The Dogg Zzone by 1900HOTDOG - Dogg Zzone 9000 - Episode 30, UFC 1 Was a Magical Shitstorm
Episode Date: July 7, 2021Seanbaby and the Auralnauts' Zak Koonce share a keystone of their personalities with Brockway: 1993's UFC 1. The very first big, made-for-tv MMA tournament back before anybody had any idea what any of... that meant. The announcers were lost, the referees were out of their depth, the fights lasted two minutes, and everybody involved hated it. It was wonderful!
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Is Robert the Barbarian
Brockway
I almost died
I almost died the last time I heard that voice
I do have
A thematically appropriate Brockway fact
Here we go
I once challenged my entire strip mall
Dojo to Akumate
No follow up questions
God damn it I have so many follow up questions
Well
Joining us is our old friend
The writer of our theme song
Zac Coons
Yeah
Word
You are forced to bring that energy
Every time you're on a show now
Straight up
90s flavorflave energy
Yeah, I gotta like pitch shift myself
He's a little up there
He's a little above me
Jamie, could we get a little auto tune later
Like give him sort of a vocorder sound
Nice
My name is Zac
That's the kind of thing I want
Wanna harmonize it
Let's just actually
Could you do it to all of us
Through the rest of this podcast
At random times
You'll be more stay in the time
And then Brockway I'd like you to be Prince
I'll be Orshila E
And that'll be the podcast
No actually
I'm sorry for
That better idea
But here's the idea for today's podcast
Sometimes when I produce a podcast I'm just like
I'm gonna do something that's like my favorite thing
That's how we did the Bloodsport episode
We had Maggie Mae Fish on
We just talked about Bloodsport today
We're talking about Ultimate Fighting Championship 1
The very first one from 1993
I love it to this day
We all rewatched it last night
And I don't think anything holds up
With quite so much magic
I love it so hard
First time for me, not a rewatch
What a lucky night for you
First time watching literally anything
MMA related
Only sports related
You've known Sean this whole time
He's never brought you into the world
Of MMA
I love his articles on it
Let me just start a tape and see how you feel about it
I'll turn it off if you don't like it after 5 minutes
No, not yet
This was a good way to do it
Because I'm contractually obligated
To show up for this podcast
And that means I have to either watch it
Or maybe I'm just gonna bluff really well
If I start being like
This one
We would know right away
I loved when the capoeira
Guy
Kissing the feet
Of
Funny enough
There was once
Genki Sudo did just to fuck around
He did an entire fight as capoeira man
That's amazing
He beat the shit out of the other guy
He won the fight
When nobody knows anything about MMA
He just said them a highlight reel of Genki Sudo
Entrances and I'm like that's it
That's MMA
They do highly choreograph
Walk out with
20 people backup dancers
And he pop locks mid fight
That's a regular move
I don't know if you're ever gonna beat
Hoist Gracie's battle conga
I loved that
Every time he came out with 8 other Brazilians
In a conga line
That's the Gracie train
I got that back in the day
Battle conga please
So this
Brockway this was your first exposure to MMA
Just like it was me and Zach's
I'm sure first exposure to MMA
Is that true Zach?
Were you like a valley 2-do guy from the early 90s?
Not even
Only the movie shoot fighter which I think came out
I don't know when that came out
The only time shoot fighter appeared in my
Right
Well that was a knock off of blood sport
Yeah
This was 5 years after blood sport
Which they breathlessly
Marketed as a true story
So that was what we thought martial arts were
And then here comes UFC 1
5 years later to show
Actually it looks more like this
So Brockway was it disappointing to you
Or was this like
It was at once
Exceeding expectations
And wildly disappointing
I was so happy
I think they were trying to do blood sport
Like at the start the way they introduced it
The way they picked their roster of fighters
Where each has like a wildly different style
But it's all like
It doesn't even necessarily
Apply to I don't know
Combat sports I guess
So it was like picking a roster
Of fighters and I feel like
They were trying to make blood sport
And then it turned out
Like this and they were like
They learned during the broadcast
They just ended up being
Like oh right this was just a glorified commercial
For Gracie Dojos
I was going to ask if Brockway spotted that
Like one of the fighters
Was linked directly to the promoters
And I was going to ask if you
Like could with full cynicism and capitalism
Figure out what happened
Well I thought it was crazy
That they paused the match
To just like honor
Their father I guess it was
Yeah
It wasn't even the UFC
It was just like
It was like one of his sons wanted to honor
But then like nobody else got that time
It was just
And the crowd was livid about it
Oh they hated it
They told him to like go suck a dick
Like they were yelling
It was Denver, Colorado too
I'm very proud of my people
They were like just
You could smell the Coors light
Coming out of their words
So the whole broadcast team
Which was very poor
Like started talking about a thing we couldn't see
On our monitor about oh shit
Somebody's getting thrown out and like
Guys get it together
That was my favorite part of this
Was just how much the crowd hated it
Nobody was happy about coming to this thing
Nobody I mean
To be fair nobody had any
Any realistic expectations
Like if I had booked a ticket to this thing
Back in the day I would have expected quite
A really bloodsport I would have expected
Like oh I'm going to be one of those guys
In the background of Street Fighter
Like you know looping my fist in the air
And I would have been so mad at this
Well that's uh Denver did have a little bit
Of an expectation because they actually
Name dropped it a few times in this broadcast
But the Sabaki challenge was uh
I think may have been exclusive to Denver
I don't know I don't remember if it went
Further than that but it was like
More like Mortal Kombat they'd have Karate
Matches but then they'd break it up
With these like ice breaking challenges
And dudes were like savagely chopping through
Like you know refrigerator sized ice blocks
So it was like a martial arts mysticism
Yeah they had mini games
And it brought this like
Bad ass like fantasy element
Of martial arts to the audience
And so I think they were more or less
Expecting more of that
When did they break ice?
This fucking sucks
What are they going to test their might?
I hate this shit
And uh yeah the some
What's it called the Sabaki challenge
Sabaki yeah it's a S-A-B-A-K-I
And I think that's a their main competition
Is the Kyokushin which is
No punches to the head but kicks to the head
Yeah axe kick city
Yeah axe kick city chest punch city
So it's kind of a fun watch
But it's also very point karate like
Yeah so it's
And I don't think you're allowed to grab
So it's closer
Like what you would picture as martial arts
Before hoist Gracie showed you
Just jump on someone and wrap their
Wrap your sleeve around their neck
So uh yeah I love the way they
Marketed they called
They called the fighters street tough warriors
Which is just fucking good copywriting
And uh
I do want to talk about Bill Wallace
What was his name? Superfoot?
So is he before I
Go into any of my notes here
Is he like a badass fighter
Of history in the sport and that's why he's
He's on there? Yeah they call him superfoot
Because he was like he was known
For knocking people out with one of the most
Impractical
Kicks with his one super powered foot
Yeah his one super powered foot
And he was also a really cynical bastard
I remember seeing like
Op-eds from him in black belt magazine
Where he was just always shitting on other people's
Systems and styles
So he was kind of like a little bit of like a dentist leery
Of martial arts back in
The day and to see him on this was really sad
Because then he just looked like this
A kitten entranced by a laser
Like he just was not
The
Sarcastic bastard that I remember is like
Reading yeah I'm
Currently uh scratching
Out like a half page of notes
Because I don't know
Who Bill Wallace was but I was like
Who's the Mr.
