The Dogg Zzone by 1900HOTDOG - Dogg Zzone 9000 - Episode 93, Bloodsport 2: Bloodsport 1 Again with Vanessa Guerrero and Zak Koonce
Episode Date: September 28, 2022Brockway calls for the toughest fighters on earth to podcast about a movie about the toughest fighters on earth. Seanbaby, Vanessa Guerrero, and Zak Koonce answer the call! It's Bloodsport 2 (the seco...nd podcast about the first Bloodsport).
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I'm Robert Brockway of Brockway Reukerati
And with me is world record holder
For fastest headbutt with nose explosion
Sean Baby
Okay, USA
And joining us today are our guests
Undefeated surprise Kumite champion Vanessa Guerrero
Thank you, thank you very much
I specialize in specifically dim-mac
And it's one you've never heard of
And I learned it in a strip mall
All surprise, all surprise all the time
Ambush Kumite
And
The only man who has defeated
56 consecutive Kumite referees
By knockout
Zach Koontz
It's my go-to move
I grab him, I throw him at you
I hide behind him
I use that
I've diversified with how I use the ref
56 times
There is no point to a referee
If you can grab him and hide behind him
Like if that does not disqualify you
Like what is that guy there for?
You could swing them like a human club
I wish there was something I could do about this
I'm honestly just here to mop up the teeth
He failed to stop Chong Li from killing a man
Like he was about as useful as a UFC one ref
Yeah
Well, there's no way to guess what today's podcast is about
But before we get to it
I would sincerely like to know where I could find more
From each of you guys on the internet and beyond
Vanessa, how about you go first
Hey, first thing I want to plug is something that's been
On hiatus for a bit, but it's coming back
And that is my podcast, kicking and screaming
It just kind of took a backseat to everything else
And it's the thing that I love doing the most
We do double features of horror movies
And martial arts movies
But that involves watching like four hours of movies
Per episode
So we are coming back
I'm very psyched
Hopefully teasing something that's going to be happening
Down the line
But maybe doing live screenings of some of these double features
And then you can also find me on G4TV
I host and produce a show called Vibe Check
And then I kind of do everything else
In the world
I got to say you have the best title
And tied to premise for a podcast
Behind the Dog Zone 9000, of course
Yes, Dog Zone 9000 is the apex
It tells you everything you need to know
Dogs in zones
To the 9000 degree
Alright, Zach, how about you?
I have no problem explaining to my friends and family
What the Dog Zone is whenever I suggest that they listen to it
So I concur
I have got a YouTube channel with my buddy Craven
Called Arlenauts, A-U-R-A-L-N-A-U-T-S
Right now we're working on...
Oral knots
Oral knots
That's the one, yep
Just like he says it every time
I love that
Really round out that hope
Yeah
Larry Kenobi is fucking good
Larry Kenobi is what we're doing
We're redoing the Obi-Wan Kenobi series
With our version of Obi-Wan
Who is a grifter scumbag
Who's known for dropping fake names
But never changing his last name
That's the joke
I don't know
I feel like our version is probably...
I feel like our version of Obi-Wan
Is canonically more consistent overall
I think the source material
That may be a big talk, but...
Just a dirtbag traveling the stars
Sampling local drugs
Getting his dance on?
Getting his dance on
And there's probably no need to ask this
But does this entail thousands of hours
Of careful expert level video editing?
God damn it, too much
That show gets worse and worse
I didn't have a problem with the show
When I first watched it
But when you tear it up
And put it under a microscope
You'd be surprised to find out
It doesn't hold up very well
Yeah, this is a real artistic note for you, Zach
There's this lighthearted, fun feel
In the tone of the art
But I can feel the exhaustion
Like, I'm like, God damn
Because you can hear different voices
I'm like, oh my God, this guy
Fucking called his voice actor friends
And went over to a studio
And recorded those two lines of dialogue
And then stitched it together
With 15 different episodes
I'm like, oh, I'm just saying
I can see the work
It's great, though
Yeah, you can really hear you guys dying
Yeah, I can hear the struggle
We're just...
Spending your life energy for us
It's Obi-Wan's arc
So it really helps sell the character, I think
And it gets...
It's only a feeling that intensifies
As you watch when you realize, oh my God
They've incorporated an entire fucking narrative
With this chopped-up footage
Like, oh fuck, there's callbacks and shit
Like you made a whole movie
Out of chunks of movie
That's always tough, too
That fine line of how far up our own asses
Do we want to go with these callbacks
But you want to be consistent with the narrative
But you also don't want to be too like...
If only you understood what was really going on here
You'd feel really good about yourself right now
So Larry, I think it's going to do a great job
Of showing how someone who looked like you and McGregor
Turns into Alec Guinness in less than 10 years
Yeah, that's a thing, huh?
He's got a lot of living to do
None of it is good
A lot of tax evasion?
Is that an Obi-Wan thing or a new McGregor thing?
Oh, no, like an Alec Guinness thing
I would have got it
I would have got that eventually
You're so close
Well, as you can plainly tell
Today we're discussing the 1988
Jumping Split Kick Masterpiece Bloodsport
Now, hold on
I know what you guys are saying
You got... this is the audience
This is what the audience sounds like
You guys already did a Bloodsport podcast
And it was amazing
It changed my life
And I thank God every day you did it
And you're right
We already did a Bloodsport podcast
With our audience rules
Yeah, so what?
Did you think there was only going to be one Bloodsport podcast?
What the fuck?
There is way more than one Bloodsport in our world
There will be many more than one Bloodsport podcast
I think it has to be every time we watch Bloodsport
We do a podcast about it
Sold
Yeah
Like, honestly, you guys are lucky
We're the 15 behind
Yeah, we're lucky that this is anything
Not Bloodsport related
And 15 behind
We might be correcting that right now
Next 15 episodes, let's just go back to back
Clearly this would be a better podcast
Of every single week
We just got together and talked about Bloodsport
But I guess real quick
There might be people that don't know what Bloodsport is
Like, I don't want to associate with those people
But they might be listening to this
And I guess we should tell them
And I have a special message for you
Fuck you
Feral Cats is the new thing
I am so sorry
I'm having my husbands put her away
She will not stop shutting up
Here's the thing
She really believes in dim back
She really...
