The Flycast - HILARIOUS WAY APG HYPES UP FORMAL ON MAINSTAGE 😂 | The Flycast Ep. 146

Episode Date: May 2, 2025

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Damn, we got no headphones today, man. How am I going to get through it? What type of flycats is this going to be? It's going to be a therapy one or just a chill one? Probably, man. It's fucking Nick. You know how it goes. Let's make sure we make this about me.

Yeah, we probably will, man. We'll probably gear the conversation towards, like, you. And like what I go through and what I want to talk about. How hard life is for you. For me? Right, right, right. And they don't understand They don't understand what life is like for me

Yeah, because it's tough Welcome back to another episode Of the Flycast episode 146 Who gives a fuck? Episode 146 though man We're getting up there Got a special guest today

The man, the myth, the legend My co-host What's some gang shit, man We got APG The B-TH watch party co-host. Thank you. I feel like you're in a, I can tell you're in like watch, like whenever we do the watch

party intros, like you have your thing where you like go like this and then you like clap a little bit. He's doing the, my emotes. Yeah, your emoge. I default emotes. I have to. He's doing the same thing. We got APG here today.

Me and APG been, it's like a new. It's almost, first off, we've known each other for, well, first off, if you don't know, APG, former Optic member, played one a, one of, World's championship. That world championship player for Optic got us that first ring

in Halo Infinite. He, avid marijuana smoker. Trying to think of other stuff for you. Halo streamer. Thank God you got a ring, man. Do you ever think about it like that? Yeah.

Because if I was playing for 18 years and didn't have that or if I was playing for this long and didn't have anything to show for it besides designer clothes It would just be a waste of a career No, that's the truth like I realized that like a little bit down the line It's like yo I like I'm fly everybody knows I'm fly but like I want to make sure I got the accolades to back it up I can't talk about me I can't I can't talk about me smoking as much as I do smoke without Getting wins you know what I'm saying or else people are going to be like oh you be smoking It's why you lose all that stuff

But no I did think about that that's a good point it's a really good point I mean, there's just people in Cod that, like, are OGs, and they just never got, they never got the ring. I'm glad I got mine. It's like, it's like the highest, like, if I didn't have that, I'd have, bro. What would I even talk about? The one win you got was the National Championship. That's fucking insane. That also never happens.

Yeah, that's actually pretty good, though. On 09. On 09. Oh, yeah. On, instead of people saying, like, oh, my mama, we say, oh, no, no. On no. On, nine. Oh, nine, I swear to God, on 09.

knock his head off. That's a good question. You're starting it off. Good. Yeah, that is a, bro, I think about that too. Like, thank God I got that win. Because I can like,

it give, like, imagine, if I would have got seconded that event, no one would, it wouldn't be mentioned. No one would give a fuck. I can't go back and, like, talk about that event. There's just,

but there's like, I don't know, just something special to it. Because it was special, to be honest. It almost felt like peak. This is me trying to hype up my win. and that it mattered more than others.

But it was like peak Halo 3. Different eras. I'm hitting my peak. T2 and straight Ripin are basically at seemingly their peak because they started winning events. Yeah. Like with snipe down and shit. Triggers down is at their peak.

Ogre 2 wasn't at his peak as far as the team is concerned, but he's hitting his peak as well because the following event. I need three piece. Three Pete. One of Worlds. So it was just like, I don't know. It was a good time to win a fucking event. And you got to experience that like Cinderella story.

That shit's, that shit's great. That's what people dream about. Game five, game five, game five. I mean, maybe it's just me, but like if I'm a fan of something, like a sports team or whatever, like if I, or a sport in general, I don't dream about being Tom Brady. Like, I dream about being like the random. guy that just pops off for a month and like contributes to winning the Super Bowl. What's that dude's name in basketball? He didn't win.

Alan Iverson? No, the Asian dude. Jeremy Lynn. Yeah, like a Jeremy Lynn. You'd rather be Jeremy Lynn than Tom Brady? Yes. No, no, no, no, I wouldn't rather be. I wouldn't rather be, but I don't think like.

You like that moment. I'm not the Tom Brady. I don't think I'm the Tom Brady of anything. But I have had Jeremy Lynn moments in other aspects of my life where I'm like, oh, I'm cooking right now. now. Right. Like Jeremy Lynn makes it like, damn, wait, I could do something great.

I could go one-on-one against Kobe. At my best. At his worst. Me and APG have known each other for damn near 20 years. And it took 20, like literally this time next year will be 20 years, which is fucking insane, like playing matchmaking with each other or just playing against each other. Then I think you have finally attended. your first event, late 06.

It's been a long fucking time and it's crazy that we're both here. If you don't know, me and APG just recently started doing Halo watch parties, basically doing the same shit Seth does with Call of Duty, but we do it with Halo. How have you enjoyed it or what's your thoughts about it? Because, and I guess start with like, because you're now. I guess retired, I guess maybe unofficially officially, but what are your thoughts about

you know, the watch party and sort of break down of how you got there because let's just start with the year before or how your Halo career was going and then what sort of got you to where you're at right now. Okay, all right, I'm going to start let's start from when I got released from Optic. How about that?

Okay. All right, let's start from when I got released from optic. Let's start three years ago. Because it's get it, well, you said like, I've been waiting for this fucking opportunity. And there's a lot of shit to say. Exactly. I got a lot of stuff to get off my chest.

It's going to be a little yap moment. Okay. So I got looking from Optic. And then I had a decent amount of, like, choices that I wanted to go. Like, team-wise. Let's talk about that. Let's talk about getting released from Optic. Because that's a big, it's a big deal.

And no one wants that to happen. Yeah, it was, like, shocking but not shocking at the same time. It was like, yeah, we just got like a terrible placing. Or it's not terrible placing, but we love. lost in a terrible way and we got second but it's like we did just win the event before so there's like a little like thought in the back of my head like you know maybe we sit together you know we can come back from this like we have from other like uh like us down times in our team's history but they wanted to make a change and that was like I was like I was streaming one day and then after I got off lunchbox

texted me and it was like you know could you get in a call and I just I knew what was coming so I'm grown man lunch so I just literally texted back and I was like am I getting dropped and then he just told me straight up like yeah and he's like yeah I'll just I'll still get in the call. I still want to talk to you guys. And it was a, they did it a very respectful way and, you know, mature way. And that's why I still have a good relationship with them and also Optic because that's the way that things should go, especially when you have that kind of success with the team. And, you know, everything, like some good things, they just don't last forever. And they got to end at some point. So, and that was just our, it was the end of our team's, I guess,

tenure. And it was, you know, it was sad because I do value that team very highly in my career. You know, I love that team. It's probably my best team that I've been a part of, especially with the accolades to match. And just, I really just enjoyed the fact that we were able to overcome our issues and be able to speak to each other in a mature way and understand our constructive criticism to excuse me oh my god i couldn't speak constructive criticism to one another and um that's like a rarity nowadays it's very very rare because most people they hear somebody critique them and they just think that they're out to get them or they have malicious intent or they just might think they suck but we were all on the same page that we all wanted to win for each

other we wanted to do it for the people to our left and right and that's why i really i love those guys to you know forever because that was a really important time in my life and I wouldn't have been able to get to the spot I am in today without them and their help so I'm very blessed to even be on that team and also be a part of Optic and also win a ring for Optic I feel like when you join optic that is your goal is that's that's the standard when you come here it's like you see all these trophies right there it's like all right you have to contribute to that if you don't then it's like all right well you tried I tried I didn't I didn't even come close That was a different time period though.