Who's the Mr. Rogers motherfucker he looked like he got lost
He comes across like
Like he comes across like he's 120 pounds
He uh
Didn't know anybody's names but also more importantly
Didn't know anybody's like styles like he's like
Take Wandao like he's just like never heard these
Fucking words before
He also barely knew English it seemed like
And he would just kind of stop talking
His first language was Alzheimer's I think
Yes I have so many quotes that I
Wrote down after lost
He uh what
So their broadcast team cracked me up because
Bill Wallace was a champion right so their whole
Was like we got champions and didn't
Matter it didn't seem to matter what they were champions
Of so that's we get Jim Brown
Yeah Jim Brown
Who weirdly added the most
Grounded commentary the whole time
So much wisdom from Jim Brown so much humility
And yeah Jim Brown
Would you ever get in that cage and he's like
I absolutely 100% would not
Are you crazy he's like you wouldn't get in that cage
And Bill Wallace immediately got offended he's like
Kidding me I could do this
He's like pain doesn't hurt
Wow as an old man
As an old man who just got lost
And pressed into this job
I guarantee Jim Brown has better
Take down defense than Bill Wallace does
Yes
Yeah like Jim Brown is such a genuinely tough guy
With nothing to prove and Bill Wallace
Does not come across like that
And of course the other broadcast was Kathy Long
Who was a
Superstar female kickboxing in the late
80s early 90s I'm less familiar with her
But she has great 80s face like that's
A classic 80s face kind of overbite
A little bit
Yeah there's no bone structure like that anymore
They just don't make faces like that anymore
She looks like a rainbow bright
You know in flesh
There was another broadcast we haven't mentioned yet
And I think Bill Wallace called them out
For not being a champion of jack shit
Brian Kilmeade
Oh that's Rod Machado but also
Brian Kilmeade who you'd probably know
From Fox and Friends
He's the dumb one on Fox and Friends
Did he fucking disappear at some point
During this broadcast?
I think they lost him, I think they replaced him with Rod
At the desk
He just stopped showing up like part way through the broadcast
I was like what the fuck happened to Brian
Did he get like knocked out as collateral damage
I think he said he was a thumb wrestling champion
That was his come back to Bill
Yeah and he opens up
He gives a description of the cage
He's trying to talk about how like it's a
Strong cage and he's kind of banging it
So he basically describes something everyone can
Cleanly see
He makes the exact same joke as Rod Machado did
About how I gotta get out of here oh boy
It's as scary in here
They did that joke like four times in a row
We're a bunch of pussies oh boy
What you're about to see is no joke
So I'm gonna make a joke about it
And Rod Machado is
Known for his flying lessons
If you google his name you basically get
How to fly DVDs
He's an aviator, yeah
There is a famous Machado Jiu Jitsu family
But he's not a part of that
So they asked the wrong guy
Yeah I think they asked the wrong guy
But he actually did know some Jiu Jitsu
So when they're doing the broadcast
He would be on there, he's clearly had maybe one or two lessons
Because most of the stuff he said was dumb
But he's seen all this before
I know it happened, they had the wrong guy
But he didn't know that
He assumed when he got that phone call
They were like well you're a Jiu Jitsu expert
And he's like fuck yeah I am a Jiu Jitsu expert
I am Machado
I know that, I have barely told my wife
About these lessons I've started taking
But I do feel really good about them
I looked him up
Because I was suspicious
Because I saw the name Machado
And I was like well is he John Jock's brother
Is he a shill
For the Gracie family
Because he's really gassing him up a little bit
Here on the commentary table
He'd bring hoist back up again
When no one was talking about him
And I was like alright this guy's a plant
He might have been, yeah he seemed like
He was there to like promote the
Again this whole thing was a commercial
Because no one wanted to study Jiu Jitsu
If you said in 1992
Hey come to my school this is how you really fight
They'd be like dude I don't want to fucking
I'm a grown man I don't wrestle
Like I want to take karate
And so no one is going to their school
The grown men sport
And so this was a commercial
To prove that Gracie Jiu Jitsu worked
And it couldn't have turned out better
Generally a Jiu Jitsu match
Can get stalemated
Especially like when back in 1993
When everyone sort of sucked
And all the fights on this card were like
Two minutes or less
And as UFC went on
Like some of the early ones
There were fights that lasted 45 minutes
And they finally just said fuck it guys
You're not going to do anything let's just end it
Whereas that did not happen tonight
So this showed oh my god
This is how you fight and it's
And I need to learn that
And it worked now everyone studies it
That makes sense because by the end of it
I was just thinking like
Why does anybody do anything else
If this guy took his zero
He made a flawless victory
He had a perfect run
He was just running through his opponents on easy mode
But also they picked nobody
That could fight back against him
They got Ken they almost fucked up
Yeah they almost had a chance
He really had a chance
And it was kind of like
Them introducing unreal engine
They were like well why are we trying to make our own engine
Let's just use this engine and then we can all
Work on our own shit after that
Thank you for explaining it to our nerds
I speak their language
So let's talk about the first fight
Let's just get right in
It was Gerard Gerdeau from Holland
And he claimed to be a savant fighter
But he did a lot of stand-up
Karate
Real nice
Yeah he's got a great ear bite
And he was fighting
Taylor Tully
Who was a Hawaiian Simone guy
410 pounds
Nobody said that name the same way twice on this broadcast
Exactly a Bill Wallace
Fucking thought there was a G in there
Tyler Tool
Is it Tyler did you mean Tyler Tool
Taco Tommy
He's coming up on a
Here's one of the Bill Wallace quotes
He says about
Taylor Tully's style of sumo
You might have heard of sumo
It's a very formal sport
Because it's a very national sport
Of Japan
It's a very national sport
It's very national
Very national
It's the baseball of fighting
Gerard Gerdeau kind of looks like
The perfect casting of
Like the toughest guy in a prison's
White supremacist gang
He's like kind of dirtbag
Looking kind of dead eyes
Like he's been in prison 30 years
Does not look
Like an athlete looks scary but
I feel like
If you put him in a leather jacket
Liam Neeson is like 10 minutes away from killing
This guy
My notes just say meth uncle
He's got that too
A touch of Nazi
He's too Dutch for meth uncle I think
When he came down he did a
Savat salute which is what
Was called
When you do a google search for
Savat salute you get a lot of
Gerard Gerdeau matches
Because I don't know a Savat salute
I know in Savat you do sort of put your hand
Across your chest but he added the
Roman salute or Nazi salute
As you might call it
He hiled Hitler 8 times to each
Direction of the octagon
And then he like did like the bow
Then he did like put his hands together and bowed
You cleaned it up a little bit there
But I don't know if that was enough for me
I feel very uncomfortable now
Later his Korea added a bunch of tattoos
And he did end up getting a swastika on his right arm
So suspicious amount of Nazi on that guy
Savat salute
Somebody asked him
Like dude what's with the
Nazi symbol
Like oh it's a Buddhist thing maybe I don't care
He was very dismissive like oh dude who cares
Right the Buddhists still use that all the time ask him
Yeah he's like listen I went
I thought about what I wanted to get permanently on my body
I went to somebody I explained it to them
And I paid them to do it but who cares it's not a big deal
Right there is of course a Buddhist symbol
It's just a swastika but if you tilt it
Then you pretty much said to everybody
Clearly this is not that one
And it's tilted
It's tilted
So suspicious amount of Nazi
I mean it can't be really suspicious
If it's literally the first thing he does
He shows up
He hiles Hitler eight times
Yeah I wonder
I don't know anything about this boy
But I like his style
And he of course gets introduced
Another great UFC one
Superstar Rich
The G-Man Goins
Goins
I think this is a really unearned nickname
I think this is like calling yourself
Melvin, the pussy assassin, Elmore
I think this is like fucking
No way anyone's called
Rich Goins
The G-Man
That's my take on it is my point
Maybe it's like if he was in a frat or something
It could be their way of calling him a narc
Maybe
Oh yeah
Put the weed away the G-Man's coming
Yeah he's like hey that's right
I'm the G-Man you're okay yeah
Yeah you are, you're fucking hard
We had a guy in my fraternity
We called CB because he was a cock blocker
And he thought
He called him that because he had
like communication
equipment when he was like a night security guy
And we're like
Yeah, totally
Yeah, you're the
You're the man CB
He's just learning about
that now and he's fucking heartbroken
He's got to get a tattoo erased
He legitimately was
Like he would
scorch the earth if someone was doing
well with a girl and I witnessed this myself
I was once
flirting with a girl I ended up dating with for seven years
and the night we met we were just getting along
so well he followed her to the bathroom
and when she came out of the bathroom
he said dude that Sean guy
is a real womanizer
Oh yeah
Like with no chance
Like I think he went to high school with this girl
Yeah just assaulted for no reason
No shot with it
If he had they would have gotten together in the eighth grade
It was just like
just wanted to fuck up somebody else's night
So shout out to CB
Great job buddy
Fuck you CB
The official stance of this podcast
Yeah
We're way off topic
Jamie can you fix all this
Just auto tune it
Auto tune it all
Good stuff
So anyway he was a total cock blocker
Much like G-Man going
And so
This fight starts and
Taylor Tully just
It's a good demonstration of why you never do this
Oh man I love it so much
Right forward
Just go straight at him
He does the
He does the exact
E Honda slap
He just starts trying to thousand hand slap him
And I've never imagined it
In person and it was so glorious
And it was so fast enough
So quickly
It was his style
He came with his style
And he stuck to it to a fault
Yup
And young fighters at home
If you come straight forward
Your other guy can walk backwards probably at about the same speed
Punching you in the face the whole time
And that is what happened to Taylor Tully
Or you could just fall over
Which is also
He ran out of runway
If that fence wasn't there
He would have just kept going
He just plowed into the one thing
That was in his way and just fell down
Skipped off the earth at escape velocity
And he gave himself
He gave Gerard maybe one of the most beautiful
Kick targets in the U.S.