She spent a lot of time
And a lot of money on it
And I think she's in like a sunken cost fallacy thing
Right now
And I need to let her think that it's effective
I think she's just doing the cat version
Of kumate
Kumate
She is, she's chanting kumate
I knew where we were going to get there
Sooner or later and I'm glad it's sooner
Alright, Bloodsport
It's the story of Frank Dukes
Superhuman karate dispenser
And a secret military weapon
Ninja Frank Dukes
Who uses his leave to
Fly to Hong Kong
To participate in the kumate
A no holds barred fighting tournament
Possibly to the death
If Chong Li is feeling fun today
Never clear if that's okay or not
It's like frowned upon sometimes
But other times it kicks ass
He's pursued by military police
Who can't risk America's most powerful weapon
Which is, again, Frank Dukes
Getting hurt in this competition
And right away like you can't, you learn
You can't question Bloodsport from that moment
Because if he's like so valuable to our country
That he's our greatest weapon
What the fuck are they worried about?
Like yeah, just get over there
No faith in their greatest weapon, yeah
I mean the US military
Does not like to share its toys
Yeah, you were worried they would reverse engineer a van dam
Yeah, that they would make another van dam
That they would be able to figure out
The genetic construct of his fists
And make a second one
But with a robotic eye
Maybe that's what like that guy from
Step by step was
He was like Brussels trying to
Reverse engineer another van dam
From the van dam we stole from
You talk about Sasha Mitchell from the kickboxer sequels
Yes
Or as I like to call him
That guy from step by step
I locked on step by step when they would suddenly
Break into a kung fu fight
And you're like, okay Sasha, yeah
Yeah
You're kickboxer too
Yeah, we got it
You're the long lost brother
From kickboxer
Congratulations
They made me sad that
That's the show he was on
So you're telling me we could have a kung fu sitcom
And we're not watching that
Instead we're watching him like
Justify karate kicking the milk man
Once every 17 episodes
It's like whenever I see Michael
Jai White in a Tyler Perry movie
And I'm like you have a whole Michael Jai White
And he's not punching or kicking anything
What are you doing
What a waste of Michael Jai White
Literally the only action move
That I've ever seen him do in a Tyler Perry movie
Is Choka Woman
I was so mad
I haven't watched enough Tyler Perry movies to get there
Did she end up winning that fight
I think she did
Good
I do want to see him do like a Tyler Perry kung fu movie
Like
That's probably the direction he needs to go to revitalize
His career
Just like a really busted up Steven Chow movie
Imagine me assuming
That he hasn't already done that
There's no way he hasn't already done that
He's an interesting guy
Cause he did Black Dynamite
So he clearly has shown that he has a sense of humor
And like some comic timing
One of my favorite stories about him was
Who's the
UFC fighter
That does a podcast now
He's a commentator
Michael Bisbing
Was in a movie with him and he said
He was filming and then he got news that his dog died
He was really sad about it
And he tried to talk to Michael Jai White
He's like hey my dog just died
And he's like I don't know if he just didn't hear me
So I just assumed he didn't hear me
So I just dropped it
And thinking that he didn't hear me I go
Hey what's up man
My dog just died
He goes yeah you told me
And that was it
I stopped talking to Michael Jai White
Amazing
I have registered your human emotion
That has been noted and disposed of
And I just picture Black Dynamite
Doing that
Picture like normal Michael Jai White
It would be a funny line for Black Dynamite
I said friend who keeps complaining to him
Yeah you told me that
Yeah you told me
I threw that shit before it came in the room
Maybe my favorite line
Maybe my favorite line
That or his voice breaking
When one of the women in the brothel interrupts him
A hot coat hangers line
Well impossibly this is not
A Black Dynamite podcast
Although I'm guessing
There's going to be
Yes
Where were we in Bloodsport
He meets Frank Dukes
He meets Ray Jackson
Who is a
I think some sort of fighting bear
And
A female reporter
He's like three fat boys fused into one
Have you ever been with a real big man
No
I do appreciate
How quickly he backed down though
Like a gentleman so instantly
Total gentleman
Like the grossest gentleman of all time
Very gross gentleman
You ask every woman if she's been with a big man
Eventually one of them says no but I'd love to be
And then you respectfully make love to her
For seven to eight minutes
In a way that does not destroy her body
Then you take her to the hospital
Because she has been split in half
I'm Ray Jackson
A completely accurate reporting of the scene
Where Frank Dukes meets Ray Jackson
On a trolley
Picking up a woman
In the worst and best way possible
And then there's also a
He meets and falls in love with a female reporter
Who probably has a name but it is not important
She's sassy female
Reporter number one
Yes as legally required
By every 1980s action movie
I think every other woman in the film
Was credited as special lady
So I don't know if she was one of the special ladies
Or if she had her own name
Maybe she's notably not special
Maybe that was their passive aggressive way
Everybody else is called special lady
And you're called like Cindy
Credit is special lady
But on set known as a lady
Well that's okay but
Bullet sport makes no time for women
I believe there's one other woman
And she's like in the bar briefly
To be picked up
And I think that's it
Like that's it for women
They kind of know to stay away from the kumite
Except for the reporter
This is all a very bad idea
It's not a safe spot
They're not all Ray Jackson's
Is my point
They're not all savage bear gentlemen
Like Ray Jackson's
So Frank Dukes spends this time dodging cops
Falling in love
Making friends for life
And spin kicking his way through
Just all of Hong Kong
To become I guess the champion of earth
Forever
At the very least the numbers they drop in the tournament
Are such that it's several magnitudes
More than the entire population of the earth
Since chrome magnets
Were made extinct
You guys did real kumite math
In a previous episode
It was impressive
Everybody
Disputes
I heard a podcast as recently as a year ago
Where Frank Dukes was like listen
Some of the guys
You fight them and then they get back up
And then you kind of go back
He had sort of a hand wavy thing
These dudes were getting
30 to 40 concussions a day
Just getting knocked out over and over
By this maniac Frank Dukes
Well he also specified
I read the article where he first
He did specify it was a single elimination tournament
So
So he's changing his story a little
I think he just didn't
Single elimination tournament
Where you defeated everybody
Who has ever been or will ever be born
Forever
In a kung fu battle. If you're listening to this
You will have to fight to Frank Dukes
Or you'll have to have every grain of sand
On the beach
Here's a good question
Has Frank Dukes acknowledged you guys yet
You've done some pretty deep shit talking on him
And I feel like that
This might be the one
He got a takedown on a cracked article
I wrote about him
Oh my god
I would give anything
Literally
I will be so mad if I leave this earth
Without being challenged
Yelled at or accused of lying by Frank Dukes
Some kind of cease and desist
Side Frank Dukes
Well if we do our jobs right
That's our soft goal today
We had Josh Barnett on the podcast
And he does a wrestling promotion called Bloodsport
Which is awesome
And I was talking to him about how the fuck
Frank Dukes not tried to get you to shut down
And he immediately switched on
He's like I fucking like to see him try
And I thought that was so funny
And that's real
He really wants to fuck Frank Dukes up
But what athletic commission would allow that
You have seat champion and
Elderly liar
Sure we'll fucking put this fight on
This would be like Game of Thrones
You know when the Mandalorian
Got his face exploded kind of situation
Right
It's Josh Barnett versus the real Frank Dukes
Yeah challenge him to a fight
And then show him his real enemy
A lie detector test and I want to see
I want to see him dim back
His way through that
That made it I would love to see
Like an actual fist fight
But you're both attached to lie detectors
Do you have any new questions about your life
Oh that's brilliant
How fast do you think that punch you just threw
Was?
