The Doug Stanhope Podcast - DSP #521 - "Dr. J & TKO on JRE"

Episode Date: May 25, 2023

Doug explains what happened on the way to the Joe Rogan Experience podcast and gets his blood test results from an old friend from the neighborhood. Thank You Patreon Subscribers. We could not do this without your ongoing support. Recorded May 21st, 2023 at the Quiet House in Bisbee, AZ with Doug Stanhope (@dougstanhope), Jonathan Sinnott - FNP, D. Raider and Bingo. Bingo and Ggreg Chaille (@gregchaille).  Produced and Edited by Chaille. Signed copies of "This Is Not Fame" available while supplies last at Stanhope Store - http://www.dougstanhope.com/store/ We have no idea what the future holds so get on the Mailing List at https://www.dougstanhope.com/. When we know, we'll let you know. LINKS - "Walking in Darkness, Walking in Light: A Tragic Yet Inspirational Story of Hope and Redemption Where There Should Be None" by Jeffrey A. Sinnott available online - https://tinyurl.com/2p9vb8w8 Closing song, “The Stanhope Rag”, written and performed by Scotty Conant for Doug Stanhope and used with permission – Available on Soundcloud - https://soundcloud.com/scottyconant Photo by ChailleSupport the show: http://www.Patreon.com/stanhopepodcast

you're listening to the doug stanhope podcast all right as uh much anticipated the uh much hyped or i've been hyping it yeah podcast i've been uh looking forward to is the results from my doctor but first i have to update everyone on the uh austin uh austin weekend I keep saying weekend. It was Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday. The taping days to all the Patreon people, especially who came out. Got rid of all the posters. We taped two days. It went

very well. I haven't seen any footage, but I'm never in a hurry to look at footage of myself. Then on Thursday, got up to do the Joe Rogan podcast. And I took an edible, it took a 10 milligram about 9.00 AM and, uh, I had a cocktail. I even remember I mixed it with that, uh, that, uh, turmeric. This is my doctor here, uh, Dr. John Sinnott. Uh,

and this is Dave Rader, you know? so then i i took an uber there this is what i remember i took an uber there get there 20 minutes before uh kickoff at 1 p.m and uh the last thing i remember was just after sitting down with joe rogan And I fucking, the next thing I know, I was vomiting that night or like 11, 12 at night. I had made Bingo take footage of me when I came in the door because I was so, I just knew something was fucked. It wasn't, this wasn't an edible gone wrong. Or so I thought.

And then when I woke up, I thought, oh fuck, maybe something really is wrong with me physically because I shouldn't, like, I have no fucking memories. Then I found footage. Fortunately, I have email from a guy, the Uber driver who dropped me there at fucking Joe's place, had his own trivia show in his Uber. And it's guess what Country I'm From. Okay, here I have a comedian. He's a stand-up comedian. I am. Here's this dog. He wants to guess where I'm from. Let's see if he can make it.

So here's the rules. You got three guesses to make. You're trying to guess which country I'm originally from. Okay? You can ask as many questions you want, but I won't answer any question. Like, are you from South of Japan now, uh, North of China, or, uh, don't ask me what the colors of my flags are. Nothing obvious. Yeah. I'll tell you what the color of that light was red. You almost went through it, but go ahead. Okay. So I have five minutes of footage of me completely fucking losing, going in there. And the next thing I know, I'm fucking, I'm just annihilated.

And I didn't remember until we brought it up today. Bingo said, well, yeah, because I thought I was, I only made one drink for myself. No, I had a drink with Bingo on the way to waiting to call the Uber in the hotel was a bartender's competition that we crashed on our way through to get a drink. And then I was heckling them. She said I was being a dick. Oh, yeah. What could have happened? Maybe that's how I could have gotten roofied.

What could have happened? Maybe that's how I could have gotten roofied. Because the whole time, I wanted to believe that I got roofied. Because I don't want to believe that unless I had got to Rogan's and just started. I have to fucking ask Rogan to look at footage. Because unless we had a shot competition from the time we sat down until I woke up at 11 o'clock. But that footage of getting into the hotel is like 5 o'clock at night. So there's no fucking way. Is your ass sore?

No, but it's a good segue. We have to leave at like 4 o'clock in the morning. So I'm just out of my head. I bingo videotape all of me puking. Once I knew there was videotape early i just kept telling her to put it out till i got conscious enough to go uh this probably doesn't tell a story let's just fucking delete all that uh then uh we've had this set up with you i get the at the airport where i'm still like i can can't even, you know, not even risking drinking water because I don't want to puke again.

And I get the email from you, the text message saying, hey, your fucking Cologuard came back dirty. That's not how you phrased it. But hey, listen, you're going to have to get a colonoscopy because it's problematic. And that's when I asked, is there anything else? Then I'm thinking, OK, I definitely definitely have cancer and that would explain it somehow that was before i knew about the oh yeah i forget about a heckling competition oops so let's get up my ass let's do it uh we did what you you said I had not only let's stay with the asshole at first that could be anything

I did some research and read what I wanted to read and it said that 42% of positives for Cologuard are false and 42% are they go up your ass.