That was a different time period. Because even when I joined Optic, I didn't know it was going to be Optic because we were envy at the time. And then the envy merger happened. And it was like at the same time that we were like Joey and I were going to move to Dallas. So I was like, you know, if we're about to be optic, then I can't. I can do the same thing I'm doing in Dallas from Florida. But I'd rather be closer to everybody and be like, you know, central, especially even location internet-wise. But, you know, it was the best move of my career.

One of the best decisions of my life is just to come out here and just, you know, full send it. but yeah i got like a verm optic and then who was in the call all of them which is that's why i say it's a very respectful thing because you know we were watching cherish and cherished was saying that only the coach told him so like i can see where he's coming from when he's expecting these like his brothers to be there all with him and to just like have a conversation you know say their peace and it's you don't want to burn bridges because you never know when you have to cross that bridge again yeah so um maybe maybe shit's different now because i feel like back then it'd just be like one person would send the text and then you kind of just don't even speak but now it's like you're getting

salaries you're playing you're playing like cups every single weekend you're in your scrimming every single day like it's it's kind of it's kind of different i feel like there is like a more close uh a close sort of brotherhood maybe with teams these days or maybe not maybe it's just a more professional shit's more professional now so when you do disband you do kind of want to have that respect for for players for sure 100% that's what you're why like even like hector texted me i think that was great as well like that meant a lot to me it's just like the way that you you do it has to be proper you know what i'm saying so i understood where cherished was coming from but they all they all were in the call it was you know everything

was copacetic after that every time i get released from a team i just think about my next move you know in that time period i was wondering all right do i retire do i want to keep playing because i'm still obviously good enough to compete i just got second at worlds won the event right before a few weeks prior. And so I was like, you know what, I want to at least play for a little bit longer. But I do know that at this point, I'm at the tail end of my career. I have enough self-awareness to understand, all right, you were just on the number one team, top two team, if you want to argue that. And now you have to try and compete with those people. But also, I need to focus on the next five years of my career. I don't need to just think about the next year or even the next

two, because your contract might even just be one year. You know, people get, you know, they re-sign after one year. Sometimes if you're lucky, you get a two. year-plus contract, but if that means you're actually valuable and you hold a lot of weight. So that was my main thought was, you know, I still want to compete, but I need to make sure I do something right for my future because I've been in this for a long time. I need to make sure I'm here for even longer, have more longevity. So I had a couple options. One I never really spoke about, I think publicly, is Shopify. I had an offer from Shopify. Best Man hit me up. He really wanted me to join their team. It would have been cycle, mental and I, and I don't know

who the fourth would be, but that was an option. And then the other option was native, and it was Mickwyn collect, Neptune and I. And I was kind of on the fence with Neptune just because he hadn't played in a while. I wanted to make sure that he was going to be a good teammate coming to HALA for the right reasons. You know what I'm saying? And unfortunately, it just didn't work out, but I'm extremely happy to see his success now because he's come a long way. And he even texted me a few months ago and was like, hey, I apologize for how our teaming experience went this year or this past year because now I understand why you take it so serious,

why you want to win, why you're this hard on your teammates. Like I understand where you're coming from now. And at that point in my life, I just wasn't, you know, I wasn't ready for that. And now he's obviously seeing a lot of success in Cod. So he understands where I was coming from, and I just value that, you know, even if we didn't have success on our team. But I still, we have had it in the past, like in Halo 5,

but that was our team. We'd let go of Neptune, picked up barcode. And I'm trying to think about to say this. like going forward after that it was just like the past year I was probably compared to like Jordan to the Wizards shack on the Celtics

or stuff like that like it was like I had a lot That's how you felt You were Jordan on the Wizards No just like that's how you like people look at it Gilky and Mickwin like that No I'm just saying like Like I go for my

Yeah you're on My average placing was two Yeah and then I was getting top 12 slash top 16 So it was just like obviously I think that I'm better than top 12 and top 16, but our team just couldn't figure it out. And I also just think that our team, I don't think that they had the same standard for themselves or us as a team as I did or that I would look at them, how I would look at my old optic teammates.

You know, I want them to be playing as much. I want them to take the same criticism, but it was just different. They, like, I don't think that they have ever had somebody on their ass as much as I would be just because I have, like, my only expectation is first. I don't want to go from first to top 12 and top 16. I'm pretty sure I said on my stream after I got Lego from Optic, if I could foresee the future, I would be retiring right now if I am going to get top 12 for a whole year.

And what do you know? I got top 12 for the end of the whole year. Actually, I think I do remember you saying that. Yeah, it was terrible because I don't want to go out sad. I don't want to go out sad. That's the worst thing. I'd rather go out with the second place or, you know, first place even better.

But at least I know that I went out with some dignity. Like getting a top 16 and then like you were saying, I'm like unofficially officially retired. That's just like, you know, terrible that that might be my last experience playing on main stage. So, yeah. but you know i won't go too deep into like how or why we were unsuccessful that year or this past year but i think it even shows like your teammates i mean mickwin now you guys tried to team together mickwin now no longer plays gilky now no longer plays like it just sort of showed where i think

everyone was at in their life yeah like you were kind of like all right let me make this one last thing kind of work force it try to force it to work they were thinking the same thing and then it's just like, oh, it didn't work, all right, we're done. It's almost like the passion and the willing to fight and the drive, like just wasn't even there in the first place. It was like, I hope this works, if not, back to real life. Because, like, my thought process was like, all right, like, I have a lot of confidence in myself.

Let me try. I wasn't like the leader of Optic, but let me try and take what I've learned from that past team and instill it into these new players and instill it to my new teammates and try and get them to come up to the same level as me and same, I guess, thought process and look at the game the same way as I, do and just try and just I guess like I said just be a leader and who was the who was the leader of Optic I wouldn't say like leader I'd say IGL I said Tommy and Matt Tommy because again Tommy wanted to be the IGL we had that conversation after Kansas City and he

you know said I want to be the IGL and we obviously respected that and we were fine with that and we let him lean into that bag and we obviously found a lot of success a lot of wins but I'd say Matt was like right there behind him because Matt is just naturally an IGL and actually naturally is a leader especially with like out of game stuff I'd say that's Matt because he's like keeping the team in check, you know, saying the shit that you want to be saying to your teammates to make sure they're on point and ready to go to war. So I, you know, value Matt heavily, heavily in that regard. Bro, when Matt's on your good side and, like, hyping you up and believing in you and this

is going to sound stupid. But even when we were playing the Specter Divide tourney, and me and Matt's team won that thing, and I was like starting to play good and Matt's beside me, like, looking at my screen. And he's just like, yo, oh my God. Yo, what the fuck? He's shitting. Like, when you get that side of Matt on your team, it really does help. Bro, he's, like, he's my favorite teammate for a reason.

