The Flycast - HECZ on OpTic, Pine Park and Success in Business | The Flycast Ep. 161

Episode Date: September 7, 2025

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I rip my asshole this morning. I was going to say, I can't wait, but I was saying I have to go get a colonoscopy, too. I got to get one because I keep, I'm a farting like crazy. That has nothing to do with nothing. Yeah, what you've been eating, man? I don't think it's eating, man. I think it's... Nerves?

I think it's some other shit. I don't know what it is. Listen, gas is a healthy, it's a healthy sign of a good gut. Mad healthy then. Yeah. I never really fart now that I think about it. It's been like crazy. I don't really far.

It's been great. To the point where I'm like, I didn't even know there was that much gas in there. Welcome back to another podcast. Wait, why am I? Welcome back to another episode of the podcast. Welcome back to another episode.

Who gives a fudge? We got Riley in our ears today. Why don't you, why don't you want them speaking? It's not that I don't want them speaking. It's just that there is an order to things. If you work at Optic, you can't,

if you work for Optic, you can't do anything that's not in your realm in a sense. Yeah. And it's not a matter of that, but some people just aren't trained. I think it's weird we're at the point where, like, people don't remember where that came from. But pre-you scuff house, pre-me,

yeah. There were a lot of mes that came in and didn't work. They were like, oh, I'm on the team now. Yeah. I can't even remember the, I'm thinking of one specific. So am I. But there was a couple of them because I remember watching from the outside.

I'm like, dude, these guys aren't doing anything. But like people used to, you know how like people would get, I saw a sports podcast. It was like once you get to the NFL, you made it. And then what separates the best. Well, it separates the good from the best is a lot of people say once you get to the NFL, that's when it starts. Yeah. And like that's kind of like the mentality. It's like once you get the optic, now you got here.

Yeah. Now it starts. Once you win 09. That's it, dude. Talk to your, talk to your sales. It didn't really start. No, but again, it's not that. It's just that a lot of people will get,

when people know that you work for optic, you get a little sort of like a, and we're so small that it's almost impossible to not feel that way. But I don't know. There's an order to think. and the second that that order becomes disorder, then it all crumbles.

And I'll fucking die on that hill and luckily nobody can't contest. I remember you used to get mad. What the fuck? I remember you used to get mad or I don't know about mad, but if like the talent had to help or was like helping production set up or something, no, don't fucking touch that.

Yeah. Like, no, they should have been here earlier, setting up or like something shit like that. And listen, I say that to the players about that, but I get my hand sturdy, maybe not lately, but I do get my hands dirty. I mean, for the majority of our upbringing, in a sense, like for the first decade, it was me helping hitch. I manned the fucking drone.

I got... Not even that, bro. That's not even what I remember. I used to... People ask me about this. I used to think back to the smooth competition shoots. And you'd be like, yo, tomorrow at 9 a.m. And I'm like, all right.

And so I just have the cameras charged. and I'd wake up and there's like whatever there is in the backyard. Yeah. I didn't have anything to do with the production or the setting up or any of that. It always just like was there. Or was it all you? Of course. Or was it June.

It might have been June. No, no. Jude was. You tell her, hey, we need a, let's get a bull. She was busier with. The back end of the business, the filing, the fucking accounting, like all of that. My brain does not work.

Yeah, I'm going to give you an example. Tell your phone to do one sit-up. Nick, that's me with fucking anything that has to do with the bad. That's a great example. Oh, the fucking business. That was a good one. I cannot do it. You know what I'm saying?

I am unable to do it. So. That's me. And I, you know what? Do many things. A lot of people would, a lot of people would probably be like, people in opposition would fucking just brag about

the how good someone is at the business that I am like I am okay with saying that I am not that and I'm actually sometimes proud to say that I'm not a business dude I mean I happen to fall on this on this role

but that's not me you know what I'm saying I don't don't it's just my brain is incapable of doing that and I say that proudly because there's probably people out there like me who are afraid to to start a business in a sense because they don't know how to do the business thing.

You know what I'm saying? What do you think your strengths are? What are your weaknesses? In the business setting? And yeah, sort of around that. My strength is that I'm not a businessman and I am going to look at what is actually important. When you are a businessman,

the important thing is the health of the business and making money. As a non-business person, my strength is that I don't view it that way. I think that the product is the most important and the money comes after that. You know what I'm saying?

Like what's good for the brand is not necessarily good for the business. A perfect example is what's good for optic, for example, I'm just going to talk about optic. I'll talk about Pine Park. Fucking doing great right now. It's fucking

doing incredible things. There is the business side of it, is the selling of the cannabis and the THCA and all the products that we have. And what's on the other side of that is the machine that turns it, right, which is the media side of it, with the YouTube, the content, right? And because I am an expert in this sort of program, I feel very confident running the same program over and over and over again. for Pine Park, is it better for the brand to open another store or is it better for the business to hire another camera person?

Ah, okay. You see what I'm saying? Then you go camera person. I go camera person. I go every single time here. Do we need another accountant? Do we need another camera person or do we need another content creator? Do you know what I'm saying?

Yeah. On the business side is we don't need neither of them. We need less so that we can, you know, make more money or make a, you know what I'm saying? Save money, essentially. Yeah. So that's where I'm good, I think. I'm good that I, whatever is better for what's in front of the cameras is the number one important thing. And then sometimes they don't align, right, with the expenses.

Can I ask you a relatively tough question? Yeah. When you get to the point in business where you know. you've run out of options and like you got to do what's necessary. Like when you come to that realization, is it like daunting? Is it like fuck? Like we either got to get rid of this. We got to do layoffs.

So we got to get rid of what is something like that. Yeah. Is it like a daunting feeling the moment you realize that it has to happen? No. And yes. And you know me. I'm not a big fan of, I'm a fan of being as transparent as possible. Yeah.

In terms of what is going to allow somebody else out there to want to do what we do. Right? All of the, and I was talking to Roger about this literally either yesterday or the day before. I'm going to get to that. I'm going to do this big loop around there, right? But it sort of falls within the same thing. I was talking to Roger. Okay.

