The Flycast - A NEW OpTic DYNASTY | The Flycast Ep. 67

Episode Date: March 24, 2023

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Well, we can just get it started. We can get it started just like this. Welcome back to the podcast. Episode, what are we on? 67. Is it really? Yeah, it's really 67. That's a lot.

This has been four or five? No, we've had this podcast since. 2016. 2016, 2017. We've done 60-some episodes. Yeah. It's been a slow climb. It's been slow.

But they've all been good episodes. There's never been a miss. We are joined today by slash with some Halo Legends. Is Trippi a Halo legend? No, stop. No, I'm not. You think he's a Halo legend? He's in the history books.

I feel like if you want to, if you want to ring, because when you go to a Halo event from now on, you look up at the banners and the World Championship or whatnot, you're going to see Trippie's name. And you're going to see Aaron A. A. Salem's 1V1. Is that up there? And you're going to see all the way to the right back in 2009.

Clutch. Clutch. Clutch. Demandee and Cloud. And yours truly BTH maniac. Wait, Brad, can I get your point of view? Because all I've ever heard is him brag about how he was so good in 2009. Was it a fluke or was he, was he that good?

Was the event a fluke? Yeah. Like, really that good. It's two different questions. Okay, let's start with the first one. Was he really that good? I'm going to let y'all talk. Nick definitely had his moments.

Like I remember when we teamed in 2010. Yeah, 2010, Columbus, 2010. He was going off. That's the event where he'd like got a tech. We got four techs in like 30 seconds, had to put his controller down. He thought he was M&M back then. But Nick's definitely had his moments.

Nick's definitely like underrated as far as Halo players go. In terms of what he could do on the map, we had like legendary series. We had that Noble Black series where Nick was going off to, or a noble black event, rather. So yeah, Nick's definitely got. has his strikes he's got game

yeah he's earned the strikes but uh man I already knew that I just wanted I'm just you're soaking it you're soaking it now was

was that event a flu was now we say it just that I mean I'm gonna keep a real when that

if you're jumping on the flag like and then just let's like ice the cap you know me so wait you're gonna have to

explain it because I don't know so you know so Nick is playing triggers down you guys were down too so you guys talking about that

yeah Are you playing Ola? I was like, wait, what does he talk about? Yeah, okay. He's down still 2-1 in the series, so I'm pretty sure they had to still win in game five. So you got to give him credit there. No, I didn't play them.

You didn't? No, it was Triggers Down versus Team Classic. Oh. That's why Classic made it so far. Oh, no, no. He deserves it. I was wrong. I was wrong.

I was wrong. I was wrong. But what he's talking about is triggers down. It was on the team. Hysteria, hind. Ola? Ola. Hysteria Heinz Ola

S-K? I don't know if it was S-K I think it was S-K-K It had to be Was it? Yeah. But they were looked at as I think before that

They were the team That has been recently winning It was sort of like them and straight But Triggers Down Was on like the opposite side of the bracket as us And people were kind of looking at them Like they could win the event

And honestly like everyone Everyone kind of thought They were maybe the best team but there was have you heard about like the Xbox disconnect or like people were saying the cameraman tripped over the power or someone tripped over the wire

I heard this story I mean I think it's just like a fucking glitch I don't think any of that happened but Triggers Down was up two to one in the series I believe Game 4 was on slot capture the flag and I don't know

it might have been in overtime or something so it's like next cap wins and I think it was hysteria running the flag? It was Heinz running the flag, but hysteria lagged out. Heinz was, Heinz is going up the steps and about to jump in for the cap

and it's just like boom, it's like black screen. And everyone's just like, what the fuck's happening? We're like, what the fuck's going on? And hysteria lagged out and he was host so it just like ended the game or like the game got all fucked up. So people are saying they won. Like literally, if he doesn't lag out,

boom he lands they win but what happened was people were just like oh it's it's a tied game and technically the game was still going on who knows he could have got the flag runner could have got killed by nades or something so they ended up replaying it and then team classic won then it went to game five and then team classic clutched up so people were like team classic doesn't even deserve to be there like it was the game was fucking over and then triggers down just uses that as an excuse of like like they I mean they still got kind of shit on I think in losers bracket by another team this is back

when like people didn't have the composure they did now like when you think about it so they probably were just like completely checked yeah but I'm like you're at fucking Nats I get it that I would be fucking pissed also I'd be kind of pissed I just don't know how impossible it was for them to win maybe we could like

I'm not gonna make him go find the clip and put it on here it's like if they were really like the best they could have came back. Yeah, if they were really the best, they would have come back. So there weren't, like, losers' runs like that back then? No, there was. There was.

But not, like, it was really only TD and straight that would be winning Halo 3 events. There would be, like, SQ made a losers run at 2010 champs in Halo 3, and they got, like, third. So it wasn't like you ever make a loser's run and get to the winners. Actually, you know, FB in 2010, when they came back against me, they made a loser's run kind of.

Went to, like, Game 11 in losers bracket, and they won the event. from winners bracket or like two best of fives in winners brackets too so yeah we i mean we beat we beat fb we beat straight we beat instinct which i think was like roy lunch in them oh then you you then we then we if i wish we would have played triggers down and beat them because if we would have beat fb straight you guys are just taking all the infancy triggers down we're coming in a seventh seed like me in the clutch demon d cloud that that's like fire you guys are on fire to be honest.

We were, we, it's almost like, you guys remind me a lot of BGH from 2009. Like, I'm like the lucid. And then. They wrote a three Pete. They broke up right after that, man. They won that. Yeah, we won that. I mean, honestly, it was a good decision in my cloud.

Like, people. Oh, he went to Instinct, right? Yeah. Yeah. I think people think, I mean, I'm sure that it hasn't happened that. many times. I think I heard Boooo talking about it

how he won an event with Shotsie and Halo 5 and then Shotsie left to Splice. He left for Splice but they won an event. Shotsy wanted to leave but Boooo and them

convinced him to say like come on we just want an event we can't break up now. And they like go to the next event get like third or fourth and then Shotsy leaves. And then Shotsy leaves and goes on that fucking Halo 5

run. So it's just like there's sometimes where it's like it's even though you won. Like you could call ours a fluke or whatever. I mean, I guess it was a fluke. We should not have won, but we were just

playing really good at that event. Demon D. was playing fucking good as fuck. Cloud was, that was the start of Cloud being as dominant as he was. I thought, not that he fell off, but Cloud was so, there was a time where Cloud was

so fuck. He was like best in the game. Literally an octagon, best in the game. game. Yeah. Everybody talks about Octagon and Cloud. He was nasty. Yeah. That's all everybody had to do.

He was disgusting. Absolutely disgusting. But I feel like we were just like a really good team who sort of had an understanding of we weren't the best skilled fucking team.

I don't feel like 2009, I don't even feel like I was skilledly there. 2010, I feel like my skill increased. Like I spent, like my individual skill got better after that. But like as a team,

like not to compare us to you guys at all, but I feel like, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not, I'm saying individually, I mean, you guys are all individually good. I know what you're trying to say.

I know what you're saying that we all understand how to win games. You see a roster like phase and it just looks individually like, yeah. I'll put it in... That's why I said you guys are such a, like, the epitome of a team. I think I tweeted something like that. I know what you're talking about.

Look at you in like 2010 when you tried to make like that mini God squad. Like you... Yeah, snipe down. Snipe down... Hines, Demon D. Snipe down to Zoxic. They got top 12, the first event.

Yeah. And it's like stuff like that. In Cod, we call that the phase black effect. Formal tried to make a crazy God squad. Really? What was it? It was, um, it was, it was like a team full of slayers. So I think it was like,

Saints And this isn't Ghost Saints is like the best player In the game in Ghost Saints was I thought Saints, Saints has always been an individual like

God It's insane Saints, formal I can't even I can't remember because I get Faze black

and face red Was Dito? Was Dito on that team? It might have been Dito Like it was like four Slayers Slayer heavy players

And people were like Oh you're not gonna out slay this team but then they you know they got like Top 12 or top 14

like or top 16 like three events straight and then they broke up but but that was that was when in call duty everybody was making teams to beat complexity oh yeah and I don't know as I mean I guess that's happened in Halo there's got to be a team out there that people made a roster change in order to try to beat right I mean it's always like that I mean look at splice in HALA 5 I don't want to say us like now but we were like the only one of the few teams aside of SSG to not make a roster change after the season so it's just like yeah it goes to with any team that wins like the last event of the season or last event of the split if they don't need to make a roster change and they're winning everybody's going to make a

change to try and beat them because everybody else obviously has some work to do yeah Matt's taking a little bit of a break right now from content uh I think it's like getting his mental right to get back into content so I haven't like been able to talk to him a lot but I did talk to him a couple like the week leading up to Charlotte and he was he I mean you guys he's been putting hours and you guys just been like grinding out uh scrims and stuff and he was making food and I was like, how you been, man? He's like, good, man. This phase team's going to be hard to beat.

