The Dogg Zzone by 1900HOTDOG - Dogg Zzone 9000 - Episode 29, Japanese Battle Comedy
Episode Date: June 30, 2021Seanbaby and Brockway lock themselves in a room with Lydia Bugg and battle their collective comedy knowledge against Documental, the Japanese reality TV show that locks comedians in a room and fines t...hem $10,000 if they laugh. Japan!
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And with me
Is the illustrious
Robert the Barbarian Brockway
With the Brockway fact
Here's a fact
The whole show
Wow, just I had nothing
I ran right out of gas on that one
Alright, Brockway fact
I can catch a hummingbird with my bare hands
I can prove it, but no follow-up questions
Shit
I feel like the follow-up question would just be proving it
Are we allowed to have follow-up discussions?
Like when we take in the facts?
Follow-up discussions amongst yourselves
But I will not comment
Fair enough
Well, with us is our own
Lydiabug
Pleasure to have you back
Thank you
Yeah, my question is also
Can you please prove it, but I don't
I can
It's not allowed
I can
Does the hummingbird
Lydia, do you think the hummingbird's alive after he's caught it?
Oh, absolutely not, no way
There's no way
No, he's just like punching hummingbirds out of the sky
And being like, that's a fact
A fact about me, everyone
Just a trail of dead birds
Are you not entertained?
Yeah, I too can kill birds, just FYI
Yeah
Yeah
But not in an impressive way
Like Brockway can, I'm sure
If he could show us, but he can't
I sure can
Yeah, the killer's a lot about style
No follow-up questions though
God damn it
This is a perfect con
You've come up with a perfect con just now
Today is going to be
It's obviously a real tight show
We always run a real tight show
Today we're talking about a show Brockway turned us on to
It's called Documental
It's on Amazon
I have no idea if it's a hit
How do you tell if an Amazon Prime show is a hit
It doesn't have a huge presence on the internet
It is
I guess Brockway, why don't you try to sum up
What the show is
Well, I think to start on what you said already
I think it is kind of a thing
I think Amazon's doing that thing
Where they say it's an Amazon original
But really they're just sort of porting it over
To our market
Because you can look up
And there are way more seasons than the ones
Amazon has
You know, sketchy
Russian sites that will steal your information
And kill you
Like they see Amazon in the caption
But they could change that I guess, right?
They're probably involved with production
But they're like on their own schedule
Bringing it over
And it's not like a US only Amazon thing
That's the sense I get anyway
But
Okay, so Documental
It's a Japanese show
It's a Japanese reality show
And the premise is
This guy, this famous comedian
Whom I do not know
But nobody can say no to him
Apparently
He's like the Adam Sandler of Japan
Is like the vibe that you get
Yeah, that's very much it
He's an older guy
He's super jacked
And he's been famous for so long
That he's just kind of turned it
Into like an emperor's game
Where he just
Will destroy lives for his amusement
So nobody can say no to him
So he's abused that power
To start this reality TV show
Where he invites
I think it's 10 comedians on
And they all have to
Stay in a room together
And they can't laugh
And the last one who does not laugh
Wins
So they're all trying to make each other laugh
While also trying not to laugh themselves
And they have six hours to do it
And he watches from like
I'm just going to double down
On the emperor thing
He watches from the emperor's balcony
With this like crazy setup
And judges
Yeah, it's very like
Ends times
Somebody gets murdered in here
All the time and it never makes it
Out of this room kind of vibe
Yeah, it's like a saw puzzle
It is, it's definitely the thing
It feels to me like
I think there should be more rules
Like he came up with a very vague premise
For a show, you know, they can't make each other laugh
And then they were like
Great, what else? And he was like
I'm not thinking of more things
He does a lot on the fly
Like somebody will like just stick a mask on
Their head and maybe laugh
And so he'll come in and be like, okay, you can't wear a mask anymore
So he kind of, he'll adapt
The show on the fly to like people's
Ungentlemanly conduct
But he very clearly says at the start of it like
Fucking do whatever you want
And there's slapping
There's a lot of physical contact
One dude says during the show, no tickling
Because I think that would be unsportsmanlike
There's no rule against just grabbing a dude
And tickling him until he giggles
And that would 100% be an elimination
Yeah, but I think they
Sort of adopt the rules as they go along
I'm pretty sure the no tickling thing was like
That just stuck
But also maybe you didn't have to say that
This is a gentleman's, this is a gentleman's dual
Yeah, and people were saying like
Well, I don't want to win that way too
Like they want to win by actually making someone laugh
And then it increasingly becomes more
And we're clear to them that that's not how
They're going to win
And you get to watch that which is fascinating
Before getting too into it
There's another layer in that
The prize is
Man, I'm blanking on the amount
Is it 10 million yen?
I think it's 10 million yen
No, it's 10 million yen
But they have to, each comedian that he invites
Has to bring 1 million yen
So he puts no money into this
They all, it's like a poker game
And they only win each other's money
If they win
And if they lose, they're out
They're out their own money
And it's an amount of money that is
Difficult for them to attain
Like that's a big part of the first episode
As I'm talking about that
Yeah, these are not like super well off
Like some of them, a couple of them
There's like one or two that are kind of famous comedians
But these are all just like working, breaking in
Comedians that he's invited
So I think it's 10 grand that they have to bring in
100, winning 100 is huge
But like coming up with the 10 grand
Really hurt some of them
So it's just a brutal show
It's so cruel
There's a whole set up where they're taking out bank loans
And asking their family for, like two or three guys
Had to borrow money from their parents
Or their wives' parents or whatever
And then there's one guy who's like
There's the one guy who's like
My wife's where she's like, fuck it, I don't care
And then everybody's like, later on
You always talk about how rich your wife is
He does not care
He just shows up and says, look at my money
He's also like easily the most laid back
He didn't bring like a bunch of gags
He didn't do a lot of preparation
He's just here to fuck around with that money
And so he's sowing chaos
Which guy was this?
