The Flycast - Adderall Abuse In Esports | The Flycast Ep. 68

Episode Date: March 22, 2023

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Bro, have you listened to that whole song? I just want to rock. I think so. It's not even a song. It's like... Yeah. Damn. Damn.

Damn. Whoa. Why is it so good, though? Is it because it's a TikTok song? No, it's so good. I don't know. It's because, no, the beats is really good. I think a little Uzi just has that it factor because I don't know what makes him good.

but he's good let's talk about this okay a little Uzi good yeah because I feel like a lot of the not generation under

there's like us who is like 28 29 39 30 31 but then like the 22s 23s 24s they love Uzi and I can't say I love Uzi

I just don't think I don't think I don't think Uzi has ever had a song where I was like damn he's going crazy right now but he has really good beats really good beats makes really good dance music

I mean I don't think it's that hot of a take for people in our generation I don't think it's that hot of a take I was gonna tweet yesterday top for some fucking reason top five rappers of all time and I really like an actual like if you

like lyrically a bit like lyric ability actual top five would be I mean but you got a you got a account like lyrics right being able to make songs you're like the flow and the rhythm and the cadence and the in the bars and the voice my top five

Drake I had to say that first just to like get people's attention so people have clicked off already yeah yeah yeah to like get them out of here okay Drake little Wayne M&M. JZ. And I just don't really even know the fit. Kanye. Fuck, I did forget about Kanye.

Is it Kanye? I've been on a Kanye street. He's a really... It's almost like I don't not put him as a obvious. He's a fucking rapper, but he's like a banger maker. Like, it's not like he hops on fucking... Like a little Uzi. A bangor maker.

Kind of. He's not a rapper. But Kanye's so much better than Uzi. As far as bang making. Agreed. I agree with you. Damn, I was going to put Biggie in top five just because it was... Just because it's so crazy that he made like two albums with 20 songs each

and every single song is like a song I could... It's insane that life death is what called Life After Death, Ready to Die. Like both of those albums, His voice, his flow, his everything was so good. But it was like, it's hard to two albums. You're putting them top five all the time. It's like, can I do that? But I guess Kanye would be a good replacement.

Well, see, not the thing with top five lists, we've probably talked about those nine different times in flight cast. Yeah. It's hard. It's hard to lock down exactly what you mean. Because when, at what point, because you have a top five list and then you have rappers favorite rappers top five list which is Naz Raqam

fucking Blackthall Yeah Black Thaw is a really Yeah Andre 3,000 I was literally gonna say him You have those people And so people are like you can't put How are you gonna have a list without Big L

And it's like Because That's not the list I was going for If I was going for that list Then I would put You know But I feel like If doom and

Yeah You know, people like that in it. Like, I, yes, I get that. But if, but it's not what I'm going for. I'm going for like best rapper ever. Best, like, best artist. Best rapper artist ever. It's what is a rapper?

Like, it has to, if, I feel like if we're just talking rapping, we have to be counting sort of like album sales has to, it just has to sort of be there. Because if we're talking rapping, where it's like talking the best cod player, but we're not going to acknowledge like championships or wins. I agree. So I just feel like that has to be in there. It has to be a part of it.

Yeah. There's a few of those that. Because I don't know if you're just best rapper, it's like, I don't think you can really put in. Honestly, other people that don't have those. I think our generation, our generation is the first generation to experience rappers with extreme longevity because like i mean we've been alive right when we were born it started

yeah sort of because you i mean late 80s i guess the the like the generation before us where rap like started like wu tang's not putting out an album next month and it's gonna go number one like it's just not going to happen it's gonna it's gonna it's gonna be one of those wu tang put out of the album sold 24k yeah and it's like academics is like shit on them for doing that. Exactly. Which is, I think is ridiculous. Because,

I mean, Nas is still putting out a lot of music, but like, Nas is, he doesn't, I don't think he wants, he cares about going nuclear anymore. Like,

he just wants to make music and, like, put out, like, just what he loves to do. And, um, but, uh,

shit, where was I going with that? Uh, my mind just completely blanked. Naz. Uh, fucking oh oh um but like you see what has he going with that like the longevity of like m and m like he made classic after classic after classic and then like hasn't really made a classic in a long time did you see

this old rapper who was a pioneer of hip-hop mely mel was talking about how em and m the only reason he's in top five is because he's white yeah i well i mean male was probably someone hex Probably Hex didn't really listen to him. But he's like one of those late 80s, early 1991 rappers. Yeah. The fucking, I don't even know how to imitate their style. And here's the thing is I've seen it in real. You being from Maryland, me being from North Carolina,

I've seen it in real time white people love him in it. And it might be because he's white. I don't know. It does happen. It does. You can't say it doesn't happen. It happens. Doesn't he have a huge.

other cultures. Yeah, of course. Whether black, Asian, Spanish. Yes. But I have seen the rednecks driving down the road that won't listen to rap, but they'll listen to Eminem. I've seen it. I've seen it happen. But that being said, that doesn't mean everyone, like almost every artist has that,

has like a niche where they're like, damn it, I found them. I didn't mean to find them. But, okay, whatever. But. he multiple artists have told i mean if you listen to his lyrics he's he was like the first person doing shilling it's fucking insane dude if you think about like i'm sure i just i keep thinking of hex when i say this but it's like the fact that m&m makes up first off i've listened to every single underground freestyle mix tape whatever the fuck yeah

from him and M where it's just bars but the fact that he can make a I'm slim shitty yes I'm the real shitty you are the slim shitties are just imitating so won't the real slim shitty please stand up like that is so people don't understand how like hard that is dude to like make something like how I would never ever ever

think of that I it's a it's a song that if you're an actual like if you're an Eminem fan or a rap fan it flies under your radar because it's so popular, but till I collapse is fucking crazy. Because the way he uses his voice inflection as

like percussion almost. Like I think I saw a Jay-Z interview where he was like kind of breaking it down. But to like collapse and feeling this trash long as you feel in the middle days and not in the same I'm not feeling of him. Is he the goat? I haven't enjoyed an Eminem album since

a very, very long time. 2007 what even fucking album was it I mean his run was insane his run was crazy even after I started stopped enjoying him he's still putting out like recovery and shit with making songs with Rihanna I think recovery is still in his run not for me but yeah not for you I think I think it was it was still in his run as far as like the general public's concern Is it recovery till I collapse? No, no. I don't think so.

