The Doug Stanhope Podcast - Ep. #227: Mr. Hennigan's Burning Man

Episode Date: October 1, 2017

Mr. Hennigan is back from week on the Playa and treats Doug, Chad Shank, New Neighbor Johnathon and Chaille with his version of Burning Man 2017. Recorded Sept 07th, 2017 at the FunHouse in Bisbee, AZ with Doug Stanhope (@DougStanhope), Brian Hennigan (@MrHennigan), Johnathon, Chad Shank (@HDFatty), & Ggreg Chaille (@gregchaille). Produced & Edited by Chaille. Doug's second book, "This Is Not Fame", is now available for pre-order on Amazon - http://amzn.to/2xR3ASA . (Book scheduled for release Dec. 05, 2017). This episode is sponsored by DRAFT.com – New players get a FREE entry into a draft when you make your first deposit! Use promo code DOUG and play a real money game for FREE! ALL THINGS COMEDY Comedy Festival (OCT 26-29) presents The Doug Stanhope Podcast LIVE with Doug Stanhope, Chad Shank, Greg Chaille and Special Guests @ The Orpheum Theater Thu - 10/26 8:00pm in Phoenix, AZ. Tickets at https://phoenix.ticketforce.com/eventperformances.asp?evt=371 Join the Doug Stanhope podcast at the Orpheum Theatre in Phoenix, AZ on October 26 for a LIVE podcast More Stanhope 2017 Tour Dates at http://www.dougstanhope.com/tour-dates/. Get on the Mailing List. LINKS: Chad Shank Voice Over info at AudioShank.com Support the Innocence Project - http://www.innocenceproject.org/ Doug's DVD/CDs are all available at DougStanhope.com/storeSupport the show: http://www.Patreon.com/stanhopepodcast

There goes my hope that he was the guy that ran into the fire at Burning Man. Hannigan. I love you. Hannigan, get on the air. No, no, you're going. No, he wants whiskey. He wants Dewars. Straight up rocks.

Hannigan fresh off of Burning Man she'll make it for you but talk into the mic. Did you or did you not know that a guy ran into the Burning Man to kill himself? Yeah. Did you see it?

I didn't see it, no. People in my camp saw it okay so that's not something you heard on the news on your i heard about it pretty much immediately because people came back to the camp hall shell-shocked because they actually saw it wow that would be the shell-shocked i would have been running back going you missed the fucking best part yeah yeah there yeah it was not really a killer termite type camp well duncan trussell was there yeah he was in he's a by pure coincidence in a neighboring camp brett here's the thing brett and kerry were there they saw it and they didn't run back going whoo it was hilarious they were pretty shocked well they their serotonin was low they know their audience they were hennigan calls me

or texts me or types at me from burning man oh i now i realize uh don't bring people to a party that are going to be big more popular than you are. Yeah. He brought fucking Erickson and Mitchell, and they immediately turned the fucking volume up, and then Brian's there not tripping, not drugging, having a few cocktails. Oh, I was here first.

Yeah, you don't make a joke like you didn't do drugs a burning man i never do drugs what do you go to burning man for so i cannot be myself uh i got you if you see what i mean no no everyone's everyone's behind you believe me everyone i tell i go to burning man always says really you're not really the Burning Man type? Right, yeah, no, as soon as you say that, that makes sense. But everyone supports him in not being himself. Yeah. Also, there is a way in which I, again, the very important way that I, and I know I'm repeating myself,

one of the reasons I like Burning Man is because it's a city of 70,000 people built in the desert almost overnight by people who do that shit it's not a bunch of fucking passengers it's people who do things now yes there are passengers sparkle ponies people who just turn up for the whoo you know but our camp isn't really one of those well i was quite... The news reports, the guy who ran into the flames, is that they were saying that there was like a cordon of sort of, you know, sort of state officials

and firemen trying to stop him. And I thought that was a bit strange because I was imagining there'd be no sort of organized... They had to add 600 security people to let the burning man burn. Okay. They wanted to add 600 security people to let the Burning Man burn. They wanted to stop it. Because I didn't think there'd be any sort of...

