The Flycast - Our Deepest Conversation Yet (The Flycast #006)

Episode Date: January 5, 2018

Our Deepest Conversation Yet (The Flycast #006) by The Flycast

Check, check, check, check, check, check, check, check. Mike, Mike, Mike, Mike, Mike, Mike. We got to get our energy out. Okay. By six hours. Plus. I don't know. I feel like we've never done a podcast after like, well, actually, yeah, maybe six hours.

Yeah, maybe like the first one we did pretty late at night, but ever since then. Not 3 a.m. with Mike and Pruffi. asleep on the couch on the couch so he was saying that like naturally like even though it we don't really care because we warned them

yeah we warned them we said hey we're gonna do a podcast then they went back to sleep and so it's kind of like in the back of your mind it's like you don't really want to talk that loud I probably won't be doing my screeching laughs and it's like 3 a.m. and the house is just dead oh yeah right by

right beside Will's room hasn't seen a human being inside of it in a long time. It's scary. Yeah, there's just all sorts of, definitely a weird, a different environment for the, for the flycast. Everyone listening is like, what the fuck is this shit? Yeah, like, I did not. I want the flycast. It'll turn around.

It will turn around. We just got to warm up. So, what's happened? It's only been a week. a week we don't have six months of content to talk about right now what what is just um i've been i don't know how much you want to talk about like business stuff but that's i don't know how much we can yeah i mean we can't i know we can't talk about like specifics obviously but what's a business in your life right now i mean that's basically like that's like what's consumed me lately

that's that's why we couldn't yeah do the podcast this like yeah yeah Because you're leaving tomorrow. I'm having company over tomorrow, like for the weekend. True. So I'm trying to do like four videos in one day. Yeah. Yeah. I was like, oh, let's do the podcast.

And you're like, but I'm streaming. I was like, all right. After streaming, it's fucking 2 a.m. Yeah. And when I say like the business stuff as far as stuff in my life, I'm not even talking about streaming or my personal YouTube. It's just like things of like. Yeah, it's changing.

Things are changing. And I think it's a good thing. I'm excited. Can I say, uh, like I walked down here in the fucking meeting I walked into was like next level. Yeah. Dude, the meeting we had today was probably, it was probably, not even probably, it's like by far the best meeting we've ever had. Yeah.

As far as Jay Hex and I. And Aaron was there. Yeah. Because you guys handle like the vision, fucking optic nation, the future of that kind of stuff. I mean, yeah,

I mean. And then like everything else kind of revolves around that. Yeah. So it's like when I came downstairs and walked into, I was like, I saw hex there with a poster board. Yeah. Poster board.

Everything drawn out. Dude, I was in a different mind state during that. Like, yeah, or you were like prancing around, pacing around. I was literally pacing around the kitchen. We got to do this.

Dude. But like, I'm so glad. I don't know if you've ever seen me in that state before. Yeah. But it's just like whenever I get, like, I don't know, whenever I like super, or I'm super passionate about something.

And I feel like obviously the future of optic content is something that I'm obviously really passionate about. And that's all we were talking about. That's all we've been talking about for a while. And then none of this is going to make sense until Three months from now Yeah until it happens Yeah

But it's been the plan all along And then I go upstairs and and just Read Internet comments about how I'm a terrible I'm terrible on my job Like dude now we gotta get into Twitter I don't know

I don't know what do you mean I don't know how you let that I don't know you like search for it I don't search for it I don't search for it. I think we're like complete opposites when it comes. You don't search for it, but you go to where it's going to be at. It's inevitable. A hundred percent going to be there.

Yeah. And I bet there's, I don't know for sure, but I'm sure there's 10 good comments and then a bad one. Yeah. And it's like, fuck the 10 good ones. Fuck this bad one. Fuck you guy. I think what mostly, because I kind of, I don't know if I actually got over it, but I feel like I kind of got over just the, the, do you just hit yourself? But the hat, I'm not used to that.

The bucket hat would just graze it and then just like push in, but this one just, yeah, so I feel like I eventually got used to the whole like just random hate from random people. there. They're so dumb. But I think the stuff that like actually bothers me is is stuff that like I could see it like carrying some sort of weight if you didn't know what I actually or like what actually goes on behind the scenes. Like people are talking about how like, I don't know, obviously vision hasn't been been out in a while and it's so easier just to be like.

Vision hasn't been out in a while. Hitch sucks at his job now and he's lazy and he doesn't do anything. But there literally are like five different reasons of why. Yeah. You know. And it's like as a business, you can't. Oh, I, because a 16 year old is telling you, where's vision? Like you can't be like, oh, well, this is what happened.

Well, this is what happened. And this person doing this. Yeah. And then it's hard to even explain it because it's like putting it on other people. Yeah, exactly. I literally can't say anything because you're not going to sit here and put it on. Like, why didn't it? Because this is completely just an example.

But like, why didn't it? Because none of the COD team wanted to do interviews. Yeah. And that's a good. That's not what happened. Yeah, it's not what happened. But it's like you. If that was the reason why something like that didn't come out, it's like you can't just say that.

Yeah, because if you, like, it's kind of like if I say what's actually going on, then that kind of like, it like puts a bad light onto another person. It portrays them. Yeah, in a different way. And I'm just like, I'll just eat it, man. Like, I don't. But there's, there is, there are like, there are like so many things that go on behind the scenes. And it's just, I think that's what eats me a lot. And it's not even like it's anyone's fault.

It's just. Just the way the world works. Yeah. Yeah. And I understand that. I'm not. I don't know. Maybe I do like read into it too much or just let, I don't know how you, I like, see I like, see you and Bose and like Ashley and you guys have like the thickest skin ever.

Or like, I don't know if you have thick skin or you just don't care. I know Ashley for sure has thick skin. She was just telling me about how... Yeah, for sure. She reads shit and she was like... It depends. It doesn't even phase me anymore. It's like if I know...

I don't know. It's like... I put myself... Not I put myself first, but I... But I headbutt microphones on podcast. Shit, what was I saying? Like, what hurts most is when I know... I'm not doing something that I could have.

Yeah. Like the fucking, uh, like the content a couple weeks ago. And not doing that forever. Right. It's like, that was on me.

So when people are shitting on me for that, I'm like, fuck yeah. Like this does suck. Yeah. But when it's like, the whole, uh,

vibe vision. Like with that, it was like, Yeah, you just can't say anything. I had but this thing one more time. Dude. It's like that, that type of stuff doesn't affect me as much because it's like,

you guys don't really know, but I'm not just going to make a vlog about it. Or like, I'm not just going to like sit down and make a vlog about it the next day because people are complaining about it. Yeah. Maybe that's like, you see it as like, it doesn't affect me because you guys don't know.

for me it's like it really affects me because you guys don't know you know what I mean and that's just how the that's the difference between the two of two of us as far as like that is concerned but yeah you're right like when when people will say god that video sucked and and I'm like yeah I mean yeah I mean did but like we have to do it doesn't well does that bother you if like you know if I put out a video vision kind of sucked and like people are saying it sucks yeah oh do you Dude, yeah, there are some visions. I'm not going to, I'm a little biased,

but I'm not going to say any vision is like bad. Like I never like half-assed a vision, I guess. Like I never like actually was like, I just want to get this over with. So I'm just going to throw some shit together. I genuinely try on every vision. But there are some visions where I'm just like, damn, this did not flow as well as other visions.

This is not work out. I could have did. Yeah. Exactly. I could have shot this better or the audio messed up on this part or just like stuff like that. And then I'm just like, damn. And then you, and I've been sitting at my desk for six or seven hours and I've also been shooting for a while. And then I put it out and it's just like, damn, this vision kind of sucked.

That's what some people like, that's what the comments say. You're just like, damn. I can understand stuff like that because like when people kind of shit talk, in that sense when it's like deserved like I don't I don't sit here and be like

oh they're just little idiots because sometimes it's the shit talk is deserved I mean we put ourselves out there and we get critiqued

because that's just the world we put ourselves in yeah and it's just something you have to accept yeah i mean i'm um it's not really that big of a deal but but i think i've said this numerous times i i feel bad saying this because i know there are probably some pretty cool people who

get on the internet and shit talk it's probably not often but i'm sure some people do it yeah but i always tell myself i know zero cool people who are on uh thread or fucking Twitter, YouTube comments, uh, talking shit. I would never go to my friend's house and like see him

typing in PewDie Pye's YouTube comment section. You're a fucking idiot. But then there's me when I was 16. When I was, when I was 14 to probably 17, 18-ish, I was probably one of those guys. I wouldn't go out.