That's the first time he said, it was the first time I've ever heard. I've listened to him talk about competition. He doesn't speak like that. He never talks like that. And he just said, this phase team's going to be hard to beat. And I was like, damn, okay.

Dude. So what was scrimming like leading up to Charlotte? I feel like scrimms for us. Pretty much the same. I wouldn't say dominated every team, but the scrimms looked the same as how they always were for us. And practice was good.

We didn't really scrim phase that much for, you know, for obvious reasons, but we scrimmed them once, played them really, really well. And, yeah, just kind of, yeah, practice five, six times a week. Was it phase not wanting to scrim you guys? Because I know,

I feel like they did want to. Yeah. Yeah, it was us. It was us. It was us not when to scrimmed them. Oh, no, no, no, no. Yeah, 100%. You guys are.

And we got so much, we got so much hate for that, too. Not hate, but like, just typical, just Twitch, just like, yeah, why aren't you guys screaming face? You guys did that to the... We did that to us, too. Yeah. Spice, like, started that. It was like the season before. The OG Splice team back in Halo 5, they never, and I mean never, scrimmed the old

talks, and they won four events in a row, and they did. did not online, they not once did they play talks online and scrimmed them. Yeah. It's just kind of like not giving them strats and just, I mean, they were the best, they were their best comp at the time. So, it's kind of like a respect thing, you know? It's like, you don't want to give your best opponent like that edge on you or give them a thought of like knowing what you do in a such, like a certain situation, you know.

Yeah. But I mean, I've had time, well, I was also, I think team with like, Nated, but it's like, we thought we were God and then we, and then we scrimmed. CLG or whoever the fuck and just got dominated. Literally it was like 11-0 or something and then just from after it's like fuck. The cold snow. I mean, you guys aren't going to get 11-0 regardless, but why do you do people say

well at the beginning of last year you guys would win a lot online and then get like sometimes you get like third or fourth or second or whatever the fuck it was. Do you think Texas internet makes that big of a deal as what people call? I'm playing about. Because you guys... I mean, I played from Cali beginning of my career. Kind of like Matt.

So, playing from California and playing on the East Service all the time, I mean, I see the difference. For sure, but... Massive difference. I don't know. What do you think, bad?

It's a massive difference. Aren't you guys, like, gods online? I mean, like, Dallas... I made your guy, you... You want... Three people. Yeah. Yeah.

Dallas is, like, internet's good here. Like, it's just good in Texas. general like it's just the servers are based around there's like a server San Antonio and Halo server in Dallas I think in Cod so it's obviously gonna be better if you're here and every like majority of people are here or in Central so you're obviously gonna get that server majority of the time but there is a tournament the super where everybody flew to Texas in some way or another they're

either in Dallas or at a land center in San Antonio someplace in Texas and kind of the results were basically the same but I mean like obviously it makes a difference but you still have to be good like you can't Like look at Lucid. Lucid's still playing on 60 ping every single scrim that we have. Tommy's dropping for a period of time, even before Worlds and like even Charlotte. Like he was, I feel like for the longest time, he's been dropping better numbers than everybody. He's still doing it.

He lives in Florida. He's like, who do you think is the best in the game? Right this moment. Yeah. That's tough. I feel like you can name a three players on phase. Tommy. Oh, man.

That's what I was saying. I think it's Tom. What? You always got to say your teammate. ever don't ever ever gas up the other team like that because they're never going to say you if they somebody has any of them

they're going to say anybody on face I feel like they got to though at this point but I truly I truly believe it's not like got to start that humble trip I think it's Tommy too no yeah he has an accolades now too

just like prove it and his it's just his stats his screen he's always Tommy's an interested guy because he's he is the epitome of a competitor yeah like when i when we went up to that um the breckinridge trip i never really like got a chance to hang out with him before and so like i bring my smash set up and like whenever there's nothing competitive going on he's just a normal guy and he's just like the

hump like a humble like chill guy but as soon as we start playing a smash it's it's his eyes like he's a different person he's just he's like i'm gonna beat you like there is no fun i'm like yo like why don't we use characters. No, no, no. I'm using Fox and I'm smacking your ass every time we, like, it's like, and then when we started playing, what do you meme? Like, he, you could tell, he was like, I'm gonna win, what do you mean? And I'm like,

you can't even win this game. It's not even a game a fun card game. I was surprised when he's up. He's just ready. I was surprised when he drank some whiskey, hop to that hot tub. I'm like, damn, you're just chilling. He's been unwinded lately. He's been like a Sunday night. Charlotte, that was the most I've seen

Tommy drink. I was surprised. Yeah. Because Tommy's a water person. Like, you won't see him drink coffee. You won't see him drink an energy drink. It's been coffee for the last, however long I've known him, like five years. Just water. That's it.

Bro, playing matchmaking with him, I'm like, kind of on edge. Because he, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, calling you out. Dude, he's like, yeah, like, he doesn't know who needed him. Who through that fucking, how do you fucking teen made me like that? Like, God, I just can't. That's like me. You're just quiet. Yeah.

Brad does that too. With Brad, I'm, like, more comfortable. I don't, like, maybe just because I've known him so long or whatever. But Lucid, it's like, it kind of puts me a little on edge when I'm playing with him. Because he calls out, it's like, he's not even on the side of the map, but he's still aware of someone's making a bad play. And, like, I don't know, it just makes me, like, fucking overthank or something. Because it's weird to me how he's so good. But still, he complains a lot.

Like, that's kind of why I watch him. I don't know, but probably not in scrims when he's playing with good fucking people. But when he's playing matchmaking, that dude complains nonstop. And I'm just like, dude, you're like, I mean, maybe it makes sense for being the absolute best. And it's just like you're, he's like hyper aware of everyone just making mistakes. But I'm like, dude, how about let's like chill out, have some fun. That's how I am, though. Like, I get, it's just like, you are like that.

No, I gotta relax, but it's like, you just like want to win. And especially like, because I like actively call out to my teammates. So I'm like trying to tell them, you know, what's going on and direct them. So they just like blatantly just ignore me. I'm like, why do you, whenever you stream, why do you like call out to your team? Do you not, do you not enjoy Halo unless you're like kind of playing like that? Like you can just like sit back, talk to your chat? No, I can.

I can. I just feel like I didn't. Like I just started to do it like like every once in a while on stream. and then like I just like it picked up with that free lessons thing so like if I complain at a teammate at least like if I'm talking to him I'll explain why I think he should have made a better play and it'll help my viewers who might ask me a lot of questions about what to do in certain situations so at least I'm giving them some sort of insight on the place I'm making I feel like I do right I feel like I learn no I'm like I don't know I feel like it's really hard for me to

I'm so bad and it's so fucking I'm super inconsistent I'm super inconsistent but I'm like mostly bad. Like there's like sometimes where I'm like damn I'm actually pretty good at this game like there might be hope but then it's like the next day I'll get on it

I'm just like so bad I don't know how to play I feel like if I had like scrim experience that would help a lot but I'm just fucking lost you got this great matchmaking experience like that's it yeah there's like no

matchmaking's like a different world of Halo it's completely different it's completely different that's why I get frustrated because you go from screaming and then you play matchmaking. It's just like...

So scrimms are... Our scrims fun. Yeah. I love screaming. Enjoy scrimm. Especially with our team. Our team, you know, puts an effort every single scrim. Every single night.

We never like slack off, which is, I think that's why we've seen success. Yeah. Is it safe? Yeah. I was going to say, is it safe to say that you guys are the best screaming team as if, as in like, I think, who was it? Someone just called you guys like robots. And it was like, it's no surprise seeing Optic winning.

Because whenever you guys practice, it's like literal fucking robots. Like no one complains. Even if you lose, it's no one's ever like Spartan the dogging. Like no one's, do you know who smarting the dog is? It's like a rager in a little. But like no one tilts, no one fucking like you guys literally practice like machines. Do you think like, was it like that with Ola? Or I feel like with formal, you guys became militant.

I let him go I mean Yeah I mean Matt just Is this how you guys always practice Um I feel like we all Even with Justin We always went hard too

But like No I could definitely said Bringing Matt on He's like Got that robot isk Like to him You know Like just locked in

Like He's just trying 100% of the time Not really like Uh What's the word Like Overreacting to anything crazy

It's like You know It gets overkill He's already focused on the next thing Like you know and I think that leads into your teammates and kind of just locking in and just, you know, just going super, super hard. What do you think about people not streaming, streaming scrims? Are you sitting there like fucking pissies?

