The Flycast - EXPOSING THE PROBLEM WITH ESPORTS SALARIES | The Flycast Ep. 87

Episode Date: September 5, 2023

CENTR - Use Code OPTIC25 for 25% off first order Link: https://optic.link/CENTR Flycast Podcast presented by CordaRoy's https://cordaroys.com/products/optic-... Load the OpTic APP now here! https://OpTic.link/OpTicNation Rate the App 5-Stars! Check out the OpTic Podcast here: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/optic-podcast/id1542810047 https://open.spotify.com/show/25iPKftrl0akOZKqS0wHQG 00:00:00 Intro 00:02:13 Veggie food and food 00:05:46 This Summer 00:09:47 Coming in to the Office 00:12:18 Halo Infinite 00:13:07 MaNiaC streaming 00:15:05 Shotzzy's content 00:16:58 Halo Infinite 00:21:20 Hitch streaming 00:23:00 EG Valorant World Champ 00:26:33 Miami Heretics 00:32:07 Ad break 00:33:48 Esport Teams operations 00:46:10 Players Salary 01:01:42 TST The Off-Season MB01VRXLRVBBYYQ EXPOSING THE PROBLEM WITH ESPORTS SALARIES | The Flycast Ep. 87

He pooped twice this morning, so he should not poop today. So if he does, that's fucking on me, I guess. Just get Raj to clean it, clean it, I guess. He's a little more not scared. He's a little more animated, right? I feel like I need a chug of energy drink. What you need to do is crack open that center. Or I can just crack open this center and enjoy this podcast.

brought to you by center in corduroy. And corduroids. My stomach's upset, though. I don't know if chugging a energy drink is going to help that. I've taken three shit. It's what? 11 a.m. I've taken three shits.

No, you have it. Yeah. Why? I don't know. That's got to be IBS. I'm torturing myself with food again. Dog. I fell off.

I know. Trust me. I know. It's hard to believe. It's hard to believe. But I fell off my diet. And right now it's fucking... You know, when I started this whole, like, challenge, I was thinking, like,

I'm just going to do the vegan shit because it's impossible. Ew. What the fuck is on my shoe? Me shit. The dog's here again, everyone. No, it's... Ew, dude, it's like mud. It's like the fucking outside.

Uh, uh, um... Yeah, oh, the dog... I'm gonna, I'm gonna take him for the foreseeable future here. you're going to what i'm going to bring him here for the foreseeable future i got a i got cameras for home wait what was i just talking about oh uh food oh no mace cbdd drink not the center drink that he wanted some he wanted some he's trying to relax it's perfect for any time of the day may he says he's not a clumsy dog at all all right vegan you went i'll say your sentence for you i would

vegan. Well, I didn't really go vegan for this specifically, but I was like, if I go vegan, there's no way I get fat. It's literally impossible to get fat. You're on the right track. I didn't think there was any going to be a way that I could just eat like shit. I feel like it would be hard to survive as a vegan without eating like shit. Good point. Unless you're just crushing beans. Because what's your goat? You've explained meals to me before. First off, it's fucking crazy. you're still going with this vegan shit. Almost done. Dude, my brain just like wants to form a different fucking subject.

It's crazy you're going on, still going with this vegan shit. And you've explained to me meals that you've, that you eat sort of regularly and they never sound healthy. Or they just sound like a lot of calories. Like it's always guack. And that's about, that's, that's, I think I forget the rest. But it's never. You're just thinking about guac.

It's just like, what's one of your go-to meals? Veggie fajitas, beans and rice. Veggie fajitas. That's like my favorite meal. Like a tortilla with... Tortilla, with the veggies on it. You make all that yourself? Like you, like, chop the veggies or...

Yeah. Do you get them pre-chopped? Yeah. I order it from Cheetos. Oh. Do you cook any of your shit? I've cooked a little bit. But like anything I cook is not healthy.

It's like air frying fucking tofu and shit. Actually, that's not that bad, but. Are you holding, are you changing your diet recently? Like, are you like, all right, what the fuck? I'm getting a little. I think I have fallen off in the last three weeks, especially since getting the dog. Because like, I'm just like, I order. And then I order like a fucking vegan.

Imagine how much money you'd have if you cooked. Shut up. Yeah. I mean, no, I really, I'm going to Arizona for all of October. And when I go there, I'm really going to lock down on cooking, I think. Like, uh, bro, you save so much money. It's everything's a fucking rip off. Like, it's an, I ordered and I like was trying so hard to convince myself not to.

But we had a nice little like pooled. yesterday a few drinks because i'm an alki and and then we get back and what did i order i ordered oh just like fried chicken fried rice yeah i ate that i fell asleep i woke up at like 6 p.m i couldn't have felt more like shit like i was like almost like panicky and i was like oh my god this is not good then i just felt so bad i've been so off, not so off track lately, but just like, especially with food. And last night I had like two mini bags of muffins. We've had, we've had cheesecake. I had, what else that I eat last night? Two bags of mini muffins and something else that's really shit for you. But I have been,

there we go, Mace. Yes. He senses good vibes. I've been completely off track to pass. Honestly, it's sort of just been summer. Like, June, July, and August, something, I feel like, does no one else have the itch to, like, maybe it's because I didn't experience it in, like, college and high school or even really in, like, the scuff house and stuff. But I didn't experience, like, going out and, like, sort of meeting people, even though I don't really go out to meet,

meet people, but, like, sort of just, like, being outside and stuff. Like, I'm, like, these,

like, last two summers, I feel like I'm, like, doing that for the, I've done it for the first time in my life. To where I'm, like,

actually outside. And I kind of enjoy it, but then it's like, I stop streaming and I feel like a fucking loser, but it's okay, because Friday, this person's having a birthday party and that'll be fun. And then Saturday,

I wake up and I'm fucking, hungover and then I hate life again. It's because you're dating a social butterfly. Yeah. That's what it is. She swear she's not either. She's lying. I'm like, you don't under, you don't know what like a true like introvert.

