The Flycast - CoD Team is Divas - Scump and Formal As Future Guest - Changes To The Flycast | Flycast Ep. 34

Episode Date: August 10, 2021

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Starting point is 00:00:00 Blackass time. Shit. Music drops. Drop the music right after shit. Okay, Matt. If he doesn't know that, like... He's got enough. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:00:24 Got enough. I think he has... What would you call that? Like, timing awareness? Timing awareness. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, yeah. Like, there's a certain comedic timing.
Starting point is 00:00:36 That's what it'd be. I think he's got it. He edits, hex's vlogs. It'll be good. Welcome back. everyone. Welcome back to episode something. Who cares? No one even. No one even cares.
Starting point is 00:00:48 No one cares about the episodes. We're like 40 episodes deep in about four years. It's pretty good. I think that's a lot more than a majority of podcasts last. Yeah. I feel like this could last forever. As long as we live near each other. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:01:06 A flycast will happen somehow. Somehow. Like, even if we take another year. Even if we take another year break, something will happen to where we're like, yo, we should do a flycast. And then we'll drop that flycast and it'll pop. You like get me out of jail. And then as soon as I get back home, you're like, yo, flycast?
Starting point is 00:01:26 You're like, yeah. And you're like, what are you in for? And then I tell the story about how I got in jail. Then it gets like 250K views. And then we're like, hell yeah. And then the next one gets 20K again. And then we're like, we should bring formal on. which might be
Starting point is 00:01:46 yeah we were thinking about that bringing on guests what would I already know if I ask in the comments below yeah it's gonna be scumpt and formal yeah
Starting point is 00:01:57 who would you want to see but also would you want to see a guest we've thought about it before I remember one time I was like you know we should do one with uh this is like a long time ago we should do one with like
Starting point is 00:02:13 Iron Solomon. He said he was down. I was like, damn, that would be dope. And then we never did it. And then we were going to do one with... But like our fans wouldn't like that. You don't think so?
Starting point is 00:02:22 I think they would, but it wouldn't like pop. I don't think it would pop. But very few... I think if we did a podcast with like four more scum... Oh, yeah. Not only would it pop because they're like
Starting point is 00:02:35 formal and scump. But like people... I feel like... It would be different than the like hex like the hex formal scump you or hex formal scump me like those podcasts oh yeah yeah yeah like I feel like because those
Starting point is 00:02:54 they have like some topics and it's like they talk they try to talk about relevant we know we know we know we're on the optic channel too so we try to keep it a little a little like surface level yeah but like I feel like if we had formal or scump or who else could be in it doesn't matter but if we had any of them I feel like we would
Starting point is 00:03:15 we would like bring a side people would see like like it would get like kind of dark or like the humor like it would get like weird and like we would just talk about shit that we normally wouldn't on other podcasts
Starting point is 00:03:34 like the optic podcast or something. Yeah I can see that like I went to I almost started or I almost thought about starting because I'm king think but don't do right um but one time I did think about like starting a podcast to where like um because I always looked at fly flag as just like me and you but like starting a podcast where like I just bring guests on and like I like research their lives and like try to find like for example say like I did a podcast with scump or like even
Starting point is 00:04:10 but I'd rather do it like us too and like scump but say we did a podcast with scump I would like like like text his mom and be like hey like what did and like figure out like certain stuff to like bring up during the podcast and he's just like what the fuck he watched like a norm war yeah exactly it'd be like kind of like that but more like friend to friend instead of like weird interviewer right right yeah I've thought about doing that too I mean I've actually already done the research for a hex interview because I want to do like a I want to turn my like around the bar
Starting point is 00:04:45 rant style videos into like into like a one one interview slash podcast is type thing. That's what I try to do. Do you remember? I don't even know if you remember this but we did something called like a conversation with and I like researched all of Halo and all that stuff and we talked about
Starting point is 00:05:01 it a little bit. I did one with you one with Roger and one with no scope Joe. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. I don't remember what we talked about. Like a lot of halo. A lot of like old school halo and like on the come up to optic and stuff like that. See, that's what I'd want to do with like, like Matt, like, because I was in the scene before Matt and I know, like, talk to him about like how he, not looked up to me, but like how I was pro and he was like a am. And, like, his first, like, good placing was top six. And, like, I beat him for, like, top four. Right.
Starting point is 00:05:44 And it's just, like, I don't know. See, and I kind of already know his thoughts with that stuff. But, like, there's just a lot of stuff. Like, I want to know about, like, people's... I want to know about people's real-life shit before kind of gaming. Right, yeah. Like, like, scump, did you go to parties? Like, did you...
Starting point is 00:06:05 like what sports did you play like I'm interested in that kind of stuff yeah me too just like what what your life is outside all this and like how or what your life used to be I guess because a lot of people are consumed in it at this point like Big T I don't know anything I don't know anything about Will no one does yeah
Starting point is 00:06:25 no one knows anything about what I people are surprised when I talk about it on stream like I hung out with Big T for three months like when we first moved in the Scuff House and people that live in 60-50 got to know him really well but I hung out with him for even in 60-50 like he I would only see him if I'm
Starting point is 00:06:43 like making breakfast in the morning and he comes out and gets a coffee or something like that he was always he's always in his room like he's always he just he's just he just sticks to his own crying and gets his money and then I mean he's never it's always like
Starting point is 00:06:59 really chill whenever we hang out he's never like he's never been weird he's just been like to himself which I guess a lot of people are like that I mean Ian was like that to an extent but how weird is it that Ian like think about the dynamic of the scuff house in comparison to
Starting point is 00:07:17 now. I was fucking living in the master bedroom oh yeah and like we had a lot of like good conversations though like laying down at night and like it's like bitch black and me and they're just like talking to each other fucking
Starting point is 00:07:32 like he's telling stories about like his exes or like relationship problems or like you know shit like that you're just like yeah i'm just like damn that's crazy that's crazy yeah yeah but yeah we had a lot of good combos fucking yeah it's just weird to see how everything is now because he's on like a different org and it's like they there's like a beef there yeah i mean i don't think Ian and set have beef But I don't know about the other guys. But they, I mean, they did go through it for a little bit. So stupid.
