The Flycast - HECZ ONLY REGRET WITH NADESHOT & OpTic | The Flycast Ep 76

Episode Date: May 23, 2023

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Are we ready? We ready. Welcome back to another flag. We're good. Welcome back to another podcast episode. Today's a special one. Finally you left. For y'all.

Yeah. Thank God. The planned out episode, we texted Hector four days ago and said, listen, man, we really need you. I wasn't totally just having a meeting with Hitch. This might be. I was sitting here. Hanks sat down there when we were talking. And then he was like, why are you here?

and I was like, fly cast, he was like, I want to do it. And so we gave him a mic. Yeah. This works out because on the way over here, I was like,

and it's almost like I do this every week. I kind of do it with the optic podcast as well. Like whenever I have to show up for podcasts, I'm like, what are we going to talk about? The optic podcast, though, I can count on you are good at just going.

Going about something. So it's like the optic podcast, you have just other people that it's like, that they got to say something. but when it comes to me and Hitch doing this every single week I'm like dude what if anyone saw that last week I just had you would be like there is literally nothing you have to say why because it's just the last week was probably my most boring

and unproductive week and forever well he tried to he saw that I was running four miles and he was like I have to run four miles now yeah so then he ran four miles at an 830 pace or something that good yeah it's fast fuck it's going you're going hard And then he stopped and he was sick for a week because he pushed himself so damn hard. I was sick for like, sick of what? Well, for one, it was a mushroom Saturday. I went to Oklahoma, took mushrooms, came down.

Everything was legal. And then, so I took a little bit, walk out in the sun, get warmed up. Then I go for this run. I got music blasted and the streams are hitting a little bit. And it's not like I'm like tripping. It's just like it. You take a little bit of it. It's like taking the, yeah, so move stable.

A little, yeah, mood stabilizer. So I'm kind of killing it in the run. And then I just start feeling better and better. And I'm just like, I don't know, the music. And I was just like in the zone. Like I just felt really good. The sun's blood, like every, the, the grass is moving. Yeah, I'm running.

I'm running, I'm running shirtless. I just, I just felt, I just felt good. You cut the ladies fucking. Yeah. I actually do a little bit. Do you work out? I think. You don't work out with your girl?

Uh, we, that's what I, wanted to ask today but you you finished since starting this 60 day stuff no because i started going to a gym and we used to always just go to an apartment uh our gym together but before i fucking lose track um and it was hot as fuck this day sunny as shit i hadn't ran in forever like months or something because i like hurt my back hip knees i hurt my hip at the optic event where we played basketball like we were done to the plane horse or whatever yeah and i was like trying to dunk at the end and i literally hurt my hip i was like down for the count you forgot you were 31 and shit yeah it was it was bro it's crazy um but after being injured out for two months after that and then i start

running again but i just felt amazing pushing myself hard as shit and then i finished the four miles and then so i'd like two miles to walk back to my apartment but i finished and i'm like oh my god like it was a feeling like it was almost like uh i think i want to tell myself i feel good like that was amazing and for a second i did i was like damn i just fucking killed that fuck yeah taking selfies posting on instagram but then like as that high started wearing off i was like damn i don't feel that good like i just not not in like a puking way just like a like i'm in the sun too long or something like that type of feeling and i just felt worn the fuck out well it's also the your body processing the mushrooms

Yes And then the crash From the high of the Was it capsules or did you actually Caps? Caps? I just You know, guess My guess works usually off

When it comes that stuff It's like you know Let me just in case This one might be a dud Wait did you weigh it? No So you don't know how much you took No

Was it like less than an eighth? Was it just a It was less than a gram Like it was yeah It was just like a Not a Not recommended it?

Maybe, though. I mean, no. I've never done it. I don't know. Never done it? I'm wondering if there's like medical benefits to it. Watch? Of course there is. Have you next to?

Exactly. That's why I don't want to say people to not do it. And I don't want to say don't do weed, but I was going to talk about weed as well. Yeah, I saw you post that. You're like, it was a perfect day for me to sit at home and smoke weed all day, but decided not to be a loser. And I ran outside and I replied with a smiley face or laughing face. I got to talk about weed as well because on that same day

I wasn't feeling just right after the run probably 30 minutes after the high goes away and I'm sore I'm like oh my God I can't even move my legs I start feeling like shit I was like whatever man

I'm just I'm a smoke I'm a smoke I'm a smoke for the first time in months like four months so I drove back to Oklahoma I smoked just a little bit like three hits or like roll a blunt and like take three hits and no man that's why your mistake

happened nicotine i mean i guess there's a little bit in it not a little bit like it like it anyway sorry maybe i mean maybe it could be a mistake um be after the run go smoke and then i just didn't fucking feel good i just laid down i was tired muscles hurt and everything then an hour later goes by him like the high came down just a little bit and I'm like I'm a smoke again and then an hour later I'm a smoke again and I was like dude this is this is me this is this is the old knee act I'm lazy I don't want to say like I'll talk about it in the video my 60 day video because it was planned for like a perfect diet yeah perfect diet we'll just see in the video I guess but it made me literally not care like I ate a oh oh not anything too bad, but I did have, I just definitely overate on calories because these are like my final like two weeks or whatever. Over eight on calories. Fuck that part up because I'm supposed to be like counting my calories.

And it's just the way I felt the weed, I just didn't care. I was like, fuck this. I don't give up. Like it was like one of those attitudes. Like completely like changed my thought process about like this fucking challenge. Everything you had done for 50 days. Yeah. Why?

And then I don't know, man. And then the next morning I woke up at like 6 a.m. And I'm like, fuck, my legs hurt. I didn't feel good at all. Like, it felt like in my girl's name, like, I think I have a fever. And then it's like, I'm placeboing myself. Fuck, I don't feel good eating. Like, it was just.

You start shitting yourself? Yeah, like, I'm placeboing myself to just feel shittier. Me too. But I woke up at like 6 a.m. And I was like, fuck. No, I need to go back to sleep. Like, I feel like shit. so I smoke go back to sleep

wake up I'm crank I have no energy and it just started an entire cycle of me smoking for a week straight nice I still was getting my workouts in that's what I was surprised at that at the it's good it's I can't believe better I like no not not not working out high working out high is fine but I did I was surprised

that because he canceled the flycast yeah that's why the flycass is late we're recording this is the first time paycheck also no no no no no no We did it. We postponed it. We did it. I'm kidding. This is the first time we've recorded a flycast while another flycast hasn't even

gone out yet. Oh, nice. So there's one coming out right now. It was just a few days ahead of the game. Yeah. But yeah, I just, oh, and that got me for that. I didn't smoke for like four or five months or something. And but when I was smoking, I wasn't getting that anxious.

So I was like, this is kind of nice. But it was making me so fucking lazy and just, it just makes my muscles tired. It makes my muscles tied like Not me Just every I don't I don't know I don't get it I don't I get like I don't think I can do weed anymore

Yeah It's not even like hungry like same It's not like I want to eat it's like I cannot It's like I have to eat Like I need it I need it Yeah That needs cleaning

Then you need to take that in to get clean The chain For sure Yeah I want to clean both Yeah. I've been working, I've been running with them on, so.

Yeah, I, like, when I get smoked, I only, only strictly get in a movie, like, creative and also, I need to organize shit.

I can't, I can't, if I sit there, that is the, listen, if I sit there and, like stone and I'm, I'm,

I'm watching something, I'll be like, I'll start getting antsy. Really? I'll start getting antsy, and I'm just like, except for Maverick. Obviously,

the greatest action movie that's ever been created, Top Gun, you know, TopG? Yeah. Top G, G,

Navvrook. I still haven't seen it. But yeah, like, I'll get in these, like, if I, if I just put on a podcast

or if I listen to Van Nystad and his theory of work and how, and like, I'll be fucking good. I'll be good. And I'm just like doing something. But to sit there, I did have like a one week stint

in which one of these bad boys made it into my, into my office. And I could not get off of it. I didn't, I didn't, I literally would smoke. and then just lay on this thing and just laid back.

I watched the entire season of the Sopranos for the first time since it ended. Really? Yeah. And I was just like... Yeah. Not in one sitting? Throughout that week that I didn't do shit.

And I was just eating good. I felt like... I just love eating. And I don't... Like, I went to the doctor. I went to get a physical. Prostate's good. Nothing there.