There's a good chance it's hokum. You have to understand I'm not on the side of doctors a lot. Or the medical profession. Well, that's fine. There are false positives and false negatives. You know, you took

a decent first step to make sure, you know, instead of rushing right to get your butt checked, you did the Cologuard where you shit in a box and send it back to him. And then it tells you, well, you know, this may indicate that you need further evaluation through a colonoscopy. So that's what yours said. It doesn't say that you have cancer. In fact, more than likely you do not have cancer. further evaluation through colonoscopy. So that's what yours said. Doesn't say that you have cancer. In fact, more than likely you do not have cancer, but you might have a polyp.

You might have a little trace blood in your stool. This is where I have issues, but right now I'm all in. I haven't drank since that fucking night. Like I get so panicked. I've stopped doing most things. Not yet, not yet, but I have a bucket of fucking supplements

I already was taking. But yeah, if you have a Pollock, they'll burn it off. This is like where someone gets checked for skin cancer and every little fucking mole could be a thing. It's better safe. You know, it's always a good idea to get checked, you know.

And if you find something early, they can treat it early. So getting a mole removed, yes, good. You know, all the damage in your skin happened when you were a kid. You know, yes, wear sunscreen and all that stuff. By the way, just catching up, John and I grew up in the same neighborhood. So I hadn't seen him since I found out he's a local physician here. Nurse practitioner.

But that's what you get when you go to the doctor these days, you get a PA or a nurse practitioner because all the docs are retiring because of the aging population. And everyone's suing them into fucking poverty. Yeah, we got no money, so good luck with that. Tell them where you grew up. Yeah, in Worcester, where we grew up. Worcester, Massachusetts.

Yes, with baby oil and no other protection. Actually, it's worse than no protection. Baby oil, literally, and you lay out. oil and no other protection actually is less than it's worse than no protection baby oil literally and you lay out yeah and and that's probably the last time i saw you at cook's pond when you were eight to ten years old yeah you know and i was just a year older or so and uh local swimming hole but yeah how many skin tags moles have you had removed me personally uh probably eight to ten oh no shit yeah not all at once no it wasn't just one doctor that was a little psycho no any polyps removed uh no polyps well i did i didn't have a polyp removed well maybe i did jesus i don't know

it was uh i had a colonoscopy i've done coligard i've done a colonoscopy um i think it was a 10-year return you'd think that i'd remember that stuff but you know it gets paved over by other stuff so yeah uh all right i'm just making sure you i'm trying to do you know practice what i preach is it 10 years of the play it safe? Like at 50 or 55 and then another 10 years? So now it's 45. It used to be 50, but the American diet sucks. So it's more likely to cause cancer earlier. So they started testing at 45 now. If you go to, you know, the options are a Cologuard, which is good for three years, or a colonoscopy, which is good for five to ten years.

So the colonoscopy, if they don't find anything, it's good for ten years. If they find something, it's usually one, three, or five-year return. So Cherry tells me that they knock you out for it and you still talk about the that haze of Twilight whatever drug it is

it you cannot I mean literally got to eight trying to say seven and I woke up counting backwards

yes so from ten could not even say all of seven woke up feeling great and the thing is with the my brother my twin brother he went in and they had 10, could not even say all of 7, woke up feeling great. And the thing is, because I have a twin brother,

he went in and he had a couple polyps and they take care of that right there. Yeah, that's what I was going to ask. So what happens is they've got a little lasso. Tell me if I'm right. You're right. They have a little lasso. It goes in there. It must feel like they're playing a video game.

They just loop it like they're catching a video game they just they just loop it like they're catching a raccoon in your yard and then it cauterizes it right there it takes care of it now like you said if you do have that then you will want to come back one three to five whatever yeah and they'll send that polyp to the lab to see if it's cancerous or not i don't know how much ass work you've done but how much different is that from a hemorrhoidectomy? Because that describes what Joe Vernon went through to get a hemorrhoid removed, and he said it was the most agony he's ever felt in his life.

Hemorrhoids are exterior. Not necessarily. They can be in or out, interior or exterior. Yes, you can do the same thing. They call it banding yeah where they can put a band around it just like you said with the raccoon trap uh so that's a way to do it yet but they're kind of different animals a hemorrhoidectomy most of the time you're sitting down all the time so your

ass cheeks spread and your ass contents start to come out so if you're sitting down you know you got to sit up and pull your cheeks together and you know if you feel it in the shower just stick your finger up your butt and push it back up there yeah you asked yeah demonstrated post this is where dave raider's gonna come in later because he's uh very uh health oriented uh but also a smoker and drinker like he's a booze bag and a yeah so he i think will i'm going to test you on some uh some stuff and i think he might have a keener angle on stuff that is booze bag specific he's a hypochondriac on some levels me yeah well you know about your fucking triglycerides well who knows that when you're 45 years old? People who go to a doctor once every 10, 20 years. You should only

go to a doctor if it's an emergency. That's actually not true. Their ambulance brings you and then they do a lot of tests that you don't... That's the opposite of preventative medicine. I don't think you get that. If you go early, you can find stuff early. The point is, there's a lot of things

that a guy... Are you a boozer, by the way? I know a day. Not much. All things in moderation. You're very Massachusetts. I mean, just seeing you in the office was cool. But when you just drove up on a fucking big Harley, that is so Worcester. You'd be fucking 57, 58.