Maybe it's not. I think that might be the might. Is that I'm friends with the monster? Yeah, that his song? My bad. Is that? Or that shit that he did with Lil Wayne. I'm gonna pick the world up and I'm gonna drop it on his fucking head.

What about Little Wayne? Wayne's my number one. Yeah? I. Damn, who's my number one? Fuck. but like little Wayne

Wayne is crazy longevity wise Wayne is greater than Eminem in my not longevity wise as and he's been relevant in the scene because Eminem's been relevant since little Wayne's kind of been relevant since

late 90s too when he was 12 with the hot boys go DJ that's my DJ everybody's turning up to a 14 year old yeah I don't know who I would put Pompopopon Pomp,

dude, that beat is so iconic. Mani fresh. Uh, many fresh. Dude, no voice. Where would,

uh, where would I put Low Wayne? Low Wayne made more bangers to me longer than Eminem. Eminem made more bangers. But Eminem's style of rap. I think just Wayne being, I think Wayne is,

well first of all this little freestyle i think drake is the best feature artist ever to breathe that's the most stand what did you just say repeat that i said drake is the best featured artist to ever to ever easy what easy easily but i think wayne is up there and i think drake i don't know like is drake better than wayne though yes i think so i think so yeah he's Drake's the greatest rapper of all time. Is this camera looking at me? When you, I don't know. Like, I remember it's, like, I think maybe Drake, like, learned that from Wayne.

Is what is, is, I don't know if that's, like, all fugues and that, like, I mean, even if he did learn it, like. Because I think so. Ormo learned his shit for me. That doesn't make me. Yeah. Like, like, he's, I guess you could. say he's better than me. So it's like,

I'm saying Drake greater than Wayne. Okay. Like, that's pretty much how you could compare us. Me and formal, it's like, I was a little Wayne, I found formal,

yo, let's squat up. So who's Nicky? Wow, you're shitting. Who's Nikki Minaj? Aaron A. Cillam?

No. Is there another person I could put, we don't really have a trio. I wish we did. No, it would be you. And then formal. Low Wayne.

Low way, me, formal Drake. So who's Nicky Minash? I can't fucking... I don't know if we did have one. No, Nicky Manor. That was a great opportunity for me to think of someone that would have been funny, but it's like, I can't give that to Ace.

He ain't no Nikki. So who's Tiger? Who's Little Twist? Ace is Tiger. Okay. And then Little Twist is... Flame Sword? Oh, wait.

Yo, let's do it. Let's do a little, let's do a little trivia. Without, without looking at your phone, name all, name as many. First off, I was pissed off at the major when I'm on the main screen. And that other dude's naming Halo 1, Halo 2, Haley, 3, 4. Like, did I do I lose that? And then I don't mind you know you can't do that. All right.

All right. Without looking at your phone, name as many members of young money as you can. little twist little wane little wane little wane cori guns Drake

birdman Nikki Minaj that might uh gutta gutta gotta gotta I put a under get a

getta uh I know there's gonna you're gonna say one that I'm gonna kind of be pissed I don't know if I am

right I said Nikki right I'm pretty sure you said yeah I'll just who am I missing uh Mac Maine

Mac Maine I fuck Jay Mills I'm sorry Mac Jay Mills Chanel Do you remember Chanel Wasn't Tyga

I think If you did it You would have I kind of give you Drake Tiger Nicky Wayne And then there's a bunch That I like don't know

Like honey cocaine Chanel She know her Chanel West Coast You know her Do I All for ridiculousness The white girl

That's her Yeah yeah she's in young money yeah damn it's a weird fucking world we live in bro you want you want to know the parallel of that do you know uh reeds company night media i do now so so i was like uh like what i saw his like i saw an interview with read mr beast manager right mr beast manager i'm scrolling down all the people that night media like uh uh

reps and it's like Mr. Beast typical gamer um fucking Ryan Trahan uh

uh like Carl Jacobs like literally the the top of the top in in like uh in everything like in a dream fucking

damn dream yeah the dream oh no Minecraft dream. Yeah. I'm thinking and if I said that I who, who, baby. Like

what the Hassan, Jesser, Asman Gold, Nico, uh, laser beam, sap nap, like literally the top of the top. Dude, can I get in this fucking group? Jay Schlatt, like literally the top of the top. And I keeps going down because I'm like, damn, this is really cool like how somebody could have this much of a monopoly.

And then it's Sam Octane LaRue. What? I'm like, how the fuck did you get in here? Wait, so what does he... I don't know. Does he, like, do something? Sam, Octane Leroux is a North American called a D player. I need to get that shit. For the L.A. thieves, who is widely regarded as one of the best ARs of all time.

I was like, Sam, let's go, baby. I wonder what he does. He's third from the bottom. At least he's not the bottom, you know what I mean? My man, Scooba Jake. Damn, Scoobie Jake. Now what fucks with you? He's got 13 million sucks.

Damn. How big is fucking YouTube? Oh, it's insane, bro. Here, I'm gonna scroll. If I tell people I have 250,000 subscribers, they're like, what? Really? Damn, you're like famous?

Not like in the gaming world, but like a... Oh. I'm like, yeah, I do YouTube, Twitch. They're like, what the fuck? I'm just gonna scroll and I'll click on one. No, well, I know how... Okay, so Samara Redway. 1.6 million.

I don't know who... Oh, fuck, man. It's like... What do I want to do with my life? Because I'm not... Like, I'm not... You don't have it right now? I'm so...

Like, Baseline. Wait, can I finish my... I gotta finish my joke because I was building it up and then I forgot the punchline. All right. So, Sam Leroux

is the Chanel West Coast. Yes. Of night media. Exactly. Okay. Sorry, sorry. That was the whole point. Yeah, I had to get that in.

