The Flycast - Shotzzy Gets Real about Call of Duty & CDL | The Flycast Ep. 133

Episode Date: January 17, 2025

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But yeah, and then obviously, like, because people's argument is like, oh, the scene, like, Call of Duty is not even doing anything for the scene to, like, make people playing this and that. And that is obviously the most, like, unfortunate circumstance. But I feel like people forget to, like, to what? Do we just give up? Like, do we just let Call of Duty just die? Welcome back to another episode of the Flycast episode. Who gives a fuck?

Who fucking? Episode 133, man. We got a special guest. You all are catching up to the damn original podcast. God damn, right. We're consistent with this. Besides me bailing.

We were supposed to do this yesterday, but I bailed. I just want to apologize. I know you guys were excited for that. Trust me. We were going to have bound on. I was. You were hype? I canceled?

No, it's you. Only because I needed to catch up on sleep. Literally. Yeah, no, I got horrible sleep. my weekend and just my life in general these days it's just been a little bit of a shit show man so i woke up yesterday just feeling like shit sending the i'm not showing up text i feel like shit um hex oh yeah i'll take it home hex gave me a call that afternoon yelling at me did he really oh shit so did i show up late today yeah well yeah you better fucking yell at you today

He yells at me every But that was my bad, man That was my bad, gosh You're used to it I think that's how he shows love I really do I think so too Because at the end he's just like

Alright man I'm going man And I'm like bro You were just fucking Does he ever yell at you like that? Yeah How no What?

Do you think he ever yelled at Seth Yeah You're the new skunk He yelled at Seth No no no I want to say yell But he definitely gives me advice Has he ever said

in a in a passive aggressive way that makes sense especially over your past couple weeks yeah

I'm sure you've gotten a few texts yeah yeah yeah it was about fucking time yeah but I was like shut the fuck now imagine imagine imagine

listen man we got the the savior of call of duty sitting with us today I mean we can talk about there's going to be a few things we talk about and we can talk about your

to be honest I need I need put up to date of what he has said Where he has said it Yeah me too I don't know if it's tweets I don't know if it's

I'll get the rundown on like What has been going on The past like Two months of the CDO so Okay Let's just start on it Yeah so let's just start From one of the league

Officially started which was what Let's just say When did shit start pissing you all I can't even remember when the league Our first match anyways Actually it was like the AG We played with AG. I think we played two matches.

There was that. And then we obviously, you know, we released AG and then we picked up Kyler. And then, yeah. And then it got to a point where I started to realize, like, dude, no one is playing the game. And what I mean by that, obviously, like, people are playing the game. But I mean, like, back when I joined the league and when I would play, let's just say, you know, streams and then I'd play for eights or at the time it was called tens because there was 55. but I would play like tens at least two times out of the week right like obviously there was more eight or 10 to go in on there but he got to a point where one ranks not even enjoyable because of the hackers

and then I started it went down the wrong hole oh god oh lord it went down the wrong hole and then yeah rank yeah ranks is obviously not playable because of the hackers and then I was like bro like I sat there I was like bro what is actually happening with like the pro scene in general because like bro we can't even get eight started there's like a selected few there's like five or six players every single time and then what do you know

we can't get two to get eight started and then like I'm playing in practice right and I started to question myself like okay teams are winning like one to two maps obviously the bottom team is not the top teams and I'm like these guys really don't give a fuck. Like this is you playing them.

This is, yeah, this is me playing them. Your team just like kind of destroying them that they might win a map or two. Because like not only is it correlating to the, or not as it's showing in screens, but it's actually like applying to outside of screams. Because usually like when that happens, when let's just say you're getting shit on,

like at least for me, I want to get better. Like in that, whether that be S&D8s, whether that be hopping on the toy and just playing in general, which people probably are doing. I might not just be seeing it behind the scenes. but I don't know. It's just frustrating it as a competitor because not only do I not see our pro players playing, like the scene is done as well.

And as a person that is in the league, I obviously want the scene to just grow and at least have people that are working towards the same goal as me. So that's kind of why I went on like the whole rant on a lot of things. And obviously I started coming out personal shots, which that's on me. But, well, getting to your rant. Why do you say, what do you consider here? I don't want to see this yet.