Let the Burning Man burn. I didn't think there'd be any kind of security or firemen there. It'd just be like, you know, there'd be an old hippie who'd say, hey, man, you should probably do that. Burning Man is not on private ground. Burning Man is on BLM ground so the BLM can go wherever they want and do whatever they want

as can the Nevada Sheriffs the Nevada Sheriffs you know they're not Nevada Sheriffs they're wherever the fucking county is but they can search you, they can stop you at any point you actually tweeted can stop you at any point. You actually tweeted that, that again, you would, as far as security goes, you would choose Burning Man security over TSA if you're trying to keep bombs off of planes. gate by these you know very friendly burning man types with all the sort of nose rings and and and strange hair and tattoos and odd costumes that you'd expect but they're all basically

frankly graduates or something like that and and then so you pull up in your rv or your car or whatever and they they're what they tell it they you know they hey hoo ha and they're they're very burning manny in terms of how they greet you and then they just say hey we're gonna look in your ass and then they just say okay i'm gonna use the back of my hand this is not sexual this time this is a free one and then they just say we're coming on board or look like open up all your doors or whatever and they know what they're looking for and they're and they're again i hate to say this but they're they're young they're motivated they're intelligent they're not they're looking for. And they're, again, I hate to say this, but they're young, they're motivated, they're intelligent.

They're going to find it. What are they looking for? They're looking for people, mostly. Okay. But also, you're not allowed to have anything. Wait, wait, wait. Hang on. Jonathan, I don't know if you've met Jonathan.

No. But he knows you and he agrees that you sound like a posh lad. He's been looking at him with contempt past me for quite some time now. Well, he's English. Oh, I knew exactly what. We'll fan those flames later, but let's stay with Burning Man. I've been like the contempt buffer.

They're looking for people and they're looking for firearms. Hey, that's why I wanted to ask Jonathan or you. Fireworks. Well, drive-in theaters. Tom Konopka is here in the background. You remember when drive-in theaters, they'd charge you by the head, but you'd smuggle your friends in the trunk. I don't know if you had those in the UK.

No. And I'm thriving with our weather. So is that the same? Because I was wondering why they look for people. Is that the same concept? Yeah, it's like, how... It's $500 to get in. And there's a limited number of tickets.

So if you show up with an RV, it's basically like Border Patrol. How many people are you smuggling into the fucking country, you mule, you coyote? Difference is... Well, regardless, there's a lot of difference. But again, it's like they've got one kind of you know the difference is clever hippie doing it who i guarantee is as good as any border

patrol guy and is not doesn't need all of that fucking support behind but they're not they're not taking your drugs away or else no be going to burning man no they're they're also looking for uh the amount of provisions for the amount of people. No, they're not. That was the big part of the list that we were looking at. They do not. That's the list. That's what's on their website. You turn up with nothing

and you got a ticket, they'll let you in. I'm not saying that. This is Burning Man. Isn't it funny that the man now goes to the fucking Burning Man. Isn't it funny that the man now goes to the fucking Burning Man? It's Woodstock for the man. Is there a sort of like VIP entrance and sort of VIP

tickets for... You can fly in. Yeah, you told me that. That doesn't make it better. No, I'm just saying you can, though, which is the de facto VIP now. If there was a holiday in Express that I could get a shuttle bus to the fun three hours,

five hours I'd have. Well, people just come for a weekend, but you still have to pay for the same ticket. Well, you have to parachute in. There are people who come just for the Thursday, Friday, Saturday of the last weekend. They've bought the same ticket. Well, you have to parachute in. There are people who come just for the Thursday, Friday, Saturday of the last weekend. They've bought the same ticket as everyone else.

I don't understand. Well, first of all, you, you of all people, who hates fun. Again, it depends what your definition. I mean, tell me about a day day just one day that you spent at burning man like 24 hours because i know you you get hammered you drink your drink uh well again the best and we're lucky because in our camp we have early entry which means uh we get to see

all the art being built and that's something people don't seem to talk about a lot. I'll be honest, I wasn't even that aware of it myself until I went. I thought it was just dancing and drugs and stuff. But Burning Man is essentially an art festival where people, like, and this is where there's a direct analogy with what you have. See those

like, those steel or whatever they are? Palm trees out there. Yeah. There are people who build things like that, but on a much bigger scale. For just a couple days. Just for a week.

Yeah. Wow. And that's where the money goes. So you've got 70,000 people times $500. Most of the money goes to art and creating obscure and wonderful. There was this. Let me make an analogy it's kind of like when we did the swap cast here in bisbee we charged people 25 dollars a head and chaley spent it all on the set design and burt kreischer walked out with nothing and chaley made 50 dollars yeah well that's a that's one way to look at it.

