The Flycast - Post-Eavesdrop OpTic - Ep. 30

Episode Date: June 6, 2019

Post-Eavesdrop OpTic - Ep. 30 by The Flycast

think people understand what that intro is. Maybe we should give them some insight on... What do you think they think the intro is? Like, I was trying to be funny. Maybe. It might be a... But it's deeper. It's deeper than that.

I'll just take super slow pauses without the podcast. It gets the muscles warmed up. It gets the, the middle. It just gets the blood flowing. It really does. whenever if you guys have it's got to be on record somewhere of when me and hitch i guess when there's a little tension you're trying to loosen up you just yeah scream it scream it out scream loud like like you should probably be driving what windows up or down

doesn't really matter but just fucking freak out right like i honestly i honestly haven't been screaming enough. I haven't either. Yeah. You can definitely tell. It helps, man. Yeah. It helps your, it helps life.

It really does. Sometimes afterwards, I'm like, I think that's maybe happen once, but not like a, but like, sometimes they can get emotional. You just scream so loud when the emotions come out. Yeah. Like, especially if something's like really bugging you. Yeah.

And then you do that scream and you just let it all out. After it's just like but it's so healthy. Yeah, it is. And I got that from this dude Elliot Halls. He has a video of him just in his shorts, no T-shirt, no nothing. And he has like, you know the tables massage people use. He has one of those randomly. And like at first I was like, just standing out like, like crazy.

And he does it for like 15, 30 minutes, like in 10. He'll get on the massage bed and start, like, having a fit, like a baby, like, no. Really? Just smacking the fucking, whatever the hell he's laying on, smacking the table. And he does it, like, he'll, like, rubbing his whole head. And I'm sure if you're not watching this on YouTube, it's a little weird. like really freaking out like pounding his chest

like trying to be like as animalistic and fucking like a monkey or something or an ape as possible damn and it fucking it works and it helps

fuck yeah it helps yeah I can imagine that would help because even just screaming because I used to scream a lot just randomly we used to see we used to pull up to the uh one two three five house see hex's car in the driveway and then just that's that's very true we would see we would stay in the jeep for like oh it could be anywhere from from like 30 to 45

minutes of just staying in the driveway just grrr just screaming as loud as possible It's not like it was like that against text. We just knew we walk in. We're basically in a fucking set. You just have to get ready. Yeah. You have to have a set because, you know, you walk in. The camera's on you.

Now, what are if those are little things people don't know about? I feel like people assume that we've been around it so much that like when he does put the camera on you, it's like, hey, what's all, man? Yeah, I'm being myself. But it's not. Right. It's not like that. not some of the time it's not right if you mean if depends on your day's going depends like true yeah because that's how it is with anybody like we're at the point now in the house where

we text each other if we need each other for a video it's not like you don't just go into anybody's room because the the days of entering with the video camera in the room we're kind of over we haven't we haven't done that in a while but um but i mean heck still does it so whatever we're around hex it's gotta be like you gotta you gotta prepare yourself yeah but like sometimes you'll

you'll get like text you don't like just stressful stuff yeah that like you'll just be stressed like fuck you just ate a bunch of food you ain't feeling the best and you walk in there's a camera on you and it's like you don't want to just be like hey I don't really feel so good

right you kind of get to put on like uh hey what's up man what question Are you going to ask me? Let's make this a jolly, like, good experience for the people watching. Which I try. Which he's grateful for. Yeah.

But we just have to yell it out before that happens. Yeah. It definitely helps. Episode 30 of the Flycast, which is crazy because the eavesdrop that I did was episode 30. So I don't know what you want to do with that information, but there it is. I did not think with that. How? Wait, that's a thing.

30th eavesdrop? The one that we did, yeah. Damn. So how was your experience through everything? Because that eavesdrop was a long time coming. We talked about it in the last flycast. Like, how was my experience through everything or like through watching your podcast? Yeah, I guess.

Because a lot of people watch that eavesdrop. Like a lot of people. Okay. I wonder how many views that asked. Well, at first, hmm. I wish I had this. this a little more organized in my brain. I don't know where you want me to start.

Like, at first with all the infinite stuff, when I'd I realize shit was getting fucked up? No, it's kind of like, last time we talked, we were talking about how I was kind of nervous about going into the eavesdrop. And then I finished the eavesdrop. So how do you think it went, I guess? Okay.

Yeah, you told me you're going into the eavesdrop. I'm like, you're nervous? He's like, yeah, I'm fucking nervous. I was like, oh, shit, here we go. I didn't, I knew what y'all were going to talk about, obviously. Right. But like you said, you didn't know if you were going to name names, and then Hex just started naming names.

I didn't think we were going to name names. But I think you like, like, why not name names? Yeah. Like, if this certain person was making these certain decisions, then, like, his name should be attached to these decisions. It's 300K views. Jesus. Is that 300K?

Yeah. Yeah. Fucking, Hax brought that up at the house the other day, and he was like, I hate drama, but holy shit. Everyone loves drama. He was like, I could have like two or three more videos just like bouncing off that. That would do extremely well again, but I'm not that type of guy,

but he could turn into that type of guy, just being around drama and stuff. But anyways, so I saw, hmm. So you go into the eavesdrop. uh when did i watch it i feel like i watched it i don't know i didn't really hear anything about it i don't think i was on twitter or something um but i just remember waking up and it was out and i was laying in my bed and i was like well here we go there it is not going to lie i skipped like the first 30 minutes i don't know if you talked about anything with that we just talked about the tifu bank situation and then the dick makes made sure yeah i didn't really care about that so i just skipped

skip like 30 minutes and then I hear y'all talking and then you know you are talking about how i mean hexing jay's relationship right crumbled how jay basically left optic to basically be infinite like if if infinite was an org and optic was an org jay left optic to join infinite yes that's the way of putting it yeah um there's a lot a lot that went on there um it was crazy dude it was crazy i i like while we were talking like i was like damn we're getting into it like that's what was going on in my mind um then we asked we asked matt after we were done uh or hex was like matt how did that go and matt was like that was fucking crazy i was like oh shit so then hex uh matt sent it to hex to rewatch it to make sure we didn't uh cut any or need say anything that needed to be

cut and nothing needed to be cut and then hex texted me and said it's going up right now it's not as bad it was it's not as bad as i thought it was not as bad as i thought it was going to be like we didn't really say anything bad it could have been worse right for sure and uh that's what that's what everybody who knows the actual stories they always say they always come up to me they're like you know you could have been it could have been you guys didn't even talk about anything really we just said we just said the very surface level. You basically said all the bad decisions. I mean, not even nearly all of them.

Just the biggest ones. Yeah, just the biggest bad decisions that Jay made and, like, and I guess y'all's personal relationships and how he treated us as what we would think we were friends. Yeah. How he quickly turned that into just business. Yeah. And how two months moving down here, Aaron Create is fired because of something. Because of something.

Apparently, like, we didn't even like. Because he didn't conform to the nine to five fucking job, like they hired 50 other people to do. It was like, well, that's not what I do. Right. And they were basically like, well, you need to be in your own time. You're an employee. Yeah. Because it was like, I think we never really like talked about why he got fired.