Hey. Hold on, on, on. We're going to take up. He was like speaking and getting rid of people. Speaking of getting rid of people. That's what it is. No, no, no, no. no no um wait riley can you

riley can you turn me up a little bit i'm like i'm sorry i'm like a little i can barely hear myself and it's kind of making me all right all right we're good we're good oh yeah that's better better so i'm just listening to hex i'm like he's high shit i did take a massive bond grip so i i am i am going to be doing big loops around certain things when i heard that i was like yeah he's he's hit that yeah but but it makes sense in my head and i want to be as i want to explain as much as i can So that you understand like my, my feelings. Roger and I were having this conversation about the quality of the stuff that we do is awesome.

If you take the video wall back there, it allows us to do a whole bunch of things, right? Is this what's supposed to be in the back of the watch party, which is our, you know, one of the, sure, because it's the higher quality thing and you can offer a higher quality. Here we have just a couple of TVs, right, the 380-inch TVs, I think. And 50 trophies. Damn right. but in the back of that you see like a wall. Like it's, we should never get to a point to where it's so professional

that people are going to be discouraged to say, well, I don't have a green screen or, oh man, I don't have a fucking A7 S mark three or whatever. These are all bought on the marketplace. The books, aside from ours,

like whatever. The jerseys. Yeah. I got the jerseys. So. And you earn that. Yeah. So in the matter,

in the matter of, transparency, that's what I mean on that. But talking about the daunting stuff, that's business, like, behind the scene stuff that doesn't necessarily have any, not importance in the real world or things, but importance in what this sitcom is or this show that you guys are all watching, which is a show in which a couple of people get together, they play competitive video games, that's the show, right? It's happening in real life.

and it's real sports, and it is, that aspect is serious. But it's also serious how we cover that, right? When it comes to letting go of people or parting ways for business reasons, I don't think that that's necessarily something that the audience should, you know, have any insight into or, how do I explain? It's like, it's daunting because it's families. It's daunting because it's people's jobs. It's daunting because although this is a show.

Yeah. based in a reality show, it does get affected, but some of those decisions is what's best for the business. Right. You know what I'm saying? Yeah.

Like, if the business side of this thing can't operate with these very smart and qualified people, then we have to take a look at us. Okay, so who goes? Is it the people in front of the camera or the people behind the camera and what is the importance to the whole thing

to make sure that nothing changes. Yeah. And because, and I'm not saying that people behind the camera, I'm on the business side of this thing, so I'm also behind the camera, the Rogers of the world, you know, the pages of the world, et cetera. We started out as a YouTube team, right?

And therefore, that should always be the most important thing because that's what got us to where we're at. the second the business people say well we need another VP or we need another fucking manager or this and the other that's when you start to sort of see the the imbalance so to bring it all back is it daunting yes but the courage of doing something that you don't want to do in some cases because of a decision that you didn't even make right the courage that you get in doing that very bad thing that you don't want to do is the fact that you have to protect what's the most important thing in this thing. And it's not just our lives.

It's everybody that is so invested in what Optic has become, Slives also, you know? Because I know what it felt like when Brendan Dunn walked away from the complex sneakers podcast. You know what I'm saying? I don't know him from fucking Adam, whatever the fuck that terminology means. I've had dinner with him. We've interacted, but he's not like a friend of mine or he's not like a, you know,

YouTuber colleagues. Right. An acquaintance. Yeah. But I was so invested in that podcast because it allowed me to learn about sneaker culture. I mean, I've always liked shoes, but there's like a deeper subculture in there. Should I care if it was a business decision? Should I care if it, you know what I'm saying?

Yeah, yeah. So I'm so invested, the same way that everybody here is invested in us winning championships and making sure that we're covering the right way. Like, I have to look out for them also. And that is the number one job. The number one job is, are they affected? Yeah. You know what I'm saying?

Because if they're affected and something happens externally or to this community, then we don't get to do what we love for a living that luckily they want to watch us do. And because of that, I make tough decisions with the most positive, in my opinion, obviously two different lives being lived, where I'm like, man, this is for the logo. Yeah. Yeah. I think there's some people that see their name on a paper and where it sits and they, that's what they ride or die by. And which I guess in the real business, in the real world that are in the business world, like a wheel company like I said, or like a law firm or something, like whoever is above

you on the paper, like they know. They tell you what to do with the wheels. They tell you what to do and they, you know, seemingly know more than you do. Yeah. And they worked harder and or longer. And they're better. So, but in e-sports, or especially content and esports, what we did, it just wasn't that way. Going back to the thing, like, you know the difference, right?

And because e-sports is so young, there's so many people that are out there calling themselves experts doing, you know, a bunch of, like, different shit. In 2016, I stopped doing panels, right? And it was... Unless you get paid for them. No, no, no. I don't know if there's work let me know I did a panel but anyway keep on it yeah no and it's not even about

whether or not but I found myself I ran into somebody and somebody is like hey man you know this dude I'm like no he's like no yeah he's like he said you know he's um you know he did a panel with you and everything he's shown me he's legit and I'm like I've never met this person in my life maybe I shook his hand on stage

but not that and then I realized I'm like man people are legitimizing I'm legitimizing people who are just in it for a different kind of reason. He's just one of those hustlers. And there's nothing wrong with that you're a hustler. You do what you do. But when the person's like, oh, you know, I'm talking to him because he showed me that he was, you know, your guy and shit.

And I'm like, I've. Yeah. And I stopped doing panels because unless I knew who. It's kind of how that whole networking shit kind of goes, huh? Yeah. Some people are just so good at it. And in order to be good at it, you got to be kind of, not slimy. But you got to be a hustler.

There's something like a little awful. Yeah, you got to be like, I'm in the room. I don't care how I get in the room, but I'm in the room with everybody. Yeah. And then the people who earned their spot to get in the room are kind of looking at that guy like, how is he always here? And you don't want, I never want to be that guy. So that is like my biggest fear. Like convincing themselves to get, not convincing themselves, convincing others to get into that sort of position.

Yeah. What panel were you on? I wasn't on a panel. I misjudged it. but I, like, did a speech for college, or college e-sports athlete stuff like that, but it wasn't a panel. Wait, did you tell me?

Did you, was it like, like, go to a college? I knew about that. Yeah, yeah, it was like a college. He probably did tell me. College, college e-sports conference in Minnesota. See, it was actually a lot of fun. I didn't realize how to Google it. It's not online.