And it's obviously. He's people's favorite. He's other teammates, other people's favorite teammate. Like, a lot of people pick him as. Yeah, he just knows, he knows how to win. I think there's a difference between a veteran and a seasoned winner or a veteran winner. I think that Matt is a seasoned winner because you can be a veteran, like we were just talking about

in the beginning. You know, you can play for a while, but if you don't get that, that one win, then you're just not at the same tier as all these other people. And when you're playing with Matt in the finals, like, when I'm outside smoking a sig with Matt before the finals, better yet, like, what he's saying to me, like, I'm just, I'm ready to go, you know what I'm saying? And that's the one feeling I do miss just about competing is just having that, like, you know, ready to go to go to war feeling. Like, you're about to walk out to go play in the finals. There's people surrounding you. They're just chanting your name. Like, I'm just looking like I'm

locked in. I'm thinking it's a movie. You know what I'm saying? It's just that's one thing that is. It's really how it feels. Yes, bro. That's, that's. especially with the Greenwall chanting your name and like you'll be walking up on stage they'll just be chanting APG APG and I'll just like that I'll try not to crack a smile and I'll just have to smile there's a video there's a clip of me like hearing it and I'm just like I'm trying to stay locked and they just keep doing it and it's like zooming in on me and I just like I start cracking a smile I just can't I can't help it but that's the one thing I do miss about competing is just the just the dopamine of the crowd and just the close game like it does as corny as it sounds it's like

it does feel like you're like going to war together and it's like you have to if my if my like when it came to any time like me demon clutch like cloud we fucked with each other all the time but when it came turny time if they're making good fucking plays I'm hyping them up like yes real and I feel like I knew what to say to Matt and he knew what to say to me just because we're such close friends to like activate each other so like Matt we'd have a conversation Matt be like yo why don't you ever call me twin and stuff like that that's fucking funny and I'll be like if I call you twin on Maystage you're going to go crazy? He's like, yeah, you call me that on a main stage.

I'm going to go crazy. I'm going to start shitting. I did not imagine him saying that. Yeah, and then there's like, I forgot what event it was. It might have been Fort Worth. I started saying it. He was going crazy. He went crazy at event.

So I was like, just certain stuff like that, just little stuff. Yeah, exactly. So like, there's some other stuff, but I can't say that. I'll tell you after, but now that. Call me the N-word. Bro, you would get a different side of me. I'd be the best side ever play in my life. That is what you said.

No, what? He'd be like, yo, say like my, like, say that. I'd be like, yo, should I say that? It's fucking hilarious. He'd be like, yes. That's what I was going to say. Amazing. But it worked, it worked.

I was going to say that's the only other options. Yes, exactly, but it works. That is peak adrenaline. That's great. It worked. And that's why even like the last optic team, like last year, I feel like that was something that they were missing. Not to say, like, I brought it all.

But I feel like that's something they were missing. Just like little stuff like that. on how to activate Matt. Just like, you have to be friends outside the game just so you can know what to do inside the game. And you're just like, that way it's not just straight business. And you're not just looking at each other as just business partners. You're looking at each other as friends.

Like having some fun up there. You have to have fun on main stage or else you're just not going to win, honestly. If you're taking it too serious, you're not going to win. Yeah. But let me think. That was like basically it about last year. I don't want to go too deep into it.

It was just... Basically, you got top... You had a shitty season after being on Optic and basically your placement was second. Yes. Then. Want some events. Then,

yeah, I guess you had a shitty year. And it was, yeah, so after your shitty year, what was it? It was like, I think I'm just going to try to do some content, focus on streaming, and see, see what I can do with this. Yeah. So after last season, I still obviously had a lot of offers. Still was signed a native. And so I was like, you know, let me see what's out there. but also at the same time as when my mom got diagnosed

with stage three colon cancer. So I was like, you know what? I'm here in Florida, I was in back and forth to Florida a lot just for the off season. Like that's when I was doing the intel streams on my porch. But then I was thinking to myself, alright, I don't really wanna compete fully while having to probably go back and forth to Florida.

I take my mom to her chemo appointments. So I was like, you know, let me take the year off in the foreseeable future to make sure I am able to go back and forth and see my family whenever I need to. Because the way that the tournaments are scheduled, you have to play an online 20 the week after the event you don't have much time unless you're a top four team and can skip him which I wasn't on like you have to be playing these tournaments like I had to miss PJ's wedding

because there was an online cup that got moved to like his wedding dates so I couldn't even go because it was so crucial for us especially when making worlds so I said I'm going to take the year off and this is when phase was going to do a collab not a merger because it was just for halo but a collab with native for halo so they were going to split the cost down the middle and it was going to be the phase team and I was going to be the coach of that team and it was going to be the coach of that team and it was going to help Native as well because I was a content creator already for them, and I was going to basically just be a coach, and they would have to just pay one person. They don't have to go and get two people for content and a coach.

So, ironically, when that was like, that had been going or it had been in the work since November, and then in February, when Native announced the merger with Faze, or excuse me, the merger with Envy, that just took me by surprise, and I think it also took Faze by surprise. and when that happened, they decided to go independent with the team because it just didn't make much sense to them to basically merge with three orgs or two of different orgs. So Fays decided to go independent, respectfully so. And that put me in a predicament, you know, whether I want to go fully to Faze and be their coach

or stick it out through content and do the watch parties. But even before the watch party was an option, I was still debating on what I wanted to do. And that same day, I think, is when I had to make that decision. I got the text to say, yo, do you want to go to Faze and be their coach? and the same day you texted me and said do you want to do the watch parties and so that like I thought about it yeah it's insane so I thought about it and I was like you know what I there's not many you don't get many opportunities like this you know I'm saying and I feel like when you when that comes up you have to kind of take it

and so like I said earlier I'm in the tail end of my career you know I'm trying to think of what's next I feel like if you're going to be competing just you should always be trying to make sure that you can transition into something afterwards just whether it be coaching, casting, watch parties, whatever it may be, you want to make sure you build your brand up and make a name for yourself in that way, that way you can just do something afterwards

and you don't have to just resort to going back to, you know, normal life. And so, um, even if it's something just as small as like, like you do your streams and it seems like, oh, APD's just chilling, maybe he's smoking, he's yapping, but it's like, I would tune into those streams

and I'd be like, and like, I'd be like, there's, like, that's when, I started getting watch party like damn y'all I should I should do a watch party start talking like these guys like yeah we can we can do a halo watch party for you and I'm sitting there like people in my chat I think mentioned it and they're talking about like ace and flame sword because obviously they were both on optic as well and they're both my boys as well but I was like like I've seen stuff with APG on his stream just yapping he's still he's still

in the scene and I've seen clips they're not clips just like watching your stream I'm like that motherfucker can yap he's passionate about Halo. I'm like, I feel like he would be a perfect guest. Obviously, I've known you for a long time. One of my best friends for forever. And even just like, it might not seem

like these little streams that you were doing on. It's like, I think it's got to be APG. That's the only way this is the only option. Thank you. Yeah, that's the only other fucking option. I appreciate that. I mean, even while you were just doing, you're probably thinking that's just like, you know, content creator, you're doing streams and shit, but I mean

sometimes, and I'm saying that for maybe someone else could be in a similar situation where the opportunity might not be in front of you right now but like you got a key putting yourself out there and then an opportunity might happen yeah i feel like that's sort of what happened you all think the the watch party went so well that tj started like thinking yeah you think a little bit i think that yeah i think that and the only third i don't want to third yeah the only third i think might i might accept for a third would be tj that's the only option for a third would be tj that's the only option Because TJ, he wanted to come on himself.