58 with a fucking Harley and three kids. No kids. No kids? No. 57, 58. 58 with a fucking holly and three kids. No kids. No kids? No. Oh, shit. Yeah, I'm not part of the breeding pool. Oh, fuck. You're a company.

Yeah. You get a wife. Well, you know my family, right? So you should be saying, yeah, you made the right decision. Yeah. Oh, we'll get to the family. There is murder coming up in this podcast. How often are we doing something?

You go, oh, wait, later on there's murder. Should I open with murder or should I open with being fucking drugged and then into ass play? But not related. Triglycerides. Yeah. That I should know about. Yeah. Well, you triglycerides it through the roof at 674.

So the goal is under 150. We don't really get concerned until it's over 500. Okay. And this is cholesterol, which is the one thing I never even thought about. Yeah. I worry about liver things and diabetes things. Surprisingly, your liver's in good shape. The fuck?

Yeah. How is that? I don't know. He's got room to play. Wow. Yeah. All right. I hadn't even asked that.

Oh, and that's what I did. I picked up my drugs and there's some kind of statin and another fish oil, but it's prescription fish oil. I actually did want to ask you. Phenofibrate, yeah. Because normally fish oil is something you can buy at GNC or local supermarket

and it will reduce your triglycerides. I got on krill oil because I can't take krill oil for the same reason. It works. But, however, I've never heard of triglycerides at that number. I've never heard anybody be that high. So it has to be pharmaceutical grade? Is it different than a fish oil that you pick up at a store? Not a lot different.

The only benefit is that I can prescribe it and his insurance covers it. Oh, I'm still fucking deep in fish oil. I've had them because what's the fucking scam with CVS or Walgreens? Buy one, get one free. Every

fucking time, Safeway. Vitamins. Buy one, get one free. Well, I'm going to go off the kick. I'm going to eat four fish oils in four days and then five years from now, give me that bucket of shit. And this is not everything, John.

Once you told me we're about to try glycerides on my plane, I started ordering shit once I landed. This is just the stuff I already had Yeah Alright, we're going to play pop it or drop it Yeah

These are supplements or vitamins This is a milk thistle That's supposed to be good for the liver Yeah And maybe that's why your liver's good See? That could be hokum I would pop it

Alright, we'll pop it we're gonna continue that let's a lot of these are just regular vitamins but there's a fish oils we talked about that now you don't have to use fish oil per se you know it's a way to do it but you know a lot of part of like when patients come in I talk to to them, you know, we can give you a pill and Americans love a pill for everything, but you can do the same thing just by dietary changes. You know? Well, I think alcohol is probably one of the big reasons, even if my liver is good, the triglycerides that I saw is sugars, fats, and booze. Yeah. Just fun. It's the trifecta of fun is what I should avoid.

Well, you got to live too, you know? Yeah. So all things in balance. Yeah. All right. Well, the guy that gave me, I just filled the prescription for the whatever. The Torvastatin. Yeah.

So that's a statin. You take it at night because that's when the cholesterol in your body is being made. I didn't know that. This is a real low dose. So we'll check you in about three months and see how your cholesterol is responding. I would anticipate probably bumping this dose up to 20 milligrams or maybe 80 in your case. Yeah, I read that. I'm going to put that in the pop file.

Yeah, this is just a century senior. It's a multivitamin, but does it really fucking matter if senior versus... You got to take a look at what's in it, right? I've taken bingo's prenatals. Is there really a difference

between senior and prenatal? We're trying out babies. You should have calcium for your bones versus a non-senior. But I would say that every single human being, especially in the US, should be on a multivitamin because none of us are getting all of our vitamins and minerals from our diets.

In theory, you don't need this because you should be able to get all your food from your diet. However, nobody eats the fruits and vegetables that they're supposed to be doing. You know, you go to McDonald's or you get a pizza and, you know, stuff like that. But this has vitamins A, C, D, E, K, you know, so ADEC, those are the basic vitamins. Thymine, good stuff. Folate, B12.

So here's that was another question. In magnesium. C's and B's, everyone knows those are good, but like there's 18% of B vitamins. Yeah, it depends. You may have everything you need to be vitamin B as well. Yeah. And anything you go over in vitamin C, you're just going to pee out. All right.

And how much vitamin C is in there? Actually, it's only 67% of your 60 milligrams, but 67% of your RDA. You're also not going to absorb 100% of what you get. I'm going to speed round this. Cranberry pills.