Yeah, no, that's a, that's a good fucking comparison. Dude, there's just, YouTube is so, it's, it's, it almost seems like, I thought it was, I mean, obviously YouTube still pop in. But I almost thought like Twitch took over. Like, it's just because how, how we how it. Yeah. That's kind of the world we fell into. Yeah. It's just so, I think I'm going to.

to, uh, I'm gonna go to Best Buy today and buy a SD card and some batteries. I'm gonna start this thing. I think I'm gonna start with a house tour, clickbait with some announcement. I'm gonna do a day in the life with the house tour. Clickbait, some announcement, leaving optic question mark. Something like, you know, I'll have to think of that. Announce the 60 day shit and then start because, God, I'm just ready to get this started.

And you know what? I'm done talking about that. Before I see the comments saying maniacs talking about it again, it's going to happen. They're already. But I'm just, I'm thinking, yeah,

it's already, it was already typed. Before I even brought it up. Is this, yeah, someone said, I'm going to watch until Nick talks about a 60 day workout plan.

All right, but even besides that, like, if they made it through the Drake speech, they're, they're in. Yeah, they're in for the long.

long haul. They're in there. I'm gonna, uh, I'm gonna get back into YouTube a little bit, though. I've been IRL streaming. Did you know that? Like on your phone? Yeah, and it's been going kind of well. Really?

Yeah. Like, I've had like 600, 700 viewers and I don't know how. I'm just walking around Dallas at 10 a.m. after my run. This is what I do. That's pretty good. It's pretty cool. That was fucking mind blown. I'm expecting to see 47 viewers.

or something like that. But so I've started running until like the past like three. I hurt my hip after that basketball video when I was like trying to dunk literally hurt my hip. And like my calf, but I was I was running. Just remember that. It makes, but like there's no. I'm running like Katie Trail or walking Katie Trail now because my hip. And it's like I see people that look way worse than me.

And they're just. Dude. Running is crazy. I think, do I have like bad genetics with bones? I got arthritis in my neck. It cracks on stop. It's fucking sore. Hip hurts.

Back pain. Um, wait, what was my point? Oh, I've been IRR streaming. So I'll lift weights in the morning. And then afterwards, I'll go for a run. And I was probably doing this like two, three weeks before like the Colorado trip and then a little bit after. But I'll go for a run.

just go, usually what I'll do is I'll run the ACV's apartment and then I'll start my stream. Yo, Aaron, where are you at? Let me guess you're fucking sleeping. I just lifted away. Just like talking shit, fucking with him. And then some people will clip it

and tweet it at him or he'll just enter my chat. It'll be like, dude, wait up. And I'm like, I don't fucking know if he tries to catch up to me or something, but I'm like, I'm out of here. But I'll just go to his place, start my IRL stream and then just like walk around Dallas. and it's weirdly kind of

therapeutic kind of I don't know what it is but I feel like I'm just out there saying dumb shit like if the sun's hitting me in my face I'll just stop and be like I'll be like wake up chat come on someone fucking get up man let's do something today

and that's sort of like that's really dope yeah and it's just it's going better than I thought it would. I'd like to do some shit like that. My, um, IRL streaming on the phone is fucking stupid. If you accidentally hit your power button or like somehow swipe,

it just ends the stream. I need an IRL backpack because if service cuts out, it ends the stream. Like this morning I tried to do it. Do you know what Katie Trail is? No. It's just like a famous fucking trail that people walk here. But I was like going there and I was like trying to walk.

And I'm walking around the city. I'm in alleys. homeless people around. It's kind of like, I don't know, it's kind of fun. Slash sketch. But...

Apparently those backpacks are like... If I, if I lose service, the backpack save you from that. And I was talking to Alex because I'll lose service. Boom, stream ends. Click back on up.

Half the viewers are gone. And then 10 seconds later, yo, we're back, we're back. Then just F, F, F, F. And then the stream ends again. I try to start up. Stream ended like 13 times today. Just fucking.

piss me off kind of ruin my morning a little bit definitely killed my buzz because I was like feeling it like the sun was out I was ready to have like a just a nice trolley walk through the walk through the city but I need to get a how much are this apparently this backpacks are pretty expensive she said I think it was like 1500 and then you pay I think she said maybe like 150 a month for I guess you could call it service so you so it doesn't like Alex Botas? Yeah. Oh yeah,

because they did that whole Twitch. They went to Romania, right? Romania? I don't know where they, I know they have IRL stream before. But I'm trying to, I don't really want to try to get

into that world. But it's sort of fun. I would love to get into that world. I definitely, but could you do it at like, would you, could you do it just doing your own thing? Like,

I could, but like, or would you want? to be at an event walking around because that's where I feel like I couldn't do it. I could not do it at an event. I would only be able to do it like if I was traveling or like going to coffee.

Cause I've always wanted, I've always thought that like, whenever all this shit like, whenever all the like the streaming every night and like working on videos and stuff, like if I'm ever like older but I still wanna make content but I'm like kind of just living life, I think I would like to do like coffee streams or like a coffee show where I sit down and have coffee. maybe chat do something you know what i mean people would do that i think you gotta you well i don't

know i look at it like i got to do this in the morning before anyone's fucking streaming because people are like what the fuck me like i i did it at like seven or eight a m not that many viewers i think maybe we got up to like 200 which is still fucking good but if i do it at like 10 a.m it's like i don't know ran and i'm not even under like call of duty or anything. It's like I'm in like fitness and health and I just see like hell of follows by like new people. I'm like these no way these motherfuckers have heard of me.

Yeah. They just see they click like fitness and health. They're looking for a girl doing yoga. But they find me. They're like who the fuck is this guy? I'm just walking around like I'll see any apartment building in Dallas and be like yeah, this is the project.

So it's kind of fun. It's a new little adventure. Yeah. It feels good when it's like, I don't know why I even started, but I just did not really expect anything out of it. Have you ever had an adventure like that or like an adventure, but an adventure like that where you wish you would kept going with it?