I mean, because I would think it's a disadvantage to kind of stream. Dude, dude, it's it. I personally am like the huge advocate on our team to not stream the scrimms because they all stream the scrims. Yeah. So I'm like, you guys stream every scrim. No, they just don't. So like when we first started like. to not stream them, I brought up to Joey

and then Joey and I brought it up because obviously they're making so much money doing it and there's nobody else doing it so it's like the numbers. We were like the only one streaming. So I think that that's when it gets disinvantageous because you're just showing everybody what you're doing and not only that we're using comms because I think like we shut off the comms

and it's just like what are you even doing it for to be honest that's what the entertainment value is. After Orlando or maybe it was before Orlando but and Worlds too we stopped streaming like a couple weeks prior or whatever But even then, like, even before those couple weeks, we were the only team still streaming scrims.

And then it's like, at that point, if you're the only team streaming scrims, for three tournaments in a row for six months, eight months, like people were just going to take things from you, especially when everybody is watching, right? How often does the meta change to the point where like the, you streaming scrimms would really affect, like, other people's knowledge of your game?

Like with that does it change often enough where like People could study what you guys do because I feel like I just always feel like Halo as you spawn up and find a team shot and work for You know certain like certain scenarios that everyone's working for so like everybody knows what everyone's gonna do You just got to you know do it at the right time or yeah Hit your shots and stuff like that I feel like it's um I wouldn't say the meta changes unless like a new GA happens we've had GAs was like the first time we've introduced that in Halo we had GAs happen

then the meta might change um we've had a new update today when while this is being filmed season three um it's going to have new stuff around the map new weapons on the map so everybody's going to be playing that meta's going to change like heavily very heavily um but i wouldn't say it's like giving away the meta changes it's like giving away your pushes or your setups there's a lot of there's a lot of setups in this game and a lot of ways that are different ways that people play it um for instance like phase plays very aggressive even when they have objective they're still playing very aggressive to keep you on your on your feet and having to make you like what by the time you get a kill against them they've already racked up like 30 seconds in ball

or they've already gotten the flag halfway around the map or gotten halfway in the hill or whatever so like and then there's ryanib team who plays more slow methodical they wait for each other to be alive before they make a push stuff like that but it's really about seeing like if you have three point of views on our team you can see where three people are in their setup when they're holding an oddball you can see where exactly they're going to be when they're running a flag all that type of stuff they can just see every single point of view. So that's why I say it's like. They just kind of like know what you're doing on every single setup on every map.

And they kind of like, I wouldn't say copy it, but they know what to expect pretty much. So. Okay. I want to talk about APG. You are owned by your 17th season. Yes. This is my 17th. Just started it. Damn.

What, um, first off, that's fucking insane. Are you going 20 deep? If I can, I feel like I can. I feel like I could. It's just, I'm letting the finishers. How, um, I don't even know what the question was even going to be, but it's just like, hearing you explain different stuff, what, what has been your, I want to go back to the beginning and have you explained some stuff and just like about your career and how young

you were and blah, blah, blah, but what do you think has been your number one thing that has made you, that has made your longevity this successful. That's a good question. Because you've had, I want to say this, there was a time you were like, and I'm only saying this because you guys were like best friends and like I know Lethal thought he was something. But it was like there was a time where like you were up here

at Lethals here and then Lethal just starts winning all these events. I was like, damn, it's kind of like Lethals time now. Brad, you were, I don't know where you're placing maybe like four, fifth, six with some other teams, whatever, maybe through like Halo 5, and then to see you somehow turn it back around, still at like your 17th season, to come back on top, win three events straight. I don't think you've never won, like, three events straight, right?

Let alone too, back to back. Like, how in your 17th season does this fucking happen? Or like, what? What is your mindset? Because there's a lot of trash am shitters with some trash and fucking noob mindsets. Even some of the pros, like, their mindsets are so shit sometimes. Like, what, I don't know, what just helped you become so successful for so long?

And even this long into your career, like, how is it, how are you still thriving? I'd say, it's exactly what you said. It's my mindset. I think that, like, during that time period, so say it's like, 2015 when we were teaming and then T. T.J. got that offer on EG. And then that's when, like, T.J. started excelling. and then there's like barely like there'd be always two teams in the finals and then it'd be like hard to break into that you know like at like stratosphere you know what I'm saying but I think that

just it's my mindset and I just really enjoy playing I think that when I get on every day I'm not one of those people that complains and bitches and just like wines and it doesn't matter what the case is I think hopefully Joey can attest to this I don't think he would say I'm wrong but I don't like whether it's a a GA change or like weapon change whatever maybe I'm not gonna bitch I'm not like complaining about like there's too much ammo in the gun and they need to fucking change blah blah I'm just like gonna play I'm to try and get better I'm gonna strive to always be better because I mean like once you win the only thing you want to do is keep winning and then like once I got on uh was at the time send those with snake by a lethal world two and frosty went to cod is when I felt like I really

turned into like a winner they really helped me understand what it takes a small minuscule things it takes to win a tournament whether it might be um not over challenging or making somebody waste a need on you before or not jumping out to give them that easy easy-ass kill and making them waste a nade so they don't have that nade in a future a future situation just small small stuff like that I really learned from them and I just tried to instill that once I got into this team and I got another opportunity to you know just try and do be the best but it really just my mindset I don't it's really hard to like think when I think about it I never really thought about until now because once you say the

number out loud it's like damn 17 years is fucking crazy and I'm not that old so I'm like 28 so I still have some time left but it really just think it's my mindset and I just really love to play Halo. I don't really think about it. I just really don't play too many other games. You know this, but I just really don't think you play any. You are the only person I have ever seen to not play a single other game.

Literally, literally the only person I know in my life who only plays Halo. But I watch every other game. Like, I love watching games. I love watching Cod. I love watching Apex, whatever it may be. But like I play Grand Theft Auto. Story Mode. I like Story Mode games. When you were 15? I play Grand The Thotho. Okay. I don't

That's good. What was your, what was your first event? Was it in like New York, 06 or something? Dallas 2006, ironically. Wait, and you were Dallas 2006? How old were you? I was 17 years ago. 11?

Yeah, I was 11, I think. What did you? Did you play for me? Dude, 11-year-olds aren't even allowed in the venue nowadays. Really? Yeah, how would you have to be? Matt, do you know how old you have to be to a CDL event? I think it's 13.

I think it's 13 or 14. You can't even have a parent with you? A guardian. Yeah, you had that parent guardian. Did you have to sign a consent form and stuff like that? I played FFA. I didn't play it before my first event. What did you place in the FFA?

Second to last round. You know how they like, I got six rounds. So there were seven rounds of AM FFA. I got to six round. So that was like, top 48 or something. So I was like, I did pretty good. And then like next year, like I went to a couple of them. I mean, especially because back then people are practicing FFAs.

Yeah. Like there's the FFA lobbies and stuff. Oh, yeah. The 16 to 22 year olds are fucking grinding these stuff. Then there's just like an 11 year old. So top 48 first event. Do you remember what like what your team hardcore rank was? Because I remember matching you in matchmaking, I think, before I ever like knew you.

No, we used to always play. It was like, me, you academics, areas, action. And then like the highest I got was I think 44. And I like got to like, you know how you can go on bungee? And you could see how far you were away. I got to let like one more game before the 46 I just kept fucking losing

I never got like for that's crazy that you're and this is back when that you were fucking 11 11 12 years old uh I guess what was I

15 or something it's still fucking nuts though because like everyone that's back in the day of like the peak rank system oh yeah uh everyone's going hard as fuck online

online fucking sucked back then though too Everybody was going hard. I'm matching against hysteria, perplexity. Yeah. Fucking Breger action. Like, and they're on their West Coast hosts. It was so toxic. What was your second event?

Or when did you, like, get into 4V4? 2007, really. I'd say, that's when I got into 4B4. Did you go to Charlotte, 2007? I went to, like. That was my first event. I went to, like, a couple tournaments, but, and then I went to, the many of the last two.

I went to, or there was three. There was a Dallas 2007, I believe, and then Chicago and then Orlando. Those were like the last HALA three, or HALA two events. And then Dallas, I got like, I got, I got like top 32 AM. I remember I was so happy.

I had three points. I would go on the forums afterwards. I would be posting like free agent three points. I was so happy, bro. I was so happy. And then I was like teaming with like some guys like name like, I spy, like ratify.

like ratify he's still kind of around and then um next event i was actually team with tezoxic it was tezoxic and then um a couple other people like one year 2007 2007 you were team with dezoxic yeah and then four before but i pretty sure i left their team because i left their team i was literally this is sounds so messed up when i think about it i was teaming with those guys for dallas and i was screaming with tzoxic and them for chicago like because they weren't going to dallas so i was just like team with one people or one team. I mean, you were also 12. Yeah.

So I didn't think about it. But then like after the, after Dallas, I didn't go with his oxick and then I stayed with the team. I went to Dallas with because I like enjoyed team with them. But I got, I did really well. I didn't do well in part before that event. I think I got like fucking third round, like fourth round or something like that. And then FFA I did really well. I got pro free for all and I got 24th.