It was mostly like Xbox Live, just like talking shit through the mic and stuff like that. I was one of those kids you hated. Oh, I can see that. But I don't think I ever... Oh, no. Yeah, I did. There was...

Did you say you still like... You run apart? Do you even know about like the MLG forums? Like the MLG forum days when it was popping? Yeah, yeah. Like Halo team prediction threads and stuff like that. that yeah that shit's been out since like oh five or like oh six i don't know if it's what if it even exists now yeah but i remember from like oh five to maybe like 2011 or i don't know something like that

but those were like it's prime years and like everyone would go there to see like drama what's happening with teams and then i was just a little aim at the time like 2000 2005 2006 2007 and I was one of those kids who had neg rep like my little bar was red oh wow if you got if you got a lot of positive rep you'd get more green bars and I was that kid with negative rep with more red bars because you were just shit talking yeah so I guess I can see that while she's just running shit at the time and you're just yeah I was definitely one dumb yeah you I don't know if I talk shit to pros, though. It's mostly just talking shit to other people. To other amy's.

Yeah. Yeah. But it happens. I guess you just grow up, grow out of it. Yeah. Yeah, I remember you tell me one time that you like went back and saw your old tweets and you would like tweet, you like tweeted

basketball players. Oh yeah. It was like rappers. Rappers, that's one of those rappers. Yeah. I feel like, no, I was like, I was like, okay, maybe I guess maybe that's why I don't care as much as you do. Yeah. Because I kind of was that guy and I understand it's like an age thing and they just don't,

they just don't really get it yet. Yeah. Or they just actually do care at the time and that's the only way their brains know how to put out their opinion. It's crazy the level of care too. Like, like, the level that people care about certain things within Optic. Yeah. Like, there are the fans.

And then there are the hardcore fans, which are, like, they read into, they are, like, more, hardcore fans are, like, more critical than, you know, opposition. It's like, it's like looking at a basketball team. It's saying there's some die-hard, Cavs fan. Yeah. Like he's probably been at a game

and as LeBron's walking off he's like, fuck you're the broad. But he loves LeBron. But he just it's like instead of it's like no man

instead of talking shit to the NBA players go try to be not an NBA player because you probably can't. You're probably five, nine, and not very athletic. I'm not making it to the NBA, but it's like, why sit there and talk shit instead of like trying to be the guy who's climbing success and getting shit talked? Yeah.

That makes sense. Yeah. No, I feel that. And it's, it's like, it's like the casual phase. is not going to critique the org. They're the people in like, going back to the basketball reference, like the nosebleeds,

and they're just happy to be there. And it's like, if the team makes a point, they're going to cheer. But if the team misses a point, they're not going to be upset. Or, like,

they're not going to, like, critique what went wrong and why they missed that shot. They're just going to be like, oh, we missed. Instead of, LeBron should have passed it

to this person. They should have done this play. Because like, but at the same time, if LeBron heard you saying that, he would be like, who like, who the fuck? Like, who are you? Like, dude, we had, the play was drawn up like this. Kyrie's pinky hurt. So I knew I couldn't pass it to him.

Yeah, exactly. He hurt his foot on the plate before. Like, you don't. Right. You don't ever. And then obviously there's times where there's obviously something that you can just shit talk. Yeah. someone just fails or no for sure something but i was i don't know it's like instead of people

i don't know it's like i not that i don't want to be an entertainer but i don't want to be i don't i don't want to just be someone's distraction like they get home from school and the the type of people that'll critique me or you or optic or just anyone it's like i don't want them coming on from school and just like catching up on what's going on in the gaming world like i don't want to be the guy that's just entertaining you and distracting you from like real life like i want to like my ultimate goal in this is not to just be a distraction or an entertainer it's to spark the people who are watching to go do something good themselves as well. Yeah.

And try to be successful. Yeah. Like if that makes sense. Because I know a couple of visions you go, it was like, everyone was like, he doesn't want to do YouTube. But it's like, I don't, it's not that I don't want to do YouTube. It's that I don't want to just be a distraction. I don't want to just be an entertainer. I want to like

Like I guess Motivate or just like Just like don't don't watch me Don't watch my videos go do Go be great on your own Yeah Yeah I guess for for For me it's like I don't

I don't necessarily know if I want to just Be a YouTuber Either it's like I want to I want to do what's I like I like creating Like creating like yeah like i don't know like obviously videos are what i do now but i used to like write songs and play guitar and like uh you know that i don't know just all different types of like creative things and it's just something that i've always liked to do is create and so i just don't want i don't want to

it got to a point where like yeah you're just making this video because it's going to get this amount of views if you put this thumbnail on it then you'll get double the views and then you can you know, make a video a certain amount of length and just everything, you're like, that's what you're starting to think about. And you're like, and then you just think to yourself. Like, is that how I want to live? Like, at what point?

Being like an entertainer, being like a puppet. Yeah. I mean, we, everyone says that like we made our dream job and like we're lucky to be in this position and we definitely are super lucky. And this is my like dream job. It's like what I am. Super lucky.

But at the same. same time, not super likely. Yeah. It's like, I think some things that would like actually shock some people because you don't really think about it if you haven't been, lived in both worlds and we're like,

it's probably two of the only people that have actually worked full time and then transition into this. It's like. Which we get tweets all the time saying we wouldn't survive in the real world. Oh, Hitch would never survive. We were surviving in the real world before this. Like, if I have to do something, it is not on time, I get fired. I'm like, yeah.

Like, I was working. Until I moved here, I was working since I was 16. Yeah. I literally, like, once I realized I wanted to do this, I like dropped, basically dropped out of college. Not even basically. I stopped going to college one day and never even filled out any papers saying I was leaving or anything. I just stopped going. And I started working.

And I worked like three different jobs. Like multiples at a time and I understand you have something to do you get paid for it you do it you get paid But it's not that's not how it works here. It's just it's just not I don't I mean you can make it that way And it's like what do you mean it's like I get it we're like blessed to be in this position But then it's like it wasn't luck oh yeah like how many people Yeah like we'll get to you how you got into it after, but it's like how many people were a pro on an optic team

and aren't here now. Yeah. And the fact you did it through Halo is the craziest part. Yeah, and I did it through a halo. But it's like, it's not like I just, well, I mean, kind of, just join the Halo team. And before I joined the Halo team, I made sure I could do this.

I made a choice. before I join that I could move in I could start YouTube I could do everything that you guys have seen so far and then it's like not and then it's like even before that it's like it's not like I just randomly got an optic like I played Halo you basically get pro for 15 years yeah it's like what you did in high school like other people would go to soccer practice yeah you would play halo other people would would hang out. Yeah. I would play Halo for fucking a very, very long time. Like 10, I played Halo for 15 years. And like serious Halo for 10 years. Yeah.

And if that's like, if that, if being 15 and like doing some shit like that isn't deserving to be in a position like this, I don't, I don't, I don't, fucking know what you got to do. Yeah. And then there's, I could just, every, everything I hear, I just hear the, I just know what people are going to say. Yeah. There's just like, yeah.

Like, what would you say to a person that hears you say that and be like, yeah, man, real hard work. You played video games for 10 years. It's just like, you know, you don't. It's like you're, there's a separation. Like, if you don't get it, you will never get it. Like, if that, if that's how you view that situation where you say, I grind it and I immersed myself into basically a lifestyle that was not common.

And it's still not common. And I did it. I took a risk and basically hit it as hard as possible. Then you won a national championship. And it's like people think I joined. Well, not people think, but like people think I joined when joining Optic. Like when Aaron moved to the house and started uploading videos, his shit's were getting, his like first videos were like, one of his videos got like 40,000. Yeah, blew up.

Like within what, the first two weeks of him like uploading. Everything else is like over 10K, 20K. Like that's not what I moved into. When I moved into Optic, people didn't upload every day. For the first couple months, I was getting. 3,000 views a video. Yeah. When I moved in, Nade Shot moved out.

Seth didn't live there. Like, it's not like... Yeah. Like, shit. Not that shit hit the fan when I joined, but, like... You know, it's a... When I moved in, it's not like you had huge NadeShot who was doing the Dailing uploading to, like...