Like starting the IRS stream, but then I just like stop. Next week, maybe you like stop doing that. But you're like, but then like a month later you're like, damn, I wish I would have kept up that IRL stream. Like is there, do you have shit like that? I can't think of anything specific, but. I mean, there's plenty of shit I wish I kept doing.

It's hard not to think like, oh, like I would, I have no regrets. Like everything made me the person I am, but I definitely, like, I think of it like, damn,

but I'd be like pretty. If I just can, it's so, my brain was so much different back then. Like now I wake up and I like have to do something or I feel that I have to at least stream in workout. like the other day I streamed but I didn't work out and I just felt like I just felt like I

failed the day so now my brain now is like I have to do something every day or I just feel like a failure back then all I wanted to do is take fucking Adderon play and have none of you guys around me or hacks or be in a video or anything like that and it's just so annoying how brain wasn't then what it is now. Like if I would have been, do you feel like back in the day, were you waking up? Like, because I know you are now. Like you got to wake up. You got to get your like stream in, do whatever the fuck meeting, whatever you're doing

around here. Like do you feel like that? Like if you're not accomplishing something every day, like you, it fucks with you? Dude, it's not even every day. It's like every. If I like sit down and I don't do something for like two hours, I'm like, What am I doing? I like freak out.

Do you feel like it was like that at the optic house? No. Yeah. See, I don't know. Is it because am I like this now? Because obviously I have a more clear mind, but it's like, I understand how much I fucked up.

And I'm like, I can't take this for granted again. I think it's just how everything is risen. Because like in the scuff house, we were still kind of in the days where it's like, oh, I could do a Q&A with Bose on my channel and now get like 150. but like you but even then it's like at least if i do that if i figure out some bullshit to put out every day like that would be but i wasn't even i was i just wasn't figuring it out every day didn't

necessarily want to it just didn't i mean i was focused on like vision mostly yeah it's like at least that's how i remember it it's getting so far back where like i can like barely even remember what that but i just i just remember it'd be like a thursday and it'd be like, yo, nothing until Monday, doing a smooth comp Monday. And I'm like, fuck, yeah. I got Thursday night, Friday, night, Saturday, and Sunday.

You're right. And I'm like, I get to do literally nothing. Hex might pop in with his vlog piss me off. But like, besides that, like, I don't have to do shit. Now when, see, that's, that's not good. But that's also. It's not fucking good. So many people are trapped in that mindset, too.

I know Adderall is fucking. It's making people away so many times, so much time. Wasting so much time. You see, I think I forgot who's, who was talking about it. I saw Jake Lucky tweeted out. Somebody came forward. I think it's the APEC community and said that, like, they need to start drug testing. But, like, I want to, I want to ask you what you think, like, like, because obviously,

I think Adderall is an issue in, in e-sports. but I'm not not really I don't really care about the competitive advantage disadvantage I don't care about that just because like I've seen it so much I'm more care I I care more about the health of the players yeah like that's how I look at it because they're they're all 16 to 22 years old and you take you take it once and honestly it's like you're tricking yourself that you're doing better because a lot of the times you're not doing better. Yeah, that's what I tell people all the time. Like, it ain't saving no one's career.

Yeah. It's really not. Oh. Like, no one, I'd like to ask Zen about this because Zen is one person that I know has never taken it. And he's been around. Who Zen? Methods? Oh, Zen.

Zen, yeah. Sorry, I think he said Zen. No, Zen. He's never taking it? He's never taking it? Damn. And, yeah, isn't, see, that probably shocked a lot of people what you just said. Well, they think, like, he's been a pro gamer for 10 plus years.

He's going to at least dabble. I don't think people think how, I don't think people know how serious it is. I think people say it and people joke about it. Everyone is dabbled, but I think people, it is very serious. I don't know how serious it is for, I think a lot of people don't get sucked. Hmm. I want to say I don't think a lot of people get sucked in it, sucked into it. Like I know, I knew a bunch of people that would like take it come to a dirty time.

Like they're going home. It's not fucking, they're not fucking, not fucking up their life, but they're not abusing it. Like that. So I don't, I don't know. It is really bad though. It can be really bad. I just don't know how much of the population it is bad for. Yeah. Well, it's weird because some people need it.

And that's the biggest issue. It's like some people need it so you can't really like, like, how do you, how do you, how do you, how do you, how do you know? I think I need it. But. How do you regulate it? Man, what an amazing episode of the flycast has been so far. But before we continue, we must talk about today's sponsor, which is the corduroys beanbags. Elevate your gaming setup to the next level with the optic gaming beanbag by Corderoyce. This exclusive beanbag is made with high quality materials

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This beanbag is available at corduroys.com. I should have been sitting on the optic beanbag, but it's right. JP, point the camera over there? Oh, it just, yeah, just do it. Oh, my God, that's just a beautiful. I hate to break the fourth wall, but that is what you could be sitting on. All right, let's get back to the flycast. I feel like they're eventually maybe come out with a new drug that doesn't because when you take Adderall, you're spiking your fucking serotonin and then it's crashing.

And then when you're not on it, your brain's not producing the serotonin and stuff. So it's like you feel like, God, I fucking need this shit. Like, God, am I fucking, why am I stuck? I'm so unlucky to have this brain like this. So you just like keep taking it. where were we going with this I was just asking what like apparently

it's becoming a big issue or it's becoming it always it goes away it goes away for a year and then it'll come back in a news story why is it a big issue in apex um I think somebody in apex it was some it was apex or some sort of e-sport

said something like you know the the abuse of adderall is crazy in our in our esport Jake Lucky covered it and then every time it comes back like people will go all the way back to the halo days in like 2008 or whatever, 2010, whenever, like, it's first started. Or what years? It probably started 2006, 2007.

Which is... When it became popular for gaming. I mean, I'm sure that Halo 1 kids in 2003 were cracked the fuck out. Do you think so? Yeah. But that it wasn't like mainstream at all to where... Like, you're an event, you're at... an event and you know a lot of people here

are probably on Adderall. But that probably started in like 2006, 2007. That'd be my guess. Around then. So like, it just became another news story and I've always kind of wondered what you think is the way to go. Like, how do you regulate it?