Starting point is 00:08:12 I'd tell Seth, I'm like, dude, come on. Just like say you're sorry or something. He's like, they're so like. Sorry. Yeah. I can't say that. I'm like, all right. Dude, the cot team is like, I wonder if they were divas.
Starting point is 00:08:29 I know Matt has always been a diva. But, like, they are divas. Like if they don't want to do something, like they're not doing it. Right. Like for, like for example, just like random content videos will want to do. And it's like if you like that obstacle course, it's like if we hit the wrong. Like none of them wanted to be the person to go through the obstacle course because if you what was? Oh, if you hit the wrong button at the end, you get like a pie to the face.
Starting point is 00:09:02 Oh yeah. They're like, nope, we're not doing that. Right. Just like, like, come on. on. And Roger was bringing up a video that we're going to do either tomorrow or the next day, I think. Or maybe he's just, we'll get it that day and we'll do it next week.
Starting point is 00:09:18 But I'm not going to spoil what the ideas, but he was talking about what we're going to do next. And I was like, they're not going to do that. And he's like, but you will. And I was like, yeah. So like I'm going to be the fucking like. The dude who gets dunked in the tank or whatever. Yes. Then that's kind of always how they've been.
Starting point is 00:09:42 Actually, at first... In the scuff house, at the very beginning, it wasn't like that. What's weird is at 60-50, you saw the video where it was like me, both scump and hex, we had water in our mouths and we're like, like that laugh shit. Like back then, we didn't even think of how like disgusting it is to like just spit water on each other. Like we thought it was like funny. And I guess then we weren't like... Just whatever was like...
Starting point is 00:10:08 Yeah, we're shooting people with payball guns. Yeah. I'm taking them to the chest without a shirt. Yeah. But like, thinking about it back then, it was just like, we didn't even think about it. We just did it.
Starting point is 00:10:23 And now it's like they would never do that. Yeah. Even like bows or like now when those type of ideas are brought up, we're like, no. Like, we're not doing that. Like, I think that's part of just... It's like a, we're too. grown for that.
Starting point is 00:10:38 I'm gonna say it's part of like growing up. Not saying that you get you get too old for stuff like that, but I mean. With certain things. Like I can understand the water in the mouth. Yeah. Because that is fucking growth. Now that I'm like thinking, I'm like, how did I?
Starting point is 00:10:52 Because we were literally just fucking laughing and spraying it onto each other. Yeah. It's weird to think about hex because hex. Hex has always, Hax has always been down to do whatever. Right. He's never been a divo about shit.
Starting point is 00:11:10 That's the thing with growing up. Hacks is trying hard not to. Right. I think the thing is, it depends on what you did prior to all of this. Because you know what it's like to clock in at Food Lion. I know what is like to clock in at Walgreens. Hex knows what it's like to clock in at insurance. The insurance shit.
Starting point is 00:11:31 So, yeah, we'll shoot paintball guns. will get hit with a paintball gun or we'll take a pie to the face because it's better than that. Yeah. A lot of the people that were divas, they've never clocked in anywhere else. That's not their fault, but that's just how it is. Because this is so much better than what that stuff was. Yeah. This is, but do you ever think, like, sometimes that shit wasn't that, like, I think of my, I don't know how you're,
Starting point is 00:12:05 mind state was back then but like i mean maybe i'm just thinking back and i'm thinking of like like i would go to work work eight hours and like then i'd go to the gym afterwards or like go to a friend's house and we're like drinking or like i don't think my life was like that bad or i wasn't like depressed like i feel like i found myself and like more depressed states fucking well yeah of Of course you would. So why is that? Because you have tens of thousands of people that watch everything you do. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:12:42 And they're not afraid to tell you what they think. That's like the most. And it's like if you take stage fright and you put it in a Coliseum. I mean, that's like it's like every soon, but they're not watching you just make a speech. They're watching you all the time in your videos and other people's videos in your streams and other people's streams. If you're not streaming, they wonder what you're doing.
Starting point is 00:13:04 They wonder if you're okay. if you disappear they're like where is he at they ask other people where you it's like it's just anxiety everywhere weird is i've never been on that side like i've never been i never watched youtube videos i never watched vloggers i never was like a fan of anyone so i don't know what it's like like even now i don't watch anything besides like random shit on youtube but like i'm saying like i'm like a fan of anyone yeah i can see that well i guess music side we're just kind of like sitting here waiting for kendrick to put out anything or adele or frank ocean just like they haven't put out anything in five years yeah that's like the only people i feel like i would see in person be like oh shit
Starting point is 00:13:58 yeah but imagine like the stands of those people they probably they probably email them they probably send them postcards and send them stuff like hey where's the music can't wait for the music even my email people some I don't even know where my email is like posted but like people will email me and be like hey I know this is a long shot and like I don't even open them up but like it'll just pop up on my phone I'll see like the first two sentences yeah just like hey no this is a long shot but big fan and it's like that is so like I did that Really?
Starting point is 00:14:35 Yeah. I sent Skyler for play. I sent him a huge, huge email. And then I thought about it like way later. And I was like, is that the control? Yeah, yeah. Okay.
Starting point is 00:14:47 He used to work for, or he used to own envy. I don't know if he still does. But he used to own envy. Then he went to G-fuel. You hit him with the, hey, I know this is a long shot.