Right. Push me and, like, get me out there. So you're saying in that situation, like, people are saying like you still had to like really work for it so you like uploaded multiple videos for like a thousand like a couple thousand views stream you were you said you were streaming for like 34 people and you had like your cool little tight group when i joined i was i'd stream and have like 40 viewers max yeah like it was not the same you dude when you Sometimes you're like it wasn't like a risk.

Yeah. Fucking move out here when it wasn't even a thing. Like not wasn't it like people just didn't do that. The only people to do that was Bose and Mike. Yeah. Like big timer, natchot, scump. They're a different story because they were just winning every event on Optic. But as far as like the content creators, it was like as far as Bose, Mike and myself, it's like, it was like, it was like,

a chance. Yeah. Like, let's make this happen. Yeah. I have a, I have a video, probably one of my favorite videos that I've ever uploaded, and it's not even like,

all it is is a stream highlight. It was like, one day, like, we were playing Mono Verre remaster, and it was just me, uh, George and Blake, and we were just playing like viewer eights, literally just chilling and like,

we were tired of the game, so I was about to get off. And instead of getting off, like, George and Blake and I just started, like, talking like reminiscing over like the grind I guess like when was this this was like uh six months ago or something like that and um it's called like reflecting on the grind to optic or something like that oh you made it a video yeah I made it a video it's just like a I literally just ripped 30 minutes of stream footage and just uploaded it just because it was like I guess super dope I don't know and

it was just it was just like literally us talking about it and talking about how Blake came over to my apartment and there was mold everywhere and I was paying $400 a month and for rent and basically, uh, you know, just going to work every day and then coming back and making videos and nobody knew like really what I was doing, which is because I was just literally like grinding and I was just eating ramen every day and I would, or then like on good weeks I would like cook chicken like i would cook chicken for the week and then rice for the week and then that's what i would eat with saracha sauce and fire but like and and we literally just talked about it for like 30 minutes and blake kept like remembering like all these different stories and i just i was just like man

that was super dope and it like made me like happy like reminiscing myself over the over how intense those i guess those those those couple years were and then i upload it and then people people are saying like man like that's crazy I didn't know I just thought you kind of showed up like that you don't just show yeah like the day that I moved into this house and I'm like and I'm like hey they're just like oh it's just some random kid that that hex picked up and they like like people just don't understand the the background and the story and like how you were going to events not getting paid anything but like still covering stuff and yeah dude i would dude i have dms from like the entire amateur call the duty community

that i would say hey like i'll sell you a package for like 50 dollars like if you pay me 50 i'll give you these i'll give you pictures of all of your teams and some video clips of all of your teams just so i could go to events and break even just so i had food money to go because i wasn't getting paid to go to events. I was just getting flown there. And so I would just get flown there and then I would eat off of that money and then I would just come back and and then I would still take a huge hit because I didn't work for four days. It was just, I don't know, it was constant and nobody thinks about that. Dude, I remember a lot of people probably don't know either. Yeah. I mean, yeah, yeah. I'm not saying like they're they should be thinking about. I'm just saying it's it's it's it's

I mean, it happens with, like, on a broader scale, like, mainstream celebrities, too. Yeah, it happens all the, like, dude, I'm, like, reading Kevin Hart's book. Oh, dude. I can't even shit. In that book of, like, him explaining how he made it, like, his, just his life story. It's like, this guy has been, like, I'd say, whatever, the past five years, Kevin Hart exploded. Oh, yeah. But it's like before this five years, he was doing it for 15 years, traveling to New York every day, like three hour drive there just to not even perform, just to hang out with comedians, just to be seen.

Just to literally just to live. It's all about like immersing yourself in that lifestyle. It's all about like thinking about it. Like, it's all about, like, just the law of attraction or whatever, just living in an environment where it's impossible to fail. Not impossible. There are people that just, in certain things, you got to realize when you don't have it. Yeah. Like an Halo 5.

I didn't have it. But I, okay. I don't know. Impossible to, if you are set out to be a basketball player and you're just a, you come up a little short, you're just, you know, five foot 10 and you're not big enough and your left hand dribble is not good enough. Like those few things, but you love basketball and you love everything about it. You love the lifestyle. there are so many opportunities to still live that lifestyle to, you know, to be a, to be a reporter, a sports reporter, or to be an analyst or to work in the stadiums or to be to work on the business side of the NBA.

Like there's there's always something and in that still succeeding in something that you're super passionate about. I mean, like I, that's how I got here, I guess. It's like you played Halo, you became a Halo pro. I played Caller Duty and my mom yelled at it. me for playing Xbox at night. But then, but then, like, I found, I found an outlet in the community that I was, like, so passionate about and taught myself from there, and that's how we got here.

So it's not like I wanted literally hustling. Yeah. Like, just because you work, like, I would work, like, just because you work a job, like, yeah, you have to work a job. you have to do something to get money. But it's like, when you're off time, what are you going to do? Like, for instance, when I'd work eight hours, it'd be like two to ten, right when I got off work, scrim halo till 2 a.m.

Have, drink two beers so I could go to sleep, wake up, and like do the next thing over again. Or do the same thing over again. And it's like that's, it does, I don't know, it's like it, it seems like not a good life, like not a good life because I didn't, like, socialize really. Yeah. Like I definitely, I did it. I did it. But for the most part, it was like just, dude. I don't know, just like hustling.

I don't even know if it was conscious at the time. But I just, oh. I don't know. I've always been like doing something. Yeah. But it's about what you do. Like do what you have to do to survive. But then it's like instead of watching TV,

go to the gym. A few months after working out, you'll probably, your brain will start thinking differently. You'll have more energy to do shit. So instead of watching TV after work, you'll get into fucking painting. Next thing you know you're painting

paintings and selling them on eBay. I don't know what the fucking happened with painting. But it's like, for instance, my dad worked, but then he also had I don't know how the fuck you get into this, but he made bull, I think bull whips.

Your dad made bull whips? Just for fun? Like that kind of shit. I wouldn't do it because I'm not fucking into bullwhips you would do that and like sell them that's crazy like whatever you like you like whatever you like put time into that and make a hustle out of that as well as surviving fucking work your job if you have to

to pay the rent but in your off time don't find what you're find what you like but then the problem is a lot of people will say like I don't know what I like I'm not into anything I feel like

I always said that too but I always said that too like in high school people were like what do you like what do you like? And when I when people ask me that

I'm thinking sports and video games like that's what I like and it's kind of like you were trained to be like those aren't acceptable answers like what do you like

like oh I like science or like I like like something that you would deem respectable to actually pursue like if I went to high school and they were like what do you like and I said I like call a duty like they would be like cool but yeah but what do you actually like exactly what do you really like you got to start thinking about this Davis like that shit is stupid like that is stupid and and I feel like I wasted a lot of years of college I don't know if it's a lot of years and a lot of money of college, but obviously it wasn't waste because I got so many experiences from it. And like I probably wouldn't be here. You never know. Yeah, exactly. But I'm saying like there's like when when people say what do you want to do and like what do you want to be or like what are you interested in?

Like if you guys are in high school or college, like don't think that there's a dumb answer to that. Like if you like puppies, that's what that's your thing. Then like say that. Like, you're not gonna, nobody's, or fucking dudes, do some shit. There's, there's shit for everything. Yeah, like there's, there's, there's always opportunities.

And, and, like, I feel like that's something that I, like, if, I don't know, if somebody just, like, sat me down and said, you can, you can, if, if you're interested in something, you can do it. but what everyone, what all the adults are scared of is that you're going to not like actively try to do it. Like if I was like, I like video games and they're like, okay, so what do you want to do with video games? And I would just like play them. Like that's what I want to do. Like then that's what they're scared up. But if you're like, I'm interested in video games, I want to do something in that realm. Then that's like the mindset that you need to bring to the table in order to like get further.

that. Also, what's the quote? It was like, I'm completely butchering the quote, but it's something like, you can do everything in the world, but unless you make yourself known, it doesn't matter. Because, like, I wish I didn't fucking butcher the quote. But does that kind of make sense? Like you have to like put yourself out there. Yeah. It's like say for this bad example, but like say you're working out, fucking you look good, feel good, but you're not approaching females and putting yourself out there to get, whether rejected or accepted, nothing's going to happen.

You're just going to be going to the gym. Yeah. But it's like you, you're going to adventure. recording shit, you're getting footage, you're reaching out the people to sell shit. And that's cool. But until you came to hex and put yourself out there to get denied by Optic Hex for your fucking idea of like joining Optic and starting this thing, you know, it's like, what if you never did that?

