you so much, Sean. Yeah, no, it's, you know, it's, it's one thing to say about culture, right? So when you guys are building businesses and, you know, things like that, like you guys,

you and your husband, Joe, started Apex in Chicago back in 2005. And Jason, you're a couple years in over here at Live Resilient, right? If my memory serves me correctly. Yeah, just like probably almost a year and a half. Right, right. So, you know, I want you guys to, you know, to warm the show up and kind of talk about culture. Because I think culture is important when you're building business. and you're building, you know, sports teams, you know, I would imagine that you guys are so connected that you have the same culture over at Live Resilient that they do at Apex.

But I got to tell you guys, it's you're not, when people walk in there, they're not feeling like they're there, you know, like, oh, man, I got to do this damn rehab. I got to do this treatment. They're there. And people are friendly. And it's almost like, I kind of want to go hang out there, right? I mean, so walk me through that, guys. Like, that's a tough culture to build. Yeah, there's a lot to unpack in that, Sean, for sure.

And I greatly appreciate you bringing that up because it's been something that probably around 2019 is when I really started digging deep on how do I create the best culture I possibly can. It was really when that became very apparent that that was a huge necessary ingredient for Apex's success. And one of the biggest things is purpose. really making sure that you are leading with, you know, through your, well, first defining it, right? And then leading with and acting upon and just showing the behaviors and everything driven around what that purpose is. And interestingly enough, it was Jason who actually inspired the purpose to be written. You know, it's something that's in your gut, right? It's something that, like, intrinsically you know, but because it's such an emotional topic,

Like how do you just put words behind it? And one day Jay and I were at apex and he was training someone. And something great happened. And we were celebrating that clients win. And Jay just casually said to me, changing lives. And that was just like that moment where I was like, that's exactly right. That's exactly what we do here. And so we've really built our culture around that purpose.

And I think that's really just been like the most, you know, basic ingredient. That's, dude. I love that. Jason, what are your thoughts on that? I think you could say that Live Resilient was birthed out of the same place. And I've had this thought, you know, pretty recently. It's like when people probably do it as well? It's like, when should I start a business? And I think the answer is when the alternative is more.

costly than not starting the business. And I think that because we have that vision of like what we're doing has a great purpose, that we can go forward and we can do the sacrifices that come with it and we can encourage others. We can build up the team and create that culture because we understand that we have a vision moving forward that's purposeful. I love it. I love it. So I'm going to tell you from a consumer standpoint, I've already given you guys major kudos on the culture there. But I want to dive in a little deeper on it because it starts at the front, right?

I call it the manager of first impressions or the director of first impressions, that person that when you walk into any business, especially, you know, kind of a physical therapy facility, you're worried. You know, you're worried that they're going to sit there and say, all right, dude, can't help you go get shoulder surgery for the second time. You know, and at 45, that's not something I'm really wanting to freaking do, right? Because it's going to set me back more, okay? But everybody in there is having fun doing their job, right? They don't look at it as, and you can tell. Like, I work with, I work with Ben, right?

And Danica would just throw knives in my shoulders. And, you know, the thing that I love about it is just everybody's playful. And when you're there doing it, it's like, that's the last place, you know, conceptually, somebody wants to be is sitting in a chair in a, in a, in a freaking tank top that doesn't fit. Okay, by the way, can you get bigger freaking tank tops? For Christ's sakes. And then, and then like, but it being so playful. to a point where I'm sitting there having casual conversation with Ben and he's just cranking up the

electricity and I'm jumping and he thinks it's funny. He thinks it's funny, but he's doing it out of love. He's doing it because he knows if I'm getting comfortable with that threshold, then he needs to push it, right? So, but again, I go on tangents. My apologies. But the overall tone is people are there and it's like they're not working. they are playing like it is the most positive environment i've been in in a very long time guys that uh you're filling my cup it's overflowing sean like are you crying do you guys like my winnie the poo cut or i think it's no it's a dog but it looks like it should be winnie the pooh reason i know it's cool i'm manly go ahead sorry um You know, I, 100%, like, part of it also comes from a recruiting standpoint as well.