Like you should meet formal. Like you don't, you don't even understand the other type of life that exists. Yeah. Like I, we all know very well. Yeah. Like I explained to her. I used to like never leave my apartment. And like, even when.

I had a girlfriend at the time. Like I would still stay up all night, like on Addy and play games. She's like, I would not tolerate that. And I was just like, yeah, this is just like a completely, not that she's seeing like a completely different side of me, but it's like, it's kind of, it kind of, it kind of is like a new side of me because it's a side of like never, even since late high school, I started just like taking Addy and I was pretty much inside from. from there on for 10 plus years.

And then these last like two, three summers or whatever since like stop taking everything, I feel like I'm just like experiencing the outside world and like it does feel good to like get outside in the sun. I think it is healthy for you. But I don't know. I've just been trying to enjoy it and like living this social sort of life for the first. first time. But it's not, I've definitely overdone it. I'm getting fatter. I'm getting less consistent with the gym, but I'm still like working out at least like every other day. And I just feel really bad about like not streaming. So I think the weather's getting a little better. The weather is getting

better. It's it. We're in the 90s. I'm ready to really start again. We're in the 90s now. Right. Here comes. What are you doing? I saw make, make sure you add a filter. to these legs. To make them bigger? To make them fucking. I just, I feel, am I pale?

I feel like I'm kind of tan. No, you're tan. I kind of am. For a redhead, bro, you look good. Bro,

whenever you pass me when you were driving in here. Dude, I was like, what the fuck? I was, your windows are like tinted. As I'm driving by,

I'm like, I bet you that didn't help his anxiety. So I, I was just throwing up gang signs. Yeah, yeah, I'm like doing my breath work, like walking in.

I feel like, even though I'm like super good looking very strong and muscular and like fit there's just more to life you know there's just there's so much other shit going on to be like anxious about and I don't fucking X X what's a mic so bad we'll leave some of that in there oh um what are we talking about food food oh um Yeah, parked. I was like walking over here. I don't know why it just get I just get anxious walking up here like I'm I'm anxious when I wake up knowing I have to come in and this is and I think it's because of like the inconsistencies of me coming here. Because when I used to stream it like the hex quarters, I wouldn't like I would just wake up and be like, I let's go. Yeah. Like I'd go there. When you're when you streamed here. Would you get anxious coming in? Uh, definitely less. Maybe it's because half of this. office is corporate and you don't know that side is that does that ever intend it has to do with it but even just like the inconsistencies of like seeing everyone like not saying i'm like not in the

circle but like i'm not in that the circle of like those guys over there like the production team and it i don't know it's not like it's just like the inconsistencies of like being here because i'll only be here like two max like three times a week even even if it's even sometimes it'll be something like a fucking home run derby or something so it's like i'm not even in there so i don't know just something about coming into not really an unfamiliar place like i'm i think i'm making it seem more dramatic than what it is but anyways i'm just like anxious fucking about coming in here i'm I don't know. I just have like social anxiety.

I parked. Walking over here to the office. And then like I'm crossing the street, which I shouldn't be because it wasn't my turn to cross. Then here comes this car fucking throwing up gang signs as I'm like crossing in the middle of the street. And I'm like, what the fuck? But it like, I thought it was some dude like yelling with his hands.

I'm like, what the fuck are you doing in the middle of the fucking road? Fucking. And then I thought you were like telling me to go and shit. I was about to go like, I was about to go like this. Like, no, you go. It's your fucking turn. I'm like, why? In my head, I'm like, why is this fucking guy stopping here?

Of course. And, but then I noticed it was you, but yeah, your fucking windows are like kind of tinted. They're super tinted. I don't know why. I just bought them like that. And I didn't even think about it. And as soon as I turned after I passed here, I was like, that probably scared it more than like. Yeah.

It was being an idiot. It was like last fucking second. I've realized it was you. But I'm going to. I've probably said this before but I'm going to start streaming again every single day and it's going to be in here so this would be a daily

because the summer's fucking over for me right now Halo's coming back for a little bit it's coming back like viewer numbers on the summit it's on the back of summit yes but still he's

he's making a good case for the game I saw a clip of him and he's like why wouldn't you play this game it's free to play it's free to play it's an arena shooter it's It's just like, bro, it's been games almost been out two years and like now we're

sort of... I just... Mays. Watch the center. I just don't think the game's like good enough. It's just not fun enough. And I'm going to, like there's an event this weekend. And I'll probably make...

Yeah, I'll probably make... Actually, I don't know. It depends how much I like watch party and stuff. but I'll probably stream Halo a little bit this week. Because honestly, I've been like by the pool a lot than not been doing anything business wise or whatever to fucking help me. But I stop streaming. I'm by the pool every fucking day. And now the sun's going away.