700-800 miles an hour
It was 12 Frank
And it electrocutes you every time you lie
There we go fully running man
It's the ghostbusters
He mentioned this on a podcast
Frank Dukes
He's talking about how when people make fun of him
That has like terrible repercussions
Because sometimes he does negotiations
With money and prisoners
And so like when people make fun of him
That like undermines his credibility
And like you fucking
Look at the family in the eye when the kids are dead
Because you made fun of Frank Dukes
That's a real shit
I'm paraphrasing
But he got himself worked up so hard
About his lie and what it would mean
If it was real that like kids were actually dying
Because you made fun of Frank Dukes
You're gonna be kicking yourself in the ass
If you ever end up in a North Korean jail
The only person that could save you was Frank Dukes
Well well well
Look who it is
Oh this is bad news
I guess I should say I'm sorry
But like will that even make a difference
Is the damage done is irreversible
You're already inside me aren't you Frank Dukes
Frank Dukes was a real guy
As though we need to say that
Because we made fun of him on a podcast
Making fun of another podcast
That he was on
We did a podcast exception
I would like to update
It was a ninjutsu podcast
Where he went on and they both
Just like sidetracked themselves
Bitching about like the inner circle
Complaints and gossip of the ninjutsu world
The clicky ninja world
It was fantastic
Look at that ninjutsu
Slammed drama
The ninjas can't even transform into horses
Fucking bunch of clowns
They never came after us
For that but I am happy to report
That they deleted their entire group
And tried to delete their podcast off of the internet
However
They forgot to delete the source
Where they kept it
I just got really upset
That I didn't know about this podcast
So I'm happy again
Don't worry I ripped a copy just in case
And I will keep it until I die
I always feel bad when like you destroy someone
You know it's like one thing to make fun of them
But it's another when they're like
I'm just going home
I'm just going home where nobody makes fun of me for being a ninja
Because I'm all alone
Fucking fuck them
You know at the end of the day
Alright Frank Dukes was a real guy
He insists Bloodsport was a true story
That's a real ninja anyway
And I would like to just real quickly
Go over the key components to his life
That are reflected in Bloodsport
He says he was trained as a ninja
By Senzo Tanaka
And that was to win the Kumite in 1975
I'm not going to debunk him
Because so many other people have debunked him
Expert researchers say
He actually did not win the Kumite
In 1975
Because the Kumite did not exist
And he was not actually trained
As a ninja by Senzo Tanaka
In part because
Senzo Tanaka didn't exist
Couple of holes in the story
But otherwise that nobody can prove
Any stage of your story ever existed
Is just
Fucking great ninjutsu quite frankly
Still there's a lot of prestige
Winning a tournament that you can say
It's so secret nobody even knows about it
Like if you win that that's obviously very prestigious
And not something a six year old might say
About Senko
And then you make a career
Of telling everybody about it
As for being the elite military super weapon
He did serve as a marine
For six years
As a reserve
I was going to say that's kind of badass
But I held on to that
You knew the rest of that sentence
Was coming up on you like Frank Dukes
In a cell
He claims to have been recruited by the CIA
And received the Medal of Honor
All of this builds up the Frank Dukes
Of Bloodsport to be this indispensable asset
Of war that they can't afford to lose
He of course did neither of those things
And he was discredited by several
High ranking actual military officials
And the four real
Director of the CIA
Have they won kumates?
Yeah
Of course Whitaker showed up and
Didn't corroborate his story
Did not
I love it so much
The actual director of the CIA
Took time out of his day to say Frank Dukes
Is full of shit
I love it
He made a note that Bloodsport rules
That it wasn't
Historically accurate
He's fucking sweet
He's fucking sweet
We'll give him a medal of honor
For those splits
Let the record also show
We don't know why you added the true story part
It could have just been a kick ass thing
And everyone loved it
Why did you do this to yourself?
I would argue that's part of the magic
I was going to say
We kind of bought it
It's so compelling
Once you see that based on a true story
Your brain just evokes
This amazing world
That like
It's so secret in the shadows
I think that was a great move
I specifically remember selling the movie
On that basis to people
And get this
It fucking happened
See that brings up a great part
I didn't realize it was a true story
For many years
I saw Bloodsport when I was 10 years old
And didn't realize it was a true story
Because who reads movies?