I just said he inevitably got fired. But he got fired. The reasonings were that he missed meetings. But I, we literally went to work together and left together every day. Aaron and I did. So if he missed meetings, then that means I missed the same meetings. And if he didn't show up on time, I was right there with him. But somehow they just fired him.

I think it was his, it's definitely his attitude. Probably his attitude, yeah. Because his attitude's terrible to work in a place like that. Right. Which, which I can see when they're like, yeah, it's not going to work with him working here. But it's like, yeah, we know. Yeah. That's why Aaron is in his room doing his fucking craft, arts and crafts over there.

Yeah. Like he's not meant to be in a fucking cubicle associating with John and fucking Peter. Right, yeah. when he's been when they just got jobs here and he's been working on the shit they're working on for like five years yeah like why it doesn't it just doesn't make it doesn't make any sense and it's weird to like think about it it's weird because like it's all kind of coming obviously coming back up now but it's something that we've got i've kind of just accepted and i've been way past acceptance now like i've moved on and i've started other things and and tried to figure out what i'm going to do with my life now. So the fact that it's all coming back up kind of just makes me realize how fucked up it was in the first place. Like obviously it's something that every time I think about I get angered. Like I get angry and I think about how fucked up it is. But I don't really like think about it that often. But now that it's coming back up, I'm just like, damn. Like people are like talking to me.

Like did this really happen? And I'm like, yes, that happened. And 50 things on top of that that we didn't that we barely even covered anything in that eavesdrop. And we talked for two hours. We could have talked for six hours. Like whenever it hex at one point says, is there anything else in the book? I had a page and a half more to talk about. But like it was all little things like in this situation.

We tried to do this and they said no. And like it was just that. It was what we had already talked about and all the examples we had talked about, but just over like 15 more times. And it's like how many times are you, am I going to talk about? It's the same thing. They didn't get it.

We told them what to do. They said no. They did not get it at all. Right. And that's, that's, that's the only thing that needs to be known, I guess. It's just how, how much it wasn't understood. How terrible it was from day one. Yeah.

Because literally we drive there, pull up to the apartments, and my, I'm sure I've said this on the podcast before, but my fucking stomach, my stomach sank into my, my falls. Fawls. My stomach just sank like, what? This is like, not in the middle of nowhere, but it's surrounded by just dark. Yeah.

Nothing. Dirt. Yeah. And then there's like a little shopping center up there. Right. And it's just not a good, that's just not where you're going to put a content team, first of all. Yeah.

Especially when we were promised. that we're going to have apartments overlooking the city of downtown Dallas. I mean, I think we think about it now, like, why the hell aren't we in L.A.? Like, that's what a lot of people think. Like, why aren't we in L.A.? And it's easy to think about that now. But at the time, whenever we were thinking about moving, the idea was that we were going to be in downtown Dallas.

And we're going to treat Dallas, downtown Dallas how, you know, Casey Neistadt treated downtown New York. you don't have to be in LA to collab or to make a good vibe. Like we could have, but we're in not. It could have, but it could have if like they promised it's going to be the content creators. Like imagine if all the content creators, the cod pros, the whoever fucking other 100 teams that they hired. All of us just in like a nice building, literally in downtown, overlooking the city. the amount of times you can go out for dinner.

Y'all want to go to this club tonight. Y'all want to go to this bar for a little bit. Yeah. Then we can do content with everybody collectively. Like the Halo team was down here. The Call of Duty team, the content team. The content would have been amazing. Like if it was us, the Gears people, the Halo people, and the COD people.

Yeah. And if Hax was involved. Right. And if Hax was involved, he would have made that happen. Yeah. Jay is doesn't have the under

Jay like really Jay really thought he could do it like he, Jay really thought he could like get all these people together when people are like already being skeptical of Jay because you know if we have

hex if hex is willing to be a part of it then like here comes the cod team right easy to get the gears team somewhere and like that's all we need and then you know we're there and then good good shit will happen but there's this fucking internal beef between j and hex and i don't know who's in the right or wrong apparently the people have decided that jay was

wrong but like someone just needed to like bow bow down and like apologize and be like yeah let's run shit how you know we should run shit to hex that's what we wanted we kept saying that we would say that meetings. And it's like at the end of the day, and I kept saying this to everyone, like, anybody, new people would come on and they would say, what do I need to do to fix this? And hey, it would come up to me. And I'd be like, look, man, at the end of the day, there is an issue. And if that issue is not solved, nothing else can be fixed. And the issue was always them to. And it was like, you know, there would be different people would try to fix it in different ways. Hex, we would say we need HECS backs. Like, HX just stopped doing content altogether.

He stopped it. And that stopped ever getting the Cod team. Right. And that and then because of all the contract shit and all the bad blood, all the Call of Duty team stopped doing content. So then, so then like, then it's just the content creators. They're like fuck J. Right. They've been saying that for a while. Yeah. Well, they haven't been saying it publicly, but I guess. Well, they did. Well, they have now. Yeah, now. I was like, what the fuck? But so, so there, they, obviously there was bad blood there.

Um, so then people in the, like, all the people in the comments are like, why aren't, you know, why isn't it scump in the videos or why isn't it hex in the videos? And I can't say why, uh, but. Simply put, they just don't feel like being in the videos. Right. Like there's, there's no, the videos that are going up on Optic Nation gaming right now. are not furthering optic. It's not furthering optic. It's not furthering the people in the videos.

It's just kind of throwing up videos and every single video is a fucking content deliverable. Yeah. Like it's not just good content. It's everything is, is a, I mean, it is good content. They're good ideas. But as far as just providing content just for fun and just to give the optic fan base something to watch,

like that, we haven't had a video like that in over two years and over a year and a half because it's like every single video they sell they sell for a content spot they I mean they sell for a deliverable they sell for a sponsor spot and it's like that's just you're just getting rid of all of the organic material that made opt-a-optic guy guys we got to record for this deliverable um probably paying us hundreds of thousands but you guys aren't going to get anything right but we want you to to bring your A game. Right. So then it's the same thing. I talked about it a little bit in the eavesdrop whenever the content team in the Scuff House found the contracts for the other two sponsors. Imagine we didn't find that. We realized how much money the sponsors were paying and how much and how little money we weren't receiving anything.

And like, you know, so after that, after that we got, it kind of all got sort of. and figured out we got contracted for the first time in optic history the content team was contracted we started getting a salary but then they started bringing in more sponsors and um and they were going to do we you know and at the time when they brought in those new sponsors the cod team had already exited the hector had already exited and the halo team got dropped CS team is in another country you know the League of Legends team is in Cali and the outlaws can't be in videos so it's like Sheila's fucking Sheila's in Austin right so it's like who is going to do that those videos we are the same the same five six yeah six people we're going to do it and the video's not going to do

well because our stock right now is not doing well and the videos are not good ideas and they aren't catered towards the fan base so then we're like well we'll do this but we can't we we can't be you're we you are depending on us to do these videos and you're putting more workload on us so why aren't we going to receive any of the like why are we going to be fairly compensated for that well we had a meeting one time and jay was offended for the fact that like i forget how i worded it but i was just like i was like yeah i feel our uh pay is fair for just doing like a few videos a week. Right.