It's not online. I guess we're, I guess we're on YouTube. I guess we're on to Davis Hitch Edwards, University of Minnesota. Yeah, see, it's not. online anyway. Damn. Wait, so what was that like? What were you?

It was really dope. I think you told me. Yeah, I think I said. I probably briefly went over it, but it was like, I didn't, it was an opportunity that came in. I was like, hey, we have this opportunity for you to go give a speech. 20 grand here. Yeah.

Not quite that, but I was like, oh, sure, yeah, like, cool. And I went there and it was like, I didn't know what it really was, but I, you know, I had the speech prepared. And it was like a whole conference of athletic directors for e-sport. So like colleges and high schools That were or or coaches High school coaches high school High school athletic director

E sports directors college coaches college directors Jesus E sports and there were like 200 Fuck 300 people Oh I couldn't do it It was actually like Couldn't do it I mean it was a I gave a Yeah so there it was actually like a It was the seventh time they'd done it

I had one uh I had one uh I had one picture somebody took because it was really funny because I was supposed to me. I had to make a slideshow and like the first picture I took or somebody took of me, I'm up there on the podium and the slide shows behind me and it says, my name's Davis, I'm really bad at slides shows. And I was like, ah, and Rogers said it to me. It's like this is most hitched thing I've ever seen. So was it like a bunch of people trying to get into e-sports? No, they were already like, well, this motherfucker is in e-sports. No, they were already in.

They're already in e-sports. It was like a, I guess, like, lower level. Those people trying to grow their e-sports department, legitimize it for the boards of the schools, and then also like, you know, get the student awareness and get more players and stuff like that. So that's kind of the route I went as like how you should view e-sports, you know, in a setting where, you know, in order to make it more fun to watch or more fun or, you know. The thing is, is like, if by any reason, anybody that's, like, doing research in e-sports, like, just check the person. It's the age of information, you know? Like, if somebody's saying that there's someone, go ask chat GPT if they are, who, you know what I'm saying? Like, how far do they really go?

Like, it's still early enough. It's still small enough. And, and again, anyway, I've never used Chad GBT. Am I behind? It's stupid. It's like, I can't even use Google. Replace Google is what I was going to ask. You know, Siri?

Mm-hmm. But like, is it just going to give me info I don't care about? What the fuck? Is it longish? Like, yo, this guy thinks, this guy thinks that if he opens up chat GPT and stares at it. I don't even know how to open it up. You just click on it like a fucking app. Click on what?

It's an app. ChatGPT. ChatGPT app. Yeah. Okay, you click on it and then you just type. Let me think of something. You just type like this, right? So every time I'm on here, we're talking about AI.

Best way to find girlfriend as 34-year-old male. Watch this, watch this. Right? And then take a picture. Who is this? Who is this? This is me. How can I get a girlfriend?

It's going to do some research. Dude, just use it. I use it for my plans. Wait, you took a picture and just said, who's this? Yeah. What? bro there's no way see it said i'm sorry i can't it like google and syri don't do it for me anymore like i can't if i google shit if i ask syri something she has like a 70% like success rating

my dad never seery either clide which is my child gbt that's what i call him he never misses never hexes just miss i had no idea who you were he was he was he was Hitch Hedgars better known online as HitcherR. Or simply Hitch. It's a well-known content creator and creative director of Optic Gaming as well as a member of the group Team Summertime. According to famous birthdays,

Davis Edwards is the head of production of VAR optic Intel associated with Optic Gaming and maintains a YouTube channel and then his alias, all his info, important notes according to your instructions. Anyway, I use for my plants. For example, right here, plants.

Watering tips. But do you already have like a tab? like a save. Yeah, it's just tabs. Yeah, like, uh, don't read some of those, but like,

uh, uh, uh, uh, things to do in Houston. Boom. It gives you like all this shit. It goes events.

If you want to, it gives you everything instantly. It gave me workout, workout plans. Yeah. Meal, how to, how to cook.

Put in. How to regain focus after stopped, stopping using Adderall. Or maybe just how to how to form a sentence. It can do that for you. How to regain what is it?

Oh, I was, somebody asked me for some other shit what's the best way to regain focus after years of Adderall abuse? Oh. I don't know. After a decade straight of. That's a really important sense of a question.

First of all, I'm not a doctor, but I can tell so that. Work with the doctor or psychiatrist. Therapy or counseling. This is bullshit. Hey, whoever's editing this two times this. Nutrient deficiency checks. With a squeaky voice.

I mean, look, it's split up in the three of parts. Medical and professional. Brain and positive healing. Nutrition and supplements. Lifestyle would have a patient. It should say take this. Instead. And get that back.

Take this instead. Start with this. Imagine and then a little fucking robot arm comes out of the bottom and just feeds it to you? Do you think that'll ever be a thing? Or, no, like a fridge. That'll. never ending yeah

like an actually never ending fridge or a fridge that like you click the little buttons and it kind of like cooks up some food for you he doesn't smoke I'm on the you know what you know what's actually funny is

Pine Park or Josefo asked me to be on the Pine Park podcast and I was like you don't have to smoke that's really fun I'm like because I think they are like I've seen some episodes and I know they are a good YouTubers

Wait, what the fuck? Riley, you are. Oh, there it is. The number ending thing. Yeah, there it is. I was so lost. I was like, what the fuck? But he asked me to be on the Pine Part podcast.

I was like, ah, I don't. I don't know if I could. I was like, all I do is smoke THCA now. I was like, I know y'all are going to be smoking. Like, I'm afraid like. No, it's THCA. Everything that we smoke on camera is THCAA. I just have such a trauma with weed and being in public that like it just still haunts me.

Like, I'll be on the podcast. It'll be good for like 10 minutes and then I'll like start kicking in and then I'll just start getting weird Dude the end the end it's funny because I was smoking on that podcast Especially if they're smoking real weed and I'm gonna start no it's it's never real weed Well it THCA is real weed dude. It's weed. THCA is I mean it's the same as weed Here I can say this I ran out of weed Probably I don't know two months ago or something all I've done is smoke THCA where'd you get it from? I

Pine part. Okay. Are you sure? Yeah, no, actually. And ever since I, ever since I stopped with THC and started smoking with THCA, my anxiety, I thought you were laughing. I thought I heard like, he'd said that shit. Did it?