They told me I didn't need to get a colonoscopy until later, but I'm going to get it anyway. I just but they did say like my cholesterol was high they're like they're like it's not alarmingly high but like you know you're 43 you need to like you need to do do any cardio or anything

and I'm like nah just never been my fucking thing and he's like he's like oh is there a reason I'm like I have a fucking dope ass gym in my house dope ass treadmill I got like real weights I got all the dumb like I want to see your gym let's do a come to a workout

I'll do a workout with you for your vlog you don't have a vlog You're not streaming anymore? Well, I was gonna, dude, I'm telling you my, well, we've talked about like streaming, just got, it got so stale. Can I ask you something? For real.

Like, you gotta be like a mega millionaire, right? No. To be taking these. Trust me. To be taking these freedoms to not make money. I know, man. And last week was the, I've streamed pretty much every single day this year, except for the Colorado trip.

And except last week. And it was just like, I don't know. I was just getting annoyed. I was tired of like doing cardio doing this and working out. Then I'm cooking every meal. And then I don't know. I just fucking. And then I started smoking weed.

And I was like, fucking, I'm not going to stream today. I'm going to take like a two-day break. And it just like, it transformed my, it just brought back old niac a little bit. Me smoking again for a week. My favorite knee-ach? No, definitely not your faith. Maybe. but yeah

it just brought back this lazy just it's like it changed the way my brain thinks 100% and like it didn't make me bro I woke up today I woke up today and weighed myself

and was like I got to go yeah like I immediately went to the gym I was like I can't fucking fail like there's only you got so close there's like four or five days left in this video like I've come too far like

I'm going to literally walk around this entire city today. Walk to the gym. I was going to walk here, but I was already already a little late. Maybe in the, I don't give a shit. Whatever it has to be done. Tell them about your pinkies. My pinky toes? He's all.

Are your feet so fucked up? Both my big toes are black. Really? You don't have to show them on. Matt, cut this side if he wants, but I want to see. Does put my side? Oh, my God, bro. Damn.

Even your, you're, you know. your ring finger. Yeah, the ring, that one's gone. Was it, that's more from the run or? The walk. The walk for sure.

And then the 10 miles definitely did it. Bro, listen, I'm going to tell you something right now. Take care of your fucking feet. Gout man over here. Listen, well, I have a theory.

Okay, because my diet hasn't really changed. And my exercise routine hasn't really changed. What did change was the fact that I'm not wearing those, those Nike, the best socks ever, the Nike compression. from like 2014 where I bought 100 pairs

because they were my favorite pair look great on fucking feet but they compressed they have like elastic around this part of my foot and I think that combined with me cracking my toe inside of my shoe is what generated all that or snapped it into into a place or cracked it

into a place that allowed for the crystallization of the uric acid to be formed around my nose dude I have my favorite pair of socks that I run in are like the Yeah. Like compression on top. So good. Do you ever plan on being the ripped rich?

Is that an actual something you envision? A one. Yeah. Yeah, I'll tell you what. One, and you're the only person that has ever asked me that question and you asked me this question a long, like a long ass time ago, like a couple years ago. You're like, you're like, now are you going to be the 40-year-old ripped CEO? or are you just going to be like you? I have wants men.

The reason that I would, I mean, aside from the health and being here for a long time from a kid and my wife and all that stuff, what I really want to do is I want to be able to wear white t-shirts with no problem. That is the hardest thing. I'm going to tell you something. I'm going to tell you something. There is something to be said about how big of a flex it is to be able to take your shirt off any day, any, on call. I think that that is the richest form of being a human

to just be able to take your shirt off. Be a man. Oh yeah. And a woman. Take your shirt off with a sports bra on. Has to take so much. Courage. Especially for women. That's all people think about is their bodies. That's all they are always thinking about. Same. How do I make my body better? That's how I've started thinking too.

Yeah. I mean, I've been doing YouTube for 10 years. I've taken my shirt off zero times. Zero. Dude, I only take my shirt up when I went to swim in my house. Dude, we did that. I remember in Infinite Video, we went surfing indoors. Shirt stayed on. Yeah.

I think everyone's shirt stayed on. You took your shirt off. Yeah, I never, I mean, I was always. But even when you were big, you would take your shirt off. Because you were never really big. I was, yeah, I was never like. Not like big, but like not. Yeah.

Like, I hadn't gone to the gym first. It's a little flabby. I would, I also. say that I would like to be, you know those like hefty dudes? There's no jiggle, but you can, I mean, they're obviously fat dudes, but there's no jiggle. I'd rather be that than what I am right now. I get you. And I'm not saying that I'm like, I'm like bad, but it is, you know, I'm not, I'm not

where I like to be. I think like dad bod with big arms is a good, is a good love. The other thing, though, is that if, if I lose, and it's not even bad, I just, I'm two, 12, that's all this morning. I can't get more than that. And if I could get to like a 190, which I was 196 when I got COVID. Damn. Yeah.

If I could, so I'll send, does anyone have code? This, was it real? Can anybody give me COVID? I'm kidding. I think it'd be good. I just think like, look, my wardrobe right now, my, my fits are limited to just this. You know, I'm not wearing my endless amount of suits or or buttonups that go for, you know, strictly that. So like, you know,

I would, for fashion's sake, I would like to lose a couple of pounds. It's so much easier to fit into, obviously, fit into anything. Like, if you're fucking skinny, you can wear anything. Even me now, I completely went through my closet, throw away, well, not throw away, I don't know what

I'm going to do with them. But there is like 10 pairs of jeans that don't fit. Hella t-shirts. Like, I don't know when, but I'm just big now. And I, like, like I thought Hilton was the same size as me. No.

He's like, he told me he weighed 177. Now, now. Now. I mean, he's been up there, but he goes running with fucking page.

I look at him like he's the fucking same as me. And how am I like, no, he's 30 plus more pounds than you. Dude, in the scuff house, I wore a medium. Like my gym shark shirts,

they were all mediums. Yeah. Everything was media. And now like I'm an Excel, like basically. Are you? Well, I'm a teeter. This is why I always buy a large and an Excel.

Because I don't know. I have the dopest fucking Call of Duty old school 20 fucking 12 pack a punch t-shirts. I have all these dope-ass t-shirts that I cannot wear. And I'm just like, they're not going anywhere because I know one day I am going to be able to wear that stuff. I saw your, I think you replied to me or one of my stories and you were like, let me know when you need a real client or not fucking. Well, I said, if you need a good test, because I do believe that I don't, I have discipline. I just don't have the discipline for fitness. It's never been fun for me.

It's never been like a lot. And I love eating. That's the other thing, right? I think I wish that I didn't grow up in the household that I did because I wouldn't have been exposed to the fucking deliciousness that my mom cooks. But I think that for a video, or for a video, I totally would. How long would you want to do? Like 60 days? or like 90 days.

For the rest of my fucking life. I mean for like a... I worked out for 40 years. Here's what I mean. I mean for like a vid or something that you would like obviously you would once you start, you're not going to stop. But like you would want to do it for like a challenge type thing or like see where you can go. No, I mean I have three months to lower my cholesterol.

I'm one of the, I'm a groomsman in scumps. I'm a groomsman in Nate shots. Jack's losing all this. fucking weight. You have lost a lot of weight in the last six months. Just so, like, it is noticeable. Who, him? No, you.

Yeah. Because I haven't, like, I mean, I see you all the time, so I don't notice it. But Alexis, last time she was, or she saw you, you all, like, saw each other. She was like, he looks like he's lost a decent amount of weight. And I was like, yeah, he is, he's on, all these weddings coming up. So he's working on it. So it is noticeable. But, yeah.

Is that dieting or? I can't. Yeah, I just like, I know if I showed up at your house at fucking 6 a.m. Like, I know you'd be down to work out. But it's the diet that's going to be. The diet is the hard. Well, that's the thing. I was going to ask you to give me like, because I don't, one, I know that if I tell Jude, I'm like, I'm like, babe, fucking make these fucking three meals for me.

I, and this is all I get to eat. I can give up soda. Like, I don't even drink soda. coffee, I don't drink coffee unless I'm having breakfast. Breakfast, I'm only committed to having breakfast on fucking Saturdays, but even on Saturdays, like, I can, like, I don't have to eat the way that I do. But what are you eating at like 8 p.m.? When you're in your movie theater.