And like getting those done. But then when it comes to the videos being deliverables for every single fucking deliverable, it always comes to us. And you know they're throwing hundreds of thousands to fucking mill. I don't know. Yeah. But like, then they want us to do those on top of it all. And that is not, that just like, I would not do deliver. for people throwing hundreds and hundreds of thousands of dollars and millions.

I will not do videos for them and do videos for the Optic Channel for what I was getting paid. Right. I didn't think that was fair. Right. And they would have us like these all-day video shoots, these all-day videos for this deliverable. And it's like, we aren't getting compensated for any of that. Like I could be home streaming, making more money. Or, you know, throw us a couple of.

couple thousand or something and we'll make it really good but when everyone thinks it but when we all as content creators think it's like literally us versus them and like we're not getting shit for this but meanwhile meanwhile we have to do everything like yeah and that video not we're per not that we're purposely half-assing a video but it's like there's no that you don't that's not how you work with content creators yeah and that media them no incentive we haven't ever had a meeting where it didn't turn hostile yeah every every meeting with jay was hostile yeah it was like uh like whenever i mentioned like i think we get paid fair for doing the videos and stuff like that he was like tam right y'all do just like a snarky

like right like damn right y'all do y'all do y'all do you don't do shit yeah and it's just and then it's like Well, what about all these deliverables that now we have to do? Wait, wait, you said you were going to get the cod guys to do them? Right. Oh, they said no? That was the thing is that he was saying, well, it's not, you know, it's not just going to be you guys. And I looked at them and I said, yes, it is just going to be us. We are the ones you're going to depend on.

He said, well, what about our other teams? And I was like, well, the cod guys aren't going to do it. I'm telling you they're not. And then he said, they're contractually obligated. And I was like, I know their contracts and they're not. I'm telling you they're not. I am telling you that unless we get the cod teams in and we are able to get some sort of old vibe back,

the videos are not going to do well. And if you're just banking on us to do it, then that comes back to what we were all there for in the first place, which is the conversation. And then the conversation always came back to, well, the cod team has to do it. The Gears team has to do it. They have to be in videos.

And here we are, seven months later, and the Cod team hasn't been in any videos. And like I said in the first place, I know the guys. I know them. They're not going to do it. There's a lot of animosity there,

so I know they're not going to do anybody in infinite any favors. And they're not contractually obligated to be there in the first place. And then we kept getting more sponsors with more deliverables. That meeting was for Fuel Real. And ever since Fuel Real,

there's Nissan with more delivery. And there's GameStop with more deliverables. And I love, I like those companies. I don't know anything about them because we haven't been involved in anything. Besides, you know, besides talking with the people in Infinite that we actually do get along with about like Nissan deliverables and stuff. But as far as talking to the actual companies, we haven't talked to them at all. We don't know what they're, what they're, you know, what they want from us. They have to be lying to these companies.

Maybe. of like we'll get you we'll get these deliverables with one of our Call of Duty players they're definitely selling the Call Off Duty team If they're doing that Who knows if they are

Because I don't want to get in trouble And say they're definitely doing that If they are That's pretty fucked up Because The Cot team's not going to be in the videos And the cot team You know they're not receiving any of the

Like I mean they already have Fat-ass salaries So it's where whatever there. Yeah. But as far as like them getting money on top of what the company brings in, I don't think they see any of that either.

I don't know though, to be fair. I mean, they probably do. I'm sure they have done some deliverables that we just don't. It was like a small, they say photo shoot or something for, I don't know, something, but they're getting paid to do it 100%. Yeah. There's no way that... Yeah.

Or unless Hex talks them into it. Like the Mountain Dew thing with Game of Thrones, do, do, do, do, do. I'm sure, I think Hex talked them into that because he knew it was going to go on TV. And like shit like that, like Hex. Yeah. Hex understands it,

which is what we've been saying since day one. He does get it because Hex. Hex is the guy that would take interviews whenever the cod team didn't want to do them. He would do deliverables whenever the cod team didn't want to do them. He would do deliverables whenever the cod team didn't want to do. do them and he thought or if the kai team didn't want to do them and he thought it was in their best interest he would talk them into it like that's hex has always been that guy and you know

now that hex was out of the picture none of that was available yeah and like j wouldn't even tried to get hex back into the picture and hex was pretty much just sitting there like waiting for shit to blow up yeah and shit hit the fan multiple times yeah and every time it hit the fan there would be a tiny little upswing and everyone would say oh everything's better now but every time there was a little upswing anybody who's behind the scenes knew that it was just another matter of time yeah and here we are man who the fuck knows what's going on next yeah i guess we'll find out fucking what end of next week from what i heard i'm i'm not going to lie when i've said i've heard the end of next week

every week for the past three months. I've heard that. So I don't know. I don't know. I don't want to say too much, but Hex told me something yesterday. Right. But I'm not going to say it on here.

That's cool with you guys, right? But you think maybe it is, you think maybe it is the end of next week is what you're saying? What was the situation when And I remember we had a meeting, and I think you had your marker or whatever. You were like drawing shit on the board of how shit was supposed to happen. Is that the moment Jay called you out for making a rookie move? And this was the most like.

So this was in, um, pissed I've seen Hitch. This is a, oh, dude, my voice was quivering. You know when you get some, I don't know if you ever were like this. Do you ever get some mad where you almost cry? I get what you're saying Like way back in the like whenever I was a kid I used to get so mad that my voice would shake And I remember that day was the maddest I think

The maddest I've ever been Probably in my adult life My voice was shaking And I was like And I remember I remember thinking like Please don't fucking like break right now Like don't get so mad you fucking like cry Or your voice shakes

But that was the meeting I talked about in the eavesdrop. It's probably the only thing that I regret not saying in the eavesdrop. But, yeah, it was a meeting in January. It was the first meeting we came forward and we said, just so you know that there's no content space here. We need content space. We need, we need, you know, equipment.

We need a bigger team because we need to make this. We see how much money. is going into this company. We need to make it great. We want to make this, you know, the best thing, the best content that e-sports has ever seen. And then that's when I wrote it all out on the board where we were and what that meant for Aaron and I.

And then that's when, I think, I think, Jay looked at me and he said, you know, you're, you, you need to understand that you aren't a content creator. You and Aaron are not content creators. So everything that you're fighting for right now, none of it applies to you. And I was like, I understand, I understand that, but also it's not correct. Like Aaron and I are in optic. So regardless of whatever that means on paper, that means we are recognized in content, so that makes us content creators. At the time, Jay was also a content creator.

He had been in content, in Optic content. So he was considered, you know, he had his role or whatever. Hex is a content creator. He's CEO of Optic, but he's a content creator. You know what I mean? Like content creator doesn't mean, all it means is you create content

or you're a part of some content. So we said that. And then he said, if you talk, if you keep talking like this, this is going to go down a path you don't want it to go. I remember he said that. And I said, I would like it to go down that path right now. Like I want, I want, whatever is on your mind, I want you to say it.