Cranberry pills better than juice because there's no sugar? I wouldn't do the cranberry pills better than juice because there's no sugar uh i wouldn't do the cranberry pills unless uh like females typically get urinary tract infections more frequently than males and cranberry pill is better to help prevent the uti like at first signs of uh urinary urgency frequency if you take the pill it's better than the juice because the juice typically has more sugar yeah which can hasten so am i over like my liver's doing all right if my kidneys are doing all right is it because you're fucking cranberry pills your kidneys you have no chronic kidney disease stage two

sounds horrible doesn't it huh wait i do yeah oh you didn't tell me that he's gonna give you the butt yeah everyone everybody's over the age of 30 has yeah so and you know like chronic kidney disease stage one is normal which is 90 or above if you look at your lab results here. Yeah. All right. So if you went into a hundred doctors, 99 of them would say they wouldn't say anything. They'd say your kidneys are fine. But you know, showmanship. But technically your chronic kidney disease stage two. Who cares?

What's it matter? How many stages are there? There's like five. Okay. Yeah. I really hope you're going to say two. That would have been a much better podcast. Please continue.

So the only two things that you have to know is drink water, 64 ounces a day, and then avoid NSAIDs, non-steroidal anti-inflammatory drugs, Motrin, Aleve, Naproxen, Padvil. All right. And just avoid those. That's it. That's all you need to know. All right.

You don't need to worry about it. And we live in the desert. You know what? They're not even a fucking sponsor anymore, but I still use liquid IV. I put it in the water to drink more water. Well, maybe if they see this, they'll get back on board. Yeah. The point is, any kind of supplement to water

that has a bunch of stupid vitamins and hangover remedies, it doesn't affect how much water you're drinking, right? Well, it may. I mean, if you hydrate, it's better to overhydrate. 64 ounces a day, which is a lot. Almost two in a day. If there's sugar in the 64 ounces I'm drinking because of liquid IV, that's not penalizing, might it?

No. If you drank caffeine, it might because then you're peeing more. Then you're not actually... Say you take in a glass, but you're also peeing out two glasses. All right. Let me get to the fucking stupidest ones

and we'll move on. Biotin. Skin and nails. You look fantastic. Akin HL. I don't have these, but... St. John's

Wort. Turmeric. Turmeric's supposed to be good for us Turmeric's supposed to be good for us. Turmeric is supposed to have no fissile fear. Valerian root. Yeah, that's supposed to be good. Melatonin. Valerian root also helps with menopause symptoms.

Or menopause in your case. Alright. I don't know how much of this bullshit chia, flaxseed, all this stuff I put in the... Flaxseed's good.

That's it. Stuff you can't put into smoothies. I just, I do flaxseed, but then I look up, oh, well, you can also put ginger

and chia seeds and hemp seeds. How much shit do you really need to put in a smoothie? Not a lot. No, you're not a dietician. Oh, yeah, please hold. Dump seeds. How much shit do you really need to put in a smoothie? Not a lot. No, you're not a dietician.

Oh, yeah. Please hold. You were listening to the Doug Stanhope Podcast. Are we done with... Is there any other things that I... There's a few things that we could go over. So your A1C, which uh an important one uh is great 4.9 no diabetes yay all right so diabetes is 6.5 much like an earthquake uh 4.9 and 6.5 are very far apart yeah that's a good thing he's got he's of his. He puts in frames of that every six months or so.

He puts in the new one. And we're going to swing dicks at who has fucking lower or higher scores. Yeah, no diabetes is great. Yep. So the cholesterol is 255. The HDL or happy cholesterol is good at 32. Your lousy cholesterol or LDL, it's 10 it's 106 supposed to be around 100 or a little less than 100 it's 106 yeah that's fine and then again your triglycerides are pretty much through the

roof and what does it matter so oh well that was i was getting to that one this pharmacist gave me the statins he said oh i made some joke about the cholesterol. And he goes, yeah, well, now that you're on these, you can eat anything you want. Don't tell me that. I'm overreacting in a good way. I'm like, yeah. Well, and that's what a lot of Americans do. We don't change our behaviors.

We just take a pill and go from there. I ordered a lot of supplements, too. so with your cholesterol uh so you do what they call uh the cardiovascular risk and i put your blood pressure in and your age and you know former smoker and you come out with a 17.5 10-year risk of cardiovascular disease what's that mean that means in 10 years you got a 17.5 percent risk of like cardiovascular disease. What's that mean? That means in 10 years, you got a 17.5% risk of cardiovascular disease,

heart attack, stroke, stuff like that. Okay, but that's not the COPD. He's going to live to 66. Jesus. But you got a 69% lifetime risk. All right. Eventually.

Yeah. So, you know, it's like a warning sign in your car when the gas light goes on you know if you take corrective action you know it's not going to break down no eventually if you put gas in the car you're going to be fine yeah but then eventually something's going to go wrong so why bother get a new costume. Hemoglobin. You're a globin. Hemoglobin. We'll start you on the statin therapy. We'll check back with you in three months. I'm just reading words.

Your handwriting is very doctor-esque. I was going to use a serial killer. Attack parasites. You, attack parasites. You have attack parasites down. Were you drinking when you did this? Probably. Oh, yeah, because your eosinophils were slightly elevated. No big deal.