He didn't even try to block
He just sat there like that didn't work
Are you sure
Are you my opponent sure that didn't work
Do you want to reconsider and then just
Face tank this kick
It's a little Dutch foot
What's it gonna do to me
It is about as hard as you can kick somebody
Stationary head
Two feet off the ground
It was just like kicking a meaty soccer ball
Well I know what to do with this
Except it was filled with concrete
You didn't realize what
You thought it was just a soccer ball
And this is of course a very famous story
If you remember this night
One tooth goes flying into the crowd
And then the other tooth
It gets embedded in Gerard Gerard's foot
Oh that's what happened
Two teeth go out
And of course a small Hong Kong man
Took the other tooth and bit it
And then ran off with it
To check the carrots
He's in my top 10 blood sport characters
That guy
Excellent facial hair
Here's another great thing about UFC 1
Is nobody knew what the fuck was going on
So the referee calls time out
And this guy just got knocked out
By any measure
He's like let's see if this guy can continue
He stands up and he's like crying
His blood dripping into his head
His blood and tears mixed together
And he's like this is fucked up
I do sumo and I just got my skull cracked
In two spots
And he's like
The guy has no idea what he's supposed to do here
Am I supposed to like put a
Super glue his face back together and start it
If this doesn't end the fight what the fuck does
And so Horian Gracie
The guy who put all this on to advertise his style
Is there like screaming something
Either for the fight to go on or for the fight to stop
No one can figure it out
And the rest is gonna yell it back at him right
Yeah like they're having an argument
About what any of this could mean
And what anyone is fucking doing here
Because his assigned translator
Was the worst
Had the worst English skills of anybody
In the entourage
So it's trying to stop the fight
And somebody is like he wants a sandwich
He would like a sandwich now
She was adding things that people weren't saying too
So she
He said stop the fight and also
He's very happy to be here
Okay
He said
His favorite
Transformer is Starscream
Oh god he's going on about the Starscream guy
Okay now I actually heard the word
Starscream in there so I think that
I don't know he just said he's gonna start screaming
Because he has his teeth are gone
Okay yeah we got it
That um
I think
And I may be wrong about this
But didn't Tully end up being
Was he even forgetting Sarah Marshall
Later
He might have been
A guy that looks like him
Did he thousand hand slap Sarah Marshall
I think
He was trying to help
What's the big dopey white guy
Jason Siegel
He was like trying to get him back
On his feet romantically
I feel like that's just
Another Hawaiian guy that looks like him
Cause you're racist
I'm gonna look him up right now
I can't let this one
I can't be on this hill
If you're wrong you have to sing
One John Seikata song on the podcast
That's a callback to something we talked about before the show
Where is he
All cast and crew
Let's see if there's a Taylor Tully
There was another sumo guy in the UFC
Called Emmanuel Yarborough
And he showed up a lot
He was an extra in a lot
Cause he was like 700 pounds
Was he in shoot fighter
He does look like Buck
But again I'm racist
Into a corner
There's too much racism too close together
You are thousand hand slapping yourself
Into a corner
I'll circle back
On this one
Those sound like the words of a man
Who just found out he was wrong
It's possible
I have IMDB at home
He could be acting under a different name
There's all kinds of things going on here
He could have changed his name
Cause he saw Bill Wallace couldn't pronounce my name
So I better change it to Tony Tiger
Tomato
Taco Tyler now
So that was that first fight
It was like 30 seconds of
Furious head cracking
Followed by 8 minutes of argument
And booze
And now we moved on
And the broadcast team doesn't know what to make of it either
So they're just like trying to like
Explain the rules
And if I'm not mistaken Bill Wallace fucks it up
He's like there's no groin shots
No eye gouges, no biting
And there are a lot of groin shots
So I don't think they're right
And no eye gouging as far as I know
So that's something
So let's move on to the next fight
This was something really quick
I'm not going to say anything
I just want you to look at it
Holy shit
You were right, it is him but he changed his name
The Taylor Willy
Which is like the 8th thing that he got called in this
It all makes sense
Yeah, Bill Wallace christened this man
His new working name
Tim the demand Taylor
Oh shit, that's
That's a good job Zach
Guess who's not racist
I'm humble
Guess who can see through alternate identities
Just to not be racist
That changed his name to fuck with me
Next fight
Brockway did you predict this fight
Between Kevin Rosear and Zane Frazier
Yeah, I actually
At the start of this
Just as a person who knows nothing
About it except for maybe what I've read
From your articles and retained
I wrote down all of my picks
And I got every single one right
Except for Tully
I really thought the 400 pound guy
Would just strangle him
And lay on him
So I only got one wrong
So you saw these two guys
One of them a cranky potato
And the other one Billy Zane
Or Billy Blanks
The phantoms Billy Zane
Ladies and gentlemen he's here
I'm confusing the audience
One of them looks like Billy Blanks
No no no I got this one
You knew the potato was going to win
I thought he looked like
Vincent D'Onofrio sculpture made out of ice cream
Let's see
Let me find my notes
It just says all torso
He had his shorts pulled up
To squeeze the love handles
Into the pants
Jim Brown won the broadcast
Award of the night because he goes
The man is not in great shape
He just flat out was honest as could be
And he even
Confirmed it himself later
He's like listen I'm in terrible shape
I didn't train for this
But I do have fucking crazy draft legs
And I am just an orb
So I could take a lot of damage
He looks like
Oh this is a deep one
Come with me on this one
I've already seen those dogs born with a defect
Where they don't have a neck and it's just
Torso
Torso
He looks exactly like those dogs
That's him
He's a necklace dog
I thought he was more like an AT-ST
For all your nerds out there
He looks like
Half of a conjoined twin
Joined by the head
And the other one is 11 feet tall and finally got removed
I wrote down a Bill Wallace quote
About this fight
That Wallace says
You have a Kempo stylist
Against basically a kickboxer who uses the boxing techniques
Along with the kicking techniques
Of Taekwondo
The kicking
As a kicker Taekwondo is
I'm really upset with Bill for like blowing
This was his
This was his bread and butter and he's still fucking up
There is no way I could have guessed
That the guy had a background in fighting
Like everything he said was just like
You've completely
You were supposed to be like calling a dog show
Or something
You're someone's grandpa who got lost
He would absolutely be totally at home
Calling like the toy division of a dog show
But then he showed up to this thing
He had no idea what parts of the body
He's using the elbow
At the end of your forearm
The secondary elbow
Your hand
A hand punch chop
So
My favorite moment of the broadcast
He calls to Rich the G-Man Goins
And he
He throws to him as Ron
Goinzo
He's like
Let's go to Ron Goinzo
He has to just roll
Goinzo here
Co-host together
I can't fucking do it
I'll fucking
What a dickhead
You might have just been doing that to like
Establish dominance
Getting all the styles wrong
Getting the parts of the body wrong
Just to see if anybody tries to correct him
Because it's all bullshit
According to him
You should see if there's some saved
Like archived Bill Wallace
Blackbill magazine op-eds
This fight though was
I think what the Denver crowd wanted
Like this was
A lot of hockey fights
Like punch punch
And then they would rest on each other for just like a
30 seconds maybe
And then step back and just start throwing again
It ended with Zane just running out of gas
And
Kiven Rosier just
Hammer-fisting him
Like an angry deer just stomping on him
And just
Trying to prance him to death
I was like just seeing a brother go down like this
And just get like curb stop
By this big giant
Ice cream cone
This monstrosity of a man
He was driving a post into the ground
He was building the fucking fence in the country
This unsuccessful abortion of a man
He saved it though
I felt better about it because
When he was doing his post fight interview
He's kind of affable in a way that's like
He's the nicest guy
I could hang out and drink a beer with this guy
He's got a good sense of humor
He's like listen I'm terrible at interviews
Get the fuck away from me
After interview where all he was
Asked before he said that
The guy just said so what was your game plan going in there
And he went I don't know I'm bad at interviews
So
In his promo video he says my plan
Is to use my overhand right because that's
My trademark move
And then after he got his ass handed to him
For about two minutes before
His opponent just gave up
That was my strategy was to wear him down
Let him punch himself out
You fucking liar
He did open with the overhand right
He did he came out right out of the gate with it
Didn't end it that was his one plan
I'm out of ideas
Everybody after that
And then he had to recharge his special meter for the next three minutes
While he did nothing to defend his face
Right
And then unleashed deer style
Standing the taunt he said I gotta fill that fucking bar up
Taunt taunt taunt
I love it
He hit him with some nice moves
All he could say afterwards was they talked about how much punishment
Well he's great at taking punishment
Like that was his skill
He's like the real version of
Cole for Mortal Kombat
Do a callback to that last podcast
Great work on the callback
And that podcast
Just big meaty play-doh
On toothpicks
Great at taking punishment
Potato monster wins
Brockway knew it the whole time
Now Brockway was this
What you expected
What 1993's version of martial arts
Like
This one was more what I expected
Coming into it
I didn't expect for one of the men
To just be some sort of
I don't know fat bird monster
But aside from that
Yeah it went about as I expected
Because he was wearing clothing
There was no way to guess
At the very creative body that was underneath that sweater
So I just saw like a very large man
He looked larger than the other guy
They said he was a kickboxer
And the other guy was
Kempo Karate, is that right?
