The Flycast - BigTymer’s Thoughts on Scump Retiring | The Flycast Ep. 62

Episode Date: January 28, 2023

BigTymer’s Thoughts on Scump Retiring | The Flycast Ep. 62

Before we get into this flycast, we've said it a few times. We teased a little bit, but we do have a title sponsor coming on board for the flycast. It has been sold, and Nick and I are now going to make hundreds of millions of dollars. Finally rich. Yeah, it's it's quarter Roy. Quarter Roy, yes, they're back and they're bringing some beanbags. They're hooking the flycast up. So right now, this is our set, but soon there will be beanbags galore.

and it would be the most comfortable podcast set on YouTube. So thank you, I guess, before this all starts, thank you first and foremost to Corderoy for making this happen. Now, let's get into the podcast. I think Matt had the boom like. It was funny. Rod was there to film for the skump, retirement, last dance documentary that is now chalked because he retired early.

Oh, shit. That's why he was there. bro i couldn't believe that when he sent that tech we were in st louis we were about to drive back the next day i was like what do you mean early retirement video i was like what are you talking about and then i saw it and i was like whoa yeah i found out through that i found out through that same text i was just sitting there with my girl and then he sends us a tax or sends that tax and i'm like damn yeah was it that like spur of the moment i still haven't talked to him since then i see him on Saturday, but...

Well, apparently, I don't know if... I mean, I guess it's fine to say it. Apparently, he knew around... You didn't go to the hockey shoot. No, you were not. No, no, no. Apparently around then is when he knew. Sorry, it had been like,

welcome back to the Flycast, this episode 7,000. Hey, we got a special guest today. We have a special guest today. We've had formal before, but no one gives it shit. Oh, he was the first one? Yeah. I mean, we don't... Somehow, we managed to pull these out of our ass.

Yeah. Because I don't know if you're like me with podcasts, but it's like when you do a podcast with the same people you see all the time and talk to all the time, it's like, dude, what are we supposed, like,

what the fuck are we going to talk about? Unless like something crazy is happening or scumps retiring or something. It's like, what are we going to talk about for it? You figure it out though. I realized like people don't care. And I realize because I don't care. Like I'll watch,

especially on YouTube videos. I'll watch like Jebs videos. Yeah. I really don't care what he does. I don't care what he talks about. Like, I just watch the video for the... That's so much...

That is the goal. That's so much more comfortable for me. When I'm on stream, I'm a fucking freak. Like, the way I act is I'm obnoxious, I'm loud. But then it's like,

when that stops and it's like actually like a quiet setting. Don't have my headphones in. It's just like three cameras. It's just... I don't know. Sometimes I feel like I just can't get out of my head. I do feel like the goal of doing YouTube,

which is something that I never was able to achieve. Maybe back in my vlog days or maybe you and your vlog days, it's just like whatever, people come back because whatever you put out, they're just, they're down for whatever. And you were, like it's just something about the vibe.

Like, yeah, like you were able to do that in the scuff house. It's just like you were playing, you were uploading and you were on your T. Martin shit for there for a little bit. Yeah. uploading like a couple times a day. I guess it was similar.

Yeah. Playing whatever you wanted and they would always watch. Right. And it was hard for me to understand at the time why. because I was like, this shit is awful. Like I can't imagine. Why did you choose that route? On YouTube?

Yeah. I can't be consistent. Because I don't think with without, when you're not doing it for YouTube, you're not sitting in your place just casually playing those like. Hell no. Even today when I play Warzone, I've been uploading Warzone for the past couple of weeks. I've actually been playing it a little bit more just to practice and get better for the videos. But most of the time, it's just to record.

and then I'm off. Why did you do that? Why did you choose that route? It was the only way I could be consistent. Like I realized that consistency was actually the most important thing. And y'all, I mean, I've watched the fly guys. Y'all have talked about it.

You like, you start trying to vlog or, like, come up with some sort of creative thing. And it'd be good for, like, a week or two weeks. Like, I could come up with enough video. Yes. And then the topics die off. And, like, I run out of notes on my note, and then it's like, oh shit.

And then I got to think. And actually, I think I came to the realization recently. I saw somebody, somebody posted a video. It said why gaming creators are struggling on YouTube. Because I guess everybody, not everybody, but a lot of people are struggling. And he talked about the difference. He said most people don't want to be content creators. They just want to play games for money.

And I realized that I'm that guy. You're that guy? Like I really, like some people wake up and they want to figure out like how to, you know, shoot the best of it, how to entertain. Mr. Bees doesn't care about shit besides making the best video. He is a content created. I feel like I'm the opposite of what you guys are saying.

Yeah. Which is like I, I feel like you're a real content. I don't like to. I like damn near don't like playing games anymore. Yeah. It drives like the people around me kind of crazy. Like,

because a lot of optic content is based around gaming. And TST was created to be a gaming stream team. Yeah. So whenever I'm like, like, you know, if I'm going half ass all the time, just because I'm talking to chat, dancing and like doing whatever I can possible to just like entertain. Yeah. Like it's just kind of like, Blake and George were like, well, we've lost seven games straight because. And you're not trying.

And you're not like it's not the fucking point. Exactly. Like sing the song, motherfucker. Sing. Dance, monkey dance. Rap with me. Yeah. I tell Alex all the time, like, I'm tired of the clown nose.

I don't want to put on the fucking clown nose anymore. But, like, I went through the period where I did want to do that. And I think the realization and, like, the acceptance that I don't have to put on the clown nose anymore. If I don't want to. Every once in a while, I'll get in the mood and, like, I'll want to do it. But, like, coming to the realization that I didn't want to do that anymore was so freeing. And I was like, you know what? I don't care what the fucking views are.

I don't care what people say. I know I can be consistent. I'm just going to put this out. And if people watch it, great. if they don't fuck them. Yeah. And that was it. And then I was like, wow, people actually watch just because of me.

But I think because I felt like that, like that energy comes off and I get it watching Jeb's videos. It's got to feel freeing as well knowing you have your own avenue. Like you got your whole other thing going on now. Yeah. It's not like, you know, the 60, 50 days or the scuff house days where it's like you, this is your job. Right. Content creation.

Right. You got your own thing. And so you can do pretty much what you want to do over here. within that avenue. Right. But then you realize, like, if you don't want to do that, you really don't have to do it. It's not the end of the world to not want to do that. Yeah.

Yeah, I've been so much happier since coming to that conclusion. And, you know, I mean, it comes with its downsides, too. I upload videos now they get, you know, fourth or fifth of the views that it, because I've, you know, taken huge breaks. Like, I think 2021 to 2022. Yeah, the whole year of 2021, I was focused. Like, you all know, the stock market was going crazy. trading but I loved it every day and I took like a full year off of YouTube after I've taken

probably like three year long breaks but like I just don't but people whenever you come back people are like Will's back let's let's let's let's let's get these this three months yeah yeah you leave a little but also it's like if you leave a little bit and then come back you get that like everyone's so hype that you're back for like one video for one video And then the next one dies. And then you're like, up, time for another break. This is my new set here. This is my new level.

Yeah, that's how it works. Why do you? Because one reason I wanted to have you here. I've been saying this for months weeks or months to try to get you on here. But like you have other shit that you, first off, I want to know a day in the life of from when you wake up to go to sleep. But like you have other shit that you, like you don't have. Married man. Our first married man.

You don't. Things change. Things have changed. Yes, they have. What, uh, yeah, you don't have to do the gaming shit anymore. No. Why? I guess like, why do you, why do you do it?

I mean, I feel, I feel some sort of obligation to do it just because of like. It's in your blood. Yeah. And you're, like, it's kind of my thing. Like, I've gone back and forth of one, like the conversation with. at earlier like or I don't have to be that guy and then I'll think that way for a little bit but then that voice in the back of my head goes like but you were a professional call of duty but like that's kind of your fucking deal like that's kind of who you like your identity in a sense

so I do it for that reason also because of what I do in trading stocks people don't realize that like you can make a lot of money trading and I make way more trading than I make from YouTube like financially it doesn't make sense to do YouTube but you can only do that if you have something like to fall back on in a sense because when you're trading it's like you're all just you're trading based on like probabilities and if I'm thinking about like I have to nail this next trade to make my rent or my mortgage or something you don't do it the right way you start like doing the thing for money instead of doing the thing correctly and so just knowing that there's something else to fall back on actually helps my mindset to trade better.