A bunch of dorks
Probably into like my
Mid 20s I want to say
So I went like 15 years
With pure just not polluted
Bloodsport in my head
Before realizing Frank Dukes
Was even a guy
But you guys all like the first time you watch it
You're like oh this absolutely happened
Absolutely yes
I have hurt myself with nunchucks
On many an occasion because if you tell me
That there's a 10% outside chance
That if I try hard enough
And young enough
That I can be some kind of ultimate weapon
I'm going to take it to heart
And believe that it is real
And just like Frank Dukes
I didn't actually do anything
I just shadowboxed
Poorly
In my backyard
And then got my ass kicked
The first chance that I could
I've got this now
I have shadowboxed
If I can beat a shadow
I can beat anybody
Not only that I believe Frank Dukes
Is real but I believe that
Doing the splits was the
The hole in my karate game
That you have to be filled
If I could just learn how to do this
I will be invincible
I did the exact same thing
I felt just
Completely in love
With Van Damme
To say non-sexually
But that would be a lie
It was a little play
I was a chubby kid
And I started doing the splits
Until I could hit them just all the way to the ground
Because I was convinced that was like
The secret to life
Chris Farley style
Once I could do that
I started
Wrapping my feet and fists in ace bandages
Dude
All day with the ace bandages
Big boxer style
Like you look like
Cigar from the video
Yeah, I had them too
Not for medical purposes
I remember
My roommate
At the time
It was my family's
Had a rumor
Got mad at me
For raiding his first aid kit
So I could make wraps
We might meet that for an emergency
This is an emergency
And I
Used them
I started collecting milk jugs
So I could fill them with water
And like red food coloring
And I hung them like high from my back porch
So that I could practice spin kicking head so hard
They exploded
That was like my training
I was convinced this is
Very important to my adult life
If you could make those Kolei jugs explode
You are a master
Do you realize that if we were born
Like now
All of this shit we're talking about would be online
This would be available
To the public to see
Chubby Robert doing spin kicks at his backyard
Me on that
Sean I know you've seen this
You know the martial arts catalog like splits machine they had
With the crank
I'd be doing that on tiktok
Just ripping my fucking groin out
And all of us would have to commit suicide by the time we were 20
I was so close to it happening
I'm 30
I was 3 years out
From potentially having it be on the internet
Instead I did other embarrassing shit on the internet
But like I was
3 years out
From people watching me punch a wall cry
And then have my mom wrap my hand
That's a close call
I had my filters and shit
I was like
I was playing hooky
And going to Chinatown because that's where they would sell me weapons
And then I just like
Had a bunch of weapons under my bed
I don't know what I was going to do with it
I was like 13, 14
And I had like a ninja star
And nun chucks
And then literally recently I went to Chinatown again
And my husband got nun chucks from a man
That gave him a card that said
If you ever need an emergency katana
Here is my personal number
And it is the same one that I used to buy weapons from
That's a vengeance emergency
It's 3 in the morning
It's like a ninja 3 the domination type shit
Yes
You still have this card
Oh yeah, he saved it
So if he ever needs a katana immediately
We have the guy
Now I'm amazed that hasn't come up yet
Not once
Katana related emergency circumstances
Yeah it would just be purely ninja based
There's no other reason
Some asshole brought 40 watermelons
To the barbecue
We need that katana
And does he show up like a streets of rage
Like npc
Does he just pull up in a car and drop a sack on the ground
And peel out
Can't see his face
Hides in a trash can
Did everybody else have
Come through weapon arsenals
Cause I had mine too just like
I fucking still do
I have a pair of nun chucks in my
When did that start
What age do you think
As young as I can remember
I had ninja weapons
Yeah absolutely
We always had one ninja star floating around
You could sneak one into the house and hide it
Just like finesse is talking about
If your dad found it you'd be like
No I need that I'm not a ninja without it
We'd make that paper
The paper one
Yeah the four
Orgami ninja stars
You have to look up a special way to fold it
To make it deadly
Weapons for a little while
And I would make my own I used to make my own bows
That are like sticks in the woods
Oh yeah
Just like Rambo
Just like Rambo
I always had the weapons around
Right now I have
Within reach I have several throwing stars
And numb chucks
Shit I have a sword right behind me
I'm so used to seeing it right there
That it's just
Totally forgot that it was there
I'm touching numb chucks
Right now
You asked the right people Brockway
Like literally through my window
I see our gardening katana
Which is a katana that we left outside and it rested
So we use it to whack weeds when they're too tall
I'm going to give you guys a little ninja ASMR
Are you ready?
Oh
That gave me the tangles
That was his groin puller
That was his splits machine
That was his machine splitter
Franking open that
That was a very dusty sword
Being re-sheathed
Sheathed it and just an explosion
What they don't show you
When you take a long forgotten
Vow of vengeance is the dust cloud
The dust you're like god damn it
I told myself that was the last time
See I don't have any weapons
Currently because
I got all of my weapons
I used to live in Southern California
With all of my weapons from Tijuana
And not the highest quality
Ninja 2 weapons
From Tijuana
Did you just break in combat?