Nothing. What are you eating at 6 p.m.? What's your final meal looked like? I try to stop eating by 7. So I, I inadvertently intermittent, intermittent fasting? but how do you say it? I intermittent fasting? Intermitt fasting?

Okay. I don't know. If you guys know, please do correct me in the comment section. Anyway, so I inadvertentered, like I don't go out of my way to do that. Right now I am going out of my way to do that. I even bought an app, but it's really not doing shit for me because I thought it was going to tell me what to eat and shit. And like I'm 14 minutes, 14 hours, 32 minutes since I last ate something.

Right? And right now, I'm not hungry. And the reason why is because this fucking stupid TikTok, which isn't that stupid, some guy's like, he's like, you're not, like, what's the last time you ate because you were hungry? Someone told me if you, or I heard somewhere that unless, if a steak and eggs sounds good, you're probably hungry. But if that doesn't sound good to you, like, you know when you're like kind of fucking full, but it's like, damn, some, a little bit of ice cream or there are those things. three cookies down there. I could easily eat those.

Would you want a steak and eggs? Like something like, no, probably not. Then you're not hungry. It's a good way of thinking. It's a good way of, I never even thought about it like that.

Yeah, I tried. The whole, like, I can have a little bit of, I can have some chips and quack. Yeah. I can have some chips also.

I can have chips. I think that 89% of the day. Yeah. If I, if you see me, most likely, I could have chips in case. Yeah.

Chips and guac. Like, like, right after a meal or something, or like maybe an hour after a meal. Yeah. And you're like, say, laying down watching something.

Like, I could do chips and guac. For sure. Chips and casso. But, like, maybe not, like a chicken breast and rice. Maybe not that. Or steak and eggs, like you're saying. All right. I don't want to talk about fitness because I want to talk.

But this is, this is our entire. Dick in your mouth. All right. Our last like three podcasts, I feel like. We go through. Our last podcast was literally only talking about. I remember one podcast. All we did the entire time was talk about rap the whole time.

I also were my favorite ones. Yeah. And I was like, as much as I disagreed. I was like, it's just a fly guy. That's how it is. It's just like as whatever we're into, that's what we're going to talk about. Yeah. And that's, uh, people like it.

As a fan, because I do watch like religiously, were you looking at my gut? Were you? Yeah. Well, how fresh. Got my attention. It's like, dang, he's fresh again. What is that? Um, I don't think.

you guys should worry too much about what you guys are talking it. It's when you guys talk about it that you take me out of the podcast and I was like, ah, shut up, talk about nothing, please. I get that. Are we the Seinfeld of podcasts? Are we? It's a podcast. It's a podcast about nothing.

It's a podcast about nothing. Because what is the deal? I have never seen. Are you guys Seinfeld fans? I've never watched it. No, me either. Comedians in cars getting coffee? I have watched this.

I like that used to be in 2020, that was my safe show. That was your shit. That was my safe show. When you were crap. I just been up for three days. I get in my bed and it's like, I need smiley, fucking happy cracking jokes every now and then. Like, I need a good vibe. Yo.

But no, not deflated. Listen, I felt, so because of my rash, they gave me prednisone and they gave me 50 milligram dose or 50 50s every day for five days. Let me get something. Bro, it fucked my fucking brain. I felt what I believe was depression. I felt

what I believe was anxiety. Wait, they gave you what for what? For my rash. Steroids. Prednisone steroids. I didn't know you had a rash. Steroids and also they gave me something that was 10 times stronger than Benadryl and I was taking them both. You know how I asked you earlier? I'm like, you don't like making content with me?

Yeah. Bro, that thought came from that week. I'm like, yo, Hitch never asked me to collab with him. What? I was like, and also, also, I think it was because, like, I'm starting to get the feelings right now. Like, I'm starting to get tingly about it. Also because when you, when you FaceTime on your video, you FaceTime, when you were running, you FaceTime and all these people. And, like, I contact my friends.

And I remember FaceTiming you and you ended up picking up. So I was just like, oh. Yeah. Dude, that's crazy. I know, I know. But, bro, I'm telling you, my brain was like. your brain. Yeah, like, I even feel like emotionally right now, like, I feel that way right now.

Because you face time me at mile 26 and I was like, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Dead. When's the last time you, like, took it? No, I don't take it anymore. I'm never taking it. When I had the rash, like two weeks ago. Oh, shit. So that was while you were taking it.

Yeah, dude. I'm telling you, it was the worst thoughts I've ever had. And I was just like, it made me no bullshit. And I know I'm a fucking prick for it. Like, it made me understand a little bit how what people go through. Because in my head, it never computed how somebody who, didn't grow up the way that I did could feel bad about anything in the world.

You know what I'm saying? So I was like, I was just like that and I was just like, it changed, it didn't change me for it. Like it didn't change me for it. Like, it didn't change me. But during that week, I was not me. Like, I gave you a perspective of,

a perspective of someone who like, maybe some Twitter sad boy. Bro, yeah, nah. Or maybe me at times. No. Well, yeah, you, you, you definitely at times. That's how I think a lot. Yeah.

It's like, like, I'll forget who my friends are for sure. Because like, not in like a bad way, but in like, I feel like I'm like not deserving or like maybe I'm like, like I don't, I get so like caught up in my own thoughts. Like even when I'm on Seth's watch party sometimes, and this is probably different for you because you've known Seth for so long. But like sometimes I'm like, I don't want to say something wrong because I don't want it to seem like I'm using Seth's platform or like, you know what? I think that shit. I think it with Jack too and I'm really close with both of those guys but every once in a while in my thoughts

I'm like dude I hope these guys like like like me it's so weird it's so weird I kind of feel like I felt like that I mean I've only been on the watch party like once but it's it I was saying would if that watch party would have happened back in like the scuff house days would I have thought that I feel like I wouldn't have I don't think I would

because it almost seemed like this seems like it is a show it is a show but this seems like a show show show to where it's not something we got going on to the scuff house because i feel like in the scuff house i'd walk around freely if someone's streaming or something like i wasn't even afraid to like pop in and now it's like i don't know did that change a little bit i don't think so i i mean every life just changed like we're not living together anymore we're all living separate we're at an office like i don't want to like pop up on ran it like if i'm not on the watch party probably what's up chat

Yeah. Like, what if Scott wants he was trying to break down this? Like, I just, I must stay over here. Listen, it gives me. You should never, you should never not interrupt. Because they like to see, like,

the cast. Yeah. That's how I think. And that's why they like the, like team houses back then so much. Because it was like, it wasn't a, you got to go?

No, no, no. It wasn't like a real. Jude went to bed at five. I got up when she was going to bed because she found a tiny. little bug on one of the dogs, she had to bathe all of them. Anyway, sorry, you're saying? You should, you should, you should always, always interrupt.

I never not go out of my way to interrupt a stream because I know that somebody back there is going to be like, oh, shit, like, I, I see this thing from an optic, from an optic, from a fan perspective, and it's like, we're living like a fucking very, very weird fucking life. Even talking about it right now is the sort of thing that I wouldn't want to hear you guys talking about on the podcast because it sets it sets it sets it apart but in reality they're witnessing a fucking reality show of how we're building this thing into something you don't know what I mean so that's why I'm I've always been all about like you did say you did say you put it into

perspective this week for me because we're always talking about bringing on different people and hiring different creators but we have you would have to have someone that fits the sitcom of optic yeah is what you'd say I think Zinney fits very well. No, Zen fits well. That's why he's on. Dude, motherfucker. How's Reddit looking?

I think they've calmed down. Whoa, whoa, whoa. We don't talk about that. He says the R word, man. Both of them. What was that do for you? This is a sparkling CBD. By the way, this podcast is brought to you by Center's Sparkling CBD.

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I guess. I mean, I hope they don't want me to like not mention weed with it or something. No, I mean, it's pretty good. It does something for you. You can actually feel it. Hitches drank it before. Code Optic. I think it's code Optic 25 at checkout.

Yes. To get 25% off your first order. Yeah. Look, I think, again, the fact that it's the only, I don't want to talk about it. Yeah. Or the plants and how magical it is. And how it might be an alien plant because no other plant out. But anyway, yeah, I wanted to, I didn't want to, I haven't talked about that with that.

I haven't talked about that with Jude. And I'm like, yo, I legit, like, was getting jealous of nothing and making shit up in my head. Thinking, thinking, eologically, why the fuck would anyone, like, like, her life would change drastically. You know what I mean? If that happened. You know what? I was thinking. If you started thinking the way?