And then just because I went in there and asked for more content space and more equipment and a better idea of what we were going to do moving forward in Noscope, he said, you know, Davis, you're talking, you're talking. and the way that you're talking, you're seeming very rookie right now. You seem like a, you seem like a rookie and when it comes to business. And I don't, I don't, I don't remember quite what happened after that. All I remember is blacking out. Like, yeah, I don't really, I don't really remember.

I forget who else was in the room, but it was just like, I think that's a little silence. And everyone realized like, wow. Shit's different. Shit is different. I'm sure it really is different now. What did he say before to you? There's a path. You don't want to...

Yeah, this is going to go down a road that you don't want it to go. Like, how... And what he meant by that was he was talking about the fact that I was trying... I was trying to stand up for you guys and for the content creators about us not having the equipment. But in his mind, I was an employee. of no scope and so was Aaron so everything that I was there fighting for didn't apply to me and that's

why he said that. No. He looked at you, well, yes, but he looked at you and was basically like you don't want to fuck with me. That's what he meant. Yeah. At least I think.

Davis, you're coming at me and let me tell you something. You don't want to fuck with me. I bet those are the words he really, wishes he could have said. But even then to fucking someone we and I don't even

I don't even want to turn this into a fuck Jay podcast but because I liked Jay I can't even say I have a really good friend. Yeah I consider him a really good friend fucking months before we moved to you we're out there playing basketball and shit together

damn near every day talking about the future and then we get here and it's like like something changed. And just for the, for him to be so close with us to be able to sit us in a room and then look at you and you trying to

help build what we need built. And then he still can look at you and say, Davis, this is going to be, this is going to go, if you keep, I guess like if you keep pressing me like this, this is going to go down a path. You don't want to go.

Because I'm Big J. And you're just little old Davis. That's how I looked at it. I mean, that could be the case. That at that moment, I was like. That meeting did change everything, though. Because that meeting, I was like, I remember leaving the meeting like, what the fuck? Like, what?

What just happened? That was like almost every meeting, though. Yeah, but every meeting he would. So defensive. Every meeting, to his defense, every meeting he would call me afterwards and be like, that meeting is not how I wanted it to go. and then he would try to like make up for what happened, which was,

which, which, you know, it worked the first two or three times. I was like, okay, I'm sorry it got hostile in there. I didn't want it to get hostile.

I didn't want that to be the vibe of the meeting. This is just what I was saying. Like, Aaron and I feel disrespected. We feel like you haven't, you know, respected what we built and, and we want to,

we want to push optic to the next level. We're not being, we're not looking after ourselves. We want to push optic content to the next level. And then, the conversation would go how it was originally supposed to go where it was like okay that makes sense and like the the times when i built my own optic team or the the times when i you know finally got through and and uh you know made it so maybe we could get some more space maybe we could

get some more equipment that always happened like a week after the initial meeting because it was so white, hot and angry in the meeting. And then there was a time when it would smooth over and then the actual conversation would be brought to light. And then that's, and that happened so many times. Like, it literally just happened in the last meeting we had. The last meeting where, what you're talking about about the fuel real thing, where it's like, we're not being compensated. And Will, Will was like, well, you know, I think it's fair for us to be compensated because our numbers are being sold for these. spots and then he looked at will was like i don't sell any of you guys's numbers on any of the

spots and then will was like why you know what i mean like all and then why would you not sell our analytics right and then at that point it was like it turned kind of hostile and i don't like he i feel like in every meeting he was pretty much like look guys like we don't really need y'all so no the need you to step it up the vibe for the past year and a half was you're close to being dropped like for the past year and a half it was you're close to being dropped i'm hearing from people in the office that they're looking at new content creators does anyone know and so it's like when i'm hearing they're looking to replace me like why would i still try to like come on a video kill it right for the for the optic channel

or try to kill a deliverable which i'm not getting compensated that's why that's why i have so much Getting paid minimally. I have so much fucking respect for Ashley. Like, the amount of respect I have for Ashley is like unreal. Because she, she knows, she knows her vibe on the nation channel.

There is a, there is a way where Ashley is in content, and it's how she runs her personal channel, and it's how she runs her stream. And it's whenever she's in her own element, her own vibe, she is an amazing content creator, and very chill,

very vibe, and just does what she does and people enjoy it. People enjoy it. She's great to talk along, like to talk to. She has a great sense of humor. What you can't do with Ashley

is throw her in a video and tell her to be funny and tell her to, to just conform with whatever the fuck we're doing and try to make herself fit. Because that's when the optic channel thrashes, you know, just for some reason,

there's a bunch of little kids out there that treat her like shit. Whenever she was envisioned, it was fine for the, the most part and whenever she was in other videos in the nation channel throughout the past it was fine but then you you know you they started throwing her in trivia videos and her partner is Bose or her part you know what I mean and it's just like not going well she finds out she is she finds out like a couple months ago that she is being asked to leave Dallas she the I think

what it was is the we want to take it back to how it was before and she was and I was talking with her and she was like and i guess what it was before is i live in minnesota and they don't pay me anymore and i was like damn that's like super fucked up they gave her two months and throughout those two months she showed up to every fucking fuel royale she showed up to every content deliverable she was supposed to go to knowing that she is being dropped basically and the only reason not dropped not dropped from her fired i guess this is from her corporate job over here and the thing with Ashley is I would have I would have done the same thing that I would have

done with Aaron where I go fucking crazy with Ashley but Ashley has talked about it multiple times that she wanted to move She's been one out of here for a while So it gave her an opportunity She got a little bit of moving money So that helped her but now she's going back up to Minnesota but even throughout all that time

Knowing how how disrespectful it is to drop the longest optic member here besides hex which is Ashley Ashley's been in optic longer than scump Ashley's been in optic longer than when Nate shot joined

like she is the longest member here and she got fired or asked to leave and then she said well I've actually kind of been you know thinking about starting or doing something else

besides content creation like managing channels or or you know doing social stuff and then they were like oh we hadn't even thought about that maybe there is a spot for you here So it was like it was it was just kind of like we need to save money. Let's get rid of Ashley, I guess. Which doesn't.

I don't know. I have so much respect for her because she never gave up or she never she never let up even after being disrespected as much as she was. Yeah. I mean she definitely fits her own as a content creator. Right. But it's just not, I guess, when it's me, Bose, Flame Sword and you. Right. And we're all fucking.

Yeah. hype and or whatever the fuck. Right. Like it's hard. Her personality. Like people would just call out her personality for her. Because it's so different from ours, I guess. But with me and Ashley, I think if me and Ashley sat down in a video and vied together, it would be hilarious.

Same with her and Sheila. Like, they'll hurt. But if you throw her in a basketball fuel real with the rest of all of the other guys and we're all like broing out being weird. and then she doesn't play basketball and it's supposed to act. You know what I mean? It's just like, I don't know,

it's just, like, they definitely didn't do her justice for how her vibe is. They didn't do anything for like, I guess the females. Like, they could have had Ashley and Sheila doing something

because, like, they're good friends too. Yeah. Maybe start their own little podcast or. Right. I don't know. There's something there. Yeah, there's something there.