Or maybe it was right. Ever since I started smoking THCA instead of THC, like my anxiety at night when I smoke, because sometimes it'd be like a 50-50. Sometimes I would smoke and just be like, fuck, I say I had a podcast the next day. I start overthinking it so hard. I'm like, I'm going to fuck this up. I have nothing prepared. I have no questions.

Fuck. Like, what some of the shitties did? What can I talk about? I start and I just start like freaking out over not just like one thing, but it's just like everything. I'm like, fuck, I eat like shit today. And just like, God, how am I still not? How am I still not shredded?

And what am I going to stream? And it just starts spiraling into like that kind of like negative mindset. But since I started taking. THCA. It's the percentage of me just feeling good and playing chess or watching some chess videos or something, it's so much higher because I don't think I get that whatever it is. It's like the THCA doesn't have like the psychoactive feeling. But you, but you're still like high.

But it doesn't have that like extra spark. No. That makes me, like when I was doing the Eldon ring stream, I was sitting the THCA pin. Okay, that's different. That's a pen versus flower. Yeah, but I was still just sitting there like on stream hitting it talking. Like if that was, if that was, I don't want to say real weed. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Condentation to it. Condensation to it. But like, yeah, when my out and ring stream, I was hitting the pin and I was just like, wait, I can actually like sit here and talk and still play and function. And it's just, I don't know. I honestly think I might be stuck on the THCA wave. Listen, without switching back. I don't know how to explain this to you,

okay, but I smoke every single day. And although, and I, hold on, hold on, several times a day. But listen,

and although I, Pine Park is in my portfolio of businesses, all of the, all of it, all of the managing, all of the sourcing, all that is Hosef. So I was literally right now out somewhere sourcing cannabis.

Off the plant. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So when I'm saying this, I'm telling you, and I know it's very biased, obviously, but I'm telling you, I was just in Chicago smoking THC, period. And the difference is nonexistent to me. And I do it every single day. Right. It's a... There's a difference to me.

Yeah. But it's a more... It's a positive one. There's a difference to you. The same way, there's a difference to me. I don't smoke pens because they just don't do it for me. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, pens.

Like they don't get you high enough? No. Not only that, it's just... When I do dabs, dabs is a different sort of, you know, headspace that I'm in. Flower is the only one, and maybe it's because I've been smoking since 1997,

took a brief break after that in... Incredible panic attack that I wish I could re-experience the exact same way to see if my body My body today can handle That level of of anxiety because it literally shocked me and I couldn't smoke for Have you ever fucking half a decade? You've had to explain that story. What was it? Did it involve shrooms? That was a different one. I don't know I don't know if I've heard your weed in panic attack It only happened once. Oh

The one that made me quit for for a minute was we were in Mount Prospect getting a haircut by this dude named Corey. You guys remember Corey Fades, right? I don't remember the name, I think. Okay, all right, whatever. We just got a haircut. We were right next to a Toto Reese's in front of 3-com. It's a factory.

Mount Prospect, you feel from a mom. You guys know what's up. And we were in the Intrepid. And my boy had an alien head bowl. It was a bull, right? You know, a bowl. Right. but the bull was attached to a valve on not too much different than this one maybe a little bit thicker

no it was like this and it was attached to the bull right and it was like hitting a shisha like a hooker yeah yeah so I'm pointing it at the person that's lighting it and it's an alien headbowl I can see the eyes and I'm like I don't think that I hit it and as I'm saying that all of this the widest The widest plume Of smoke You've ever seen And I'm like

I'm like I don't think that it's hitting And it's like I'm like I'm like And in that moment My brain fucking freaked I was like Oh my God

And as I said Oh my God It's still coming out And it was like An endless amount of smoke That was coming out of me And immediately 15 seconds

My nerves started In my head I'm like My nerves are shocked My legs started to itch A little bit And I fucking puked It was just weed

Just weed Yeah it's 19 or maybe it was like 2000 so it just hit you immediately 15 seconds do you think it was because you held it in so long or do you think at that time you maybe we're in like a bad negative space because with mine I feel like it's not like I hit it too hard or it was some like it was lace with something I think I was just in a really bad headspace at that time yeah and then I stopped smoking weed for a little just because every time I was smoking it was like negative

yeah and then I started again at the TLN took like a couple hits of a blunt and I was still in like a bad headspace it was just a rough time in my life and then it just just sparked something and it was just like a 16 hour full blown

16 hours that's all that's mental I'm telling you it was insane that's mental it's maybe it's mental but it was physicality yeah of course of course but not for 16 hours Yes. No. I'm telling you. Didn't you say it? Like I should have went to the hospital. Clutch was there? Yeah. I talked to Clutch about it and he was because I've heard the story. And it wasn't a medical. I was like how bad was it? How bad was it really? And he was like he was in fetal position the whole night on the bathroom floor, right? Bathroom floor? I mean, I went from bathroom floor. I can't remember if I tried like drinking beers or something. I think I was like sipping a beer trying to like calm it. Was Clutch? And we. I don't know, we can cut this. We need to.

Was clutch a cop at the time? No, I don't think so. Oh, okay. I thought that's why they didn't call the cops. He was already there. No, I was thinking about calling an ambulance.

Or like, not calling an ambulance. For what? Did you want to get laughed at by the paramedic? No. It was like, what drugs are you on? I was going to have them drive me.

I was going to have them drive me to the hospital. And honestly, I, even, how long ago was that? Say, even fifth. even 10 plus 10 15 years later

I still almost think going to the hospital would have been the best thing for me Y'all don't give a fuck No I do I just disagree Because if I would have went to the hospital They would have been like okay you're having a panic attack Here's this take this it'll calm you No and then that would have

Now is you looking for pills That's how you're brain's a way That would have turned it from like a two to three hour freak out instead of this fucking like 16 hour night and hell waiting for my heart to explore. I don't know.

Listen, first of all, weed is not for everyone and maybe you just had a different thing for it, right? Like, or your brain chemistry

just, obviously. I used to love it. I loved waking up, smoking, listening to J. Della. Then I'd get in my car, smoke on the way to the gas station, get eggs,

potatoes. Boy, talking to my. They love sausage. And it was like country potatoes too. Oh, of course. But then I'd get that, get like some snacks, come back, probably put on like a rat battle, smoke again,

eat my food while watching a rat battle. Then by then it's like 10 a.m. Then I go back to sleep. Listen, here's. Then I wake up and maybe like go to work at like 1 p.m. or something then like scrim later that night. I just loved weed. Yeah, I mean, what's their not to love?