It was Fujiyama, the guy that bought them
Fujiyamoto, I think it was
He brought the tiny, tiny bag
Which was like my favorite bit in the show
When they all show up with really big bags
And Fujiyamoto has a tiny, tiny Mark Jacobs bag
Clearly his wife's bag too
And she bought like some lotion
And he's like, oh, that's perfect
Just not taking it seriously at all
And that's such like a power move
Because it's the only show I've seen
Where it just like, it hurts to go on it
Like this is going to harm you long term
If you do not win
I have a question about Fujiyamoto here
Sorry to interrupt
He spends most of the show just barely not laughing
Now, do you think that's an affectation
Or do you think he's really holding and laughter
Because the funniest part of the show is watching that dude's face
While he's trying not to laugh
And I feel like he's weaponizing that
Like I don't think he's really about to laugh
I think he just wants to look like that
Oh, that would be amazing if that was the case
That never crossed my mind
I thought that they were more lenient on him
Than they were on almost anybody else
Like it seemed like they were
They were clear favorites to win to me
Another thing to point out is
Their overlord
He very clearly has a lot of discretion
So sometimes people laugh
And he's like, I'll let you off with a warning
And Fujiyamoto spends the whole time
Smirking and laughing
Which is an elimination later in the show
You were smiling, get the fuck out of here
But I think he's really aggressive
And he's always messing with people
And so the guy wants him there
So just that bias
That the show is better with him there
It seems definitely like the implication
Going is like he's
He's the judge, he's the guy that started
But he's also kind of the director as it goes along
Because he even says at some point
Like the judging gets more strict
As we get like halfway through or towards the end
And then you can't even smile a little bit
It's not about laughing
You can't like smirk or you're out
You can't like puff
One guy I think gets kicked out because his voice
Has like a little laughter in it
He doesn't show it at all outwardly
And you're gone
But it doesn't work that way early
Because that would be bad TV
Because they are so
Everybody's so nervous and giggly
Like
At the start of this one
Especially because this is
Like the first time they've ever done it
It's the first series of this brand new show
And like they show
They show them all going about their lives
When they get this invite
And I guess this guy
The
What is his name?
Hitoshi Matsumoto
I guess he's kind of famous for like
Prank shows and stuff
So they all think it's a prank
But they still can't say no
Because he's like their senior
And he's famous and it's kind of an opportunity
So they're all
They're all in this room at the start
And they're like half suspecting to be
I don't know
Dropped into a tank of piranha
But like yeah they're very giggly
One of you is holding the antidote gentlemen
It's very
Very much like a Bond villain game
For comedians
It's so
One of the things I'm fascinated about
Obviously is that
We have very different cultures
But like everyone feels very
Old timey vaudeville in comics
Like everyone's part of a comedy duo
And they show like clips of their act
And it looks like
Like someone making fun of like Laurel and Hardy
Like you're like what the this comedy died like
Fucking when our grandparents died
Like
So they come in here with these
What seems to be from my perspective
Really old timey like views of comedy
But also like
Like a really scientific view
Of comedy like the host keeps talking about
Like oh this guy's comedy is very
Sophisticated
He's like
He's starting into a balloon
Okay I might
I might slip into that a few times
Because I love how he'll be like
No
And now it's so funny to me
How seriously he's taking these dudes parts
And uh
Yeah it's I get what you're
I get what you're saying it's like
I mean this is me
As a total ignorant American
Outside of their comedy scene
But uh and I'm sure it's nuanced
And sophisticated and like very culturally
Relevant but from my
Perspective as this outsider
Their comedy is the worst fucking thing I've ever seen
Like so bad so bad
I have a specific example of what their
Comedy is because I've been looking
All over the internet for it
It is um when they first show
Kawahara I think was the guy's name
He is on stage
Practicing I guess his routines
No one's in the audience he's wearing
A hat that looks like an eggplant
And he's smoking
Like very casually
And like saying something
Saying some kind of jokes but it looks like
Weirdly low-key for having an eggplant
Hat on and I wanted to know what it was
And he at one point started
Doing his routine I guess
Which is him saying like
I'm sleepy
In like a weird voice
And then he says um
I broke all of the toes
On my right foot
And you guys are like stop doing your routine
This sucks we know this
Right and that's his routine
Like I thought he was just out of ideas
And like trying to do something
Random and crazy and just out of panic
But he's like no this is your carefully
Prepared act that you have honed
Over hundreds of hours in front of a live audience
Like what
What it's so it's so baffling
That they that they have arrived
Apparently independently
On like proto vaudeville
All on their own
Like they've arrived at what our comedy was
In like 1910
Like now it's all
Straight man and wacky guy
And they're all doing like who's on first
Style
Just like skits
And yet they all seem like
Totally normal like dudes
Dudes
Like in their normal day to day life
They're totally just like stand up comedians
That's your vaudeville act
Talk like a regular person and tell you how much that sucks
But it's like dude that guy's like
Your contemporary like that's kind of
What you seem to do based on the intro I saw
Right they're all every one of them
Is intro there's no if there's such a thing
Is Japanese just stand up like ours
That nobody is on this show
They're all from these like these performing troops
And what's crazy is when they're not doing those
Bits it sounds
And like looks like
You've got a bunch of professional comedians
From anywhere else anywhere else in the world together
And like they're talking in the same way
Like they analyze the things that it's all
In jokes like
It is exactly
Functionally the same way like they consider it
Mentally the same way that
That anybody does about comedy around the world
But it's all this like vaudeville stuff that they're
Well and even the way they dress too
Like I thought when they started
Introducing these guys I'm like wow even the way
Comedians dress is like universal
I think was wearing like a Yankees cap
And they're wearing like you know
The like t-shirt and the flannel over it
Like it's
It's like yeah it's out of comedians
Of comedy like it's any back
Stage presence you'd see of comedians
And it's all totally identical
And then they do their act and it's like
It's like they wear a little baby
Outfit and they go like
Mama hungry and like that's your whole
You're like then they cut to them talking about it
And they're like yeah it was
Very strategic to use the mama
Hungry bit at this point
He had just said that sometimes
There is food
Right
It was a callback, it was a reference
They reacted to that