Starting point is 00:14:56 Yeah, because he was like my favorite pro growing up. That's what I used to watch. Yeah, I used to watch him in a game shot. Because he is, was he big? Yeah.
Starting point is 00:15:04 He was a, He was like one of the first like OBJ players. It was like him and Rambo. And then like, because I used to watch pre-scump. Like pre-nade shot. Like that those are like the times where it was like Stainville. It was running shit and all that. It was so long ago.
Starting point is 00:15:23 But yeah, I sent him because he used to upload every single day. And I would watch all his videos. And so I sent him something huge. And I was like, hey man, I'm like really trying to do this. And didn't get a response. but but then I thought about it way later and I've I mean I've if every time I open my email even my business email it's just like a lot of times there's people that have sent pages of stuff there's a there's definitely in your position there I feel like that is like what you should be
Starting point is 00:15:53 doing like for instance I I tweeted out like I need a designer like I want to drop apparel and I'm not going to lie fucking this guy tweeted me and was like what would it take for me to work with bt h and here's my portfolio and i just like click the link and i'm like oh this shit's pretty dope and then like i didn't even look anywhere else i just like dm'd him i was like yo like here's here's the bth logo like what could you do with this like what ideas do you have for believe the hype and then he was just like all right i can i'll send you what i come up with by like tuesday yeah and then I looked at it and I was like, yeah, this is pretty good. And I was like, well, figure something out.
Starting point is 00:16:38 And like, now we're going to, like, drop something. And I'm going to give him, I don't know what, like, percentage or what I'm going to do. Yeah. But, like, he just, like, reached out and now he's. That's, I mean, that's kind of just, it's kind of just lucky because I could have, like, clicked on someone else's and just like, but I'm not going to, like, search. Like, you just can't give up. Like, if I would have been like, oh, damn. 4Play never emailed me back
Starting point is 00:17:05 I should probably stop you know what I mean This is so cringe Yeah like oh man I feel embarrassed I don't I also like I also paid Midnight
Starting point is 00:17:17 1600 Microsoft points to be on her friends list Now that's embarrassing Yeah But I've told that story a hundred times Uh It's like Whenever you're like Really into it
Starting point is 00:17:28 And you just do whatever Eventually I mean eventually you're gonna look back I'm sure you did And you're like wow that was that was embarrassing, but as long as you're like full steam ahead. I mean, same with Aaron. Like, I literally tweeted out, I need a bracket.
Starting point is 00:17:42 I need somebody to design a bracket for me for when I was doing Optic Intel. And Aaron responded. And like 12 other designers responded. I put them all in a Skype call. And I was like, hey, can somebody, I need like a full-time designer for Optic Intel. Get me back your bracket. Every one of them was like, okay, I'll get it back to you within the next. three days and Aaron sent it back within an hour and a half.
Starting point is 00:18:07 And I was like, all right, it's Aaron. But that's how designers used to be. Yeah. Because like everything is like like Aaron Aaron Aaron, Aaron's turnaround time is crazy. Because he just gets in the zone. So then I got Ariel and Aaron from there. And then they just kept going. And now Aaron's doing rich and lonely create supply.
Starting point is 00:18:27 Ariel's doing create supply. And just, I mean, it's it's like whenever you're like full steam ahead. and you're like all into it, then eventually you're going to capitalize on some sort of opportunity that presents itself. Yeah. One of the, hmm,
Starting point is 00:18:44 actually probably shouldn't say that because he told me he didn't want to tell anyone. Yeah, don't say it. Well, it's not that anyone listening would know who I'm talking about. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:18:58 But some people, some people from rehab, watch these podcasts. Right. So they would know who I'm talking about. Right. So I'm not even going to talk about it. All right.
Starting point is 00:19:11 Everyone's like, okay. Thanks for wasting 20 seconds in my life. Oh shit. Sometimes you just have to take a... You got to take advantage of your opportunities. Like, Aaron created. Don't take a fucking two days to make a bracket. Like, watch up.
Starting point is 00:19:32 That was like the most, that was the craziest part to me. They're not entitled to anything. It's like everybody else. And this was during the time when every designer was 15 and 16. Like there weren't 20 year old designers like there are today. Like now all the designers you find are like grown adults. But back in the day when e-sports was still like growing, I mean Alpaca and Aaron and like Zob, like all those kids got hired when they were like 16.
Starting point is 00:20:01 Yeah, they're like, first generation of esports designers. I mean, look at Logan. Logan was, Logan is snipality, right? Something like that.
Starting point is 00:20:13 I'm 99% sure. That could just be a fucking myth. Because he just rebranded one day and just ran with it. But now he's like the head dude at 100 d's and he was making halo montages. So it's like, I mean, he was still like the best, I mean,
Starting point is 00:20:28 let's not get that. He was like the best person making halo montages. But, I mean, as long as you're like into it, if you, if you like dedicate yourself to whatever you're trying to like do, eventually an opportunity is going to present itself and you have to hit it as hard as you possibly can. Because like that's, I mean, that's how pretty much everyone. Now, what do you say to people who suck? Yeah. But they keep trying. I think you got to eventually understand.
Starting point is 00:20:59 You have to take a step back and look at your own art or look at your own. work from other from other like from another person's perspective because I think that's one of the biggest parts of finding out if you suck at something. Because I used to make videos
Starting point is 00:21:17 and eventually I went back and I looked at those videos like a month after making them and I was like wow these are boring. Like look at what people do that succeed and see how it captures your attentiveness or your emotion or whatever you're trying to achieve and then look at your own stuff
Starting point is 00:21:38 and you can just see the quality difference in everything. Was it Roger that you said you used to like, I think it was like someone like back in the Macalpin days, the Scuff House days where you were making vision. I know you would always say like I'm good at creating like a story.