Dude, getting pro free for all at 12 is fucking not. That event I did well in the pro free fall. And then next event, I team like some Florida locals and like a Bible salesman and a couple other people. And we got 31st in 4B4. I remember we played you for top 24. You're on God I love the sun. And then, um, wait, I beat you for top 24? Yeah, I remember it.

What? Wait, who was your tenure? It was like me, a Bible salesman and I forgot the other two people. If I thought about it, like deep, I could probably think about it. But there were just like some Florida locals that I knew, like from the way. And this was Orlando? your team with like silent stuff? Me silent

Wait was it me silent Massacre and stuff? I'm pretty sure it was snuff. I don't know Was it snuff? I know a team with it for Chicago Damn When did you realize I guess I don't know if at 12 you're fucking thinking this is going to be your career

I like damn there's hope here I don't know if that's going through your minor at 12 or shit like you know No, it was that event. It was that event because, like I said, I never really, like, did too well and for it before. I was always known as the FFA kid, but that event, I got ninth in free-for-all.

So, no, keep going, sorry. I feel like you were, like, a, weren't you known as just like a Dome Slayer? Yeah, for a little bit, because I would just run around, like, it was free-for-all. Just getting kills. When did you realize, like, they're- so opposite of, like, what you do now,

because now you're like the grunt. Yeah. You do the dirty work. Yeah. This is how things happen. Just like different, like different games bring different superstars and different ways that people play. You kind of see that in Cod too.

Like some, some Cod's like somebody's an insane SMG and then the next Cod they got to run an AR and they're just as good or they get better. It's crazy. It's crazy how that works. When did you realize you were going, like this was going to be your thing? That event. I would say that event because when I got like knife, I was like, you know how FFA worked?

You did Round Robin. So, like, won the FAs I won. And the next one I got, like, third. They called out the placings in FFA before the last round. And I was in top eight. All I had to do was, like, do well in the last one. I fucking choked. I was so upset.

And they, like, called out the numbers. And I, like, saw it online. I got ninth. And I was, like, devastated. But I realized, like, I'm pretty good. Gila three. I was doing really good. And the online qualifiers for our first event.

Then I just, like, blew it. And I just, like, I think I got, like, dropped. I think it was you guys. were we teaming wait what year 2008 I was teaming with like think snuff

I remember like I remember like I wasn't doing too well in 2008 but I just kept playing I never really thought like this is gonna be my shit I just kind of kept playing and then just did well and then I became pro in 2009 and then just kept doing well

yeah I don't want to go down every year of your career. Yeah, that'd be taken too long. What was, who is your favorite teammate of all time? No, no, no, we won't start there. He already answered that, though, online.

Has he answered that? I say this. You've been around HALO's 17 years. A lot of teams. I'd say it's like, at the moment, I'd say Matt and lethal. because I've both seen a lot of success with both of them.

You should have them fight. You never wins that fight. That's who your favorite teammate is. I think Matt might win. Matt would win. Yeah, who would? Matt or lethal in a fist fight. A boxing match or just a brawl fist fight?

I would say boxing match. Do you think Formos got this? That's what Brad said. I think Matt just had some like pent up anger. Specifically towards T-Gy. TJ's just chill. People like, all right, whatever. Wait, have you told me,

I think we did something for Optic Nation? I don't know if I asked it. Who's your favorite teammate of all time? Oh, God. I don't think you have asked me. That's tough. Because I have like a list of like... You have it like written down?

Not a... Is it weird? It's weird. I have an additional question before you answer that. Is it weird being a part of a duo? Duoship? And then people ask you that. Yeah.

Because everyone's expecting you to say one person. Yeah. But it might not be that person. I mean, I've been teaming with Tommy, literally my whole career pretty much. Right. Yeah. But yeah, it's got to be Tommy. And then I have, like, people that, like, under Tommy.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, it's like, it's hard to say. It's hard. Because, like, like I say, it's Matt and TJ, but like, this is my favorite team of all time. Yes, exactly. So is it really?

Yeah. I see the most success with this team. And I enjoy them outside of the game. Like, it's hang out, like hanging out with Joey all the time. What about me? You. clutch. You dropped me.

Just like, uh, excuse me. Is that when I dropped you for neighbor? Yes. Dude. Dude. You hear that, but dude,

that event, I went off. That was like one of the best, to this day, one of the best events I played. I want plus 100. Plus 100?

Wait, and then we dropped you? Holy shit. Was that unknown? Like going a plus 100 back then? No, they had the stats. But neighbor beat us for top two

and neighbor was shitting. It was, like neighbor lethal Amish acorns and adrenaline who disappeared completely after neighbor left. So what Brad saying is they shouldn't drop you in TikTok. I should have just dropped Wes. Honestly, we could have just stayed together because we were fucking dominate. We were dude, we were good as fuck. We went to a land.

We were dominating. We were good as fuck. We just, do you remember in 2011, I think it was a Halo Reach land? Yeah, it was before that. Do you remember how good I was playing? Yeah. That's what I'm saying. I remember you telling me that I might be the best player in the.

the game and I'll never forget it. These are the moments that I got us. I got a moment in 2009, 2011. There's only there's, there's only a few. Who is your, who's y'all's favorite? I just like, I just like knowing or hearing your answers for this kind of stuff. But who's y'all's favorite Halo player of all time? Or like when y'all were young watching, you might,

might have like an older answer you might have a fucking yeah I've been well I've been watching Hela for a long time you just who's yours a favorite player of all the time and was it maniac mine mine is no one no one yeah myself I didn't really look up to anybody like that you're not little Wayne I didn't think you I'm telling you I'm telling you people I never really looked up to people like that I saw like I saw I saw the first time I saw MLG was like 2005 and I didn't like pay attention I was playing free-for-all so I never really paid attention in the teams. I never was like a FB super

fan. I was like cool with legit because he was my local. And I like I kind of looked up to like legit because he was my local. He went to like the high school down the street for me and stuff like that. But never like nobody was like oh, I want to play like them or anything like that. Is it egotistical as it might sound.

Yeah. For me it's probably I mean looking at it back then for me it's probably Ola. Because like when I was younger watching him like he used to talk so much shit and he would just beat everyone like all the time I swear

Ola was like a robot Whenever Ace beat him In the 1 V1 in Halo 4 It was literally I always say it's like man versus Goliath Or like What's the other one Or wait it or

Man versus machine Or David versus Goliath or something Like it was I always look at it like man versus Machine when with Ace And that fucking Ola 1V1 That show was

I still can't believe they played on high and chairs for that one be won by the way. Yeah, it was like... Can we like talk? I would have raged. That was every fucking round of that to run of me. That's insane. Really?

Yeah. From the free for all you played on games games. You made it to that Halo 4 Global Sorry? What'd you get on that? It's like whatever like the last round, remember, I don't even remember like legit fucking gave contract kill. I like got cheated out of top eight. Damn, did he really?

Are they teammates or something? No, no. It was like the last, you had to do a round robber. And there's like the last round and I did just get top four and he like legit already was in top four So he just like it was like the last two seconds and I was tied before it was like last like last few seconds he just puts controller down and Contra got the kill and got the one kill above me So I got like whatever maybe for this do you do get nervous me? I Really? I feel like you do get nervous but it like makes you better Not anymore I like I like the spotlight so like it's just

It's just like, not nervous. I just get like jitters. The jitters. Like I just like butterflies. It's like pre-land jitters. That's what I get for every tournament. It's like, I'm like excited to play on land again because it's been so long. As soon as you sit down and you play your controller in, the game starts, all that stuff goes away.

And you get that first kill. It kind of just goes away. It's all goes away. Either you get the first kill, you start frying or you just die the first couple of times and you're just like, oh no. No, that is a fucking thing. The first kill is like so important. No. I'm just kidding.

I feel like I've been in situations. like that to where it's just like you can't get that kill and it's like you have zero your teammates that like four or five six yeah dude there's a packs event where the the old object team played e6 and nick goes on this crazy streak with a sniper yeah on collie oh i remember that i remember that halo five yeah yeah yeah and then so they move they move forward and they play e g coliseum slayer oh my god dog Wait, I was filming it. They got to 26 kills or something like that.

The optic team had none. And snite down screaming, get a kill. Oh, yeah, I remember he's like this. I remember. You could put people in a blender on Coliseum. Yeah. Oh, that was the blender.

I don't think anyone, I don't think in Halo history, anything has happened that crazy. for it to be 26 to 0 who was my shithole squad was it me flame lifestyle and chaser or something yeah this was before that I think no that was that was relegations right for you guys it was it was you Mike

nated in Aaron was it was it straight was it straight or sick it might have been straight sick yeah because I remember you guys were scrimming who's the guy that thinks he's the best world?