Yes, absolutely
I would throw ninja stars and they would immediately bend
I would get like a little
Tangles sword
And I had one of those that I managed to sneak past
My mom and apparently
Border patrol I don't know how the fuck
I got back with all of these things
You are a successful mule look at you
I thought it was cute
Look at this kid, he's got the little baby
He's getting away with it
Little baby mini-katana
Look at him try not to look nervous
We gotta let him through
We gotta let this white boy kill himself
Of a Tijuana katana
I don't know if your younger viewers
Quite understand how huge
Ninja weapons and ninja related
Things were in our
Childhood
No way we have any younger listeners
But
If we did there's no way they could
Conceive of how
Important like what was the first time
You saw Bloodsport
You remember like having an impact
Definitely yes
I was
I think nine ten years old
And
Whenever we had
Back then we used to have almost like weekly family
Reunions at someone's house
Like a bunch of family members
With load in and then all the kids would hang out
In the garage and the older kids would take over
Like the activities and I
Worship them so I wanted to do whatever it was
And it was usually video games
Or
Sometimes watching things that I was like holy
And prepared for like Scarface
And one day they were
Watching Bloodsport specifically
And
I remember being specifically
Captivated because I'd seen a lot
Of action movies with like
Steven Seagal types at the helm
But that was the first time I'd ever seen
A man that was also like
Pretty not handsome
But like pretty pretty
Just you know big pouty lips
Giant eyes like it was the first time
I saw an action hero that was like
Strong and cool
But for like a young hormonal me
Pretty
And so I sat and watched the entire thing
And it like follows a thing
That I loved a lot at the time in anime
Which are like tournament arcs
It was a thing in Yuu Hakusho
Everything had a tournament arc
So it was like the easiest way
To get me stuck on something
And I was obsessed
Like the idea of something happening
Under your nose and it took this thing
That in my brain was solely anime
And made it real
I
The obsession specifically went on to
Jean-Claude Van Damme before it went to like
Everything else but I was like
That's the ultimate mixture of like
Grace and strength
He did look like a boy band
Kicking ass that was like maybe the first time
I think maybe the primary adjective
To describe him would just be smooth
He just looks
He's like a pearl
He looked like a sea creature
In a good way
He's a merman
How did we never cast him as a merman
That kicks ass
With some Faustian covenant
That's why he's so good with the splits
He dedicates life to those legs
That's true
He's never used his voice
He can do the splits no problem
No problem
I don't know what you guys are talking about
I never noticed how beautiful he was
It's going to hit you the next time
And you're going to be ruined
You totally went to the mirror
And tried to like do the
Underwear poll that he did
Pulling your cheeks out
Making a little basket out of your underwear
Giving out a little show
Right before you put it away
That's my favorite cutaway
Clearly the director hadn't said action yet
So Van Dam was just sitting there waiting
For like to go ahead
They filmed half of it
They left a little lag and it's like
3, 2, 1, go
And then he went
He was waiting for them to say go
Only they did it quietly with a point
Yeah
Because everyone was like breathless
Yeah they were all like
Please God let this moment go on
To be on the set that day
Don't roll it yet
The director's like
Okay hold it here
Hold
Almost there
Every movie that he was in
You can almost feel everyone
Being kind of horny for him
In a way that I feel like
His
The fact that he was so horny for himself
Made it ahead of its time
Because even when a woman walked in
As like sexy woman
You can almost see him like
Emotionally palming her away with being like
No but my ass
Your ass doesn't matter
I was watching double indemnity
The amount of times that I keep forgetting
That there is a woman in the room
Or a woman in that sex scene
Because it just feels like Van Dam
Is so ahead of its time
He's given us what we want
He knows what the deal is
He knows so hard he went and started a movie
About his attractive selves meeting
Yeah
He was released several times
He was like okay I can make whatever movie I want now
He's like first thing
I want a second me
And we open on like bouncing leotard ass
I don't know about open Van Dam
But we'll get it in there
No we're gonna open on it
And I'm going to be explaining
My legs and butt to a group of
Giggling women
That's a really good movie
Opening Jean-Claude
You've got really great ideas
And then there's a second me
Approved
Keep going
I remember the first time
I watched Bloodsport
With my most karate friend Nate
I remember as soon as we turned it off
We both looked at each other and went
We have to go outside and fight now
And ran outside
And the most spirited fighting
Trying to pull off moves we had only seen
For the first time then
And just spin kicking each other
I just beat the shit out of each other
After that
You go for the split punch, the Johnny Cage
Of course
The first time you realize I can't do the splits
I really like the move where Jean-Claude
Does the flying splits
And then Chongli does the somersault underneath them
A lot of kids can pull that off
That's the move you practice
When you're 10
I'm gonna do the splits in the air
And you somersault under me
Maybe we need a trampoline to start
But we'll get there
So sweet
Alright how about
Bloodsport changed everything
Everybody realized this is a great idea
And from 1988 on
Everything was Bloodsport ripoff
So how about
Your favorite Bloodsport ripoff
It was got it
Any medium
Shoot Fighter
Someone clearly saw Bloodsport
And said I'm gonna make exactly Bloodsport
And they kind of had more of a street fighter element
Because some of the fighters were
Like supernatural
There was a snake guy
And there was a guy named Book
And he just couldn't be hurt
I like that movie
There's a movie called Blood Fight
Starring Bolo Young as
Get this
Chongli
They didn't give a shit
Oh I love that
There's this guy
He directed a movie called Fighting Black Kings
Which was a documentary
It looked like a documentary he made
About these British white guys
Who entered a full contact karate tournament
And everyone got fucked up by these
What a great concept
He completely changed the direction
Of his documentary once he found these guys
And so it's called Fighting Black Kings
So this director was obsessed with the idea
Of a martial arts tournament for years
And it's basically he made that movie
And then Blood Fight
And then a bunch of other garbage that isn't as good
But that's one of my favorites
Bolo Young is such a weird guy
Because his name's not Bolo Young
Either, right? Because he changed his name to Bolo
After he was in Enter the Dragon
As Bolo
I did he started an article about him
As Chongli
He's kind of fascinated in an article about him
On One In Hundred Hot Dog
Where he just kind of goes with the flow
He's like okay I was in Enter the Dragon
They call me Bolo, my name's Bolo now
Everyone loves Bloodsport
I just do like 25 more movies like Bloodsport
As Chongli
That's the same guy
That's my life story
So I was thinking about it
It's wonderful that I've kind of changed history
Like Mortal Kombat
But when it comes to action
Some of my favorite moments are found
In Direct to Video
And this isn't like a direct rip
But it definitely takes from the kumite
Element
And it's Undisputed 3 Redemption
A movie that I adore
And is bittersweet for me since finding out
That Scott Atkins has a case of the Brainworms
But it's the third in the series
And has anybody seen it?
I haven't seen 3
Yeah, I didn't get that far
So I really enjoyed the Undisputed series
It's one that I learned about during the pandemic
And I went from like kind of liking it
Because the first one starred Michael J. White
To loving it when it got to the third one
Because the heel from the first movie
Becomes like the hero of the third
And it's Yuri Boyka, the most complete fighter
And that's it
His name is in the subtitle
The subheading in one of them, right?