I didn't bring this up in front of Bert on the swap test. You have to really like art, is what you're saying. Like, yeah. Chaley's touchy about that. But there's some very, there are some, some of the art is just astonishing. Like, just amazing to look at. So were you helping set up? No, what we do, our camp is called Feed the Artists,

and we turn up early because we go around at night with very good food for the artists. Because most of them... What do you make? Because I see what you eat. Okay, so this year was the first year where I had had to cater a day, so I was a day leader. This year was the first year where I had had to cater a day.

So I was a day leader. So that meant I had to feed the camp of 80 people for one day. So I made just a very boring, bland Scottish breakfast, which is just like bacon, eggs, and that sort of shite. Oh, and potato scones with brown sauce. So it's the punish the artist breakfast? No, no, no. I don't do the artist day that's because when you're catering for the in the setup week you have to feed 160 people which is a lot is that when you go for deep fried pizzas and heroin no no stop making the obvious

i mean really he's already done a podcast. Sorry. We tried to stage this so we could pit you two against each other. But we just want to hear about you. Yeah, okay. So, yeah, that's really it. And so, like, a good day. So you didn't go there to just feed people?

No, I go there. I mean, I'll be honest. I mostly go there to just feed people no i go that i mean i'll be honest i most i mostly go there to take photographs do you ever get naked and walk around naked not really not really really well i mean i do in my own house but not at burning no at burning man i'm saying no no you don't just feed artists no day and no okay here's the analogy that you'll get duck right every single time time you see an article about everyone loves going to the Edinburgh Fringe Festival, and they always say Fringe Festival rather than Festival of Fringe,

there's a picture of a fucking juggler, right? Yeah. Because it's visual. How much does juggling matter in the festival at Edinburgh? Not a bit, but it's visual visual and newspapers like to put it in. Therefore, when newspapers are writing about Burning Man, oh, let's get a picture of a cookie-looking chick with a nose ring and somebody throwing...

Yeah, most of them are half naked. I did a picture of Burning Man pictures. I noticed a theme in the Burning Man photo. But how representative that is of what Burning Man is is almost not did you get laid at Burning Man I would never talk about that

later you'll tell me nope I tried to wink at Hennigan and he looked away from me it's an obvious yes. But go on. Point being, no one wants to hear about that part. I want to hear about what you do.

You assume everyone's on some kind of good drugs. Yeah, I mean, here's the thing. I mean, in terms of like Chad talking about. Hang on. Let me put it in this uh fashion compare burning man to our own personal death valley right which is not an obvious comparison yes uh the difference would be uh they're a big difference again i i got a lot of this to do with who you're hanging out with obviously you're not hanging out with 70 000 people you're hanging out with people you know

which is mostly your camp particularly if your camp has a purpose for being there right uh and all i know is that uh our camp is not poor right so shit so when it comes to brian weiner is a guy that we know he's i met him in florida yeah yeah he's a great guy great guy sold like a dot com for a billion dollars and now all he does is well now you just ruined all of my fucking jokes about uh not helping other people because that guy really helps a lot of people he's a really good guy he's the shawnee of burning man how's that for an example well he does everything he can build everything. He can do everything.

He never runs out of energy. There are people in our camp who are embarrassingly and shamefully manlike and practical and who can build, oh, hang on. I'll take apart your engine and rebuild it, that type of thing. And then I'll do something else after lunch. Shawnee. Yeah. after lunch. So... Shawnee. Yeah, so...

And there are other people who basically contribute more to the camp, and let's put it in blunt terms, financially, than others. You know? But to go back to the question about the drugs, there are no shit drugs in my orbit, shall we say.

There's no one going, oh, that was a bit dodgy this is you know there are people that people there know their drugs feed the artist is known as ignore the homeless in la that was the joke i wanted to make until i knew that that's not true those guys but you sold it really i didn't even get it. I laughed. Again, the point would be, again, just go back to the drugs.

I just want to know one 24-hour cycle of yours. You feed the thing. Then you start drinking what? What do you drink? I drink vodka straight. Because... You have ice there? Yeah, of course. That's the do you drink? I drink vodka straight. Ugh. Because of the ice there? Well, yeah, of course. That's the one thing you can buy.

$4 a bag. The one thing you can buy is ice. Gouge them. And coffee as well. You can buy coffee in the central camp. But that's too far away. And you guys had your own coffee press. Yeah, so you can buy ice.