No, if she was, like, hollering at somebody on the side. Oh, oh, oh, oh. For her to risk, like. I thought you were talking about me walking. No. Yeah, that, I mean, that was part of it. but just like I was thinking so illogically that it was like I was not me

like and I was doing that in Ohio while I was doing the watch party in Ohio so I was going through all that in you see why keep looking at my fucking I for some reason I'm looking at your button and I don't know I don't know because I don't want to just like when you look over here just like stare in your eyes

I just like give you a glance then this stare at that fucking belly that's a weird thing like eye contact isn't it right when you looked at me at there are moments in which you're like there are moments in which you're having a conversation there's a science behind it

I mean just like for some reason humans know like an amount of time you can look at someone's eyes like and then you look away and it's fucking you know what I'm saying you know why right is because the amount of connection

that's happening like when you're having a conversation you're looking and you're thinking am I over staring at the same time that you're having a conversation? Something triggers your brain that says there's something going on in there. Are they thinking the same thing that I'm thinking? What are they looking at?

What are they really thinking? Am I supposed to? And then this whole thing happens so it's easier to just look away. Just both parties are just doing that. I don't have a problem with that. Me either. I kind of do.

If I think about it, then it gets like... You just reminded me of the reverend in Deadwood. Have you seen Deadwood yet? Have you seen Deadwood yet? I don't deserve it. I saw the fucking movie you watch, conservative, and I was gonna, I was like, let me see if I can rent that now. Or it was like $20 to rent.

I was like that. The covenant? Covenant. That's what it was. What did you just? Did your account? I could do that. Seth does it.

Just don't buy anything. Have either one of you guys watched severance yet? Severance? No. Wait, the TV show? Yeah. Wait, I thought you did watch. On Apple Plus?

No. What's the business show that you've been watching? Succession. Succession. Apparently Succession is fucking amazing. I watched a little bit of it. We're bouncing around a little bit here. Yeah, sorry.

It's okay. But I'm just sick of talking about Succession because it is literally the second best show that's ever been created in the history of shows. Game of Thrones be number one. Really? Yeah. You know who? You think it's better than Breaking Bad? Yeah.

Breaking Bad doesn't even make it up there for me. My girl got. She stopped. I tried making her. watch Breaking Bad and we got to like season three and she was just like I don't really care. Let me ask you something.

I was like, Ike low. How's, how's new life been? You know, new crib. Pretty good. This is the first time I'm like,

and I have to say, I don't know if it's like we get along well. We literally, I don't know if we've even argued yet. But the best thing that's ever happened to me and the reason every time I'm in a relationship, I'm just thinking about like, whenever we're going to break up.

Yeah, sure. I believe it because I always ask that. But I think a lot of people kind of, like, I'm not delusional. Like, we're going to be together. I mean, if it happens, it happens. And like with this one, if it happens, I have no complaints.

Which is something to say. Which, yeah. And I probably wouldn't even, like, with my other relationships, I wouldn't even want to talk about it. Like I am now. But, like, this is, It's gone pretty good.

I guess it's, you could say it's our space, just moved into this nice little loft. She has her own apartment, but she's just with me all the time. Which is fine, but the best thing ever. And if there's any fucking females listening,

do laundry and keep the, this is going to get me in trouble. But, bro, I'm telling you, she does laundry without asking. The house is always clean without asking. And it is, the fridge will be organized without asking. And it's just the best.

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I cook. I cook. I cook. Organizing and you give her things too fucking right. I cook every day. Okay, that's good. I'm the cook. At least there's a bad way.

I buy most of the groceries. Sometimes, like, if it's like 300 something, I'll get it. If it's like we go, show, I just drop 300. Show, like, I tried, I try, it's my place. I'm going to eat most of the food. So I'm paying for like a majority of it. Yeah. I do that.

Listen, don't let anybody out there say that it's right or wrong to have a relationship like that. Because most. It's the best. best. Yeah, it is the best. Look, I think a lot of people get away from that, and look, I'm all for what we're all fighting for, right?

But, you know, there is something to be said about having an agreement with people, and I tell, you know, when Jude was the only one working, I was doing all that shit, I was mopping, I was cleaning, I was taking care of the kid, I was doing all that shit, and it was fine. Like, as long as, as long as it's an even distributed duty,

I think, she might be more on, she might be doing more. But it's like, I feel like I'm just such, like, a good person. Yeah. And, like, she literally gives her nothing to worry about. Like, she's sad. I always, like, she'll wake up.

I just don't, I don't know. Like, I'm funny and make her laugh. Yeah. So, like, I got to get points there, right? Yeah, 100%. And, like, I'll be in, I mean, I'll be in bad moods, but I still just, I make it, like, sort of stress-free. Yeah.

And, like, I'm down to, I'm down to, I'm, I'm down to do stuff, whether it would be like walk with her and do, like, I'm just like, I'm amazing. I'm an amazing boyfriend. So it's like, of course she's going to do these things that I love. But it's also like, it's finding someone that like balances my flaw. My flaws is I can get dirty pretty quick. We've seen the Scuff House. We've seen everywhere I've ever lived ever.

Fucking just dishes. And I'm just not, there is nothing in me that wants to get that shit done. And there is everything in her that, like, it drives her crazy if that shit's not done. Yeah. And it's a, so it works out so good for me. And I try to, like, reciprocate that in ways that it's not going to be doing the same thing she's doing. But it's like, I'm going to make sure her days are pretty good. Yeah.

So, yeah. You got to get something to think about the next day. Yeah. I hear you. Yeah. As long as you're handling that, I think everything else can solve itself. Yeah. It's going good.

Yeah, good. I'm happy to see it. Because I will say, like, I haven't, like, I've, I've, I've seen you with the befores. No offense. But this, this time I think it's, uh, is different. I'm happy for you. No, it's pretty smooth. Like, I, I, I see you more grounded.

And she works, too. I see that, I see that, I see that being, I see that being a distraction, though, when, when fucking Ace Elam fucking takes you out shrooming and running. Those are good times, too. Yeah. We might have to do something Saturday. Yeah. No, I think the only reason I was asking is because I do see a difference in, in her than all the other ones. And not in her, but in the way that you've been. But that might also be just you growing into whatever you're growing into.

Look at that, bro, look how fucking ripped he's looking now. Yeah, he, I mean, he's been literally not eating shit. Dude, I can't, I'm addicted to food. Let's not do it. We just got back from that. Everyone's, all right. Let's go back to fitness. I want to. I don't want to.

So I'm going to ask you another relationship question. I mean, obviously you knowing that you have this sort of type of personality that it says like, you know, you get, you just know that there's an end coming. And in this one, you don't, because I haven't heard you say shit. And, uh, not in the past. Every relationship I've been in, it's like, this will probably like, it's almost like, I think I should. I put, damn, I don't know how. So then it goes on another three months or. however long and it's just like

I'm not good at breaking out with someone but this time the thoughts haven't even yet this time the thoughts aren't even there I will say it's a lot of introspective work that you have to do also right because you have to allow yourself

to be like you know what I am I am not handling this thing in the best manner in which like Jude has I don't know God bless her but in the last like year she's she's sort of gotten it in me that it's okay for me to be like, this is, I'm really feeling, you know?

She's got you to open up for the first time in your life? Just 40 years, you know, it's 20 plus years. And it's like, it's so much easier, though, for me to know that she understands. My family and I grew up that in a way in which, like, the second that there's a fight, you guys just don't talk to each other. Like, I remember in high school, my mom and I,

yeah. Again? Yeah. No, like, I remember my mom and I, in high school, like, didn't talk to each other for like two months. Because I did something wrong. And I didn't agree with... What?

Imagine that. I can't do that. That shit, like, haunts at me. We have to talk it out instantly. But we were taught differently. And Jude is a very forward person when she's like, nope, we got to talk this out. Like, you're not going anywhere. I'm not fucking going anywhere.

We got to talk, uh, talk this out. Some of my past relationships have been like to where we just like, we'll kind of ignore each other. And I'll just be like so annoyed. I'm not saying fucking. shit and then the next day will wake up and it's still like that weirdo tension

or like she'll just come home and be like kind of annoyed and I'm just like what the fuck is it now? And it's like those situations just don't really happen anymore. I have it eats at me too much if I like I have to talk it out. Nah. It just fucks me. Not me. I like Alex Alexxas

can't function until it's solved. Like it has to be solved. Yeah. Because I, for a while, especially in some relationships, I was just like, man, whatever, I'm gone. Yeah. But that doesn't happen. You fucking escape into your man cave. Yeah.