I'm only looking for those that are A plus players and are looking for more than just, again, more than just a place to come do their work. I'm looking for, you know, those who are 100% dedicated to changing lives and to sharpening their craft and to just being the best possible A plus high performance overachieving individual. And, you know, part of that is innate in a lot of us, right? Part of it, obviously, we can teach and we can, you know, we can teach and we can grow those folks as well. But part of it they have to have a little bit in them. So when we go through our recruiting and onboarding process, I don't necessarily look for somebody whose resume shows that they have.

have the best PT skill set or who, you know, I don't necessarily care about the letters behind the name and what they look like on paper. I want to know what their core values are. I want to know what their soft skills are like. I want to know. So we bringing people on board who have, you know, growth mindset is one about core values. It's on the wall, you know, at apex. We've talked about that word a lot this morning. And so we talk to, you know, we ask those people about, you know, what does it? Tell us about a challenge you've recently overcome and how did that make you feel and what did you do about it. And, you know, those are the sort of questions that that we really dig in. Tell me about a time that you served somebody else before you, when you were

altruistic. Let's talk about that. And so building a foundation of folks who we have that common value set, it makes it just, you know, A players want to be around A players. And then you just have fun all day. No, that's the truth. You know, I can definitely tell you that you guys have done a great job there. You know, Jason, I've seen you roaming around there, too. Everybody's always smiling. I got to tell you, you got to work on your dance moves, though, man.

You know, like that dude, I don't know what you were trying to do, like a CWalk or what the hell that was. But, you know, I know some dancers. We can get them in there to do some choreography for you. Which we've done. We've danced with dancers before. We need to step through that. We need to step it up and get on that. I'm just messing with you, man.

The figure skater in there, and she was trying to show me how to do like a double axle. I could create it, but I always try. Absolutely, man. And that's the thing, dude. That's the growth mindset, right? It all ties back to growth mindset. And like you said, Angie, all over the walls is 1% better, 1% better. If we can just be 1% better every single day, it seems it's simple.

It's simple, but it's not easy, right? There's a lot of work that goes into becoming 1% better every day. So, Jason, when you think about 1% better, what is it for you on a daily basis that you need to execute in order to become 1% better to be the ultimate version of who you want to be? That's probably like, Andy says, a lot to unpack there. but I think going back to like the previous discussion, the PT world, the strength and conditioning world, the recovery world, what so many people probably miss is that the simple fact is that we're in the business of dealing with people. And so to be people-oriented, I think, is kind of what you get that feel from when you step into apex.

And although we continue to search for knowledge, ways to improve, and the actual background of what we're dealing with, at the end of the day, we're working with how do we help other people improve their life? And I think for me, being able to provide that for someone, continues to make me want to be better. And so I think it all kind of ties in with the purpose as well. It's like the option, the alternative of not being my best self

is not being able to provide other people that chance for themselves. We talk about this idea with Louis-Rozilion as well as like you have to fill up your own cup before you're able to effectively pour into others. and I think we both get really filled up when we hear the impact that we have through other people's lives. And, you know, like you said, like I was able to work out. I was able to do these things that I wasn't able to do.

And that continually fills up our cup, just hearing those things and knowing that what we're doing is making a difference. So, like, for me, it's simple. it's keeping my ear open, paying attention to the things that people are telling me, listening effectively, and doing my best to stay, keep that at the forefront of my mind. Like, this is what we have for. You know, it's funny, most successful people, right, have this ideology, and it's deeply ingrained in them. It's a real thing.

It's authentic. Being outwardly focused. It's never about that. It's never about the finger pointing back, right? It's always about how can I be better so that I can give more? And what I've noticed in my journey in podcasting and building my business with my athletes is when I'm starting to struggle for my words and help them and, you know, I'll get lower energy. I'm a human being. I'm not, you know, I'm not safe from all those things.

I have my kryptonite as well, right? But the one thing that I notice is when I'm working on myself constantly being very intentional about everything in my day, man, when I talk to my athletes, I just light up, right? When I'm on the mic, I light up. It's a lot of fun. So it's about other people. And sometimes, and I want the audience to really close their eyes and listen to this. Like seriously, close your eyes. It is the fact that you have to be selfish.