You can't buy water. What time do you go to bed? Typically, for me, I'd go to bed most of the time between 2 and 3, and some nights I'll stay up all night. All right, so the best night you had, or the best 24-hour cycle, you woke up at what time? Round about, well, you have to get up for brunch, which is we do two meals a day.

So I probably woke up about 11 and then went straight to breakfast at 11.30. And then, let me think. Oh yeah, so I arranged, there are these things called art cars. But I think they're, and they're very interesting to look at but the ones i'm interested in are the ones that i would think were better described if you were an art

car you have no idea that could be fucking gretchen's hillary clinton thing right and let's be honest that'd be a bit of a disappointment if you're driven that far to see that fucking car i mean uh i'm not you know i'm not saying it's not artistic but it's not worth driving that distance whereas um if i tell you i like the things i'm interested in primarily are i would describe as sound buses they're enormous mobile contraptions that blast edm extraordinary levels in a localized way this is a very important point that i understood today this this trip because i spoke to an audio engineer who was there they have to be able to calibrate their sound projection in a way that it doesn't drown the entire festival and that's very

precise do you know how they do that um Somebody explained it to me and it involved science so I forgot it. He didn't read it in Smartfuck magazine. But the good thing is I'm now aware of it so I will read up. But yeah, so there's this thing called Aztec Warrior which is just a, it's like a humongous

laser and light equipped battleship that goes across the playa and basically takes with it a happy you know fucking legion of drugged out dancing people and it just goes all night and then there's another one

called Robot Heart and the other one I always go out with is called the Forest House so I'm mostly interested. Tell us about Forest House. So I'm mostly interested. Well, tell us about Forest House. Forest House is a brilliant contraption that is made by this guy from New England called Christopher Bouton.

And it looks, when you first look at it, it looks like an illuminated asparagus forest. There's no other way to describe it. And it's based on a bus a bus structure and all the stocks of asparagus shall we say change color constantly and it just roves across an entirely flat playa blasting out tunes then stopping every now and then but don't you understand how much better that would be on drugs oh i was picturing him throwing out like acid, like bubble gum, like a parade. I guess bear in mind, there's Nevada sheriffs and BLM everywhere.

This is not unregulated land. I know, but wouldn't those colors be so... You wouldn't know. You've never done hallucinogens. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Uh-oh. Uh-oh.

I haven't. So, again, I don't have the hunger. Even there... I've had to explain this thing about hunger a lot. And you know this, what I'm about to say. Don't stand up. Which is, in philosophy, it's called a secondary order desire. You cannot have a hunger to be hungry.

I cannot be addicted to cigarettes without smoking cigarettes. You cannot have that. Apart from in the song Montego Bay, where he says, I thirst to be thirsty in Montego Bay. That makes sense because it's an artistic thing. But on a philosophical point, you cannot want to be hungry. And I

don't have a hunger for drugs. I understand that. But you were obviously around a lot of people who were on different drugs and hallucinogens and things. Oh, for sure. I mean, the curiosity to see... They seem to be having more fun

than you there you just find them okay again let me give you another example on the way back and you know i've been there a lot vegas i stopped for two nights in vegas because i wanted to decompress i i walked through a casino i never think i want to gamble ever and you know people like that. Right? I'm one of them. Right. But that's because I'm poor. So that's a whole different perspective.

Okay, right. But literally, do you have a hunger when you walk through a casino to gamble? No, not at all. Right. So you understand what it's like to be surrounded by every type of gambling, but not one. And not understand the attraction. Exactly. I do. Thank not understand the attraction. Exactly. Thank you for the analogy.

There you go. You just think I want to go home because this is boring but you're not doing that. You're staying as a burning man. Because again for me it's about the art and the photography. And Brian is admiring things on a level people don't need. These are

productive people and Brian admires the productive people i get that i'm gonna make the analogy brian is like a child who's never experienced anything so just having a a kickball that he can kick up against the wall is going to be amusing to him on which i would be fucking bored out of my mind. Again, I'm not dying. Here's an important point. That's not a good analogy. No, no, no. That's horrible. Funnily enough, I was going to say a Super Bowl

that you get for a dime out of a fucking... Brian would lose a Super Bowl so fast. I would actually like to double down on Doug's analogy by telling you a truthful thing, which is nothing gives me more fun than throwing a frisbee back and forth.