Like you or I would
Like they're like what the fuck are you doing
Why do you have two toys
Why are you seeing a mama and the baby
This isn't anything
But they got laughs
It seems like they hate their own acts
They hate and are
Embarrassed by like their professional comedy
Because every time somebody does it
Like bomb I hate it
So comedians hating themselves also universal
Also totally relatable
And universal
And it's not like
Nobody gets out from any of these
Planned bits because they
They don't like it at all
Even though they're the ones doing it
So they stare at it stone faced
And then just like after it's over they go
Was that it
Yeah
Well there was one bit that did okay
That got laughs and I don't know if you guys
Have a favorite bit but I do
If you want to talk about your favorite bits in this
Please let's get started
Favorite bits
Litties favorite bit
Good yeah we should make that a segment
You needed a theme song
Yeah I divided it into I have like in my notes
Jokes I liked, jokes I can't believe happened
And jokes I fully expected to see immediately
Which is just when the guy came out in a dress
I was like okay well I knew that was going to happen
Crushed it
But the one that did well that I liked too
Was when the guy did the lucid mask
I'm sorry just thinking about it
And then he like fell
Off the did well
Which is like I know
He's like one of the
One of the larger guys like the
Chris Farley like a big guy doing
Physical comedy kept coming out in lucid
Door mask and he
Climbed up on a chair
Like to do a move they were like do a move do a move
So he climbed up on the chair and he did
Get to move at like he
Barely shifted and the chair exploded
And he just didn't
Catch himself completely ate shit on the
Page and shrapnel from the chair went
All over the room they every single
Person stood up and walked away and just looked
At a wall because they were going to yeah
They were going to burst
Anyone laugh though
The funniest thing on the show
Like
Whatever silly thing he was going to do
Like he got
Completely derailed by his
Accident
And it was 100% better
Yeah 100% better because of it
I really liked that he
Took off his shirt and he's kind of like just a big
Sphere and
Obviously has a bit of weight problem
And one of the other guys says oh he has a nice body
He must work out a lot and that's the thing about
The show I can never tell when they're being
Sarcastic because it didn't seem like it
Really seemed like oh hey that dude's kind of buff
Comedian
So it's also a lot
Of word play and I'm like okay this must
Be a joke made by the localizer
Like there can't
Be a pun in Japanese that's the same
As the pun translated into English
Right yeah it's also trying dense
Trying to like which of these are
Jokes and references to things that are
Probably very funny if you know
Them in Japan that we're never going to get
And which are not because sometimes I will
Look one of them up and be like oh that's
Not a reference to anything
I thought that was a reference to something
But he was just saying some weird shit
Yeah well in a lot of it too
Is just them saying something is happening
Or looks a certain way that it doesn't actually
Look like in the beginning one of the guys
Introduced it they're all introducing themselves
And one of them introduces himself as
Like another comedian who's apparently
Like a famous comedian
Okay and that
And he kind of gets somebody too
They're kind of like
That like got somebody and I was like
Okay that must be a really good joke
Over there I don't know
Yeah like that's one of the ones I guess
Because they do like just like any comedian
They do a lot of inside comedy baseball
When you get comedians together they talk about comedy
Like we're doing now
We're going to do it right now yeah
So like a lot of it's just got to be
Inside baseball stuff that seems to get them
Well I'd like to talk about my favorite bit
Lydia if you could do a theme song for me
Sean's favorite bit
So good
Did you say okay?
I'm sorry I tried really hard at that
So good yeah I loved it
No bullshit 9 out of 10
Great
So I was watching it and I noticed
Immediately there was no women
And I've been in enough all man
Comedy rooms to know that this
Is going to be a disaster I was like
They need at least three women in here
Or it's going to be all zany
Ass play and of course
I turned into that almost immediately
There's a guy I really like
His name is Daisuke
I looked him up and he's called
The festival man and he goes around
Like fucking around at like different festivals
So he'll like go to a place
Where they do like a you know
Pie eating contest and he'll like
Fuck up with a pie eating contest
It seems fun
Anyway that's just my surface understanding
Of who this guy is
He had to be one of the funniest faces
He'll jerk his head at the ceiling
And like sort of seize up like he's being tased
And it cracks me up so hard
Watching this guy try to hold him
In his laughter and
He has a bit he claimed he like
Invented like in the locker rooms
Of the comedy clubs where
He gets down to his underpants
And then he tells someone to like
Give him the signal and then he pulls down
His pants real quick and then
Pulse his butt cheeks open so you can see his asshole
And I was like
The beat of that did get
So fat like a gun slinger
With that butt hole
Nobody on this earth can be faster
At exposing their butt hole
Than that man
And it had like a snap to it
And like a sassiness like he kind of looks back
At you while he does it like he's posing
And it's so funny
And then everyone else tries to do it
Obviously fucks it all up but then there was
The guy Anthony
And he was the
I guess his dad was American
So he's half black
Which became like
Like a thing they riffed on for like
Three straight episodes but anyway
They thought it was hilarious
Like nothing else no other layer to it
Like when they first walked in and sat down
And they were introducing themselves
Jimmy one of the older comedians there
Just looked across the table at him and
Busted up laughing and Fujimoto said him
And he's like come on don't laugh because he's black
That's too easy just just looking at him
Sit there just
Yeah he like pointed at him too he sat down
Pointed at him and laughed and then they were like
Are you laughing at him just because he's black
And Jimmy was like
And he knew too
So he brought pictures of himself as a child
So he's like
Little pictures of him in Japanese school
Pictures of him just like
Just doing slight stuff
And it fucking killed
They could not take it
The same way white supremacy is baked into us
I imagine their cultural supremacy is baked in
So when you see all these kids
In like traditional garb with like
Like the pointed hats and then one of them is black
It's like it looks like some kind of a prank
Like what the fuck did you just photoshop
This kid in
So they look at it and they just can't handle it
Absolutely slayed and there was one picture
Of just like his dad holding him
And they were and it was at night
No that one eliminated someone they laughed so hard
It eliminated almost two people
But it was just like a black man at night
And they were like fucking
They died they could not believe how
I love that he knew that
And he knew who to target with it
And it was I can't remember who
But somebody was eating and he snuck