So I think the summer, the summer for me is over. I enjoyed it. I had fun. But I'm ready to just like lock in the next. the next like four months because I really do feel like just a fucking loser if I don't stream yeah like I'm like my my girl my girlfriend was like you got too much time on your hands I'm like I know like this is fucking it's fucking bad it's like I actually at this point I'm like I fucking hate this shit even like today I was like I'm gonna do this or I told myself I'm gonna wake up early

get there like 7 a.m and streamed to the podcast and then of course I'm wake up it's like 930 i'm fucking suddenly don't feel like it lost all the motivation but you think you are going to play halo yeah when i come back i'm gonna play halo or it's i'm i'm a stream this week um i mean this podcast will already be out but i'm a stream this week even today i was like maybe i'll stream after the podcast but then i know like for one i don't have a setup here that's gonna work or we're gonna have to like set it up or something and then scump will be on and it's just like, eh,

maybe. Dude, I don't know if it's just me, but it seems like everyone's numbers are down right now. I think it's because- Like viewer-wise?

What? Viewer-wise? Yeah. I mean, there ain't shit going on. Viewer-wise and YouTube sub-wise. Like, I've looked at,

because I was like kind of worried, not worried, but, you know, thinking about our channel, like the TST, what's going on with us? And then so I started looking around and like,

damn, like, seems like a lot of people are, except for fucking shotsy. Dog, go look at Shotsie's YouTube channel. He is crushing. I mean, his, like, top channel in optic right now. He's so special that it's like, like, you can't, you can't do what he does. Like, your POV will never look like his.

It's so just like. Yeah, but he's like being creative with it too. Is it? I don't know if he's coming up with these ideas or if he has a manager or something, but. Shatis loki like No he's smart Smart as fuck Like he's not

There's a very He plays it up sometimes Sometimes he doesn't play it up But sometimes he what did he say in the video He called it He said some word completely wrong I forget what it was Oh in the spelling bee

I don't think it was a spelling bee Spelling bee he was like reading Maybe mean tweets or something But he just read some word completely wrong and like everyone's saying like what the fuck shot he's the idiot and then like in person he's like yeah i'm just fucking trolling but it's like he trolls and it's like he doesn't let everyone know he's trolling it's just but sometimes he's not trolling yeah but sometimes he is definitely not trolling so you can't really tell he he understands his he's he's marketing himself very well number one cod pro

sneaks into diamond ranked modern warfare two lobbies 231 000 used seven days ago one v1 this verse. God, fuck, man. I'm sick of fucking, God, whatever. No, I can't. I can't think of the past. I can only look of the future and my future is bright. If I just put myself, if I just dedicate myself

to my craft. How is that, you've seen this like Halo 3 thing? Halo 3 or the classic Halo playlist on Infinite that some people are trying to do? It's like a classic style halo But on infant I don't think that I guess they

Since now there's like Ways to modify the game in the game What's that called? Forge I guess people have taken out I would have to see it Taking out Sprint Taking out all that

Taking out all the Sandbox weapons and just I just don't know how many people are like playing that Like care Because people were people were talking about that When I was playing like six months ago or whatever. But like no one, it's like,

people in my chat are saying to do it, but it's like you actually try to get people to play. There's nine people total in the population. And it's like no one. We're like, I guess people are like, I just don't think there's, there's just no saving it. And we've talked about this a lot. I just don't think the game's fun enough.

I did see somehow, some fucking way. I don't even know what it was on. I'm guessing it was on. I don't know. if it was on Apex and they modded it to be like Halo? Dude. Do you see that?

That's, that's, um, his Watson is a, uh, uh, Apex Pro and he's been modified. He's been, I don't know how he's doing it, but he's found ways to modify Apex. Like he found a way to, to make a, uh, an, what is it, Evo shield? So it is Apex, but it is modded. Right. Halo maps. Modded Halo maps. That looked kind of fun.

It looked fun at fuck, dude. I was like, this is what like, like, Halo 5 maybe should have been. But I don't know. It was a little. different the shots I don't know it looked like fun though he found a way to make a shield so like when you get

do you remember apex well like when you get enough damage you get red shields he found a way red shields wasn't the cat so like if you get more damage you get more shield yeah and so there was like unlimited I think it's Evo

I can't remember but yeah I think modding games like that is so important I think, yeah, when I come back tomorrow I'm waking up early When I come back

I think I'm going to play A though But I think I'm going to just play I'm going to be such a casual Like I'm not going to be playing grind I'm going to try not to grind ranked Unless like Summit wants to play Then I'll play with Summit Because it actually looks fun when they play

You should just But I want to do probably, I don't know. I'll watch so many YouTube videos at home and I'm like, I could just like be streaming and like be reacting to this. Because this is like actually interesting. I'm telling you, if you react to videos, it's going to, if you react to videos or like do something of that nature rather than play, you will be more successful.

And that's true for everyone streaming except for like nine people. except for Shroud Summit fucking Asu Timmy I just need to find the what would you call it like how to find these type of videos that people would be interested in

because I have sort of done that before and I'll click on a video and it's kind of boring get nothing out of it and then like look at the viewers like people have left and so there's definitely a I don't know what the fucking word I'm looking for I mean, it has to be something. There's a strategy behind it.

Yeah, yeah. And they're probably, they're probably working with someone who is like, this video would be interesting, like have a discord or something like that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I think that's definitely more my speed at this point. I definitely don't have a drive to be good or, like, compete or competitive. And every time I come back to fucking Halo, it just pisses me off of like these same motherfuckers have been.

playing. I'm getting tea bag. They're talking shit. They're beating me saying GGs afterwards. It wasn't a G. It was actually a fucking BG. And by the way, how have you still not gotten top eight at this event? You've been playing this whole fucking time. Give it up. So I don't know. I don't know if I want to come back to that. But I don't know. Maybe reaction or some shit. I mean, definitely play, but what have you been doing on your stream? So we're in the middle of doing like, I don't know why that's funny it's funny because i feel like there's nothing nothing going on like there's nothing to play i mean right now we're in the middle so we we've been doing like series lately um so our 100 100 hours of apex 2 video is doing really well it's almost 300 k views go check it out um but right

now we're doing a video series where we try to get diamond in every game and we're on valerate right now And Val is super fucking hard to get it. I bet Halo was super fucking easy. Yeah, we got it in a day. And 10 games. A day and a half. Because, well, the reason it took a day and a half is because we had to play. I couldn't buy accounts on Halo because no one sells them.