So there's, you know, that makes sense. A few reasons to do it. But, you know, I've definitely slowed, I've definitely slowed down a little bit. Although I did play the game I've like actually had fun playing. I was grounded the survival game. Yeah. Where you're like big ants and stuff. Yes, where you're like the little shrink.

It's, fuck it. It's so fun. It doesn't get that many views. And like I've talked about it on my war zone videos of like how the click through rate on those videos is terrible and it's hurting all the other videos but it's like genuinely fucking so fun and i had no idea the game was that deep i've played it i probably posted 22 23 videos and i may be like halfway through the game yeah so why'd you choose um like these random little games instead of did you did you ever try to be like do like war zone

or like since call duty is obviously your thing did you ever try to just like a hundred percent do that that's what i'm trying to do right now oh really yeah you got to get in with bows nade and Scump. I know. He texted me yesterday. I had a couple one-on-ones I was doing with people. But yeah, I got to, I got to start playing a little more.

Yeah, that's what I've been trying to tell people is like, I started, it really started with the H-1Z1 videos. It started as like a financial thing. That's the game, right? There's like chunks of my life that I remember. And a lot of it, most of it's so opposite of normal people.

Most of it's a blur. But then there's like these, Little marks of like Halo 2, Halo 3. Yeah. A lot of it, or everything has to do with gaming, it's been my old life. But like the H1Z era was so fun. Four-night era. All right.

So what was, what's the day to day? When you wake up, what do you do? I wake up at like seven. Alarm? Or it's just... No, it's just natural. You're just getting old. I still sleep a lot.

Like, I go to bed at like 8.30. Probably asleep by 9.30. So waking up at 7. start streaming. That's when I start streaming. That's wild. I'm lights out. I'm in the same way. No big time. TSTs anytime soon. All right. Keep going. I'll lay in bed for like 30 minutes. Typically I get to my desk to start like in the pre-market market. Market opens at 830 yard time. So I get to the desk by 7.30. Obviously I run like the Green Wall Street Discord. So at 8 o'clock, I do like a 10, 15 minute live stream where we're kind of like talking about the stocks we're going to trade. And this is kind of my plan going to do. for a little bit.

Yeah. Oh yeah. How many people join those daily? I don't know, to be honest. You can't tell. You can, but it's like Discord only shows a certain amount. There's probably, I don't know. There's way more people in the Discord than there is people that wake up an hour before the market.

I can imagine. I can imagine. So the people that are serious about it join up. But we do that. And then I'm typically trading until like 11 or 12, get off, make lunch. There's like another kind of spurt towards the close of. the market which closes at three so about one to three I'm trading again after that I've been trying to hit the gym I don't know if you could tell but I could tell I'm hitting a little bit um so I go to the

gym come back I'll make like a war zone video and then by then it's five six o'clock I like cooking too so I'll make dinner we'll eat then it's 730 I got like 30 minutes for it's time for bed and then I'm fucking is this the same schedule every day like is your routine and the trading's I'm so routine based, bro. Like, I'm boring as fuck. I watched the last flycast just so I could catch up on, like, what y'all we're talking about. I'm so fucking boring. Like, I want a vlog that I literally do that every day with no, like, there might be, I mean,

sometimes I'll come in to do content and stuff, but like, I'm so routine based. And like, when it's working and I just like, I get that momentum, I just stay in. And I can just lose myself for like, damn, six months went by and I just did the same thing every day. Yeah, yeah. But there's something, there's something fun about that. that, especially when it's moment. Like, you don't notice that it's routine whenever the momentum is climbing. No.

Like, that's the thing with, with vlogging. I always go back. I mean, even though my vlogging, in reality, my vlogging stint was like eight months. It seems so long. But it's, no, it was like a year. I would think you vlog for four years. Max a year. For sure.

Max a year. This is what I'm saying. Like, like, when I started at the end of 60, 50, 50. See, I never even lived in 60, 50. that's what I'm saying He was He was there He was there sleeping there

But he never moved in There's a weird anomaly Orr around me Where people think that I was there From the get And they think that My vlogs were getting 150K

My vlogs were getting 30K views Every day for like Nine months And like I did It was really only nine months It was

When I was daily vlogging In the scuff house It was like I would take Mondays off because I would I would work on vision yeah and then you know vlog six days a week and that was only for like I honestly it might not even been that it might have been like six to nine months something like that and then I would take breaks I would come back and then yada yada but like but that routine it didn't even it was so I kind of related to like how pro like

how pro players talk about like the new the new people how like the new up and coming pros they can't keep up with them because their passion's not there. Like, like you look at like Seth, Seth is retiring because he's, you know, he's, he's got fucking bills.

He built a house. He's just got an engagement ring, planning a wedding. He's got all these things. And then there's a 17 year old coming up and all that dude cares about. Oh, yeah. He's playing.

And he doesn't think about it. And he doesn't think about playing. He just does, and that was me with vlogging. I didn't care about anything. I had, I was, I was single.

I had moved. away from my house. I was living in a group, I was living in a house with nine dudes and all we were doing was playing games and making content. Dog, it was just like, it was routine and it was, it felt so natural. People will come in my stream or something. They're like, you got to bring the vlogs back. And I'm like, if you saw my day to day, like, there is literally nothing. I don't really, well, I know how Hex does it, but I was going to say, I don't even know how Hex gets like vlogs up nowadays, but. Well, Hex does shit. Yeah. And it's like interesting because it's like what does hexes in all these videos.

He's somehow running optic. And as much as it is interesting. Like what the fuck is he doing? As much as Hex doesn't want to admit it. He is a CEO and then a content creator. He wants to be a content creator first and then everything else is the back. But like when you're the CEO of the one, a top three gaming organization ever. Yeah.

And you vlog. That's interesting. For sure. People want to know what the CEO does. And the fact that he is so personal and hangs out with all of us, whereas like other CEOs of other esports organizations, you don't even know where they are. Hexas always wanted to be a content creator too. I mean, he talks about it all the time. He's like, I wish I could just quit everything.

He's the only 49 year old that wants to be a content creator. I don't think that's true. I don't think that's true. Who, I mean, I mean, how old is Casey Neist? Yeah. Jason Isstead changed everything. And he was like 36 at the time. Yeah. Like, I don't think, I don't think content creation has an age. I think maybe professional gaming has an age.

A content creation dog, in our generation, we're going to go, it's just kind of how rappers are now. Rappers rap until they're 60. Yeah. Like, you never get too old to rap. I used to think there would be an age to it because you think like when you're coming up, you're like, how long will this last? And the longer that I stick around and like see people, obviously, you know, a lot of people do fall off. And there's, you know, a lot of people do fall off. And there's. you know, probably like, I don't know, correlation. It's like 10, 15 years it starts to get like kind of old. But yeah, I feel like as long as you can mix it up a little bit, you probably really could. Like I'm about to be 32 and I'm thinking, could I stretch this shit 30 more years, 40 more years?

You probably came. Like, not just content, but just like. I'm stuck right now at 31. I'm like, I mean, I haven't uploaded and Lord knows how long, but it's like I'll do the optic content. I try to stream every morning But then it's like I mean I have this whole

You're back in the gym And I have this whole fantasy Since 15 years ago That I'm gonna be shredded And I'm gonna be this like And then nowadays on like TikTok All you see is like fitness influencers And everyone's doing that

And it's like I still have in this In my head In my head that I'm gonna get shredded And it's gonna fucking happen I swear It really wouldn't take you that long. Next week I'm getting my Dexas scan, which measures your like muscle mass, body fat, all this shit. And then like once that starts, I'm going to do 60 days, workout twice a day and eat perfect.

And it's going to be, I want it to be, the goal is it for it to be this like viral video that like I'll be going through YouTube and I'll see some crazy transformation or something. And then you just see you on the thumbnail. It's this great, this fat. before fat chubby before then you just shredded after that's like the only thing I can see myself

kind of diving into is like the fitness world right now I don't know I don't know maybe I just like lost my passion for video I don't I feel like I don't really know

it's okay to say it bro like I can tell you don't want to say it I think I've said it a lot on here that it's like I have no interest been playing video games. It's okay.

I don't either for the most part. Sometimes I will get into it on stream, but I will never, I don't know, what is it? And I used to blame the Adderall because once you start playing on Adderall and stop playing without Adderall,

it's like, you don't want to touch a video game. But I don't know, I'm just stuck in this thing. First of all, games are like, for sure, definitively worse than they used to be. Like games used to be better.

But is that, bro, I don't know. Besides the Eldon Ring. Imagine you're 11 and Fortnite comes out. But that, That, you got to think, Fortnite came out in 2018. That's five years ago. Yeah.