Cratos? You guys were Scrimming Cretos. He doesn't actually think that. It's crazy that you just say that and we know. You guys were scrimming Cratos and every category. And Cratos was talking shit backstage

during the scrim. He always would do that in Hale FIRE. I remember that. He always would do that. I don't understand like, isn't it embarrassing? Like you're not like, I just don't understand how, I mean, that's sort of his personality or whatever.

Don't shit talk the best in the world. Top 10 every category It wouldn't be bad if he was like Like it's like kind At least like kind of up there Like he's like It's like he's just not even close to being He's not

He was like Wait was crazy He did have one good season in Halo 5 He was like him suspector He got second a couple times No actually his suspect it was on team then It's like I forgot who was on a team Actually he was team of boo boo-boo

Yeah he was team of boo-boos Specter shooter shooter shooter and I forget the last person I always ask I sorry stellar I don't know sorry I always ask Halo players this have either one of you guys been reality checked you mean by silence or I think it sets this up I don't know I plead the fifth oh he has been he didn't know on his team oh okay I know the story then unfortunate yeah but there's a great story that came out of it so yeah like the event afterwards. We had a crazy

losers run. Actually, that's a crazy losers run in Halo. If we would have made it to the finals, that would have been even crazier. Dude,

think of that team. Me, you, Aries and Arcana, making it, making it to the fucking finals of a tournament. Do you remember? There was a time,

do you remember us arguing before that event? About Lockout ball? In the window. I'm like, you can't sit in the window. You'll get it. We were scrimming.

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YouTube put it on YouTube to kind of like sync people up with what we're talking about. It is out there. We're talking about at the event. It is out there that clip. Yeah. Oh yeah. Fucking. So lockout oddball. I'm in the window and we're like it just in scrams. And I don't know if we were like mad at each other before this, but I remember being mad at each other afterwards. Tensions were high.

We just got reality. Tensions were high, bro. We just got reality checked. Remember we got reality checked and we had to go to the tournament. And our first match of the tournament was against like the best European team. And they were at the time really good. And we had to win that match to get into the actual tournament. So like we were, tensions were very. What years is this?

2015? 15. 15, I think. Okay. Damn. So this is H2A? All right. But we're scrimming.

We just got reality check. But we still like, just so people know, can somebody explain where reality checked is really quick? reality reality checked is a halo team by the two created by

the two Suddeth twins Suddeth one and Suddh two they're twins like they've been they're just

so known about this around the scene Ninja used to always one like ninja's Halo views

kind of got up there because he would like one these twins and just like they should talk

each other they're very like they're very like they're they're almost like not necessarily like disrespectful

like a crados or like it's like they're just like the nerdy type shit talk and just like they were just always they always just like voice their opinion but they've just been around the halo scene for so long and they're always getting top 32 but they're always talking shit and then they beat you in line and they're so fucking happy and it's just like people I don't know it just became a thing to just like sort of hate on them but no one wanted to like see anything bad happen to them right it's like it's not hating it's more yeah no one wants like yeah no one wants anything bad happen to them they just fucking

it's kind of the such ones just pissed the halo community there are a few personalities in call of duty that that's kind of turned into it too it's like no one wants anything bad to happen to these people but they do talk a lot of shit and people like watching them yeah so and like they would beat people

reality checks like and they would like that was their things to like they would meet people on an event and they stand up so hard I love that their thing even like online scrim like they say like get reality checks if they beat a game like reality check

we're better than you are it's good marketing it's really good and like they were I'm not even going to get into the warheads I was like I don't even know if they were sponsored by warheads but they made warhead jerseys

maybe they liked warheads I don't fucking up so we lose to them at the event before finals I don't know how you'd word it but we lost me and

Brad lost of them. You know, everyone, we had a fucking crowd surrounding us. People, they stand up. They had Frosty on their team somehow. Because this is Frost, when Frosty, no one knows Frosty.

But they fucking, the Suds found him and they fucking they sick them on us. And Frosty beats us. It went to game five. We had no one else was playing. We're like battling for top. I think it was for top A, right?

Yeah, it's up eight. We're battling for top eight. We goes to game five. I'm like, there's no. Like, I think all of us are, I know I played average. Like, it was almost like, I don't really know what's happening. These games, we just, I don't know. It just went to game five.

And I'm like, there's no fucking way. And then no one else is playing in the event. Everyone's surrounding us. And then I think we lost, it might have been like 50, 48 or something like that. Like a close-ass game. and they just stand up start ripping into it. What was any of you guys team?

Noble? Noble black. Reality check. There's definitely like a video. But there's a video. There's a video. Wait, don't you have like a meme picture

of you like, oh yeah, dude, when I lost. Like so shocked. I lost. Dude, it was like Brad getting reality check and he was just like,

dude, you're right. I'm like, this was at a charity tournament? But it was like, it was like, it was like, It wasn't a charity tournament.

It's a real tournament. It was a real tournament just at the charity. At a charity thing. I can't wait. So, yeah, it was the Suds and Frosty. Who's the fourth? I don't even know this board. Here, I'll show you.

He's been forgotten about wherever it was. So funny, because when they stand up, that's literally how they say it to. Reality check! You're just like, dude. I don't know. He has a New Jersey, huh? he doesn't have a jersey on Brad doesn't recognize him

I can't see his face yeah yeah he's like he's just too busy I mean this is my point is like we're losing to this guy I don't think it's not like he went oh it's times that was our first event together

me you Aries and Arcaneum right like we just formed our team I don't think either of us were necessarily happy with the team because we were probably average online we're like fuck like I don't it ended up working out but anyways

where was that we get we out reality track the event it's such a good clip you gotta watch the sick guys I'm sorry maybe we can I don't want to make Matt do more work than he already fucking does because they both end up get reality chat I don't I don't even remember

around the pants to Nick and he's just like bro someone asked someone asked me how it felt and I was like I don't really remember it was like it's almost like trauma Yeah, he's not even wrong. He's not even wrong there because it actually was like extremely like traumatizing or traumatizing experience. It was like afterwards we were just depraviancy of words each other,

but we were just probably didn't like text the team group text track, group chat, whatever like fucking. Was that the last time you guys teamed or did you guys team after that still? Well, we saw the event afterwards. Yeah, we, our team was locked in for finals still. Oh, okay. Because we still like had the eighth seat, eight seed or something like that. So we get reality

You checked where our team morale is down We're like we're fucking shit Tensions are high Tensions are high Fucking I don't even The whole point of this is to explain this Lockdown ball game But we're screaming on lockdown ball

Or we're screaming someone Online Lockdown ball Tensions are so high We're all the stutter press whatever I did they just They chucked nades And you shouldn't

I have the ball in the window On uh What's the fucking library in library i have the ball in library they just talk nates of the window i die i just they just fucking explode i die and brad starts bitching to me about it and i don't know i mean he wasn't wrong like i shouldn't i shouldn't die there but he starts bishing to me about it

and in my head i'm probably just thinking like it's it's a fucking scrim like i don't give a fuck fuck this team fuck you and then it turns into like a turns into like a fuck this team fuck you i never wanted a team with you i can't wait to not team with you ever. You got heated. I'm very sure I like threatened and not go to the event. I was like, I don't want to go to this fucking event anymore. And we had to go to the event.

But it turned into that. And then I think maybe later that night, I had a maybe, I don't, probably not that night, but maybe like talk to Aries. And I'm like just thinking about it. And I'm like, dude, we, I have to, like, I remember during that team,

I was drinking like two to three beers at night just to like go to, asleep. Because you were stressed. It was like a stressful. But I was like fuck this. I never focused up. I was like there's like two weeks, two or three weeks to the event and I'm focusing on fucking hard

as shit. No more complaining because I always complain. No more complaining. No more like bitching. No more like all. I'm going to be positive. I'm going to try every single game. I'm not going to lollygag at all. Like I'm going to be robotic in these

fucking like militant in these fucking scrum. and I remember we all started to do that and we all started to like get better like even before the event we started like doing decent online and I was like okay there's kind of like hope here and then we go we went to the event and

we made it beat I don't fucking know who we fucking be this thing that thing that next thing we know we're in top three we're playing CLG for top two game one is lockdown oddball in the exact situation that we almost like broke up the team not going to finals i'm saying fucking never team with you again the exact situation happens we make we're down like 150 to zero or something crazy comeback actually crazy insane comeback we're down like 150 to zero it goes to 250

and we bring it back all the way like we just hold a long ass fucking setup and then like i have the ball in library nades are being chucked up It's on like my B-O-V-M like jumping. They're doing like the Gandhi hop fucking jumping, dodging Nata. All in my mind is I can't die here. And it was like the exact situation

he was like bitching to me about was just going through my head and I was like, I can't die here. I can't die here. This is it. This is it all makes fun. It's like the universe just completely fucking made sense

of that moment. But we come back. We win that game. And it was just like a crazy comeback. I don't know why we talked about that oddball game, but made a crazy comeback. Then we're at 1 to 0 in the series. Then we win game two. We're up 2 O in the fucking series.