Starting point is 00:22:01 Yeah. And you were like, but it might have been someone that like worked for TSM or like cloud nine or something but you were like they're so much better at me and like yeah something else I'm talking about max like he's that yeah yeah that might have been it I mean as far as the videography side of things I was now what do you mean by that like what's like like certain like the cinema yeah like like like editing like the way they know the cameras and they know how each camera works and what features are on each yeah the lighting and the
Starting point is 00:22:32 the sound quality and all that I mean they have I mean Roger has a hundred times more things than what I had of the scuff house and I give him shit for that all the time but he is way more talented than I am at like setting up shots and and getting the shots and
Starting point is 00:22:48 and like color grading and getting the lighting right because to me I was just making big long YouTube videos that's how I see it like he's making like Netflix quality documentaries So it's like that But still like what I did work Like worked I guess
Starting point is 00:23:06 Like what I knew I wasn't I was never really interested in putting out that level of Of production Because if I would have done that I would never have been able to hit like these 35 45 minute videos that I was making So But I did go like So in order for
Starting point is 00:23:26 That's the thing is Is how Roger looks at it is like he'll watch like Last Chance University or he'll watch like a logic like a logic documentary and then he'll be like that's what I want to do and then you can see that I would watch Casey Nystatt vlogs
Starting point is 00:23:42 and so if you look at Casey Nystatt vlogs and you look at vision vision is just 45 minutes of Casey Nystap style vlogs and so like they both work and I look back on vision and I look back on it like
Starting point is 00:23:58 fondly because but if you me i can like barely watch season one and those are the situations where you look at your own videos and you're like you have to everyone is everyone's like self-centered to a point where you are blinded to your own like weaknesses so don't watch your video for a little bit or don't listen to your music or don't listen to your beat or don't look at your artwork every beat i ever made was trash yeah exactly like at the at the moment i'm like But then like a month later, I'll listen to him. I'm so bad.
Starting point is 00:24:38 So, yeah, I mean, that's... Do you ever have an itch for camera work again? Like, do you ever look at what Roger has now with Opt-I? I mean, I get jealous about it. And you're like, yeah. Man, if I had this shit, this shit. I mean, I get jealous, but it's like open jealousy. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:25:00 Because like, I really enjoyed that. like I like I mean I still have ways of doing it like with doing the optic box break and I still have things that bring optic together and like we make content out of it but I mean yeah I really miss like the meetings and there was a there was a part there was a time where I was like dude because we were trying to figure out what to call the process and he was like we're calling a vision and I was like we're not calling a vision like I was like that's the only time I'd like ever put my foot down because like what infinite it did with vision always pissed me off like they made they made vision shirts that i never got a percentage of or really got a say and what it looked like at all yeah and then neither did roger and roger was making vision i mean they basically forced me out but made roger stay because they had sold vision to turtle beach like all that that all that stuff like really like it had a bad taste in my mouth so they were going to make the process vision and i was like no i was like but i will dead ass come back
Starting point is 00:26:03 if we want to work on vision together and I was really that was like the only time where I was dedicated in putting the time in to like to like I don't think I would have like edited but I would have like overseen
Starting point is 00:26:20 like the editing part of it like with Roger that was like the only I mean Roger's probably listening to this like rolling his eyes but I dead ass would have would have come back if it had to do with vision because vision is like still like my BTH or my you know what I mean it's like it has such a
Starting point is 00:26:37 like near dear dear place of my heart I would love to see fucking you make another like vision like what if say I just do vision season five episode one like Cod champs or whatever when it comes up
Starting point is 00:26:58 like the little I mean, this really makes no sense, but if you were to just come back for one episode and it's like Cod Champs, and it's just titled like, Vision, The End or something like... Well, eventually I want to make the optic documentary. Like, work on that with Roger.
Starting point is 00:27:21 And so what would call that vision the documentary or something? Vision in the Optic Gaming Documentary or something like that. What would that entail? like it would have to go would you like fly to people's hometown yeah for sure that would be that would be so sick that'd take a lot of work
Starting point is 00:27:41 yeah we would say it would be like a two year thing but I mean I don't think that would be for a while because I think I think there's still there has to be the finale of that documentary hasn't been written yet because we I think we need to what the vision yeah because I think
Starting point is 00:28:00 we need to win champs again because then it would be hex gets optic in 2006 builds the best the biggest content creation e-sports or the biggest content creation or content creator group on youtube then goes over to e-sports the whole nate shot era then everything the falling out with nate shot like all this stuff is is like they're huge stories like they're these are all like some of the biggest stories in e-sports and it's all within optic and then of course the scuff house stuff we win champs in the scuff house the only stories in east sports
Starting point is 00:28:37 we win champs the big the dynasty the halo team I mean all that all that stuff then the infinite thing then hex buys it back which is fucking insane you know what I mean that she was eating at him
Starting point is 00:28:54 yeah shit and then uh and then whatever is next is I think that would be like a good ending part of of like a documentary either something good needs to happen or something really bad needs to happen and you'll see uh you'll see the finale for vision but yeah i think there's just too much there's too many stories to tell apparently somebody's working on that halo doc who i don't know i i saw online that or somebody messaged me and said that
Starting point is 00:29:28 that somebody is finally working on it. If I'm not included in it, I mean, you have to be. I have to be, right? Yeah. Because I'm like, not, of course, not like, because I was winning so many events or I was like so good, but like,
Starting point is 00:29:45 I'm like the only me, Flame Sword and Snipe Down are like the only people to like make it outside of HALA. Like, as far as like a content, or just to take their brands from Halo and to like grow it bigger. Right. Like Snipdown was like, he was really known in Halo,
Starting point is 00:30:09 but like outside of that he didn't have a brand like that. But now with Apex, Snip down's actually like pretty, yeah, he's like popping in Apex. Yeah, I think is it Tugur is playing Apex too? I think one of them, one of the Oger's is playing Apex as well. Not competitively. Really? Tugger's like the mutineers. Oh,
Starting point is 00:30:34 oh yeah, yeah, yeah. Who was I thinking of him? Maybe I was thinking of Snipe-Signdown. I thought there was another person as well. I don't think so. But, yeah, we had Flamesword, like, it's weird with Flamesword because he kind of, I don't know how he got friends with, like,
Starting point is 00:30:56 he was really good friends with, like, Big T and Bowes. Right. Like back in the day, I guess, like, maybe scump or just like way back in the day like 2014 somehow the fucker was coaching the cod team and i don't fucking know how but well it's because of the red it was because of the red bull thing right oh that probably he was like a red bull athlete him and enable or was it the whole which i don't know how that happened was it the whole sq team or it's just him and enable i know there's no way anyone got a check from red bull besides like flame and enable yeah so
Starting point is 00:31:32 So then Natechot signed with Red Bull. So then... That's probably what... And at the time, Cod players looked at Halo players. Like, Cod and Halo is like above it. So it's like, oh shit, a Halo guy will come coach us. Like, that's not only good, like, publicity or whatever, but it's... And Halo needed a W then, because I think that was...