Yeah, Ed Parker's Kempo
If you ever saw the movie
Perfect Weapon, that's the featured martial art
Hell yeah
Yeah I took Kempo for like
Two months in a strip mall
May have challenged them
To the kumite because I had
No respect for them
Did they take you up on it?
No follow up questions
You can think that there's like a
Statue of limitations on this or something
You're right, that's my bad
I really like Imperfect Weapon
Let's talk about that for a minute
Where his style was punching people
Really gently many many times
And one of the main bad guys was
Immune to that like he's like
No I'm just like a big Korean dude
And I can like take little punches
I've studied punches
I have four armor and your blows only do four damage
So I take zero damage every blow
Like the sound designer
Like the power and the beefiness
He put behind Jeff Speekman's little slaps
Was fucking impressive
It sounded like he was like a
Transformer punching shit
Dude does he have metal fists?
What the hell is he hitting?
That was a thing that like never caught on
There was never like a perfect weapon too
There was not a string of like 50 hit combo
Kempo movies
Gently does a lot of 50 hit combos
But they look like they fucking hurt
Wow too
Jeff Speekman wore jeans and cowboy boots
You know he's
He did do Street Knight
That was the only other Jeff Speekman movie that got made
And I couldn't even finish it
Sweet name, yeah not a good movie but
Promising
Jamie can you auto tune all of this?
Street Knight
Street Knight
Just auto tune all of the unrelated tangents
We go on
That's how they'll know not to listen to that part
And start dancing
Now let's keep moving with the fights
I'm having a really good time by the way guys
I'm really glad we did this
The next fight was
Hoist Gracie vs. Art Jimmerson
In from his fights
Now this is some fucking
Street Fighter shit this guy wore a boxing glove
He wore one boxing glove
He's like I'm gonna do my boxing
There was like a misunderstanding there
Like he wasn't clear
On what was about to happen
So he's like can I wear one glove
There's a story here that explains all this nonsense
But I can't remember
I thought it was just so he could like
Throw a million jabs without breaking his hand
Because I think
I was gonna say the rules said they couldn't tape their knuckles for some reason
Oh yeah
And so he was like well I'm gonna break my hand on a human head
What if I wear a glove and they're like
That is yes please
That's the worst idea
I wrote down immediate loser with glove
As soon as I saw something
I was probably asking the Gracies
For permission to do that
Let's do this
Yeah Hoist could I personally
Could I personally ask you to wave this rule
That I could wear a mitten on one hand
Against you a world-class grappler
And Hoist who doesn't like getting punched
Was like absolutely
Yes of course
So he
Literally does not throw a punch
Hoist Gracie kind of has these funny little
Stomp kicks
And he was like oh I don't want to get hit by that little
Kick
He was so afraid of it
He kept running away from it
Yes
If that kick doesn't hit you in the dick
Or like your hyper extended knee
You're just not gonna notice it
Like even Hoist doesn't care
He's like I'm not I'm really not even
Fucking rotating my hip
He's just sort of vaguely stomping towards them
But it was enough and the guy never threw anything
Hoist takes him down and
Immediately gets them out
And the guy just
Taps out just because he
He's confused
Well he was trying to like
Grab him like he realized
At that moment
That he was wearing a boxing glove
He tried to grab him with the boxing glove
And it was just sliding all over a place
And he's just like oh no
No there's nothing I got nothing here
And so he tapped out because
You've never proven that you're an idiot
It's harder but everybody was so mad
Everybody was so mad
They weren't even necessarily rooting for one and the other
They were just mad that it sucked so bad
To look at
And later I think
He did an interview where he said that
He just didn't want to take any damage
So like his meant his corner was just like
Dude if you get in a bad situation
With this grappling bullshit just tap
So
I guess that was his way to not get humiliated
Or hurt but
One of the most embarrassing things that
He had a hard life
After that from what I remember
I think he went ahead and started taking jujitsu
He was like man fuck this
Never again
I would imagine
He had a great pre fight interview where he says
I punch hard I'm fast and I'm quick
I love the little interviews where
Every one of them has to be doing an exercise
And then turn to the camera and go
Ken Shamrock I can't wait to get to him
I was like that guy turned out to be a serial killer
Didn't he? If I didn't know anything else about him
Yeah Oh hi
Didn't see you there
Just working my lats
Just doing these fucking pull downs
Well looking straight in the mirror
They won't allow me to do steroids on camera
So I gotta do this bullshit
So
So that fight
The guy in one glove tapped to grumpiness
And
They start talking about hoist graces
Like this is an interesting choice
I do want to talk about
There's another comment Bill Wallace made about
The fashion of this
When he's talking about Gordo and how he didn't wear a shirt
Bill Wallace explains
Most people will be topless
They'll take their tops off
Simply because they don't want their opponents to grab anything
There's nothing there to grab
There's no upper hand type of
And that's it you think there was more
But that was it
That's what I mean he just stops
I'm done talking
That was my talk for now
Some guys know shirt
Others some shirts
But this is a no shirt for me
If you
So they're talking about the guy
Jim Brown says
He's a pure jujitsu man
And I love that
He calls him a jujitsu man
And he understood that this is
Something cool to do
He's not a mixed martial artist
He's a pure jujitsu
I'm starting to see a little bit
Of a kindred spirit in Bill Wallace
I think he may suffer from some major ADHD
Or something like that
You can't focus on one spot
And he'll start sentences
And then drift off and not know how to finish
I see what's going on here
I deal with a lot of this myself
I think he probably just took brain damage
His expression
Is always that of a horse
He's just been thrown a firecracker
It's always just blank
Startling and looking for a path to flee
Oh hey, yeah
It's just
It's a childlike wonder he had
Of someone with early onset Alzheimer's
Superfoot's dead
Because I cannot take Superfoot
I don't
I think he could take Superfoot
The name is dead to us
Or is he actually dead in life?