And I'm like, oh my God, this fucking team that just got reality checked is about to make it to the finals. Or, yeah, make it to the finals of the finals. So it was just fucking absolutely insane to me. me APG Aries Arcaneum No one would ever think that's about the That would have fucking happened Not at all But that was just

One Well that was definitely the craziest shit For me and Brad teaming Teaming together I think We did win an event together as well I want to hear about that event If you want to Whether people want to count that or not

I would say I mean If they don't want to count it I don't care Nowadays it's like Dude Come on, Nickling has two. I do want that.

You got to count one of them. I do want to count one of them. The thing is about that tournament is like nobody expected us to win that tournament either. Like we were just some rag tag friends going because Matt got a captain invite. It's like, hey, you guys want to go? It was like R. B.T.H. And then we went.

We ended up just like going crazy. Literally two back to or two best of fives in finals, I think. Then we went. What did you guys play in finals? Straight ripping at the time. It was T squared Ryan Noob. Yeah, yeah. T squared Ryan Noob.

Somehow, some ways. Straight sick. At the time. He squared Ryan, who straight sick and Roy. Roy. Oh, yeah. This is like right before H-2A came out.

So Roy's disgusting at the fucking time. He's just like literally right before H-T-Way. And it was like no one played. The reason why people don't want to count it as an event because no one got to play H-2A. It was like you're playing it your first time when you get there. But there was tournaments beforehand like that people. Halo 4. No, no.

There was like a couple H-2A pre-launch tournaments. Like there was a Pax tournament and then like one other one that was in C-2A. Yeah, yeah. There was like like so some of the we hadn't played it though right? No, we never we none of us went to the pre-launch run like I think strong side at the time was on optic or something and I think he was playing or something strong side was somewhere and he played at one of the events and he was going to that one too so people had some people had played both like a little bit of it but we had never played up but like is it is it a cut and dry spawns are the same pretty much everything it's the same shit with just but the shots feel a little different and the maps up different. Different. graphics. Yeah, yeah. But the maps were all the same. The game types were all the same.

It was fucking the same fucking Halo. Yeah. So it's like, it wasn't like Halo, in Halo 4, and people still count wins for this. I think it was like Ninja. Yeah, they played. Ninja goofy bar. They got the game like illegally a week before. And practiced it.

No one touched the game. Did they lose that event? No, they won that event. No, they won that event. They won that event because, no, yeah, they're like talking shit. Like, no one touched it. the game but these fucking... They had a landhouse

at the tournament where they were like when the tournament's done they go back and play the game. No one... Yeah, no one has played the game. I remember during that... It's so stupid that throw a tournament

like that too. Never touch Taylor forever and you go to the event you're playing it for the first time. So it's like during warm-ups we're fucking sort of exploring the maps and we're playing but like...

And some shit team beats us and they like stand up there talking shit. We come to find out later. Like, they were, they had the event, they had the game early as well. And it's just like, I don't, but people count that as a fucking event when.

But it's like people are illegally playing the game a fucking week before, showing up to a tournament where no one's touched it. So I want, I want this event. We can count. It definitely counts. It was a fun-ass event. It was a competitive.

A lot of the players. CLG was there. And we beat them and they were at the time. This is not even, no shade to them. They were an incredible team at the time. It was Tugger. This was back when Snakebiter and World 2 were just like about to start, you know, their dominance in like Halo H-Tish away.

So it was like Snakebite World 2, Heinz, and Tugur. Oh, that's an insane team. Yeah, that was a team. That was a team. Like Tugger, like, I'm not going to say, scattered them out, but like he like. I mean, you beat. Well, they were, they were. You beat Tugger's team and you beat Roy's team in Halo 2.

That's a. They were, they were. That's a feat. I think that should have been in a event. That went. Say by and Root 2 were doing good before that. I'm gonna take that back because they wanted an event and reach. So I take that back.

But they didn't play Halo 4, right? They just came back. A team with like them, not really. Not really. Yeah, so they had just gotten back. So they had just like, so yeah, I'd take that back. I apologize for that. So they were still doing their thing in reach.

But there were still a lot of good teams at that, at that fucking tournament. So I mean, that was a really fun win too. That was like one of my favorite wins. I honestly like, I remember afterwards we were just hanging out. We got to play Halo 5 just plastered at that Hollywood theater. Sword. Yeah, dude. That was so,

dude, it was a lot of fucking fun. I, no matter what they say. I feel, what's crazy is I do not like L.A. or Hollywood now. It's just like,

it's kind of weird to me. And I don't know. But during, I think that was my first time in Hollywood. And I was like, this is fucking sick. The nightlife, the light.

We thought we were so cool. I remember, I don't know what it was for, what event or whatever. Do you remember, wasn't it me, you and T. Was Ace there as well?

And we like got to, hotel and we were like going hotel to hotels Matt was with us. Remember Matt? Yeah Matt was with us. Formal? Yeah. Really? Yeah, yeah. Matt was with us. But weren't we going like hotel to hotel sort of and fucking just drinking nonstop getting fucked up? We're like just gamer nerds going to clubs and shit by herself. Is this like after worlds? I can't remember when it was. Is this like when we say at the CLG house with like an air in like chunks with the

wait what was the what's the chunks I remember that did he blow chunks on the sidewalk or something yeah he did wait CLG like the when Randa was there do you remember wait I don't think no no this is when like we were hanging out with TJ after worlds and we went to the CLG house because they were on CLG and we just like stayed there

went to the club stay there then we went to like we started exploring hotels yeah I remember we had a little we thought Hollywood and L.A. was like so cool We would think of like the stars and be so happy. Yeah, we'd see the stars. I can go to clubs. Just get fucked up. The Halo scene is so much like closer than the Codzian is.

Like on Sunday nights, everyone in the Halo community is in one room, it seems like. Those were like the best days because it kind of was like that. Like back in back before maybe when it was when everyone was younger. Now it's like everyone goes down to the hotel bar. but I remember like me Brad Ace lethal

like we would always like formal as well we'd always just like be in a hotel room and just like everyone's just like fucking drunk yeah one like everyone would sort of come to the hotel room and packs you threw a party in our hotel room packs the it's true there was a lot more hotel wait really yeah and yours

in our you and I were in the same hotel this is after you retired uh or something wait and i i threw one they just had a bunch of fucking people there or something yeah i walked in and there was just a shit ton of beer and i was like what's going on you're like oh i invited i invited a couple people and then next thing i know i'm on the balcony because there's 15 15 to 20 people in our room and i was like okay this is but i was like i can at least nixen his element again uh because after you retired from haley you was kind of like a I don't know what when I've retired from Halo I didn't that's why like with Trippy and Lucid I don't know how good you guys were because I didn't um watch I was like

traumatized not traumatized but after I got dropped I didn't watch any Halo 5 because I like just I don't know I kind of like hated the fucking game I don't know how people did you enjoy Halo 5 the aiming felt so shit the aimer was broken that's my only grrap about hillify I loved halo 5 but the aimer was just like thrust every fight

the aimer was literally broken like it didn't feel like I just don't like watching pistol start it's it doesn't make a difference like it could do the same amount of damage you could shoot the same but I just wish it didn't look like a pistol I don't know that's just such a casual thing

Just like holding a little pistol a tiny like you grow up watching master chief and playing as him Battle right and then all of a sudden he's just You see Frosty and hook fight each other He's like some sort of marksman rifle right It was satisfied it has to be a VR or a DMR but like something It was fucking satisfying To five somebody that was getting the perfect sound I mean even now in Halo infinite I enjoy it I mean even now in Halo Infinite I enjoy it

but does he still say perfect yeah yeah but the stuff's the what is it the metal you get looks like ass and it's not in the kill feed either how often do you get perfects in uh on land like against like a top three team um is it still like still it's still uncommon or common it's still pretty common i would say so i'd say it's like it depends you're yeah it's when you say it's when you say top three team you're getting in uh i say you're getting in less won't be ones like that so it's not going to be it's not going to be as common it's like so you're playing like a team that just came out of am bracket it's your first pull play match you guys just might be running around like saving your energy for racket play yeah yeah it might be different but like when you're

getting like a BR perfect it's like depends if like there's there's pretty a lot of situations where might be like a PIV is what people say so it's it happens decent but usually want to make sure like you want to the least perfect possible you want to be team shoting so what do you guys do for fun outside of Hela. What's your life like? Literally, gym. Maybe walks. What's a day in the life?

We'll start with Trippy. Yeah, answer that I have to be. To be honest. See what time we're at? I mean, when I'm on my like schedule, schedule, I wake up. What's your schedule, schedule? So like, I'll wake up.