This word selfish has such a negative connotation to it. break it down self-ish okay it doesn't mean you're a jerk or an a-hole what it means is you know you have to dive into yourself guys if you want the best for your children you want the best for your employees you want the best for the people that you work with on a day-to-day basis and with your business then you have to be the best version of yourself because everybody involved with you deserves that and if you don't give them that you are being entitled in my opinion. Like to me, that's the form of selfish that has the negative connotation to it. Someone who's unwilling to do the work so they can pour into other people, right? And when you do

that work on yourself, it's amazing how you don't get tired. You don't get tired of giving, right? Yes, I love that you brought that up, Sean, because just this last weekend, it's hard. Like, we're human like everybody else, too. It's hard for me to. It's hard for me take time away from Apex and fill my own cup. Like, it's something that I, you know, struggle and, again, try to be 1% better every day. At it in this past weekend, Joe and I went up to Texas for a conference, and there was a lot that went around like, oh, my gosh, and we go, but we got this going on and that, da, da, da, and on. And then I was like, but you know what? Like, we have not gotten away, like literally stepped away since the hurricane and bent.

space. We have to go for our team because we need to fill ourselves up to be better leaders. And we came back and I got to tell you, like, I'm just like exploding with how we're going to grow, how we're going to expand, how we're going to help more people, who are going to collaborate with. Like, I just came back on fire ready to go and spending like that last day there, that Sunday just sitting he took a five-mile walk in Austin, Texas, and I mean, it was just, it was gorgeous and just taking all of that in.

It's like, yes, that's what we need to. There's no place else I need to be than right here, because this is what is what is going to, you know, get us even further, change more lives. Like, it was, it was great. And I appreciate you bringing that up because, you know, that was on a little bit of a bigger scale.

But with live resilient, we see that in our, like, you know, everyday, folks who it's like, I don't have time to come in and float in a salt float for an hour. I don't have time to, you know, oh, I feel selfish. I feel guilty about that. And we see our folks struggle with that sometimes. It's a great point, right? And I think that we all at some point or another struggle with stepping back so we can move forward.

And this is a good, you brought up a, that triggered something to me in a positive way. So there was a four-month time span right around February. I think it might have been, I don't even really know what it was because it seems like eons ago. But I took about a four-month break from recording. The whole business, you know, part of, you know, the podcasting, the whole, you know, social media thing, feeling like I was less. And I started doing a lot of comparisons. And I robbed myself with the joy of what I was doing to a point where I would say,

still love to record, but like I didn't want to do show notes. I didn't want to cut up the reels. Like it was just too cumbersome for me at that point because like mentally I was just beat, right? And I'm like, okay, well, this is causing some arguments within my household with my wife and because I'm just just always upset and always sad. And so I decided one week, I was like, yeah, I'm not going to do a show. Then it turned into another week and another week and in another week and another week. And quite literally, it was, I think, three and a half, four months

that I did not record a show. And for me, it was done. It was done. Like, I didn't care anymore. And for me, I just wanted to pour into my family. I wanted to be there. And I was like, I'm not going to start back until I feel I have a good, like, grasp on what success means

in this space for me, right? And I had this author and, And resilience coach reach out to me. Taryn Marie Stuyiskel, big, big figure in the business that we all do. And she asked me for help. She wanted to do an Instagram live to help promote her book. And without hesitation, I'm like, yeah, well, how about you just hop on my podcast. I'm like, oh, shit.

No, no, please say no, please say no. Because I didn't know if I wanted to do it yet. But I respected the fact that she was so much bigger, you know, in her journey and reach out to me for help. So that kind of triggered one thing in my mind. Like, okay, I'm doing nothing right now. This is the definition of selfish. You're scum. Like, let's go. Let's get back at it. And we did the show, and then I've grown so much since then. And the show's gotten better. And I stopped looking to the right and to the left of me and just started pouring into what I'm doing here. And I feel better about it. But to your point, I was thinking I can't walk away from this.

I've got too much going on. People are depending on me. And, you know, because I would get a message on Instagram every single week. Hey, when you're coming back? When you come back, I go, when I come back, stop asking. Like, literally, I was starting to get mad. I'm like, stop asking. It's not about you.

Like, when I come back, though, I'm coming back. Like, it's going to be full on, right? Get ready. Put your seatbelt on. And it's been like that. So, you know, sometimes you're in a place where you think you can't step away, but you need to. So that's awesome. That's awesome. So let's chat here about what we really do, right? So wellness from a

resilience perspective, right? Resilience from all angles of wellness. It's so important. When people's bodies hurt, it can affect their livelihood, right? It affects how they, how they act. For me, the injury has put, I'm probably 15 pounds extra right now, right? The injury slows me down because it puts me in a mindset if I can't lift and oh well then those Reese's are up there like like you know it's all connected right so let's dive into what you guys feel like you know Jason when you when you messaged me about coming on to the show you know let's talk about that actual idea that that how we build resilience through wellness sure I guess this will touch on a little bit of like the early process of a resilient out of