Starting point is 00:31:55 And there was nothing going on in HALA. That was right when HALA 4 was out. So you guys were like... Yeah, we're on our way down. So I guess he somehow... Oh, no, that wasn't when MCC first came out, I think. Yeah. Or it was about to come out.
Starting point is 00:32:11 The Halo 2 anniversary, I think, was like 2015. Yeah. Or something like that. So it was about to come out. But yeah, Mike found his way into... I don't even know, like, Mike's story with, like, when he joined, how, like, or how it happened. But there's only, like, a few of us that have made... something somehow
Starting point is 00:32:33 out of fucking Halo and people always say like like oh you're on Optic like you have it so good like as if like when you join Optic it just like comes to you or it's just like given to you how many people have been on Optic
Starting point is 00:32:51 that have that like leave Optic or get dropped from Optic and like they didn't they didn't even hardly have anything when they were on Optic like they have like what 10,000 more followers. Yeah, like how many cod players have joined Optic and didn't like nothing with it?
Starting point is 00:33:10 A lot. Yeah, a lot. So it's definitely not like given to you. I don't even really know how I did it. But I can't believe. It's crazy that like some people strive to be content creators and that's why they want to be on Optic or they strive to be competitors and that's why they want to be on Optic. But you and Bose, I believe, the only two cases where, like, you guys just got on Optic and you hit the ground running with
Starting point is 00:33:41 content. And like, you blew up through content. You know what I mean? Like, both of you guys really blew up through content. So, but you weren't, it doesn't seem like you were like interested in content before the opportunity presented itself. Fuck no. I never made any video. I didn't make any montage is I never recorded clips I never streamed I did make like Big Vine guy I was always like the fucking
Starting point is 00:34:06 class clown of like wherever I was so I fucking did have some vines What's funny Is I don't know if they're Is everyone's vine clips deleted Think so Well I know Vine like doesn't exist
Starting point is 00:34:23 But back in the day I used to make vines and I would, I remember I had a halo vine of me like, I don't know if I was in like theater or something, but I was just like, God, I'm getting shit on. And then it just, like, the next clip is me like dumping a bottle of Adderall just on my desk. Are you serious? Like, this was in like 2012 or something. Oh my God.
Starting point is 00:34:48 So, like, it's been, those were my hints. If you, if you never saw the hints I was given. of like shit I was doing. I also saw somebody. I forgot who it was. Somebody put out like a montage of you. Of like. And GTA role play.
Starting point is 00:35:05 Uh-huh. Being like a. Yeah. You're like, hey, I'm like an addict. What's like your role and or what's your role play? What's your story?
Starting point is 00:35:15 Yeah. For GTA role play. And I was like, uh, I was like, let me think of something. I got it. I'm going to be an Adderall feed and a fucking.
Starting point is 00:35:25 Yeah. I can't believe you did that. What's funny is people fucking, well, I think I always wanted to subconsciously talk about it. Right, yeah. But like, I just never. I also, like, didn't care. Like, if people knew, I, like, didn't, I just wasn't afraid of people finding out, but I wanted people to find out on, like, my terms.
Starting point is 00:35:50 And, like, when I was ready to just, like, give it up. Because I didn't want to talk about it and, like, still be, like, fiending to use. Yeah. Whether it was Adderall or Zanax or whatever. But like, I was just waiting to like completely give it up. And there was like multiple times where I wanted to give it up. And I like would go like two weeks without using and be like. But then I'd be, I'd like look at my week and be like, damn, I could, I don't got nothing to do.
Starting point is 00:36:21 Yeah. But my dude just hit me up. I could buy like 100 fucking Addies. and just go in and have just be up for four days. And so I would always, I never wanted to talk about it until I was like completely done. Yeah. Yeah, because I remember there was a couple times you went on the, or you were like about to go on the, uh, eaveshop.
Starting point is 00:36:47 But then you would tell hacks, you're like, no, I can't. I'd just be like, I'm not ready. Yeah. Okay. That means like I'm not done using it. Yeah. like I was I knew I
Starting point is 00:37:00 because I don't think I would have been able to deal with like the guilt of like coming out talking about it and and then like two weeks later I'm like back on it you disappear again so I knew that would fuck with me so I don't want to like be I don't want to like lie or like be
Starting point is 00:37:21 I don't know I just wanted to be like truthful and honest about it you're like 60 days sober 70 days? 70 days? Oh, I'm like, let's see. I am like, let's see, the 20, say like 27th. So 30, 60, what's today? March 10th.