Like, he texted me Saturday night and was like, yo, I don't think I'm going to be driving out there. But if I do, I'm going to come on the wash party. And I was like, all right, bet. And he came and he stayed the entire day. So that's how I know he enjoyed it. And TJ don't be doing stuff like that nowadays. So that's how I know, like, he really fucked with it.

So I do. He enjoyed it. That is such a, y'all are such a good. I mean, it's literally BTA. You're such a good trio. That's why I think it works is because it's just like natural. Like I am really happy because you asked me earlier too, like what am I thinking about the washpring?

But like dude, I'm just so happy to go to an event and have fun, man. I can just enjoy Halo because last year was just such a stressful year. I'm getting terrible placement after terrible placement. You got to go in scrimms. Scrims might not go well. You got stressful VOD review afterwards. Are you in? Yeah, I'm smoking.

I'm not smoking to enjoy the high. I'm smoking because I'm stressed now afterwards. Like, it's a completely different. Like when I'm rolling up that joint, it's a completely different joint that I'm smoking. It's completely different. That's stressful. That's a stressful joint when I'm going to bed. Like instead of me just being happy, like a post-wash party joint,

I'm happy as hell, having a great day. Just now I'm spoken, I'm happy, but it was just different. Now it's like I'm happy to go to events, man. I'm happy to watch Halo. I'm happy to talk Halo. You know what I'm saying? I feel like I'm doing something that I'm supposed to. You know what I'm saying?

I feel like this is where I'm supposed to be right now. And God put me in the spot for, you know, this reason in this time period. So I'm having the time of my life, man. I'm having the time of my life. I love like just talking and I love that I'm able to be in a position to just talk because I used to be mad quiet, used to be mad, timid, shy. But now I've come more out of my shell, just being on camera more, speaking to more people, just a bigger audience.

And I just like where I'm going. I like where we're like, like, you know, just where this entire thing is going. Not even just myself, just BTH. Just feels natural. It doesn't feel like any pressure. Yes. We have thought about like, not really thought about, but I don't, I don't want, because people have said like, yo, you should get this person.

Like, yo, you should, y'all should get, like, shy way to be a part of your thing or flame sort or ace. And I'm like, I'm down from them to, like, come on for a series. or something and like hang out but like I don't I don't even want an official third I feel like we both when we're we are both very comfortable with each other to where like we sit down and in front of Halo like we both know what we do best and it's like when it comes to Halo or breaking down something like you can just you can go on for forever and you know the you know the drama you know the intel you know your friends with all the players I know a good amount of them but

it's like I feel like they might maybe have a certain amount of respect for me to be to they know you and then they maybe have a certain amount of respect for me just out of like from halo and then doing content like oh shit maniac made like a name for himself sort of in this shit so there's just with the two of us we can get good guests all the time and and when we don't have guests we are enough to to fill the dead space and um I feel like I don't know sometimes I just feel like if we had a third and it's like it's no offense at all to anyone like Like anyone, we are willing to have anyone on the couch, but just I just don't know if a third would work for us, like how it does with scump, Zinny, Bose. Like, I feel like us too is perfect.

And then any. DJ would be the only option. DJ is probably the only option. Just because, like, TJ doesn't talk that much. But that rotating fourth. But when he does, he's fucking hilarious. And he knows, I mean. Obviously, it's the best player.

Top two of all time. It's just good to have like a mix. Like, you got to have a mixture of, like, funny stuff. and then like being able to lock that in and be like all right this is what happening you would be scumped you would be zen and then obviously song like that

something like that for obvious reasons oh my god you guys are clowns but for real the wash party is like I can't thank you enough Nick I really am grateful for the opportunity man and it's just it like I said

earlier it's just the time period of when it came It's just like I was like out a fork in the road and I was like you know what Let me see where this goes and the last event went It both exceeded our or exceeded both of our expectations honestly Like I didn't expect it to go that well I didn't expect people to be fucking with us that heavy But like we turn on the stream it's just not stop like just people just comments such Super Chats everything weird yeah come it'll come Wow these watch parties suck now but maybe y'all are boring as fuck maybe like if even if they

do like say something like that they're probably forcing saying that you know saying just like a forced has it helped out the stream the personal stream oh hell yeah bro hell yeah i haven't taken bro i haven't taken a day off streaming since i have been back in dallas because i came back to dallas actually um like the week of the kason tournament to coach phase like i was i was coaching phase and then obviously the watch party came up and i was like all right let me do that but i was supposed to come back to dallas to be coaching them at the tournament i was like yo i'll coach you guys when i come back I'll I'll get some reps in but then I was like you know when the watch party came up I was like you know I'm gonna do that and then I just been streaming not stop I've been saying like

all let me take a day off let me take a day off but then like I realized that streaming just like anything else is just a hell of momentum hell of momentum so what you just once you have it you got to take it you got to keep going and I've only had this type of momentum one other time in my career and I say that is when I first started streaming out of here and it being of Halo Infinite when I was just coming here every day to stream and I stopped because I I wanted to just focus on my craft and getting better because I knew Matt is just lurking behind me trying to either take my spot or Ola's.

So I just said, all right, let me take a break off streaming. He really was. He was. He was a plan. Yeah, and I understood it. So like I, like I said, I got a pretty good awareness, I think. So I was like, you know, let me take a step back. Let me focus on this.

That way I can take these like month or two off of streaming so I can have some more longevity in my career and just going forward. And it worked out, you know, obviously got worlds and everything. I wish I didn't stop streaming. I wish I didn't. But I do know now that like I've been in that situation that I like now that I'm in and again I can't stop I have to keep going so I'll just turn on my

stream to yap you know what I'm saying I'll just yeah just about the team changes like I stream like three times the other day I stream my morning stream went on later and then like for an hour and then I got on later that night just because all the team changes happened and I got like 500 people in there all the pros are in there they're shit talking each other you know what I'm just chilling I'm just being I'm just being a mediator I'm just like smoking I'm just I'm chilling and that's what that's what I aspire to do is just like have that ton of just relaxation while making content and then people fucking with it so it's been great man it's been great and i i'm just really excited for the future really really excited yeah fuck yeah oh yeah it's uh i mean yeah

the watch party blew my expectations out and that we say this all the fucking time but there's there there there's definitely i mean you say thank you for the opportunity but like i don't think i don't know how i would do it without you like i don't know who i would like it just has to be this. So in APG, starting to get a little jealous. We have me and Hitch Halo Watch Party? Oh, shit, yeah. I guess we did. Yeah, I'll come on. I'm like, for sure. Yeah, that's all good. No, uh, hitch meat,

suppressed. Somebody tweeted that. When you tweeted us, you were like, yo, I really like what you guys got going on. You get something special. Somebody's like, it's giving jealous X. Like, ooh, what do you guys say? I saw that. Like, what are you guys think? Like, you guys just don't think about people supporting? Like, that's what people don't actually support.

I mean, it's just great for obviously, obviously I want Nick to succeed, but it's great. I think it's great for Optic. I think it's great for Halo. Yeah, same. I think it's like, I think, what is it, LVT? Like those guys are like really holding it down, but like you need like, you need the person from the community. Like, not from the community, but you need that ex pro that doesn't give a fuck that can just have people on and be as casual as possible. Like you need that as well.