Yeah, like what if I didn't have the balls to even ask him? Yeah, what if you didn't have the balls to ask him? But if you didn't have the balls to have a resume of some sort to ask him and then be like, and I've done all this stuff. So I think I'm worthy of doing this. Yeah. I'll make it happen. Dude, resumes are the biggest thing.

Like, they're so important. Like you can have just went to hacks after, you know, two events and making some vlogs. Yeah. Like, hey, I want to. But that would be stupid. Yeah, that would be stupid. And people do that all the time. Yeah, people do that all the time.

And then people also don't even, uh, some people just won't even, like, go for that. Like, they won't put themselves out there to get rejected. Yeah. So it's like you never know. Yeah. It is, I guess like the original, the, the, dude. What? Fucking, I don't, this is kind of, well, no, it has to do with it, but like, Ace, we, for

finals of H2A, we beat, we beat Optic, and we got third, should have got second. I would say that until I die. We got third, we beat Optic, they got like seventh, and then Ace, after. the event didn't think I would, they, they wanted, they were talking about picking me up, but Ace was like, they're, like, they were kind of just like, he's not going to join, whatever. So like, they didn't ask me. And then Ace randomly, because we're both freaks, we were at, we just both happened to be up at like 5.30 in the morning. And I get a text from Ace. And back then, I was friends with him, but not like I'm friends with him. But not like, I'm friends.

with him now. Like we didn't like text and shit. But A's just randomly was like, yo, uh, would you be interested in joining us? Uh, I know you,

you guys just got third, uh, but I figured I'd just put it out there. And at first it was like, uh, I don't know, but then I thought about it and I was, and I was like,

you know what? Yeah, actually. And then like this literally, everything I imagined happening happening joining Optic doing YouTube

fucking and it's like if Ace didn't just like randomly take the risk of because he thought I was going to say no

if he didn't take that risk to ask me I want to be here yeah it's weird how that shit works yeah it is weird I remember I called

I don't I don't want to turn this into like story, story time and reminisce, but I mean, that's what fucking this shit is. Yeah, I mean, uh,

I called Blake on the way, I think we, in that video, I was telling you about the stream highlight. I think we even talk about this, but on the way back from work one day or it was like one of my friend's house or something, um,

uh, hex DMs me and, and sends me his Skype. And I had something to do with like photography at the time or whatever. like some drama was happening in the scene and he just DMs me to Skype and at the time like I had only like talked to him

briefly once or twice in like the two years that I've been shooting or like the year and a half that I've been shooting and he just randomly deems me to Skype and obviously I've been an optic fan for six years at this point so I'm like oh shit Hex just DM me and then I get in a Skype call with him

and we start talking about you know like the situation and then we deal with it and he like that's like my first impression that i got that i was able to give hex or whatever then i um hang up on sky and and i call blake and i'm like i remember calling him and i was like dude i'm going to be wearing green with within the year and i said that to him and uh and he was like dude show he was like that's a bold like that's a bold ass statement because i had just like just yeah i had like just got on like UMG and like just literally just put my foot in the door and I remember like telling people it's like they're like what what is the goal like what do you what do you want to do because

like what like I was making like pretty good stuff I guess and I was like well optics optics the goal and then they would like laugh like yeah of course like optics the goal for everyone of course but like what's your actual goal but I don't know like if if I hadn't like I don't know man like if I hadn't of like if that hadn't been the goal where I like I lived and breathed to to to build up my resume and to attack this this shit from all angles like like who would have like it might not happen so so when he messaged you or whatever about Skype was that about was that just about something separate and that eventually it built into yeah it was it was it was like drama going on within photographers of the scene and he knew that I was like involved with media

and so and like he was like I had been to enough events where like at the time like not a lot of people were shooting pictures or or videos only like it was literally like the first one I went to there was dude named Travis there was rings house uh Zach and then there was me and then Blake was shooting pictures and that was it that that was at the event and so like he he knew of me and then there there was and then there was a drama that was happening in the scene and he like wanted to like get my input on it or ask me about it or whatever and I just gave him I gave him a answer that he thought was like acceptable or whatever and uh he we like we saw eye to eye on the situation that's key too yeah because a lot of people will either dick ride yes

huge turnoff. Yes. To not know when. To shut up. To shut up. And like when it's acceptable. Yeah. I don't know.

It's like like for example this. Okay. So apparently you guys know about the optic like music stuff. And then I never said this. But apparently people got the idea that I'm like kind of recruiting people. in which to a sense I am, but it's like I'm kind of going at people. Yeah, of course. Not like taking application.

And then this kid, not to call him out, I won't say his name, but he might listen to this. And he might know who I'm talking about. But this kid hit me up about it. Like, yo, I heard you were recruiting people for the optic music thing. I love music. I make beats. check out my shit, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And I checked out his stuff, and it was, like,

like, a few things. And it was, like, pretty good. And I was like, yeah, your stuff's pretty dope. And he, like, just kept talking to me. Like, he kept, like, asking questions, like, just, and I was kind of, I was being friendly, because I can't just, like, be a dick to someone.

Yeah. But, like, I was kind of being friendly, but it was like, dude, you have to, like I know what your YouTube page is. If I see the, like, if I, if I see what you do and I'd like it, like, I'm going to come to you. Yeah. But like, he almost kind of turned me off of even, like, giving him a chance. Yeah.

Because he was, like, so aggressive on, like, doing it. Like, if I had gone into that Skype call with Hax and I'd be like, uh, yeah, yeah, thanks for, like, talking to me. I could shoot pictures, like whatever, I could shoot pictures. And then like the Skype sessions over, you're like, hey, that was a good talk, man. Oh, yeah. Anything you need anything else, hit me up. And then, like, next day, you Skype him.

Hey, man, quick question. Yeah, exactly. Like, stuff like that will just turn you off. But he did actually chill out. And I didn't hear from him for a few days. I looked at his YouTube channel, and I saw he was still uploading a beat every single day. And I was listening to his beats.

I was like, not going to mind. This shit's kind of fun. fire. Yeah. And then so I hit him up and I was like, hey, here's a melody I made. What can you do with it? And I'm not, he's better than me. Yeah. But I was like, here's a melody I made. What can you do with it? And then like later that night or the next day, he sends me it back and I'm like, this is fire. And like ever since then, we've kind of like been cool. Yeah. But it's only because he like kind of showed out. out. So I was like, all right. Yeah. This dude, you know, basically it's like really, it's really important.

If I'm going to work with someone, I want it to be like a natural, like a natural chemistry kind of thing. Yeah. Not just like you like, damn, chill out. Fucking. Yeah. Like just imagine, imagine like, we do this every podcast. Imagine drinking 40. in the in the in the studio and they're they're with a bunch of like other people that are listening

to the music and everyone is just like yeah it's perfect yeah there's nothing that needs to be changed yeah you're you can't do any wrong or in like in reality like if you're if you're a producer not 40 but if like if you're another producer in there and like you hear something and be like yeah what if we did this or like what if we tweaked this or this is dope because of this instead of just like being a yes man and just and just and just I I guess dick riding. I guess it's a kind of social awareness type of thing. Yeah.

I mean, this kid is only 16 and he's like, he's pretty good. He definitely has potential. I called him Lil Maniac. Lil Maniac. But, uh... Shoutouts to Lil Maniac. We'll see. I actually sent him something tonight.

For real? Yeah. Um, shit, why was I gonna say? Dude, we've been talking for, 50 minutes and the original thing the original thing that dude what the original like point that started this well i mean i'm down to go like way over an hour i don't care but what the original thing that started this was saying was this is this is going to blow your mind because i just remembered the original the reason we started talking about this entire conversation was because we had

worked actual jobs and the or not actual job but we had worked jobs prior to to being an optic and I like I originally said it because like of the like the differences in working our jobs compared to jobs now like the jobs that we have now and like the mental like the processes that we go through now are so different where it's like I think I even like started. saying this sentence, I've never finished it, but like, it's going to be like weird to hear, um, you know, if you've never experienced both sides of this, but like, there, it's like, there are times where it's like harder and it's like tougher, not even times. It is always. It is always harder and always tougher now than it was then, in my opinion. Like, like,

you grind so hard and you like, you take all these risks. and do all this stuff in order to get the position that we're in now. And then you're like, yeah, like, we did it. And you think that there's this. This is not doing it at all. Yeah. But it's like, at least in our minds.