apex because I was working over there. I still do as a conditioning coach training a lot of the athletes. But what age you and I saw is there's so many more holes to plug for our athletes for our everyday people that are coming in because pain is multifactorial. It's coming from all different angles. So it is like your mood, right? So how can we attack this from a nutrition? angle. What are some recovery

strategies? How do we help people sleep better? Like from a more holistic standpoint, we realize how intertwining these things are. And that's kind of where the result was birthed out of apex of that. If we're going to, if I have

the goal of helping people to live better lives and not just get out of pain, there's a lot of things to attack. I have a host to plug. I have a holes to plug. what Jay likes to say.

Yeah. And the broader scope is to plug as many of those holes as we can. And by doing so and being able to offer whatever that person might need or be able to listen to them as they're talking, they're going to be better for it. Just Jay, you said listen to them as they're talking. I think that's where the process starts, Sean, is it's all about each individual that comes in.

It's what is their journey with us? As we're saying, like, it's not shoulder pain. I don't really care about your shoulder pain. I care about the fact that when we first met you, it was, damn, I can't lift my kid. Like, what's happening here with my shoulder? That was the piece that was like, that is what we do. Like, no, no, I don't care about Sean's shoulder pain.

We need to get Sean. so he can he can lift his kid like he he wants to dress his kid it was dressing like I can't get my kid dress my shoulder hurts well then how does that make you feel as a father right how does it make you feel as a husband how does it make you feel now you can't go to the gym okay now you're eating wreathies okay now like going on that whole journey um oh and now I'm probably not sleeping as well because I've got these like I've got this sugar in my body now I'm becoming a little bit more toxic because I'm eating the wrong things. And now, you know, it's this whole cascade.

And it's about finding those little pieces. And as Jay said, just listening, just really listening to everything that that person says when they come in and providing some type of strategy to really holistically, you know, move along that spectrum of living better. So funny, because when you talked about listening, Jason, when you said that, like, I don't know if you saw my facial expression. But I lit up. And then Angie starts talking about it because the one thing I can, amongst all the other amazing things I said about y'all's businesses, like, I mean it, right?

I mean, or else I wouldn't say it. You guys wouldn't be here. Big believer in what you guys do. And it's needed. It's needed it in my life and it's needed in these athletes' lives. And just, you know, Joe Schmoe walking around that, you know, might be 60 and just wants to be able to walk up and down their stairs. I felt listened to. When I walked in there, it wasn't like, you know, well, this is what we're going to do.

You know, Ben listened to me. Ben's getting a lot of airtime. Good Lord. I feel like he should be in the middle of you guys. But like he's so amazing. God, I love that kid. He's just, he's insanely amazing. But so I, you know, I was talking to him and it was just, you could, I could tell he was listening.

I'm like, you good? He goes, I'm just listening. And I sat there and I'm just. like, huh? Like, this kid is so young. And because, sorry, Ben, your kid still, he was actively listening. There's not very many people to actively listen anymore. They're listening just so they could respond, right? So they're not even really hearing what I'm saying. It was almost like he was stoic, just looking at me. I'm like, what's going on with this kid, right? And he goes, okay, so what I'm hearing is this. This is what's bothering you. So this is what I think we're

going to do, but, you know, I want to get Danica over here. We're going to look at you. I'm thinking maybe some microneedling, but I don't know yet. And I can tell you, like, whenever I'm there, because I just feel like everybody is just tuned in. Like, everybody's collaborating to help the people there, like the clients, the customers, right? The athletes. And to a point where I'm sitting there and I've got the stem on me with the microneedling, and I think it might have been that or something different. But I got, then I'm like, hey, you know, Ben, like my outside of my. elbows like hurt really bad like I don't know what's going on like it like when I grip something

it like hurts on the outside he goes it's tennis elbows like dude I don't play tennis why is it you know inflamed on both sides and you know then he's like well hold on a second dude while we're doing this we might as well do some cupping let's bring some blood to that area and I'm like dude what a service man like it just I just really feel a long story long is just you guys are spot on with the listening to what your people are saying because it's it's it's truly exercised. Thank you. We appreciate that you say collaboration there.

And, you know, that's another word that's on our wall. That's another core value that we hold. So thank you for bringing that up. Appreciate it. Hell yeah. I mean, it's part of your business plan. It's part of my business plan, too. So the only way to really go far is to collaborate, right?