There's so many, so many places like you can hide in your work. Which I'm grateful that she is that way. Yeah, yeah. She solves, we, we, if we ever argue, which we've only fought once ever in our four years of dating. But, yeah, it's like we, if there's ever an argument, it gets resolved. Even if, even if someone wins and someone loses it. even if someone's not okay with the resolution, it is going to be resolved.

Yeah. Which is a good way of going. Another thing that happened while I was in Ohio and during this fucking episode that my brain was being recircuted, I, I, what was I doing? Oh, we were going out to dinner every,

every night and we were going to good restaurants. And I took a picture of like this, this fucking incredible food and then I sent it to Jude. And as I was sending it to her, I'm like, I'm living a different reality than she is living. I'm like, she's not, she's not going out to these fancy restaurants the way that I'm going out to these fast food restaurants.

She's not getting to like enjoy this side of the fucking thing. And in that fucking very fucking moment, I started booking trips for us to go places. Like she's coming to Toronto. She's going to Las Vegas. Like I'm bringing her, like, bro, I just, I had this moment an epiphany where I'm like, I'm going to be one of those dudes where it's too late. It's too late. I worked my ass off all these things things

For what? For what? For what? For I was waiting for the right time to enjoy Yeah and I was just like can't have that so in that fucking very moment I said That shit just inspired me. That ass do you have do you have plans on or are you even interested in taking a vacation A fucking Hawaii? Well we've never had we never went on on a honeymoon Because it was Dronoptic and I just took her on a vacation and I just took her on a vacation and just 24 hours 24 hour vacation To baby steps

To super Mario world In Los Angeles She was super super cool She booked a She booked a rent She got me the Uris To drive around in The whole time

Yeah You know what I'm saying I'm like man So I don't know why This whole time I've been so anti-bring Like This is fucking work

You're not bringing your girl Yeah Like this is fucking work And I was just like I'm like man That's such a fucking dumb shit that I well to to to protect or to to defend your past self you are married with a child and you that is your mindset because we were 20 years old and if you you know what I mean

if if you didn't have that mindset what I mean what's the one thing that breaks up e-sports team girlfriends so if so if if you if you don't if you don't if you don't if don't think that way because it was very much like a yo your girl can come visit but she can't fucking live here that was that was what yeah you always said you know there's yeah if you want to bring your girl here let me know or whatever

and then so that was your mindset because you were you were working you were protecting us and you were working with people that were young and going through that for your first time but now we're all fucking old we all are wifed up we're all it's crazy some of us are expecting

sucked in to relationships and girls you are at that age. Like to the point where it's everything. It's like it'll like it's yes, it's literally everything. Like even if you're on a team, it's like scrims are ever alright. See you.

You're not. You're a tweet. Who's up? Yeah. You're not like chilling in Skype and discord and shit with us anymore. And literally can like, and I mean, we've definitely seen it with some players.

I mean, some players have probably had their careers. like kind of ruined by relationship. One million. What do you mean? What do you mean kind of? I could think of five people off the top of like that. Yeah, that shit's fucking.

A relationship can be deadly to someone's career. When my teammates would get in a relationship, I'd be like, same. Well, not same, but. Dude, it was like, I don't, not, someone having a girlfriend, like, never made them play better. Never. even if they went

even if they went to the event because you know they're not going to talk to you after the match dude yeah and like when their girlfriends would come to the event events and shit in everybody's defense there is no better feeling than winning for your girl

no on both sides okay and it's just nature and it's just the way things that there's not a single thing that is better than intercourse yeah I'm just listen

it is bred into it is in your DNA that that is like nothing so you can't blame somebody who's never felt those emotions fucking not give everything up for those emotions you're literally working your ass off to have those emotions period i said that from i said that because it was it was uh it was hutch and diesel it was an old men of optic thing we're talking and and uh and hutch is like bro it was the fucking it was the best feeling ever and then diesel's like didn't didn't feel better than coming those did it. And everybody's like, you're right. I feel like I'm the,

and I feel like I've said this before and it's just like, shut up. But I feel like I'm the least horny person. Like, that doesn't matter. That's not what he's saying. That's not what I'm saying. But is intercourse good. It's good. Is it the best thing you ever? I guess, I guess, especially at that age, it's everything.

You're right? Yeah, okay. But keep going. But the older I've gotten, it's just like the less, I like care about sex I don't know if there's technically a better feeling then there's like then those like five seconds

of actually like nutting I don't know if there's a better feeling than that because that shit's crazy and you know what's crazier is doing it on like 600 MGs dude come on but that's that's anyway that's a whole other podcast

so again it's not anyone it's just nature sure, right? Like it's in, it's in your DNA to have those feelings, right? So it's what drives humans, right? It's what's gotten here is what's gotten us to today. That's why anytime you see a guy and he's with the devil, literally, like if your best friend is dating someone, you hate, whether it's a girl or a guy, and you're just like, why? Why do you keep going back? And then you're like, I know why. I don't, I know why. I know. I, I mean, I guess I kind of know why, but like, that's why. I can't understand that.

There's no sex or like luts that could bring me back to a girl who's just like kind of shitty. Of course. I don't understand how guy, like I think it says something about the guy. Yeah. For sure. Amen. Yeah. I don't know what it says.

Yeah. I don't know what it says, but it's like why. I don't know. I just can't understand people who are in like toxic relationships, argue all the I don't agree with it. I can understand it. Have you kind of been in something like that? Yes.

I don't think I've ever, I think I'm long gone before he gets to a disrespectful level. Yeah. Oh, I stayed around even way past that. How, though? I mean, I was 20, 20. You know how. I was 18.

Like, you're like arguing back. No, like, yelling as loud as I can yell at each other. I've never done that. Yeah. I don't know why. I can't. Anyway. But it's just like that's, I get what you're saying.

As you grow older, I mean, my mental in that sense hasn't really changed, but I will, as far as a human interaction, I have a better human interaction with people now. Do you think if you ask, if you ask any of the girlfriends that have been, you know, enough, you know, that do you think that they have anything nice to say about me? Probably not. Right. Except the ones that have stuck around. Holly, you know, Nina, Alexis, like, is. Yeah, is is like the perfect, the fucking example, right?

And maybe we shouldn't go down that route because it's very definitive in those issues. But like, I don't understand how they don't understand that. It's my responsibility to make sure that these guys stay on a straight and arrow because I know what their future looks like if they focus and I know what it doesn't look like or what it looks like

if they don't fucking focus. So I've never, ever, ever had an issue with that sort of thing. Ever, ever. Like, I don't feel an ounce of guilt of me always given my opinion about something in that regard. I have, this is sort of random. What is your talking about young people, maybe having girlfriends or just young people being in a house and the future is ahead of them? Do you have any regrets from 60-50 or the scuff house? of like what you wish you should have done or what you should have done what you didn't do

what you did do maybe no i think i think there's only one regret that i have and and i recently told it to to natchat it's like that i didn't fight for him to stay like when he said he was leaving that's it i didn't say anything and i'm like i'm like you're a young dude i could have i could have fucking like sat down gone to see you you've known me long enough you know you know mean like that's the one thing that I regret not not fighting for for him to say and I did I told him that I'm like you're a young dude you know like you should I should have fought a little bit harder for you but at the same time like how can like how can I how can I regret that when I know like look at financially where he's at now you know what I mean yeah like if I can guarantee that you can

go out and build a a 200 million dollar company and you like I would fucking go out on my way to fucking make you mad enough at me that you would go and pursue that thing. But yeah, look, I don't know. It was one of those things where, like, it, you know, it was emotionally compromised. There's a timeline out there somewhere in this, in this infinite universe of galaxies, where the optic were you and Nate donut,

that never changed. So everything that's thieves and everything that's optic is under one roof. What if it would have went worse? I mean, that's probably out there too, but let's not think about that one. happen. Let's think about Yeah. Well, we didn't talk for like a year after that. Yeah.