Yeah. I feel like there is something going on. And maybe it's just I've been distant from Halo for a little bit But I feel like it like no one was talking about it Unless it's like worlds or something then people are interested But like the regular season It just seemed like And maybe it's because I was outside of it

But it just seemed like no one gives a fuck And now it seems like people are starting to I'm not saying it's because of me But like with LVT with us Shyway a few other people that do watch parties Obviously the main broadcasts but now it's like Halo podcast, which Brad's probably now gonna,

I'm gonna ask you to be a part of it. But like with all this little shit, like sort of coming, people are talking. People are starting to talk about Halo. People are starting to talk about little this team and that team. Which is good.

I feel like there's more talk, weirdly enough for a Halo infinite season four. Like you would think this shit's, bro, at the end of Halo 5, There no one gave a fuck. None. I forgot y'all, I forgot y'all were even playing Sanctuary.

Yeah. I saw like a... Yeah, no one gave a fuck. I saw like a Vod of Halo 5 on Sanctuary and I was like, what? Yeah. I don't remember this at all. It's really like the last season, but it's like people weren't caring that much. And also, there's a lot of team changes that have, like, have happened, especially

like every single team has changed, you know what I'm saying? Which is a rarity. That's a really big rarity. So, and also we're giving people a place to talk about these things, you know what I'm saying? and people are going in our chats, and they'll just be like, yo, what's going on? Team changes,

like they're looking at us for that information, and that's like the, I guess the space that Halo hasn't, or the, what am I trying to think of? Just, that's the one thing Halo hasn't had. It's just that place

where people can go and talk, like a Twitch Reddit kind of. I also think the top four in Halo right now is so exciting. I mean, obviously the us and Shopify is crazy, but like the other two, like when they play each other,

like any variation of those four and then also like what do you think happen with the nemesis guys they just perfectly counter us I think that they're like those are just like some of the best European players that just in the past few years just in AILA Infinite specifically

I'm sure they've been great in other halas but just speaking about this game and I think that when they come to America they get like a two week boot camp so they'll be playing NA teams like they'll be screaming like three times a day I heard and I think they're back in NA So like obviously they did really well last tournament.

I think their org got them another boot camp. Yeah, I saw them looking for screams. I saw them looking for scrimms. So they're gonna be prepared. I think that they're just, their play style. Optiq. The play style just catches a lot of people off guard. Yeah.

Yeah. They're only playing against their European counterparts, usually before events. When they come to NA, they're just mad aggressive. They're just catching people with hell out guard. It's just, it's just their play style, I think, mostly. And they're also just like I said, great players, great players. Who do you think the first team change?

uh since all the roster mania is going to be like i'm from the top four has it already happened top four i can see ssg and phase mixing mixing um i don't know who it's we've talked we talk about this on the watch party of like who from ssg and phase would you want to like mix together and it's like do you keep like a stellar eco duo and then pick up uh suppressed in trippy or something more or it's It's falcated next up. Maybe risk it with him a little bit. Or, but wait, you can't leave Lucid out. So you're now, okay, so Lucid, snake bite, but are they going to clash?

Like, is there something like with Lucid's tone? Does it, does not sit right with snake bite? And is that, so do you, but he's so good. So, okay, if we made a team with Lucid, who would we be like a Lucid, maybe a suppressed, stellar, but like their play styles don't really mesh? I don't know. It's fucking, it's going to be interesting when that time comes. I'm not saying the time is going to come,

but if the time comes, it's going to be interesting, like, who is formed out of those teams. I think that if SSG has a poor placement this next event, because they're not playing these Open Cups, if SSG has a poor placement next event, I think that they'll probably start to try and make a team change just because there's not a lot of time left for them to, I guess, regroup.

I think they obviously still can do really well with their roster. I mean, if you look at that team on paper, they're probably a top two team on paper. Like, look at the accolades. They've got two MVPs in this game. Like, they're all world champions in this game. Somebody has won a world championship on that team every single year. They just have a really big play style clash right now.

I think that, you know, they're just trying to figure out who's going to be that leader because you have stellar, or excuse me, you have Eco and Lucid, both their respective IGLs from their old teams. I think there's low-key egos, like. No, there's got to be something. It's like Lucid knows he's better than them, individually but like

Eco's like bro I was just beating you every tournament last year let me handle and Snake White is like but I've been dominating 15 years why do you have

give PJ that voice that's what PJ's going to watch that and be like why do you make me sound like that shout out it was just one was ego one was accolates and then PJ was like

Rugrats but I've been dominating 15 years straight just because like they're like you All those players, they come from winning camps. PJ comes from a winning camp on base. And Stellars just.

Like, SSG comes from a winning camp or Eco Stellar come in winning camp. Lucy comes from a winning camp on Optic. Like, they just, they have to figure out one way that they want to play and buy into that. Or one system. Like, either, like, this person be the IGL or this person be's a support, you know, whatever the roles may be. I'm just, you know, just saying random stuff now. But you know what I'm trying to say. Like, if you listen to the listeners, you'll hear, like, Tommy's still taking that assertive role being the most vocal,

think you go kind of taking a step back but I'm used to Kevin being the more assertive yeah that's probably what Braden's used to so all three of them are in the same teams are I get the rosters mixed up so it's like snake bites stellar eco lucid yes so that's because when you look at those team you're like all right they have to somebody's gonna have to take a like a step back or change something up three like from one from my understanding least from the outside looking in yeah like IGO is there's a um there's I'm not going to think of the word but I feel like if you join a

it's almost like if you join a college there's a certain this is how we run our program and like you join a team with snakebite this is how we run the program over here you join Eco's SSG this is how we run it over here your team with Lucid

this is how I've run it I feel like that's three different college programs into one team and then you just have stellar again Stellar is just meditating meditating

Braden's like the most aggressive on that team so I think that they're like also I saw this during the Open Cup that they played in they were trying to kind of speed up their gameplay and be faster I think to cater to Braden because Braden's like he's always the person in the front lines just running at you 5 and you

I think they're trying to you know speed up with him I noticed that just during their gameplay last weekend I think I think Tommy he was so fun to I want you guys's opinions on this because I'm coming from like a spectator side he was so fun to watch

when the sandbox was just beautiful and now typical esports the pros have made the game boring

and now it's not as fun to watch do y'all like the GAs and shit I think the GAs make the gameplay better they make the gameplay better but I think from a viewer's perspective like a spectator perspective

it's probably shitty bro I don't think Tommy shot his BR season one ever. I feel like the mangler shouldn't be in. The mangler makes sense. I feel like we should have stuff like a sword.

The heat wave, the heat wave should be in. The heat wave is fun as fun to watch. Heat wave can just be O.P. I think the heat wave was okay. I like the shotgun. Yeah, I think the shotgun probably had to, because the shotgun was an auto shotgun. You hold the trigger down and you could just

like it doesn't take much. That's the issue with it. You know what I'm saying? But the heat wave kind of had to have some sort of skill with it. You had to be able to ricochet. Maybe just like less bullets or. but uh i feel i wanted to see the sword in because just from a spectator like of course it's going to be like oh my god it's such a cheesy death there's nothing i can do but like from a spectator pov you

see someone with a sword yeah you want to take like it's kind if you get a double kill with a sword like it's just it's another it's super good at the frosty frosty with sword sword thrusts like i think the issue the issue was and i could be wrong on this is I think you could run the flag and stuff faster when you have the sword. So if you got the sword out and you're running the flag, you're just going super fast, you know what I'm saying?