Just his regular childhood picture
Again very normal
On to the guy's plate when he stood up
And the guy comes back and sees the picture
On his plate and almost breaks
Yeah just a picture of his loving father
Is funny to these people
Anyway your favorite bit was him
My favorite bit
So Daisuke started it
By pulling out his butthole and once the seal was broken
On the butthole it's fucking
It's all buttholes from now on
Everyone is doing butthole stuff now
And what that eventually like evolved
Into was the black dude
Fully balls naked at this point
Just doing a three step
Procedure where they would chant USA
And he would go US
And then pull his butt open on the A
And like they practiced it until
Like they got it downright
And watching the rehearsal for the USA butthole exposure
Was the fucking funniest
Shit
And you'd never get there
Under normal circumstances
The only thing that could create these exact circumstances
Is sticking ten dudes in a room and saying
Be silly but not funny
This is what an all male
Writer's room comes up with
This is why diversity matters
Yeah and I actually
Thought it was like a great strategy
On Daisuke's part
Because he says in his cutaway
I'm gonna do the stuff that makes my elders laugh
In the comedy club
Backstage and I was like
That's a great strategy for this
That's all that's gonna get him
It's almost never these bits
It's bits like that certainly killed
But the bits from their act don't get it
And it's always just
Once they explain what's going on
Actually this is my favorite bit
I guess you've both already gone
So
So my favorite bit
Is one of these moments where they get in their head
Like this is basically the only way anybody gets eliminated
It's they get in their head
While some other joke is going on
And it's the thought that they think
At that moment that gets to them
And my favorite bit
Coasts off of Lydia's favorite bit
Where that guy broke the chair
And he tries to jump and he shatters the chair
And this is like hours later
That was at like hour two
And so at hour like four and a half
Everybody's worn down and they're all just kind of sitting
In this couch together like the few that are left
And they're like hunched down
And just trying to think of what else to do
Everybody's burned all their bits
And the guy that broke the chair
He's got a piece of the chair that kind of looks like a
What weapon is that called, John?
A tonfa?
Like a cop Billy
He's got something that looks like that
And he's kind of scratching his head with it
And Fujimoto's sitting next to him and he says
Stop doing that
And the other guy says like
Yeah but I made this
And he's like you didn't make that
And then there's a long silence and then he laughs
And everybody's like wait what
And he has to explain after he got out
But I'm the one that broke the chair
So I did make that
It's maybe the biggest laugh on the show
When that guy laughs too
It's not tried to contain
He just
He totally forgets what the fuck he's doing
Because in his own head
He's like wait technically I did make this
That's just
He's fucking got himself eliminated
For that
There's a dynamic
We haven't talked about yet
That I don't even think they meant to do this
But every time someone laughs
They hit an alarm and then the host walks in
And for some reason he's like
Mad all the time
And so he comes in and he's always trying to look mad
And it creates this dynamic where it looks like
Like a parent is walking him on the kids
It's like the worst possible time
It's totally sleep over mom
So they're all like
Fully nude like hitting each other with their dicks
Trying to make each other laugh and finally works
And he comes in and then here's all these grown men
Like on the furniture
With their dicks out and here comes this
Cranky adult figure and it's so funny
I have no idea if they meant to do it
But it happens every time
And then of course
Like they play the replays like oh you laughed
And then they deny it like no no no no
Fuck it wait did I laugh and then they have like footage
Like right here
Here's footage of you laughing and then everyone laughs again
And I'm like this must be the best show ever
I want to do this show
Those moments always get me when they have to watch themselves
Laugh and then ah they don't have everybody
Like the relief
It's totally the build up and release of tension
That is comedy
To the mechanical structure
Of the show as well
So you get those moments of them
Watching it where they fucked up
As they try to deny it
I do think a lot of them believe it
And that it's either a happy accident
Or it's perfectly constructed
Right
Some of this I understand
Can be funny to somebody else
But there's so much of this show
Like most of the runtime of this show
It amazes me
Anybody would watch this that's not a comedian
Because it's just
It's all like
It's all like anti-comedy
It's all like
Like the butthole USA
But the joke wasn't when he did it
Nobody laughed when he did it the first time
The joke was like slowly built
As they took it seriously and practiced
And like
As they come to this realization using
Comedic training of like no it would be funny
If you did this tweak it
It would be interesting to anybody else but us
But they made like nine seasons
Of this show it's amazing
Yeah they love it when stuff is like
I guess what I was saying about happy accident
I was just saying they love it when stuff is not funny
And someone announces it's not funny first
And like when the guy did that dance
He just did like a weird dance and then he said
Boobs at the end
And that crushed
That took
He first said I'm gonna do this thing
And I guess it was kind of a meme so it's already lame
And they're all like don't do that it's lame
It's a meme and like come on man
Which is just something they do all the time
Like if somebody starts doing their bit
If somebody starts doing like a joke that they know
Or like something that's already been in the news
They're like come on like bring
Bring your A game here and so he's like
I'm gonna do this but
I'm gonna do an unfunny version of it
And they're like okay why is
Why are you even gonna do that
And everybody's expecting there to be a turn
And the turn is that there is not a turn
And it ends with him just going
Boobs
And it gets like one of the funniest guys there
Just fucking cracks up
Nothing has been really getting to him
And he just busts his shit
I think that's how he got eliminated
The expectations that everyone had
Going in seemed like
Really hard to break
Like they're all like do not do your act here
But this is the first time anyone's done anything like this
But they all still had these rules
That they were disappointed in people for breaking
And I get
What I meant earlier by the happy accident is that
It's clear the show
Is off the rails instantly
And so the guy's constantly having to like make adjustments
And then season two there's all these different rules
Like he had this idea
And we're seeing like
The raw execution of it and
Him trying to adapt it into a show
After it's already been fucking on the air
Yeah you're watching him like workshop
The idea of a show over seasons
Because it does keep like evolving
We'll do something and it won't work in a season
And it'll be like ah we're not doing that anymore
It's not like the show keeps building