But saying that, I also have to always like, in case you are under the. age of 18. You shouldn't be smoking. And this is not even like a legal thing or an illegal thing. You should let your brain develop. Like I was, I was 17.

Knowing what I know now, like I wish I would have waited until that was 21. If I wanted to even experiment with it, right? Because it's not for everyone. It's not an necessity. It's not going to make you better. Even though, you know what I'm saying? Like, I don't know how to explain it. I am not telling you to go out there and try it.

especially if you're under the age of bored him a little bit but yeah I agree I've thought about it before like what if I never dabbled into any kind of like Addie Benzos weed alcohol until I was like 24 Yeah

Like would my brain like develop I would have been more I would have been shredded I would have been so bored I would have been shredded unlike last fucking night I got my meal prep yesterday ate my meal prep all day

Wasn't Wasn't hungry at all but it's like 11 p.m. almost midnight and I'm like, fuck, I'm not really going to be able to sleep. Or I don't sense myself falling asleep anytime soon, so I open DoorDash.

Keep in mind I'm not hungry at all. I order some general sows Chinese with some fried rice. We're not Kungpaw? No. General Sos with just some fried rice. Six veggie egg rolls or veggie spring rolls.

Yes. and then a pumpkin spice it's almost like a donuty thing but it sucked it was horrible and then it was horrible no I took one bite and was like wow this was a waste of 12 bucks it was a pumpkin cheesecake I think some kind of bite

but it was not good like it was so dry and just shit and then a cream filled damn yeah dude sounds like One of those, like, steamy buns they made? Yes. But it was, like, filled with something. And those were terrible, too. So I didn't even eat those.

But it was like just a $50 door dash order. Midnight. And keep in mind, the thing about it is... Midnight? The thing about it is I wasn't even hungry. But I was high. Oh, you were high. Yeah, dude, I...

Then I took an edible. I have to... I can't have weed at my house. I have a... here but I don't have okay it's THCE THCA I don't have it I can't keep it in my house because I was

I'll Cepo gave me like a pack for a pound no like a little bag of edibles for for in the summer when we did the sub-aathon because it was one of our like the THCA gummies yeah and I so I did like

the sub goal or whatever I took two two gummies and then did a stream and it was fucking crazy and then my shift would be like two whole gummies yeah that out a lot no it is a lot it was it was a lot it was a whole lot uh but i my shift was like 11 p.m to 7 a m so then at 7 a.m i i would get off stream and then i would be like so i would take it gummy and then i would try to take and go to sleep or i would confess myself i was taking it to go to sleep and then i would just order door dash and order first watch and get like an omelet just extra shit you ever just get i always i feel like

Every time I dooredash, I always have to get extra shit. Yeah. Because I'm like, like I ordered a this place called like Village Burger. Boz was like, me and Bose was sometimes just talk about food and like what to DoorDash. And he was like, yeah, order a burger off Village Burger. So I ordered a burger and fries. And then I was just like, this is just not going to be enough. Like this is a normal meal.

And like anyone else, it's like, yeah, burger, fries, you're good to go. So I got a, what was it? Some kind of like almost chicken parm. Is it is it a pinini? Yes. Like a pinini and a burger? Like this, yeah, like a sandwich. Like a chicken parm, pinini sandwich thing.

Yeah. So I got a burger. I got that and I got fries. And I can't remember if I got something else. But I always have to, if I door dash, I feel like I always got to do extra. I'm trying to train. Because I can't, I can't finish the meal and like I have to be completely chopped. I'm trying to train myself.

I'm trying to only, I got my, like, my factor meals now. I'm trying to just eat those. They are good though. They're really good. Especially when you're... No, I'm kidding. No, I can't guess it. Because if I'm high, it's not enough food.

Well, listen. If I'm sober, I don't want to... I hate... And I don't hate it, but it's like when we get too deep into it, like I start to become uncomfortable because it seems like a...

Like we're pushing. You know what I mean? Oh, yeah. But we're just having to make you sure. We're just having a conversation. It's a podcast. It's a five-pack. I know not to listen, man.

Pinepark. That's shop. I should be an advocate for THCA And I need my own strand called I'm a pussy I don't think that would sell Listen It's just a

Not very strong Plant like take it back to Hagerstown Brown Let's take it back to the 2000 and fucking Oh guys You know what that the Hagerstown Brown Shytown Brown like you know The brickweed right

The brown shit The best shit when I go fishing in the mountains of Mexico, the mountains of Sinaloa, there's like different areas. Anyway, it's probably the most beautiful place on earth, man.

It is the most beautiful place on earth. And the weed that they have, there's like backyard weed, right? It's like it's not, you know, grown on their lights and, you know, they're not as potent. Chemicals.

Several. First of all, there's no chemical. Any other weed that, if you're buying from a dispensary, there's not only, There is there no chemicals, but it's probably the cleanest thing that you can and again never you know I'm not gonna I'm not gonna continue on with it but anyway Don't do drugs do you guys want to go let you guys go fishing

Yes, it's three-day listen hold on hold on stop stop stop stop stop let me finish Right she's the prestige goal yeah that one no that's she see that's Chi wawa yeah looks those are the copper oh my god the copper canyon Uh, but but actually go up a little bit really You see how there's like a mountain range and then there's a mountain range behind that mountain range Yeah. Well, behind that mountain range, you can still see that there's more, like, on the upper right-hand corner. Like, bro, they go as far as the eye can see. Huh.

Would you guys ever go? This is the way there? Yeah. To fish? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I'd go. I'll take a trip.

Let's go then. Hike. Let's go within the next. Is it like a bunch of hiking and stuff, too? No. No, no, no. You just drive. Let me tell you, let me tell you how it goes before you even decide to, okay?

We, we fly into Mexico City. Mexico City, we take a flight to, And then from Masatlan, we take a four-hour drive in a van up to the mountains. And yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But once you're there, you are greeted with these these margaritas, bro. I don't even know how to explain them to you. You get greeted with margaritas. They give you breakfast, lunch, and dinner.