Told you. And what are eosinophils? They're white blood cells. They're soldiers that go out to fight battles, allergic reactions. They attack parasites, stuff like that. I want you to talk to me like you're a kid's doctor. Okay, imagine the white blood cells are mean monsters. Bingo's going to get an appointment.

She wants a full checkup from him too. So, yeah, maybe you can do that for her. 64 ounces of water daily. I'm doing it. God damn it. Your B12, by the way, on the next page was great.

And your vitamin D was great. 34. Oh, B12. That's, yeah. And then the other thing, that's, yeah. Liquid IV. And then the other thing, your prostate was fine. No kidding. Yep.

Wow. Yep. That's what he eats. I mean, I do check it rather often. People do it for me. Get the oil changed. All right. People do it for me. I get the oil changed. I get it. All right.

So these are the things that I was, yeah, we're getting a murder here. How would I know? Like, yeah, fuck it. Let me try that. Enough medical talk. Oh, yeah. No, I want to do shitting and puking because this is the thing I forgot to tell you. When I went into the office, I had already had like half a dozen bouts of random volatile diarrhea and vomiting to the point of dehydration.

Can't hold water down. For how many days? No longer than 24-hour period, but that whole 24 hours. And I drank every night until the last few nights. And the first three times, I had taken an edible and eaten like a fucking pig. Just eating everything. Nonsensically. But I didn't start vomiting or shitting until more than 12 hours later.

I ended at 11 o'clock at night, and 1 o'clock in the afternoon, having felt fine, just all of a sudden bleh. So that's typically like a gastroenteritis type of thing. You got a bad burrito, or you ate some leftovers that you shouldn't have been eating, or something like that. This was three times

in four weeks, and then two other times since and then it broke pattern where i didn't eat almost anything and then it was just my body couldn't it was just getting rid of every thing so it's six times in uh eight ten weeks so there is something called hyperemesis, where if you take in marijuana products that you can react like that. It's typically vomiting less than diarrhea, but you could have that. So if you're doing the marijuana products, you could stop that and just do a test and see. But yeah, that's the thing. There was never a consistent pattern. Two of the times there was no weed involved at all, but there's a heavy eating.

Then there was none of it. And then, well, then there was Joe Rogan. But there was no volatile diarrhea on that. That was something completely different. I don't put that in the same category because it was all lucid and not, you know, hung over. Yeah. So I should have told you that before all this. Maybe you could have looked for something.

Hey, we'll take a break and refill these beers. And then sad, sad murder. As opposed to the happy murder that you typically hear about. Still surprised that his liver enzymes are... They're better than mine were in my last checkup. Is those the ones I called you about? They were AST and ALT. If you started saying that, I would tune you out. They were AST and ALT. I remember I talked to them. If you started saying that, I would tune you out. They were elevated.

Yours are fine. And that doesn't, like, the world is unfair is all that I'm trying to say. You can't run from genetics, too, you know? So maybe there's some component to that. And some people, they don't, you know, they'll eat a plant-based diet, but their cholesterol is through the roof. So why is that? Genetics. Genetics.

Speaking of. Nice job. cholesterol's through the roof so why is that genetics genetics speaking god nice show that i said i didn't want to assume that you're a booze bag but i can't figure from booze bag you know i mean you can't do anything i was in the military for 20 years right so you can't you can't you can't be that way i can way. Okay, I'm putting you in the same category as Dave Rader booze bag. Not fighting to struggle with addiction booze bag. Like fun booze bag. Like Cook's font. Right, right. Like, ah, let's whip apples at the neighbor's house.

Whip and grab apples. That kind of problem. Right. Your brother, not so lucky. Not so lucky. And this goes back to, again, 8 or 10 was probably the last time. I remember you being around the Coase Pond scene. But your brother's how much older?

So he's three years older. So he's 61. All right. And he's been in jail for 40 years for murder. Murder one, life without parole. And he had a reputation when we were kids. He was an asshole. Yeah.

But we never had an issue with you as a family. There were fucking assholes that we had problems with, like Jody Reynolds and guys like that that break into your fucking house and steal your booze. But you never had a... But he was... You knew your brother's name. You're my brother's age. He's two years older than me.

But your brother, he was, like, when you're that age, two years is a fucking huge deal. It's a big jump, yeah. Yeah, so three years, he was a fucking rager. He was. And, you know, like, for me, going, like like siblings weren't something that were wonderful and joyous family. You know, siblings were something you avoided at all costs or else you end up hanging from, you know, a tree with a hose in your pant leg or something, you know. Yeah. Jeff Brown and my brother, I was that guy.

They'd do spit hangers over my face, hold me down, beat my ankles with a spoon. Yeah, that was it. Good times, good times. But, yeah, he was a jerk and a terrorizer and, you know, much. He ended up getting in a fight, a bar fight. up getting in a fight and um a bar fight and the whole thing was that he and another guy that he hung out with from uh lennox square or whatever in between newton and tatnick um but they got in a fight with a guy out in shrewsbury and uh they said that hey they got a sample of coke and the other guy that was with my brother said hey, this isn't the same stuff that you gave me as a sample.