Brian likes fun. I love that more than anything else. And no one ever wants to do it. Alright, that's the end of this podcast. See, I have the Draft app on my phone. Yes, draft.com. I do it on my computer because my phone's a piece of shit and I can't fit any more apps on it, even though I don't use apps. You're not missing it, basically, is what you're saying.

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on your first deposit on draft. I'm sure I have something I like to do. I can't think of one thing I like to do, but I'm sure I have one. You like to critique bacon oh yeah oh by the way again that's one area our camp the best bacon every single morning

so what sort of bacon is that literally like Doug likes it Jonathan you don't know he's already done a podcast with us before but he couldn't put it out Jonathan has moved he's a brit lived here for three years moved to silicon valley came down was staying at the shady dell we had him on the podcast after a baseball game still hasn't gone out because he was worried it

might fuck up his gig but now he quit his gig and moved to Bisbee. Oh. So bacon, what you call fucking bacon and Canada calls fucking bacon is not bacon. I beg to differ. Really? Obviously you would. Yes, it's just one of the things that has the same name but is completely different here. You have to cut the raw fat off the fucking...

Oh, my God. You stuff that into these greasy... But the thing is, it's also fucking semi-mobile UK bacon. It's not crisp. It's like a slithering thing on your plate. You know? It's fucking... It's like an alien fetus, isn't it?

You should really use chopsticks to eat baconus isn't it there you go there you go that's the good that's good you shouldn't need you shouldn't be able to use chopsticks to eat bacon now technically you could use it with crispy bacon yeah again i think it doesn't make sense at all it was a very funny point I want, because we talked about you. Can you tell what part of England he's from by his accent? So just tell me a story. Before that, on a scale of 1 to 10, how much do you hate him already? Well, it's difficult because Brian hates everyone already.

No, no, but when somebody is English, they're immediately in deficit. And it's very difficult. And he's clearly not from Newcastle or Manchester, who I give a pass to. Let me back up. On the previous podcast that we did with him, he was saying, On the previous podcast that we did with him, he was saying, I was saying that it's hard for me to, I know different British accents, but I don't know where they're from. And in American movies, you know, someone who talks like this, he's from the South, or Fargo. Yes. So he was saying that he obviously has an accent from where he's from so

just give me a sentence the the the reign in spain um i i don't talk to me talk to him i'll try and do this i'll try and do this in the in the accent i was born with, which I mostly have. Just keep talking. I'll just sound like an incomplete idiot, which I already do anyway, I suspect. But the rain in Spain...

Are you a fucking scouser? No, I'm a Brummie. Oh, yeah? Okay. Brummie. Oh, yeah. No one comes from there. But he said he told me his accent is obvious. There was, again, I... I'm south of the hate border for you, I think.

Yeah. I can't help you, really. I mean, it's not that I'm in the... You are the last person I would go to for help, I suppose. He did have your back. He did have your back, because earlier we were saying how you have a fancy lad. I know, but again, again...

He said he listened to a podcast where you explained it, and he said, oh, that makes sense. No, that's very true. I heard a podcast where he was accusing you of being what's a fancy boy. Fancy lad. I'm not. Fancy lad.

Fancy lad. And you're not. And you came out with a very good point. You said, no, I enunciate and I speak in English so other people in the rest of the world can understand me. And that's exactly what I do. Good. Right.

Okay. And that was a very good. It's kind of like when they say, oh, when it's a black boxer, and they say, oh, he's very articulate. Yeah. And I think you sound like you probably don't, but in my mind, I always put you in a box with, is it, Armando Iannucci? Everyone, a lot of people will say, is that,

do you have him on the podcast? But, yeah. Oh, you know who this guy is? He's the guy that created fucking Veep and everything. Yeah, no, it's what he told us Yeah Veep There was

I forgot There was a path I was going to go down but I forgot You disarmed me by making a good point It won't happen again Oh You're tan, you look good Thank you very much You're fit it won't happen again oh your tan you look good thank you very much

you're fit I feel very unfit I haven't done yoga for 14 days you would think that's something you would do when you're not

doing drugs at Burning Man would be yoga I know but I'm you still haven't told us one fun part about Burning Man he was passing out

bacon like an army private. Okay, but here's the thing. Okay, here's the thing. Here's what you don't think is fun because you're not into photography. I like literally going around on my bicycle or on a sound bus with my camera. Taking pictures of naked chicks. No. with my camera taking pictures no i think there's this this is the first year i've actually even bothered doing chicks uh but um i like taking i like taking photographs and taking good photographs

and a lot involves a lot of just waiting why if i were you i would want to take pictures obviously the guy running into the burning fire. That's one of the funniest things ever. If I were you, you saying that to me. That's such a bizarre thing. I would want to take pictures that you don't see at Burning Man. That's why the guy curled up, barfing out fucking too much ecstasy. Because that's an invasion of privacy.