Yeah. And it's like you finally get to this position that you wanted to be in. And it's like now, now it's hard. Now everything's hard. Yeah. Like, you don't get to the position. Especially like what's coming up next. And it's like it's probably not going to.

It's like it's, it's never going to stop and I try to keep a balance to where I'm like not just fucking you know work work work and people fucking see me

and they know I'm not about just work work work work like I'd read a lot and listen to a lot of videos about like you know kind of like balancing your life like there's so many people who are successful but they're not happy

And it's like, I don't want to be chasing something my whole life. But I'm going to keep making my, I'm going to keep trying to make myself a better person. Yeah. And, but the thing is just to find a balance between that. And I can no longer think right now because an alarm's going off. That's hilarious. Mike's alarm just went off in the, fuck. What was that?

I was going to say. well this kind of I guess it's past that topic but I was going to say whenever we were talking about knowing your limits on like asking people for stuff and like being too aggressive and stuff like yeah but when I first kind of first started making beats and making like decent ones I reached out to an artist who's not huge by any means but But he's talented. I think he's a, he's talented. Very talented.

I see, I went to, for him because I see potential in him. Like, yeah, like next year double Xl freshman type potential. Or in the next three years. Yeah, something. But like, when I went to him, I wasn't just like, hey, man, check out, check out my beats. Hey, what did you think of that one? I was like, yo, um, can I say, can I say? send you these beats and he was like yeah and I sent him a couple uh and then after I

sent him a couple I was like um if it's cool I'm gonna just send you beats you don't have to respond you don't have to tell me if it's good or not like I don't care I'm gonna I'll send you beats if you like it cool if not don't like feel like you need to respond at all yeah and like after that I was just like yeah that's that's cool and I sent him multiple multiple beats and no response, no response, but I didn't expect a response. Yeah. And then sent him more beats. I never tried to start a conversation. I was just sending him beats. And then one day, he was just like, yo, that shit's dope. Give me that one. And then I was just like, okay, I gave him that one. A couple weeks later, he sent me back and was like,

check this out. And it was him rapping over it. I was like, oh, shit. And then, then that's and then that'll be whenever that comes out when that shit drops that's going to when that shit comes out which is soon uh it's just like dude it's wild because you kind of did like you I feel like I witnessed you do it all over again you literally did it all over again like I know you like obviously you're not where you want to be musically but uh but like

you know you grow up in high like you grow up and in high school you're like hey I want to play Halo I'm like oh shit now I really want to play Halo like I really want to compete in this shit and then you just

live that lifestyle and you just grind and then you got to a point where you're like I'm done like Halo was dope and it got me to where I am and I have a lifestyle because of it or I have a you know a way of life because of that.

But I'm also interested in making beats. And I saw you literally for like, do you remember that grind? That shit was unhealthy. Very unhealthy. Like, definitely the most. An unhealthy point to like, people weren't like putting me in, I don't even know if I was uploading. No, you weren't. Because it was like, my schedule was, like, I had to learn everything.

Dude, I was waking up and that's what I do the entire day. Like that's, and then, so. I have notebooks of learning fucking piano notes. Dude, I walked into your room one day and you literally were sitting, like you always, every single time I went in there, you were sitting like this, and you were just clicking and listening to shit. And it was before you even had any of your, like, boards or anything. You were just, you just had like a piano.

Like, that's literally all you had. Yeah. And just that, the little. Yeah, just the little piano. And so I went in there and I look on your desk and there's literally papers everywhere. And you're just sitting there and you're like staring at the papers and you would like do something on the on the screen. And then you would like go to and like figure out you're like trying to figure you basically were like I was like watching you learn like pseudo music theory as it pertains to hip hop beats. in the

you learn like two years worth of it in like three months and I mean I've taken a music class before yeah I don't remember shit from it right

because well not because but the music class was probably I don't fucking know how long is it is a class like three months or something like a college course

yeah like three or four months I think probably I took a music class. I don't remember shit from it. And I hardly learned, now that I think about it, it's like I hardly learned anything actually useful. Right. But if you know, kind of know what to study,

and I can't really say that I did know what to study, I knew what kind of music I liked, and I would, I started studying that. But like, it was so much more beneficial, fucking just grind like that's all I did for quite some time was trying to make beats

when I was when I had a fucking headache because I'm sitting there wearing headphones I didn't even have those speakers I'm just using like turtle beaches or whatever so I'm just having music blasting in my ear all day so I'm like I can't take that it's the same like four bar patterns so you're tweaking like two things

yeah like tweaking shit going through every single sound and there's thousands of thousands of sounds and then when I get tired of that I lay down I get on my laptop and I start watching like you know how other people build sounds how they combine different

different sounds and then if you're not what chords are what scales are what the key of songs just how to tune shit dude and then if you're not watching actual tutorials because your mind is literally mush at this point you're watching interviews from Kanye or interviews from 40 or or like in the studio sessions

with different artists just because it gives you entertainment and gives you like like I guess motivation but it also like keeps you invested into this whole thing that you're trying to build dude do you remember how crazy those months were because that those were the months that was that was that was definitely unhealthy and like when you snapped out of it that's when we're not snapped out of it but like when you like finally got to a point where you're like okay I know enough and I'm unhealthy so I need to like tighten up that's can't do that exactly that's when you like started uploading nine H1Z1 videos a day and then that's that's like when you came out of it that's like when you came out of

it but during those times where like you were doing that that was also when I was like I was like in the peak of my daily vlog and then also uh playing monorefare two every single day and like preparing for that like throwback tournament that I was going to run and literally like dude that day like I woke up what funny fact the like how Jack was here commentating yeah I stayed up the night before. And I think it was because of music. I just, like, did music all night. And then, like, Jack was casting.

So I was like, I'll cast with you. Then, like, by 6 p.m., I was dead. Yeah, yeah. I remember you were super dead. Yeah. But I remember, like, one morning, like, I had played, you know, I had streamed Monor for two, you know, wagers all night. and my stream was like popping at the time

because it was like, I don't know, it was like a fresh face, I guess, in optic streaming. And then I was playing with Blake and George every single night for like seven hours because Blake wasn't married at the time. And then I got off, it was like, I got off at like 6 a.m.

And then I wrote out the script for my 100K video, my edit my life video. And then by the time I was done with that, it was like 7 a.m. And I was just like, dude and then I walked into the kitchen and as I walk into the kitchen you're heating up leftovers from from from uh from making beats all night and then we do remember that and then no I don't remember

and then you were and then I was I was like dude I just wrote out the script from my 100k video and you were like for a really oh and then I remember and you were like kind of telling me about it that's what I like like yeah yeah man the shit's that was That was wild, dude. That seems like forever ago. But it was like, last, last October. Like 2016 October? Yeah.

Holy shit. Yeah. And then I, because I remember once we were done, like, having, like, because I, like, told you, you were, like, the first person I told about that whole video, basically my whole life story and everything that happened. with me and then we had we talked about it and obviously like we relate a lot in that way so we talked about that for like an hour and then after that you were like dude look at this and you like showed me it was your first it was the same day and it was you told me the reason you were up that early is because you were making it was like the first time you learned how to like mess with EQs with the sounds within a beat or something like that so like you'd like you'd like you'd like

like you like had to go in and like fine tune all of your like what I don't beat it was but I remember you were like this is the best beat I've ever made and you like played it for me it was the the like little yachty type beat the little boat thing no or little lost boat oh I would have to oh dude that's that's that's that's what I use for the intro to flycast the little boat yeah your beat yeah I made those shits so long ago and And like thinking about that shit now, it's like, holy shit. Dude, because you were like, yeah, you were like, this is the best beat I've ever made. Like, listen to how clear it is compared to what I was making earlier.

And I was like, I was like, yeah, like sounds really good. Wow, I do remember that. And but compared, if you compare that beat to what I'm listening to now, it's like, not even close. That's why people always ask for my sound cloud. You're like, they're like, do you have a sound cloud? And I'm just like, yeah. Yeah. But, dude, you've got to start releasing shit.

Yeah. Because I get your mindset where you don't want to release it because you feel like you're not there yet. Yeah. But people, I think that's why people are, like, frustrated. People talk shit is because they're like, they hear the shit you made, like, the Little Lost Boat era. And, like, you made, like, a future thing. And they're, like, pretty good beats. Like, they're pretty catchy.