So you have to play, I think it's like 20 games before you can unlock ranked. Really? So it was a brand new accounts. And then when you get to rank, you play 10 placements. Then you get to rank. You play 10. So it took us two days. for Halo. It only took us five games for Rocket League. Like we went in, did our placement matches,

and it was over. So like Rocket, we did Rocket League. We did Halo. We did Cod. Cod took a while because there's so many hackers. And then Apex didn't take too long. And now we're on Val. And Val, I mean, I think we're almost at 45 hours or something like that. And we're Blake and Georgia in Platte 3. Blake and Georgia are plat three. So they're one away. And I'm in Platte 3. And I'm in Platte. too. People will appreciate this. Did you see, so EG won the Valorant World Championship. I haven't watched it. I think so. Did you see the merch that they came up with after they won? You haven't seen this? It's like a big, it's kind of a big deal. And everyone's shitting on it. Okay. Just like, and you can scroll to the right. I'm sure a lot of people listening will know what I'm

talking about. But that's the shirt they released immediately after they won. And it is, You can just tell they did not think they were winning. They were not prepared to release a shirt. And like, first off, who's the big, what's the big picture of the girl? I think that's Potter, right? But who, what does she do? She's the head coach. So they have the coach as the biggest face.

I mean, I don't know the, I don't know the Valerant. I don't know the Valerant culture if like a coach is like a big deal. But it's like they have the coach as like the big picture. than just like the five players underneath. And it's just like the most plain copied Valerite texts. And it's just like, and then they just released the T-shirt. They just won world.

They're world champions. And that's what they dropped. And everyone was fucking roasting them for it. Yeah, that's Potter. And I was just like, dude, how? I was like, this is bad. Well, and I'm just into drama now. So.

It's, it's, they, I've seen. put out better merch i have um come on yeah that that's not too too great you just won valerent world are people really shitting on it yeah every single reply is shitting on it like people are saying like fire your god imagine if you're the one who made that oh no people are saying like fire him hire this guy other like merch but the creators are fucking saying like holy shit you get if you know if you If you win semifinals, you got to be working on that shit immediately. You gotta work.

It's about to be 24 hour nights. I wonder how much they won. I don't know. For Valer? That's sick. I didn't know EG won. Valer. That's really cool that that Potter,

that female head coach won too. I mean, that's probably why she's the, it's almost seem like the. It's a good look too for like females in the. Yeah. the sports community she was like a I believe

she looks familiar somebody I mean people are probably going to correct me but I feel I think she's like a legend in in female counter strike really she was like the the captain of the CLG red team um that had like

Miss Harvey and oh no I forgot her name Diane whatever what's Diane's name those are like the only girls I know they were all in the same team Yeah. So like I feel like they were

Well besides Teradactal What's Sheila doing? What the fuck Sheila doing? I feel like that's like a staple. You could make a montage Of all the times we're like What's Sheila up to?

She's playing Counterstrike? What's everyone up to? She's waiting for Counterstrike 2? Dude like all the people in Halo that I've ever known It's like what the fuck are they doing? I saw Oger 2 playing Halo Infinite on mouse and keyboard with summit yesterday.

Sounds about right. So he's put... Oger, Oger 2 is still in the scene. He's with Miami heretics now, I guess. RIP mutineers, man. Some of the best ones. Not really. I mean,

never mind. I was about to go down a rabbit hole. Hey, what are you going to say? There's so many people that are just like, oh my God, rip the mutineers. The logo, it was just such good branding. and it's just, I'm going to miss it. Legendary.

I'm going to miss it so much. It's like, yeah, they were fucking, they weren't making any money. Yeah. They were, you guys are glorifying, like, not glorifying, but like, you guys are, are rooting on the failure of a business. And now, now Heretics is a gigantic name that is actually going to make money. Are they seemingly? Spanish based?

Yeah. Because I saw like their, I don't know if it. It was their heritage is like a huge Spanish, Spanish, uh, are they going to be in Cod now? Yeah. Miami Heretics is. They're all Spanish players. Oh, really? The Miami team is all Spanish.

But are they, they're a CDL team? Mm-hmm. And now they're branding like, it's like a, it's very similar to the dolphins, the Miami dolphins. And it seems like a lot of people are fighting. that as like a bad thing. I don't understand. It's Miami.

I don't understand how that's a bad thing. It's like complexity with the Dallas Cowboys. Like complexity's biggest selling point like post rebrand and everything is the fact that they have a huge connection to the Dallas Cowboys. So like why not lean into that? Now Miami has a big connection to the Miami Dolphins and also the Heretics. So like why not lean into that? You're going to be more success. vessel if people are like, oh, what are the

heritage? Or is that like a dolphins, are they like with the dolphins and more people from Miami are going to be like, hey, let's go. Be willing to like. Whereas like the Florida mutineers are going to be, people would be like Oh, is this a Florida where? Is this like a amateur flag football team

that plays at the indoor soccer stadium? Like no one. Because a lot of people go like if it's Miami, fuck it all rep it. Right. Like they're just down. for Miami teams. If they're a Miami Dolphins team, they're going to be like,

and they're a little into video games. They're going to be more willing to be like a, oh yeah, I'm rooting for Miami. I don't know what the fuck's going on in this call of duty game, but let's go Heretics. The dolphins,

the heat, enter Miami now with like messy and everything that's going on down there. Miami's going crazy. Miami's like popping right now. Like you want to lean into. I think I saw a video of Miami was like third richest,

city in the world right now. Yeah. In the world? Yeah. What? I think. I could be wrong, but I think that was the title of the YouTube video. I don't know, but I lean into, I need to take myself out of that mentality because like, at the end of the day, people are just like, damn, I'm going to miss the mutineers. I'm going to miss the. I'm going to miss them. Like, I'm not going to miss them.