I want to, because I swear everything is about to be fresh for me. What do you consider the scene dying outside? Like, when you say the scenes dying, what do you mean by that? When I see scene dying, I'm literally specifically talking about the pro scene. Like, the pro players, not streaming, not playing eights, not. No content. No content. Like literally, yeah, those like three main categories.

And obviously you have people like Tommy. I don't want to miss names. But they don't. Yeah, I don't want to, yeah, I don't want to miss it. Because, yeah, exactly. They're not like part of the pro. Just from the pro players. Yeah, the pro players, yeah, yeah.

There is a responsibility that you feel. They might not feel, the pro players might not feel that it's their responsibly. Responsive. I have been visiting line in, I might be Lisbon. The pro players don't feel like. They're not in. this for content. They don't get 6,000 viewers like you.

They'll, like, what's the point of them streaming? And it's frustrating to every single offseason. And, like, in the back of my head, I know why it's happening. Like, they're like, oh, my God. I'm only getting paid this. But, like, these teams are low-key dog shit. How is this guy getting this? And I'm thinking to myself, like, it's not even about how good you are, brother.

It's literally just, look at our scene, dude. what are you providing for the scene that that makes you deserve to get what you should get? I feel like I've been frustrated about it for a long, long, long time. Like damn near seven years at this point because I think pro players think that they deserve to get paid based on how good they are. Yes, yes.

And they... And they... And you don't. You deserve to get paid based on how much value you bring. So how much value you bring is a case-by-case-dependent. I mean, we are blessed in this situation. Thieves is blessed.

Faze is blessed because we can provide more value because, or we expect more value out of the players because we put them in things besides just the matches. And so, I don't know. And if you're funded, if some teams are funded by like an infinite money glitch. and any team. I don't know all the teams, but some teams apparently are. And so the only value that they see in their players is being able to win.

And so they're willing to burn money. Literally gasoline on a fire, on the breaking bad fucking pallet of money and light the match. And in order to win a few games, because that's where they get the. value out of it because it's like play money yeah they they have so much money to where it's not even it's not about the scene it's not about even the future of the org right they just have so much money it's they're like playing right with this shit and it's just like i don't i don't i don't it blows my i feel like i'm doing what like the org loki wants to do but they're not because they obviously don't really give it fuck what do you mean the org like uh in terms of like

like, like, the organizations that are in the studio, they obviously want players to, to, like, basically. They want their players to be doing. They want to have value. Like, they want to obviously, like, let's just say, I don't even want to bring a different, like a random player, but like, let's just say in a world where, like, he starts doing streaming, content, this and that. Like, regardless of the fact that he blows up or not, I feel like Orgs want deep down, like, all right, if I do sell this guy, like, I want to make this much, if that makes sense. Instead of just like, all right, let's just drop him and they get a different player. They're thinking about selling the players as a means of making money. Exactly.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, that's fucking wild. What do you think other players, I mean, we've pretty much talked about it, but what do you think other players should be doing? What's, and you've kind of already said, but like, what's pissing you off about them? What should they be doing? Because their argument is they're not. the Shotsie though they don't get that many views

they don't for sure I think I think people have to literally just turn on the stream and do whatever they think is best like obviously whenever you stream you want to have fun you don't want to you know think it's a 9 to 5

and stuff like that just do whatever you truly think is fun for that stream and whether that be interact with Chapmore or be have an actual personality because there are people that literally stream that, I mean, they just play.

They literally just game, which, like, obviously, if that's what they want to do, then that's what they want to do. But I feel like RC needs, like, I mean, dude, you go to the Black Opsic category right now. It's literally the same thing as Halo. It's, like, 6K viewers. And I'm just like, dude, like, it's just insane. It's going down the same path as Halo. I swear, I literally, this is exactly what happened to Halo.