But those are starting. You're beats now? They don't understand I have Like Like when I click open In my FL studios It's disgusting How many there are

And they're not organized They're just everywhere That is my problem That they are not organized But that's what I'm saying Like the I went from hearing Like that day

But I look at all that like practice Yeah Exactly But When I like the beat That I heard that day Was a beat like it was like a beat that people make

which is what they think you make still but the shit that I'm starting to hear is like professional it sounds real and like obviously people will learn that whenever like even he drops that song that shit's gonna be dope but even

I don't know I'm fucking I'm weird when it comes to like I made a maniac boomin tonight and I don't even know if I'm gonna put it out It's like it's solid And it's like it's I don't know

But it's just like It's just a video I'm too I'm too Pick like picky Yeah I want that shit I want people to be like oh my This shit's hard Yeah

Not just like us Exactly Good beat So it's I'm just so Like even with the beat I sent to that guy Like

Um I know his friend as well and he's like dude this shit knocks in my car this beat's hard his manager said this shit is hard and even I'm just like I was like what if I was like can I actually do some stuff

to that beat and then like send it back to you they're just like nah no no we want it how it is and I'm just like fuck I'm just like it's not like I don't know it's because like I look up to producers who have been doing this for like 15 years and they're just stupid dude when I watch some people's video man like when I watch like it's even it's even like people in the in e-sports like when I watch Max's videos or

like Damien's videos like I was like what the like the the the liquid and the TSM uh videographers and like Eastport producers like and the thing is but they I feel like that I don't know how long they've been doing it but they had to have been doing it like twice or more longer than I have and obviously because I can just tell it's like keep doing music more like I can take a sound I've realized I was doing way too much and trying to find way too many sounds before and now it's like just about getting a sound doing some effects to it to and making it sound good like that like the more like it every producer talks every producer I like and I think their beats are ridiculous

they always talk about how easy making beats is yeah and I'm just like that's true that's true like the more because I used to have like 10 different sounds and it was like I listen to it now and I'm like what the fuck yeah but like now it's like I can take two sounds and just add certain effects to it to make it sound full. And it's like, a rapper can't, because my ultimate goal is to make beats for rappers to rap on

or what an artist to be on. And it's like you can't have this crazy shit with vocals. Right. Like, it just has to be kind of like a catchy, but like also hard at the same time. and I just know I used to just do way too much and now it's more about

perfecting like simple shit but then it's like it's also I don't know what it's like for you but at least for me in music it's like

you literally have to think of something out of your ass like dude like you have to pull shit out of your like literally think of it out of nowhere

and start making a beat. Yeah. It's like you can't really go in having a vision. Yeah. I mean, yeah. Like, I think that's like one, I mean, to relate it to my situation, that's like one of the reasons that,

that I got so frustrated with what vision was becoming. It was just becoming, it was like, I originally wanted vision. to tell a story and I wanted vision to be that and I wanted I want a vision to be the video that tells the story of behind the scenes and optic that I never got a chance to see like back in the day when I was an optic fan and I wanted it to tell it to the best of it like the best I could possibly tell it and then you know as vision went on I get

it turned into we don't have a story for this week how can we make up a story or not make up that what can we you have to get creative yeah what can we throw into vision in order to make it in order to upload something this week and into like to force our hand at it and then it became well now we have a i have to talk about halo so i'm going to get uh an interview from somebody and have them send it to me over over the internet and then at that point it doesn't flow well because i can't bounce off of i can't i can't give the interview i send them a list of questions and they send and they send shit back and so like it's like it's like as far as like when you were talking about how like you're picky or whatever like when I when I go back and I watch

the interviews that like Royal 2 sit in or or the gears players or snake bite it's like it's like yes I told the story and and vision came out and it was okay but it doesn't have that like crossroads feel or like the trust the process. I used to be in vision, like kind of doing like the, like narrating kind of. You're going to say something that's literally a meme on Reddit.

I wonder what Nick's going to say about the CS team this week. Oh. I thought that's where you're going with that. Because for like, because literally I couldn't get interviews from the CS team. So I would like narrate.

So you would like explain. Or it, it wasn't every week. You did it. twice. Yeah. And one of them was because Hex wasn't available. But even, even when you did have people, it was like you would still like, I'd chime in, uh, about like watching it.

Yeah. Like Flames Soar would chime in about like watching the haylo attorney big time or, you know, shit like that. But it's like even while, while we give interviews, you're sitting right there. I'm sitting right here. And the amount of times you're like, all right, so talk about, um, the Halo event, what happened, like Map 1, Mac 2, Mac 3. So I'll start, and then I'll give sort of like a basic,

I'll give sort of like a basic answer, then I'm like, all right, what else do you want me to say? You're like, all right, we'll talk about what happened whenever they had the flag and they couldn't get it. But like when you, since I'm there asking like, what else do you want? exactly it kind of works better exactly but when you have people just you send questions and they send answers back it's like you can't do you can't like bounce yeah they can't give an answer and you can't be like okay but what about this that happened during that yeah like it's just very basic questions right whenever you're sending it and then basic questions and answers when you're doing it via Skype and whatever so the options so the options there for me

were continue doing that and like it was like painful to me almost uh or it was like like don't uh like continue putting out um continue putting out um continue putting out like uh content that i didn't think was quality enough whereas like the interviews that were sent in just they didn't flow well and they looked weird in the middle of of actual like clips from a DSLR, a really nice camera, and then all of a sudden there's a webcam. Yeah, and then, so that was one thing. And then also another option was to, okay, we'll hold back on that, but I'll interview somebody else about it.

I'll interview you or, or Hex, or basically anybody who was around watching the, like, the tournaments that they were talking about. But then at that point, like, you lose the, the player engagement. it. And so then it's like, I'm sitting here like every like I just didn't know what to do. And I like I wanted to like I want to create this like. And then it's like as as being a player once. If I didn't place as good as I wanted to or if I lost in a bad way and say you're at the event. And it's like I know all the time you like try to get interviews at the event. but if like you lose I don't want to give an interview Yeah Like I didn't even want to

If when I would lose at an event I didn't even like want to hang out with my friends Or I mean like It'd be like my team and like a couple of really good friends Just like chilling talking But it's like I didn't want to I didn't want to do shit after a loss I just wanted to go home

Yeah And it's like So I can understand from a player's point of you Of not wanting to do A interview but it's just, I don't know. Yeah. It's, like, what are you supposed to say to them?

That's something that I deal, I've been dealing with, and it's gotten to a point where now Aaron and I just say, look, like, I'm sorry, or if they won, then it's not a big deal, but, but, like, this is, this is my job. And, like, this is what I have to do. I'm getting. Yeah. Well, it's just how you approach it.

Yeah. Well, no, yeah. I mean, I approach it. Like, dude, I know you don't want to do this right now, but I really, really need this. And then that's how that's how we've we've tackled it over the past like like few events. And another another option that I like I guess toyed with or thought about is is just taking vision and like like only making it about the cod team or only or making different series about the different teams. But but I wanted to stay true to like the fact that vision is centralized

in optic and it's centralized. It's a documentary series about Optic. And like that's something that I took pride in rather than, you know, other people are like, this is a documentary series about our one team or this is a highlight video about our one team. At that point, it's like not even a documentary series. It's just like coverage of that event. Yeah. I mean, well, there are definitely documentaries about certain teams.

Like they're really good. But as far as like how, but then it's just a documentary about that team. It's not a documentary about that org. it's just about those five players. And so, I don't know, like, this is just always going on in my mind, like, all the time. Like, how do I make this perfect? Like, how do I, like, how do I deal with this? Stay true to myself and what, I guess, we've built with vision.

And then also, like, what do I need to do to, you know, please the fans that are and the supporters that are like constantly just saying hey you're not doing this right like give us vision and and and how do I like lay the groundwork or continue to lay the groundwork for what I want vision to be because I don't want vision to be like what it has been I guess like if you look at the best visions ever like if you look at premier or crossroads or trust the process like they all flow And they're all live interviews. And they're all because we've reflected or like we've bounced stuff off of each other.

And I can't like. And there's just a lot of people at the house. Yeah. CSGO or the CS team over there. Yeah. Yeah. And people are like like that's another thing. This is like getting out of what we were just talking about and more just talking about vision.

But but like people like there hasn't been a vision in a month. Well like a month ago, I was like. a pretty bad time in optic. And so while we're dealing with all the shit that people know about and people don't know about like behind the scenes in this house, the CS team is off. They still don't have a fifth or they play really bad. They don't qualify for the major. And then, um, and then, you know, they, they have all of this stuff going on in the CS team.