And there were maps like Catalyst. You had to update the sword on. Yeah, but how long is that going to take? Yeah, how long is it? You can't really. That's the issue because, like, right now they just made changes to the maps to take out the shoddy

because they realize nobody's using them. So they put a different weapon there, but that just came like, I think, in the past few months. And that's been G8 for at least a year now, I'd say. Yeah. So that's the issue. It's like if 3, 43 or HTS was able to implement

these weapon changes immediately like on a whim then I think people would be more open to using more of the sandbox I think this I mean I think it's it's not boring like it's obviously

it's still fun to watch because the most most maps have something I just don't think the shock rifle's fun to really watch really I like it do you it's like when they get a headshot I'm like okay

it looks like it's really easy to use like when you're watching it looks like you're just like it looks really easy but I think they they made it harder to use. I'm trying to think of the correct word.

It wasn't less like headshot magnetism. Yeah. Yeah. But it's still like you can get really easy headshots with it. But it's like it's, I think it's kind of necessary on a map like recharge because you need that kind of just balance. If not, the people are just going to be flying in nonstop.

Yeah. I like the shock rifle. I'm not. So right now the sandbox is pretty much DMR starts or whatever it's called. What is it called? Bandit starts and then you've got BRs on the map.

And then the little, the commandos. and then the little pistols. Plasma pistol. The plasma pistol. Oh, the plasma pistol in the magneto as well. The magnet. But they took out the disruptor, which is like a little, like a shock rifle pistol essentially.

But it was because- Oh, I also like that gun on streets. The beam? The beam. Yeah, yeah. Not Sentinel beam. No, oh, I forgot about the Sentinel beam. Forgot about that.

Holy shit. The red gun. That's a three-shot head shot. Yeah, yeah. Whatever. That's still in. That's still in. Because that's kind of hard to use.

I can't even like that. That gun is, I never got killed with that. It's hard as hell to use. There's some motherfuckers who are just so good. Matt, every time Matt has it. I would be dropping that for all my teammates all the time. See Tommy?

Lucy fucking. Because I know he'd be happy as hell with him. I'd be like, yo, you could take this. I forgot about the Sentinel beam, bro. Yeah, the Sentinel beam. But like, even what you're saying about Tommy in the sandbox, you're one, like, that was his, like, that was him, you know,

in the sandbox. Do I think that it nerved him? Not necessarily, but I think there's just, like, he has to adjust his way of play. You know what I'm saying? He's not able to adjust. Because when you play with, that amount of the sandbox, you are always thinking,

all right, spawn up, there's a weapon, let me grab it, let me grab it, let me adjust my playstyle mid-game to where I'm staying alive with this weapon, maybe getting a little bit more distance on the people I'm fighting, my teammates go in front of me. Like if I have a VR, I'm trying to, you know, take a little bit more long-range fights, you know, watch the crosses with it rather than being super up-close with it because it's more difficult now to use up-close.

So I think that just with those changes, he had to adapt and just kind of switch up his place-style, and I think other people realized that, too. Yeah. Yeah. I think the sandbox year one was fun to watch because everything was so different. There was a purple gun and then there was a beam and then there was a sword and then there was a shock rifle. But nowadays it's all like the military, it's all like the, you got an AR, an American AR and then you've got two other American ARs and then a pistol.

And then the only like fun looking gun is the shock rifle and then the three shotgun on street. I can't remember the name of it, but In year one, bro, it was fucking everything was, you're using alien guns and human guns and, but then there was no like, there was no like, uh, I like the, I like the maps that are

like, uh, snipes going against each other. That's what I like, like pit. I like, uh, symmetrical maps, each team gets a snipe. Those are my always sanctuary, narrows, pit. Right. Uh, even now like,

fortress or forbidden? Yeah. I think Fortress is a good map. Forbidden? Forbidden. It kind of looks similar. I kind of like I just, that those are my favorite. I think forbidden is a good.

Forbidden's a fun map and ranked. Forbidden's cool. Fortress. I don't even think I've played Fortress. I need to start playing. Like I feel like I'm on, I'm in, I've dove back into Halo. I dove back into Halo doing the watch parties. After the watch party hopped on Halo, chat it a little bit.

Then I was like, all right, let me play a few games. And I played like two games of ranked. Like I'm still, I just finished my placement matches. So I'm not, I'm not even Onix yet. But I'm just like, bro, I just, so bad. It's so depressing trying to play again. I'm so bad. It's like, so I'm just like, I don't want, I don't, I'm stressful.

I played like two games and I'm just raging instead of just playing Minecraft and having fun. But like, I feel like a fake. And I feel like it'd be better for the watch party if like, you know, you're searching in the morning. Boom. match maniac and APG or something. I know you be playing, but I feel like I gotta start playing again because I feel I almost feel

like a fake just using the prime time shows and the tournaments. And not playing the game. Not actually even playing the fucking game. I mean, I think what I'm just so bad. What what Zuma does is he'll do like eights. Either eights with

this community or eights with like old man eights. I feel like dude if y'all are if y'all ran old man eights like twice a week like that shit would be so fun. I just don't know who you could get there'd be infinite amount of people I've seen like two

I've seen like two no pun I've seen two ogre one and ogre two I've seen the ogre's play clutch might be down but then after that like neighbors sort of disappeared T which squared's back in jail T squares in jail

no it's just like it's like a joke because T square would like disappear and people are like where's two squared and the joke is this he's in jail and that's sort of been like the last 10 years of walsh she might play while she might play but like trying to get everyone on and then just get like a discord sir i'd rather us all if we're gonna make that effort let's get on

halo three or so yeah you could get on halo three people would like that people would like that or viewers just like we would love that honestly probably that shit would be that should be so fun yeah just me lunch lunch let's be lunch roin apg versus goofy club goofy with too goofy with too Goofy Elamist. Best man. Best man will play too. Like you gotta think about the coaches.

The coaches. Elamite. Dude, there's literally unlimited pros in y'all's game. Now that we're like brainstorming, it's like, they're all coming out. Like, we're just thinking of new names. Honestly,

what, like, you, like, thinking about all the weapons that are currently in play and the weapons that aren't, it makes me realize that we got a pretty small sandbox now. Like, when you just think about the precision rifles,

there's not that much, which, honestly, I think that there should be probably one or two more weapons. How many maps are their rockets on? Solitude or the not Solitude is it Coliseum. Coliseum. Oh yeah.

What's Coliseum called? Origin. Origin. That's what I'm thinking of. Is Pitt still in the game? No, they took Pitt out. Pitt was like the one map that is an older map that I actually really fucked with in this game. I love that map.

I feel like it worked for this game. My favorite map. It did. It did. I didn't. Yeah, I didn't like Argyll that had like two snipers, but that got really, really stale. And that was in for a new streaming long time. That map is huge.

It was, because there was no changes. Like, what they'll do is they'll keep a map, but make some changes on it. That way it's just a little bit more fresh. You got to, you know, it changes the meta a little bit. You move the West from here to here. It changes, you know, everything. But on that map, they just changed, like, the equipment because the new equipment got put in the quantum, and that was it. I was like, they didn't try and make, like, you know, the sniper is a different place.