I would actually consider Fortnite like part of the, a classic game. Yeah, like a good one. It's already a classic game. Yeah. Like games nowadays and people, people ragged on Wildcat a lot for saying this, but games are algorithms now.

And he said, he tweeted like, games are just algorithms now. Because the same way that people view YouTube, it's click through rate, retention rate. Yeah. It's how fast you can get to the store.

and buy all the little things. That's all that companies care about. Like developers and shit. Every game has a fucking battle pass. Every game has microtransactions. Every game is once you click play game, they want to do everything you can. They can in their power to make sure you don't hit exit.

Right. And that does not necessarily correlate to make a good game. No. So I completely, it seems like every game took what like mobile games did. And now they've brought it to AAA development. That's kind of what it seems like to me. Is our video games truly not as good? I mean,

I mean, like, HAL-3. I know, but it's like I was also, how old was that when I came? You were, but I was in that prime of loving a game. Think about the Halo 3 rank system. And the Halo 2, especially the Halo 2 range system.

I got a headache, all right. We talk about this too much. We literally talk about this too. I don't want every flight out of it. Yeah, yeah, it's just like, but, but I'm glad. you said it because no I agree man like you go back and look I saw a video people rag on like I mean I see like the call of duty tier list black ops one always ends up at the bottom dude I saw

a video recommended to me the other day of black ops one somebody was playing like summit domination it was so simple so and so clean and like just you could tell just by spawning in the map that everything was fluid and like the shots were all hitting and it wasn't complex for the sake of just being complex. Like it was just, it was a really good looking game. And that was like one of the the ones that gets ragged on.

There were games that were better than that. Like, games are 100%. I rag on Black Ops 1 a lot. Like, just because at the time, I grew up in a time where like, Black Ops 1,

you know, we get MonoF or 2, we get Cod 4. And then we get Black Ops 1 and it's just like, it was the worst out of those. Shit, like it wasn't. It wasn't even close. But then you see like what happened.

What happens now in games, especially in this new era. It's just like 19 attachments per gun. And like, what do you do to get this attachment? Oh, if you want to unlock it, go to our store and buy this gun. It already has the blueprint where all this. Is that a part of it? Like buying it, buying attachments in the store and. You can buy a gun that has the attachments already unlocked instead of,

unlocking the attachments itself and then like it's like the YouTube I feel like the YouTube meta and the gaming like the the media meta for for Call of Duty specifically went from like having fun playing games to like now it's all about what you tune your weapon to in order to what attachment you put on your gun in order to and it's just like dude there's I don't think there's been a game like I'm I don't know if there's like a storyline in Call of Duty because every call of duties different based on like something else yeah uh but there hasn't been like i i'll scroll through my youtube and i'll see random people shitting on three four three about like how they killed halo but there is nothing that has a halo type story like no one's buying no one's no one really

gives a fuck about like the storyline or the like i don't know does that exist or am i just like old but there's like there's people out there that do halo lore and like like like like The HALA storyline is, it's just so confusing. At this point, I can't even, I can't remember if it's HALO or Pokemon, but one of them has parallel universes. And I don't know which one it is, but it's like very confusing. But like, Halo lore is like still really cared about. There's just nothing. There's nothing like that anymore.

I will say Eldon Ring, if you haven't played it. Like, if you really want to like dive into a game. I've just never been into. I know. Well, I have to, I've always been a multi. It's maybe the best game of ever play. Really? Yeah, 100%.

Better than the last of us. It immediately went like right there with the last of us. Maybe better. I played probably 200 hours. My stream will tell me to play it. And I'm like, why? So I can see the viewers cutting to a sixth.

I mean, it is true. Like, I'm not going to really enjoy this. Yeah. I don't know. I mean, if you don't like those type of games,

you might not like it. That's the hard part of gaming is like, I can't play a story game that I, on stream that I can't finish in a day. Right. And every story game nowadays is like 70 hours long. Yeah. For a viewer, it's too, it's too high of a commitment.

I talked about this in one of my Warzone videos, but I feel like the reason why the Warzone videos get more views is because it's low commitment. Like, you don't have to watch the previous 10 to understand what's going on in this one. But if I play like a survival series or a story game and I'm on episode 19, people see it. And they're like, well, I'm not watching 18 fucking 40 minute videos of this. So I'm not going to click on this one. So you definitely, like, if you try to post that stuff, it's going to get less views just. by default, but that's why like the only way to stream it,

it seems like the only way to make content nowadays, besides people that still do let's plays, because they still crush, somehow they found some sort of loophole. Yeah, what's a let's play? Like, kind of what Will does, which is like he, I'm assuming you record for two hours at a time and that's four videos. If I was smart, I would do that,

but no, I typically just do it once and then I'm off. But like people that stream game, like right now Jack's, Jack's doing one. I've seen Ludwig do it. Doc did it not that long ago with The Last of Us. They make it a series. So they will like promote it and then say,

Doc especially said, I'm playing Last of Us on Thursday. Yeah. And it will be finished by Saturday. Like it would, you know what I mean? Like, and so that's all they do because the viewers are 100% going down.

Yeah. But if you take a break, you can't ever go back because then the viewers will go into a fourth or a sixth. Right. Or a 10th. of what they usually are because now you've taken such a big break in between playing it. And that's why part of me is just like, dude, I miss like gaming just to have fun. Yeah.

A while ago I bought, I bought Horizon. Do you ever play Horizon Zero Dawn? I've heard of it, but I never played it. Amazing game. What was it about? What was it about? What was it about? I think, if I remember correctly, post-apocalyptic, but like all the,

oh yeah, post-pacalyptic, the world basically ended and then re and the humanity came back. but it ended because of like robots and stuff so all of but the robots like basically figured out how to mimic society so all the bad guys are like huge animals that are all robotic so there's like a robotic T-REC thing because they learn from human history right it's really really interesting but it's very fluid and very good game and in the the sequel came out on PS5 dude it was gorgeous and just playing it and I was sitting there playing it but then like once I put it down like my attention span is so dead now and you can't stream those kind of games no because you won't make any money or you won't get any viewership right

you won't grow at all there's zero reason to play exactly what's your favorite game of all time it might be elden ring though like it's so good is it what what about something like most like from how different like I think the difficulty of the game is really what hooked me it's what's most annoying but I can't tell you the satisfaction there's no other game that I have stood up like with nobody watching and like yelled at the top of my lungs when I beat

a boss because I just failed like 65 times for three days and like it's such a deeper game. You're recording it like a series? No I literally went in my media room and I was like you know what? I'm going to enjoy this shit. I was like I'm not gonna like commentate or talk

like I just did it on the big screen and I just lost myself for like a month and I half or two months you were playing on the big screen oh yeah you pulled the you pulled the old man 52 inch 85 85 85 maybe I do that's the for the media room yeah I like TV you're not living in the apartment anymore are you no no we we built a house and prosper built a house it took like 14 months him how old are you 31? I didn't build it Somebody else built it

Yeah You weren't in there Just I got no clue I feel like Your Big T is the person Everyone aspires to be

They might think that But like My shit is boring bro Like I don't think most people But that's just who I am Like I said It's funny how you were able to navigate Optic

Like Yeah If I always I always think it's an anomaly because when you were playing like I I grew up basically watching that team play yeah was big T good was wild I didn't watch the thing is all I hear is go this go this go the thing is well he's like how you say you were but like he's actually where it's like he would be really bad

online and then he would get to that actually was it but I would just still I used to be great online because we would just host fuck people and they would just let me host and I was on like it's called a ritter internet and so I would just too bar everybody else dude and only online games back then or so monower for three on online yeah i was i was pretty good but yeah well was really good but what i'm saying is the the anomaly is that like it doesn't matter like

like if if you think back in the day if if if if nade shot ever did bad in a map or if if by all means like fucking bo's if bows somehow did bad in a map when he was on the pro team he'd get thrashed they both of them would get thrashed by the object. Has Bose always gotten thrashed?

Yes. Yes. But if Will did bad in the series, they'd be like, that's the goat maze. I never really got cooked like that. I don't know. You never got cooked. And then the same like whatever,

one thing that I love saying is that there was a time. There was a stint in the in the scuff house where Bose, specifically Bose and Nick were getting bombarded. Oh, the scuff house. By optic fans because they weren't. Because they weren't uploading. Oh. And people were like, oh my God, they're just living.