It is
It's that he is the most complete fighter
And everyone keeps repeating it
And he basically
Has to make his way
Through a series of prison fights
In which everyone is like the best of their style
From like
People that know 13 blocks
Which is like prison fighting
To like Wusha
There's Marcos Aror
Who's like one of the absolute best Kaipo era
Fighters right now
That he's like the final fight
And he's amazing
Hard to find the space
For a Kaipo era training in a prison, I imagine
That's not a great, it's not very conducive
Yeah, he's like the main guy
That he's trying
He's basically like the Chongli
Of this scenario
And you even have like the hot-headed American fighter
Whose name is Turbo
And he's the one that knows 13 blocks
Oh, he has a prison style
Exactly, and it's
Oh, Lateef Crowder is also in it
It's very good, but
This is Kaipo era
I mixed him up with Zaror who's kind of a mix of everything
Which is why he's so dangerous
Lateef Crowder is in it
As Kaipo era, he's the one that's amazing at it
But
Imagine a blood sport except every single one
Of the on-screen fighters are like the best
In their industry right now
And that's why undisputed 3 is so good
Like even when a lot of it is bullshit
They still got the best on-screen
Fighters in their style
For every one of these
So there are moments in which you were like standing
And cheering because you cannot believe you saw a fight
That fucking good
And it only exists in direct to
Video
Yeah, they pop up as suggested from me
All the time and for whatever reason
I don't believe them and I'm like
I don't know if this is the one
The first two were like eh
The third one is where it's at because of like
The kumite aspect
I feel like they did a hard pivot
The first one was
Was that the one that had like
Wesley Snipes and Ving Reims
I might have
Yeah
And then they just went nuts
These are blood sport movies now
A lot of direct to video
Blood sport rules
Direct to video has weird pivots in their action stuff
Because like undisputed became super blood sporty
Universal soldier
Another Vandam thing
The third one
I don't know how else to say it
But it is one of the best action movies I've ever seen
And also an incredible examination of how grief destroys you
Oh wow
You always make a mistake huh
It's universal soldier day of reckoning
And it is astoundingly good
Oh you got um
Mother fuck
Dolph Lundgren in it as well
So it's Dolph Lundgren, John Claude Van Damme
And Scott Atkins
And the beginning has a
POV beat down in which you are
The character that is being beaten to death
And it is
Haunting
Yeah that's my fetish
That's worse than it's gonna be
Dolomite
Right
Zach, what's yours?
My second favorite POV shot of all time
Um, I might be
And I've actually almost suggested this to you guys before
But that
Where's Cavalry, I was just trying to give you a flashback
When Dolomite made love to you
That weird shadowy
Like lean
He's got over you bad lighting
Where's Cavalry to keep my girls
Where's Cavalry to keep my girls
That's the shed collapses on you
Did you guys ever see
The TV show WMAC Masters
Fuck yeah, yes
Okay good, good, we're all on the same page
That is like a show made
And by and starring
Entirely people who believed in Bloodsport
Yes
It's like well what if this guy
So here's my favorite thing about WMAC Masters
None of the characters are
Real
They present
Like Mortal Kombat type archetypes
Like one guy's a cyborg, but he's not really a cyborg
He just wears cyborg shit
And that's acknowledged in the show
He's like oh I wear all this metal parts
Because that's I'm the mecha god
And it's got like shoot fighter actors in it
And it's like all a who's who of like
Straight to video movie villains
So I love him for that
The guy that Chang-Soon stole his soul like in Mortal Kombat
He like established the stakes in Mortal Kombat
Like you can die here
I think he both staffed in
Shoot Fighter 2
I'm not in the video game but
I'm about to die
That's how you know I'm about to die
I think a lot of mocap guys
For Mortal Kombat were in that show too
It was like a real who's who
And they tried to have like a scripted
Game show
Like a gamified blood sport
That was like half soap opera
Half
It's such a weird show
It had like a pro wrestling energy
But it was in a way that it was hard to understand
What their conceit was
What their fiction was
It's just like
Am I supposed to know their actors
I mean we all do
But I mean like are they putting on a show
In their universe
Or I just don't get what's happening
The rules of the game didn't make any sense
We're all just going to beat up ninjas until
Time? I don't know
Like how do we score this
And sometimes we'll work together
But other times we'll seem to be competing against each other
We'll never fight each other though
And they had like a night wolf type guy
Like just over the top Native American
Like it's a great cast of characters
It's definitely worth
The whole series is probably on YouTube
If I had to guess
Exactly as I responded
I was seeing Bloodsport and he and my friend ran outside
To fight immediately
He saw Bloodsport and was like we have to do this
But maybe some other thing
And then ran out to make a TV show
And found themselves like
Oh shit
It feels like two eleven year olds
Who just got unlimited budget
And like this is what they do
I'm really excited by Bloodsport
Bloodsport but with a robot
You know that kind of
It's perfect
Let's do an episode
There is a
There is exactly that
Arena is my favorite
Bloodsport red ball
Yeah
Bloodsport in space
With aliens
Also cyborgs
Like everybody's pulled from fucking doom
And it
Yeah they're gruesome in a very doom like way
Yeah they're like
Like demonic
Amalgamations of creature and machine
Yeah they didn't make like just aliens
Everything's like a boss monster
Yeah
Earth dipshit
To fight them in their magical
Science arena
His name is Steve Armstrong
Steve Armstrong
When you know the brainstorming session
Was cut a bit short
I would really give
Anything in the universe to someday have
Earth dipshit as my lower third
That's
That Steve did
I don't know
He's a headhunter
An earth dipshit
Those rounded pounds
My favorite part of arena
Is that it's the 1989
Sci-Fi action movie
So it was one year after Bloodsport
And they were just like
Fuck yes Bloodsport
Wait Bloodsports in space
Let's go there's no time
We're ready
We're ready tomorrow
And they did
They went and made it immediately
Which probably explains why about half of that movie
Sucks a lot and it's just like
What life is like on the station
And how the fight betting works
And it's just
100% agree like the greatest idea
And just for the most part poorly executed
They do a lot of like
Yeah it's so lovable
They do a lot of great world building in that
World building but they
They really went for it like when they go to their bars
You've got like music
And it's like that really bad
Sci-Fi music like
They try to be futuristic with it like future jazz
You know what it is
It's like 12 year olds tried to make WMAC
Because when they were 11