And, and I, I wish I was able to be. there to like understand what's going on and to like cover it at all but we're literally stressed out of our minds in this house and then on top and then you just get bombarded with oh well they don't even care they stayed home and didn't go to the CS event like because they don't care about CS but I bet you if it was a cot event they would have gone and it's just like ah the CS events in Australia yeah it's in Australia during like that whole period. And it's,

there's, uh, like people don't, it's frustrating even to think about. Like, I'm sure, I'm sure people look at being able to travel is like, a blessing.

And it definitely is. Yeah. Because that's like, that's like the coolest thing I tell people really. It's like I get to, I've traveled for sure. Like every main city in the United States, pretty much.

Yeah. Uh, but. traveling takes a toll on you and how how I hate traveling I don't mind I just I hate waking up early going to the airport standing in security yeah but I think it's how we travel because we travel from Thursday to Monday and then we come back then we come back and then And two weeks go by, then with Thursday to Monday. And it's the same.

And it's, and it's, you get there Thursday, you're exhausted. Friday, you have six hours before the event starts. Then you work or you're around the event from Friday until you leave on Monday. So if you go to Seattle, you're not going to see anything unless you get it out of the way on Thursday. So, yeah. I mean, I mean, I like traveling too, but how we travel is traveling, but we're just in the convention. Yeah, right. We're not exploring cities.

Yeah. I forgot where we were. Well, you at least. Yeah, I'm not exploring. Lately, I've been, well, for a decent time now. Whenever I go to events, I do enjoy myself. Yeah. Like, we haven't even talked about Dreamhack.

We didn't do Dreamhack. It was your first Halo event back. It's dream hack. It was a year and a half or something. It's crazy how different Dreamhack is or a Halo event compared to a Cod event. Obviously, kind events are a lot bigger. But like Cod events, it's like people legit go to party.

And like, yeah. I'm at this Halo event. And of course, excited to see like all, I haven't seen so many of them in years. I saw Demon D for the first time since 2011. You were happy as hell. So you're like, my duo. Dude. And then, like, of course, it's cool seeing everyone,

but it's like they're playing. When they're not playing, they're with their team in a hotel room, like talking about matches, trying to, they're going to sleep early. Yeah. And then it's like, I'm, then I'm just sitting there like, is anyone trying to turn up party yeah and kind of so like every night was kind of not boring but it was definitely a lot more chill yeah oh definitely Sunday night was really fun it was

fun um yeah but codivans like you're sitting there on a Thursday and you're like oh it's every night oh yeah like it's something times like exhausting. Yeah. It's not healthy. But and so like I like my Friday nights on caught events consists of which Airbnb are we going to, which hotel room are we going to, who am I meeting in the bar, who's buying drinks.

And then who all was hanging out. And then we ends up being a ton of people hanging out and, you know, like having fun and just partying. And like that's every night. And that's every single night. And then Friday night at Dreamhack, there were 13. guys in one room talking about the last 10 years of Halo

talking about what they did this tournament but I almost liked it more I was just sitting there listening to you guys and I could see you dude I was a I don't know I just I love hearing about people like passions sometimes that shit's more like just more fun

I honestly in that room had a blast because I was just like drinking my drink and just like getting a little bit of a loose feeling and then you guys were just roasting each other about like gun fights that you lost in 2009

and I'm just like what? I'm like mesmerized. Dude it's so many memories. Yeah. That's crazy. Man, I hope one day I can one day. I know what you're thinking.

I think. Yeah, you do. But yeah. Dream hack was fun. We threw a party in our hotel rooms. First time I've ever done that. Really?

Yeah. I've always gone to other people's rooms. I think I've had a couple in my room. But that was just like so random. It's because we were all at the bar. Yeah, you were at the bar. We were rapping.

Yeah, we were freestyling at the bar. But and then it's just like, it's kind of like a salo guys. And it's like a shit done of, I guess H1Z1 players. Like DREAMAC people. Yeah. I don't know any of them. And it was just like not, like the whole time we were just like, come on. Like, let's do something.

Can someone step it up? Yeah, right. They were like, whose room are we going to? And then I was just like, we can just go to my room. And we go to my room. It's like eight of us walking in. And then we have like cups and beer. And well, we didn't put beer.

in the cups for beer pong but yeah we played pong with water then people had beer and next thing you know more people are coming with alcohol and next thing you know more people are coming with alcohol more people are coming I've never seen in my life yeah right it's like 25 people in a small in a two person yeah with like a balcony it's fucking starts stinking it's hot as sure it's stank in that room yeah but it was fun yeah worth no it was it was it was Yeah, it was definitely fun. And I remember, like, very, like, in order to bring down my intoxication level, because we had to leave at, like, 7 a.m.

I just cleaned. Dude, I cleaned for, like, 45 minutes. Like, probably longer than that, like an hour. I, like, half cleaned because when we got to the hotel room, it was, like, our stuff was kind of, like, scattered around. Yeah. And so, like, I had to take, like, all of our belongings, like, all, all, all the electronics put them somewhere so they don't get fucked with you hit my camera

suitcases behind the beds i appreciate i had to unplug everything like the lights and shit put them somewhere else take the table that we're using for pong put it somewhere there's trash everywhere i'd put it in the closet fucking got the ironing board out put it against the wall so people could put alcohol yeah you set it up you did set it up and i tore it down i didn't realize i didn't Realized into right now. But yeah, I was dead. Oh, dude. Like I, I, I, I slept for 30 minutes.

I didn't think you were going to make the flight. Dude, when, all right, so it's seven, what time did we leave for the airport? Was it? 7.45. It's 7.30 at the time. I remember, I remember looking at my phone. It's like 7.10. And I'm thinking in my head, all right, we'll leave at 8.

So I set an alarm for 7.45 and 8. Then it's like 7.4. And then I probably slept 20 minutes. You wake me up. And I'm just like, I was so close to telling you. Like, dude, just leave me. Like, that would have been the second time I'd done that. I was by flight.

Because, dude, at this point, I'm still, oh, I'm super glad. I literally just forced myself to just stand on my feet. Because at that point, I'm still drunk. Yeah. I'm pretty, head hurts. But it's not the good. It's not the good. It's the coming down and the tire and the headache.

It's the you should be passed out right now. Not traveling to the airport. Yeah, exactly. For me, no shower. Fucking just half a sleep throwing shit in my suitcase, walking out with sunglasses because I don't want to see the sun. Yeah. But.

I guess Dreamhack for your first Halo event back. Yeah, it was fun. Yeah, it was fun. You said, but why do you say that, like, you're like, yeah, dream hack was fun. Maybe I'll go to an event in the next two years or something like that. Like, just because you went to Dreamhack, like, you're not interested in, like, going back to Haylor, like, going back to Haiti. I could never, like, competing? No, no, like, going back to any just to, like, hang out again.

I don't know. It depends. Like people, even the Halo people said that, like, that was the most lit halo event. That one? The one we were just at? Well, within the past year, two, whatever. That's, dude, Cotivans are ridiculous if that's the case. But yeah.

And I was like, if that's the case, then I don't know. That might be good. Yeah. Because you're just, like, if it's like a special thing, I'll go. Right. Or if, like, I don't know if you go and you're. recording the event or whatever I might tag along, we'll see. Yeah.

If I know, like, at least some of my friends are going. But there's not, it's just all my friends compete. Yeah. Like, no one's trying to turn up until Sunday night. So it's like, and I personally never have, and I'm not sure if I ever will, enjoyed, like, sitting there and watching. Even when I was a pro, I didn't, I'd get knocked out or, waiting for my next match i wouldn't sit there and watch i'd go back to my hotel and just like chill

yeah like i was i've never just been a fan of watching even in like old halos or just halo five maybe halo two you would watch halo two maybe a little bit of halo three but no actually not even at events i wouldn't really want to really watch even online i wouldn't really watch i don't know why i just not interested in watching yeah so it's like i don't really really i don't really when I go down to the venue and like sit main stage and just like watch yeah I'm surprised you watch that series with me or with us you're the the envy object series like you went you went to the venue and I was like I got to shoot this I think that was just perfect timing because that was my I was like I got to go to the venue this is my first halo event forever so I would go to the venue and

that just happened to be there I was like, okay, since this optic versus envy, I'm a stay for this. And then APG was playing right beside me too. And APG was playing rip. But after the optic match was finished, I watched like the first two games of APG's thing. And then I was like, I didn't know.