Maybe making fun of a dead man is what I'm hoping
We're gonna have to look it up
I actually didn't check if Superfoot was dead
I think he changed his name to
Taylor Willey
Taylor Willey
They call him megafoot now
Totally different guy
My fight career began
And ended with a white guy that couldn't say my name
And so I vowed
That didn't make this change
But the first thing he called me
Yeah
The biggest thing Taylor Tully had done at the time
Like he was not a big sumo guy
All of a sudden he's world famous
For being like 19 variations
Of T words
None of them being his name
And so people on street were like, oh, Tolabo
And he's like, no, you know what
Taylor Willey
The man with two fake teeth
I think Superfoot might suffer from this thing
Where he was asked to be an expert on a thing
He didn't know what the fuck anything about
So he's trying to sound smart
About a shirt
Jim Brown has seen shirts
Kathy Long has taken off her shirt before
She looks great with no shirt
Anyway
The point is
Can we get some links?
So like
He's trying to talk at an expert level
About this shirt runs out of steam very quickly
But like he's still got what 40 seconds
To fill much like I'm doing here
I'm talking about a person talking about shirts
And I feel like you get where I'm going with this
And there's no need for any of it
But here I am broadcasting
So I have to keep going and then I just say
Kicking and ended up rough
Well, before that he does say
We have the
The two strong boys of the evening
The two strong boys
These are the two strong boys
Of the evening
Yoo-hoo
Strong boys
I think strong boys of the evening is like
He's playing for jiggalos
He's all about size too
Because he kind of low key shits on
Kathy earlier
He's like, so what would you do in there?
He's like, well I'd use my speed because you're little
Oh, is this like
You wouldn't do shit
Because you're a woman
I thought that was like right on deck
I thought that was coming next
I think that she's like really assertive too
When he's like, yeah like it's a mile up
You got to worry about stamina
Like she's just like
Bitch, I'm not going to guess out
I do my jogging
What was she in for a shock when no one else
In this event shared her
Her training
Her enthusiasm for fitness
Philosophies, yeah
Coming up next is
Ken Shamrock and
Patrick Smith. Ken Shamrock listed as
Shoot Fighting and Patrick Smith as
Tai Kwondo
I wrote down Pat Smith's
Pre-fight little thing
It's great. He says
I'm the most strongest, powerfulest
Craziest guy
Out of all the groups I think
With my leg kicking knee
Powerful elbows and head butts
And choking and grappling party
And the resistant of feeling pain
Is what's going to come out to make me
The ultimate champion
I mean, I just
Amazing. These are the pre-recorded
They cut to a video clip of this
You had time to write that down
And think about it
I think Bill Wallace wrote it
And someone translated it into Spanish
And then back into English again
That's amazing
When he comes out
He was the local one
He was from Denver
I love when he comes out
Ken Shamrock the rest of the night
We got so mad at him
When he comes out, there's like 45 people
Because
It's just a drive
You get to be in my team
Whoever, the car wash guy
The guy that runs the drives around
The grand prize for this night
Was $50,000
You have to pay your camp out of that
If you're the first place winner
Right, but if it's just a drive
Then it's like 5 bucks
I'll go down there and be in your entourage
For 5 bucks
Pat Smith's
Kind of a dark horse
We were talking about
He claims his record is $250,000
That was some Frank Duke shit
Yeah, that's some Frank Duke shit
Unless he's counting these Kyokushin matches
Because they'll do these one minute little heats
Where they just kind of blast each other in the chest
With punches
And if he's counting each one of those
That he lives through as a win
Then like, okay
Because then he's fighting Ken Shamrock
Who has a real record
He's like 24 and 6
In a thing that
Was relevant
Yeah, exactly
They slapped each other in the face a lot
You're only allowed to slap the face
And
Bastrutin actually threw some pretty good palm strikes
That were, you know, dangerous
And they wore like shin pads
So the striking wasn't as deadly
Also, you could escape
Submission holds pro wrestling style
You could grab the ropes
But other than that, it was sort of an anything goes
Valley Tuto style
So Ken Shamrock has seen all of this before
He's not like Art Jimmerson coming up a fucking oven mid-on
And so
This fight
Got it
Ken basically gets an instant takedown
He lands some headbutts
Because this is back when you could just fucking headbutt people
Which I think they took away because of Mark Coleman
Like, I think they saw Mark Coleman
This 250 pound wrestler
He would get takedowns and then headbutt guys
And it just
Looking at it, there is no point
In doing anything other than this
This is the only move you'll ever need to do
He would just neck crank you and then headbutt you
While your spine was about to snap
Exactly, neck crank you to open up your guard
Headbutt, headbutt, headbutt, and like there's no way to stop it
And there's no reason to learn a second move
Yeah
But this is back, headbutts
And so yeah
Ken beats him with a leg lock
He just drops back
And what, 10 seconds later he gets the leg lock
Which Pat Smith seems to have not
Ever seen before
But he did get an axe kick to Ken's eye
Now as a total outsider
I had to make some assumptions here
Is it
Very embarrassing to lose to the foot guy move?
Not anymore
It seems super embarrassing to lose to the foot guy
He seemed embarrassed by it
And I think he also probably
Really got hurt because Ken put him in
A
Heal hook, so that's
He was actually cranking his knee
And I think he didn't know what was going on
So he didn't tap out right away
So I'm pretty sure he blew something
In his knees
We should say to the listeners
Zach, you're a well-practiced
Jujitsu man
I've been around, yeah
You know how to do it
So I started my journey not at a school
Because there was no Jujitsu places
When this came out
I saw this and I was like I need to learn this
I'm kind of trying to emulate what I saw on this
So Ken Shamrock's leg lock
Was something that I would try to do to my friends
All the time and I did it wrong
You're not, you don't hurt?
No, nothing yet?
I'm going to punch you in the face now
A fun fight tip
That's generally how you get out of a leg lock
If you're not like in a Jujitsu school
Do a sit up punch him in the face
Put weight on your foot
Punch him in the face
These are great, a lot of good fighting tips
For the listeners today
Man, everybody was so mad
I know he was the local guy
But also it really seemed like the foot guy thing
Played into
They were mad that he lost in what was perceived
At least as a very embarrassing way
It wasn't entertaining
If you've never seen that before
They were like
The announcers actually stopped
I don't know if it was after this fight
But they actually stopped for a while
To talk about how much it sucks to watch
They were just like
Well, the people out there, they don't see what we see up here
Where you can really see the strategy
So to them it just looks like two guys hugging
Your live mic right now
The mic is live
This is the broadcast
And you're talking about how much it sucks to watch it
That was weird here
Ken gets up and he starts talking shit
Like he's like, fuck you, I'll fucking break your leg
And so the crowd is booing him
He beat the local boy
And the thing he did was weird
But because he's now a dick
He's a bad winner
I don't even know why he did this
I couldn't quite see what was happening
It looked like maybe my assumption was that
What his opponent, I can't remember his name now
Pat Smith
Pat Smith was just mad
It was like, let's fight for real now
He was starting shit after it too
They were both trying to
Yeah, stand and fight me like a man
I've heard that before
You're like, no, I just beat you up
I was like, yeah, but not with punches
So it didn't count
That's not cool
And what Ken did was strategically really smart
If you can't break someone's guard
You just sit back and just rip their leg off
You're like, well, if you don't want to open these legs up
I'll just attack your legs then
And Pat does another thing
You'll see often in fights where
The other guy getting leg locked is like
Okay, I'll do this too and you'll see leg lock battles
God, it's
He was so confused like, all right, so he's got
Five toes on each foot
What do I do with these?
He should have just started tickling him
That honestly would have been a sound strategy
At that point
So I really liked afterwards
Because Brian Kilmeade, the doofus from
Fox and Friends is interviewing Ken Shamrock
After the fight and he says
What do you have coming up? What are you thinking about now?
Like he's just like asking him like
What are you doing?
What's your next project?