They're just living on this house. Like not doing shit. And then I would check, like being the only staff member, I guess, in the whole house that would like, you know, run like media and stuff. Like, I would look at Will's channel and Will hadn't uploaded in eight months. And I'm like, how is he navigating through? But they're not saying anything. But they're not saying shit to you. It's the best.

It's so good. I don't know, man. It's the goat status, man Same with Damon Like that's why like Damon and David and Will are like You all have a You all have like a parallel in that sense

I feel like it's one of those mob things Just in a good way Like somebody says it And then everybody else just kind of goes along with it And then it just becomes a thing But just I saw the comments for like some podcast And someone was like

Damon barely spoke on this Someone's like shut the fuck up He said he doesn't got to speak to you Like he doesn't got to speak to you And it has like likes and shit. That's so perfect. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. It's very similar.

How did, um, or why? I want to ask about the stock stuff. Why did you, okay, well, let me figure this out. When did you, when were you pro? 2008 to 2013. Wait, where were, where were, 2008? Was that at M-O-Gs? Yes.

Yeah. Damn, y'all were in the corner over there. For one year, yeah. Actually, wait, no, 2008. Well, we started playing online. They did have Cod, but I wasn't there. I went in 2009 and we did, but our finals match went on the main stage.

Oh, shit, really? That was the first time, bro. Puckett was Puckett and Fizz commenting. I remember sitting down. Lights came on similar to this, but it was the first time I had ever felt something like that. And I just remember spawning in on the, backlott.

Backlott S&D was the first mat, and I was just shaking like this the whole time. That's crazy. You think all eight of you guys? were like that? I fucking hope so. I don't know if it was just me. I kind of wonder this because you're very like chill as a person like sort of nonchalantish.

I can't. Did you have moments where you're fucking raging and screaming? I'm weird, bro. Like I was so even keel. I think that's why I'd like trading and why I gravitate. Because I was never like too high or too low. Even recent at the TST thing. I got that four piece.

Dude, that shit was. it was fire like that was maybe one of the best plays ever I was like it might be one of the best like but all I did like while I because I'm so in the zone and while I'm doing it and so like I'll kill two and it'll be dope but like I'm still focusing on getting the third but even after the fourth I'm just like all right next round did that sure and so like the only thing I did was just kind of smiled and I was back in the game so no I never really like never really rage never really got that happy but I think that going back to the trading thing I think that's why I'm pretty successful

about it is because I just I don't let the losses get get to me like the other day on Monday I had the worst right worst loss I've had in the last like six months and the day after had the best day I've had in six months so like the ability to just stay on an even keel and not like fucking freak out yeah I guess a strength been a rager yeah and I don't know why like there's certain times for it though like it helps like having a scump on our team was necessary because he was like raging but also when we were winning he was like fucking you know you need somebody that that's like that but I'm not that I used to I remember as a not even like as a kid when you're 13 14 bro no I used to take my controller by the wire swing that shit around

starts slamming it into the ground as if I have like some other good controller to use same with my headset same and fucking oh do I have a game boy controller or a game cube controller at the at the at the at the headquarters right now that like I don't know how it survived because like I've been playing melee online. Just like off stream. Offstream. It's like it's my favorite game dog. I punched my desk.

Just in the background of, just in the background of formal stream. 30 years old and I punching my desk. Like like it's, you know, and it's just because these guys have been playing for 10 years and I've never, it's my favorite game to watch, but I've never like actually tried to play it.

Dude, it's so frustrating. Everyone is so good. But yeah, I'm not, but other than that like I'm kind of the. same way. Or I'm just kind of, especially over the past three years, my entire competitive brain is just like shut off. I think once I like discovered Minecraft and like how much fun I had on

Minecraft and then play like a few story games and then got really into YouTube, like really into YouTube and into streaming and it's like challenges and challenge videos and like these 100 hour stuff. Like that's like that's where like my whole competitive like mindset gravitated there. Which is still competitive. That's what I was saying, like, why I think it's okay to say that you've lost interest in video games. That's not to say you've lost interest in, like, competing or passion or something. You usually got to find it in something. My competitive side still comes out, and I'm fucking, I say some mean shit.

I'm like, I'm 31 years old streaming right now. Because as fucked up as it is, like, it's always like the people with the worst life saying the worst shit. And it's like, my life's not that bad. And as fucked up as it is, I just, I get angered knowing they're happy. Yeah. When they, like, if they beat me or they, I know like, oh, I'm not met or like, never match this guy, but the second I start up my streams, I'm in all of my matches. I know he's in my fucking chat.

I know he'll teabag me from one of these kids. And you know he's smiling when he does it. And low key, though, is he just sitting there like, got him? Like, just, like it's big T on the other. side like he's not happy at all but in my head it's like he's just having the best day he's so happy he's beating me right now and you just want to ruin him and it just makes me so fucking mad all right um you're pro 2008 2012 2013 the end of 2013 yeah when did you do the stock shit that was the start of 2014 so i think our last tournament it was that philly tournament umd philly i think it was

December of 2013 and then I started I mean I had been like for those last like four or five months like dabbling in the stock market a little bit but it wasn't until the fucking weed the weed stocks went crazy in 2014 that's when I like lost my mind why did you retire partly because of that but it was also I thought I wanted to be a content creator because like at the time this was like right when my videos started getting like, I remember pumping out for like a week or two. So maybe like it wouldn't have continued, but they were getting like 150,000.

Were you big a shit while you were pro? Yeah. So it was like skits and like I really wanted to do content. Like I was thinking of, you know, I was going through like how can I like what's the best intro? Like how can I, what's the hook? Like how am I going to, you know, cut it up? And I was editing it all myself and I was really focused on doing that.

And it started out really good like all the skits. shit and then the stock market shit happened and that just immediately consumed me and like YouTube just went on the back burner and then by the time I tried to come back I realized because I had gone from like such a it was like the house and we were all every day like fucking around and it was fun and then I went into the whole trading thing where I had to be like super analytical and I had to focus and it really took a lot of like thought and I'd be super serious and so trying to come back to YouTube after that. It's not to say like I couldn't goof around and like have fun, but it was so hard to like.

You definitely grew up first. Yeah. You grew up first. Does that like stimulate your competitive side? Oh, yeah. Figuring out this. Oh, it's so competitive. When you realize that you're trading against like other people and it's like like in order for

you to win, someone else. Someone else. I mean, not necessarily, but yeah, for the most part, there's there's winners and losers every day. You're in your PJs trading. Oh, yeah. And you know there's people in suits and office. That's got to feel like that you know that they have scuff controllers and you're beating them with a GameCube controller It's got to feel did you start knowing like you mind? You all you say like the weed stock like did you know something? Did you get lucky at the time you started? Yeah, I got lucky

What what like pulled you into it? We were smoking weed Okay Honestly like we were smoking weed every day. That was when proof lived in the house and like every morning be like 730 hooty hoot hootoo Who do you Dude, I heard that shit. Fucking flame sword would say that shit. That was the bat signal that we were going downstairs. But he would do that.

And I think I was just looking online. And it was either on Twitter or like an article, it said something about like marijuana stocks go crazy. And I was like, I smoke weed. So I started looking into it. And I don't know why. Like I just had some money laying around from tournaments. And it was pretty much, that was my life savings at the time.

And I just threw them in some fucking. penny stocks. I like I it was really lucky because I had no idea like the risk that I was taking. I was buying the shittiest like like looking back you think you were an idiot. Oh yeah 100% I mean I trade almost the exact opposite like when people start they you want to find like something that's super undervalued and you want it to be the home run everybody was trying to figure out like what's going to be the next Uber of weed it's going to be these guys buy their stock for 0.001 cent per share and sell it for a penny. And that's what I was trying to do.

But I realized afterwards that that's just a cycle that happens. And all of those shitty stocks, like shitty stocks are shitty for a reason. They're cheap for a reason. And people love to like buy the lottery ticket. Now I find those same cheap stocks that are up on people's hope. And, you know, they're like, this is going to be the one. Because for whatever reason, people still believe that shit. to this day.

And no matter how many times you've, you know, seen a stock go from like $1 to $10, always comes back to one because it's a terrible company and it was all just a pump and dump scheme. Now I just bet that those stocks will go down. And it's like instead of the 1% being luck, now I'm like, you know, the 99%. I did hit the 1%.

Which is what hooked me. But then it was almost a curse because like when that happens, Caino about to tell you shit. That's true. I was like, I just made so much. Have you said how much you made from that? It got a, it was about a million bucks. But I ended up losing a solid chunk of that thinking that I knew.