See, you just. But that's not a, it's not a haters. roots with them like me but it's not a hater thing to say because it's if i want what's best for the hitch will not miss the mutineers i want what's best he didn't he doesn't care so many people probably got fired so many people lost their jobs and quite frankly hitch doesn't care i think it was a rebrand i don't think people got i mean people could have gotten fired and if they do that sucks and i'm very sorry for saying that does fucking suck but i want what's best for the league and i think getting rid of an org that doesn't have ties to anything,

which was the mutineers, is better than, or is now better with an, with an org that has ties. Yeah, it's definitely better. You tap in. I mean,

imagine a huge Spanish creators and people get involved and they're like, yo, imagine a buy is like, hey, go check out the heretics. Like, now you've got tens of thousands of people that are new fans whereas like the Florida mutineers

would never have had that. Tugar did what he what he had to do. Tugre deserves a good fucking job in this esports shit. Tugre held it down for the fucking mutineers. But other than Tugre, it's crazy seeing Tugur go like corporate. And like I was saying earlier,

it's like what I always wonder what like a lot of these other people that I like played Halo with. It's like what are they doing? Like I feel also just, having a job in e-sports, I'm blessed and tried to remind myself, like, I feel pretty secure with what's going on. And I'm like, if a change happens, I still feel like, which I don't think a change is going to happen, but I still feel like pretty secure here. I'm not worried about some change. And then I get let go or they don't need me no more or something like that.

but like it must suck especially the past like year or two having a job in e-sports and it's just like you and you say like some merger happened and you're like for the like envy optic merger people in like the envy side republic fucking shit and they got they had to sit there for like weeks of like I know I'm getting fucking fired let's take a quick break from the podcast support those who support us this podcast of course is brought to you by center CBD Sparkling Drink. Center offers all natural hemp-derived CBD beverages with premium ingredients to help you find clarity and focus in everyday life. Products include CBD, sparkling waters, ready to mix CBD, drink powders, and more. Center is perfect for any time of day and focus on providing healthy ways to

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that's got to be so stressful. And even on the flip side of that, imagine like, imagine being on Rocker and the guard, their parent company is just like, we're immediately ceasing all operations starting now. And it's like, was a midnight a part of,

yeah, midnight was part of Rocker. And so like, rocker kept going, but their parent company dissolved. So now you're like, like do I have a job you know what I mean it's like that and that shit's happening in esports all over like I whenever that that shit happened with the guard the social media manager

for sentinels tweeted like unreal fuck you at the guard and I'm I'm thinking like I know you guys have a valorant team you guys have a halo team you guys you guys have shroud taric and tens. That's a lot of money. How much money are you guys spending? And so I tweeted back at I'm like, I'll still never understand this. I'll tweet it back and I'm like, this is going to age like milk. I forgot.

I even said that. And then like a month ago, Sentinel's tweeted that they don't have enough money to keep going in operations. Oh yeah. And they were asking their fans to like for money. Basically. What? It was something like that. It was like a go. There's no way they did a go fund

me. Imagine, bro, if Optic didn't give fun me, that shit might hang. Well, that's basically, I mean, we're not doing it. I did see the Sentinel shit, though. So they, so Rocker did all that shit or was it Rocker? Like the company above them or whatever that Sentinel's was like shitting on or saying like, that's fucked up. Yeah.

Who was Sentinel saying that to? The Guard. The parent company. That's who Sentinel's was shitting on. Yeah. They're like, that's fucked up. Guard completely dissolved. I mean, maybe respect to Sentinel's to where like, yeah, this kind of, this is going to happen, but we're going to stay strong and we're not fucking, we're not going to be, I don't know, letting people go and let this destroy us.

We're going to make it through unlike the other fucks. Sentinels have announced that they will be listed on the equity crowdfunding platform start engines. Fans can purchase shares of the esports company to get equity and unique perks. to get equity yeah the company will put around 4% of his equity up for sale so you can buy

so 4% of his equity but yeah they I think they like almost they like almost open their books but like yeah you can get you can buy $500 up to $50,000 and like

that's what's going to keep them you're basically an investor yeah but that way but they don't have to go public that way so they don't have to show all their fucking income and out out come outcome I still

and I don't know if I'll ever understand it's like just think about how much sentinels is spending for shroud terrick whatever teams they have like that has to be insane and where what's the long term plan and I feel like I ask

this and then I've asked this multiple times I hear the answer multiple times but it still never computes to a fucking solution. So I feel like I have to ask it again, because here we are another year later, and I'm still hearing the same shit of companies spending this much, but they're not profitable, but somehow their CEOs are fucking making 500 grand a year,

and everyone looks like they're getting, everyone's getting fucking money, but no, they're losing all the money. It makes no goddamn sense to me. Is there some... So the rich-ass, multi multi-millionaires are throwing in like a couple million here a couple million there five mill 10 mil and they're just like i hope this turns into something in like five to 10 years and

it's just worth so much more basically almost like if you invested into a hundred thieves right when they started five years later what you invested is worth so much more if you sold your shares and they would be worth a lot more than when you first invested but is that what motherfuckers were hoping with all these esports teams like like Infinite for example someone put in a fuck ton of money for Infinite and someone got

I mean would it be considered fucked because they well they eventually sold they sold the most copies ever I think or something sorry not that infinite

it's funny this has happened multiple times Infinite ESports yeah okay Infinite Esports who owned Optic at one point. Right, right. Yeah, like that, I mean, I don't know. It's like what's the, what's going on behind Sentinels of are they, there's some like multi-millionaire throwing all this money in.