How, how, I mean, as CDL events, they do drug tests after every single after every single match, they grab a player and do a drug test. Right, it's CDL. CDL does. For Adderall?

Yeah. But if you have a script, you're fine. I guess. But the results don't come back till later. So it's not like if you just want to match, they drug test you. Yeah. The results don't come back to later. I'm pretty sure.

I could be wrong, but I think in CDL, if you have a script, you're good. Yeah. So like, and then. So how do you regulate that? But why, why do they want to regulate it? Is it because they feel it's unfair? I'm sure they want to regulate it because they see it as like a performance enhancer. But like I don't give a fuck about the performance enhancing.

I've seen it fucked with people. Like plenty of times. Yeah. I mean, we've known, I've known people who have gone to like the hospital because of it. And I just, I feel like, I feel like for a long time it was something that wasn't talked about. because like everybody did it or it was just what people do but I feel like it doesn't have to be that way

like people are disgusting I think notoriously Simpin and Abizi don't take it and they're the fucking like they're insane like they're like the best duo that we've seen like I don't think Shotsie even fucks with caffeine

yeah he doesn't and it's like so there's a whole wave of like pure passionate, cracked out kids and like, I think the new message should be even if you're like, I know you don't have to say this to like Shotsie, Sam and Abizi, but you can say it to people that look up to those guys like whenever you start feeling, whenever you start feeling your passion

go away, do not turn to drugs to bring that back. Do not do that. It's almost not a skill. issue like I know for me when I was playing Halo Halo 2 Halo 3 I just wanted to get home and play Halo 2 Halo 3 Like I didn't

And that was why I got So good quickly because I was so passionate about it Come Halo 5 I'm like the game feels like shit Yeah But I don't know But I was also taking hell at

Eddie starting in like 2010 So it's like don't know if that fucked with me and maybe because when you start taking out of you in your off it you don't want to fucking play at all yeah it's like weird and that's how that's how i felt editing vision just like if i wasn't on it like i didn't not want to edit yeah and which is really bad because then that's when i got so addicted to it put it this way addy's not going to fucking save you it's not going to make you better you might take it at first and you're so focused and feeling cracked that night

that you play good. You're staying awake and you're wondering but trust me that goes away so quickly. The only thing it'll help do will be like instead of doing anything productive in my life I'll just take Adi and it'll make me want to sit here and play video games.

The crash is so... The crash is so bad. Now what should they do? I don't know. I mean it's just the whole doctor's fucking And if they have a prescription, what are you going to do? I feel like awareness is better than anything because it's better than anything that because the doctor with with how things are, especially in America, I don't know about anywhere else.

But if you have a doctor's note, you can't legally say like, hey, you're not allowed to take that. In my opinion, I think that's how it is. Yeah. So like and I mean, it's notoriously easy in the United States to get an Adderall script. super easy. You have to go to the doctors and say,

hey, I can't focus and bam. So anyone can get one. But I think I think that's just what if they're like,

okay, we're going to drug test you and unless you have a script you're going to get in trouble. I think everyone's just going to go get a script because they could. It's that easy to get.

First off, if I was competing and they tried taking away Addy or like drug testing Friday, I'd be pissed because I I took it for I mean I was practically I took I took some in middle school

some in high school then for gaming I started abusing it in 2010 2011 got really bad so pretty much 10 years from 2010 2020 but yeah yeah and then but when I had to stop taking it

like basically made a decision I'm done with this shit I don't fucking need it Yeah. Even though I kind of do I need it? I don't know. I think I'm ADHD. But once I got off of it, I could, I would say it took two years to even focus. I would say like there would be rare occasions a year, a year after I stopped taking Adi's when I started feeling like, okay, I'm random.

Maybe randomly, I think like Halo Infinite came out. I'm like, okay, I'm randomly getting in some like damn up focus. I'm locked. But it's like it'll last for until I die. Like may or just maybe like one game. Now and then it's a, I would say it took like two years to even be able to kind of

fucking focus. Like right now I could turn on my PC. I could get into, start a ranked game of Cod or Hela, whatever and I could semi lock in. But it's just it's not. The shit, I think it does to your brain long term is so not worth it. It's just not healthy, man.

And you think people are like, I'm not taking a fuck ton like he fucking idiot. Well, I bet what you are doing is doing nothing productive in your life, but just taking that little bit because that gets you cracked. And you're still like, it's still fucking with your brain. You just think you need it. and now, now next thing you know, you need it every single time you're going to play.

And it's like that right there in itself should be enough to be like, damn, I don't, I used to love getting on and playing. And now I don't do anything with my life. I just take Addie and want to play. So, I know so many AMs that are wasting their life away,

trying to just because, it's because they love the feeling of Adderall. It just makes you, you love the, you love the feeling of taking, the drug and the game or it doesn't even have to be the game it could be the game or the

like you working or you I don't know what like what else do people fucking do on it like wait Zen we're trying to get Zen in here I want to ask him about it since I know he's notoriously never taking it

he's sniffing and I ask you one question for the flycass real quick okay we were just talking about Adderall abuse and I know you've never taken any What? Well I tried it I tried it once Oh you did try it once

I'll just I'll spill it I'll just I'll spill it I tried it once last year In Vanguard against Optic Which is one of my best games In a long time I went 10 and 30 first map I went to the bathroom

I started slapping myself in the face saying wake the fuck up I never touched it again Okay so that was very late in your career Yeah You never take it. What do you think needs to be done in order to regulate it in e-sports?

Is there a way to do it? Do you have any idea at all? I mean, it's actually, so they test now. Right. They actually test, but now everybody who was taken and went and got a script. I mean, getting a prescription now, you literally go online and just search it and then next thing you know, you have a script. Yeah.

I don't know. I would just like the players to like realize that they don't need it. Like, if you're 20 years old, I can guarantee you. You don't need anything to give you more energy or focus. It's just like a placebo now, I feel like. But I'm not sure. I mean, there's no way. I mean, unless you literally ban it completely,

but then it's like there are a couple players who definitely probably actually need it to function. So it's a weird one. But, yeah, players stop taking it. Yeah. Okay. We were on the right track. That's about, that's about our. Yeah, we were on the right track.