Is that why you're so passionate about it? Yeah, because, yeah, because, Literally, a Halo is all I had. As a Halo pro, that's all I had. And then when I see it die and then I get told there's only, there's only one more event going into, what, 2018, Dreamback Atlanta. I was like, damn, so what is it after this? I mean, if there wasn't formal renegade bound and legend playing in the Halo this upcoming season,

no one would give a shit. Yeah, yeah. Like lucid streams, I think trippy streams, that's really about it. If you take these four optic members off, like, no one would give a shit about it. Halo's in a very unfortunate spot. Like, whenever I'm... If there was no havoc,

whatever motherfuckers are watching. Whenever I'm pitching these tournaments and stuff, like I usually try to grab a clump of people from each scene and put them in something. And I always look for Halo because companies want that. They want people from different scenes. And so I... If it's a console game where you use a controller,

I always think of the controller games, which is Cod, Apex, and, uh, Halo. And there are no Halo content creators. There's none. There are damn near... There's one or two of them. Yeah, APG's one of them. Mint Blitz.

Mint Blitz, yeah. Well, APG's a fucking pro. I'm saying the only, the only content, the only people are pros. I think there's literally two. Uber Nick. Uber Nick. And Mint Blitz.

Yeah. And then there's, uh, uh, what's the enchilada girl? Lady Lady Yeah So there's like Very very very very few But it's in

And I'm slowly starting to see that with fucking cod Yeah Like T-Dog is holding on T-Dog's making fucking a decent amount of viewership But like other than that It's cult streaming Teadag making YouTube videos Col apathy and slack

And everyone else is fucking gone Everyone like It's cold apathy slacked parasite at 3 a.m. Yeah. And that's about all you get. Even the sniper, even the snipers,

like scope is like the only one sniping. I don't know. I understand what you're saying. Yeah. And obviously, like, because people's argument is like, oh, the scene,

like, Call of Duty is not even doing anything for the scene to, like, make people playing this and that. And that is obviously the most, like, unfortunate circumstance. But I feel like people

forget to, like, to what? Do we just give up? Like, do we just let Call of Duty just die and to me it's like as a competitor as pro players like what content can we make obviously outside of rank play and this and that and obviously what people enjoy is the competitive nature of cod itself so like why don't we get s and e8s going and and hb a to go and and stuff like that

because people at the end of the day people love that people that truly love cod love that competitive stuff and i swear ever since i i said that believe it or not like there's been eights every single day and like it's cool to see that because like after me ranting and all this stuff like there's actually people playing now and like I'm like damn that's all it took like yeah so even under the pros there's people like zinny fatty and j lito that are like doing GBs and shit now yeah so I guess there's sort of been some sort of spark I mean we'll see see how long that lasts yeah because yeah it's usually like that we're like Because they'll come back for a few weeks,

and then someone will stop kind of playing, and then the season starts, their team's not doing as good, so then they get locked in on scrimms, and then they stop streaming. Also, sometimes probably if you're like a shittier team and your records 2 and 8, you maybe not want to start the stream

and see people in your chat saying, like, damn, optic rocked your shit. Pussy. And it actually, it actually does happen. Well, that's the difference between, like, I feel like,

me and my team compared to others is where like I feel like a lot of people think a lot of people look at the community stuff and like will think what the community truly thinks whether that be like creating a narrative right let's just say oh this person needs to get dropped and then like that team seeing that and they're like wait a minute like are they low key right and then they start to like think that you know what I'm saying like whereas if us like we don't give a fuck what other people say like at the end of the day we're competitors we know what needs to be done to win and that should be the mindset. We should only care of what our teammates say.

And I feel like I've always been like that. So yeah, but I think that like other teams probably are like don't really think like that. I don't know. What, um, did you get any, uh, what, did you get any backlash after? Because I feel like you went on a, you went on a, on a rant, I guess, saying all these things.

And I think people misinterpreted what you were saying. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Should we go to the, should we bring it all up? All right. Because I haven't, I haven't seen this stuff. Right here, yeah. People, I mean, people know my personality, bro. Like, right here, this is where, I think this is where, where did it start?

Start clapping back of people. Honestly, honestly, it started was in. This is my troll mood, though. This is one, this is my troll mood. Zend, Lokey loves this shit. He loves getting roasted. Interactions around his name. He doesn't give a phone.