Flags may be a different place. I'm just, you know, saying random stuff. You know, what, you know, it might be sacrilege, but the maps that I've never liked, in Halo are like the zealot stypest type match yeah like midship you never liked midship that's the greatest halo map of all time and then like what's the what's the map in this game that's kind of like that not not like that but like I never fuck with terminal you're insane um hitch just said he doesn't like midship I just never fucked I just I it all looks the same to me you got something against the covenant top purple top purple the whole the whole map the

The most famous call out of all time, P2. P1, P2, P3. Is that where it comes from? Yeah. There's a pink tower. Pink one, pink two, pink three. Or it's purple-ish. Whatever color they did.

The whole map's purple. Whatever color they decided to do. What's the map with the camo in the middle on the, in, infinite? There's a bridge and there's camo in the middle. Recharge? Recharge? Wait, no. Aquarius.

Aquarius. Aquarius. Yeah, I don't really like Aquarius either. You got something against the aliens. Maybe it's the aliens. You have something against the aliens. I like the alien guns, but I don't like the alien maps, man. Because Aquarius is kind of like, any symmetrical map I fuck with.

Yeah, I think symmetrical maps are like, that's my favorite, honestly. I try to think of non-symmetrical maps at this fucking point. I fucked with behemoth in the beginning. I was like, this is a nice, long distance. I fucked with bizarre. I fucked with bizarre. That was the worst map in Halo history. I love that map.

The thing what bizarre was, it's just like, it's the line of sights. I tried to wall bang. That map's so cod-pilled. I tried to wall bang with it. I got one one shot, and then I wasted a snip shot trying to wall bang. I was like, what the fuck? There's like three lines of sight or three lanes. You got the far left lane, which is shoddy.

You got the right side, which is like the windows, and you got just a straight mid. And then, like, if you got the flag out, you couldn't do anything because there's just like, oh, there's buildings right in front of you. Like, you're in an actual city. Like, you're in a village. That map would be so fun on. There's three maps like live fire streets recharge

Those are maps that aren't symmetrical But they do really work for Halo Infinite I like I hate recharge You really do? I think that everything's a doorway fight I fuck with I'm top white I'm looking top A in the doorway I'm top fucking gold I'm looking down gold pipes

In the doorway like everything's just a jiggly fucking I don't like the jiggle peak that's come with the bandit I just think that it's just like Just, I don't know. There's this movie. That and the ghost jump, I just feel like those are two things that just need to be patched or taken out. I feel like they give people that aren't that great an advantage in certain fights because they're just doing easy mechanics. You know what I'm saying?

Ghost jump. I don't even like the G's just G sliding off shit. I like the G slide in this game, but I don't like the little like, you know, the little turn away. The shoot, shoot, the shoot, the shoot straight. The shoot, shoot, like the crackhead straight. Sprint shoot. Like that. How people are doing it?

Motherfuckers are getting weird. They're shooting, shooting, and then they're slightly sprint shooting against slightly. So it's just... They look away to spread real quick. If you hit it... What? If you hit that shit, it looks clean as fuck.

I see Royal 2 trying to warm up against bots doing that shit. I bet you woe Tom is good at it. It might be. Yeah, probably. Because he can flick real easy. Because that's the issue, because you have to plan on a high sense to be able to do it.

Because you have to look away real quick, sprint, and then look back. But I feel like it's... If you do do it, it looks crazy. But if you don't, you look pretty stupid. Yeah, you're like, it's because it's like, you could have just kept shooting, but you're just, like, looking away. Is there a Halo map, or maybe we could save it for, like, an optic pod or something?

It's got to say, like, a Halo map tier list or something? I feel like we made, probably, we had to have done that. Y'all should definitely do that. That's a really good idea. Maybe, maybe save it for the halo pod. What's the best map in Halo history? Midship. Yeah, I would say midship.

It's either midship or, like, because you got to think of one that's... I would say midship or sanctuary. I was going to say that, too. Because you got think of one that's, like, transcended different games. It's been in a lot of different games too. So I say Pitt, but this pit's just kind of standard. I really like lockout, and that's not symmetrical. Yeah.

I really like lockout. The Halo 5 map? Halo 5 map. Halo 2. And then it was also... Halo 2 anniversary. It was in Halo 2, Halo 2 anniversary. Oh, it's like the...

Okay, I know what you're on. There's a window. There's a library. There's a top B.R. There's a snipe tower. Yeah. There's top blue with a lift. I liked Warlock a lot, too.

Is that the thing that you could, like, shoot down the... Bicycles? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

That's funny Because I remember that That happened to Mickwin When I was seen with him In H. Shoy Oh yeah They shot the icicles down Yeah Tugar did

We lost game five Wait Tugur shot them down And killed Mickman Damn It's actually a crazy way The go The fucking go

The fucking go I mean that's actually a good idea To do the halo To your list Because even looking at these maps There's not Are these all the maps That are in

We'll do one in the halo pod Because these are These are just fucking Infinite It doesn't look like There's that many maps Though Live fire is like

The best map in the Okay, that's all the maps. Okay, okay. Oh my God. Wait, that's all the maps in Infinite? Those are the Infinite Maps? That's all Halo Maps, because I see Waterworks. Jesus.

Ew. What? So all these maps are in Halo Infinite? That's what it looks like. I mean, but they're counting Snowfire as Live Fire. Oh, okay. Yeah, because some of them, like, you play, you play, like, live fire in a different playlist, they'll have different environment effects and stuff like that.

Like, I'll play the rig now in, like, a Team Doubles playlist, and that'll be, like, mad dark, there's snow, So I think they just make different changes based on the playlist. What is House of Reckoning? That's a crazy map name. There's probably, bro, there's probably some playlist in Halo Infinite that we haven't entered. That's probably like low-key. Bro, y'all should play duo-chue.

Yeah, we could. That shit would be fun to watch. I'd be down. I want to get into BTB. Like, BTB is its own community. I used to love BTB. It's BTB people will be going crazy. They'd be having fun, but I couldn't even, it's probably just chaos over-simulating.

Let's do like a fun stream where we play like Big Team Battle or something. I just haven't had fun in big team battle since Halo 3, Halo 2. I think this game is really fun in BCB. That's the only, I feel, like, side outside of competitive and ranked and shit. I feel like the big team battle is like what's holding it, it's holding it down over there. Yeah. That's the only other, like, community, it seems like. Because Halo has, like, four different communities, or maybe, like, even more, but I'm like, there's a SWAT community, Slayer, B-TB.

I say doubles in 4B4 kind of like intertwined And then there's one other Forge as well So there's like different communities That's why I wish that Halo Infinite Was like fully done when it released Because imagine all those communities

Being able to play Halo Infinite at once Like it can't everybody got to play it Just one by one just at different times Like Forge didn't get to do their thing Until like a year or so later down the road But Forge in this game Was so sick when it released But by the time

By that time the entire mouse and key community was out the door because it was unplayable. Yeah, exactly. That's another thing. And that was a huge thing about Halo Infinite is like it's a new Halo game where you're able to use different inputs

and you can actually compete with these inputs too. Do we know if they've started another one? Like a new halo? I think that they are starting a new one and that's why they did the little Unreal Engine announcement but I don't know when it's going to come out. I'd say probably 22-7. Are we on Unreal Engine?