Yeah, I would say, uh, stop fucking taking it. especially if you're a fucking am and you're if you're not a pro and if you haven't made it to pro status and you think Addie's going to make the difference it's not it's not it is not it is definitely not you are just simply addicted you sit at you sit at home don't take Addy and I would guarantee you're fucking miserable so you take Addy it sort of gives you this And this distraction. When I would take out of, days would fly by. So people just keep going back to it.

And it's just not, I think it fucks with your brain chemistry more than it should. I know friends that it is affecting negatively. And they're always going back to this like, almost like, uh, shit's not working out. I'm depressed. Can't do this. Can't do that. I'm unlucky. Wish things would be better.

And I'm like, dude, you're just addicted to fucking Adderall. So, like, you're just fucking crashing every night without it. You're going to say this. You're going to say that. You're not going to make a fucking change. Or you might make a change for a little bit. And then it's like you're just going to be right back to it. You need to break the fucking cycle.

of taking Addy every single day, especially if you're abusing it. And you need a reel back into the real world where you're not, your days don't revolve around Adderall in video games. Like you can get a good four hour session in and get better. You don't have to fucking sit there for eight hours and play, 12 hours in play,

16 hours in play, pull all-nighters, get no sleep, feel like shit. Oh, I feel like shit. you start thinking, I know I started thinking I felt like that just in general. Like when I was all fatty, I would be like, this is just how I feel. Like I'm fucking, I hate my life. I'm miserable. My brain is thinking so negatively. And it's like, it's not it.

It is for that time. But it's because you're spiking your fucking brain with this with this serotonin, just completely spiking. And so when you're off it, you're just completely crash. You're thinking all these negative thoughts. and that's not truly who you are you need to quit the shit you think that's who you are

so you just keep retaking to feel better but it's a process yeah it is a process it is a process but I do think I mean I think the underlying you know thing moving forward that I said you said sin said it's just like

the messaging. You don't need it. It doesn't make you better. It has ruined lives. And, you know, I mean, if you need it to function. People don't realize how miserable it makes them. Yeah. I mean, I mean, it literally, it changes your brain.

Like, it, it, it forms your, it forms like, like, These thoughts were like you think that you need it to keep like to survive or you need it to like think straight. It becomes you become a better human on it because you're you feel like you're on the limitless pill. You feel like that's how you should like, oh, this is how I should be feeling. But in reality, I'd say 90% of that is you and your own thoughts. You're not actually getting better. You're not actually a better human. You're not actually more productive.

You're not doing shit with your fucking life. You just, you just think you are because that's what your brain is telling you. Your brain is like, oh my God, we're more focused now. Like, what the fuck are you focused on? Yeah. I don't know. That's just, I mean, that's just our, or my experience. That's your experience.

Yeah. So. Well, speaking of Addy, the major just happened. Your voice is gone. Yeah, my voice is gone. Is it is, they can't just be screaming on stage. You screaming on the crowd You out in the crowd

Or fucking something Yeah You just lost your voice From screaming on stage Uh I think like the older You I feel like has to do with my age

I don't know Maybe I'm fucking I'm falling apart But no Because the first time I got on stage I was just I was just mind

Like as soon as I like Do it I like black out And that's why I get like What do you feel like before you go out there with the drums. Are you like jumping up and down, hyping yourself

up? Or is it kind of just like you're just hype anyways because this is the fucking start of CBO? See with the major, with our major, like I mean this all started because before the optic

major last year for nine years it had always been, let's go optic, clap, clap clap, clap. So I was like, we had to figure out something new. So like the the green wall, that's when like the green wall like green

wall or whatever. And then the we ready thing. I say great. I believe we will win. Like there's a bunch of things. A bunch of shit has spawned up since then. But I tried the drums, things on the floor last year. And then we made it a final. So I did

it on stage. Which was, that's the only two times I did it last year. And then we did it this year. Just because it was Thursday and it was our, it was our, like, I was like, you know, like, hyped the crowd up or whatever. And I was just shocked at how many people were out there. Yeah.

You turn the corner and it's a third Thursday is usually half capacity. I mean, think about Halo. Thursday on Halo events or Fridays on Halo events are like quarter capacity. Like there's like, like everyone's still at work. People come on Saturday and Sunday. And I turned the corner and it was. just there was literally like it was it was it was damn near sold out on Thursday 20 like or like 2100 people was this the craziest optic event I would say so I would say as far as I would say I was

amazed by like we had the soccer ship basketball a barber yeah fucking I didn't know all that shit was getting set up yeah that shit was fucking nuts the crowd was insane 100% of the time 100 yeah it was unbelievable like like that set up i don't know if this is a word for that a precedent for everyone else you're crushing i'm trying i haven't studied any shit oh that set the fucking tone for the season for like other majors to i mean it's not gonna happen no one can top that that that shit was fucking insane but i mean that that is just and and i feel like Maybe coming from my side of things, like I don't think anything in,

in Call of Duty will ever top how I felt last year just because of all the adversity that, like, Optic had gone through, and then like Seth had gone through, Hector had gone through, you know, TST and myself, and then we win our own major that we hosted. Like, nothing will ever top that for me. Yeah. So if we would have won this year,

it would have just been like the craziest cherry on top. But I think I think like being On the other side of things and like I remember Corey the first time Corey was like Okay so here's what we're gonna do and he late he showed me the blueprints of both of the expo hall and The showroom and I was like those are all chairs. He was like those are all chairs I was like are we gonna sell that many tickets? He was like we've already sold them and like you in like and then he showed me a basketball court in the soccer field and the barber and I was like this is fucking

epic. Yeah. And then to see it come to life, like to see it come to life was like, that was like a unreal festival almost. It was like. It felt like a merging of what Call of Duty used to be and what Call of Duty is now. Like I would talk to people and they'd be like, I was, I've been in the showroom, or I've been in the festival hall the whole time because like that's where Challenger's is.