I mean, it all just comes down to the fact that, yeah, I mean, our content team has to understand our content creators. And that wasn't really the case up until lately, up until probably this new house. I can't believe I found out the majority of people hired, and I could be wrong on this, but a lot of people hired didn't even know about e-sports. Right. Especially people that were working directly with. with us right like yeah that explains why our first i think it was our first video was supposed to be a fortnight video we were in the smallest room ever mouse pads as big as my palm yep and with shitty mice shitty computers lag just terrible and that's our first optic plays and it's just like wow

so all that money do that's all the money invested into these this team that team this team this team that scene, this team to, where are they at now? And where are we? Like, it just, at every... We're still here, and we didn't get shit. They got everything. They got everything. And then they ended up just getting tossed.

Right. It's crazy, dude. It was the worst execution ever. And I don't know who that's on, but whoever's decision to, like, spread optic out like that, like that and obviously they have a vendetta against the the content creators so fuck them we'll give them bare minimum hopefully they can make something work out but we're going to do this global shit over here and holy fuck holy shit that was wrong right not wrong as it messed up like no you lose like you couldn't have been more wrong right that was the worst decision you

could have made. That's just how I feel. That's how I feel. And it's, I don't, I'm kind of over being upset about it or mad about it. But I'm, I was right. Dropping the Halo team. It has to be, and I hope it has sunk in that I was right. And I, I hate to say that, but it's how I feel. There's so many times where I said, that is not a good idea. This is not going to work. Imagine if they came to us and was like, it's like how Hex would do. Like if if, if, like at 1, 2, 3, 5, if he was picking up a player, picking up a player, picking up a team, he'd be like, what do you guys think about picking up this guy to replace him or picking up this team? We're going to have the new optic team come in to replace this team. Like, and everyone either agrees or they say it's not a good idea.

This, imagine if they came to us and we're like, hey, we're thinking about dropping the optic halo team. We'd be like, no, no, no, no. no right no dude and like right there they're like why well because there's what was there history or yeah how much history is there how they will move here they'll be in content dude that did happen did it the first time i got what i got wind of the call of the halo and gears of war team being dropped we were still in the scuff house really yeah i was i was sitting down at Burrito Express with Hex and Jay,

and Jay said, so what do you think the future of Halo and Gears is? Because I don't think there is a future in e-sports there. And I was like, whoa, whoa, well, like maybe, maybe not for other people. But our team brings in championships. Both of those teams bring in championships. They provide us, they provide us content. They provide us trophies.

A story. Like, it gives credibility to Optic. The fact that we, we look out for these guys not only are they helping optic but we're helping their e-sports like we're in a position where we can help an entire esport so

there's no we should not be thinking that way and that was that was fucking way before and I thought at that point it was like okay that's how it is but then it came back up and I it's the same thing that happened the argument like no these are

these are our fake like these are our fucking family like we we know these guys like you grew up with some of these guys it's it's like like it's so much different than how the vibe is with a lot of e-sports and their teams like we we have like a we had like a oneness with our with our teams and now like kitty was living in the house at the time kitty was living in the house and tj was living in the house it's like you're thinking about dropping people that are living in the house that we're going back to after we're We're done with the people loved.

Right. And it's just like it doesn't really, it didn't really make sense. It never made sense. It still doesn't. It's crazy how much sense it doesn't make, but those decisions still went through. Still happened. Dude, you got to think what would, like, Hex and I think about it all the time or talk about all the time.

We're like, why did we ever stop it? Like, we shouldn't even have stopped it. Like, you want to sell the cod team? Sure. the cod team. Sure. Just do it. Just see what happened. Just do it. Yeah, I think that's a great idea. Yeah, you should definitely sell

the cod team. I think that's a great. Get rid of the Gears team too and the Halo team. Do it all in one tweet. You should just do that. That's what we would, we, we joked about each other. We've joked that way with each other for a long time because it's so bizarre. It's nuts. It's so, it doesn't even make sense

that that's just kind of the comedic way to get over it. Just like, yeah, man. My brain can't fathom the decisions that were made. And the decisions that were thinking about being made, like dropping the Call of Duty team, dropping the Halo, dropping the gears team.

How is that even in the thought? Oh, because you guys never really worked with e-sports before. You don't pay attention to Optic. you don't realize our whole fan base is sort of under these people supporting these teams the halo the gears that obviously call of duty like are they simply just looking at it as stream number they're literally they have to just be looking at it as okay well we pay these guys this much but the event final is only had 8k views that's exactly that has nothing to do with it because when they come back it's a trophy for optic it's another chance to be that's another chance

championship. It's another story to be made with like vision or something. Like it's a lot more than just these fucking than numbers. Yeah. Dude. Yeah. It's fucking insane. And it like what you were saying about the vendetta stuff. Um, shit. I hope I'm going to trouble. Hey, what the fuck? Whatever. But like it, it became such a it wasn't it. It got so toxic where it wasn't like. who's trying to do good for optic and who's who's trying like it was the content creators were looked so down upon we were so hated like they hated us that whenever people started to understand the real story because i've heard from people a lot a lot of people i've heard from a lot of people that worked in infinite prior to everyone getting fired that it was don't talk to hex don't talk to the content creators if the vibe was if you get caught talking to Hex or the content creators, you are now like, it's suspicious. Like, you were being looked at as suspicious.

And it wasn't like, that's the environment that we would go into to like record and shit. Well, not really recording shit because the people we record with, I fuck with them. Right. Anyway. But the thing is, is the people that we record with now, they're seen as people that have sided with the content creators because they talk to us now. and like Roger the meeting that I talked about

where Roger went in trying to fix everything and he said you know he said this this should this a lot of this shit is terrible and we need to figure out how to fix it and he was saying the same things that I had been saying and then that meeting turned into you know it's all

hitch's fault to begin with he made the around the bar video he blacked out his avie it's all hitches fault there was a reason that you you know you fucked up in the scuff house there was a lot of shit that you didn't do and you weren't available or you weren't ready for this position that's how it turned very toxic and ever since that

Rogers kind of started understanding what all was fucked up what all wasn't going well and then he like kind of got demoted and kind of got thrown under the bus after everything else happened because he fucked with us is what it seemed like and then another guy got his position now he fucks with us now he's being looked at as somebody

who's like can you say? No I don't want to say his name but it's just it just seemed like it was always content versus corporate and all the people in the on the and the public could see was content because we're the only one with a face and so it seemed like we were being bitchy towards corporate but the vibe from it seemingly day one was don't fuck with those guys literally day one yeah it was so toxic dude so like i'm so glad i'm out of of it like I'm doing my thing now like it's fine but whatever happens I still I have like two fingers crossed that good things happen with Optic and I'm ready to help with that story I will not

be driving the story I will not be shooting vision I will not be editing vision because those days for me are kind of done because of how much effort I put into it and then how that all came back around. But as far as helping the story of Optic and moving it forward, sure, I'm excited. I'm really excited to see

what Hex gets with it back. I'm excited to vibe to be in that scenario again where we can do some content together. But I'm just so glad all the shit's done. And I never, I never wanted to,

I knew the eavesdrop was going to be crazy. I never really wanted it to be as attacking as it was because I knew the fans were going to go crazy. I, but, yeah. but like what else could we have done like what else could hex and i have done that all we did we didn't send anyone to attack we don't i don't i didn't want anyone to attack i don't have i think i

have the words fuck and j muted or deleted in my stream like people my mods are on top of it we don't talk about it we don't i don't want to encourage attacking anyone in my stream or just anyone in general, but I don't know how else we could have really done the eavesdrop without just telling the truth and what actually happened. Yeah. I think you can only make so many mistakes until the time has come to where people are like, wait, why is it so fucked up? And then all you did was literally explain what happened.