And you are literally on the water with no service. The only service you have is when you come back to. the to the compound. It is the most peaceful, most relaxed time you're going to have. It's you and nature. And if you get lucky enough to hook onto something, once you put your hand inside of a wild animal's mouth to take a quick picture and you gently put it back to where it needs to go,

that adrenaline in the middle of nowhere, like brings you back to something. that you need to experience. Like something like ancestral. Yes. Yes. And I haven't gotten to experience anything like that. Like I've never killed an animal. You don't want to.

Unless you have to. I don't even feel right about catching fish, but people make it seem not as bad. Like, they can't feel the spike going through their fucking. That's what we, that's what fishermen tell. Listen, if fish could make noise, they'd be like, ah, If fish could make noise, it would be the, it would be the most daunting sport ever. And there wouldn't be a lot of fishermen out there. We used to go fishing and we would fish to eat.

And so you cats. What are they called? What are the ones that go croakers, I think, or groupers? I can't remember. It's been so fucking long. Carp? But they would, it was. Cropy?

No. Panfish, Riley? It's saltwater. Yeah, so regardless. Oh, salt water. Yeah. Okay. and

they would go and them choking. Catch them and you put them in the freezer and you close the freezer and they would

croak until they were no longer croaking and me as a kid I was like like I was just staring at the freezer my granddad's still like

my dad's because I don't get my my dad but then we go back and my mom and my grandma would clean the fish and fry it up we used that night. He did that night. I am the biggest hypocrite because I would never go

hunting but I would take a selfie with a fish that I just fucking hooked just for my own. I mean I wouldn't say that's the same on the same level of like shooting the fucking deer's brains out of scalp. You wouldn't shoot them in the little different. You wouldn't shoot them in the head. First of all

fuckers probably do. Or can you eat deer, brain. You could eat everything. What animal brain would you eat? I have eaten beef, cattle. Cow brain? Yeah.

I've never eaten brain. I don't think I've had brain. Squirrel brain? Never even, never eat your brain. What brain would be the best brain? Human brain? Guys, come on. I don't know why this is a taboo

subject. If, did you watch the There's not, did you watch the fucking around the bar with Alex Botez? No. Bro, she's crazy. Why?

I can't even say the shit that she was saying. Wow. It's already out there. Yeah. I got to watch it. Don't ruin it. I got to watch it. What minute mark do you know?

I have no idea. I have no idea. Anyway, this is, so probably tastes good is what we begin to. I was about to go down a very, very sad route. Because I was going to say, like, I would see one of my dogs in the animal that I'm okay. And I just reminded me of fucking Henry And I just got really sad

Do you cry on the optic pod? No. No, I say it fast enough. But he literally said, nobody talk, let me get it out. So we all just listen. Because I wanted to,

I wanted people to know, right? Because they did see him sort of grow up. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, he was optic. Optic. He was on the fucking watch. Hey, hey. Hey, I'm not talking about that shit.

All right. Yeah, yeah, yeah, fuck it. I know pussy Dude It is the worst thing ever And you know what's crazy is that Like when my Schofield My best friend

Yeah When he passed away Like I was fucked up for like I was fucked up for like a I don't know I would say like a week But this is like the second week Since Henry passed

And I still feel it You know what I mean He was also just so big His presence is just everywhere When you're there When he's around you know he's around. Oh my God.

Where we, when I'm out of town, Jude brings him to the room and they all sleep in the room. Not in our bed, but they all have their space. I would actually love to see that. And then,

just six fucking little beds. So that's how he passed in his sleep while they were all in that room. Anyway, Benji, who is the second biggest, the golden doodle, the alpha of the group.

He's just too smart, just inevitable that he would be the alpha. bro i woke up uh like fucking last thursday and i'm looking for benjie and then i look at him and he literally has henry's fucking toy in his mouth and i'm just like ugh yeah i was like i told jude i told jude get him a fucking dog immediately dude like that next day the next this day after like mace pass i remember i was just like walking in the kitchen and it hit me like a like I fell to the floor like on some like hallmark channel shit fell to the floor and it was like a good 45 seconds of just like ah and then like and then like

and then I got got it together but I was just like fuck man I can't believe I can feel that like I didn't even know I could feel that way I didn't even know it was still in me like shit's crazy dude Yeah, I remember you keep like some blankets and stuff with his scent. Yeah. I went back and smelled, um, smelled Milo's blanket after like a month after he passed. And it was just like, it was so weird because I was like, oh, my God, this is him. Like, this is his smell. And it's just like, just instantly, I cried so much.

And of course, just going to TikTok. You just see dog fucking other shit. I follow everything. It's just, you didn't even think with. would remind you, it starts reminding you. I follow so many, like, greyhound rescues, because, like, when I had him. Yeah. And there's so, every time a black, like, greyhound pops up on my feet, I'm like,

oh, dude. And the thing is, is, like, obviously Mace was here, majority of the time. But for months at a time, we would be in Arizona. So the first time I went back to Arizona and I'm just there. And luckily, Alexis' mom, bless her heart, had already, like, cleaned up all of his toys and gotten rid of all the beds and stuff. So that wasn't there, but I walked into the house and, like, I remember he would, that's, we had a door, like, there's a door that he would, like, bark at and I would make him bark

before I open the door. And the door was already open. And I was like, fuck. Like, I just had to go through it twice. It's hard. Feelings. Bro, I remember after my breakup, it was, we had two dogs, Chewy and Charlie. And the initial plan was like, she'll take Charlie.

take Chewy and then I was like I don't know even even when we got Chewy I was like I don't know if I we had Chewy and Milo and I was like I don't know if I fucking want this guy he's just shitting everywhere shitting on the walls the fucking worst puppy ever then eventually grew up Milo passes away and then Michelle Michelle was like I'm gonna I'm gonna go look at this dog at the at the pound and I was like no I was like you're not getting another dog like no like I'm actually gonna be piss if you come back with a dog. She comes back with a dog and I was pissed because I was

like, I'm the man of the house. You listen to what I fucking say. That didn't work out. So then now we have Charlie and Chewy broke up. She took Charlie, I took Chewy and I was almost like convincing her. I was like, would you just want to take both? Because like, I don't

know if I like, I love them but it's like, I don't know if I want to fucking do this. But she was like, no, I definitely can't take both. That would be fucking hell. Now I see it like God that would have fucking sucked for her. And I sure as hell wasn't taken both.