Starting point is 00:37:44 11th. 11th. It's probably like 75, 75 days. Which is crazy. That is wild. It's fucking nuts for me. Because I would go two weeks and be like, I haven't. taken in two weeks.
Starting point is 00:37:58 Yeah. Like, I'm the best. Yeah. But now it's like, what makes it easy? And I don't really, okay, well, what makes it easy is that I don't have an option to, like, use again. Yeah, yeah.
Starting point is 00:38:18 And I don't want to. Right. Like, I really don't. I do have it. I find myself, like, on certain nights being like, God, I wish I could just, like, take Zan smoke and just like lay down and like be fat eat food yeah um but i i'm noticing the moments of when that would have usually happened back then like damn i would definitely use right now right or it's like if i like go out to meet my yoga teacher for food it's like usually i would like
Starting point is 00:38:57 take a x just to be like chill yeah like everyone just thinks I'm like chill and like I'm social but like now it's like I just have to like deal with it yeah which like sucks but then like once you do actually deal with it you're like proud of yourself yeah yeah it's a big learning lesson and a lot of people well I don't know about a lot but there's definitely been a few people from rehab that like we have like a sort of group that like sort of stays in contact I don't don't contact anyone but like don't contact me right um no just like yeah no i'm doing good they'll like tell me about like how some other people are doing or like um i'll reach out to someone and
Starting point is 00:39:41 they'll basically there's been a few people that have like one person's already been been to jail again they were like driving um like a DUI another person like took a bunch fucking basically OD'd and like they're back in rehab again. These are all people that you hung out with. Yeah. So it's all people like, when you're in rehab, you're like talking to each other. Like I remember when I was leaving, I was like, this needs to be the group to where like everyone succeeded, like the impossible.
Starting point is 00:40:19 Yeah. Because apparently like 80% of people that go to rehab are going to relapse, which is weird because when you're in there and you're talking to someone, they're like, no, I'm done. And I'm sitting there like, no, like I am actually done. Yeah. I was like, if you, I forget how I word it, but like, if 80% of people end up relapsing, and I know I'm not gonna, that increases your all's chance.
Starting point is 00:40:50 I was like, I'm sorry, but I'm not going to use it. So technically, I think that increases your all's chance that you're all are going to relapse. but like I don't know how people go through rehab like some people have been to multiple like that'll be their fourth rehab and I'm just like how and I think what it comes down to is just not having
Starting point is 00:41:13 something that like really drives you or motivates you out like in the real world whether it's like a job that you're like trying to progress and get better at or friends or I think most of it stems from just like boredom and being unhappy sitting with your thoughts. Right. They just do whatever.
Starting point is 00:41:37 Yeah. But like now, with me now, it's like from when I wake up to like when I drive home at like 9 p.m. anywhere from like 7 to 9 p.m. I'll go home. So I'm basically at the hex quarters for like 12 hours. And then I drive home. but I find stuff to do yeah
Starting point is 00:42:01 Minecraft was a lot of it fucking yeah um but just keeping my mind busy because when I go home at night that's when I'll be like fuck I want to because I'm just like sitting there thinking and thinking and even even like throughout the day
Starting point is 00:42:18 I'm like overthinking certain things or um I'm sure what you like damn like what I would usually do right now would be go home and just like take Xanax but then it's like nothing gets accomplished yeah yeah that's why like I've I've accomplished more in the past like two months than like ever like if you take 29 the last 29 years of my life compared to like these two months it's like I feel like I've done more yeah now and you're about to move too then about a move gonna be right by the
Starting point is 00:42:53 That'll probably, that'll probably, because I, yesterday was my second night at my new place. And it does feel like a clean slate, like almost. Like it feels like, I don't know. I feel like dramatic saying it's like a new chapter. But like when you have your own place in a good spot or surrounded by like a bunch of good people too, it's like we're all in this area. It feels good. Like being able to walk to work. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:43:21 I'm excited about getting a new place. because I'm still, and you know this feeling, I'm still in the apartment where like me and Linda would argue and fucking the breakup and just like, I feel like that energy is like still there somehow. So it's definitely a help getting out like all day. Yeah. But it's still.
Starting point is 00:43:46 This month? Even like I'm going to start moving in like Saturday. Oh shit. Okay. Yeah. It should be dope. Like even, I haven't brought a girl. Like, I don't even, like, want to bring a girl to my apartment because it's like, I don't know, it's just weird.
Starting point is 00:44:07 It's like, this is where my girlfriend was that, like, pretty much live with me. And it's like, all. You're sleeping, like, on her side. Like, I don't know. It's just weird to me. Yeah. I can imagine. I haven't done any of that.
Starting point is 00:44:23 But yeah, I'm excited for my new place. Do you have, like, furniture and stuff? No, Alexis is going to be down. And just sleeping on an air mattress with nothing set up. I have my bed there. I'm like, dude, like, you have the money. Just fucking order a bed. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:44:45 But he's like, he just, he wakes up and, like, showers and spends all day at the exorcist and just goes back and lays on his air mattress. Yeah. Literally an air mattress. matches. It's just like, dude. Alexis is coming down the next couple of days and then we're going to go to IKEA
Starting point is 00:45:01 and just do that. So she's going to go to IKEA. You're going to follow her. Probably. She's going to pick everything out. She's not going to pick everything. She'll probably give me suggestions because I think she's hesitant on like telling me what to get with everything. You know what I mean?
Starting point is 00:45:17 See, I want, that's why I'm taking page fucking everywhere. Because like, you need like a I need a perspective. Yeah. I get that. Especially with the couch, because I went to Pages's apartment to like hook up my apartment or to figure out what I'm doing.
Starting point is 00:45:35 We would just like sit there and like apply and look at different places. Well, you went to her apartment? Yeah. She's literally four doors down for me. Yeah. But I'll text or anything. No. Oh, I don't think you were moved in yet.