And spoil alert audience. We were talking before the show. We're going to do a follow-up call. And we're going to find cool ways to partner and blow y'all's minds to give you the most value you could possibly, you know, get on social media. And like, like, wow, I want to be hurt. I want to go there. But, you know, it's funny because what I told them, I told Danica and Ben, like, I can't

reach back. Like right now, this hurts. It's starting to hurt again. That's the labrum, right? So we have a sneaky suspicion that if I were to get an MRI, there would be a tear in my labrum, right? But that would be the third tear, right? Because they confirmed three, they confirmed two.

Yeah. that subcap. Yeah. So that sub-scap there? Is that what that is? Okay. Well, thank God. Hopefully it's not a laborer.

Yeah. Reach back seat can be sub-scap a lot of times too. Okay. Yeah. So when I, to do my daughter's car seat so they can get out in the car line, that's a thousand miles long every freaking day. But,

you know, I hate it. I hate it. It's just amazing. It's not even easy to get your kid to score, pick them up. But for me now, I can do those things.

And so anyway, you know, it's less pain. But speaking of pain, what are you guys seeing as far as young athletes, especially baseball players, throwing athletes with their injuries early on? And where do you think it stems from and how can we fix it as an athletic society? Yeah. So typically I'm on the physical therapy side,

I'm like the first stopping point from the pain standpoint, right? So typically they're coming to me. hopefully first as a first primary care entry point for something musculoskeletal, right? I'm usually seeing an elbow or a shoulder, right? Those are my baseball, my baseball kids, guys, gals. And because baseball, as softball is considered a non-contact sport, right? A lot of times these injuries are repetitive overuse sort of situations, right? So it's usually something that has just over time, over time, over time has been building up until finally pain has spoiled out into that elbow or shoulder. So we look back at what can we do now first to stop

the process, but then what can we do proactively and preventatively to keep moving forwards and prevent as much of this from occurring? So that's where we come in from a pain standpoint. And most commonly we're seeing elbow ligament, elbow tendon issues, rotator cuff issues. And typically, the biggest thing is that they're not, they haven't built up an athletic foundation to support the repeated movement patterns that they're doing. So coaches are amazing at teaching them to throw and pitch and hit and do all of those things. but then this is where we kind of piggyback on what Jason is so great at from a strength and conditioning standpoint is also if you're going to be playing, not only do you need to get really good at your sport, but you need to get really good at building that athletic foundation underneath to support those repeated activities. And, you know, that's where as myself and Ben and Danica and my team get them out of pain and really hone in on some of those movement and balance.

which, spoiler alert, almost always come from the shoulder blade back here. That's typically upstream where we find a lot of the dysfunction. Then we turn them over to Jason and our strength and conditioning team where they build that athlete foundation underneath. It's incredible. It's incredible. These two things work hand in hand. This again, this is the collaboration we're talking about, right?

And why not have it in-house? Because if you don't, then they go somewhere else that may not understand. what you're doing as a treatment plan and these athletes can get hurt even more. You know, the one thing that I heard is overuse. I got to tell you, it's, you know, it's going crazy in soccer and basketball and more so travel baseball. You know, I see eight-year-olds playing 80 games seasons. Like, dude, like my kid's nine and, I don't know, I'm sorry, shoot, he just turned 10

in Halloween. But I don't even have them in travel ball yet. I haven't played little league. And, you know, I let him play fall ball ball this year. under the condition that he was also going to play soccer because I don't want him being a one a one dimensional dude I want him to be able to do multiple things with my daughters you know

they do gym they do gymnastics they do ice skating I want them to experience the full flavor of sports and my youngest is I'm going to tell you right now she's going to be a dope soccer player she's yeah dude she's she can she's very coordinated with a ball And, you know, so it's just one of those things where Lance Berkman, former Major League Baseball player, he's the first baseman, left-handed, amazing, spoke on this, and I actually put it on my,

I reposted the video, and Gary of credit, the credit was due for the original poster. But it talked about when he was little, right? They paid 20 games in Little League, and then they would play 10 games for All-Stars, and that was it. They need to go play football, go play other sports. Like, how was early specialization? impacted injury so much? Well, I think what you have, you're saying,

like, hey, I want to get my child in multiple different sports is you're exposing them to a more variety of movement. You're putting more stress in different parts of the body. And that's kind of what I try to do as from the strength and conditioning side. If someone is coming in just playing baseball, well, what I'm trying to do is provide them with stimulus that they're not going to receive from said sport. So the more exposure that we can get to strengthening,

to being under load, to stressing these joints in a strategic way, these muscles in a strategic way, I think the better these athletes are going to be for it. And so when kids are just playing one sport over and over and over again, and now those sports are continually asking more of kids younger and younger, well, that's the same kind of movement patterns that they're kind of getting into on a regular basis without any other strength to help support that. So I think that's kind of where we see the overuse issues coming.