This is different. And he was an asshole, too. So fight ensued, and, you know, just a regular, essentially a regular bar fight, you know, which in Worcester is, you know, you go out, you get in a fight. Take it out in the parking lot yeah so he ended up dying unfortunately and I'm told that he was a nice guy and whatnot but they got him for murder one with extreme atrocity they said that they his that he was pre planning the murder before it happened, like an hour before it happened, you know,

because you have to have premeditation for it. And I don't know. But so anyways, long story short, we got a shitty lawyer. Yeah, this story was legendary, obviously, to us, because this happened in 1984. So I would have been 17, I believe, where you don't even know anyone who's died yet, much less committed a murder.

To this day, even before I knew that you were around here, every several years, I'd Google, hey, whatever happened to Jeff Sinclair? And then I'd fucking get a book in the mail. Of course, I think it's something I bought drunk on Amazon. I'd go, oh, maybe I Googled

him, and I saw your return address with Sierra Vista. And that's how we reconnected. Yeah, which is pretty amazing. Yeah. He put out a self-published book. Yeah. So let me color in a little bit. So we got a crappy family lawyer.

And he did a horrible job and, you know, never even filed an appeal and never put forth, hey, you can plead down to manslaughter or murder too. But at the time, you know, manslaughter and murder too, when you're 20 years old and you're looking at 20 years, that's a lifetime. Yeah. So you're not going to do that. And most people thought, myself included, everybody included, that it was a manslaughter case.

There were no weapons used aside from hands and feet, which, of course, can kill you and be bad. So he ended up getting convicted. The day the police came to the house, I thought they were coming to get me because I had been involved in a flight similar the night before. And I was like, the cops knock on the door. They said, are you Jeffrey? I was like, oh, thank God. No, he's upstairs. So they dragged him out in cuffs. And that day, I changed my whole life trajectory. You know, once the trial started happening, I stopped hanging around with the people I was hanging around. I stopped hanging around with the girl I was going out with.

Started going to the library because nobody would find me in the library. Started reading self-help books and just taking total corrective action. Were you like getting to a place? I was 100% there. Wow. I didn't know that. I thought you were one of the good ones. Well, I was, but I don't know what it is,

but we have a tendency to go from zero to 100, you know, hot. So fighting was just an option. And really, I ended up learning martial arts and stuff, but what I really learned was that I was fighting because I didn't know how to deal with the stress of the situation I was fighting because i didn't know how to deal with the stress of the situation i was being put in you know and and this is obviously what led you into the military uh somewhat i i actually my sister is a nurse and she said you know i my when i went to school Worcester State

and the first year out of high school I did horrible because of course I was doing stupid stuff and partying all night and doing poorly in school so I told my parents well actually my parents told me when they saw my grades they were like yeah you know what you're not taking this seriously so

we're not paying for school oh fine fuck you I don't need you. Storm out of the house. And I was like, oh, Jesus. Now what do I do? And then I ended up joining the National Guard and they wanted me to drive a tank. I was like, well, driving a tank would be cool, but I'd really like to do something that has a civilian job. So they said, what about being a medic? I said, yeah, like medic EM EMT and that'd be cool. So I went to school for that. And then that's kind of my first

exposure to the military. Right. I don't want to get off Jeff. It's important. And we are, as I told you, we're murderer friendly on the podcast. We have a couple of regulars that call in. I just got a friend Twyman just sent me a picture of regulars that call in. I just got a friend, Twyman, just sent me a picture.

He murdered his mother off his meds kind of way. But this kid is out. This kid basically is on work release seven years later. Your brother, 40 years. And at this point, no chance in Massachusetts. So he went to the Supreme Court. They said no. They did say that, you know, yes, your lawyer did suck.

Unfortunately, it doesn't say that you're entitled to a good lawyer. So too bad, so sad, see you later. And now the only possible, so he just got his shot, final shoot down six months ago. I guess it was a year about now. And I thought for sure he'd suicide out, you know, because that's it. Parents are dead. No more chance. And over 40 years, you thought that several times.

I thought he was going to do it from day one. Yeah. I can't imagine. I would have done it. I can't picture being in that situation for 40 years. And at Walpole, Walpole's the worst of the worst, scared straight, all that stuff.

It's like a combat zone. From what I'm told, it's a racial thing. So guess what? If you're white, then you're with the whites. And if you're told to go to the yard and everybody's doing battle, then you got to go. You know, that was in Walpole. But once you get out of Walpole and you got into Norfolk, which is just down the street two miles, but it's a world of difference. So he got a job and he started taking.

So Walpole, they're just warehousing. Walpole is closed now. oh yeah yeah but in Norfolk they do some rehabilitation so they do like a you know one you have a job two you can go to like classes on victim what's it called? I don't know. I have to redo it. But basically, the families of people that have been murdered come into the prison. Oh, yeah. Yeah, okay. And they'll talk to the people. And, you know, just by seeing that, okay, you know, you murdered somebody,

but I can see you're still a human. Yeah. And it really sucks that you did this, you know. So each side tells you about the impact. It helps both sides. Yeah. So like a victim impact. That's not what it is, but it's something similar to that.