And Ken's like, I fucking have like
Two more fights, theoretically
Yeah, my favorite though, Ken was like
The man
During that interview, that's the most like
Like salient Ken Shamrock I've ever seen
He's like, how was that fight for you? He goes
Easy
He goes, why? He's like
He doesn't know submissions
And I was like, well, that was great
He should have ended the interview there
That was all you needed from Ken
Like, what did he think of the ring and he went, great
Yeah
He's like, go back to Japan
Shit sucks
And Brian Kilmeade said, there he is, a very happy man
And he's very clearly not
He's a cranky man, like Ken Shamrock
Has some emotional problems
I don't think he's happy often
That might have been sarcasm
I don't know, it's really hard to tell when someone is like
As stupid as Brian Kilmeade is like
When they're doing a bit
Then Rod Machado kind of comes into
Sort of, I guess, do damage control
And sort of explain to the audience and viewers
What the hell this grappling shit is
And so he's sort of explaining Jujitsu
And he explains to Kathy Long
That weight means nothing
And he wouldn't say that if he didn't have
A ton of grappling experience
So he knows enough to know
That weight can be negated a bit
But if you have to, of course, equal
Equally matched grappler
Size is a factor
I don't know, it seems obvious to me
But
Rod Machado is his expert opinion
As an aviation
Instructor
And possible Gracie Jujitsu shill
For the night
And so that was the quarter finals
And
Brockway, what are your feelings so far
Watching these first four fights
Your first four MMA fights
First four MMA fights in America
I was
Absolutely amazed
That this became a thing
From this
As their first showing
Nobody, nobody involved with it
Believe, nobody knew what they were doing
Everybody hated it
The crowd hated it, the people fighting hated it
There's no way anybody involved
With any of this thought there was going to be
A second one of these things
Everybody was just like, well this is a failed experiment
There should not have been either, there was just no
They were like
Trying to figure things out on the go
And they did not
Rules and stoppages
They didn't talk to anybody about any of this
Called in fucking timeouts after
Anaka
He's got no teeth in his head
He just wants ice cream now
That's it for him
My favorite part
Of the announcement came
At some point when they were reflecting on this fact
And the wisdom
I think it was Jim Brown that said
What we're learning tonight
Is that fighting doesn't look
Like what we think it looks like
So much wisdom
That was like the one true thing
That they said out of this
Jim Brown was saving that broadcast
Team's life
We learned that this looks dumb
And everyone hates it
I would argue no bullshit, this was probably the most
Like
Game changing event in martial arts history
Everybody hated it
So much
So I'm looking at it new
That thousands of years
Of martial arts theories were wrong
And
Just like overnight
The moment I saw this I was like
Holy shit, my whole world had changed
I became fascinated with it
There's nothing I was more excited to see at the video store
Than like a new UFC tape
Now I noticed
Blockbuster when they got a new one
It was time to party
Not a spin kick
To be seen
Martial arts can't be this wrong
You gotta get later
You have to develop your jiu-jitsu
So that you can kick safely
Did you get like Edson Barbosa's
And things like that later on in life
It became very clear to everyone
It's like oh if I want to be able to do my thing
I have to learn how to stop that guy's thing
Exactly
I'm learning that thing
I'm assuming it's only a matter of time before somebody showed up with a dim mock
And then it was just over
Dude, I think maybe UFC 4
We held on to that fantasy for 20 years
Yeah, there was like straight up a ninja
In one of these UFC's
He was like he trains in Newton Jitsu
And I was like he got arm barred so hard
His armpit almost popped out
His arm was so hyperextended
I was like dude you suck
They took away my caldrops
What was I supposed to do
The broadcast team said we don't know a lot about him
After all he is a ninja
The fucking best
I think on the same event
There was like a 5 animal style kung fu guy
Like it was
That was Jason Delusia
Wasn't it?
Yeah, and he like had that written down
But that dude was a Gracie guy
From way back in the day
He went to their fucking
Redation Arrow gym to like challenge them
He's on one of those early Gracie tapes
So it sounds like 5 animal style
But that dude was
The biggest threat to Hoyce at the time
Because he'd seen it before
And was desperately training in it
Like every chance he got
So he said 5 animal style
But that's not what he put on display
In the ring
That's what you see with these martial artists
In this UFC 1
They could come in and say whatever bullshit they want
Even in the subsequent UFC's
We had like Hawaiian bone breaking
Everyone has their own system
And it's like
When you're fighting a dude
Like kickboxing
Your elbows get close to your body
Your hands get close to your face
Your stance gets a little wider
And you just look like a boxer
Like that's it
That's every savat
Kung fu
Taekwondo
Everyone just looks like a kickboxer
After a few hits to the face
You know, it's
Cheat Kundo
Except for Genki Sudo
So now we're going to talk about the semi-finals
The first one was
Gerard Gardeau
Who beat Taylor Wille
Versus Kevin Rosear
Who beat Billy Blanks
And by Potato Head Stomper
Billy Zane is out
Yes Billy Zane, Phantom Billy Zane is out
So Gerard already has a broken right hand
Like he's
It's fully swelled up
He doesn't seem too mad about it
Or no more mad than usual
And Kevin has like
A half a jar of Vaseline on his left eye
Because he won the first fight
By letting the guy punch him in the face till he was tired
He just turned into half a jar of Vaseline
That's just
So Kevin
Gerard's hand is wrapped up
So they're almost like trying to contain
The swelling with bandages
His hand just looks like dark man
I was like dude, this is
Go home, it's over
It's like getting purple
Planned hand to fight with
There was an enemy in Cubert
He sort of looked like a little
Jellybean man with arms and legs
And he kind of like wiggled at ya
That's how Kevin moved
He looks like a fucking Shrek mocap test
I've got a
I've got he
I've got he moves like a monkey running downhill
That's poor guy
You guys only came up with roasts for this guy
Why did he run like that though
He held his arms above his head
And just kind of
Sauntered at him
So here's why
He looks like somebody built him in spore
Aww
You guys got some good ones on this guy though
That's so perfect, I feel like he'd be okay with this too
You guys, you got me
You're not wrong
Gerard has got like real tight
Footwork
He's a Dutch kickboxer, they love that shit over there
Yeah, they're great at it
Gave his Alms Rover in
Here comes fucking
Cubert's enemy just
Goblin' at him from random angles
Just
Outclassed so hard, he's beaten his ass with his broken hand
Like he's just like
Well, I'm not even gonna use the good hand
He just
Pound him into it
Levelling him with right hands
Measuring it, just pop
Right down the middle
He seemingly has no defense against punches
He's this super heavyweight
Kickboxing champion of many years
He sounds very decorated
It seems like a punch should have come up
At this point in his life and it's just like he's never seen it before
Just fucking getting nailed
And
It's over, they talked to Kevin
In the post fight, it's rare to
Sort of talk to a loser like this
And this was such a great
Post fight because there's this guy that
Early UFC fans will recognize
His name is Charlie Anzalone
And he was his manager and he's hanging out
With like fucking merchandise
He wouldn't shut up
He used to sell hats and shit
Shout out to Buffalo
There's a
I want to tell a quick, I think it's probably UFC 8
Somewhere around there
There's a dude named Harold Howard, you know that guy, Zach?