You could just do it. Yeah. And so, you know, I had to actually learn, like, after losing a lot for, like, it probably took me about a year of, like, just constantly trying the same thing. And I would put, like, the profits into the next one. And you're like, damn, that one didn't work. What the fuck? And you try it again.

You're like, damn, that one didn't worry. You're like, let me give it a couple of months. And you realize that it never comes back. And then you get exposed. to like what the game really is. So how, so. And you can find, you can find all this information at Greenwash.

Green Wall Street. Yeah. Doing it every day. Yeah. Even though you hit, even though you did hit big, I'm using gambling terms. Even though you did.

It was gambling. Like what I was doing was gambling. Okay. So even though you did hit big. Yeah. You know, you were successful in the, in the like market, then you have to basically learn what you're succeeding in.

Yes. How weird was that? Like were you able to like how did you learn it's so hard because you don't it's the you all have heard of like the Dunning Kruger effect where yes when you first start you like you're at peak you know dumbness for lack of a better word but you think you're the smartest that's the hardest part is coming to the realization that your brain is over here and you think you're really smart and know what you're doing the reality is so far in left field over here that you have no idea and so I spent years

realizing how stupid I actually was. And that was like the humbling thing. And then you eventually come out the other side where you realize, I still don't know much, but like I have a very specific like niche and area in the market. I can't tell you about most shit in the stock market, but I know very small particular situations where I have an advantage. And I just do that every day.

And that's all I know. Did you find a mentor? Did you like read or did you watch the other? I mean, there's all kinds of, like, you know, chat rooms and shit. I tried fucking all of them. Yeah, because I, like, contrary to popular belief, a lot of them are shitty, but I do think that, like, paying for information is so much faster if you can find the right person.

And it was actually, the one I was in the longest, it was from one of the old Halo. Tots. Oh. You know, Tots? Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. What about it?

Wait, what did you go out? You forgot why he was here. How'd you get on an off-dick again? Todd's put me on to He was really smart And now he yeah Well no Tots is smart

But he put me on to a guy He put me onto a guy That had been trading for like 20 years at the time And that kind of exposed me to like the realities And what to focus on But yeah After a certain point you realize that like You have to do it yourself and

You know Come up with your own ideas And really understand it It just takes a long time Was this something you've ran Like you didn't think Whenever you retired Yeah

Were you like Oh I had no idea I got to figure something out Yeah it was gonna be the YouTube thing I was like I'm gonna be a vlog I'm gonna keep doing these skits like my videos are getting 150 200 like I can just scale that His day in the life? I'm not watching this

You gotta watch this shit I think I have watched it You don't like watching your old videos I remember at the time being like This is the future Just because like What is it? jerking off on the game.

He would do the thing where he would cut the, like cut the lights and then you would hear. But like no one was doing shit back then. Like day and the lives back then were like they were, or V logs, what they were called. Like they were like, they were either one person talking to a camera in like a smosh style. Or they would like blah blah blah. And it was just that cut, cut, cut. Or they would be like day in the life's like what like Nate was doing. But there was no like Casey Nice dad.

There was none of that like precedent. No, it didn't exist. sort of edit was just considered like oh my god like this is incredible someone actually put time into their videos I did like a Valentine's Day skit like how to prepare for Valentine's Day or how to not

what like damn I gotta check what to bring to what to bring to your e-sports tournament or something like that yeah like what to bring to your first grade these are the days where I'm living in a one bedroom

or one bedroom apartment that I'm paying $300 a month for and just watching YouTube, watching everything YouTube. That's what I thought I was going to do. But who were you watching the most? Everyone in Optic. And battle wrap.

That's, I mean, that's pretty much. Who was making video? Obviously, like Nate shots, Seth. I would watch Nate Seth and then anyone in the house, I'd watch all of Ashley's videos. I loved watching Ashley's videos and D-Treats. I watched a lot of D-Treats back then, too.

But they were all gameplay. Was this all optic house, footage, early optic house? Or was this like random shit they came up with on their own? Well, I was,

I've been watching, I had been watching, so like, I was an optic fan before Nate joined. So like, I remember, I remember when,

I remember Nate's like joining optic video. I was like, oh my God, like I love the sniping scene and I love Call of Duty competitive. And like, now they have come together in this one video.

That's my favorite player. Was that MW2? Yeah, MW2. Yeah, his, I still remember it. It was like, it's the first time I had ever seen somebody upload a video in like a black magic quality.

Yeah. And I was at Blake's house and I was like, this is the, I can't believe games can look like this. Yeah. He was on like trailer park. It's like some DLC map. And so then from then on,

then I figured out like who all was in Optic, who like on the competitive scene that they brought over because they used to watch all those snipers. But yeah. I mean, enough about that. Yeah, I just started watching, like, anyone who was making content. And so I followed,

so then Nate wasn't on the, he like went in and out of being on the competitive team. He would make his own team. So then I started watching the actual competitive team, but I would still watch all of Nate's videos. And then, so that's how I found Seth. And then I watched pretty, I watched Nate and Seth, like pretty much every day.

That was some OG YouTube shit. That's when YouTube was easy. So easy. Now it's like, If you don't got a production team and like Do you still need that shit? Like I'm thinking like if I do this fitness shit Do I need fucking Charleston with a big ass

Well the thing is is like you have now it's not like Upload schedule and consistency. That's no longer the thing. Kind of need bangers. That was what that was what Whenever we were doing YouTube that was what it was like upload consistency And and like You know just that's pretty much fucking it.

Like you just have to upload consistent. And like Nowadays it's all about it's all about click through rate and the retention and I'll I'll look at some people's videos and the quality and the thumbnail and the camera like it's so good and like kind of entertaining but I don't have like 40k views I look back at some of my videos and I'm like holy shit this was fucking boring it's one of the three like generated thumbnails I'm talking yeah even even some of my maniac boom is where I'd like just make a beat for 30 minutes and then chop it up into 10 minutes like that

those will have like 45k 50k like then this is dude we it's not exist the crazy thing is is you you hit the tail end of it way more than I did I fucking choked you did choked this still brings me stress to this day but like I choked I I hit the very tail end of everything like moving into the scuff house was dope it was like we hit like we got a two million viewed video of like the introduction of scuff house and everything but like that was still the tail end of everything. Like the, the,

the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the,

forest video was right there on the horizon, and then everything changes. You know what I mean? So like, we, I, I was still, I joined Optic and went from,

I think like, what, like 10K Twitter followers to like 90K in a day. Yeah. Like I hit, I hit the, I definitely hit it.

Yeah. But like, two years before, when you guys, were in 60-50 dog Seth was uploading

Seth was uploading twice a day he was uploading no webcam livecoms and they were getting 350,000 views twice a day

that's absurd bro I don't I can't even believe that like used to be a thing it's like mind-blowing even I caught the end well I was sort of in it

but like right when I moved in age shop moved out but like I remember when like Twitter started popping off and shit. And then it's like I don't, I've randomly had and I made an Instagram had like got like 90K viewer or 90K followers. Same on Twitter was like 250K. Now I'm at like 240K. It's been like, this was in like 2016, 2017.

There was just an entire wave. Whenever like the Twitter. Was it just gaming in general? No, it was optic. It was optic. It was. the beginning of, did it have anything to do with the house? Or was it this optic was so popular in call duty then?

Nate talks about it all the time. He thinks he hit a perfect storm. Because like it was to the point where like people were interested in like, what the fuck is this gaming thing? And then there's another parallel line. What the fuck is this? What is this YouTube thing? It was like the first of it.

And then bam, Black Ops 2 comes out. And it's just this beautiful perfect storm. Explosion. And Optic is on the forefront, like the forefront of it. Seth got 100 kills in like a pub match and it got like two million views. Or hex's montage. Hex's shitty montage got six million views. And it's just that perfect storm of like call a duty and then like, holy shit, people can do this.

And then like now you got like, you know, I guess 13 year olds are watching these 19 year olds play. And they're like, what the fuck? I can just watch this. I can watch this guy play. It's just this like perfect. Yeah, that storm's not coming back. Like, that's not something you can like predict or. And it doesn't happen.

That shit does not happen. Like, we made an optic house, people would be like, I don't give a fuck. Exactly. That's why I was, I was terrified whenever, whenever this whole Elon Musk's Twitter thing was happening.

Because like, if Twitter dies, I'm not getting 350 again. I'm not getting 300. I'm not. I would have to start from scratch and do what all these guys are doing. Fuck that. I would just stick to Instagram or YouTube.