Wait, so click on. Zins click on Come On, like that, yeah, yeah, and then go up. I think now has, and then it has like, Zinni has zero. And they forgot to throw me up here. I was going to say, they forgot 09-09. And then if you back up, right? And then, like, yeah, he just says, come on and the back of you more. Zinian never even said this to me, but, like, I was kind of just using his engagement for you.

Yeah. Remember that one time you asked how much one of my rings would cost? Now I know why. He's never asked that at all. Never asked up. He's never asked that. I don't think he entertained it. That's so funny.

So is this where it started? Yeah. At dog shit teams, you have to play for the win to fucking win. Yeah, so like this is where... You just start getting pissed off at how people are playing. Yeah. At this point, I'm practicing every week, and I'm starting to realize the trend here. I'm trying to realize that when people are losing a map or two, they give the fuck up.

And as a competitor, like, I'm literally... At that point, I'm getting fake practice. Oh, you're saying in scrims. Yes, I'm saying in practice. At that point, like, I am not learning anything, truly. I played against, or we haven't even played against L.A. Thes in a while. That's, like, the one team that, like, we would actually learn stuff in this and that. But other than that, believe it or not, like, there's not, and I know you could say,

oh, they just lost to Carolina, which, I mean, shout out to them. But I guess before that moment, we didn't really learn, like, anything in practice, truly. So, I mean, I can say, what, can you just tell by, like, the routes that they're taking? I can literally just tell by the way that they're playing in general. Like, whether, and we don't even have to win. Like, and you instantly know, you're like, this motherfucker's not even trying. Because I can tell that in Halo sometimes. Like, if I'm up in the series, like, 8-0.

And, like, at that point, like, status quo used to be an example. Flame sword, enable assault. Those motherfuckers would stay getting shit on online. And once you go up, like, 60, 70, you're like, these dudes. These aren't even try anymore. You just see them making dumb plays. And it does. It just kind of like pisses you off.

Like, sometimes we even be like, all right, we're done playing you guys. You guys are wasting our time. That's almost how I like I feel like. But like, obviously I'm not going to do that

because I want to play. But online hook is the greatest of all time. Wait until then. I wish I was wrong. Yeah, true. I don't know. I got this weird glitch where I got paid 300,000.

I don't know. But that wasn't that an online tournament? Yeah, but it was, but it just trolls. Like, obviously, like, obviously I'm not serious. Yeah, he was talking about online, and then you link the online. So it's like, it's like I get it.

But you also like proved his point. Yeah, it's literally, dude. This is our troll. And then like, here is where, uh, yeah, keep going up. Where did I go? Where did I go crazy? Oh, yeah. So I'm watching Tommy stream, right?

So I'm watching Tommy's stream. And, okay. the breakoff stuff this was like this was when actually you know what now that I'm thinking about it what started it was me wanting to stream streams so obviously I hit on my team saying like yo like are you guys okay with this like

I kind of run it down like what would be happening blah blah and they're like oh yeah of course like as long as we have new communication they can't hear us like we don't mind oh they are bad why did why did that thought spark that you wanted because it's always because of the scene literally because of the scene you just the scene's fucking dead

is literally dying because all right think about it this nick right so before eight started like how it's happening now imagine me right uh so i'd trim from one to seven right come home at like 730 stream at eight right at eight i would stream and i would play rank play and once i'm playing rank play i'm playing it's every hacker every single time and i'm like okay well damn there's no eights there's no rank play what the fuck do i had like what can i stream and then i literally stream one v1 wagers two v two wagers with my friends which the scene loved but but But I'm like, damn, like, I can't really stream anything. There's no AIDS.

There's no nothing. So I'm like, all right, I had to stream. I had to stream streams if my teams are done. And, I mean, yeah, that's kind of what, like, started doing. Let me play devil's advocate. Yeah. Because some people have said, you're only streaming because of the money. Yeah.

And it actually benefits you for the money. You'll get 6,000 viewers. You know, you run some ads. You're making good fucking money. Either that or, like, the clout from it, or everyone gets to watch shots he shitting on kids or shitting on these teams. That's why he wants to stream.