You remember him? He had a big
Blonde mullet, he wore a karate gi
He
Did it like a somersault
Because Tom Lawler did an impression of him
At a weigh-in, yeah, he also did
A cosplayer too, by the way
I love filthy Tom Lawler
Yeah, Tom Lawler, some funny shit
So
Harold Howard like advanced to the semifinals
Where he was actually supposed to fight Hoyce Gracie
But Hoyce Gracie like went blind
From the previous fight, like he got so fatigued
That he like went blind and he couldn't come out
So Harold Howard was like
Really upset that he didn't get to fight the great
Hoyce Gracie and he in his corner
Charlie Anzalone, the dude trying to sell merch right here
He comes running out
Super excited that he won the fight by disqualification
And Harold Howard is like stomping his foot
Like a cranky six-year-old
And Charlie Anzalone
Like mid-cheer sees this
And adjusts his energy to him
So he's like, yeah, I'm so mad about it too
And it's one of the funniest
Goddamn things
I don't know why, Jamie we can cut that whole story
What a pointless story
I just, I love this character
He's in like 40 different UFC's
As like one of those maroon-jacketed
Like security guys
So he like fucking
Lampreyed onto this early
And like made a career out of it
For 10, 15 years
I think my second favorite part
About this post-fight interview is that
Without saying it, he just says
Fuck mixed martial arts
I'm going back to where I feel good
Where I excelled
He's like karate tournaments, whatever you got
Come at me, I'm coming back
I need to put this
Elb far behind me
But he got the shit kicked at him twice
By striking, like
I don't know where he went that he's never seen this
Striking, it's not like Gerard Godot did
Some sort of secret technique
He punched him with straight punches to the face
The kind you would teach someone on the first day
Of karate class
Well, he also shut him down with like two
Really hard leg kicks that
If you're doing strip ball karate
Right, it's a classic Dutch combo
You just do
Left, right and a low kick
It's just how Dutch people say hi
And he did that to him three times in a row
Every shot landing
Full power, just like
I think he tried to fire
Back with his own leg kick
Which is a really bad idea
If you've never thrown a leg kick before
In a fight is not the time to train yourself
How to do it, because you're just going to hurt yourself
More than you're going to hurt the other guy
Sign that he's super green
Because that's something early students do
When they get kicked in the leg
I'm going to kick them back in the leg
I use that to fuck with newbies
Yeah, you bait people and do what they want
And so to see him do that
After claiming to be a five-time world champion
Super heavyweight kickboxer
I'm like, are you sure buddy?
What does that mean?
If you do anything that's sort of outside
Of
More reserved shots
Like if you try to head kick someone
They will immediately try to head kick you back
If you try to superman punch somebody
They will immediately try to superman punch you back
There's this internalized
Fuck that
Inside of us that we have to
Train ourselves not to give into
And it's hilarious if you can
Make that work for you with someone else
I'm starting to think karate guys
Aren't entirely on the level
Some of these guys might have been
Exaggerating a little bit
I think you might be right
Yeah, there's some guys that would come to the UFC
Say they're 500 and 0
Get fucked up in the UFC
And then come back to the next UFC
And still be 500 and 0
So I also don't think they're like good at math
That one didn't count
There was a guy
I feel like his name is Travis
Something, he's like a weird
Like a MMA unicorn
He will fight anybody
And he legit had like
MMA fights under his
Travis something right
Not Looter, it's a
Ah man
I think I wrote about this guy because he fought this dude
Who like came out
And he was like 100 pounds lighter than him
The fucking replacement guy
The Taekwondo guy that was an alternate
Yes, that's the guy
And he got like suplexed
And his fucking bones like all got misaligned
Yeah
It was fucked up
He looked someone like pulled an old man out of his wheelchair
And like snapped in half
That guy's worth looking into
Because he's one of the few guys that had like
He's 610
And it was like those are all MMA fights
This guy does not stop working
He's so hungry
There's Jeremy Horn
He has three videos for the fights
But this Travis kid I feel like is
He may have like had the record for most MMA fights
At one point
I think Jeremy Bullock was the guy
That shouldn't have been in the ring with Travis
Right
I can't remember Travis's last name
Taekwondo dad
Taekwondo dad
So the next fight in this MMA was
Hoist Gracie vs Ken Shamrock
This was like the main event
This was the fight that everyone was hoping would happen
Ken was the only one that had a prayer against Hoist
And
Honestly looked
Pretty pathetic
Like Hoist like shot in for
Like take down
Didn't quite get it but like
Just kind of fought and in the scramble
Like looked stronger and better
And just completely dominated him
To be fair though
It's like the most fight anybody put up
That night
I agree it didn't look like much
It was just like yeah you're clearly outclassed immediately
But
That's the most anybody has defended
Hoist has made fun of this a lot
For this a lot too
They call that the blast double
When you just shoot for a double leg
From across the ring without any sort of setup
Very dangerous
Yeah I was wondering like what happens
If anybody just lifts a knee
And then you do it yourself
We saw what happened because
Ben Asgerin was on the receiving end of that
That's right
The fastest knockout in UFC history
I think fastest knockout that will ever be
Yeah possibly
Oh yeah you talked about that one
Yeah we talked about it on the Bloodsport episode
Yeah that's what happened
That's what happened to Hoist Gracie
Today if he tried to fight the way he did
In this UFC
Yeah it's
Looking at it now like with modern troops
It's too like knowledge
It looks real bad it looks like
Day one shit
But nobody had any idea what to do about it back then
Yeah it's true
Why is he grabbing me it's weird
I mean it was just a primitive time
In this sport
When you could send the worst Gracie
In your family
I don't know if it's a legend or if it's actually been
Said but it's
Why do they believe that he's the least talented Gracie
In the family this was his shot
Like they were all decorated at this point
For different Japanese tournaments
And you know Brazilian champions
And it's like we gotta get Hoist something
Let's go to a place where no one's ever heard of him
And give him his big chance
Because he looked fucking miserable the whole time
Like he did not look happy to be here
He always does look really sad
He gets on top of Ken and
He gets a rear naked choke
He pulls his own sleeve to get his hand in a position
It's real slick and like
No one knows what's going on
The crowd is confused
The announcers are confused
Ken is tapping the fuck out
Like he must have tapped like five six times
And the ref just is not paying attention
So Hoist lets him go just
To not murder him
And Ken for a very long time considers
Cheating to consider saying
Yeah okay let's start it over again
And he like catches himself like
Oh you're right
Wait they're filming this huh
They probably saw me tap the mat
Tap you
Hoist is in that very aggressive
Like you tapped, you fucking tapped
Like he's dipping his head in
While he's saying it for emphasis
Don't even try it I will choke you out again
Yeah he
You could see Ken change gears
And then in the post fight interview
Instead of being like a cocky asshole
I'm the third best guy here tonight
He's the better man
I'm gonna hope I give him a better fight
You know it's like super humble
All of a sudden that he just
Hoist beat the dick out of him
Well that happens when you've been humbled
You tend to be humble
He was leg hunting
I was very surprised that
He was so easily
Choked out like that
He just gave up his back in a way that looked like
Maybe you're not such a great
Shoot fighter I
Thought you had this experience
I don't know
And like I say Hoist looks stronger even though
That's plainly ridiculous
Ken must have had 80 pounds on him
Maybe only 50 or 60
But like a mountain of muscle
Pure muscle, weight advantage
Yeah that was
Whatever
That's so hard he turned into a decent guy
For like 5 minutes
He almost did kick his ass
He does the little
My favorite early jiu-jitsu thing
The little baby tantrum kicks to the back
When you're in someone's guard
Is that doing anything?
Those are cute
Steven Seagal does that
What movie is that? Hard to kill maybe
Some guy takes him down and Steven Seagal
Just devastates him with kidney kicks
Oh yeah he probably like
Broke that guy's ribcage from behind
He just coughs blood all over him
Oh my god
Great scene Steven
I'm gonna pee blood for a week but it's worth it
To work with such a legend
Keep that in the movie
Gracie Jiu-Jitsu
We do a very humanitarian
Headbutt
Demonstrates superiority of a Jiu-Jitsu
Jiu-Jitsu
Was there
Speaking of movies
Legend has it that they
Consulted the Gracies on the first lethal weapon film
Is that
Is there any truth to that?
He did choke out Mr. Joshua
Like with a triangle choke
I guess that's who you'd call then
Yeah
Mr. Joshua
Gary Busey as a
An unstoppable threat of violence
Just keep in mind you've been auto-tuned
This whole time
Oh yeah I hope so
It's the only way to save what I just
The path I just went down
Listen I don't know a lot about fighting
But uh
I was pretty confused by this next fight
Where there's like
20 Brazilians against an old man
Is that right?
Is that when they gave the plaque to Helio?