I'm not redoing that. Because like that's it's just like we hit it at a at a perfect time like all like if you go and you look at anybody that joined optic those days even if they're not in the scene anymore like will barely tweets he's got like how many you have like 600 K? less than I used to. I know that it's also going down. Will's got like somewhere around there like 600, 500 proofy still has like 500. Even other like J-CAPCAPE maybe I could be wrong with like aches or like the people that were big back then. If you joined off. It was so big for social media.

Dog, it was like a storm. Like, it was, it was just, it was insanity. And like, and I,

I, a lot of people think, like, they'll use the term like ninja, like, let's use ninja or myth as an example. Like, Ninja's not getting 175,000 viewers every time he hits,

go live. No. But that doesn't mean he fell off. Yeah. Like, that means he, I'll see, to reality.

Right. Because like, it was such a perfect, the Fortnite storm was just, so perfect for him. That was probably like the biggest parallel to the start of God was the fortnight thing for sure. Yeah. And it's it's like I'm just like I'm happy to like even have caught like the tail end of it because it was just it was just a wild time. And but the thing with

I think the thing with like the ninja thing a little bit and especially when it got to like among us like because among us hit hit big too. We knew that like the waves are going to pass. Oh yeah. I feel like in optic, like especially in 60, 50 days, we didn't know it was ever going to go down. Right. It just seemed like it was up, up, up, up all the time. And eventually it eventually comes back down. I'm like still stressed and like kind of mad at myself because I'm still involved in this shit. But it's like, damn, if I really would it like, I joined in 2015.

And I was sort of locked in. And I was still like competing and stuff. But I was like making pretty good content. But if I truly just would have like locked in. in, dude, it would have, I could have just clutch so much more. You can still do it though. Like as much as we say that like the perfect storms probably won't happen again, there's like tomorrow's still coming.

Like somebody's, somebody's getting the views. Like it's come. Like people are still going to watch. The thing is, it won't be easy again. Now it's like speed, Aiden Ross. Do you ever see their shit? Yeah. I just, I don't want that shit.

I can't. They are really, really, people will be like, do I don't understand. No people watch this shit. And like, I get it. Oh, I get it. It's pretty, pretty obnoxious, but they are so good at their obnoxiousness. Yeah.

And they're, and. And, let's be real. Like, even though, even though they are popping right now, it's still not easy. Yeah. It's not like the, the, the optic that, if you joined Optic, even though it was hard to join Optic, if you did, it was easy from then on now. You could upload anything. You could upload anything. You could be shit.

You cannot upload shit anymore. more and expect to be big. Those guys are constantly like bringing on like the biggest names. Biggest only fans, girls. Just in order to like maintain. Think about what Kaysen at. Like the other day had like a whole mariachi band in his fucking living room.

I saw him sitting down with like Cinderella's and shit. It's something different every day. And that's streaming. And he's constantly brainstorming trying to figure. I mean, he's probably thinking right now like, fuck. They got whole team. Yeah, they do. What was the early, what was the Optic Out?

Why did the OptiGal start? When did it start? What year was that? And were you the first? June of 2013? I think so. We moved or no, yeah. How old were you?

2013. 21? Damn. 22. Does ever get weird thinking that you moved into a house with like a 16 year old? What? Sorry, because I think, let me explain. Because when I started,

working in in e-sports, I would sit on Skype every night with Aaron create and like make optic intel like graphics. And I didn't think about it until like five years later. I was like Aaron, how old were you?

Like 12? He was like I was 13. I was 22. Damn. It was like 14 or something. Yeah, no. I think about that sometimes. Do you? For sure. And I only say,

that because like you were the oldest I'm assuming in the house I think so yeah did you ever have like a big brother feel about it or no no not really I guess we were all doing the same thing and at that age it's like you're not like I wasn't that much more old's online I'm not fucking I'd like I'll talk shit to him fucking I'm not thinking of them it's like 16 and I'm this older brother living with them though is what I was trying to think yeah no I wasn't that much of an age difference where it was weird but like now it would be for sure what was the what was the Do you remember how the Optic House started? Like, did HECS?

I remember we were in Dallas, actually, at one of the Black Ops One tournaments. And I think HECS was still trying to explain to us what they were doing. Like, he was trying to explain to his YouTube and like the sniping team and what they were doing. And I remember we had a, like a lunch that we went out to as me, Merck. He has me, Merck, Scump, and Natechot and talked about, you know, the possibility of living in a house. but it was just like it wasn't set in stone that we were gonna do it

we just talked about what we would do but we didn't expect it I mean we didn't expect none of this shit we didn't expect it to get big that was that was the weird did you guys go into it like it's gonna be a content house

or not really not until I mean when we we streamed I remember the first time like we just didn't like none of this shit existed so you can't see it it's like that fucking video I uploaded about how you're always at the ceiling.

Yeah. Like, and it was like that, but with YouTube, you can't imagine what's next because what's next doesn't exist. So like, but the first time we saw, I feel like our $1,000 day streaming, like we would stream for 10 hours and we'd like, holy fucking.

Imagine if they were a gifted subs back then? Oh my God. It would have been crazy. Dude. No, that was just with ads. And we were just like, we knew it was going to be a lot of work. But that's when it,

that's when it really became more of a content house versus like let's just be good we knew we had to stay good at the game and do it but we were like holy fuck if i could just stream 10 hours a day i make a thousand dollars this is great like let's just do this as long as human were you guys all teaming it was that the yeah that was like i think that was and then the cod team yep living in that one other like e-sports e-sports e-sports e-org that had done a team house so that's what they like that's what got them in was an envy so it was the north carolina so it wasn't like uh Let's think, because I remember when I moved in, it was like trying to sort of, not necessarily every day, but someone, you'll have to pop in someone's video like almost every day or every other day or something.

Yeah, there was like a little bit more structure. Yeah. You need to do content. Right. Was that just wasn't the case. It wasn't the case at the start. No. They were still like sponsored.

Whenever you all moved in, they were still, they were still sponsored by like Mad Cats. Like it was still, it was still, it was that. early. Like there was no, that's how mad cats. I remember like even when even the tail end of like when I came in, I remember Hector being like, yeah, we're bringing on a sponsor. It's brisk like and I was like the ice tea. And I was mind blown. Cause like it was still just purely not even endemic sponsors, but like like the back alley of end up endemic sponsor. There was no like you're not you're never going to see a Microsoft sponsor or a Sony. It was always going to be like third party controllers or third part. hearty headsets like did you guys use the mad cats control really I was gonna say I hope we don't have a connection with them anymore I can't have was the controllers what were they custom controller yeah custom controller or like imagine icons or imagine customs oh imagine customs yeah I remember that what it is that guy went to my college the guy that started that I remember they hit me out he was like do I go to Arkansas

State too. I was like, fuck. You know what video games are? It's like nobody played. But it was like the sniping team back then would be like optic Team Tage 47 presented by insert here. Something like gamer grip or like something like not

Gamer grip like gamer gloves. Gamer grip is too endemic. I'm talking about like somebody who had a spare 500 bucks that they could give Hector so that Hector could pay rent that month. I would do the fitness thing though. Like, I feel like you would like it.

Yeah. I feel like I need it. Yeah. Like even today I haven't worked out because I had to wake up. I had to run some errands and then wanted to get my stream over before this. But it's like, so I haven't worked out yet. But it's like I genuinely, I don't know if you feel this way. But I just, it like fucks with me mentally if I don't.

Oh, 100%. There's, like, I don't know what the research says, but I'm sure it's out there. I heard in the last podcast you said, you watch Lex Freeman and you watch Andrew Heberman. Yeah. Dude, the neuroscent. Yeah. I mean, he talks a lot about, um, I mean, the dude is always wearing like black long-sleeved shirts, but you can tell him's fucking jacked underneath it and like fully tatted up apparently.

But, um, yeah, there's, there's a connection there. I feel like you just don't as a guy, like, unless you are physically exerted. hurting yourself regularly. I feel like you don't reach your highest, like you don't know what you're capable of physically. And like, I've only been back in the gym for like a month, so I'm still trying to get back what I had.

But just walking around and like feeling your muscles and like your posture gets better and like your hormones get better. And you're like a little bit more aggressive. Like you just feel like you are your highest self. And that like translates into everything else. So I'm fucking. I'm hooked again.