And we see it in, obviously, baseball, we see it in gymnastics. we see it in lower bodies, you know, specific stuff, basketball and soccer as well. So I think having some sort of strength protocol is a good idea. And I think I would say as a whole, coaches are grabbing onto this a little bit more now, although there's still room for improvement. But yeah, the more strength and conditioning kind of stuff that these kids can do, even that you're underage, I think is important. I think you're right, man.

When you said when you are doing multiple sports, you're putting different stressors on different parts of the body. And so therefore, you know, for the audience that may not truly understand what Jason is saying, the stress is what's going to build things, right? It's going to tear it down. It's going to give them strength. You know, so if you're a baseball player and you're deficient at one area, but then you play football, you're going to be, you're going to close those gaps, right?

And I think it's super important. because what I'm saying now is just these kids are playing way too much baseball. You know, these kids are playing way too much soccer, playing way too much football. Not really football, but like basketball. It's just, it's nonstop, right? There's a season, then there's another season. It's like, dude, like, what the hell? Like, be a kid.

How important, and this is a great question. How important is just being a kid or a teenager in building resilience and wellness? I think that's it. This is a big topic. This is a big topic. Yeah. So again, when we go back to all of those facets, right? Like, the physical and the sport is one thing.

But what about everything else? Like, this might take a little bit of a turn, but what about building resilience in, obviously, we know, sport is, I think, will all agree that, you know, being involved in athletics and sports definitely builds you and carries into your adult life and into, you know, some of the foundations and some of the values that you develop in very positive manner. However, it can also set us up for our identity as just being, right? Dude, you guys are like, you guys are in my head. Keep going. Good Lord. So what happens at, you know, 18, when we go away to conference.

college and we don't get that soccer scholarship and we're not that all-star soccer player anymore or that all-star baseball player anymore and now like who are we what is our purpose what what do we do with life and it really leads that that that gap right and we see a lot of young athletes young kids struggle with that um and so again like have to develop like all of those things I would talk, build that resilience, develop all of those things. Yeah, I want to touch on this as well, because I think it goes back to what you're talking about being selfish, is, first of all, can't you do these things because they enjoy them?

And I think unfairly sometimes parents help to strip that away. It comes so much of a thing that, like, you have to do this because you want a scholarship to get into college. And because, you know, know, you have a better chance at doing this in baseball. We don't want you to play football. I mean, you had your kids like, well, I actually just like playing football. And so I think that's a whole other topic that we could, you know, maybe touch on another

time, but it's like, have fun as a kid and you should do things selfishly because you enjoy doing them. And don't tie your identity to something so strongly because it's a lot. can you die eventually. Dude, like, I just, it's almost scary how you guys are in my head because I was thinking, I was thinking like, you know, because it happened to me, right? Like, where I placed my identity is Sean French, the baseball player. I didn't know who the hell I was, you know, and, you know, I'm thinking about this.

And, you know, I haven't been very public about it, but, you know, like I've talked about it in my broadcast channel to the people that are. involved in that. I've said it on maybe one podcast. Now it's about to be a second one. You know, I've had a lot of conversations with people of TED Talk. And my idea, and I just did my first interview the other day, and I think I'm going to get it. I find out early December, but it just, there's a lot of synergy there that one of the interviewers actually, there's a lacrosse player that, a former lacrosse player that listens to my show. And so I had a leg up right there. But the biggest thing was my, my idea. And this

is something that I think, you know, that we're all aligned with here on this, on this, in the show right now is when you tie your, your identity to a specific thing that you do, when it's over, you don't know who you are. So when athletes are forcing to retirement early, whether it's from an injury or they just can't play at those higher levels anymore or someone's better than them, and then they lose that part of their life, I mean, so many mental issues, mental wellness after the fact, um, drug use. suicide, right? All these different things for these young athletes are just given up on their lives because they're no longer the baseball player. They're no longer the football player. So, you know, for me, I'm passionate about, and that's why I do the athlete community every Sunday night, you know, these kids pay to be a part of this. And it's like getting them to know and to work with them to know that, hey, this is just something that they do. you know, I don't care how good you are. And again, granted, I have Division I

Pitchers in the group, Division I athletes, I have volleyball players from the University of Notre Dame in this group. Like, they're not just, you know, slap sticks, athletes. Like, they need to know that when they are done, they better know who they are, right? Because if you don't know who you are when you're done, you're going to go a spiral.