And he's like hoping in five to ten years. And I'm thinking of other shit like Paris, Paris Legion and shit. It's like, how are they affording shit? There's like two ways to make your money back. if you're, I mean, this is so funny because there's probably finance bros out there that are just like, these fucking idiots. I mean, 30 year old idiots. I have no idea what I'm talking about. But I mean, I don't really either. I just work here. But from my understanding, if you're an investor, the two ways to make your money back is for whatever you invested in to eventually grow in size and whatever products that they put out, that there will be a return or that there will be a profit in that company. How long are they...

And then you will receive profit from having equity in that company. The second thing is the evaluation of the company grows so big that you then sell the company that you invested in and then you get money based off of... You get paid based off of the sale of that company. So if you invested into Hitch's Water Company... I understand it. I just don't understand how if anyone has profited anything or... From sports?

And it's been five years. And they're just like, holy shit, we haven't seen a single return, a single profit or whatever. Like what they invested was here. And it's just been kind of like going like this. Well, what they invested was here. And are they just hoping it turned? Well, here's the thing. What they invested in was here.

And this is really good. I mean, you got to think thieves, optic phase, like sentinels at a point. Like the fan base and the the amount of eyeball. is very good. So they invest here. But then they add this much money. And it's like, how do you get the eyeballs from here to here? And you got to make a product.

Like in order to, in order to, you can't just say, hey, a lot of people are watching. Let's throw $10 million at it. And now like, how do you get all the people that are watching? So talk, let's say an optic. So there's optic. This is the green wall. This is the fan base. now an investor comes in and gives $30 million.

So now the evaluation is up here. How do you get the green wall to now make it so they... With that using that 30 mil? How do you get past $30 million using the green wall? And it's like that's where you're... Podcast. That's where it gets really sticky because like you can't, you can't keep Optic going in e-sports's current environment without that money.

but also in optics case we're not going to fucking abuse our fans where it's like hey do do this this this this this this this this this and this so that we can reach this point like we still want to make good content and stream you know and and and have good storylines and provide things that the green wall wants while also having to to at least show the path of how we're going to get there which is why things like the membership program happen

because there's no other way to I was watching a Ludwig video and he like or stream and he has a smash two smash players that are under Moist and he's in he's doing a watch party

and during his watch party he's like hey everybody go buy the merch and then he says under his breath like jokingly because this is the only way that we're making any sort of profit and it's like that's that's why there has to be there has to be something you can't just give money you can't just give give a lot of money to your your e-sports team and then be like okay now how do we receive money back without using the eye like without using the eyeballs in some sort of like product way or profitable way. It's...

How... Okay. What are people... I feel like I have friends who are like starting esports companies, sort of. And they're like getting into Halo. Like they're trying to...

Flame Sword with status quo. Yeah. It's like what is it possible to make... Yeah. For Mike? Yes. because what he what mike would do is sell status quo and then mike gets paid and then he doesn't have to do anything anymore if he doesn't want to if he wants to he can but then it's in the

like how do you ever bought it so right now he just has to build up status quo until it's from with content creators and some team but then i look at it like who would see and nothing against status quo is for any like startup esports org or whatever. Who would look at, who would look at that and want to buy it? And then it's like what, I guess they could look at it and be like, okay, this status quo is sort of built a following. People know of the name.

And it's like, this would be a good thing for us to purchase instead of completely starting our new, our just like own shit. Like let's just buy status quo. We'll build off that. Well, imagine, I mean, I guess imagine there was some sort of like, built out league system not franchise but some sort of built out league system for hcs and like because of whoever buys it like they would have like good business uh like they would know they would know people they would know people i guess and so hcs would want them involved and so in order

to get that brand name this business guru buys status quo so that now they are a part of the league. It's all like fucking politics at that level. I need to start BTH and sell it. It's harder. Hey, Hilton. I know you fuck with us. Like, we go way back.

I remember seeing you at the Hano. But it's definitely, just even thinking about trying to like start an e-sports or like, sure, I sell merch sometimes, like once a year. But like going beyond that and trying to build like, fan base and like content creators and employees it's just like god damn i mean that is so that's a lot of fucking work somebody probably a lot of headache somebody fucked this all up something's off with this whole shit yeah was there to i think the players i mean i've said it

a hundred times but the players are going to like they're going to get a wake up call in the next five years in the next three years i think of like damn we can't have six hundred thousand dollars like oh shit salaries to play call we think about e g i don't know any other salaries i don't know anything but it's at the end of a day at the end of the day it's a valerment team so their salaries have got to be up there yeah they win worlds there's high there's very little chance that e g takes prize pool money they could i don't know but there's very little chance that e g takes prize pool money for the company. So that means out of, out of that entire world's tournament outside of sponsorship deals,

you know what they profited off of that tournament? The fucking shirt you just showed me. That was their. And they choked. That was their profit. The EG players are going to be like, hey, we just, I mean, we just won. We deserve more. More. Yeah.