The bare minimum. We didn't talk about anything. Like in the grand scheme of things We talked about like 5% of what we could have talked about And that's what And everyone that has come to me from the outside It's just like dude I can't believe you had to go through that Or I can't believe that's what it was like

And everyone on the inside was you guys didn't talk about anything Like that's those are the two Which is crazy I hope that I really want to say that multiple times To let it sink in that Hex and I talked about nothing We talked about three situations when we could have talked about a hundred. Like, in every single one of the situations

are the same exact vibe of what we talked about in the eavesdropped or what we've talked about here. It's just toxicity and egos and condescension. It's all across the world. A lot of egos in the building. Even fucking, like, the most random people

you wouldn't expect to have egos. People do it. People do it. reviews about what optic how optic got to where it is today from people like there was like a guy did an interview talking about the content within optic and it was a guy who had been who was a trigger fish employee for like two months and he was talking about how no scope built uh built up optic content from like smooth competition and things like that and me and hex were like what the fuck that was us dude it's literally people i feel like people that get into this type of business are just fucking

idiot and like they like I guess he took it as his job was to speak on it so I guess he tried his best yeah I guess but at the same time probably trying to hype his own shit up

of no scope media and I will say that some people some people think that some people are saying that Jay Jay did this for the money or he did this for to sell out or whatever.

And I don't think that's the case. I think he ran the business as well as he thought. He ran it how he thought it should be run. Yeah, I feel like it's not like a betrayal thing or like he turned his back. I think he actually tried to make it work. Exactly.

He just got a zero percent on the test. But that's not the issue I have. The issue I have wasn't, how he tried to run it. It was the fact that we, like, it's one thing if Aaron tells you something and you're like, okay, that's just Aaron.

And that's another thing where if I tell you something and it's like I have some, I have a little bit of credibility when it comes to at least content in Optic and I don't have Aaron's attitude. So maybe you can at least reason with me, at least understand what I'm trying to say.

But if you completely ignore all of me and Hex is coming to you, the guy who built optic and you're ignoring everything that Hex said, that's the issue that I have. It's not, I don't think he did it for the money. I don't necessarily think he did it for the power. I do think he let the power get to his head. I think he let it

control him a little bit. But that's not the issue I really have. I think, the only issue I have is that we tried to make it a collaborative effort and that wasn't, that was completely ignored. Yeah.

He like you said I believe he tried his best to make it work for everyone I believe he tried his best to especially make it work for himself so that his

like in his head he thought these decisions that he's going to make are going to fucking blossom and it's going to look like oh Jay knows what he's fucking doing yeah I believe he had good intentions for

the most part I wouldn't really say later like this year because I really felt like he was kind of like fuck the content creators and the whole corporate side was like fuck the content creators but I truly do believe

he wanted the best but he just every single idea was bad every idea was bad and every time every time he talked to someone, he spoke to them and he just didn't know how to speak to him without there being some kind of like controversy and basically no, his way was the right way.

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Oh, I got it. Oh, I got it. So you want to talk about the other shit that's been going on? The phase and Tifu shit or the Nate shot Nick Merck stuff or the Jack joining 100th I got it open. You got it, yeah. What, phase, Nick? Yeah.

Yeah, which one? Phase? Let's talk about the, yeah, let's talk about the Tifu Banks shit. Tifu versus Banks. Release the fucking contract. Let me hear you hear. your side first. Talked about it a little bit in the flight or in the eavesdrop.

I just think I think everybody's over their heads a little bit, especially Tefu. I mean, I think Tefu signed obviously a shitty contract. I think Faze, obviously Faze has talked about how they didn't accept any or didn't take any of his money. So, you know, that's one side of it. But the thing is on Tifu's side, they could take any of his money whenever he wanted it. So I think Banks, obviously Banks is a face that wasn't necessarily supposed to be involved, but he took it to heart because I think it was more about people on the actual corporate side that Tifu had an issue with. And so I don't know.

I don't know. I think everybody is just kind of in over their head a little bit. But now I think they're keeping him on phase. But why would you want to keep somebody on phase that is very vocal about not wanting to be on phase? You know what I mean? I don't know. He removed everything from phase, changed his, changed his,

they're just cloaksie and Tifu now. So, Cloaksie's not on a phase, or is he? I'm pretty sure they're out. I wonder which one's going to join a hundred days. Which is a big loss. What pisses me off is Banks tweeted like, I don't really have a side. I think they both went through it wrong.

Yeah. So I'm not really picking a side, but fuck, what was I going to say about Banks? No, Closie. Team of captain for Phase Clan. It's still out here. On Closies? Yeah, yeah. Really?

I know he changed his gamer tag or whatever. Yeah. I don't know. Maybe I'm wrong. But Banks went at it like, he tweeted something like, I brought you up from nothing, made you so much money, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. the only thing I'd expect in return is loyalty. And it's like... You have an issue with loyalty.

I have an issue when people... It's not loyal... Like, loyalty... Loyalty has an... I've heard this quote before. Loyalty has an expiration date. And I think it was Tifu's loyalty expiration date fucking expired.

Like, he did what he was supposed to do with Faze. He doesn't, he's sitting there making multi, sitting there making millions of dollars, what, a month? Yeah. Fucking, like, he can go do his own thing. And if you see your little, your little brother come up and you help him come up, but he's also bringing a fucking, the entire Fortnite community to your brand. Yeah.

I don't know who owes who. That is true, yeah. Tifu brought the entire Faze community to fucking Faze. The entire 4-9 community. Like, it was like, you know, him joining Faze obviously helped, but, like, joining Faze can only do so much. Tifu did it perfectly. He's that fucking good.