Do you remember, do you remember the day that Nate came over to the Scuff House? Yeah, I remember it being like... It was fucking Thanksgiving, too. I remember knowing... No, not that one. I didn't... Not the bad one. The good one. I didn't really know... I knew there was like tension there, but I didn't know... I was kind of like chilling. But I remember

it being like a moment of like there's some weirdness happening. They don't really talk. Like... I was, yeah, that one was weird for me because I had grown, like, I had grown up. The whole reason I wanted to join all this is because of Seth and Nade. So. And Bose. Big thing.

So everybody forgets about the hard work. I didn't know about the hard work. I didn't know about the hard work. The hard work came like later because that's all behind the scene shit. And then I made a whole documentary series about the behind the scene shit. But, but then when I saw them like beefing, I was like, dude, this is so fun. fucking weird. Because like,

hex is my mentor and like, you know. Wait, would they be, was it known to the public? No. No, he visited the scuff house. I think he visited to try to mend things. But I mean, like, even before that.

So no one, like, Nate leaves to L.A. And honestly, I think everyone's looking at it, like, because of his girl, right? That's kind of how I. Well, he moved out there in search of love.

And he found it, you know, for a while. For a little bit of, um. but yeah I don't know I'm talking about

not the Thanksgiving beef one I'm talking about when Nate came over because they had mended and then Nate and Hector were downstairs playing pool for like five hours You don't remember that? We went to the gym and came back

and they were still down there talking and then you were like look at them giggling like school girls down there you remember for like that whole the whole time I remember when I used to have a duo remember that? Like everyone's like, remember that? That was like a joke.

I forgot about that joke. Yeah. I remember when I had a duo. I used to have a duo. Because we were all, it was like Mike and Bose. Yeah. Me and Nick. Set them formal.

That's so funny. You're like, I used to have a duo. I don't know if this is boring to talk about. But Bose didn't really have the answers. How did the first 60-50 house happen? Who was on Optic? Who? Were there creators?

Was a snipe team? What the, no, the snipe, the snipe team brought Optic tonight. When I, when I, when I, when I, when I got the Kilimanjaro on the, on the sniper, when I dropped the entire sniper team, it happened because the car team, Natechot specifically. It was Natechats fault, goddamn. Nate shots idea?

No, well, the thing is this is like, the way that Optic happened was fucking very simple. Crew leaves, and at the time it's just a random, it's, it's, uh, Reality check type team. You know what I'm saying? Just the fucking random pickup thing. He leaves. Fucking Jay leaves.

I take over. And then my brother and I are like talking. And then he's like, yo, we should just make videos, man. Fuck competing and all this shit. Let's just make videos. Sniping happens. Blah, blah, blah, blah. And then one, uh, Natechat lived in Palos Heights, Illinois, which was half an hour away.

And, and he's like, yo, let's, let's make, let's make more videos together. And I was like, yeah. He's like, yeah, like, yeah, like, in real life, let me come over. She's like, uh, you know me, but I don't think. Was anything even any videos like that out back then? Like, were people making shit like that? There was a team house. There's been team houses forever, but they were training facility houses.

What we said is like, let's record fucking everything. Like if you go back, like right before we got the house, I say that I was going to, I was going to do a reality show on that. And I never was never able to do it because I never had this, this, the brain or creativity to present. in a certain way. But I always thought that I'm like, if we document this thing, like, it's going to be good. That's why I still have footage of the move into the house. And the way that the house happened was Nate Shad and I were essentially doing live streams from my basement.

And he's like, he's like, dude, we got, we got a, your home basement? Yeah, 1834. Yeah. And nobody knew that address, I guess. I was going to say, I didn't know that. From the Chaco, Chaco, the chocolate brown house. Okay. And, uh, and, and Nate's like, yo, we got to get a house, we got to get a house. And I was like, I was just like, I was like, I'm like, yeah, but how are we going to make that happen? At the time we were fucking making money and shit.

So I was just like, I'm like, I think I can figure this out. What if, and I told scuff, I'm like, yo, I need you guys to give me more than $400 a month, you know? Think about that. They used to pay us $400 a month to promote that in the codes we made a shit, a ton of money, et cetera. But we weren't, we weren't qualified anywhere. We, my, June and I couldn't get anything because I hadn't been working in that.

So, you know, the historical, you know, all that, all the historical data that wasn't there to allow us to get there. So Jude and I were about to move out of our chocolate house. You remember that chocolate house? I never went. I mean, I may have seen it. I don't know. You came by to pick up shit. Anyway, it doesn't matter.

I don't remember much. Fucking dope-ass fucking house, beautiful home. And we were going to move out and we were going to go live in the basement of her mom's house so that we can make the, the house happened. And at the very last second we found the 60-50, the owners were like, cool, if you can pay it in advance, it's all yours. And we could pay in advance.

So we paid in advance, and that's how it all moved in. Damn. So was it, like, you're talking to Nate Schott about all this. Is he on your cod team at that line? Who was on that car team? Well, he was, he was not on the cot team yet.

Like you guys are like, let's get a, let's figure out a house. No, he wanted to do a house strictly for YouTube. and content. Really? That was like, our game has always been content because we know

what's very obvious to us and not to everyone. But we wanted to do it the team house and then he's like, yeah, and then like we can trade out of there and shit. And at the time,

Nate Chad was on the B team. He wasn't necessarily on the main team. He was on Optic Nation. Yeah, he was, no, Optic Nation didn't happen until we dropped Embos. From the,

like Optic Nation. Who was on the Optic team? On the optic team, it was Rambo, big timer, Merck and Jacob. Damn. And then as things started to take off,

because you got to understand, like Optic was, obviously, we had 300,000 subscribers when we decided to step back into that. And for people to forget that, just willy-nilly is, you know what? Like the sniping team built that? Yeah, we did.

In commentaries. In commentaries, yeah. So, like, there was this one famous night that we were all out in, in L.A. And nature was inebriated. I was fucking drunk. And, you know, we were all fucking talking shit. And nature was talking shit.

He's like, he's like, man, just like, the optic wouldn't be where we're at if it wasn't that, blah, blah, blah. And I was just like, I'm like, just remember this. I knew what fame was before I knew what your name was. And everybody was like, ah, it was funny. But again, it was like, everything was going right. When we stepped back into Call of Duty, it was strictly because Nerve and Diesel wanted to play competitively again.

And we were like, oh, yeah, we can fucking. record videos on this shit and blah blah blah. So yeah, but right in the last two months leading up to, like we had decided to move in, we had got the place and right as those two last month, months started to lead into the move in date, nature fucking exploded. And the second that he exploded because of the relationship that he had already with with Red Bull, just on a pure conversation, he started to pitch himself to it. And when they're like, yeah, I'm going to get a sponsorship from this.

Immediately I'm like, I'm like, man, the best decision right now, because it's going to be big news, the best decision right now for the business is to move Rambo and put Natchan in. And at the time, I didn't have enough cash to offer him Optic Nation. To offer Rambo optic nation. So he just went off. He went to envy, as you guys all know, the rest is history. So it really wasn't a Nate shots really good.

Let's replace Rambo. The excuse was there were two online tournaments and if you were from Quebec, you couldn't. Canada. I thought it was Quebec specifically. Maybe.

You can't play in online tournaments because it's considered gambling. Same thing with Maryland. Couldn't compete in the biggest Halo 4 tournament. Yeah. You would have won that shit. So that. That's why.

Well, it was a combination of that, but, you know, from a business standpoint, I got to build what we sit in here today. Yeah. And I saw that. And for me to explain it's like, hey, this is the only way that we get to a place like this is by taking these, by making these very tough moves and decisions. The way that Ambles came in was because Seth left, Seth left for two weeks to go to Envy.

I'll never, I'll never forget. And it wasn't like, like, like, Stro, I'll never forget Famousness. Mother's fucking stro was in his fucking ear. And I say, I'm like, I'm like, I'm still to this day, I'm never going to forget that shit. Anyway, everything went back to normal,

but we already had embos and Seth liked Bowes, so he's stuck in there, then we replaced, then big time of retires at the same time that Seth leaves, so we pick up Clay, and that's how Embo's came to be. But by the time it was all said and done, and

they wanted to replace Embo's with proof that's when I say I'm like we set embo's down I was like yo I remember clearly we're in the

downstairs brown couches me made him and now it's just like I'm like I'm thinking to myself oh I fucking love this dude I fucking love this dude

and I told him I'm like yo I'm not dropping him I mean we're dropping him but he either gets to stay if he wants to compete we're gonna give him his own team and we told him

and he was ready to go like he's you know how he is he's very it is what it is and the world hates me and shit. So I set up down and I was just like, but you ain't going nowhere, man. Like I want you to stay and all that and then the rest of history. When you first moved into 60-50, how?