I wouldn't do it. Well, I think they had that in the press with the man with the ponytail, which is divine justice. No, again, something I did do was I took photographs, which I liked, of the art under construction. Like, which, because people only ever see the finished product. And I wanted to, like, I wanted to take artistic pictures of, like, a crane lowering an enormous resin tree.

And that's what I did. Again, most people aren't turned on by myself. This is bringing the Bauer house to the fun house. How many people follow you on Instagram? I don't care. with you i don't care what about a guy who like has shat his pants sitting outside a port-a-potty with a long line of people and the port-a-potty is all over i know but this is where that's what i picture okay here's the thing in newcastle city center i wouldn't think twice about that uh or pittsburgh because those people deserve it whereas uh burning man that's just not part

of the ethos when we bought tickets for Burning Man that one year the first year we both bought tickets yeah they had some lottery kind of whatever it was we bought tickets and then we realized we don't want to go to fucking Burning Man at all

but here's how heavy that level of, it's almost like joke stealing in comedy where it's self-policing. We're not going to jack up the price. We'll sell them back at the same price because, yeah, there's a pressure on you

and that's a good thing. It is. My first year, there was this moment where i was cycling to center camp funnily enough that that was one of those years i think i thought i fucking need a coffee uh because i didn't know anyone particularly well even in my own camp but and nobody knows you particularly so yeah we don't know i'm your only fucking friend in the world and i don't know you and i don't care to good so um they um uh so i was cycling there and suddenly you realized there was an rv on fire and i naturally just pulled my camera out and i asked a lot of people and then and then there was this lone voice in the

in the dark no i would say the darkness but it't. It was the bright light because it was during the day. And somebody just shouted, put your cameras away. That's someone's home. And everyone just went, oh shit, you're right. And just went about their business. I don't know if you've, evidently you don't have the internet.

Or a fire extinguisher. But no, that was someone's art project. And he's still railing on Twitter that no one ever recognized his burning RV. There's no pictures. He had to get back to work before Burning Man, so he did burning RV. He had pyrotechnics, and no one noticed because everyone was a cunt.

So you have your own camp, which is people that you know and that you go with. It's not myrian wieners but that's one that you you are part of yeah yeah i was lucky to get sort of inter-camp hatred and racism oh no we don't have anything to do with those pockets no the only one the only thing that happened was last year don't know if you have this made the news this made the papers was that there are there are these camps that you describe as pay and play where people pay a lot of money and they get their ticket and they get like they're basically in a hotel and there's like you know I wouldn't say there's room service but it's pretty much like that type of situation and last year I think it was called white palace or something was one of these

operations uh there was like a revolution and uh somebody went in and cut all their power and ruined everything for them and they're all running around going how are we going to get ice and where's our fucking truffles you know that type of thing and there. And there was an ethos of that is not a Burning Man thing to do at the same time as people going, yeah, those cunts deserved it. Well, this is not a lot different. So are you replaying 20th century capitalism in a microcosm once a year for a week? Nope. Okay.

Because there are no slaves. Ah! Again, if I was to make a personal critique of Burning Man, fairly white festival. Then again, I don't know how many festivals are not fairly white. Well, yeah. How much did you say it was? Juneteenth.

You said it was 500 bucks a ticket? What's it called? That probably contributes a lot to that. Freaknik. Freaknik. Never heard of it. It's a spring break

of black people. Freaknik. Is it? Well, she's looking it up, I hope. Pimps on Bozeman. $7 to get into Freaknik. But, again,

again, I have to... That RV's on fire. Let the motherfucker burn. But if I was to make a full critique of Burning Man, I genuinely have to compare it to... Well, how does that compare to most cultural happenings? Like, I don't know what they're... 2018.

We finally do a redux of the Death Valley Party. Oh, yeah. Or you go back to Burning Man. I don't understand what you mean. Which would you choose? Oh, I see. Well, again, because I'm aware of the Burning...