Yeah I didn't get this fight
I didn't really get what strategy
These 20 Brazilians were using against the old man
And how he won by doing nothing
Yeah he's just that good
He's like Yoda
Uh yeah this was
A strange thing to stop
In the middle of this fight for a bunch of hailbillies
To give a plaque to
An ancient Brazilian man
Who invented this style they just fucking loathe
Yeah
They hated it so much
Everybody hated this event
There was something must have happened
Mid-speech though because they went from
People saying get the fuck out of here
To suddenly they're cheering
And I feel like Gracie
Strong men just pulled guns out on the audience
And they're like one more fucking word
Well there were some cheers
But I think it was just like all the Brazilians
That they brought were just piled up
Front and started being as loud as they could
They got air horns prepared
And it was a very festive environment
All of a sudden
You brought a plaque to
You brought a plaque to this for
This whole thing was so like
Put on it was strange
It's so weird
Yeah
This is the tell right here
If there was any other doubts that these guys are behind
This whole thing
And it's just a big commercial
That's this moment
Settled it
I was talking about UFC 1
In a room with a bunch of fighter guys
This man, if Taylor Tula would have won
Then we'd all be studying sumo
And they all agreed
That was a real fucking smart thing to say
In that universe
Which I wish for every single day
He can still be called
He wouldn't be called Tim Tuleman Taylor
Or Taylor Wiley
Or Taco Tommy
He'd still have that name
Let's talk about sumo
He meant that shit
He thought he was the wisest dude in the room
The last fight
Was Gerard Gardeau vs. Hoist Gracie
So
Gardeau has now beat Amanda Death with his broken hand
He's got a tooth of a sumo guy
Still lodged in his foot
So he's covered in tape
And broken bones
And Hoist hasn't been touched
He's not even tired
I think he's fought a grand total
Of like 48 seconds
Yeah, and all of it
Was just gently wrestling people who didn't know what they were doing
So Hoist obviously starts the fight
With just a lunatic takedown
Just a sprinting from the other side of the cage
Like straight into his knees takedown
And Gardeau blocks the takedown
I don't know if that's instinct
Or his Muay Thai training, but he stayed on his feet
And then he bites him in the ear
Because he's a fucking Nazi
And he doesn't care
In fact, the only other fight he ever had
After this night's three fights
Was a couple years later in a Japanese
Valley Tudo event
And he fought a guy named Yukina Kai
And he gouged his eyes so badly
That like, he's permanently damaged
Like he's fucking almost blinded a dude
And they told him that like, dude, you almost blinded that guy
He's like, I don't care
Like a Nazi might
I used to give this guy so many props
Because from my memories, it was like
Oh, this, like, I even thought he was French
And I remember this French guy fucking had a broken hand
Which was punching people with it
He was a badass, now I'm just like, everything was a lie
This guy's a Nazi
Wasn't even French
They keep talking about what a gentleman he is
Through this, they're like, he's the classiest guy here
What a gentleman
Because he doesn't say anything, so they just assume
They just give him the benefit of the doubt
But then he bit the guy's ear
He shakes hands with the ref though
I don't know if it's this
This match or the previous match
His hand was already broken
And the ref shakes his hand and he just does it
I was like, alright, that's a pretty badass
Like I, yeah, this guy's a fucking Nazi
But his hand is like
Very polite
It's a light to the point of physical pain, good for him
And so
Hoist eventually gets the take down
After, you know, he gets his ear bit
And he's doing head butts to the back of his head
Which is fucking sweet
And then, you know
He gets him in the ring to make a choke
And he holds that thing
Far past
Lethal length of time
It's about three human deaths worth of
Chokey holds after he taps
He's like tapping and tapping and tapping
And he's like, no, you bit me
I'm going to kill you here in front of everybody
He taps everything
He can reach you when it stops working
He's like tantrum tapping after that
He's like banging the ground with both hands
He's so pissed that this is how he's going to die
But also just where is a referee?
Why? This is the second time
That a referee is just like
Because there's no rules! They didn't establish that
Hey, if you're in trouble, tap out and I will stop the fight
Nobody went over that
In the pre-meeting, I guarantee you
That was not a conversation anybody had
There was so much confusion about when to stop
The earlier fights, I do not believe
For a second that tapping out
Was ever discussed
Somebody yelled at him
Somebody yelled at him for that time out earlier
He's just like, fine
Somebody's dead
That'll be on your hands
And he receives the grand prize
Of $50,000
Which is...
Seems small, I guess
For this much CTE
And then, of course, Jim Brown says
Fighting ain't what we thought it was
Which is so
Simple and wise
And I love it
They all realize and accept
Yeah, this sucked
This sucked, everybody hated it
We hated it, the fighters hated it
Bad job, everybody, bad job
But you could sort of feel Bill Wallace
Pushing against it
You'd see a lot of people do this after UFC
They had rules, it's not real fighting
They're still trying to hold on to
Their preconceived notions
Or whatever their shitty style is
Jim Brown's like, nope, it's all gone
All that shit is gone
He was the only one that knew
I love it, it's so sad to me that he's
He got so weird in his old age
He was the right man for the job that night
Absolutely
He was a great fireball
Fireball, the last season's loses
I think
He also received what was
The first and probably last UFC
Metal, did that ever show up again?
Oh yeah, I don't think so
I don't think he's the sole UFC
Metalist
And I think the $50,000 check
It wasn't too much
That bounced
Because it was just from his family
Going right back to his family
After that night
It was a month of his towards schools
Sign-up fees
That was the real money
Yeah, everybody
After this
Why would you do anything else?
What was it?
End of competition
We found the best thing to do
And it's this thing
Go open up a gym
Go do whatever you need to do
Well, this was
A great time
I think we should get together to discuss
UFC won seven times a week
For the rest of our lives
Before we go, is there anything you'd like to plug?
And pitch
Pitch?
Well, I did pitch
Robert, on your Twitter
I brought back up the old conversation
Sean and I had about
Remaking Arena
The sci-fi martial arts movie
Human vs. Alien
I just rewatched it
How good is that movie?
It's so good and it holds up
It's just as dumb as I remembered it
The power of real-earth karate
Was in him the whole time
He didn't need handicaps
He didn't need any special space mutants
With his own two hands
I just love that he slapboxed
Like a grasshopper
Yeah, he couldn't move
He couldn't cut an angle
So we're
Remaking Arena
But with Brazilian Chuchitsu
Right
I still think we should keep
Traditional martial arts styles
I think we should have like
Karate
Jumped in the trees and hit the coconuts
A coconut guy
A jungle coconut guy
A moon jungle with alien coconuts
The stakes are going to be
Way higher
You'll know what we mean
You'll see him and you'll be like
I know who that guy is
And I'm not comfortable with it
But whatever
This is the ninth time I was racist
On this one single podcast
Bloodsport did that man
Bloodsport scene
That's out of your hands
We're going to auto-tune
Every racist thing you've said
So
We made a parody video
We launched yesterday
We just farted it out
This shit was really funny
You say you farted it out
But that was good
Stopped everything else we were doing
Let's do this because no one's going to give a shit about this show
In two weeks
There's a new Netflix show
Coming out called
Sexy Beasts
They pitch it themselves
As the Masked Singer meets Love is Blind
It's a bunch of hot-ass people
Who have nothing to lose because everyone's fucking hot
But they're all wearing outrageously
Done-up special effects costumes
Like Dolphin people
And Scarecrow men
And they have to go on dates
There's a lot of nightmarish
Things happen in there
And so it's dumb
Because the show doesn't matter what they look like
Everyone's hot, everyone's going to get laid
It doesn't fucking matter
There are no stakes
So we just changed it
The stakes are that actually one of them is not wearing makeup
And so nobody knows who that is
And so we made the trailer based on that premise
So go check that out
Arl Nott's Sexy Beasts
Parody
So you say oral Nott's
You fucking say it
Oral
Oral
I think we could combine
These two things
Arena
But with Sexy Beasts rules
I'm going to see how the show pans out
Because they're all wearing masks
There's probably going to be a lot to work with there
So we might just be able to redub
Our own version of Arena
On to this show
That's it
Funding approved
Yeah
Nice, glad you guys are in
So investors
Whatever you need
200 million dollar budget
That's
We'll get that back
Just in Eastern European distribution
Like it's fucking
That's sold
$100 that will definitely be on screen
I can't speak for the rest of it
I just really want to watch somebody
Fuck that giant grasshopper from Arena
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