And you know how I know that? Because I spiraled. I spiraled. I was drinking way too much. I was womanizing. I was burning bridges to a point where my friends that I had when I was a kid, we don't even speak anymore. Like I wouldn't want to speak to,

I wouldn't want to be friends with me anymore from that dude back in the day. Now, they don't know who I am anymore, right? They're missing out. I'm missing out on them. Right. But the bottom line is like, to your point, like, if you don't know who you are, you're cooked. Yeah, that's so true.

And I hope that my athletes take that away from working with me is that I enjoy their victories as much as they do. I'm, like, so happy for them because it's important to them. But at the end of the day, if they have a bad performance, I don't think any differently of them. Like, and they're more important to me as, people, then who they are, how they perform on the athlete field. I love that you said that, Jason, because I have, so I don't have kids of my own,

but I have two amazing nieces who play softball up north. And one of the things that I try to do with them as much as possible is obviously support them, but support them from a place of not, did they work? win or did they lose or did they you know how many home runs did they get i always ask them what did you learn today how were you a good teammate tell me how were you a good teammate how did you support your team and what can you do better next time like these are the sort of things that like i will i like constantly try to to hone in on them and then praise them when i see like you know their teammates struck out but when they came back into the dugout

there like it's that's all right you did them next time that's the stuff that you praise right like that was amazing you're the best teammate ever you were a leader there like great job keeps that up and i think that's a huge important part of what we can do like in in all of us together at in this type of community is really praise and reward those behaviors right that we that we look to i i love that Because, you know, it's funny, I never praise ability. Never, never. My son is very talented. It's in his blood.

He can run like a deer. I don't know where he got that because I can't. But, you know, he's got a very strong arm. He doesn't know how to use it yet. His swing is impeccable. And I've never worked on it yet. He's 10, right? And I'm not going to throw that on him right now.

I want to see if he falls in love with the game. Like, truly loves it. But the one thing that I'll always praise is attitude and effort. Like, hey, I really loved watching you compete out there today. Great job. Yes. That's it. I don't talk about the game on the way home.

I don't talk about, hey, your second at bat, you know, what were you thinking? Like, dude, that is the worst thing that you could do to a kid. It's like that's how you build the perfectionist complex. That's why I'm all screwed up in between the years because my dad did that to me. I was going to say, Sean, though, but how many times do you see the opposite from? Right. Right. So I think you were very much the minority percentage there from a parent, I would imagine.

1,000 percent, because I understand it. I know the outcome. I already know how the story ends, right? So I think that when we don't take our experiences and give it back, that's when we're taken from society. We have the responsibility to bestow our knowledge and our experiences onto children and onto parents to a point where I'm, most parents love me, right? But there's some that don't. Here's the ones that don't love me. Those little those little ones that come over the dugout and start coaching their kid from from the stands or from the other side of the dugout.

And they're yelling at him because they made the air. Those parents don't like me, right? Because I walk up to him after the game. Hey, love that you're here. Thank you so much for supporting the team and your son. Your son's nine. Can you stop? Do you think, do you think he feels good when you're screaming at him?

Actually, you know what? He probably wants to cry because he feels unloved. It's not about making there. He feels unloved. And you're creating a very unsafe space for your child and you need to stop. I'm more than willing to work with. you on the side so you can become a better sports parent. It's incredible how very little encouragement these kids need.

It will make the hugest difference. Yeah. And just to have someone like you as a coach that can provide that for them, maybe they're not getting it at home and that's such a huge win. Dude, listen to this. So I coach the fall ball team here in Fort Myers. You know, we did, is the right. league is at ruttnberg right nothing crazy we had one game a week and one practice a week and

the last game one of my pitchers and they're young this is the minors right through young he started doing really poorly on the mountain and i think he hit a batter or something like that to top it all off and then he he punched himself in the face i called time to me i'm like oh my god oh my god i i called time and i went out there and this is after like he's punched the ground and he's almost through his bat i'm like this poor young man is going through some tumultuous inner dialogue right now and and it's going to torpedo him and so i went out to the mound i called time went out the mound and i pulled him and i said hey do you know i'm you know i'm taking you out of the game right now he goes yes sir

I go, why is that? Because I'm not throwing strikes. I just said it battered. I'm doing terrible. I suck right now. I'm like, no, man. I'm taking out of the game because I'm concerned. You just hit yourself in the face.