He's a good streamer. And, like, Faye should be happy and feel blessed that they even got Tifu. because he brought the entire Fortnite community to fucking Faze. And if that wasn't enough for him to jump on, do that, make some millions, Faze got more than enough off Tifu's name fucking from, when you think of Tifu, you think of Faze and you think of Fortnite. Faye's got the whole fucking Fortnite community off that. If that's not enough, I don't know what it is,

but to me he does not owe him loyalty. he can you don't bring up he he'd call him like his brother and something you don't bring up your brother and then he blows the fuck up and you try to hold him back with you instead of seeing him you know go off and do his own things and fly little tifu fly yeah yeah i feel like loyalty i guess i can get what you're saying i feel like loyalty is more about like person person to person rather than player to org and shit. You know what I mean? Like I feel like there's some loyalty still between an eight shot and Hector and they are

CEOs of two different orgs, but it's because they came up together that there's some sort of loyalty. You know, I have, I have loyalty to Optic and I have loyalty to Hex, but, you know, after this past year, who the fuck knows what that means? Like, like, I think, you know what I mean? Like, that's just going to be, like, if, I think it's going to be like if, I think it's loyalty as in if hex ever needs anything then you know i'd be there to help or if or if nain shy ever needs anything hex is there to help and it's like i i feel like the the the issue was is that

like i don't know i don't know if tefu ever went straight to banks it was like hey this is a big issue like let's work this out or if he had like little birds chirping in his ear that was like just sue him just sue phase well apparently suing them was the only way apparently they were trying to like renegotiate but i think tifu knew from the go like he was not trying to renegotiate with them he was trying to go do his own thing like he probably felt he didn't need to be on an org anymore um which makes perfectly fucking sense with how much money he makes like you don't want to be tied down and suddenly you have you're making fucking multi-million dollars a month and you have someone that you still have to look to.

Yeah. And that's like calling you out on Twitter and shit like that. It's like, yeah, I wouldn't want to deal with that shit either. I'd get out with my multi-millies and keep doing my thing. You don't own anyone's shit. Shit is crazy. Then we got Jack joining 100 Thieves and Nick Merck's joining Faye's. What do you think about that?

Jack joining 100thieves? What? No. I knew this in fucking March of last year. But, yeah, congrats to Jack, even though it felt like he's been

in 100thies for the past few months. Congrats to Jack. They're really doing they're really doing it how it should be done. How it should be fucking done. Yeah. They're really doing it over there.

So best elected them I saw they started their own podcast Called the Courage and Natechot show Or is it the Natechot and Courage show I think it's the Courage and Natechot show I think that was what they That was the joke is that

Courage is first Yeah Yeah I saw something like that But yeah best of like to them I mean they don't really need it Yeah But I see them doing their thing Their content is so good

It pisses me off man Every time I see it I'm just like yep this looks like what uh what what should have happened over here yeah every single time i see something i mean their their content creator their content team is the best i mean it's the best in esports right now is their content team fucking like people who have been around in e-sports forever yeah oh that would make sense yeah they're people that knows knows what they're doing and jack and nashot have a lot to say in what the content should be and what the announcement video should be like and what the

see that's what it i would hope to think that's what it would have been like if hex like when we moved here and heck say hex was still the main guy yeah like we there would have been shows with like the cod team or there would have been a better house to where everyone feels like they can go to yeah like literally last night at the bar the B team said to us there were like, we actually like our house more than y'all's house. Like, I was like, what do you, uh, y'all trying to come back to our place after and drink or something? They were like, we're actually just gonna go to the B team house. Like, no offense, but like, that is not a content house. Yeah. And like, you get, like, you go to their house and it's

just like a different feel. Yeah. Yep. I mean, that's just, I just want to fucking nap. You tired? I'm tired to talking about it. She pisses me off. How are your streams going to be going? The streams have been going really good. Yeah, I know. Really good. I think I'm excited about it.

I think that the TST vibe is finally getting, like, recognized and getting understood. And I think it has a lot to do with we've really locked down what we want to do, which is just play GBs and talk to chat as much as possible. And then also kind of display how good, like, we're pretty good at the game, too. and then definitely incorporate style. The Twitter clips have really been helping. We've been averaging around like a thousand viewers without a host over the past three days. And I'm,

I think a lot of, I mean, obviously a lot of that has to do with right after the eavesdrop went up. That shit happened. But we're trying to retain as much as possible and keep the energy high and shit like that. So I don't know. I'm excited. I'm excited to see what happens in the coming weeks.

but I think we're really grinding it out right now. Yeah. I think you guys really have something on Twitch that no one else has. Yeah. And that's like, at least I don't sit there and watch your streams, but I know, like you can just see from the Twitter clips, just all the hype behind it and how you guys interact with each other. It's just like that should be a stream that is noticed.

Like that should be a stream that's getting thousands. of views. Like what the fuck else are people watching? Yeah, I appreciate that. Yeah, you tweeted, you tweeted TST is next up or something like that and me, Blake and George were sitting at a call like talking about it after we were like, dude, that tweet hyped us up. That tweet hyped me up so much. I was like, that's, it's just. That's the truth. You can see when someone hits the wave. Yeah. Like courage was hitting his wave. Yeah. I had a little wave at one point. Yeah. It disappeared. I don't think it disappeared.

I think you're, I mean, I think we've always been the same way as far as like streams. It's like, it just takes one thing. Yeah. Like you, like it just takes one. I always have like the comeback. Yeah. Which is what I'm working on right now. Yeah.

I got some work to do. It's just hard because it's, I mean, the, the GTA streams were fucking great. But now like what is GTA still a thing? A lot of the big streamers are stopping GTA. And right now it's like my highest, my highest, like, views and, like, sort of interaction and stuff is with GTA. But it's not something, like, what do I, I don't have a goal every time I get on. Yeah. Like, yeah.

It's so it's just like, I'm literally every night just winging it, hoping people, funny people are on on the server. Like, that's what I need. is that other funny people on the server. Yeah. But I also hate streaming at night. I don't show it on stream. I'm not like, like I'm very energetic and stuff.

But I do not like streaming at night. I would rather wake up. I want to figure out like a morning stream. But that would mean no more GTA. So that might have to come back to 17-hour Fortnite sessions, you know, just to get, fucking good again. Yeah.

Like Fortnite. I guess Fortnite's still the game to play, but it's still Fortnite's so hard because you're either, I don't know, I feel like there's... You've either been playing it this whole time and you're getting fucking... If you played, you would lose it. You would maybe last two games. I wouldn't play.

I saw your tweet about the wall. The thing about that tweet is there was a minute of fighting before that with like pretty much the same stuff. Really? Yeah, like, when I was dropping in that game, I was like, I am only building this game. I am only building. So I instantly got a bunch of wood. He tried coming up on me.

I was just wooding, wooding. And then, like, I ran away. Then I was, like, blocking him as he's chasing me behind him. And then we, like, getting a little fight. He chunks me. I chung him. Someone else flies in. One of them kills each other.

And that's when I'm at the bottom. And then that's when I go up the ramp and then, like, shoot him through the door. and then that's when the fight starts. But it was like a whole two-minute process of that bullshit. And what led up to that was like two games before that was the same type of fights I was in. And I was just like, I can't deal with this. Yeah, that's just, I think, like,

whenever there are instances where you can get out of like just going to gun battle by doing stuff like that. Because in Black Ops Four, it's shoulder peaking. Whenever we play a team that just shoulder peaks And you can't kill them because you shoot them like twice and then they just heal up with their little stem pack and then they shoulder peek again I can't I hate playing people like that like that's how It's how good people play so whenever we play good people I just lose it But that's like the the rage that I feel whenever I hit someone twice and then they go behind the

The wall and they're already full health that's how fortnight is all the time. It's just you tag one point person and then they're building and it's just like oh and now they they took out pump shotguns so you can't even like chunk someone so like with that half a second that their body's exposed and you can chunk them yeah like you can't even do it anymore you're using a drum gun and getting like hitting them for like 30 or like 60 tops and then it's just to another battle fight then another battle fight then you'll hit them like twice again then another battle fight and it's just so people will really be practicing that building stuff Yeah, that sounds terrible. Yeah.