No, sorry. I'm aware of the Death Valley Party. This is where I'd go, well, I remember why it stopped, which was basically there were too many assholes showing up and it became boring. And that would be

the long version of Burning Man. it became boring and that would be the long version of burning man right so so one of the so the question would be so when you said to me hey we're doing death valley again i'd basically say okay who's coming which you can't say with burning man correct because there's 70 000 people whereas when there's only you're basically talking about a camp panamint death valley was never even i mean our camp our the burning man camp that i go to is 60 people i'm not sure did we ever have 60 people yeah yeah we had as much as 100 okay one point right okay so but again in and out well you guys seem like a cooperative like organized and it's people who like of there are a certain level of let's describe it competence okay there weren't people turning up going i've

got nothing james inman wasn't there yeah exactly talking of self-immolation uh yeah yeah james inman was not there i can't wait for the fucking, to hear that Inman podcast in Denver. It was so good. So, yeah. So, yeah, it would be like that. I mean, if you were to go, if you were to go full-on Burning Man purist and say, we're going back to the first Death Valley party,

I'd say, I'm in. But if you're saying, oh, we're going to do year five, I'd be going, maybe. Year three was the best Burning Man must be going down that route well it's very there was a great email someone at Burning Man put out which was

they did a here's what killed Burning Man and they did a year by year thing of oh no it was this oh no it was this and they listed because every single year there's someone going oh no it was this oh no it was this and they listed because every single year there's someone going oh no that's it

the actual Burning Man first one was on a news group the second one was on MySpace the next one was on Facebook again it's one of those things where it's like the Bob Dylan thing of yeah when you stopped being fully acoustic that was that i was done with you that's what burning man's been like

you can actually go back and look at because they you know they provided examples people going in 1979 going that's it it's done you know you know someone emailed me and I'm sure we've talked about this, but someone emailed me when I worked on the man show from Burning Man. Oh, yeah. Heads of, hey, I hear you are thinking about going to Burning Man. Just know we don't allow cameras. I might have. You might have joked about it. But back then,

I wouldn't even know. There wasn't even fucking Twitter or anything. It was... They just told me, you can't bring cameras here. They just shouted... I might have said something somewhere. There was no podcast back then. I'll tell you one of the things... They said, you can't

do... You can't come here. You need to fucking... If you're going to film, you have to be... I don't remember ever saying I wanted to go to Burning Man and you're giving me shit already. Fuck Burning Man. No, but funny enough, that's one of the things I find enjoyable about it is that there is a complete...

It's a non-money-making thing. So you can completely relax. You're not thinking, oh, how can I fucking monetize? Remember the fucking industry douchebag? The industry douchebag. This is, for the listener, one of the Death Valley things. And I know that was a fucking Emory, Emory ploy. He happened to know the guy.

Oh, I know this guy from the Starbucks. And he happened to be going through Death Valley in the middle of the night. And now he wants to monetize this party. That's one of the times we did urine roulette. Yeah.

Piss roulette. Yeah. Well, when I tried to look up pictures to see what it was gonna like they use the art cars and the things like they make mad max look oh yeah fucking retarded again there's some amazing things yeah but the majority is mostly naked but again that's what so to me that seems like that's just but that's what people that's what people take pictures of well and that's because that's marketing. It's kind of popular.

It's still popular after all these years. Go figure. Fucking all in the family is off the air. So to say that it's not a lot of marketing about it, I mean, to me, it seemed like a lot of marketing in that way. But I didn't look at any of your pictures. But again, it's a non-profit-making organization. They're not trying to grow.

But what you have got is people making side bets on it or a side deal something because you were saying that there's places you can go which you can pay to stay at and it's essentially like a hotel well it's a those are rare so there's a rare that but but what the people who are running that is he's making money essentially off side bets off site isn't it it? And that surely must be ruining the thing. I don't know. Don't worry. We've been drinking long before you've been holding up. No, in the sense that, again,

it's a matter of how much you allow that to affect you. Like you just don't allow those people near you. And it's just like ordinary society. You stay away from people you don't like. This is a city the size of two Sierra Vistas. Exactly. And again, if you looked at per capita, it's a fucking wealthy city.