They're just fuck it do it and then at 12
They're like no I have some questions about how this universe works
And then they answered way too old
We need to have a Frodo
In there or like a Bilbo Baggins
Type character
We can go on the journey with them
Anyway it's just
If you haven't seen arena at rules
It's just a guy slap fighting huge puppets
And
It's Bloodsport and it's in space
And stars Claudia Christian
Who I guess is the patron saint
Of our site now
One of the things I love about arena
Is he should have died in the first match
It's clear these guys have the strength of like 20 apes
They're just these massive
Star monsters and he's like
170 pound earth man
Somebody has forgotten about the world building
Of arena
Handicap raised
That was his journey
He was like
He believed in himself so much that he could do it
Without the handicap so he just
Beats the crap out of a real minotaur
I understand you explained in the text
I'm just saying
I'm just saying
It's really hard
The real handicap was in you the whole time
God damn it
You lack of believing yourself
They're dumb answers
They're bad answers that I argued they shouldn't have put in there
And it would have been better if the handicap
Array was just not a factor
And as was all of it
Like they didn't learn the best lesson from Bloodsport
Which is that you got like 20 minutes
Of setup and then it's all the rest has to be fighting
It's all fights
Every single Bloodsport ripoff misses that
That fact
Which is the most important thing
About Bloodsport
And Bloodsport I think established the stakes
That hey this guy wants to be the best fighter and now he's going to fight
But then they added some stakes
With like the army trying to get him
Which I think they didn't need
And yet when you watch all the other Bloodsport movies
You're like they don't have a thing like that
And they suck
So maybe that's the little element that makes Bloodsport
So special
It has so much other extra stuff
That I'll bring up and people will forget
Because they'll be like oh yeah there's the army thing
And the romance thing
And the American guy almost dying and I'm like
Yeah and the fact that he was trained
Blind because his training partner
Died because he's going
In honor of Mr. Tanaka
And they're like oh my god I forget about the fact
That he has an entire training montage
And backstory
Involving a dead brother type figure
The training montage within the flashback
Montage
That's right
Nested montages
Two-layer deep
Inception style
I think it was like 15 minute long
Montage
It's like half the movie
There's like nothing outside of that
It's what's great
Here's everything
We've folded time to show you
His entire journey so that we can get right to kicking
Like the metal in this blade
We have folded time
And anyway
He used all of it too
The blindfolding shit they didn't waste a single minute of that training
The splits
All of it paid off
From his master that was surely meant to
He was trying to improve his sense
If you expect me to be his punching bag
You can't forget it
The stupid accent
The stupid accent paid off
He never lost that accent
My favorite thing about every
25 years of America
Every van den movie
Has to have some kind of a throwaway line
That explains away the accent
Yeah
He's like you know when my mom and dad split
Dad took you to France and I stayed
New Jersey
Now you're from New Orleans I guess
I mean that's might as well that's close
Right
When you got your throat ripped out by that back
Rebuild your vocal chords with a Frenchman's neck
It's so needless
To make him just
Everybody's moved here from Brussels
Same as Arnold Schwarzenegger
Everybody just moved here
From somewhere else
It's a melting pot
I also did not learn that lesson
From Bloodsport that you get to the good part
I get to the point
Right away
Now that we've had an entire podcast
About Bloodsport
Here's the point of this podcast of Bloodsport
We're playing Bloodsport the home game
We are
Adapting the perfect movie, Bloodsport
Into the perfect medium for it
Tabletop role-playing games
Fuck yeah
We're running a Bloodsport campaign
Using D&D 5e
Sorry
He slipped it in there
We're gonna do it
You told Zach if he was gonna do that voice
I was gonna do the Fat Albert voice the whole show
We're running a Bloodsport campaign
Using D&D 5e
And I am the
Blood master
Blood master
That's too gnarly
I'm not gonna live up to that
I'm the sport master
I'm the blood guy
You're the sneaky tooth man
I'm Mr. Bloodsport
The tooth master
The guy who runs shit
I'm the guy who's gonna run the shit
And Vanessa, Zach, and Sean
The Black Dragon Society
That's what it is
We got it already
Teamwork
Vanessa, Zach, and Sean, you are the players
Of course, it would be wild if you weren't
And I invited on you just to rub it in
To be like, I'm gonna do something awesome with somebody else
See you guys later
I have some questions
Go ahead
Is Sassy Female Reporter a character class?
No, it is not
See, here's how it's gonna work
There's one further twist
You will be making your own character sheets
You will be speaking and taking actions for yourselves
You will be separate characters
But you will not be separate entities
Instead
Each of you will embody one of the core elements
Of Frank Dukes
Oh shit
Oh my god
This is quite a twist
Frank Dukes presents himself to the world
A little kick machine who caved in the torsos
Of every single man, woman, and child
Who has ever or will ever be born
Amen
That's what he wants to be seen as
Now what he really is
Is just a childish manipulator and liar
Obsessed with ninjitsu
That's like his life today in practice
However, he is also over the years
I believe he started as a con man
But over the years, he bought his own shit
I think he's so deluded now
He actually believes some of his own bullshit
And he seems to think some forms of
Karate ninja magic are real
And he is their master
So with that in mind
I will sue you if you try
With that in mind, any good Frank Dukes
Must be made up of three parts
A ninjitsu liar
A karate shaman
And an unstoppable kick machine
Those are your character archetypes
I play an unstoppable kick machine in real life
So maybe I don't want that
Now we can choose
Who gets what now
And if anybody is deeply passionate about one
You can just fight for whatever you get
And we'll do another hour of podcast about that
Or we can do it randomly
Whichever you guys want to do
Vanessa, what are you feeling?
Do any of those call to you?
Ninjitsu liar
Kick dispenser
And what was the other one?
A karate shaman
And an unstoppable kick machine
I'm not going to lie
Ninjitsu liar is calling to me
Like something
The 12 year old in me
That desperately believed
Every lie about how other 12 year old
Said they were in the CIA
Or that their brothers
Had a jar of molly and I couldn't see it
Like I want to
I want to tap into that shithead
But
Random
Adds an element of unscripted chaos
That
Blood sport often feels like
Because nobody knows how to talk like people
So
I'm thrilled in either direction
What do you guys think?