But now just being with Joey alone for it's been like nine months or so. I'm like I can't imagine like not waking up with him. And it's like I I've always liked dogs. But I feel like I haven't had like that special

of a bond with a dog. Man's best friend. And right now it's just like I don't know. I just like he's still so young and I just look at him like you're gonna get old. I see his like whiskers getting longer. Hope he gets old. I hope he gets old.

Because that shit. And you never fucking know. So I try to, I feel like I give him good days every day. But I don't know, man. I see, I see,

God, man, if something was that happened. I have no. Let me just enjoy what I have with him now. That is the only thing that like, I just like keep something. I'm like,

you know what man? They were fucking spoiled, fucking rotten all of them. If I could, like, come back is one of Jude's dogs if I, you know what I mean? And live the cushiest of lives.

But yeah, if you guys are serious about going fishing, I will call upon thee. And you would be two of ten people going. I would be down. We have to learn Spanish first? No. No. I need a fucking trip somewhere. Well, I want to say

I need a trip. I'd just like to go. I got to get my... Do you have your passport? My passport expired. Okay. So you don't have your passport. But I bought, I think I all have to do is go get a picture and then send it all in with my old passport. Do you have a passport? Yeah. All right.

All right. Well, let's make this. I'm not to make that happen. If you look at that little island like Lake Piccachos, Piccacios I fish there too. Bro, look at the mountain ranges, bro. No, I'll go up right there. No, down, down, down, down. Down left, down right.

There. Are we doing this before the new cod? Sorry. When is the new cod coming? I was just thinking for the race to prestige. Second week of November, I think. First week or November like 9th or 11th or something like that. I was just thinking the race to prestige because I had a 14th second.

I had a fish with goal or fish with hex goal. Damn, you still have. Dude, can you believe that shit? And a marathon. You still have race to master prestige? In a marathon. A marathon? You're about to do the second November 14th, 2025.

I might have to just do like a walk. seven hour marathon do a do a hitch yeah just start at 4 a.m. just go just fucking go when is

November 14th I'm fucking sick of these fucks always getting a new cod I want to see them squirm I want to see him just play the same shit in a couple years

you're going to spawn into battle creek with an AR and a pistol and you're going to be living life no just live in life playing against I don't know what's going to

with Halo in a few years. Just next year, I don't know what's going to happen. You might have some Intel. I think APG has a little Intel as well. Oh, does he? But it's not going to be anything great. I don't want Intel anymore. There might be something going on, but it's not going to be anything.

I don't even want Intel anymore. Because if I have Intel, I can't talk about it. But if I don't know shit, I can talk about it. Yeah. So I have heard, I have no Intel, but I have seen the Charlie Intel tweets saying that Halo one remaster is coming out. Oh, yeah. Well, how do you feel about that? Boring.

What would you rather have? I don't know. A new Halo. Like, we can't go back to Halo 3. We can't go back to Halo 2 anniversary. It's already been made. No one wants a fucking retry a Halo forward. Like, there's nothing we can do besides a new Halo with a Battle Royale.

And I guess this next year off and then working on the game, maybe something like that will happen. So, I mean, it's just time will tell. Time will fucking tell. Yeah, even if it's not a battle royale, something. So just a Need a new haylor I think people people get upset There's a bunch of people that get upset

There's a whole community People that get upset When you're like This game would Needs a battle royale And people are like Better Real does not need every It is a

But I don't think the arena shooter The gun on gun game Is gonna like It needs something It needs something else It doesn't have to be about it It's just a different game mode It's the same game

Just a bigger free-for-all Or a bigger TDM It's not a it's like Battle Royale is Team free-for-all With fucking 50 teams Or whatever It's true

So it's just a different game Search and Destroyer with 50 teams I mean there was big team battle Imagine that How the fuck would you do that There was big team battle 16 versus 16 It's kind of almost fucking

Yeah but you need like You need like a I think you need like a hundred people Like a battlefield Like a hundred Dude Just ghost banscheys Warthogs

I have foam ranks. You can spawn in as Master Chief or like kind of like, so I'm thinking of Star Wars Battlefront. Yeah. You spawn in as master chief. And now you've got three times as much health and you're just, I wonder if they could, no. Well, I'm not even, I'm not even going to get myself excited. Something crazy I thought about, though. If the new Halo comes out in 2027, we're assuming late 2027, I will be 36.

and then so by the time by the time the next halo ends like say there's an HCS season with like three four seasons I'm gonna be 40 at the end of the next halo and then guess what man and then

bad you know fucking life happens what do you mean bad shit those would be my peak years let's hope so 40s I feel like I'm listen I'm gonna tell you something okay I know I'm gonna ruin I feel like I'm kind of

I'm gonna, I think I'm gonna, it's more like, very slight. Hopefully I'm not ruining the movie for you, okay? But there will come the time when you wake up and you don't realize. That you're gonna be 50 when the HAL-E-Lens? Yeah,

it's not even that. It's like you're gonna wake up one day and you're gonna have two pinch nerves on your feet, one on each side. And some days, I work with myself. Some days you're gonna wake up and they're gonna hurt more than others

and you're gonna be limping as I was the last time you saw me this fucking foot. The shoes that I gave, James were the ones that always betray me. Nice. I like that out of you. Yeah. Now he can injure himself.

No. I have a different foot. I can't wear ones anymore. Like if it alters, if it puts too much pressure. Can't wear Air Force ones? I never wore Air Force ones. But if I put, if I put, if I put too much pressure on that one fucking pinched nerve, it takes me out for like three days. Is it just your foot right now?

Or is it you got back pain? Not a nothing. Thank God, nothing. Scrotum's good. Fucking, everything's good. Luckily right now. My blood pressure, they were worried. It's down.

They weren't worried. Like, holy fucking, you're going to have a heart attack. They were like, hey, you know, keep an eye on that. No more. I mean, I still keep an eye on it, but it's not what my hypertension at the time. And at the time, I was in the middle of, I mean, I'm still in the middle of, but you know what I'm saying. Yeah.