Starting point is 00:45:49 Oh, okay. This was like four days. Oh, okay. You moved in two days ago. Okay, okay, okay. But, like, I sat on her couch. I was like, what the fuck? This is so nice.
Starting point is 00:45:59 I want this one. Then we, like, tried to. I'm basically just, I'm like, all right, what rug do you have? What? You're just getting everything she got. And she, like, sent me a list of different options, like TV stands, bed frames. Yeah. And it'd be like, brown TV stand, tan bed frame, brown bed frame, pages bed frame.
Starting point is 00:46:22 I'd be like, all right. need pages bed frame pages carpet and pages couch you're just copying her uh but yeah it's definitely helpful getting a a female's opinion on
Starting point is 00:46:34 I feel like I like trust that more I mean it's because of June Jude uh would be like hey I'm gonna work downstairs then you come downstairs and it's just cool it looks like a like a like remember when she did formal's room at first and I went down there and I was like oh my God like
Starting point is 00:46:50 how does she turn that little tiny workout space. I almost want to give Jude like, I don't know if she would want to do this or if like she has fun doing it but like give her like $3,000 and be like go wherever you go and like get shit and then come back and set it up.
Starting point is 00:47:10 Yeah. Like does she do all this too? There's no way Hex did anything. Yeah, how much does Hexta do? I don't think he has a vision for it, but I don't know if he does it. He does have the vision, but he does, I don't think Hex did. does anything. I think he's just a visionary.
Starting point is 00:47:28 Yeah. You know he's listening to this right now. Like, now he's laughing. Yeah. And then we would come. Remember that first day at the Scuff House when you, it's like November,
Starting point is 00:47:45 you'd come downstairs, then you'd round the corner and the Christmas trees up. There's bows on the, on the top of the shelves and stuff. I was like, man, it feels good in here. There's like stockings with our names on it. Yeah. I remember, dude, I kind of wish,
Starting point is 00:48:04 I want to give a team house for like one more try. Like for a year. With who? Everyone. Yes. I know, I guess scumps all the question out because he has his own house. But like, I don't know.
Starting point is 00:48:20 That was just. fun. It was. I remember one time we did Thanksgiving and like Spratt fucking cooked and that's like a bunch of us just like sitting at the table with food. Christmas music. Some of us made. Christmas music.
Starting point is 00:48:35 Yeah. It was in Chicago. Like I wake up and I'm like just blasting Christmas music and there's it's like snowing outside and yeah. It was really good times. We definitely like took it for granted. That's why I would have talked to all these like Fortnite kids. Like, yo,
Starting point is 00:48:51 Like, all these like 16 year old To 20 year old To 19 year old Fortnite kids that are blowing up And you're getting a lot of fucking money And you live in a team house Don't take this shit for granted Because eventually you're gonna grow up
Starting point is 00:49:06 And unless you're Some of these other guys that like Like I think there's what two orgs Phase and 100 Thieves that still have That still have content houses It's like unless you're in a situation like that where you're very, very lucky and your millionaires, and you get to live with each other and sell sponsorships that way,
Starting point is 00:49:26 like that's going to go away. So this is your frat house. Like this is your time to live with your boys. This is your college experience. Yeah. Like, and like I didn't take, like,
Starting point is 00:49:37 I had a lot of fun of the scuff house and I'll never forget it. But like, and I get, I mean, it's, I forget we lived in that Blaine Drive house. I like forget we ever lived there. I don't have like many memories.
Starting point is 00:49:47 Yeah. that house. Me neither. But like, as far as a scuff house is concerned, like, I definitely took it for granted at a point. And part of me regrets that because we could have done so much more. And I could have just had more fun rather than like, in the moment. Trap myself in my room. It's hard.
Starting point is 00:50:06 Yeah. I get that too. Your library. Your fucking. The library. And then it's Seth's room once he left. Which I'm still salty. about.
Starting point is 00:50:19 I hated my fucking room by the end. Stupid fucking sliding doors. How crazy is it? What it would have been? I couldn't lock. You would, so this is what would have happened if you would have gotten that room. You would have moved into Seth's old room.
Starting point is 00:50:33 And then I would not have moved out of my room because I did not want to live where you lived. So that means, Aaron Create would have moved straight from California into your old room beside Pomash. He would have had like the good room. Yeah. And Hax would have been pissed.
Starting point is 00:50:55 Because Hex was like, I kind of like bought Aaron's flight and got him a bunch of stuff without Hax knowing. And I was like, hey, I need him here. So he's coming here. And then he showed up in the- Aaron lived at the fucking C-S house. That shit must have been like scary. He said, dude, he had never, so he had never been in a hurt. He had a fucking indoor pool.
Starting point is 00:51:15 He had never been in a hurricane before or tornado. because there's no tornadoes in Cali. So he said, he texted me and said, what does a tornado warning mean? His phone just, and I was like, the warning is the bad one.
Starting point is 00:51:32 The tornado watch is like, oh, just be careful. But the tornado warning is like, there's one there, like right over there. And he said like the power went out. His like first night in the,
Starting point is 00:51:43 in the CS house, the power went out in that creepy ass house. And it was just, like just pouring rate. That house was super creepy. Like I didn't even like going over there like in the day because you walk in and no matter what it's like outside you walk in and it's like kind of dark and dim
Starting point is 00:52:01 and it's like half the shit works, half of it doesn't. Fucking. We swindled that house. I don't remember shit about that house. We swindled that house. Like I didn't even know my way around that house. Yeah. I think I only went there like four times.