But you're saying, what would be your response to that? My response to that is that I'm getting bread regardless of the fact, right? I'm getting paid. You don't need that ad money. Exactly. This is me getting paid, obviously, way more,

but like, it's not even about that, dude. If it was about that, I would have been streaming with Seth on the team. What? You know what I'm saying? I mean, how much more? I mean,

I'm probably getting paid, like, I already told him. Yeah, like, how much did you make the best of that? I said, I said,

50k a month on Twitch without even doing this. So obviously I'm getting like a bit more but it's having about that like I put it like this Nick I am streaming regardless after my uh uh scrims that makes sense yeah so like me doing this is just no

like realizing what the fuck's happening with the scene and realizing like holy shit like this shit is this shit is dead like do you feel like the casuals are starting to just not even give a fuck about about the teams Like people care when Optic, LA Thieves, and Phase Play.

Yeah. But besides that, it's like, are you realizing people? To an extent, yeah. If we're not playing like a good team, they probably, I mean, they're probably like watching it, but they're probably not as interesting. And would you like to see even like, does any other team stream the scrims? No, no, no. You guys are the only one. Yeah.

So would you like to see other teams stream those scrimms? I would like to, yes, personally. But would you also take advantage of that. It would be like, oh, no, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, you guys. No, because like I think unless I think what they're doing is good. Because people might be doing it to you. Oh, for sure. This is like, this is my idea behind the whole streaming scrims, right?

Like, I'll truly say what I think other teams do. So put it like this. Do I think people are watching my individual POV trying to learn things? Yes. Do I think that they are studying our team things? No. And the reason why I think that is because I think pros are lazy that actually go out of the way and study the way that like specific teams do this and that.

They might, even if they do do that, they might copy and paste it. Word of Crimson, he called it like the, I figure out what word he called it, but like Porter would basically say just copy, paste it, but in reality, like, it's not as easy as just copy and pasting, like, someone idea of how to play a specific hill.

Because at the end of the day, like, you don't know the reasoning behind it and this and that. When you guys scrim, JPM's in the lobby, right? Yeah, yeah. in Codcaster and the other team's coaches in the lobby in Codcaster too. So you're going to learn from outside looking in. It seems like you would learn 30 times more about the game because your coaches are in Codcaster.

Exactly. So that's my point. In Codcaster can JPC the other team as well? The whole map. The whole time. And that team can see our team. So my idea. Why doesn't he just come in the Discord?

They're pushing left. No, that is. Well, the thing is that like Even last year, right? Like my team You can just see Every breakoff Yeah, so why

And you can record it Like JP records it Like you work I'm assuming every team So streaming it You're not More info is already being given to the coaches Streaming it's not even fucking

It's not even It's not even That's what I'm saying That's why it doesn't make sense For the other teams To tweak the way they tweet Okay see that makes sense That's why I already know what's already

happening though. Like I already know that if they get slammed, they care with the community things rather than like sometimes their team. I already know that. Right. That's why like it pisses me off because like as a person that knows how to win and has like a specific mental you're supposed to have to win, the fact that these guys care what anyone else besides what their teammates think is bizarre to me. A lot of these motherfuckers won't scrim because they don't want to see in chat. Oh, you guys are I also think you're... I also think if you're... If everyone's watching their POV or optics in fucking Kleenex's chat,

like he might be a little nervous or something. Like, yo, all of optics in your chat, not just like calling out Kleenex. I don't even know. Just anyone. Oh, shit. All of optics in here watching us struggle against the Falcons or something. I think they don't want that publicized.