If you're more like confident in yourself, then that translates to everything. I walk around naked now. And I don't even think about it. Yeah. Me too. I don't even think about it. But I don't look good,

but I do it anyway, you know? But at other times in my life, it's like, no, I'll feel even weirdly like insured about my flabby ass cheeks. Like, just no fucking muscle. Yeah. And about the fitness like YouTube thing, too,

the Andrew, Andrew Huberman talks about, I always watch his dopamine things because I'm, what? Andrew Tate fan You don't know Andrew Tate He's in jail For human trafficking

Yeah That guy You're a guy Alleged Alleged Alleged to No Andrew Hubert He talks about dopamine And I didn't realize

I mean I guess I I didn't realize at the time But like he says that dopamine Is actually released In the anticipation Of something And not the getting it And so like

What I've come to the realization Of over the last couple of years It's the it's like setting that crazy goal and then never reaching it that's actually the goal because like once you get there the dopamine fall like everything falls off

like once you once you quote unquote make it it's done dude i feel like i'm so excited to like start it that's it and it's not and the grind and like waking up and having the motivation to just compete at some anything just anything but like you need a purpose and look up and hope that you never reach the mountain top because once you get up there, there's nothing there

and you're just like, oh shit. But like the climb of it and like something to do is. I really need something to chase. Like that's it. I stopped straight. Like last year I kind of fucked off and I was partying and going out around here a lot. And I kind of was bailing content.

I wasn't streaming at all. But then it was like, I was like, all right, I need to get back into this shit. Like focus the fuck up. I'm done like going out all the time. whatever. Then I like start streaming again and it's like a sort of it's like give there's something it's like the dopamine or something. It's like trying to build your stream back to where it was or where you you know it should be. And then I had this like fitness idea and I've kind of been like sort of putting it off

and wanting to do it right. And that's been like two months and I feel like that's really fucking with me that I haven't even started yet. Right. But I just know rate when I actually start like even just I finally called it to get this Texas scan set up. And I was like, I felt good after that. I was like, here we go. I'm starting next week. That's it. And it's like kind of giving me.

You got a little dope out of that. Yeah, I got a little dope out of that. Yeah, I got a little dope every day. And you're going to start waking up and you're going to be like, oh shit, this is it. But like realizing that that's the, like, the wheel of momentum. But if you ever fuck off, and I've been there so many times where I start to fuck off, It's like you throw something in the cog and then it stops and you're like, you got to get it going again.

But once it's going and it's firing and you're like, holy fuck, I love this. And you're just chasing something every day. That's like, for me, that's peak happiness for sure. What's your diet like now? Are you thinking about it? No, I'm thinking about it for sure. So I realize there's only, I do like I read a shitload of all those same people that you watch. I try to recomp right now because there's only.

apparently like three types of people that can get away with eating like in a slight deficit and still gain muscle and it's like people that are really obese people that have never trained before or people that yeah or people that used to train and they just took a long break and now they're getting back into it so I'm trying to eat at maintenance which is about 2,800 calories but I'm doing it without eating anything shitty so I'm just like straight up salmon chicken all the time no like I eat a shitload of food but it's like really low calorie high nutrient dense foods like snacking on pistachios salmon steak chicken vegetables and it takes a lot of fucking food so i'm eating like a shit on every day i've i've

that's what i've been slacking on is my diet and it shows like even yesterday i i ate yeah same wait i want to what i was going to say yesterday i ate like it's kind of clean and i just I felt a little better today. Then just Chipotle. Oh, yeah. Not with like, I got cheese on it, but besides that, it's just rice, veggies, chicken. But like, I'm talking.

And I don't even know what it is why I, I mean, it tastes good, but I'm completely full, but I'll still open a bag of chips. Or like, whatever. What's your, yeah, did you know, are you still vegan? Really?

Did you know that? How long? I'm trying to do it for a year. Damn. That's, dude. That's a long time. I did it for, like, when we first moved here, I think I lasted like 45 days. Really?

Yeah. I was getting Chipotle. I felt great. Like, if I go back and watch my vlogs, like, I am not skinny, but, like, my skin is completely cleared. And, like, I felt good for a while. See, right now, I'm only, I said, I told Nick, I would never talk about it because I don't want to be a vegan in mentality. Yeah. But, like, if somebody asked me, I'll say, yeah, I don't.

right now in January, I just, January is all about survival. So like, I'm still like, I'm not eating great. I'm not eating good at all, actually. It's still, you can still eat unhealthy vegan for sure. You can eat, you can junk food your way to vegan as well. I went vegan for a week and I was shitting myself all day because I'm eating nothing but process. Oh, yeah, yeah. Yeah.

That's up oil. My one thing is like, let it be real. Even if it's bad for me, like, let it be real. real food or even if you overeat let it be yeah like if i'm gonna over eat pistachios like okay i'm still gonna get a ton of like fucking vitamins and shit i've just been like like like Alexis really likes greek food and mexican food so like that's perfect for what i'm trying to do but like having a falafel four times a week is still just fried chickpeas like it's not like great it's fried shit like you know what i mean and it's like it's not good for you but i'm just on january all i care about is

surviving and then like you started january first yeah yeah so i i i started i was i went like vegetarian in december yeah just so easier way into it just so i wouldn't shock my body yeah and then uh yeah i've been vegan ever since january first which has been it's been fun i mean it's been fun it's definitely a it's definitely a a look into a different i never thought i would do this but it's it's fun i'm doing i'm trying to do it for youtube video like a transformation oh okay like a transformed have you started the only have you started the video like yeah yeah I've been like record I like record certain things It's gonna be mainly voiceover like type thing

You gonna do it for a year before you upload the video Yeah then he's in that viral video Well it's gonna get 20k views But at least I did it I don't care about the video I mean I do care about the video but now that's got I'm not Bering on viral possibility I'm not banking on viral A viral video but I just I would like for the rest of my life to be like yeah I tried it Yeah the same way you have your 45 days like you tried it yeah that's just like I just see

Yeah I was even a lot of fucking lentils. Like I'd get Chipotle bowls and just no rice. I'd just get veggies and like guacamole and some of the salsa and then I'd just buy lentils and just throw them in there and eat that every day. There's a lot of green smoothies and yeah. I don't know why I stopped, but I really love steak, bro. Yeah, probably because it's not good. Nothing tastes good. That's probably why you stopped. What's your next thing you said like building towards something is like, is really what. Yeah, like having a goal in a month.

the dopamine? What's that for you right now? I've kind of been struggling on it. I feel like it is still trading just because I haven't really fully reached the pinnacle of that because you can continue to like scale it up to like insane amounts obviously. But other than that, I feel like fitness has helped a lot. Like I probably get most of my dopamine every day from the gym now and doing that. So I'm going to try to get, I'm going to try to get fucking shredded, bro. Hell yeah. Try to get jacked.

I figured it probably take like a year, but I'm at least like a month. Let's fucking do it. It really won't take that long, bro. Like in six months. If you really do it. Like every time you're in the gym, like really focus, progressive overload. Get like. You've seen that the guy that we've talked about a few times, the vlog squad dude who started

his own like fitness thing? The older guy? No, no, no, not the older guy. Well, he did it. But the, what's his name? It's like the Dobrook's, like, friend. Oh, wait, the older guy? No.

Because I just, like, I've seen his thumbnail or some shit. I can't, I can't remember. But remember his assistant? His assistant. Natalie. Natalie, that's her name. She started a fitness. Yeah.

So we started? She did the fitness. This is in six months. Oh, a transformation? That's in six months. That shit is crazy. Yeah. And like I thought that was like a year and a half word.

Look at her face. I feel like there's some solid shit under here. You gotta see this shit. Like look at her face. Like if that's like almost a completely different person. If that can happen. I kind of feel like my face is round right now. Mine's definitely right now.

But I feel like I am too. I just got weighed today. I was 2.14. Okay. And this was in the more. I passed you. Let's fucking go. And this was before like going down.

This was this was on an empty stomach. I didn't I don't even think I drank water. Damn. I'm at least like 2.15. We just released the 100 hours video for that Valerant and a few times I stand up and do this. Yeah.