Yeah. Then that was it. You never came back. Did I not? No. You didn't even see the grand final stage. It was lit. They like moved it.

You know where Dota was like behind you? As we were watching, they moved the HAL main stage there where oh because h1 z one was setting up there yeah yeah they moved the halo main stage there which was crazy i've watched it just from my hotel yeah yeah it's because like when we were in that room with 13 halo pros everyone was talking but everyone had their phones out watching the event like on twitch everyone was watching halo and talking about halo and that's what dude you were so you're like you're like i don't i don't think you're

like drunk but you were like feeling good and you were just talking about halo and then you tweeted halo will always have my heart or something like that well i was like man nick's getting emotional it's like i don't know it was very nostalgic yeah um just especially seeing everyone and just fucking talking about it like it was my that was my life yeah yeah it's like not even just literally legitimately my life that those were the people in my life those I've made my career with them yeah so it's just it's wild yeah it was cool because I think that's like the first time I've ever seen you in that environment like the only the only time I've seen you you and Halo like it's just like getting shit on you're just yeah you're just yeah you're just

You're literally just stressed, like, disgustingly stressed and not having fun. But, like, in that, like, we're ever, no one, when anyone talks about Halo 4, they don't talk about Halo 4, they don't talk about Halo 5. They talk about every other Halo besides that. So you guys were like talking about. I talked about anything, but like, H2A or H2A, H2A, Halo 3. Yeah. Halo 2. So you were like talking about that and you would, you would like remember something.

You'd be like, dude, and then you would like get into it. And I was sitting there, I was like, I've never seen you talk about Halo like this. Because I feel like I've always tried to get that out of you. I've always tried to get you to talk about Halo. Like I always try to get Big Timer to talk about like old school cod because he just doesn't get a fucking rambo or why I just say Rambo. I don't know. The Big Timer, Big Timber, a Rambo team, right? Yeah, yeah.

They're like a duo. I guess that's why. But I'm sure if Big Timer was in a room with all those dudes. Oh, for sure. It would be on. Yeah. It's like. But he's not going to actively go watch.

It has, like, that's only going to come out naturally. Yeah. Like the right people. Yeah. That's definitely, that's a situation where like,

obviously nobody was going to record anything, but that's a situation where like, I literally thought while we're, I can't say that. Okay. I was, do you know what I'm thinking? While we were in that room,

I was like, I was like, you could. Oh yeah, okay, I know what you're saying. Like this is something that could. Yeah. Basically, yeah. It should have been.

But it's like basically as a fly on the wall, which is basically what I was because I didn't, I couldn't contribute to the conversation at all. But it was just so like that, like for people that are nerds and Halo is their thing, like that would be like the coolest. shit to ever witness. It's kind of like sitting in a, like, you, we always like talk about, like, what, I wonder what it's like in Kanye's booth. Like, what are people talking about? What are they doing? Like, how are they bouncing off each other? Like, what are they reminiscing about? It's like, I lived that for the Halo version of it. It was dope, dude. It was dope. And there's, dude, I want to just get every, it's, it's weird because literally, I would say pretty much everyone is friends like I would love to get everyone we had there um a lot of Halo 3 players but like I

would also love to have like ogre 2 there Walshie T squared uh I don't know if you make Goseami yeah yeah um like go see like kind of the old schoolish players that like still kept the name for themselves just dude that's like fear itself like Fear, fucking Just a lot of Victory hacks. Dude, there's like The amount of

knowledge that Oger 2 has like the Oghur twins just in general. Dude. Because like to put this into perspective,

their first event was like before Huke was born like 2002. The The ogre twins won an event before Huke was born in Halo. Yeah. And it's still going on.

I think that might be what intrigues me so much about Halo, is that it, like the whole reason I got into this, I've said this a million times because of the Super Smash Brothers documentary where basically like these guys like Super Smash, Brothers came out on the 64 and everybody was, everybody knew about that game. They were like, oh my God, this game is dope. Then it came out on a GameCube and 14 to 15 year old kids started running tournaments.

Like 14 year old kids were booking venue, were like booking like random ass just buildings. And it was, dude, like multi-purpose rooms and they were making, they were, they were like creating online forums, like communities, and they were like making tournaments. And those people,

then you like throughout that documentary you see those people and some of them are still competing today and they're like they've been doing it but they've been doing it forever but they're like 26 because they've been doing it about for 11 years huk was born dude how what what year was hughbore he's what 16 i think i think he's born 2000 because he's 7 he can't compete in cod because he's 17 i thought he was 16 though I mean, I don't know. Well, either way. Fucking Pistola was, like, competing.

I think Pistola competed in 2006. And now he's, and Huk was five, six. And now they're teaming. That's crazy. That is great. That does not happen in sports. Yeah. Or actually does it?

Maybe. Like Carmella? Yeah, and that happens in sports too. That shit would be crazy. And it's like, who, I don't know, I don't know. I'm sure there are people like Frosty or B or Spector that like watched Halo, obviously, and they watched their favorite players play, and now they're probably playing against them or teaming with them.

Like Frosty watching Halo back in the day probably watched, probably watched Royal Tunes think, but like, yeah. reach or something. Did you ever see the MTV episode? True Life, I'm a pro gamer or something like that? With T squared? T squared? Yeah.

There's just that show, like, I forget when that aired. It had to, it was during Halo 2, so it was probably 2006. And then, to think, three years later, and I'm watching that shit, like, oh shit, that's T-square. And then to think three years later, not only do I beat him at a tournament for a national championship, but because at that time I was like, I was a nobody. But like I'm watching him on TV and I'm like, oh shit, that's T squared. Three years later, I beat him at a national championship and I'm chilling at his house for a week. Yeah.

Like it was, I literally like, I don't even know how that happened. I was just like friends with him. I like flew down to Florida and like showed at his apartment for a week before a tournament. And it was just like, wow, three years before that I was watching you on TV. Dude. Imagine living my life. I was watching scump videos when I was a sophomore in high school. Dude.

Fucking. And now I'm like really good friends with him. Yeah. I remember. Halo HALO events would have COD events but it was like

a halo Halo was the main thing Cod was just like on the side And I paid like No attention to it Yeah That's like Cod kids

Like scump and Who would I see Fear probably Like moho I remember scump Might have been like Big timer I think Mike

Like Enable and Flame Sword Kind of were friends with them Okay And so I'd kind of see Them mingling But I was just like I got, you know, Cod Kids.

Yeah, that's why Cod Kids like, boy have the tables. Reach dropped and all of a sudden, dude, you guys got shit on because our best, the best Call of Duty came out when the worst Halo came out. Halo 4 came out when Black Ops 2 came out. And it was just like MLG dropped you guys, picked us up. And then all the shit that you guys have been talking about, Cod Kids for four years. I don't think anyone like really talk shit about track it. Like I think they were just like there. Like we didn't, not that we didn't notice some, but it's like we weren't like talking shit about it.

Like we did our thing. They did their thing. And they just fucking skyrocketed to the top. And we ran out of gas. I started plummeting. All right. Well, we've been talking forever. Dude, I can't believe.

An hour and 45 minutes. Are people going to listen to this? I don't know. I feel like there was a lot of rambling. There was a lot of reminiscing. Hopefully you guys did enjoy that. Dude, I can't believe when you said we've been talking for 50 minutes that it was 50 minutes. Yeah, it felt like 20.

Yeah. If you would have asked me, I probably would have said like 20, 25. I feel like we said, there was some cool shit in there though. Yeah. It was a cool shit. There was a cool shit. Yeah. But I would, that shit.

Like usually, I remember the last podcast we did. Like, I enjoy doing. these obviously. But like I remember looking at the clock and I'm like 43 minutes. I'm like damn, about longer than that. Yeah. But this one flew.

We were talking about shit. We were talking about shit that we like really are passionate about. So it's easy to, it's easy to rant and to talk another fly cast in the bag. Another flycast in the bag. We'll do this again next week.

We got to. I wonder if Michael be snoring on the couch next week. And there's alarm going off? Yeah. Still no cuts. We have yet to cut. What do you mean? In a flycast.

Really? Yeah. Shit. Damn. We're killing it. Nice. Because we have to cut in the optic podcast all the time. But that's going to do it, guys.

Yeah. Do we have any outro music? I legit still forget my line.