Reparative justice, that's what it's called. So he started doing that, and he started, you know, learning how to speak Spanish, And now he's teaching guys like when you grow up speaking Spanish a lot, just like us, you don't learn proper English. You know, you don't learn how to conjugate the verbs and what the hell's a verb. Yeah. You know, so he's been putting stuff out there. He's working. He's, you know, he's positive.

stuff out there he's working he's you know he's positive so instead of getting the suicide he became more positive more focused on uh on what involved yeah because when you said yeah i would definitely suicide out as would always be my first thought you know, just a fucking DUI. Four hours? I don't know. I'm scared. This lunch is awful. But, like, when you think about 40 years and he's now in his 60s and finding purpose for the first time in his life, I would be scared to get out. Right. Because we're not preaching that.

We're saying write the governor. But I, personally. No, it'd be, you know, it'd be a hell of a change. right because we're not preaching that we're saying write the governor but yeah i personally no it'd be you know it'd be a hell of a change because when he went in you know uh there were no atms there were no cell phones or you know maybe if somebody rich guy had a cell phone but not ubiquitous like everybody has one uh so yeah it'd be a hell of a change uh he does you know have access like i'm able to send him an email. They don't have computers, like, with open access, but they do have tablets that they can just go with certain places. You know, they can't do porn and stuff.

And they've long since gotten rid of, you know, Hustler and all the magazines in the prison because it was sexual harassment to the guards, you know. Oh, yeah. No, everything. Smoking. I think smoking was probably the last thing yeah the last where they go but they're gonna fucking riot yeah you're trying to kill us you're trying to have us killed you're gonna take cigarettes out of prisons no so so then he he came up he proposed the idea to me that he wanted to write a book about being in a positive mindset, regardless of circumstances. I was like, holy crap, that's pretty amazing. And the first thing I heard was, oh, shit, I'm going to have to learn how to write a book because I don't know anything about this. And, you know, so he started writing stuff down and I started putting it on computer and editing it.

And it was really hard not to edit my own thoughts into his interpretation because, you know, you and your brother, different views on the world and what's right, you know, but I kept wanting to change stuff. So I just said, okay, I'm going to put it in exactly. I'll let my wife edit a little bit because she doesn't have that experience. And I don't agree with everything that he put in the book, you know, but the take-home point, there's several take-home points. One, that being positive in any mind state, you know, you get what you give.

So if you put out negative, you get back negative. And he started putting out positive, got back positive. The other thing is, you know, in there, there's a part on and about brain science. And that brain science is basically science that says when you're a young developing adult you're an insane person you know we all know that's right so you make rash decisions you make bad decisions you get volatile quickly you know and as you get older that all goes away and you learn how to get along or you hopefully learn how to

get along. And so there's a big part of that. And, you know, if I didn't have my brother's situation, I could easily be one of those guys. Hey, you know what? They did the crime, let them do the time too bad, have a nice life. I know it's one of the first things you said to me when we talked about it at the appointment was it made me a nice life. In my notes, one of the first things you said to me when we talked about it at the appointment was it made me a better person.

Yeah. You would have been that guy. Yeah. Yeah, probably. And I would have been just another carbon copy of my brother had his situation

not happened. So I become a better person and I try and help those around me in whatever circumstances they're in, you know,

to get healthy, to get, get whatever they need're in uh you know to get healthy to get get whatever they need should you ever get to a point where you're like fuck you you did this to yourself like i mean how many arcs of his oh you mean to my brother yeah oh yeah i hate to use recovery as a word but to get to the point where he is where where he's like, fuck you and lashing back at the system. And then there's family as well. Were there times where you're like, I don't need this? Most of the time in the early years, you know, I was like, you know, you, you got yourself here and I don't think you're going to be able to get out of this one, you know? So much like the guy then died, uh, you know, if you get stabbed and then walk 300 yards or die three years later from it, it's still trauma-related, you know, death.

You said you got into a fight the same way the night before. Did you send that guy flowers still to make sure he's all right? No, but, no, but, you know, know it's I just changed yeah but I talk about that all the time where you're on stage where you have to realize how close we were at any given time when you read a story about kids throwing a

cinder block off an overpass but it kills a lady now how many fucking times was that us with the cinder block way too many times. Yes. You know, and you get away with some of it, but you don't always. And one bad decision to get in that fight, you know, to do whatever, take the drink, drive, whatever the case may be.

And early on, I had like dreams that I'd be in jail. And, you know, I'd wake up and just be sweating. But then I learned how to control my dreams and stuff. And then so I could. What do you mean by early on? When he got arrested. OK. So the first 10 years I'd wake up thinking I'm in jail.

So you can lucid dream now? Yeah, pretty much. Because of that? Well, not because of that. Because of the work I put in to read about it because I didn't like being in that dream. I'd wake up, my heart pounding and stuff.