And like I love the like feeling of the pit and like walking around and doing stuff and then watching watching the games over player shoulders. Like that was how Call of Duty used to be. Yeah. And then right down the hall is this massive ballroom with a huge stage and the pro players up there. Like, and that's what Call the Duty is now.

Um, so I, I was, uh, I, I, I mean, I also am very like grateful that, uh,

when, like, since Seth has retired, it's something that like, we've all been nervous. about for six years because Nate Nate retires and you're like

holy shit what's Call the Duty what's Optic gonna be now and then everyone put all that into Seth so now Seth has the weight of like two superstars yeah and he carries that for eight years and so you're wondering what's Call of Duty going to be like

after Seth retires what's Optic going to be like after Seth retires and everyone said I you know it's going to die when Seth retires. Optic is gonna, no one's gonna watch Optic. Like you get the trolls all the time.

Like, no one's gonna watch fucking Optic. But the thing is their actual fucking brain actually think that. Like I get it. I get the thought of that. Seth is fucking massive. Yeah. But let's not sleep on dashy and Shatzy.

That's what I'm, I think, it's gonna be popping. Not when they go. Now we're worried. But I'm thinking it's just like, But then what we have someone else? I'm just very happy.

I'm just very happy that like the optic fan base, you know, it is what it is. Like, it's something that like is like a is so different from what you see anywhere else. Like you see it a little bit with TSM and Apex. like you see it a lot with like people that have rep their country like loud and and and like the Brazilians in any esport that they represent but like as far as far as like people to band around

like a fan base to band around one organization like it just doesn't like this shit just doesn't happen and it makes it still like it still warms my heart to this day and like you know so when you when you ask like if I was screaming, a lot of the screaming that I was doing was like

in the crowd or like in the mezzanine or like watching the guys play. It was a close game. And then like every time they would win, I would feel like this, this like relief because I knew that all those thousands of people that bought those tickets get to see another match.

They get to watch their players play another match. another match and they get to root for them and they get to have a good time. And I just, all I wanted was everyone that bought a ticket, especially the people that bought tickets but weren't allowed in the showroom. They only bought tickets for the festival. I just wanted everyone to have a good time. And I think we did our damnness to accomplish that.

I think y'all, whoever you and everyone else involved, yeah, y'all did your fucking thing with that. the fans got their money's worth. That was, that's a fucking event. That was a fucking event right there. I don't know if anyone's gonna, like, I don't go to other, like, I'm not going to fucking Minnithota Rocker major.

Like, what is that? Is that even like, I mean, maybe they'll step it up this year. Like, we, we stepped it up this year, but it's like, are those events even? First off, I want to shout out to the optic fans. in like the front rows that turn the fuck up. They turn out. Because what I don't, not what I don't like, but it's more so what I do like is people turning up at a,

it's like you don't want to go to a dance and people are just kind of, like I don't like going to like a club and everyone's just standing around with their drinks. Yeah, they have a lot of fun. Jilling. Like they, they have fun. They turn up. They create their own fun. Fucking making dance circles.

they're not like no one's it's not like that like oh we're cool yeah i hate the i hate the people that are just trying to like be cool and chill and shit yeah it just seems like they they turn up they they support they don't care what people are gonna say to them like that kid that guy was dancing to like i just want to rock like that that was like one of the because like i'm super involved in like the in between map two and three and before map five like that's when like tST we go out there and we do something with the crowd or like we mess And that was in the middle of an optics series. And so, you know, the production or whatever is in my ear.

And they're like, so what do you want to do before Matt, you know, in this next break? And we're up to O. And I'm like, I don't want to go out there and do a trivia with the crowd. When we're up to, let's just keep the energy high. I was like, just play bangers. Like, just play songs that are fun to listen to. So they played We Ready and then they played just want to rock and then and so and so everybody and they cranked it. So like people are just like vibe and it's like it's like everyone's happy.

We're up too. We're at this major. We're off work or we get to watch our favorite, you know, like video game players play. And so they just started viving and having a good time. And like I think that was like I thought it was incredible. And then like people clip it and then they put it on internet and people talk shit. And it's like fuck those people. What are they doing?

They're sitting at home behind their... We're... They're 2004 Dell computers and just like, dude, I don't like this. I bet every single person you saw in that clip had a funner weekend than you had. Yeah, that's good. Ain't nothing worse than someone who makes fun of someone... Say someone's dancing and they're bad. Like, someone who makes fun of that person dancing, feeling good.

Yeah. It's like, dude, you can't hate on... Let the... Let the motherfucker have fun. Like this is what this is literally what it's fucking about. Love seeing that. Dan Ghostie. What a crazy month.

Proud of the, proud of the kid, man. What do you, what was it? What do you think is harder? I think Crim Six. Crim Six said Ghostly joining Optic and being able to play at home helped him. or just joining Optic playing at home

and having the possibility of doing bad hurt. Like what outweighs? Do you know what I'm trying to say? Like, what outweighs what? I've heard pro players say that the crowd doesn't matter. That the crowd... I've heard pro players...

I would say the crowd doesn't matter. You would? If your optic, see, the thing is like... I've heard that it'll make the home team team play better, but it won't make the away team play worse. No. It's not going to make the away team play worse. It don't make the home team play back.

When you're, I never got to sit on a stage like that. But it's like when you're up there, bro, I remember that the biggest crowd I ever saw was Pax because we tied four times. Yeah. And so like I'm playing. I'm fucking pissed off. We're tying. It's up, down full of emotions.

You're just locked into the game. You just keep telling yourself like, just focus. focus on the game. You're not even, you're not fucking thinking about anything. Then after the series is over, I stand up the end, not the entire PACs,

but it seems like the entire PACs venue was standing there. I was just like, damn, what the fuck? So it's like, no, players, the crowd does not affect other players.