It's just like ah it's not
That one's not working like
It's the most just fucking off the cuff
Does it get better
Or do you think it like
Does it improve when he tries to improve it usually
There's so
There's so much magic to the first season
Because they don't know what it is
Like especially the first couple of episodes
When they're
Everybody's half expecting like
A banana cream pie to come launching out of the wall
And hit him and they'll be like ah you got me
Because like this is just
It's not happened yet
So they don't know what to do
And they don't know what their strategy is
But it does get interesting
When people start like
Studying previous seasons
Like I'm gonna do this this works
This doesn't work I'm gonna try this for like
Not laughing I think there's a guy
That tries to train himself to frown
And find something funny
And like tries to
Recondition his body and his life
This is brain chemistry
I don't think it works but I don't remember
Did you guys watch the early seasons
Of Survivor
No
Survivor was a huge reality show
And when they went on there they didn't know what to expect
But every individual person
Thought they were like Lex Luthor
So they'd put the camera on them
They'd be like oh here's my strategy
About how they're gonna manipulate these people psychologically
In this activity no one's ever done before
And that's what I felt like the show was
They're like oh and see what I need to do
Is hit them hard go on the offensive
Sorry I'm doing the camera accent again
I'll get you out of that accent
Sumimasen
I guess it helps that you speak Japanese
I guess it helps that you speak Japanese
I like my Japanese
It only helps a little bit
You really speak Japanese?
Wow
That means a little bit
But
So
I guess the point I'm trying to make
Is that these guys all have
They speak very authoritatively
On this thing that
They're clearly amateurs at
And like
Some dude will like take his nipple out
And like tweak it a little
And it'll cut back to the host and they'll be like
Oh my god what a fucking move
Oh what a competitor
What a power move that is
Yeah the color commentary on it
Is really great
The exit interviews are the best for me
When they get knocked out and they have to be like
Oh I've understood what I did
I know my mistake here
And it was
I looked directly at his ballsack
When I should have looked at his thigh
And pretended I was looking at his thigh
Fucking what?
I fucked up I looked right at the balls
Never looked right at the balls
And it's always at Sean's right
Like I've seen
Four seasons of the show which is all they have
On Amazon I want to go find
The others that are
On the Russian blackmail sites
Because the show is worth it it's worth getting
Blackmailed by
Some sort of Russian special
Special team
I don't know like I couldn't decide
If I would recommend it to someone else
Or if I was enjoying it
While I was watching it like I was laughing
I would recommend it to every other
Comedian I know and nobody else
Or their
Spouses maybe to help them understand
Us
No I told my husband to go away when I was watching this
I'm like I don't want you to see this
Don't understand me
Leave
Please leave
He's gonna walk in right when they're showing each other
Their buttholes and he's
Gonna be confused
And it will always all four seasons end like that
They don't start like that nobody goes nuclear
Right there but like as they run out of bits
That they've prepared and as like
Callbacks in like just six hours
Is such a long time
To do anything but to be in this room
This high stress room and try to make each other laugh
So they're all completely broken
And completely spent at the end to the last
Like two hours of every show
Is just
Full nuclear panic dicks out
Stuff in asses just running around
The rooms shoving dicks and things like is this
Maybe is this the one
I put my dick in a clock you got
You got time to fuck I don't know
I don't is that a thing
It's kind of fun to see the everything peeled back
To the basics of comedy like
When Kawahara eats noodles really funny
That made me laugh
He was just like eating these noodles and going like
While he ate them
And I was like that's a good bit that's what I would do
I would try to eat something funny
Right because there's two ways to make like an actual
Comedian laugh and that's to do like either
A really intricate
Built joke that not a lot of other people
Have the patience for or get
Or the dumbest fucking thing you can think of
Yeah
Those are the two guaranteed ways to make a comedian laugh
Which is just one
I'm gonna sound like the host of this show
Not accent wise
But in my pontificating
Where a lot of comedy is a
Breaking of patterns
And so you start to establish
You know a chain of things
You get a reticent pattern going and then you break it
But if you're trying to like
Fuck up a comedian listening for
The expectation of a pattern breaking
Like you have to break it in a second way
So it takes a sophisticated
Like
Anti-pattern breaking
To like
Fuck up their expectations I guess is my point
It sucks to talk about comedy but like there is
You know
Things you can do scientifically
To be funny
If you turn on the comedian laugh
You don't go like one, two, or three
You have to be like one, two
And then the third thing
Either has to be just three
Or you know
You get it, you get what I'm saying
Everyone gets it
And then there's like the classic bits
Like thing that should be big is actually small
And you're like oh wow
I forget how funny that is and then that kills
Right it's either like shit that
Would play for the toddler
Or like college level
Comedy clubs are off
There's no like high school comedy
Still works here kind of thing
It's just it's either
Completely brain dead or
You've thought about this way too much
Like one of my favorite things is one of the guys
Who just
Who looks like a fucking ogre
And he uses it so well
Cookie
Cookie
He just looks like Shrek
And he plays with it so well
That it gets everybody else
But he brought like
Cards or pictures or something
Of like
Funny things written on them
And he was showing them to people
And like nobody really laughed
And then he had one with just like a totally normal
And he put that in front of somebody
And that got somebody
It all built to an anti-joke
They were all punchlines
Here's a punchline
Here's not a punchline and that's the punchline
And that's the one that worked on the comic
Yeah, Cookie was massively on the offense
All the time. He can't brought a ton of bits
And they worked fairly well
He laughed way too easily
Yeah
But he brought a ton of it
He got so many people with so much other shit
Did you guys understand the
Going on the offensive was so risky
Because like a guy will do something silly
And he knows he's about to do something silly
He looks, no one likes it
Which is extra funny to someone doing something silly
And so generally
Like in the process of doing a bit
They're the ones in the most danger of
Laughing
That Jimmy guy
He just knocked himself completely out
He kept doing that to himself
He looks like just a sewer gremlin
He came in there
Just looking like a sewer gremlin
And he used that really well too
He just like, I don't know why it was so funny
He started washing his hair
He just fucking killed it
So hard that he just starts washing his hair
Was he doing a character?