As someone who I've said it for a few years now, I genuinely don't care at all. about call of duty and it's it hurts my heart to say it but if it's not you guys if it's not you guys i don't watch anymore and i don't i don't watch i i maybe we'll tune in to uh if if there's a if somebody's having like a crazy road i the first time the falcons win a match i'll probably be tuned into the game five because i'm going to be hype but other than that like if phase is playing fucking toronto i just don't care i don't care the issue is that none of these pro guys like understand that

and they they are and this right now is just a win. That's coming from someone who has been playing and watching Codd since I was fucking 11 and I and I just don't care anymore maybe it's because I gotten older but it's also a lot to do with the scene now but

I whenever so so when I tune in and watch your gameplay which is that probably happens to a lot of people I'm like what the fuck that is insane movement is no one is no one else playing like that and then I learned there are people that kind of try to, like, that do play that fast-paced role. So if I, if I was Hydra, if I was Snoopy, if I was Gwen, I would want to see what their

gameplay looks like, like on a week-to-week basis. If somebody's like, dude, you got to see what Snoopy did to the fucking, I don't know, to phase in scrimms this one time. He went on this crazy. And it's like, like, like, You're only able to see it in game. And in game, they only watch your POV for four seconds out of a minute and a half. And so, like, I don't know.

I think there's so much more advantage. It's not, when people talk about streaming scrimms, it's not how many people are going to sit there and watch your scrimms. Like, it's not that. It's how many, how much content can you just pump into the, back into the community? That is the reason the community exists in the first place. There's just so much downtime that when you aren't streaming streams, that like pros could be doing so much more.

I mean, obviously we're streaming. Like, that's the thing is that as pro players, the majority, like, the main thing is obviously what we should be doing is only prioritizing our practice and our, like, our matches and this and that and blah, blah, blah. But the fact of the reality of the circumstance that we're in, like, we have to do more for the scene. And I think that's the biggest thing is that no one realizing because, like, the people that are in the pro scene now, like, what was our main goal?

It's obviously become pro, right? But, like, how our scenario is right now, like, it can't just be like, obviously the top of the list should be like, all right, let's just fucking win, like, do whatever it takes a win. But take a step back and realize, yo, if we keep this up and, like, kind of just do what we're doing now, where is our scene going to be at in X amount of years? You know what I'm saying? Where gears of war went. Yeah, that's how you're looking at it. That's how I'm looking at it because I've been in a community like that. Like I've been in Halo and look what happened to that.

Like you said, gears. We weren't rivals with gears Halo had no personalities Yeah Besides Ninja Look what happened in Ninja Now we sort of got

Formal and lucid But yeah I mean You sort of see And I don't know I do struggle with Like is it the personalities Even if Ninja kept playing Halo Would it have helped that much

I'm still unsure I don't think it's the personality Yeah I think it's just the content I think it's about Storylines are a big aspect But you can't force storylines So why even talk about it?

Like, I don't know I mean I think Right now, Call of Duty is just Like banking on Zuma and Seth Like to just carry everything Like imagine

Tommy and Seth Like it's just they're just What would there be? What would the scene be? Imagine Tommy is like I'm gonna just go GTA full time and Seth is like, I'm going to go content full-time, like not really worried about the Cod,

and they both blew up elsewhere, did what Ninja did, blew up somewhere that wasn't Cod, where would Cod be right now? It would- Any Bose and you, watch party. Oh, that's true. Getting 6,000 viewers.

But imagine that, imagine knowing that, right? Like, imagine knowing that and, like, not doing anything. That's why, like, it just triggers me, bro. I feel like... I just know the pro players. don't feel it's their responsibility. I know.

But like, it's just so annoying because I know they think that as well. But like it has to be because like who else is going to say this? I've seen it on a first hand basis there were Gears pros in 2019,

2018 that were making more money than a lot of the people, a lot of the content creators that work here now. And I wonder what they're doing now. Like, like Gears did not last. And yes, I know.

So it's how Kenny Bounce. And I know it's because, I don't mean, I don't know if Kenny was. I mean, kid is a fucking man. He came to my, he came into my chat for a few weeks ago. But, but, and I know the developer had a lot to do with gears dying, but also, the developer had a lot to do with gears staying alive. Like, I don't, I don't know. And the same thing's happening with, dude, imagine if HCS was like, hey, we're not going to fund it.

We're not going to fund HCS for next year. will uh but you guys can do grassroots if you want to what would happen a little die yeah completely and it's just and it's a fucking scary place to be man there's not enough people there's not enough there's not enough there's not enough people that are like i don't know what i'm going to watch if cod is not around like there's not enough people like that yeah to keep the to keep caught alive you have to keep them entertained yep straight up and that's what you know your boy's trying to do but saving calls of duty.