It's like... This is the ideal. Ideal like day, every day. I'll wake up at like, like, Hopefully I said it for 9.30, but sometimes I'll set it at 10, 10.30 if I just want to sleep in. I'll wake up around there. I'll hop on, I'll make some food. Hop on the computer. I'll hop in a stream. I hop in your stream sometimes in the morning. Or I'll just play some halo in the morning. And then let my food digest. And then I'll go to the gym at like 11 or 12, 1 o'clock. And then come home. If it's sunny out, I like to get some sun. So you do what? Walk around?

Yeah. Like if it's Katie Trail or pretty much anywhere. Just getting some sun. I need some sun. And then after that, we usually, it's either streaming or we have scrimms. And that's pretty much where I do. It's like every day. Are you exhausted after your scrims?

Um. I feel like scrims are exhausting. I feel like if I'm on a gym routine, it's weird. When I'm on my gym routine, I don't get tired as much as I would if like I'm not, working out and I'm not being active. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. I feel like I have to be active in doing things and then, I mean, yeah, I still get exhausted,

but it's a different, I don't know, it's mentally exhausted. It's not physical, so I don't know. Do you have any aches, pains, arthritis, the neck hurt, back hurt? No, the only thing recently, and it went away to, which is so weird, but recently, you know, like this part of your thumb, sometimes it would irritate me.

It was weird because it would happen for like, it happened for like four or five days. And it's been off and on before, but then it just disappears and I don't feel it ever again. So it's pretty weird. I've noticed fucking since I'm now 31. It is so weird how much my body hurts. Like even out.

I'll stream. I'll play like two, three hours. And my back, like when I go in my. my foam roller afterwards my back cracks beyond belief really like it's just it's so weird how my body just hurts i'm just old fucking fat that's what i'm not you're not my body just fucking hurts i like it what's a day in life for you brand wake up lately i'd say i'll say i'll say lately because it's different than like i'll say it's like a normal day of wake up 3 p.m

No, I'm kidding. That's what I'm saying. Not lately. Not late. If I'm on a good schedule, like I'd say like now I wake up probably about like nine, I'll let my dog outside. A girlfriend will make me some breakfast.

Thankfully, or I'll go to Starbucks get some breakfast. And then... What do you get? What's your Starbucks order? Dude, I've been going there a lot too recently. What's your own? I get a drink to strawberry outside of your refresher.

He loves it. It's so funny. In every picture, what is it? Trenta. It's like, there's Venti and then there's Trenta. Trantta is like the highest. Imagine Durag, Brad, just walking in a Starvation. It's technically, I think it's technically on the...

Secret glass. Gucci Fring. Glucy fring. I didn't even know there was something about Venty. I didn't know either. Certainly on the secret menu, it's not that much bigger, but I haven't honestly ordered a Vincentian forever, so I wouldn't know. But I get a Trinta, strawberry.

I saw a refresher with lemonade. Double-smoked bacon sandwich with no cheese. And then, um, wake up. do that shower eat right or shower do my skincare um it's probably stream lately i've been streaming i'll try and stream like honestly i try and do it like soon after i wake up kind of how people go to the gym so you have to wake up i'll try and like stream and then if it's like during our scrim season then after that i'll probably like try and be done streaming about an hour before we scrim or like 30 miss before and then scrimming about 5 p.m. 5 to like 8. 8.30 and we scrimm and then chill afterwards.

The scrimming every single day. Five to six times. Yeah, I say five nights a week before like when it gets closer to tournament we'd probably do six. I'm pretty sure before Worlds and there's that little break between Orlando and Worlds. I'm I'm sure we scream like honestly every single day I think like straight too. Yeah, because after Orlando there's only six more weeks, right? Yeah. The worlds?

Not even. There was three. We took a week off and then we got two weeks straight. We just screamed. Oh, yeah. Yeah. I need to start working out again. That's like something I really, really want to start doing.

Like whether it's not even like fully working out, but just like a moving. Just moving. Do you feel like you play better when you work out? I wouldn't say that. I just need like, uh, uh, maybe. I would, I wouldn't know. Honestly. I haven't seen like a lot of success and being working out at the same time.

The only time that I did see that was when we were teaming back in like 2014 when I was working out super heavy. Yeah. So, but like, you were kind of jacked at one point. Yeah, I was doing my thing. Thank you. I appreciate that. I was like, I was doing my thing and then Haley, HILT two anniversary came out and then I just fucking completely gave up. Do you have any aches or pains from 17 years?

Yeah. So actually, like, right before this, I got a sports massage. That's something I've been doing recently. That shit, like a real one to where it hurts? Yeah. Like, real sports massage, like stretching. Like, that wasn't to. pain when I was doing I was like I was about to sell a girl I was like he's like you're doing too

much well I was like now it'll feel better afterwards but lately I've been getting sports massages to help with that I try and stretch I need to get like a pull-up bar just to hang I know you do that I saw you say that and like a hex blog where you just hang just like just like stretching I really really really really need to like just start stretching more that's like number one thing that I think will like hinder my ability is just like getting way too tense stuff like that yeah I'm gonna tell people right now because especially here in the fucking gaming world. I had a problem with my neck.

I mean, granted, I was like up for days not moving my fucking neck and I was cracked off me tits. But like I had a problem with my neck and it eventually turned into arthritis because I didn't do anything about it. So I have arthritis in my neck. I mean, it's not like, you know,

it's not like I'm walking around like this or like it's like fucked up. It just, it's a constant irritation. Constantly feels like I got a twist turn. Bracket, something like that. So if you have like, yeah, especially in the gaming world,

if you have some kind of like wrist pain, something, like get that shit taking care of before it turns into some worse shit. All right, I got two more questions. What would you want to do if you weren't a Halo pro?

I mean, that's a great question. What was your plan? You had to have like a, did you get to college at all? Yeah. When I, when I first got in,

well, there's a thing. Renegade back in Halo 5 convinced me to go and join his team on AM team. Because me and Renegade were tight back then. And if weren't for him, I honestly wouldn't be probably competing. But yeah, I was in community college at the time doing my A for accounting. And I eventually ended up hating it. So I don't know.

I thought about being an accountant. I thought about joining being a fireman. You'd be a fireman. I thought about a lot of things. but it's tough. I really don't know. Wait, if I asked you this before, I feel like you told me the fireman ship.

Maybe. I didn't know that. Don't you see him as a fireman? You better be a fireman for Halloween this year. I'm married to you in a big red hat. No, dude. Brad, what would you do? Fashion.

Why do you, wait, we got to talk about this. Why do you, when did you, how did you, why did you get into fashion? assuming that would be what you get into if you weren't being a pro gamer um when i get into it uh i'd say when i first got to high school because um up in like elementary and middle school i had to wear a uniform because i went to private school so i didn't fucking have any clothes i just were wear a uniform and then just some basic shit um like some Nike and some basketball shorts And then in high school, like, I saw, like, I went to public high school, and then I saw

that everybody else was wearing. I was like, damn. And I started, like, as soon as I got in high school was when I became professional in HALA, so I started getting some money. And I was like, oh, and I just really started like his shoes. My dad actually got me into Jordan's heavily. So I say, like, just when I got in high school, I just, like, started just liking to dress better once I started getting some money.

Like, but really just Nike SBs and Jordans is really what got me into it. Since you won worlds would have you show. Shopped sense, knowing you got that money. Yeah. I'd be shopping all the time. I'd be shopping all the time. But I mean, like, knowing you got, how much, how much do you get each for World? 100.

100? It puts a little bit extra from like the team skin that was in the shop. But like the, if you guys. How much did you get for 09 not? 25. After taxes. Fucking, what, 18, 19 or something. 18.

It's pretty nice though back then. Back then, I was, back then I was like, buying weed for my friends. I was like the young all of my friends were like older so I was just like the young fucking like I wouldn't say cool kid

but damn was I just getting youth I don't think I was I got one YouTuberie question for both of you guys so because I think we're almost out of time but say Matt can't make the next

the next tournament and you guys have to play with Nick what do you think you guys could get as a team wait how long is nick practicing from now until the tournament so that's like three months yeah it's like two months yeah it's like two and a half months i'd say do i get to take out of again no never again in your life okay what do you argue not ask nick this what do you think we get if you can't take any and you're just screaming with us for like two months you can meditate though yeah honestly honestly it might honestly it might be better for the team if I didn't

take Addy. Of course it will. Because Addy's not a fucking cheek go, you dumb fucks. You're talking to himself. He's looking right in the camera. Just talking to my younger self in the camera. Like, it's not going to fucking save you, you piss for piss poor player.

Because I see a lot of people thinking it's like it's not a fucking cheat code. You don't just instantly go God mode. What's the question? What do I think we would play? What we place? We're not winning. You make it out of open?

Yeah. For sure. 100%. Oh yeah. 100% for sure. I'm just, I'm asking simple questions. It's a YouTuber. It's my job.

We're a thousand percent getting top eight. Depending on who we play, I would say we're not beating phase. We're not beating SSG. Top four would be difficult. Top four would be hard. Top six, we might be like going to game five or something. I'm thinking, no, I'm thinking top six.