Like, you know, income-based. There's no doubt about that. If you can take a week off work and afford like a $500 ticket, it's going to be a relatively well-paid. But there are also people, and I know this for a fact, in my camp who are not fucking loaded, but once they've been, they love it so much, they fucking, it's like people come to see you

or who go to the Panaman. Death Valley. Yeah. James Inman was there. They would base their entire year around it. They're like, I need to work overtime in July, and then I had to do this, and now I'm here, and I'm making the most of it.

So I don't want, I certainly don't want to, and this sounds very condescending, but these are ordinary working people who are kind of interested in freaky stuff. You know? I have no outside other social contact except for the fun house.

So I get to come where it's a fucking always a fucking show. So I understand completely. Also, I met Brian Wiener in Vegas, and that guy is a fucking philanthropist fucking guy for sure, and he's a really nice guy.

Oh, he's great. He is. But it still wouldn't make me wait in line for a fucking shitter when I was hungover. We have shitters in camp. You have shitters in your own camp. If you're us. I guess what I was... Hang on, this is where I was going with Hennigan.

Hennigan, Hennigan. Yeah. They used to frown on faggots in RVs. You RV people. And now it's hotels. Oh, RV people are fine because this guy has a hotel and we're going to cut his power lines.

I think the main thing is, if you look at our camp, the big difference is this, is that what breaches, I think, is... Philanthropy. No, what breaches the Burning Man ethos is when you're essentially paying someone

to do something for you. Our camp, everyone pays the same dues and you have the same duties as everyone else. So the guy that is the central, like... I remember when I used to book my own gigs, and I would know not to put gigs in fucking Florida when it's still hot, when we could do them in November.

Let's put them in hurricane season oh i'm sorry i'm not a scotsman who's aware of hurricanes hey i consulted you over all of these no you didn't consult me on all of these you said well there's certain things in play i go why are we doing the south during september that's dumb well there's certain things I know you can't talk about them but well again there's no point in saying it's a podcast you can't talk about them

I can't talk about it because I was at Burning Man well the publisher is Brian back yet from that is he going to be okay? he's not Scottish I just realized

I'm mixed up fuck face Ben is from where is he from? somewhere is he going to be tripping his brains out? because I still need some captions for these photos and I go no he doesn't do drugs.

Why is he a Burning Man? I understand a lot more about Burning Man now. I really appreciate it. To me, it's a macrocosm. You have the Burning Man, and then you have Stanhope's Desert. If I was to be a really philosophical... Let him finish this. have a stanhope's uh desert if i was to be if i used to be a really philosophical i don't finish this oh i just we used to we used to as rednecks just throw pallets into a big pile but it's the

exact same it's pretty much it's the exact same thing just on different levels and i didn't understand that until you explained it so i appreciate it but he's in the champagne socialists camp well isn't that what is the goal of everybody do you think the rednecks throwing fucking pallets in the middle wouldn't aspire to be one day at a better fucking party than what they're at to me that's just a better party yeah who doesn't who doesn't want to have the wrong shit the only i started off judging the better party but now i'm against my own self, and I'm like, fuck you. I'm on the side of the better party. The only reason I thought it would be fun to go to Burning Man is to have the dick camp where we're recruiting for the CIA,

and I just wear the fucking men in black suit with fucking mirrored shades and never break character. The only boring questions you ever get about Burning Man and genuinely is like I hate when people ask okay there must be a way for us to sneak in and then things like that.

This is just so boring. Oh I thought you were going to say did you get laid. No no no. But you already answered that. No no. Did you ever fuck anyone that you never talked to again or shared your name did you ever stuff anybody in a gas tank like a mexican to sneak them into burning man wait a minute i mean i mean one of the times i've done i've done that not in burning man but uh did you ever have very... At Burning Man. Yeah, at Burning Man. Have sex with someone that you didn't share names or phone numbers. No.

Oh, so she knows how to get hold of you? Why is that germane to Burning Man? Because you would think with all the fucking naked photos that you just get built off your tits on 2CV. Do you know how... Fuck some weird shit who doesn't shave. Do you know how smelly some people are? Yes, I know. That's why it's not even...

That would be the thing as a younger person. You'd go, oh, I could go fuck that naked chick I saw in a picture, because that's all I take pictures of. And I could fuck her even though she doesn't shave, because I'd be on some designer drug and I could fuck her even though she doesn't shave because I'd be on some designer drug

and I would fuck her and then I so I was wondering you as a non-drug user did you ever poon someone that was out of her tit on some kind of ketamine no where's the part of it

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