Not yet. The new one's going to be. The new one's going to be on it. That was like their big marketing test. Also, we had someone on the couch. chokes and we were talking about like what don't what oh because they didn't have an org and it was like so what

org are you guys talking to anyone or what he was like yeah we are talking to someone um you know without saying too much not going to tell you who but like there's a reason there are some bigger orgs getting back into halo during year four I was like oh shit I was like damn what does that yeah remember you tell me because I have no idea with that this could it be a BR is it a upgraded Halo infinite like a whole maybe Halo infinite but just a new

engine, new maps, new mechanics. It might even be something, but it's no way it's like a Halo 6. You're thinking like, you're thinking like exciting shit. It could be a new update. It could be that like, HALO might be getting better like, like skins, skin payouts and, and like, ways to get like a profit. Like it might be better.

It might be something that simple. I think that there's actually e-sports that pay orgs for. people to play in their esport. So maybe it's something that simple, which is not nearly as exciting. I think that these... I'll wrap it for a commish. These orgs, they're, like,

I'm trying to go back to like Halo Infinite, or before Halo Infinite. So before Halo Infinite came out, I was on Sentinels with Syncbyte Lethal World 2, right? And Sentinels signed us because they didn't want anybody else to sign us. And that's before all the partner teams came in, before people even knew what partnership was,

but Sentinels wanted to be the first, and they got their mad, early like this is early 2020 and partner teams didn't get announced or people weren't looking at the partnered teams until like later that year and then halo infinite didn't come out until later 2021 so i think that these orgs probably are coming in for the long haul and trying to be there when the do halos comes out and they have you know first dibs at partnership because i knew that's what sentinoles wanted to do and that's their best bet on also making some profit on in the game so i think that there is something positive coming for halo i mean i'm i'm trying to be positive about it obviously that would

be good for us. Like, I don't want Halo to not succeed. That's the number one goal is for Halo to be at the highest, highest stage. But I wish there was also more transparency. I wish that we kind of knew what was going on. Like,

even if I'm not allowed to say anything, I wish that there was some NDA, like NDA signings or something like that where I can know that, you know, this is coming in the foreseeable future. Like, I don't think there's going to be a Halo game next year, but I think there will be one in 2027,

but I don't know when in 2027. It's got a drop with Forge. We got to, hopefully. It's got a drop with Forge. what if a new halo comes you're going to leave man no you're going to start playing we've already we've already had this conversation

I'm in the BTH watch party for the long haul but what about well I don't we'll see what next year has in store hopefully if hopefully it's not you know now that we just got something started we're going to obviously finish out the year and then hopefully next year there's something as well to keep going

but if a new halo comes out man I'm worried that because obviously I'm not competing but if like you get some big like salary offer you know i don't know i've seen i've seen that hopefully this goes crazy and i can get something for you thank you i appreciate that but i've seen like i've seen all of us eat yeah we're all we're all all of us all of us all of them i've seen i've seen that story happen like a few times in infinite already and i just again i want to be able to be self-aware enough to be like all right this is it's just not it's not the time for me like and like say for instance like

Sight Down. Sight Down came out of retirement, started playing Hale Infinite. It just didn't turn out the way he was expecting, and he went back to Apex. And I feel like when he went back to Apex, it was slow. Like he never, he left sort of like out of peak in Apex. Then he came back to Alo, then went back to Apex, and it was like a little slow for him. Yeah, that's the thing is because like once you stop, like you lose that momentum. So imagine I, you know, and also McQuin, Mickwin.

Mickwin was working at 3-4-3, and then he decided to come back to, Halo Infinite once he saw the salaries, once he saw the money that was being put in. And when you work at three for three, you're not able to compete until a year after you leave. So say I left on April 20th. I'm not able to compete until April 20th the next year. You know what I'm saying? It's like a year from that date. So Mickwin waited a year. He was a native as a content creator. And then that year was up, he started to compete again, but realized that he just didn't have the same passion or the same drive. And he decided to go and retire again. So no disrespect to him or sign down at all. I'm just saying how it was. So

I want to be able to be able to look in the mirror and be like alright listen you've been doing this for a long time you're 30 years old dang yeah ain't that old but it is no when I think of you informal as 30 it's fucking

insane because I was like 19 and they're fucking 16 17 yeah because like but even that it just we never was like my younger friend and when you're in the gaming scene it's just like they're my boys.

Right. Like, it's like age isn't even, but now it's like, we're damn near, we're the fucking same age. We're fucking 30. It's insane. Dang.

It is, it's like crazy nowadays when you think about it because back in the day you wouldn't ever be 30 teaming with like a 20 year old or something like that. Everybody was within like four years of each other.

Everyone was like 17 to 22. Yes, but now like I could be 30. I was team with collect last year. I've been playing as long as he's been alive. Damn there. He's like 19 or 20 or he was like 19 when we team. I've been playing for 18 years.

I'm playing longer than he's being alive. Like it's just that's that's crazy. It's crazy when you say it like that. It's crazy we say it like that. But like I'm I have had my success and if I didn't have the amount of success that I've had, especially in these recent years, then I'd probably be in my head being like, oh, maybe I want to go back and try and get the extra win. But I got my, I got my ring. I got my trophies. I get this couple over there.

I don't really have too much to prove to the scene. in terms of like competitiveness. This point it's all about just sustainability and enjoying what you're doing. Yeah, like I've got... As long as you're making a decent living off of it. Yeah, like I got my wins. Now it's like, let me capitalize on that.

Like, what can I do with my brand to make sure I'm reaching my full potential instead of just trying to keep chasing that because I've been in that spot before. I just, I want to continue what we got going on now because I know what it's like to just go and try and compete and then not be able to live up to your own standards. And that's what I had last year.

and I don't want to go back to that. I want to make sure that going forward I'm in a good mental state. I'm happy. I'm enjoying what I'm doing and, you know, that's all that matters to me right now. I think that's where we're both finding,

to be honest. I think we're both sort of figuring that out. If you guys, I'm going to wrap this up. I have a haircut at 130. But yeah, if you guys don't know, we started the pod light. If you guys don't know, APG, we started the watch party, boom, was a banger.

He then got offers from a top, from a top eight team. declined it and now he's getting offers from the HCS on the desk but they're trying to steal your man he's staying loyal to the BTH community

to BTH watch party because he is BTH it's not my show and he's a co-host it's simply both of our shows I don't know if I'd be able to do it without him so thank you yeah man the longer you I need you

I need you to Matt could you go back to the docs page um okay last thing dream hack dallas may 23rd to 25th halo and call of duty in the same spot same building you ain't seen that since mLg 2012 or something actually probably early maybe 11 yeah maybe early in that maybe 2011 i think it was right tickets should be in the description uh discount code for using optic spell it the right way capital t capital oh of course hex will come match you. And yeah, we're going to be at DreamHack as well. I don't think they have us. I think LVT's taking our spot beside the beside the, but it's all good, man. We're going to have a

banger event anyways. Come through. Man, the Cod guys, the Halo guys, your favorite content creator, Hitch will be there banging drums or something. I don't know. Maybe not banging, but he'll be there. I'll be there, though. I think we're doing like a meet and greet or something. Are we? Yeah. So like, please come out to the event. Pull up, please. But, yeah. Dream hack Dallas, May 23rd, 25th. Get your tickets.

Link in the description below. Shout out APG for joining us today. Thank you. Thank you for having me. My brother for a long time, man. That's going to do it for the flycast. Matt Craig. Played the outro music.

Sir, see you guys at Dreamack.