That's true. You know, so the stress is stress, man. I think I need a colonoscopy. No, I'm... I rent my asshole this morning. Shitting. I was going to say, I can't wait, but I was saying I have to go get a colonoscopy, too. I gotta get one because I keep...

I'm a farting like crazy. It has nothing to do with nothing. Yeah, what you've been eating, man? I don't think it's eating, man. I think it's... Nerves? I think of some other shit. I don't know what it is.

Listen, gas is... Passing gas is a healthy sign of a good gut. Mad healthy, then. Yeah. I never really fart now that I think about it. like crazy. I don't really far. It's been great to the point where I'm like, I didn't even know there was that much gas

in there. Well, there isn't. You create it. If you drop an Alka-Seltzer tab on a water, it creates it. I've been dropping tabs, I guess. Yeah. A lot of times. And it's been creating it. Dude, I'm telling you, time happens fast. Nicholas Mania Kersner. Yep. So yeah.

You are 100% going to be 36. I am 1,000% going to be 50 I'm 45 right now I'm about to be 46 in a couple of months 10 years since 36 year old female You got lucky as fuck genetically he's tearing it Oh yeah

Look at the hair I live my hair grow so that I can do this Do you do any uh Do you bleach your grays Or not bleach your grays? Do you darken your grays? I just don't really see many grays I don't but you see grace

I see something No I don't touch I don't touch I don't believe in that shit You just like your genetics Do the work You don't believe in it Because you got good genetics No

You got blessed No no no no No like I I know people who have The second that grace started coming Dudes mind you Started dying their hair And shit

A lot of I mean Tens what age Tush was talking about it last time He was like Like his hair started thinning Yeah And he was like

Immediately he's on it I don't know what he's And now his shit looks Fuller Yeah now his hair looks really Same with James James James is thinking the same thing

James I'm putting everybody on blast. 25 year old James. 25 year old James. Yeah. I mean, even me. James Stombeckers. I've been asking questions about it.

Let me see. The top of my. Yeah, I'll tell you. I'll tell you. I'll tell you. Damn. No, you're good. You're good.

You're good. I know because all of my friends. Eric, Carlos, Jimmy, Opie, Jermaine, Jory. All of them. Angel. Bald. Damn. That's where I'm afraid that's like,

Here I can't believe we've only had one only big timer I guess hutch both well I Bowe's always has a hat so I never know if he's ball or not I I haven't seen his head since 20 2018 2017 probably 2017 probably but anyway what I'm saying is everybody's getting old man Okay spend your time wisely do nice things don't get into beefs you don't fucking Yeah I was about say hutch as well And the pod with some advice for the Ute.

For the Ute. For the Ute in them. Of course it's just like not a smile or like it's just like a Oh my guy. He's such an internet guy. His pose, every single time we took a picture, his pose, him and Dizo would do like they will close their eyes while they take the picture so it looks like they, oh, it's like, oh, we cut him with their eyes closed. When are you going to get him back? You got to bring him back from the realm. He's gone.

He's fucking. Once you enter that realm, just let the door closes. It's like, just let the door close. No, no, he's got a full set of hair right now. Right there, I'm making fun of him. Like, do the thing where you close your eyes, dude. That's skump hoodie. That's funny.

Is that a fucking Henry shirt? No. Dalmatian. Damn. Damn, I don't know my. My God, bro. All right, so obviously, like, I, we'll end it on this fucking thing. but everybody sent their flowers and you know whatever thank you

thank you guys yeah you're welcome well obviously page sent it for everyone you're welcome and she sent us like she sent us three pictures all of us with henry one is live hugging henry one is Jude hugging him whatever bro obviously I lost my shed everything it's all last week fresh wounds bro Shay's wife shea works in our partnerships apartment sent a water color painting of Henry.

And it was the most Henry picture ever. I was like I, bro, what an artist. What an artist, man. I felt it's like, after I went to the classics, I had something in my eye.

Yeah. Wow. But man, the amount of a thing, like a lot of people wished obviously everybody of the green wall obviously you know it was it was heartfelt everything about it but it was man that

that one particular painting I'm like I need to I need another one for my garage yeah amazing artist Blake gave me one too of Mace whenever that happened oh my God Blake sent me pictures of my Henry when we were shooting the shit remember when we shot the oh my God

yeah another time and I don't want to say man fuck you but I kind of wanted to him like wow this thoughtful like who would have thought the most heart heartwarming gift could bring so much not pain because it's not pain right I mean obviously it hurts but it's not hurt pain

it's like you know what I'm saying yeah anyway that's all I got to say about that yeah yeah so we drop some some dimes of wisdom in this can I close the business thing down yeah go for it on the business end and all of what we talked about, I try my best to do what is, what I believe is what's best for this thing. And sometimes I'm going to look like a bad guy. Sometimes I'm going to look like the good guy.

You know what I'm saying? But at the end of the day, like I am trying my best. I'd never read a book on how to deal with fucking dudes, not just two of them. but fucking 24 of them who all have their own ambitions and their own creativity and their own way of looking at things. And we've done a really good job of sticking together for a very long fucking time. That's something that we should all be proud of, right, as friends and colleagues and doing this shit. But I do give people warnings, right? Like, Optic is not a place for you if you have feelings about things.

Like, we're going to do things my way, period. And if you don't like it, you don't like it. I tell people this might be a toxic work environment for you, but we are in competition every single day. There's other esports teams that are doing the same thing that we're doing. There's other sports teams with teams. Right? There's other people with camera people.

There's other people doing everything. Like we're always in competition. And in competition, we have to do our best. Period. Okay. Amen. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

All right, guys. I appreciate you watching this episode of the flight cast. We drop some times of knowledge. ahead and I hope you guys took notes. Shout out to Hax joining us, man. On such a late notice. Straight out the garage mall to the work studio, man. We appreciate

you doing it. Next week, we got a boy, Money, Mark. He said he's got some shit to talk about. Oh, shit. He was supposed to be on today, but his stummy was hurting. He didn't get good sleep, but tuna sandwich, he's nauseous. Bro, I'm telling you, I can't remember the last time

that I called Off of Work or Off of Content because I was my Tommy. Your dummy hurting. Or I was tired. I didn't wake up or I stayed up late doing a 24-hour marathon. I still came in. I still came in.

All right, Riley, play the outro music.