It's not fun, but I can tell I'm getting better. There's plenty of nobs that still just shit on. But yeah, as far as like any sort of competitive, like, there's a competitive playlist now called Arena. And like in that playlist, people are, it's, there's 40 people left and you'll just see a guy in a hut, just like taking it as if he's in the World Cup. Just like trying to make it,

trying to last to the end. And I'm on a mountain, just no cover. Just like, I'm looking at everyone in their fucking boxes. I'm like, I hate this fucking game. Just shooting people's shit for no reason, just to fuck with them. Yeah, it's great. I kind of watched some of the World Cup stuff. I watched a lot of Nick Berg's stream and some of, like, Neo stream.

And, dude, there will be like 50 people left when the circle's like this small. Like the circle like it'll be whenever the circle rotates you have to run to the next circle and there's 40 people just bouncing and I'm just like nah I'll just stick to GBs like it's 2007. Did we talk about Nick Merck's and A-Shot? Nah. I don't think we did. No, we didn't talk about it. You got any opinions on it? My opinion, my opinion about the whole thing is I don't really fucking have opinion.

Because everything's speculation. We don't really know. I got mad love for Nick. And a lot of love for Nate Schott. They both have showed me love in the past week whenever the eavesdrop came out on their streams publicly and stuff. Damn. So I don't really have, I just don't want to get into it.

I think at the end of the day, they're both in a happier place now. Nick apparently is getting, taken care of a lot at Faze. And, uh, and Nate is, you know, Nate's doing his thing at 100 thieves. It seems like the content is going really well. So I, whatever.

At the end of the day, I think maybe it's just two people. They don't really talk anymore. Who knows if they, who knows how much they don't like each other or how, uh, you know. I know Nick does not fuck with him. Right. Based on what he said publicly. But let's just, I mean, at the end of the day that, that shit is, For me, that situation just happened.

I don't think, you know, people are roasting Natechot about shit. People are roasting Nick about shit. And I think that's a situation where, you know, I don't know the behind the scenes of it. And I don't really want to know because. I kind of know the behind the scenes of it. You do? It's basically just business stuff. Yeah.

Like, I mean, Nick has said it on a stream, too, that it was like promises. that weren't kept. And once investors and shit got involved, then he kind of got pushed out of the... And he just felt he was... I guess did dirty. Yeah. Which you hate to fucking see because I was two friends

that, like, sort of made 100 thieves together, really brought it off its feet together. And then just one business move. It's like... One business move, yeah. Like, you really... I don't understand how people can't save that. Like, how can't Nate be like,

no, we can make this work? Like, trust me, this is how it works. You're going to get your money or whatever the fuck. Yeah. Like, we can make this work. Instead of it always just being like, it seems like someone always makes that decision to where it's like, sorry, man, but you're going to kind of get fucked.

Yeah. And I don't know if that's the decision Nate had to make, but I just hate seeing two friends who, like, really built something. And then because of, like, one business decision, like, I can kind of tell. Damn, you're going to fuck me over that hard on a business decision. Dude, it's so easy to tell. Like...

Now we can't be friends. It's so easy to tell when people have issues with each other. Like, not easy, but, like, whenever people were wondering if Nate shot in Hex didn't fuck with each other. Like it's very easy. Like all you have to do is look to see when the last time they talked to each other publicly was. And if it wasn't recently, something's probably up.

Like, it's as easy as that. That's why I was shocked that people didn't understand that Jay and Hex had beef. Because that's just been over a year now. There was a time where I think, I don't, I don't know if I'm talking out of line. But I think, I think banks and temper weren't really fucking with each other for a, for a brief moment there because they weren't time ago yeah yeah they weren't talking to each other and now now it's like they're in videos and shit all the time together so i'm sure they're cool but it's like pretty obvious like i could tell they played nick and nick and nade played blackout

one day together and anybody who watched that stream you could there was you could kind of tell like something was up at first i thought they were just being like they were just being pals and just like joking around and just like roasting each other a little bit but the more i'm I watched, I was like, damn, I don't think, I think there's something deeper here. Wait, what was it? They played black, whenever Blackout first came out. Uh-huh. They played together.

Who? Nate and Nick. Oh, I did. And it was like, kind of like, it was kind of like weird. Yeah. It's like, I don't know what's really, like, they like brought up money and shit at one time. It was like. Yeah.

Yeah. It's something's weird. Like, what's going on here? That whole thing could be just clash of personalities as well. And maybe they realize like this. It's not going to work between us. I bet you it is. I bet you it is clash of personalities because, you know, I feel like they both have pretty heavy personalities.

You know what I mean? Like Nick, Nick Merck's is like all love all the time, but you can tell there's some gears of war still in there. You know what I mean? Like there's some shit still going on behind or under that hat of his. And the same with Nate is like, Nate, Nate's still got a little bit of S&D, you know,

like, you can tell, like, he's trying to, he's trying to work the system a little bit. You can tell. He's trying to, he's trying to find the strats

and get the bomb played and all that shit. So it kind of like, you can tell. I feel like, I feel like there's a lot of people in e-sports where if you went into business with them, it wouldn't work out. Which is why I don't ever really want to do that shit.

Which is kind of sad. Yeah. I feel like it can be done. Yeah. But there's just, it can be done, but the people that are trying to be so successful in esports, their priorities are being successful in esports, not having good relationships or furthering esports or furthering their. Yeah, that's so true.

And that's an issue. It's about their success in esports. That is an issue. But I'm down if you are. What? get some to go get some drinks and drink drink drink tonight

I am not drinking tonight do you want to go like drinking tonight no let's watch the drink tomorrow night I'm not doing shit I got a stream actually let's watch the heather team tomorrow

um is there any final there's there's a decision coming up with an optic uh Uh, fingers crossed. Fingers crossed.

I don't know anything. So don't ask me on Twitter. Don't ask me on streams because I don't know anything. I know a little bit. You can ask me. I'm not going to respond. But fingers crossed. Everything works out the best that it could possibly work out and everyone's happy.

Fingers cross that, um, regardless, everyone makes the best out of the best out of the situation and I think it's safe to say us as a content team are still going to be willing to work together and do some shit. You guys will see, you guys will

see more of that in the near future. Congratulations to Nick, or to Aaron and Bowes. Congratulations. Selling out. Yeah. Selling out Rich and Lonely in like four hours or something like that. Congrats to them. It's crazy. BTH merch

coming soon. TSTH merch. soon. And all right. Until the next one. Pitch. What's up, though? Do you have any outro music?