I'm thinking top six. Low key. Top eight. Did you imagine the three of you guys looking over every event or every, every, every map and be like, all right, Nick, just like a little bit more out of you, you. I don't see, I think like, I think if I get proper practice, like, at a tournament, like, I would, like, kind of, like, I don't think I would fail as bad as like. I don't think you would fail either. I'm not like, I would, like, truly dedicate myself. I'm just saying you've.

Okay. Now, if we went to a tournament right now, I wouldn't have confidence. Would you make it out of a moment? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. If we would get top,

if we went to an event now, we'd get top 16. But that, after that, even then, it's like, they would just be, like, I would be able to fit in. I think we would still do better than top 16. Yeah, we would still get, like,

it would direct you. Depends to really well. Yeah. Like, it wouldn't even be really about, your gun skill, it would just be like, as long as you can be receptive to information, which you are, you would just, like, we would be like, all right, we get a setup, be like, all right, Nick will go here and you would just need to go there. But I would, right now, I would feel like I would definitely have a game where it's just like,

damn, I played bad. Like, I'm confident there would be one of those games where I just completely failed the fucking squad. That would be only if we're playing like a top top team. But yeah, that's only if I'm like, I'm playing Ryan Newby screaming at me. I'm goose. I'm fucking panicked. You have to get the first kill.

Like you don't have to. Yeah, like, you're just in a fucking spawn trap and pit. Like, we would maybe lose to like a Ryanube or like something like that. Top six, top eight team. I pretty sure they got top six, I think. Yeah, they got top six, yeah. I think we would not do that, like, as bad as you think.

I think you guys are just super good and just how well you guys, you guys know just what to do. and I feel like I'd kind of figure it out and I play like I play just like formal Yeah I've seen I've seen you smack formal For all time I mean he masering He wasn't nothing when I was playing

He switched the cod and dominated that scene I mean That can't be too hard though But when I was playing Matt When did Matt start fucking dominating Did he ever dominate I think he did dominate me a little bit In reach right

But they're a teaming He might have They're a team in that Oh yeah team to reach Matt let me down We should have made it to final We got top three Played Ryanoop for top two

I think formal had a mental block Then But he didn't I was playing good I was like I love to hear I was like I'm playing fucking good man Like I'm playing good against Fucking This Ryanew brat

And I just can't fucking beat him Like you guys have been dominating all attorney You have a mental block of Ryanoo I don't You bring him up every time anyone ask you about Because it's just who else is there to talk about There's the Sud Twins, the Ryan Nobs, the Cretos, there's this category of people

that's interesting to talk about. Pretty sure when we played them, like, last event, we were on, like, a feature station. I don't know who it was on their team, but it would just, like, get killed. It wouldn't even be like they're like, we'd be on 3-1.

They weren't, like, super-up in any game like that, but they just like start yelling. They wouldn't even be like, like, get shit on. It would be like a war car. Like, rah! I would just hear across the stage, or across the stations. I remember the match I got,

like three or four Texan and then had to sit my controller down. That was against Ryanube. Oh, yeah. So I don't know. It's just always... You guys have a rivalry, man. Last question of the fly cast.

What was going to be my last question? I know I had one more. What's your guys advice? Because e-sports being... Esports is on the rise. There's actually careers that you can make out of it. Out of all the people that are trying to make this a career and they actually do have the skill.

What's like, the biggest advice you'd give to them as far as like maybe networking or i mean it's sort of like a combination of everything but is is there like something that sticks out to your mind like damn i wish i would have done this sooner whether it's like not be a bitch about stuff give it your all and practice every single time like what what would it be um you're talking about like if someone has what it takes if someone has the skill and they're like uh yeah like they're they're not just wasting their time like they mean there's actually the biggest thing nowadays something that i just that i see in e-sports is like it's all about

it's not all about who you know but it's like you can't be an asshole like you got to you got to make friends you got to talk to certain people you got to watch you got to rise your way up through the ranks and you know i don't know you'd be surprised like there are a lot of people that I still see that or, I don't know, I don't want to say it's still in the same place, but I don't know. Your personality and just how you treat people is like a big part of where you end up.

Like, I agree. And yeah, just don't, just don't be an asshole, take criticism, try to make friends and just literally just rise your way, rise your way through the ranks. Because if you are good enough and you have the skill, people will notice you. Like, it's, people will notice you 100%.

it's all about just how you treat people and people's perception of you so that'd be my my biggest thing i agree so you're saying like this is strictly for like if a player wants like an player wants to be a pro pretty much yeah so like or even like pros that are like say uh just like a top 16 pro i don't fucking let's just say swish fives i don't fucking know what he places but it's like it seems like they have the skill they should be doing better. I saw gunplexion saying like, oh, you got to, it's just like everyone's dick riding. And it's like, no, your mentality for this is why you're at where you're at.

It's not fucking dick riding. It's like, dude, just you got to play the game. You got to play the Andrew Delt. You got to fucking, like, your mentality is not in the spot. It's not in the place where it needs to be to make this next step. Yeah. Like, yeah, what would your advice be? I'd say, like, to add on to what Joey says, it's like, you got to be,

being a good person and being personable and just being able, being easy to talk to and listening, being receptive, not even just like being, like being able to be critiqued, just or coachable, just being receptive to the information and implementing it when you're actually playing and showing that you're implementing it. But you got to be a good person because even being a good person nowadays, not bitching, it stands out more than the people, because there's a, we're in a pool of people that do just bitch and a lot of people just complain nonstop. So if you are like a decent human being

and you're like all those things I said and you have those characteristics, then you're going to stand out opposed to the people that might have skill and a lot of skill, but might be a complete dickhead. You're going to want to team with the person that has maybe a little bit of that skill,

but still like, you know, obviously a top player, but they're coachable and have the potential to be so much more because you can speak to them rather than the person that's a dick and thinks they're the best because they always get kills and whatnot and not wanting to improve or wanting to drop their ego once they get online. But also that, people always say growing your brand.

I think that's a huge thing. But it's also, I think it's hard to try and be at the top of your game and grow your brand and do certain YouTube videos and stuff like that. So if you can try and do stuff like that, make your, make your gamer tag in your name in the gaming world a brand. Like how it's like make Trippy a brand, maniac a brand, hit your brand, APG, a brand, make yourself an actual brand so when people approach you they know what they're getting opposed to just a player there because you're not just you have to sell yourself because there's

organizations that want more than just a player that's going to win tournaments they want somebody that's going to bring in eyes and views to them and maybe at youtube like for optic we do content all the time so that's a huge part of the organization um to certain things like that um let me think for a second what else honestly that's what I can think of but also don't like be be able to what's the word be able to like critique yourself

like if you like one thing I think is a really big problem is that and players after a tournament they will say like oh this person fucking shit the bad this person they're not this person they're bad don't blame somebody else because that says that says more a lot more about you than it does them if you're sitting there completely blaming a whole tournament or a match on one person that's just completely wrong you have to be able to say yeah

I fucked up and then people will realize that and be like all right They're going to comfort you and just take it on the chin and improve. Happens to the best of all the players. Everybody, obviously, everybody fucks up. Nobody's perfect. Everybody's going to make mistakes, but it takes a real player and the actual top player to admit those mistakes and learn from them. Literally every single team, every single player, like, you know, fucks up.

Like, no one's perfect. So it's like what Brad said. You've got to be able to, you know, take the criticism and be open. Just be open-minded. It's like a big thing. And also don't, don't ego chel nonstop. That shit is annoying and that shit is dumb. You don't need to, like, Halo and innocent gaming in general is not all about your shot.

You can get as many kills as you want about what you do after you get those kills. So don't just be challenging. I just love that term. Yeah, don't just be ego challenging people in matchmaking because you see it's their name and you want to look all cracked and not like in whatnot. It's not, it's going to do you. It's a turn off. Yeah, yeah. It's like, it's like, why are you doing all that?

You don't need to be doing all that. Like, we're in matchmaking. Like obviously like we talked about earlier We might get frustrated and try and matchmaking But we ain't just like Trying to do the most In matchmaking to prove a point Like that stuff doesn't matter

Yeah pros will realize like damn Like he's playing smart Rather than like over someone Like you It's so much of a difference Of someone being annoying It's like he omos shits on you It's like you don't give a fuck about that

You give a fuck about that he like Killed two He could have maybe tried to sly out and shit on you But he stayed alive back tower And now you got shot in the back and now, like, you can, pros, top pros will realize, like, damn, he's playing smart. And, like, sort of, that sort of build up over, like,

weeks or months at a time. Like, it's sort of, like, people will take notice. Very good point. Maybe take ABG's trippy advice. You might one day have your shot. All right. Thank you guys so much for joining us. Of course.

Thank you. This is a man. I love this. Flycast episode 897. It's been a good one. Peace out, everyone. Matt Craig played out of music.