I was trying to figure out if he was doing
Like a sad guy character
He just looks filthy and diseased
And I think he's just playing with this
Filty disease
He lifted up his shirt and his back
Is just pockmarked and broken
You got holes all through your back
Like the police have shot him with rubber bullets
So many times to clear him out of his fucking
Subway nook
And he went on the offensive with this terrible comedy
That also played with the way he looked
To some extent
Especially early on
But he just kept getting himself
Because he could start doing something really stupid
Like this is so fucking stupid
And knocked himself totally out
I looked that dude up
And I think he might be the most famous of all of them
There's like a Netflix movie just about him
And his rise to comedy legend
Yeah, like that dude
He's watched him in later seasons
And like
Apparently he
He became a painter
And he was actually really good
Like not funny paintings
Not ironic paintings
He moved to Spain to like pursue art
And it was a massive success
Like he was selling his paintings for
Tens or hundreds of thousands of dollars or something
But he had like such a rampant sex addiction
That he couldn't
He could not keep like money
He would just sell a painting
And instead of letting anything appreciate
He doesn't have any of his own paintings
He sold all of them just so he could go to like white clubs
And shit
But he has his own HPV
And that's something
Like they said in that
They said you can just sell a painting
But he was doing this whole I think bit
At the beginning where he was like
I'm so ashamed to get this money
I had to go to the bank and all of the banks turned me down for loans
And I was like
Jesus
And it's going to jerk off clubs
Jesus
He went and spent it all on these jerk off clubs
And like maybe that's not true
But he looks like the kind of guy that that's true
And so that's exactly what he should be saying
I guess they also
Did this thing that I'm going to look up next
There was this sort of
This trend
My wife again was telling me about this that
Called 24 hour interviews
Where like a bunch of reporters
Or interviewers of any kind would tag
Team and they would just keep a subject
Somewhere for 24 straight
Hours and like interview them
Beyond exhaustion until
Like everything just went crazy
And he did
Tell you where the nuclear codes are
This is like CIA torture to me
That's just classical band interrogation
But I guess it was just like this show
It was big in Japan
It's great to torment people
Is what they love to see
And they're right to some extent
But I'm going to
I'm definitely going to try to find
Jimmy whatever his name was
His 24 hour interview where he confessed
To all of his
Whank addictions
I was trying to figure out
Like how famous everyone in the room was
Compared to like
If these were Americans
Would this be like people who are on SNL
Or would this be like people that are at
Groundlings that are like getting kind of big
Or in like some stand ups in there
That you've seen like one special of
Maybe
It's so hard I couldn't really figure out an analog
For anybody like when I was like
Jimmy's the George Carlin in Japan
I'm like this isn't even close
Oh god no
George Carlin was the Jimmy of America
If anyone's George Carlin
It's the guy running the show
I don't think any of them are close
Nobody's mentioned how vaudeville this is
That literally a vaudeville comedian showed up
He showed up in his like pink
Vaudeville suit
And did vaudeville
Like straight literally a vaudeville comedian
Showed up and apparently that guy
Has enough of a career to merit time on this show
So
That dude couldn't fucking keep it together at all
That guy was giggling the second it started
Yeah immediately
That guy was like what is he doing here
What does he think this is
He was seeing to him the future of comedy
That was a vaudeville performer
He was watching that time
And he's watching like 70 years from now
Comedy and he's destroyed
It's escalated so far
It's all butt stuff
He's going to go back to his time and just ruin
Our universe
Just introduce butt stuff way too early
Oh no
Do you guys ever watch
Mexican television
I've seen some telenovelas
Because
If you watch like Mexican comedy
Like the clips they showed of these guys
It's sort of vaudevillean but it's like
Like less structured and silly
Lots of funny wigs
And like makeup
Mugging to the camera and things
It's just
My stupid brain wants to say
It's very like
Old timey or retro or behind us somehow
But uh
Your culture does
I know that sucks of me but that's how it feels
Like looking at this
It's the real 50s comedy
Like how much censorship
Effects comedy over there
Isn't there like
Kind of a censorship thing going on
Like you can
If I understand from their pornography correctly
You can show the tentacles but not the genitals
So that
That points to sort of a
Disconnect
Even more than Jackass
This was the most anal play I've ever seen
In a comedy
That censorship
It does not work
I mean someone put his finger in someone else's butt
And it was a long
Long bit that made me so uncomfortable
Oh it was so rough
And I was like is he really going to put his finger in there
And like yeah
He pretty much did it
Can we set the scene?