I was like, I love you. There's no, there's no time for that. You need to go to the dugout and speak to one of my assistants, who is a clinical psychologist, right? And it says, hey, I said, hey, can you, can you, can you talk to him? because, you know, that's, that's, this is more important right now. So his dad comes over. And I was like, hey, listen, you know, I just want to talk to you why I took your son and he's like, no, he wasn't pitching while I'm like, I was like, sure, I didn't take him out because of that.

Took him out because he harmed himself. There's some, there's some things that we need to talk about. So after the game, I'm talking to the kid. And, you know, of course, you know, he's crying and, and all that stuff. And, you know, I just told him, like how much I cared about him and how much he helped the team, during the fall and how his future's bright and like listen you are not the sum of your performance like you're allowed to have a bad day you're allowed to have as many bad days as you want you're 10 or 11 like who cares right and at the end of it he's like thank you and i go can i hug you i gave him a

big hug and his dad came up to me after the game he's like coach i just don't know what to say I'm like, what's up, man? He goes, I've never seen a coach like you. You actually care about these kids' emotions. So I care more about that. I care about everything. And it was such a moment to where is a reminder, Jason, right?

That, and NNG, the purpose of why I do what I do is because I could be their only line of defense. And that kid has a great family, right? he's just going through some stuff. But like, that to me scared me because it reminded me of me when I was a kid. And that's what they don't get. And that's what I didn't tell them.

And now everybody listening to this, a thousand people are going to download the show. I'm going to listen. I was that kid because I was so scared to go home if I did poorly. Heavy, man. Yeah, for sure. Heavy shit.

And there's a balance to it too. obviously you want to be able to expect greatness out of yourself absolutely you want to do great things right you want to be successful but like god almighty like to what end right right and and how much better can we be like how much healthier would we be if we just focused on the next play run the play man you know everything's a play right now this is a play in your day it's a play in my day and we killed it, by the way. We killed it. Yeah, we did. Your first meal is a play. If you move your body's a play. So like, I just think that. One percent, right? One percent. One percent. Atomic Hatterson, man.

Listen, guys, I really enjoyed having you on today. You've given the audience an impeccable amount of value in just not just, you know, wellness and rehabilitation for injuries but just showing the community who you guys are and what your businesses you know signify um if you guys could just tell the audience for those that are local where they can find you how they can work with you because i would imagine a lot of the local athletes here do know about you guys but for those that don't talk to them a little bit right now that now's your time to say like hey come work with us yeah absolutely so um i mean that as john said that's what we do our goal is to help athletes save time and get better faster.

So that's what we're here for. Apex physical therapy and live resilient are right next door with each other. McGregor, San Carlos, gladiolis, right near that big intersection there. You can find us. We also have a location in Cape Coral. But, you know, website, Apex Physical Therapy or Live Resilient. And then on social, it's Apex Physical Therapy, SWFL or Live Resilient SWFL. Right?

At live. resilion. SWFO. I'm going to make it easy for these people. For when they click on your name, it's going to take them to your website. Perfect. Each one of your left. Beautiful.

And I'm going to put your social media handles in their links so that they can click on it, go follow you, and just learn more about you. And so that way they can come see you when they need, when they need to. And Sean, you know, super quick. What you mentioned it in the beginning, but what some folks don't know is, you can come see us as your primary entry point, as your primary care provider for all things, sports, injury, musculoskeletal, injury, pain, dysfunction, movement balance, recovery, all of those things. So, you know, we are your first point of contact and can be. Obviously, if there is an issue that is greater than our scope, we collaborate with lots of great folks in this area too and could get you in the hands of others. that would help you too. Yeah, thank you for saying that, Angie, because, you know, guys, I didn't have a referral

to go to them. I just called and I had an appointment the next day. I mean, it's just amazing. So after one appointment, I felt better and, you know, you can too. So give them a call. But listen, guys, we're going to close it out. I thank you guys both so much for hopping on and for the listeners. I want you guys to take today and decipher what you want to do to become.

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