And that's, bro, I heard, I think it was. I was, and I'm only saying this because I've heard someone say it publicly. I think it was like Zuma or Methods or something. Said like for Octane retiring, he probably turned down like a $400,000 salary or something. And I was just like, that could. 400. It could have been like three something, but it was up there. Was it?

And I was like, huh? Dude, I was like, Octane's a good player. But that's some like. There's no, I mean, maybe he could be, it could be. I will go out and say it. There is not a single person in the entire league that should be getting paid 400K a year. What about Shotsie? Shotsie's like the only one that would even.

The only one that's bringing eyeballs right now. Bro, I know someone who, when I was on the mutineers and I've said it before. I think I'm not going to say their name. I think Doug brings more eyeballs than anyone in the league. Well, that's, say Octane wasn't getting 400. And I swear I could, I'm sorry if I'm completely butchering this. Maybe he wasn't getting 400 or for like to continue for, they wanted him to continue to be on the team and they would have offered him this or

which I don't think they would have. But it could have been 300 or say even 250, 250. I'm thinking it has to at least be 250 for Octane. And I'm like even, but say it was like 300. Like even looking at that, I'm just like, God, damn, 300 to just like show up at a, I mean, it's not just that you're practicing every day. I understand, but it's like, God, not that he isn't worth that. Not that he isn't worth that, but his name maybe isn't that.

Like, fans aren't, there's, I'm just trying to say this with like just try to sound nice as possible. But I even look at at like 300k is kind of fucking crazy for just a call duty player on a team. Octane is known in the call duty world, but I don't know how much that is like benefiting 100 bees. I'm not trying to pocket watch people. And I think that's the biggest thing is when I say that, people are like, yo, you're trying to take, you're trying to take money away from your boys. It's like, that's not the case. If this well runs dry, there, none of my boys get paid. None of my friends in this scene get paid. And all the people out that are supporting. the teams, they all lose their jobs.

So it's like, can we at least get it down to a reasonable... I just don't understand. I see some of the money I hear people getting just to do a few things and they're getting a salary or what's someone is getting to be on a call duty team and say not even an octane. Say fucking some other. player cap sidel or something.

Like he's probably making, I mean, I don't know what he's making. I would assume like, I don't know, over 100, 150. I don't know.

I could be wrong. I could be more. But it's just, I don't know. I look at player salaries and I really just have to talk about like the Octane thing because I heard someone said he turned down

like Octane must be, must know what he's doing because he turned, he probably, turned down close to a $400,000 salary. And I heard that and I was just like, what the fuck? How much money is like being thrown? And then I hear-

Rept by night media. I don't know if people know that. And then I hear 100 Thieves is not trying to pay like they were. And Nate Schott maybe even talked about, I think, on a podcast. And he was just like, this is not like affordable. Like the, like us playing, us paying the cod players this much has, This shit got insane over the past few years. And I think this season, they're like willing to cheapen up on their fucking, on their team.

They, yeah, Nate has a, Nate has a Valerent team, a League of Legends team, and a Call of Duty team. That's three franchises. He's in 100th season, in three different franchises. I cannot imagine how much money that is. Like I can't even I can't even comprehend it. That's so much. So like if you get that conversation, imagine the stress for imagine the stress that needs going through whenever.

So imagine one person on one team is like, hey, I found out how much X is making. And I want to make that's how it started. I want to make that. Now imagine doing that four times a year on five different team. Like, I can't imagine the stress. That's how it all started. Like, I think Zuma said he went from 4K a month to 20K in three years.

And that was fucking years ago. Yeah. And it only increased sense. I know someone on mutineers when I was on mutineers was getting paid 200 as their first season as a pro. That is. And I was just like, dude, what the fuck? That's, that's what I'm saying. And I'm sure it only, I'm sure now he's over 300.

And it's because it's because we. stepped into franchising. Same thing happened in Overwatch. Yeah. Like Overwatch that it franchises out. So now there's like a built out system that it's like, oh, now we're now we're super organized. So you've got to get paid this much.

The team's going to bring in this much. This is how much goes to the league. This is how much goes to the team. And here we are four years later. And now who the hell knows what's going to happen with Overwatch? Because the league has gone that far downhill. It's like, dude, e-sports, I will say it now. e-sports in the next five years

we'll get back to our roots. It's going to come full circle because no one wants to what people want to see in e-sports are people that like are the best

of the best playing against everyone. I think. I don't think people want to see this NFL NBA style shit. I think people want the FAA cup. They want to see people, they want to see the best of the best play against everyone so that the, the up-and-comers,

the people that are sitting at home thinking, damn, if I had the, if I had the ability to put in six hours a day, I'd be just as good as this motherfucker. Like, I would be just as good as him. They want to see that guy either get smoked or they want to see that guy actually underdog story and come out on top. Like that, how many times did that happen in Halo? What's, what's like the, There was like that time that team came out of nowhere and made it to finals. BTAH.

I don't know. I was like, there was that shit team in 2009 that like came out of, no, I was thinking of a different team, but I actually I think I was thinking of a Blackouts one team.