The, I would say the only pressure is on the home team. But when you do get that, like, there's been moments where you can tell what's on your screen. You'll hear,

oh, after you just get the kill and it's like that sort of makes I think that does help it's hard to say it makes you play better like what does it really do but it does add maybe a little bit of confidence

to like play it kind of reminds you like let me keep playing like this yeah is it that big of an advantage no I would say but to get back to my point with go see I would almost argue

it was we know how the optic haters like maybe some are fans but to join optic and underperform that is a lot of fucking pressure especially you're you're replacing a world champion and to be replacing scump well that is and he's replacing illy

which is still still a world champion but either way you join Ily, scump, they're out and it's just like that's I feel like I would feel that pressure more

because you know a bad game out of you, you are getting fucking blamed. And I saw some games I saw they did compare his challengers KD which is like a 1.3 and then like he joins this it's like a point nine or something like a completely different role

I think he's playing a completely different role but to like be playing a completely different role because And he would still turn up Yeah he was still doing his thing That's why I'm proud of him made a losers run You hear him in his comms and he's He's directing yeah He's directing shotsy dashy and hook

I saw a picture of I saw maybe it was just like a live stream But I was like watching the rebroadcast for like a series I miss The camera's like It's like ghosty Shotsy Dashy hook. The camera's on this side. And I just

pause. And it's just ghosty. Like I said, Shotsy dashy hoot. I'm like, this motherfucker. It's crazy. I'm telling you.

It's ghosty. At his first, at his first, like, not event, but you can take CDL major, whatever the fuck.

It's his first CDL event. Yeah, first CDL event. And he's just, like, what a feeling that is. You'd, to your left.

You were playing challengers with Doug Sensor Martin not too long ago, right? Yeah. And in the Boston, the thing with the Boston major is it's in a side room. No, I didn't even know, I'm talking about the challengers. I didn't even know where the challengers event was.

I was at the Boston Major. I didn't see a challengers player that I didn't know where the fuck they were competing. So he was in a different room and almost like forgotten about the challengers scene something. sometimes is. And now, fast forward. To go literally teleport from that to just, I just stop the fucking camera. It's just this. It had to see, ghosty, shots. It had to be the most people at a CDL

major. Maybe not champs. Yeah. But see a CDL major, it had to be the most people by far. But that is, it's a lot. It is not easy. If I go play with formal, lucid and trippy, you know, hard it is to get kills with them. Yeah. Like it just, it complete, I can only imagine in Cod with probably like the two

biggest slayers or one of the two big, with dashy and Shotsy. Those motherfuckers are just getting every kill. The way our team The pressure, he, uh, go see to this thing. The thing is like, I'm fucking knew it. Like every, I feel

like a lot of, there were a lot of haters out there. but like how this team dynamic is is so crazy you got one of the you got a player that plays very not he plays methodical and he doesn't miss ever very royal twoish which is Bruce and then you have Shotsy and Hook that are like two

point guards running around the map and always in each always in people's faces if they're on they're unbelievable Like, do you see the cast them. I could do some coaching though. Do you see the, what?

I could coach them a little bit. There is, there is certain. Do you know what I'm? Are you talking about like overheating? Yeah. Yeah, of course. But. Because that team is an overheat team.

Of course they are. But do you get that bluesers bracket run if they're not, if they don't play like that? I think they get the win if they match. they master it's like obviously everyone's still got something to work on no one's fucking perfect but it's like they there's still room to improvement

because we see the mistakes 100% there is we see the mistakes at crucial moments we see them we see one of them getting a two piece but he's no shields and instead of just fucking proning on the ground sit unplug your controller real quick and just sit there get your help back and not jump out for that three people piece. Little moments like that.

I think I saw like, I mean, I guess everyone was commenting or yeah, commenting about it. Fucking Crim6 was mentioning something about it. Like that was I mean, probably all three of Dashie. I don't know about

ghosty, but I think Dashie who in Shotsie all kind of do that because they've always been the player that can do that. When formal, when I'm team, when I was team with formal and he's sniping people, I I don't, I have no say in what he does with that sniper. If he wants to push up and go for that no scope, he does.

But there is a time where, and I think formal has truly mastered this to not go for that. Yeah. Not go for that. To stay alive. And I think that is, that is formal has mastered that. I think formal is taught and brought that to the optic team to, and I saw some clip about it. kind of gave me not goosebumps, but he was just like,

it was probably something from the process. We're foremost like talking to his team outside, smoking a sick or something. And he was just like, we have, all we have to do, we get this lead, just don't scam.

Don't get, he didn't specifically say like, don't get the two piece and go for the third. Like, don't you know exactly how you should play and just don't make these scammy plays. And if we don't make these, it's just like,

wow, there was nothing they could do. Like we didn't throw our lives away. Like we had the advantage. We were up. And I think that's optics sort of next step to obviously, maniac, you're fucking bad. How are you even mentioning anything of how they should play?

But I think that's true. I think that's their next step to, they're too good to not win, I think. And I think this is their, you look at fucking Toronto. though. I saw Hixie. I saw Hixie in a fight and he was behind a pillar. He sat there for three seconds. Didn't it move? Maybe did a little wiggle to fuck with you. Any other players jumping out and just like, fuck it. They're in that situation. You jump out and you try to win that fight. Hixie just

stood there. Steemey cleans him up. And he did that like two or three times in a row and I was just like, this is why Hixie's here. And this is why they, this is why they, they probably won the event. In the last flight cast, I think, I think Trippi said it. It's like if you play smart, pros will notice more than if you play Reckless. Yeah. It's like smart. Playing smart is, it's going to be crazy to see like where Eastport evolves too. Because the smarter you play, like, it used to be like you hit your shots, you went.

And now it's like, and then it was like you hit your shots and then you have one player on your team that is smart. but he doesn't hit his shots and y'all will win. And now everybody's got to be smart and you gotta hit his shots. Everyone's got to be a fucking god and playing perfect Hela. Shouts out to ghosty man.

Shouts out to ghosty. Shouts out to Optic. Shouts out to Greenwall. Shouts out to little Wayne. Shouts out to not taking Adderall. Thank you guys so much for watching. We went 40. The episode of the... That's piss.

Yeah, I know. We'll see you next time. That was like 498. Thank you guys so much for a little. Bye Craig. Beow, beo, beo, boo, boo, boo, boo, I just want to wrap.