And I'm like, damn, I've lost some way. Let's go. That's good. That's the stepping stones. I guess last conversation before we wrap this up. Seth retired. Yeah. As a one of the first teammates of Seth, like,

he's a goat, bro. I said it in my Warzone video. I think Seth is, I might be a little biased just because, you know, we teamed for. a while and, you know, obviously really close with him, but yeah, I think he's

the greatest, the greatest to ever do it. Obviously, he still had some in the tank, too, but I don't blame him all. I think he's super within his rights to call it early, given just how we don't even got to get into the new game and, you know, all the support, but yeah,

the greatest to touch the sticks for sure. I just, Seth, there's great players and they can play great, most of the time and I'm like you know top 20 top 30 of all time and then there's like there's players who in the big

moments they always like find a way to take it to another level and Seth was always when we got to the biggest stage in the biggest match you never had to worry about how Seth was going to do or like if he had your back you knew he wasn't

going to carry me but like he was like he was going to step up and take it above a notch of everyone else and all you had to do is like kind of show up and support that and you're going to win so yeah I think he's except EGLA except EGLA I'll never let him live alone in his armor yep dude he just gave up like he wouldn't literally no we don't got I was getting started I was get him we were going to sweep the whole MW3 season man lost the last one point uh we were doing a uh pre-show in Cold War so this is a year and a half ago

and Will gets done you know, when Will's in the when the HQ you're like, you're like, oh shit, Will's here? Like,

hell yeah, let's hang out for a little bit. Do you get sick of that? Sorry. Like, of people being, happy to see you so much. Are you just like,

guys, like, come on. Like, can't you all just hate to see? Like, you walk in, you know, hexes.

Yeah. Running up, running up with it's just, I mean, it's like a, it's what I get for not coming around all of them. It's a rare occurrence. Every day,

then it'd be different. Bad problem to have. anyways um so and usually it's like we get in we talk a little bit beforehand content and then like you know will's got to go make millions trading stocks but this time he like walked over and it looked like you're i mean i could be fan like uh making this a little extra but you uh you walked over and you were watching the boy scrim and i was like damn he's like introspective right now so i walked over i stand behind or beside you and you go can't believe he's still doing this shit bro after so long.

Like I was listening to him call out and he loves it. He loved it. Yeah. It was a year and a half ago. Still playing all throughout Cold War and all Vanguard. I just,

buddy, I was over it at the end of Black Ops too. Started a ghost. I was like, all right, I think I'm done. I cannot believe that he's still in that mode.

I was like, yeah. I think this might be a good stopping point. Yeah. But like, yeah. I mean, it's just he played.

The longevity. was crazy. There was only one, I mean, he started it, he played some MW2. I don't think he was, you know, that was when he was first

coming on to the scene. Black Ops 1, he won some tournaments, I think. That's a long time. I only played one game before he did. Cod 4, that was it.

But yeah, that longevity was nuts, for sure. Yeah, I mean, he's, dude, I mean,

you always think like Clay, Crem, Seth, were like the last survivors. Yeah. Clay's still playing, Clay's still playing. So Clay's still in it.

But like now like now you got to think like Attach. Attach used to be the young kid. And now Attach is older than the whole league. Like he is the grandfather of the league. And it's just it's the weirdest like it's the weirdest thing that just goes to show how long Seth played and how long. You know, he was he was on top. So it's going to be how do you think he's going to do next? He's going to try this whole content creation thing.

I mean he's already killing that shit. How many, how many subs? Like, I don't know, 20K in two days. Oh, that's something like that. Yeah, no, he'll do fine, man. I think he'll actually, you know, do much better content-wise now that he can only focus on that. Yeah. Because what people don't realize, the competitive drive never goes away.

Like, when you play something at the highest level, it's going to translate to something. And if he puts that into content and, like, really falls in love with it, he'll murder it. Funny story already. Today, Seth did a Halo sponsored stream. Him and Hex were playing. Yeah, yeah. I sit down. I didn't even really know they were doing it.

And I, uh, someone said they were doing it. I click on Seth's like Hex and Seth, like both on the same screen doing it together. And Seth's team, he was like playing with fans or whatever. Shitting on Hex 50 to 10. And I like type kind of joke, like my chat's saying like, get in there. And I type joking like, give me in there, Hex, or something like that. And I join. And then like we just start winning every single game because I play every day.

Yeah. So I'm just shitting on all the nobs. And I'll click on Seth stream like afterwards. Just like and you can tell there's some little like and then he's getting pissed. And then uh, well, I think we actually might have lost the first two. But I was it was like some weirdo map playing like pistols and AR. So I'm like dude, I can't carry with this. Then we won the next two.

I click and I hear like says say like all right game five. And I'm like, I'm like, It doesn't go away, I'm like, this is a sponsored stream with Halo brought to you by fucking Adobe or something. Oh,

he's, and then we went, or Hax was like, all right, uh, or no, that was with the FFA, but we won gave five.

I think he was a little, you could just tell when you click on a stream. Like the, the competitiveness is still there. So that's like, all right, let's play an FFA. And Hax was like,

uh, all right, if Nick wins, we got to give him some subs. If, if you win, he'll give you some, subs and tess was like uh you can speak for yourself

and then he was like actually you're all right and then i ended up winning and then he was like i'm a man of my word but it's just like so funny how obviously you just see i just still even a game he doesn't play and it's like i was even saying it's like i i know guys i'm not trying to like ruin this sponsor i don't think i'm cool for doing this but like it was just funny no we did we did a uh a mind Minecraft a Minecraft optic plays stream and Seth was wondering where the bracket was I was like said just played that might be the maddest I've ever seen Seth still to this day is when he lost the the TNT run yeah like one of my most viewed videos or maybe he uploaded it I don't remember but yeah I mean he was

fucking rage it's like a hundred bucks and he's making like a fucking killing by like him forking over the hundred knowing that he lost. I could just see like the soul draining. When I saw scump gifted five subs, I just, five subs. Five subs to set this is maybe a penny to me. He was like 25 bucks.

Dude, I can't believe it. Yeah, no, he's a fucking cheapo, dude. Yeah. So, has anybody interviewed you yet for like process or like talking about sets retirement at all?

No, no, I think that's coming. I think that's coming. So I don't want to steal away that moment. Yeah, yeah, yeah. then put it in the flycast. But, yeah, it's got to be, it's got to be cool.

Like, just from your perspective to be one of his first teammates. Yep. And to still technically be a teammate just in a content sense. And just seeing that entire fucking journey. I mean, think about, think about advanced warfare in comparison to what you started playing. And that's it's almost two different games entirely. Yeah, he played the whole thing. And stayed at the top, the whole time.

For stop. Why I say, I'm not kidding. Like, I think he's the goat, right? I think he's the best to ever do it. Yeah. All right. Did you listen to Johannesburg? Dude, are you serious?

Oh, my God. We have a fly cast album of the week. Okay, we try. What are you listening? How about what? No, we'll just give him Will's album. He gave him an album a month ago and he hasn't listened to it. Not even necessarily. Let's do it on the way home.

Johannesburg. The podcast album of the week. Johannesburg by Mumford and songs. He's been telling me to listen to this, but I keep forgetting. It's a five. Let me tell, let me say it for the seventh week straight. It's a five little EP, five track EP. Mumford and Sons went to South Africa, I believe,

and, like, collabs with some of the artists out there. I mean, like a really cool, made like a really cool, uh, EP. Is it one of these? Mumford and Sons, Spotify? What do you listen into? I've been listening to, um, because whatever that is, that's the album song or artist. Whatever album you tell us is the album.

I've been listening to Accord, A, quite a bit. recently. I don't remember what his last album was. It's been out for probably three or four months, but I just circle back to it and there's like, there's a lot of bangers on there. A lot of good features. Corday, like, that dude can fucking rap. Like, with the best

he's, I mean, he's done songs with like, he's done songs with, like, he's really good. The wordplay is like really fucking extraordinary. From a bird's eye view. That's the one? Have you heard those songs? I think I've heard I've heard two of them, I think. It's an incredible. I got to listen to the rest of them.

It's an incredible album. I never really like listen. I haven't heard this Freddie Gibbs song now. Oh, Freddy Gibbs. I've been listening to Freddy Gibbs. He listened to like 1985. I love rap music that uses like guitars and like kind of rock. Jazzies.

Yes. And that 1985 song comes in with, I think it's like, I think it's a Bernie Mac stand up like a little clip to it. And then it goes into this guitar solo. It's only like a two and a half minute song. But that shit when it's dark outside and you kind of drive. It hits different, bro.

I like that song. Freddy Gibbs and Corday. That's the artist. That's the artist of the week. Well, well, thank you so much for joining us, man. Yeah, man. That was fun. Maybe our, do we say, in the first real guest?

Formal count as a guest. But we never, I like the podcast where people like... It's the most viewed a flycast ever, so I think... What, the formal one? Yeah, I think he counts, yeah. Yeah, okay. Well, thank you so much for joining us. I hope you guys enjoyed a flycast episode 1,942.

Matt Craig, play the outro music. That's my kind of YouTube shit where you just you go into it and there's no plan and you just fucking