Everybody laughs
Should I do one too
Just so that we have two takes of it
Rock away sets the butt hole scene
Okay
Okay and now Jamie can you layer those together for us
Make a melody
Little nice harmony
Rock away sets the butt hole scene
Rock away sets the butt hole scene
Thank you Jamie
So Daisuke who does the
Analympics thing where he flashes his butt hole really quickly
Part of what gets them is that he has toilet paper
Stuck on his asshole
And he is genuinely so embarrassed when they tell him
He's like oh my god I didn't know
It's a bit
And so way later in the show as a callback
Fujimoto says let me wash the toilet paper
Out of your asshole
Which is just like the suggestion
Should get somebody but they have to go so far
With it
That they have Daisuke bend over a table
And then he pulls
His underwear down very slowly
And then he calls two other comedians
In because he's like the senior there
And they as their juniors apparently
Have to do what he says
To hold Daisuke's butt cheeks apart for him
So he's got like three people
Just spread eagling
And then he gets a bunch of soap
And he very lovingly and tenderly washes
The man's anus
On camera in front of the show
And then apparently at one point
Slides a finger right in his ass
And that's it
You say lovely and tenderly I took it more
Like a raccoon trying to get inside
Like he's
He's going at that but
This is the guy who has said several times
He doesn't need money
But
Right but you would totally lose
That objectivity like three hours into this
Then it becomes like you're playing to the level
That it's at like these guys are trying
So fucking hard you have to
Do something
You can't just be like nah I don't need this
Yeah it really demonstrates
Like the escalation of stakes that can happen
Like once one butthole comes out
What's the big deal if someone takes their dick out
What's the big deal if you put that dick in someone's ear
Why aren't we all just sucking dicks
Actually Fujimoto suggests that
In season two
He's like we want to be really funny
Let's take our dick
Let's suck them and they go what
And he goes the dicks
Like come on though
This is where it's leading
You've been playing with each other's assholes
You started talking to each other's dicks
Like each season builds upon the next
Like this is just going to end
Hardcore pornography
Well no where it is we should say
I felt like this season two part of it was
It had a perfect climax
Which was one of the guys
Crawling up on top of the table
In his underwear
And saying I'm sorry mom and dad
I'm sorry I'm going to do it
I'm going to shit my pants
The two other people are like come on don't do this
Don't do this man like he's like
Jumper at the edge of the ledge
You can't do this
You can't go there you can't do it
And he really tries he sits there
Well he stands there he stands in the middle of this table
Just like hitting himself and squeezing
And just trying to shit standing up
And he can't do it and this is like the final
Seconds clocks ticking down
And it doesn't work and he knows it doesn't work
And so they all sit down and they just kind of
Stare at each other for the last 30 seconds
Totally out of ideas
They just watch somebody die
They're all failures and just looking
And the show ends in dead silence
With these just like three men
Who have given away all of their dignity
And his exit interview was like
I should have done it I should have
Shit myself
So like regretful
He's like I tried
I'm sorry mom and dad I tried
I tried to shit my pants
I love the moments when you know they're being
Completely genuine because they're kind of fucking with each other
The whole time but at the end when he's trying to shit
Anthony the half black dude
Is screaming I'm not gonna fucking
Laugh at your shit like he keeps just
Pleading with him not to do this because
It's not gonna work anyway
Anthony the only one with any human empathy left
Begging this man
Not to shit himself on television
Don't do this
And he doesn't but he feels like such a failure
Even the Matsumoto
Or whatever the host guy's name
I think the show closes out or comes close to closing out
With him just going like if that was me
I would have poked
Yep a coward
I would have done it
He should commit ritual suicide tonight
For sure
And I've seen a few more seasons of this
And like
It doesn't start like you would think
The seal has been broken so it's got to start
With butt play and just devolve into I don't know
Into murders and cannibalism
At the end of it
But you know everybody still starts
Normally because that really is
What gets them like they start
Their bits and it's not the bits that get them
But what you think about the bits
Really the buttholes and the dicks only come out
In like the last
Two hours of every season when everybody's exhausted
And out of ideas and it's just
It's just like watching
It's like caveman comedy
It's watching comedy regress back to like
Men in caves pulling their dicks out
Making giant dick shadows on the wall
This is what I got
That's Plato's story of the dick cave
There's even a portion where they start hitting each other
That is the joke and one guy gets punched in the face
And then laughs
Fujimoto Fujimoto
Again let me outline that
Because that was legitimately funny
Is that he's he comes out with a boxing glove
And he doesn't expect
Because they're playing around he doesn't expect to get hit
And he gets hit and he's like
Oh okay that was a little weird
And then they're messing around again
He hits him again later and you can see him like
Try not to laugh like I can't believe you fucking did it again
And as he's trying not to laugh he hits him again
And it's that like you can see him
Laugh because like I cannot fucking
Believe you hit me while I was
Like he just can't believe it was done
It's disbelieving laughter but that counts
And that's how he gets eliminated
I also I really
Like that no one sort of stooped to
Any like um
Underhanded games like I feel like if you really
Wanted to not laugh
You could just sort of create like a hostile
Environment you know what I mean like you could just
Like
Fight with someone and then just ride that
Like angry adrenaline to a place
Of no laughter and yet
No one did that because I did think
Many times like how would I not laugh
For six hours and I'm like yeah I guess I could just like
You know start a really
Cranky argument with someone and then just be unhappy
Or you could try you could try to
Not engage the whole time and
Like put yourself in a bad mood and then try to
Do some bits or something at the end maybe or just
Hope that you lasted
But like nobody nobody does that there are people
That kind of engage less
And certainly laugh less but everybody
Does something everybody engages
On some level or like
Kawahara was drinking
Wine like for the first hour
Or something and I was like maybe he's a really
Sad drunk so he's like
I'm just gonna get wasted and nobody
Is gonna make me laugh which I was like
I think that's actually a hilariously
Good strategy
See I thought it was
A bad strategy just because like
You're mind sharp enough to just not
Forget where you are because a lot of guys got eliminated
Just because they like oh yeah with my friends
Oh shit I just laughed
It's that moment where they forget like
There's a moment somewhere in that six hours
Where you're just talking or whatever and somebody
Will say something that's not even all that funny
You'll just laugh and be like oh right
I'm supposed to suppress all of my human instincts
I forgot about that
And that's like part of what makes it not as funny
Is that when people laugh and
Your instinct is to laugh back because
Community part of it like it feels good
To laugh with a group of people and to see
All these people like
Trying to make each other laugh and not laughing
It makes them seem aggressive
Like yeah so see that's what I mean
By like I can't believe people that aren't
Comedians like this because it's so interesting
To watch like when you
Give incentive to remove
The entire like feedback system of comedy
Watching them like
What they get what they do what works
It's not like funny because there's
A laugh track there's no you know there's no
Group effort of people laughing with you
Yeah it's very uncomfortable
It's watching people bomb
The hardest you've ever seen anybody bomb
Over and over and over again
And I just
It's so uncomfortable I can't believe anybody can watch it
That isn't a comedian and like be interested
But it's apparently doing okay
Four seasons baby
People seem to like it I guess Australia
Has their own version of this too
I don't want to watch that
That's gotta get so racist so fast
That's gotta open
If that doesn't open with racism
I'll be surprised
Yeah that's gonna make me look like Nelson Mandela
That ends in just straight black face
All across the board everybody comes out
In black face and they're like
Ah you knew it had to happen
I bet by the end of season one
Will know like 70 new names
For their indigenous people in Australia
All of them
Unusable
That reminds me
I would love to know
I would love to know what happened
When there was a woman on the show
Because I didn't get to that season
You said there was in season four a woman
It took them
There was one woman on season four
And Sean was like
You need a woman to keep them from doing
Like wacky in his place so quickly
And season four ends with her coming out
With a bike pump up her ass
That somebody else has put up their ass
Like is this it?