Was it, did Rambo move in as well? No, no, he was not. Damn. So within just like two months of like everything happened? Did Rambo know of he, yo, we're going to be moving into this house? No. Oh, shit. No, it was so difficult back then because everything was so fragile back then

Right? Like I had to go out of my way To make sure that everything Was presented the right way Like, not lying, But telling the truth In just the right way For people to understand that

Because, you know, back then, you know, Optic was very, very fucking popular. Obviously we had the most popular sniper team and from this sniper team Every other fucking sniper team Came to be Copycat No, I mean, I think it just happens

everything happens the way it does and I always say this man at the time when I saw Faye started to gain steam like I was really fucking like mad at at the players I was mad at myself but if they wouldn't have done

what they did we wouldn't have elevated it we wouldn't have gone above because we were so in our in our throne we were so comfortable there's no threats we were gonna keep it but when I saw somebody

about to come and take our lunch I was just like hmm it's so different though such a yin and yang us in phase, which we've grown to love I think. So what was the question? Like when we moved in what?

I guess just so Nate's looking at it like you're moving into 60-50 as a YouTube content. On that, yeah. On that it's like let's bring the team on that note though on that note though, if I don't choose to replace Rambo with Natechat and that team that was winning consistently

like I put They were already winning. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I It was the first dynasty in Cod history. So I put, like, I will say, like, me making that decision helped Matt a lot also because he was no longer, like, somewhere out there. He was, like, on the fucking main. Sure. Popular fucking team.

So he blew up not even being on the optic team. Well, he blew up because he, like. I mean, like, he was blowing up before just being like a YouTuber. He started to blow up. No, he started to blow up when he was doing snipers going ham with, with, with predator, who was fucking. massive at the time. But, like, you have to understand something about, about, about, about nature. Ain't no stopping that motherfucker.

Like, he, they ain't no stopping him. Period. If he, if he, if he fucking see something that he wants, he's, it's his already. It just hasn't happened yet. So, I'm glad that I'm, I'm, I don't regret any of the fucking things that I've, that I've done. Again, the only thing I regret in, in, in the way I handled things was, I guess the Merck thing too, like him, him, uh, being dropped.

like that one hurt because he was you know he was a really really good friend of mine we had our own doubles team on fucking game battles like I related with him a lot so that one the way that the way that he was dropped I think was was wrong and also not not fighting for for nade shot when he told me that he was gonna leave

because it was like I still have the fucking email I don't bring it up but I still have the if I look it up right now I can read word for word what he said I was in a meeting with turtle wax when he fucking sent me this email and I was just fuming. I was just like, man, he's like, I'm going to go start my own thing. Yeah, he was, he didn't believe that I was going to give him ownership. Or that he was, you know, whatever. But I never had contracts fucking anyone.

And, you know, people, people that were there fucking working with no salary. Like, they got what they, they were supposed to get. Period. Out of both of the, what was your most, what's the most stressed, stressful time out of like the two houses? 1235 Just like that whole Just kidding it? No just that The most stressful

Like looking back at all your content With your content houses Yeah All the all the kids living in the houses Yeah When when was like When were you just fucking annoyed And pissed off and just like

Well I mean it was a decent amount of time Me not me not What was the most like stressful though? Yeah that 1235 Why Because I was living barely living living paycheck to paycheck. And I remember, like, going to New York with Big Time, or you can ask him this.

Like, we were in our thing on the way back, and I was just like, yo, if this fucking sponsorship money doesn't come in, like, I can't pay salaries. And if I can't pay salaries and if I can't pay salaries, or it gets out that Optic can't pay salaries, then it might have a ripple effect across all of Esports, because if Optic can't make salaries, then what the fuck are, is everybody else who doesn't have the following or the viewership or everything that we have not? Like, do. And that's when we started to, that's when I started to realize I'm like, oh, it's easy for them.

They got investment money. They don't have to make money. They have investment. They're spending somebody else's money from money that was made fucking elsewhere. Well, I'm over here trying to fucking nickel and dime. Yeah, nickel and dime my fucking way through this shit. You did that like purposely? What, no?

To not get investors or something. No, I didn't go to, luckily. And this is not, I don't want, if you're going to college, go to college. I wasn't I wasn't poisoned by by business and business school and all that shit like I didn't know that raising money was a thing

so two plus two for me meant it's four right no matter what so if I don't make four I can't pay for you know and then taxes on top of that shit like it was a fucking it was a fucking struggle

and you know luckily Jude was fucking gangster as fuck and she was always you know down to you know scrap it out Do you have a favorite time? I'm sure you have a lot of favorite memory. Can I ask a question I've never asked? Yeah.

Obviously, we always talk about it like it's a horrible thing, but the transition from optic to infinite. Was it one wire? No. You're still getting it? No. Okay. No, it wasn't one wire. I wanted to know what your eyes.

The first wire. first wire, it wasn't a wire, it was a check. It's a check. A physical check. Physical check. Physical check. Four point two something. And I grabbed it and I was like and I sent it. I sent the picture of it to Rob.

He's like I've never seen that much money in my life. Turcala? Yeah. But you got to understand like the transition from that like those those first six months, man I can't tell you like the life that I was living. I was like it was a fucking dream. It was like all my dreams had come to realize like everything was I had a fucking pool.

Um, your whole family. Like, Jude, like everybody, like everybody, like everybody, like, everybody, like, everybody was saying, I, I paid, I paid Seth a bunch of money. I paid boss a bunch of money. I paid everybody who was there not getting paid in the beginning at 60, 50, I, I, I gave them, because everybody, everything was fucking good.

I was about to have, everything was good. And then in six months, you just, yeah. Everything was about to be taken away from me. Oh, man. That was the most stressful. Actually, you know what? that was the most stressful.

Of course that was. Because you, even though you had like all this money, you're set for, no, but it's not, it's not, it wasn't like that. Because when,

when, when that thing was happening, like that was, you know, some of, like all of it was gonna come, there was a fight for it. So that was the most stressful because it was a fight for your money.

Hey, yeah, or a fight for everything. For everything. Yeah, fight for optic. Because at least when, when I was talking to big time,

I was saying if this sponsorship check doesn't come in, at least we were going to lose, at least, nothing had it was still nothing right it was still us working on something it was nothing but here there was fucking money attached to it and lives were attached to that so it was fucking stressful out of all your optic days you'd say the immortal or not the immortals the infinite transition was the most stressful no six months after six months after yeah for sure yeah because we were going to lose everything i still have the footage i'm probably going to

give it a rage was it of uh of hector's doctor or of Hector's interview. I sat down on Hector interviewing about the team we had. Counterstrike team, whatever. And in the middle, he grabs his phone and he's like, look at the date.

And he said, there's motherfuckers in here and he points to an office that want to get rid of the Call of Duty team. And if they do that, it's going to be a fucking revolution. And I have it on film. What dumb fucks?

Yeah. Well, they didn't know better. How, though? How don't you know that? I mean, think about the amount of people that... There's juice, bro. I think it's just like... You sip the juice.

You don't get it. You just have like so much investment money. They're just looking at it's bringing this to be a league of legends. I was so angry during that time because I thought it was common sense. And since then, I've seen it happen three more times. And I just don't, I'm not as, I don't raise as much as an uproar. Because I get it now. Like I understand.

I'm not upset really with, there's only like two people that I'm like still like, okay, you could have done better than that. But I've seen it happen because people are, when you work for a passion, it's so much different than when you're working to stay employed. And when you're working to stay employed, I get that and I respect it way more than I used to because I was so privileged in the fact that I got to work in my passion.

And so now seeing it, all you have to do is be a little bit more communicative. It might be community. Communic can I said it right I did Correct. Community care communicative

Community kid communicative Community it's lost this meaning Yeah I don't even know You just have to communicate a little bit more And I used to think I used to be so fucking self

Like I just I had been working around people That understood it so long That now that I wasn't around people That understood everything I found it annoying I was like Who is this fucking Reed guy

He doesn't know what the fuck's going on And I felt that way about everyone Yeah And if he was standing there like, I don't know what the fuck's going. Of 100%. No, he was. No, he, listen, we luckily, for, from the beginning, we, we maintain a really good relationship with read. And I remember, like, telling him, like, yo, just so you know, I don't have a problem with you.