Now, I can just get out of the dream by turning it off, essentially. Do you know that you're in it? Yeah. That's a whole other conversation. When we're looking at my diabetes, when I was a kid, Yeah. Yeah. That's a whole other conversation. But I, when we're looking at my diabetes,

when I was a kid, I always knew that one day I'd go to, go to prison and I'd have diabetes. And I think it's because you're threatened with that. If you keep eating candy, you know, you're going to get diabetes. If you fucking keep talking back, you're going to wind up in jail.

And I was was terrified as a 1979 it's like 11 years old knowing that this was going to happen to me yeah because candy was too good and then uh back to the book with uh so now the only option that he has, well, there's two options. One, that there's a societal change towards prisoners as opposed to screw them, keep them locked up forever. Maybe society will say, you know, maybe when you get locked up at 21, you shouldn't be in jail for the rest of your life. If you can show that you've grown or participated or whatever. And, you know, who knows? I never thought we'd see like legalization of marijuana or anything like that. But here it is.

I think the only way you could really make that happen from a personality point of view as a candidate or whatever is to kind of criminalize your brother and go, this is bullshit. These guys should be out on the street paying for their own fucking, you shouldn't come out of the taxpayer. This guy's 61. He's not going to cause any problems. And you should be tired of paying for this fucking asshole and make him an asshole again to get him out. And I think that's the only way it works is trick the customer.

Well, that's a way. Hang on. I just want to, how do we get the book? Any of the local Amazon or whatever. It's on Amazon. That's all you need to say. Walking in Darkness, Walking in Light by Jeffrey A. Sinnott. S-I-N-N-O-T-T.

I just wanted to get that out there. I didn't want to cut you off. No, I appreciate it. Yeah. So then the other possibility is a governor's commutation right and what's the what's the chances of that yeah i don't know i i don't remember who it is right now but you know obviously it's low chances you know essentially zero but they just the other day, the lifers group that they're, that they have at the prison, they had five representatives from Massachusetts, Worcester,

and a whole bunch of other places talking to the lifers group about trying to affect change, you know, and really, if you keep him in jail till he's dead, you know, 80% of the costs when he's on life support and stuff are going to come near the end of his life. So you're going to spend way more money keeping him alive. Kill him, right? Earlier on, like just go with the death penalty or don't warehouse them, but teach them skills so when they go back out, welding or something. So when they go out, they can get a job. Teach them how to be a human person.

Yeah, and that's why you have to say that like an asshole. Because otherwise they turn that into coddling. No, you want your fucking you're not gonna want to you're not gonna want to release an asshole exactly so if you say it's more cost effective to rehabilitate a person who's now been in jail for 40 years and get them out into this program than it is to just keep them in jail and, you know, keep the guards union working. Right. Fucking unions are the biggest fucking problem in most of these prison justice fucking equations,

correctional officers, police unions, anything. Well, there's murder. I think maybe One of us should run for governor of Massachusetts My god Who wants to run You know like your whole life gets picked apart Presidency

Are you kidding me I don't want Biden I don't want Trump can't we get somebody that's Reasonable and maybe 60 years old You know I don't follow the sport it's just like politics is something that happens yeah it's like predators yeah but you know part of part of the thing too as you may recall my mom was in politics. Oh, that's right. She was the vice mayor of Worcester.

When he got arrested, of course, big scandal. Everyone was saying, oh, they're going to get off because they're rich. We were never rich. We had a big house, but no money. Yeah, we did that for a few years in Paxton, where we

had the biggest house right in the town square because my stepfather, yeah, but it was shit. The inside was just complete fucking horse hair plastered, bad electricity, but it looked like we had money even though we didn't. We still wore tough skins

when everyone had Levi's. It sucked, but yeah, you had a fucking mansion. It was part of the Underground Railroad. Yeah, it was pretty neat. We'd go there for, you had a fucking mansion. Yeah, it was part of the Underground Railroad. Yeah, it was pretty neat. We'd go there for you know, 6th grade field trips. Yeah, it was pretty neat.

And then we did that. We'd go to my house for field trips until our pony stepped on Timmy St. Pierre's foot and broke his foot. That was the end of that. I wish it shined in right there. Well, never forget Timmy St. Pierre with that fucking limp.

All right, sir. Overall, I'm so excited to hear you don't have kids. I don't know why you had that picture, but now I know we can actually hang out again. Yeah. Yeah. Never wanted them. I liked them them you know but my so out of four kids one sister had kids which kind of confirmed our other decisions not to have kids but you know my brother was down so no kids i just never saw the need for plus my mom always

was like boy this sucks having kids. There's a lot of that in the book. You pick up on that as a kid. Somehow, you all survive. We all survive, or some of us don't. Salmon running up the stream, and some get eaten by the bear, and some make it up

just to blow their load and go floating back downstream. It was a pleasure, sir. We'll have you back with the fucking new blood work and just to hang out. Let's eat some chili. Sally? Hey, Bingo, come take us out live.

Come run, run, run. Run! Run! Wardrobe change. I work for Raider. God damn it. Okay. Okay.

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