Starting point is 00:52:16 Yeah. I mean, I went there a lot because of the CS team, but I bet you there are like some, there's probably some crazy stories that like Oscar and Rush have because they live there. They live there the most. It was like, it was like Maxwell and Rush live there the most. And then like for days where they would come practice, then like Terek would come and everybody else. But like that house was funny because we announced the house and everybody was like, damn, this house is better than the scuff house.
Starting point is 00:52:48 an indoor pool. Yeah, yeah. But like you get there and it's like a dirty indoor pool. It's like no one, no one got in it ever, I don't think. Imagine buying or renting a house with an indoor pool and no one touched it ever. I think they use the jacuzzi. They use the jacuzzi until the jacuzzi broke. Like, yeah.
Starting point is 00:53:09 That was a fun announcement though. Those are crazy times. It was a good idea. Yeah. But I don't know. I just don't know if because does 100 these even have
Starting point is 00:53:24 a house anymore or is it just our Nate and Jack living together? I think they just live together for some reason. Which I don't really get because they don't make any content together. Yeah they do. They make a lot of content here. Yeah. Well I know they have like a podcast.
Starting point is 00:53:42 Well they make like one off videos too with like Valcurea. Oh really? Because it used to be when I went there to visit, it was Jack, Nate, and Ray. And now Ray lives with like Pokemon and
Starting point is 00:53:57 that crew, I believe. And so then I was like, wait, so who lives? And then Symphony was living there with Brooke for a little while, but I think they both went home. It's a couple's house. Right. It definitely was like legitimately a couple's house. So weird. But now the mob is all
Starting point is 00:54:13 back home as well. So like, I don't know what's going on in L.A. over there. got to be tough to live in the water over there it's got to be tough to live in a lot of people are coming to texas texas is like the non-corny l.A except there's like it's except the weather's not as good the weather's not as good um there's not that much to see like L.A. is like so L.A. is like the non-corny Dallas no because L.A.'s corny. You think so? Yeah. I wanted the living Hally so Same.
Starting point is 00:54:48 I did too, but like now that I'm thinking about it, I'm like, or I thought about it a lot because I always wanted to move to Cali. I always wanted to like live in L.A. I would infinite try to go to. I used to love,
Starting point is 00:54:59 I used to love events in L.A. But like, the more and more I went and the more I walked on like Hollywood Boulevard and like, yeah, just being in L.A. and seeing just like hipster after hipster. And it's just people who like,
Starting point is 00:55:16 it just looks like, Like everyone cares about what, how they look or it's like everyone wants to be that person who lives in L.A. and like makes it and knows people. Right. And I just think that, I think it's corny. But I get it because I wanted, I wanted to like be that and do that at one time. Do you what Infinite almost tried to put us out there in L.A.? For like two week time?
Starting point is 00:55:45 everybody was like we would be in L.A. So they found a place in L.A. for us to go. And at this point, I was like, dude, I can't move to L.A. I just moved to Dallas. So it was a really weird time where they were, it was like almost about to happen. We were about to have like a team house or a team place in L.A.
Starting point is 00:56:04 I think I remember that. It was like you, it was like you, Sheila Bose, and like two other people that were going to go out there. And I was like, well, I can't go out there. because I just bought my first couch ever. You know what I mean?
Starting point is 00:56:19 Which I relate to now. Finally bought my first grown man couch. Oh, yeah. Fucking. It was a lot of money. I can't believe you. I can't believe it either. But how I want to...
Starting point is 00:56:35 All right. So my couch was like $3,000. But it's so comfy. And it's exactly like what I wanted. Right. And I was like, I'm going to regret. And I'm just like, fantasizing about like what's going to happen like someone come like i even thought
Starting point is 00:56:51 art if uh if formal comes over like is he going to be like like is my place going to be a spot where people enjoy coming to and like sitting on my big comfy couch and just like putting on netflix and having like a big tv that's like that's what i envision yeah that's what i fantasize about or having like a girl come over and it's like a big comfy cozy couch and they just feel comfortable. So that's what you're investing in. That's really what it is. I get that.
Starting point is 00:57:22 But that's my fan, that's a fantasy world I live in. And then like this whole next year could go by not one person like ever comes over. And I'm just like, I'm just in my room, like never on the couch.
Starting point is 00:57:36 You walk by and you're like, you're $3,000 piece of shit. Probably end up selling it. But no. Or I say like, I'll have this couch for a long time. But I know like whenever I have to move next, I'm going to be like, just fucking give it away. Then I'll just get a new one.
Starting point is 00:57:56 Yeah. It's usually how we, like, I just take the laziest way out. Yeah. Moving's going to be annoying. Fucking. It was a bitch. Was a bitch. Did you hire people to like come in, grab everything? Not grab everything. Like, did you handle all the boxes? Did you get a you all truck? No. I just took four trips back and forth. But I didn't have that much stuff. I still hadn't unpacked from the Blaine Drive house. So I still had like five or six boxes already ready.
Starting point is 00:58:28 So I just had to pack up my clothes. I need to just get rid of shit. Yeah. I got rid of a lot of stuff. Which is what I did at the Emerson when we moved. I was just like, God, I don't feel like taking any of this. So I just like the fucking maintenance people who like clean after you move, like someone got like two pieces. C's like I'm talking like
Starting point is 00:58:47 I was also like I was also like fucked up so I never I just didn't give a fuck dude I remember I remember I was like everybody one trip everybody had moved in to the Blaine house and you still hadn't
Starting point is 00:59:02 and I was like talking to people I was like where is Nick and you stayed over like your time for a few days yeah I was like I am dragging this out I will move on the last day possible. New chapter. New chapter. No new friends. No new, no new, no, no, no, no, no, no. I have a new friend.
Starting point is 00:59:28 No. Well, not a new friend, but I'm in love again. Just kidding. Because she might listen to this. Just kidding. Just kidding. Got her love. Do we have any other music?

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