But regardless, I think conventions where there's multiple games going on at one time, I think like, especially if this Microsoft deal goes through, I think Halo and Kod

reunite and they throw tournaments together. we bring gears of war back and now there's three games going on at once and so now instead of having you like do what the evolution what evo does where it's like there's 19 different uh fighting games and so you throw them all and so all the different fan bases from all the different games come in and that's how you fill arenas like i think that's where it's going because i think this fucking franchise shit is over just when it turned into you find out how much your teammate gets paid so why wouldn't i get

that definitely fucked up a lot of shit but then i see i see people like scrappy and i'm like that motherfucker should be getting paid more than anyone on his team like the only duty the reason people are paying attention to that team or to like people like that or like people like shotsy to where like yes there is good as they are but they do shit outside of it and that's why they get paid the amount they do. Even like Odell Beckham Jr. He might not be the best wide receiver, but people know his name because of like how he acts,

what he says, his swag on the fucking field. It's like those type of players should be getting paid more, but we fell into the chapel where they would get paid more. So their teammates would be like, well, I ain't fucking, I'm not doing that. Yeah. I should be getting paid at least close to him.

Like, how are we on the same team? We're trying to win call of duty here. Like, how are we not getting paid at least close to the same? Like, I understand what you're saying, but like, I'm fucking, the goal is to win championships. Yeah. But, like, they're really, it's getting to the point where it's like, I think there is a lot more to it.

Like Shotsie should be getting paid the fucking most by far probably. Look at, look at Shotsie's YouTube channel in comparison to any other Cod Pro. Like the amount of eyes. I bet you you could add up every single cod pro in the league and they wouldn't equal a shots even. Yeah. I can almost guarantee it. I can almost guarantee it. Even just like on optic.

I mean, I don't know what dashy and the others are doing, but it's just like, I'm sure. Yeah, Shotsie, shotsie, but it's like, I'm sure they all want to be paid like that as well because they're just as good as cod players as him. but when it comes to like outside it's stuff it's like how many eyes the Shotsie get to look at Optic how many people are like fall into the optic culture because of Shotsie and like that type of stuff should be

paid well and should be very influential on how much that person should get paid I don't think people should be paid for how good they are unless only in very certain

situations like if you're a faker and you're in a culture like faker is so good that he's in a culture where they just love how fucking good he is American culture right now American culture right now in e-sports is not really like that

like that. Yeah no. Like people are people want to watch the most entertaining person way more than they want to watch the best person for sure. I mean you can look at Cod in the last four years

and just tell that like that. I mean look at Doug Sensor Martin on Boston. Boston Challengers. Boston Challenger's teams, the Boston Challenger team gets more viewership than almost all of the pro teams. Even Doug's tweets, Doug's.

And it's like that, that's just, I feel self-conscious saying it so often because I feel like a broken record. And I feel like people probably think that I'm like throwing shade at people. but I'm not. I just want what's best for the league

and what's best for e-sports because without this esports shit none of us can do that. I mean, content creators can, but like how optics build our content creation is based around our e-sports teams. Yeah, we need the leagues to be banging.

Yeah, we need the league. We need Lucey to be on fucking talking shit, hitting clips. So we got shit to talk about. And it's just like a full circle kind of thing. I don't know. I fucking,

I just, love i am biased because i love youtube and i love content creation because i think it just takes like a different brain in order to do it that's why i'm loving what shots he's doing because i haven't seen i haven't seen even even even even set even damon even crim like they never did the kind of shit that shots he's doing right now where it's like built out built out fucking youtube ideas yeah shots he's killing it right now that shit's gonna dude if he's very impressed And he's what fucking 21 Pisses me off

Doing that shit man You're gonna be bigger than the fucking That scump You're Maybe not that But you'll be up there If that's possible But the thing is

Is people downplay what Seth did Seth was Seth was screaming Six hours a day Seth was insane Seth was screaming six hours a day Winning and also uploading twice a day

Like that's just like Dude you can sort of Have what you want players are like lazy because like what I even like even living with him and he would work out he'd like wake up in the morning work out come home

eat a interpolate bowl make two videos that I'd hear him like in his room or whatever making then he'd scrimmed then he'd be done screaming then he'd eat again like clean meals and then he'd go to bed but he did that every single fucking day be like yo wanna let's just

yeah we're all going to Jersey mics yo you want to go to you know let's just do this today and he's just like no I gotta go do I need to go make these videos so it's like yo we're going here we're going I mean we didn't go to that many places but it's like if we were doing something else

that wasn't content he would be like no I got to make these videos no I'm a Chipotle's about to get here I need to just eat and then you go make these videos and I got to scrim or I would and he was always like cool about it but he was every single day that motherfucker grounded.

Yeah. And it sucks looking back because it's like, fuck, man. Why didn't I do that? And even now, it's like, I need to realize like, well, I can do that now. And you know what? It starts fucking now. I'll be live tomorrow. Even though this isn't going to go up until next week.

But it starts fucking now. We're going to turn this whole shit around. Saving e-sports. Chat last thing. Chat, YouTube, last thing. The off season, September, 23rd, 24th is a charity event in Arlington. Come down, hang out. Nick's going to be there, signing titties.

And doing, what else was I doing? If we hit $65,000 raised for the charity, Nick and I are going to do a sexy flycast calendar. There was something else as well. Oh, and you're going to be playing Mario Kart. Okay. Beerio Kart. Most importantly. Yeah.

Nick will be in the Beirio Kart tournament. Yeah, I don't know which day. you'll figure it out and let me know. I don't know which day I'm going to be there. Everyone's going to be there. Everyone's going to pop by. You're going to see your favorite humans on planet Earth. Here at Optic Gaming.

Scump is competing. Nade shot is competing. The only time you're going to get close to skump or nade shot is going to be at the offseason event. Yeah. Come hang out. It will be a lot of fun. Drive, take a cheat flight, do whatever you. It's all for a good cause.

It's a goddamn event. Yeah. It's for a good cause. but I was going to do it It's going to do it for the podcast Once again, thank you quarter ofories And center For sponsoring the stream

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