And that's the buzzer
The buzzer sounds on her waddling out
With a bike pump up her ass
And nobody laughs and they're like I don't know
Yeah
Season two there was a woman
And she's very clearly her personality type
Was just one of the guys type of girl
And so she did not change the dynamic at all
In fact one of her first bits is she goes up
And hands Jimmy a pair of her panties
And
He's like
And then they all look at the panties
And one guy goes oh these smell nice
And one dude says yeah she fucking does her laundry
So what
That's such a
That would have got me
That would have fucking got me
And then caught it was so weird
Let me tell you about the panties
So
They
One guy is doing a kimchi bit
Jimmy does a kimchi bit where
And he starts rubbing kimchi on his face
And he says oh kimchi
Fights the itchy
And like as like a dad
Like an aggressive dad joke
And everyone's like what the fuck are you talking about
And then someone wipes the kimchi
Off his face with the panties
And she does like a full emotional breakdown
Like theatrical crying
About how they ruined her panties with the kimchi
And so then
Fujimoto takes it over to the sink
And starts washing the panties
And for some reason
He starts like gnawing on it like a rodent
And people start reacting
Like why the fuck are you chewing on the panties
And he's trying
To reason with them like look
You gotta get in there with your teeth
And they're like that doesn't mean anything
They're all so pissed off
That he's decided to chew these panties
And then they're like you have a fucking wife
And you're chewing another man's wife's panties
And
I swear to god
This dude like gnawing on these panties
Like a rat
Yeah it is always great when they
I think only she got eliminated
I think she's the one who couldn't believe how funny it was
Oh no
Yeah like it
I like the ones when they pretend
Like they don't understand what's happening
That always kind of got me when they're like
Why are you doing this
You know why he's doing this
Pure raw animal desperation
That's why
Laugh or I will die
Yes
I think
We should point out that there is no winner
At the end of this
They all came here with theoretically
10 grand of their money
I'm not sure if they actually paid 10 grand of their own money
Or if that was like
I believe it
Punishment is such a thing
Yeah I read on Reddit that it wasn't true
But also like it wasn't fair
I couldn't corroborate that with anything
I like to believe that these guys
Literally lost $10,000 in their own money
Yeah this could have been a scam
One of them is just homeless now
I love the idea that none of the cameras are hooked up
Like they don't know
And then this guy walks away with their $10,000
Yeah
Nobody wins
And nobody gets any money
But the money is not refunded
And that's how they funded Season 2
You'll never convince me that isn't true
Because
At the end the three guys couldn't make each other laugh
And there was no like failsafe
It's like oh well
If there's more than one person left then
Sorry
So is there any season where there is just one winner
Because I feel like that would be extremely difficult to do
It is extremely difficult
And not all of the seasons have a winner
But later
Like Sean was saying he kind of riffs and builds rules
And so later seasons he builds like a point system
And where he tracks who gets the other guys to laugh
Oh that's way better
And they get a card
Then you get points
And if you all last
Whoever wins
The most like points
If it's a standoff
And even though Season 1 didn't have anyone who did this
It incentivizes
You know interacting and being aggressive
It's just doing this
So Season 1's
They're a little more passive
You can see everybody get way more aggressive
Just as it, because it's
And at this point
I have a question
About a bit that I would love to know
If you guys understood this because I didn't at all
Diasuke when
I think it was what is it called
Kuki brought a big flag of
Diasuke's face
And said that his fans made it for him
When he was ill and then hung it up
And it was like a big banner
Right
Was that anything
I didn't understand it at all
It's just kind of a weird thing to do
I guess
It's a weird thing to do
And it just sets, I think it's
I think what it actually does
What it accomplishes
And I wouldn't have said that was the plan
But it sets a really weird mood in the room for a while
As everybody tries to play and interact with the banner
Like this is our thing that we're
That we're gonna riff off of or do
And even if nothing comes from that
Like maybe the unfunniness
Or it might get somebody
It's just anything to put
Reactions out in the room
Yeah
I would like to see variations in this show
Where they're not allowed to do anything
Like they're handcuffed to a table
So no props
This is literally just saw
Now I just want to do saw
I want to do a funny version of saw
And then it's like a funny thing
Where they saw their own leg off
That old chest
Like I can't
It ends with somebody coming out and being like
You've been punked and then everybody
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