And like, I appreciate the work that you're doing. Like, I know, I'm like, you're managing fucking Preston. He gets more views on one month than we do all as a network. Yeah. So I'm like, it's, like, trust me, man. Like, I know that you're putting up with this. And, and, look, I just had breakfast with Chris Chaney. like two weeks ago.

Really? Yeah, like he and I talk. Like, it's a, and, and I don't, I don't know what I'm about, about Jay because I do feel like, you know,

because of how temperamental I was with Optic, that, you know, and I know that I didn't say anything. All I said was, I haven't talked to him in a long time. Neither here or there. But it's not even,

it's not even about whether they get it or not, is just that they're not, they weren't wrong if they were implementing whatever they were implementing that, in 2027 but they tried to do it in 2017 you know what I mean and I always say like I think I think Christiani and I would have made good partners if if I wouldn't have been so fucking

selfish and wanted to take I wanted to pass up all the work to everybody and I didn't want to because again those first six months where I was just fucking traveling with the team and enjoying my money and fucking enjoying the fucking freedom of not being the only one fucking worrying about fucking optic like it was fucking it was beautiful Like I want to relive that again, but not at the expense of optic. And even like the Immortals guy who I'd never talk to, like he and I, I think would have made, I think I would have made good partners with everybody because as long as they believed in what I was fucking saying, which is so obvious to everybody in this fucking room, then it would have been that much of a better opportunity and a better scenario for everyone. But yeah, those were my most stressful ones and my happiest ones. What was, was it annoying trying to vlog and coming into the scuff house at 11 a.m.

And no one being awake. No. And just, what were, what were your, what were your thoughts before you would come to the scuff house? And just like, because it'd be like, I would still be awake at like 8 a.m. I'd see you pull in the driveway. And then I'd just go fake be asleep. I believe it. Was that fucking annoying?

No, what was annoying was how you were letting your fucking youth. just how irresponsible it was for you to just let that shit go. Yeah. And like how. And how. And how fucking. I was fucking. And how fucking.

Yeah. I mean, I mean, I just got annoyed because we could have been doing so much, you guys could have been doing so much better individually. If, if I would have done a better job of forcing you guys to, to be on more content.

And like, if I would have known the extent of your fucking sickness, I would have acted a lot quicker. You know what I mean? Like, I, done if I would have had no bullshit and I've said this to Seth and I've said it to a lot of people I'm like if you do if I catch you out there doing coke or fucking heroin or bad

shit I'm gonna fuck you up I'm look these fists are gonna fucking see your fucking face and I'm gonna be a hero for it to everyone's gonna love me for it and I worded like that I told I worry like that I'm like and look if if you go out there and say the hector beat me up I'm gonna tell them why and guess who they're gonna cheer for me because I'm trying to fucking protect you and I think I didn't know how sick you were because you were fucking way skinnier so I think it would have been so much easier for me to fuck you up.

To think I was like, to think I was 40 pounds less. Yeah. I remember weighing myself seeing like 165 and shit. Like that's crazy. Yeah. Now it's like I can't even get below

fucking 205. What were you going to say? Just that whole, that whole time was insane. Yeah, I've said to hitch multiple times. Like if I had my more clear mind right now than it's not even like

on some like depression, anxiety, fucking mental illness shit. It's just like my mind, like I still like have that in episodes of it. But my mind is so much more clear. And it's like when I wake up, I have a full day ahead of me now.

Yeah. But it's like back then it was just like, I guess the shit I was on just completely, it just changes. the way your brain thinks. Like it makes you not care and just like, I don't know. I always look back and just be like,

damn, I wish I was in like this headspace to do this to do. I wish I was in this headspace back then and it would have been being in a team house. It would have just been fucking easy. Yeah, so much better. Like just pump out some random bullshit video. Not necessarily random bullshit video.

I was not annoyed. I was not annoyed. I was annoyed at you wasting your youth. that's it because I was like for a long time like I just even now like I know how much easier my life would be if I was 20 something with my brain today you know like I always have I always have age against me because I'm so much older than fucking everyone so you know maybe not not as relatable to the to the youth as you guys are do I think nature has a better content career than me or do I think that's Seth is like no absolutely fucking not so when you say shit like you know that's what got me into it nature I and fucking Seth. I'm like, I was the better fucking content creator to begin with. I was just not as good

with these fucking hands. Yeah, yeah. No one's funnier than me. Fuck out of it. Back then you weren't like, flogging or anything. Well, no, because I was, I mean, I would watch.

I would watch everything. The paintball, Nick getting shot in the back with the paintball guns, the fucking friends test, like the mexy candy. I was watching all that shit. It's crazy like what we were down for

in the beginning. Like pies to the face, we were spitting water on each other. Bro. Think about that now. That would never. I wouldn't do that shit again. I don't think I would either.

I get so, fucky. Once just like one person kind of starts to be in it, I'm not doing it. You know people are still doing that? Not those, but people are still down for it. And we're not down for it anymore.

We have to work around the fact that we're not down for it. We have to do it. The team's down. But I'm not going to be the only down. I know. These motherfuckers don't know how good they have it. Imagine, imagine being, imagine a sideman shoot.

They're doing a crossbar challenge with fucking Christiana Ronaldo and one of them is like nah, ate pizza yesterday don't feel like coming in that doesn't happen

it doesn't happen with the beta squad it doesn't happen with fucking any of these like like what was the beta squad? They're just like the sideman and they're over there and they do shit together

and it fucking crushes all the time yeah that shit doesn't happen it doesn't happen in I mean what we've done is we've adjusted really well yeah and I love what we do still

I love the shows we're creating I love the podcasts but that doesn't happen anymore it doesn't not because of me like David I mean when I know they don't do it's always down the vlog squad shit like they weren't getting paid for that

you know what I mean but they were down for it because you know that's that was like what was I mean that was just like what they did and anytime you see a group explode it's because everyone's down for it Yeah. Also,

the amount of responsibility that was put on a fucking class clown to fucking be the responsible of fucking adult in the room was super unfair to me. No one said, huh? That you were the class clown, but you still had to...

Yeah, I had to be the fucking grown-up in the room. I'm like, I'm like... Of course you did. Fucking me. Cremise. Yeah. Crem. Flame sword.

Bro, that was a fucking... that's such a it's so weird that that was a thing like the thing back and I'm thinking thinking like I was sharing a room with crim 6 when I first moved in it's so many like oh my god I gotta go I do this time uh I got to bro that shit that flew thank you for having me it flew go ahead send us out oh wait give us an album an album of a week album of the week

from hector himself uh you already I actually just gave it to nade chat because nashad told me that he's on that he's like i i've been listened to illmatic nonstop for the past week and i'm like i've only been telling you this for like he's like yeah he's like what should i do next and i'm like reasonable doubt jz he hell on earth oh he ain't ready for that

but i gave him like he can't relate like no i know relax listen listen i gave him hell on earth because to give him uh shook ones why not the infinite he wasn't ready he's not no it's like you got you have to be you have to hit him in that level in which uh mob you know this What was that, their third album? Hell on Earth?

Yeah, I think it was like... Because there's the infamous and the infamous two. I don't know if it was infamous their first album, though? I think so. I thought they had some rant. No, it was like Juvenile or something, like 93, I think. Yeah, 93. Yeah, it was their third album.

What was... It was Hell on Earth. What was their first album? Juvenile, hell, then Helena. Okay. So... Damn, I know my mom. Jesus Christ.

So I said hell on Earth because it's... I don't say mainstream But they were a little bit more mainstream there Because it's the third album They fucking had a banger But he can't relate to infamous So I gave him this one to relate to Before he goes to infamous

I had to go backwards on him I don't think I've ever listened to Hell on Earth All the way through Dude yeah I've been I haven't listened to rap in so long I've been on like some house I've been on my podcast stuff But occasionally I'll switch it up

And off Likon Corridos Tumbaus I've been listening to Mob Deep a lot lately listen it's i mean the infamous back in the house once again i'm my drive home that's all right hell on earth enjoy it man fucking when you get to the extra yeah hell on earth you're already here first go listen to hell on earth by mob deep this is hector's recommendations you're welcome uh yo thank you all so much for watching this has been episode 500 70s yeah 76 whatever it is emac great play that outro music