Passionate about any class over the other
Yeah, I'm feeling karate shaman
Like that's
I will play
Unstoppable kick machine
I feel like it's
A little on the nose
Why don't we switch? I'll be unstoppable kick machine
I insist
Let's take your first choice
And I will be a kick machine
It's something I know
I've been training for this my whole life
This is like you picking TURTLE power
It's just like an easy win
It hurts to be typecast
But
It does get you work
Keep in mind these are your archetypes
But it is up to you
To build characters that fit that archetype
Okay
All I ask
You're going to find your own way to get to
To get to ninja
Liar, karate shaman and unstoppable kick machine
All I ask
Is that
All of your names be some pollution of Frank Dukes
How and why
Is up to you
Now I understand this is going to make
Gameplay logistics confusing for people
If you're all aspects of Frank Dukes
How can you talk to yourselves
Cooperate in battle
Saving each other
Splitting locations
If you're going to try to picture all of this
Happening as one guy
It's going to make Frank Dukes look like some sort of
Crazy liar
Do you see where I'm going
Do you see where I'm going
Is it that Frank Dukes is a
Crazy liar?
Maybe
Maybe this is going to be
Listening to a Frank Dukes story where you're like
Wait a minute, but if you did that
And then
Question about how the name
Needs to be similar
As like a version of Frank
Dukes
So what a Francine ducks work
Sure, I love it
My name is Fraud Kicks
That's perfect
Just a neat letter swap
Just keep it simple
The karate shaman
Yeah, karate shaman
We've already locked it down
For
Let's do a little section for the D&D nerds
You're all going to be starting at level 5
You can use any rules as a written source
Feel free to homebrew for flavor
But if you want to do mechanical changes
We can talk about that as needed
If any of you are not huge dorks
And don't understand that
Speak now or forever hold your peace
Oh yeah, I assume there's some like online shit I could do
To
I've got resources
I am not a huge nerd in this way
I am in other ways
But
I'm in it for the journey
I'm going to use the mega damage girps system
So I'm going to be
Pretty powerful guys
You're okay
But happy to walk any of you through
Making your characters
We're going to be using D&D beyond and roll 20
Oh, I'm super familiar with both
Great
I'm going to download fucking chrome plugins for this
Shit
Yes
The pitch shift was great there
But
They're official blood sport
Chrome extensions
You're back on board
And
We're doing level 5 because that's where characters get their major specialization
So feel free to really diversify
Any authorized
Thing, any authorized expansion
Race, you can change names for your skills
Really make them your own
And also
Just appreciate that
The next time we speak
You will all be significantly more
Frank Dukes than you were before
So let us take a moment of silence
To both appreciate and mourn that fact
It's a hundred
Frank first
And the podcast comes out
And with Maximalim
Say Frank first podcast
Correct
Yes
The practice is not done without
Send it to the dog
For an hour
Come on Jean
You can do it
It's a hundred
Frank first
It's a hundred
Frank first
August was Dolomite month on the hot dog discord
So we thought it'd be fun to let Dolomite
Write one of these
Mules have kicked them
Didn't bruise their hide
Rattlesnake spit them, they just crawled off and died
The handcuffed lightning split the raging sea
These here are the motherfucking
Hot dog Supremes
Three finger loy
Aaron Croson is a bad motor scooter
Adrian H
Aiden Moet
Alpha Sciences Java you rat sweet mother fucker
UnAndy
Andreas Larson
Armando Nava
Benjamin Sironin
Bim Talzer
Brandon Garlock thinks you need to move over and let him pass
Before they be pulling these hush puppies out your ass
Brian Saylor
If Brian Whitney ever sees a ghost
She'll cut the motherfucker
Brockway loves the meat milling
All hell yeah he does
Sarah
Rev
Chance McDermott don't wear no fucking cotton drawers
Chris Brower
Curious glare
Dan B is so bad he kicks his own ass twice a day
Dean Costello
Dr. Rockwood
Eric Spalding knows why I'm not doing the voice
Fancy Shark
Jell-O
Greg Cunningham is his name
And fucking up motherfuckers is his game
Ambo
Haraka
Hot Fart
Jay Burrell Aiden is a low down oh I can't say this one
Jacob Thornberg is a snake eating yellow
No I can't do that one either
James Boyd saw a white woman
Nope Jeff Harasky is so black
No
Jeremy Neil once dated a pastor's daughter
And he's oh god
My man John Dean's wife is so
Not doing that one
John Hector McFarlane
Met this deaf girl one time
And holy shit Dolomite no
John McCammon thinks you're such a mama's boy
You know skipping that one
If John Minkoff was in Mississippi now
Josh Fabian is a mother fucking
No can't see any of those words
Here Josh S
Hopes you ain't as cold as the windy city
Because the way he feels now baby
He sure could warm you up
Oh that's a nice one, thanks for getting this out of that Josh
Ken Paisley
K&M
M. Jaihi Chappelle just wants to see a honky dance
Matt Riley
Max Barroil get behind you
Get in front of you too
Michael Lair
Michael Wells, Mickey Lohman, Mike Stiles
Mojoo once walked from New York City
to deep deep south just to slap
a son of a bitch straight in the mouth
Andy Neil Bailey
Neil Schaefer
Nick Ralston wants you to listen
and listen well he's that bad mother fucker
drove the devil out of hell
Nick H
Ozzy Olen Patrick Herbst
Rain Vargas
Rhiannon's been known to rise up
but we'll cool down later
Sarkovsky spotty reception
Ted H
Timmy Lay is a no-business
born and secured
jock-jawed mother fucker
Toast you got
Tom Sikula thinks you're bad and you ain't got no class
He's gonna rock this shotgun up your mother fucking ass
Tommy G
Whalen Russell
Yasarian once you out of here in 24 hours and baby
23 of them are already gone
And Donald Finney don't want no dilapidated
seep-sap and pigeon-toed
cross-eyed and bow-legged son of a guns
are messing with him