Yeah, but then you started taking personal shots and shit. Yeah, that was kind of just me, like, I was just really... So what else did we got here? I swear... I have not seen it. I swear that...

I swear that was just, like, the passionist of me. Like, I don't... Like, I didn't, like... Players getting payment cuts every year and wonder why fucking clowns? That's insane coming from you. Most of y'all don't even do shit.

Right there in that moment, I gave no fucks. Literally. Most y'all guys don't do shit besides collect the check. Clowns. Clowns, fucking clowns. I know they got to tell you looking at that shit.

Aates don't help this. Well, coming from you, I feel like if Shotsy, like if Draza said some shit like this, people would just roll their eyes. But if Shotsie's saying some shit like this, you're like, God damn. Eights don't help this and that. S&D. 8's won me champs

in every tournament I have ever won. Another excuse of not playing the game, you lazy fucks. This is when no one's playing eights, but people are actually playing out so. Oh, so you saved the scene? For right now, I guess. Is all this just built up?

You're like, the scene's fucking dying. Where is everyone at? And then one day you just snapped. Like, before this, days before this, are you pacing around your bathroom, like mumbling under your breath to your girl? You took your first drink. Days before this?

Or actually, you know what? Was this your first drink of alcohol? Mats. Weeks before this, I'm just thinking to myself, like, pro, like, I'm not. just thinking like, okay, this game is fucking amazing. I truly love this game. The way it feels.

They like the game. Like, what is happening, bro? Like, no one's playing eight. It's like, is there something that I'm missing, bro? And obviously, like, the hackers and this and that. But, bro, if your team is, like, mid as fuck, you're not, like, playing the game? Like, am I driven? I have been on the side of having a shit team. Like, I remember when it was, like, we would play the game.

But it does get very disheartening. And what's even crazier now is, they'll still. still get paid fucking good paychecks while getting fucking slammed yeah but when it was like me flame sword assault whatever fucking fourth we had and just that squad was we were just getting we were just when we play good teams just getting pounded then we'd make team changes do decent but then start getting pounded again and then native's talking shit to me and our team's all fucked up and we're losing scrimms like 10 to 2 and it does get I know the side of the side of losing does get

just so draining and it is hard to, I don't know, you just enter this like depressive depressive state. You're not even getting paid to play, but these guys are getting paid to play. So it's like you should be realistically, they should be showing up with the mindset of what I understand we're getting

shit on, but this is the fucking team. How is a team? Are we going to work together and become the best that we can fucking be? But I do understand the size of of once they just keep getting pounded. It is hard to like flip that mindset. You got beef with someone on your team. Like, why am I going to be on early when this motherfucker's sleeping in until this time? Yeah, but how often do you see the Vegas guys on?

Bro, they're on like literally every day. And they're the worst team in the game. So if like if the worst team is getting on and they're playing every day, they're playing like they've got something to prove, which is why I think. It's the paychecks, bro. The paychecks are fucking people up. That's what that's kind of why I said. Yeah, but those motherfuckers are probably getting paid.

That's kind of why I said like. The Vegas guys. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. I feel like a lot of people. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, I mean. Yeah, I don't mean. You probably.

Yeah, probably. I mean, shit, probably. I mean, fuck me, but that's kind of why I went on this rant, man. Because, like, at the end of the day, bro, like, I truly want the best for everyone. Obviously, I'm competing against them. So on the battlefield, I want to fucking slam them. But at the end of the day, bro, bro, Like, they all have families, they all have this and that, and like, I want the best for them.

Do you think it put a... Sorry. No, you're good. God, dude, I just can't go one pod without interrupting. Do you feel like it put a target on your back? Yeah, in a way, yeah. From, like, specific players, like, good players to where you'd actually be worried. Not worried, but, like...

What do you mean? I don't know. Do you think there's a target on your back? Like, for the community or the... Like, we got to beat this fucking kid. Oh, yeah, yeah, no, for sure. waiting to beat you so they can say some shit. 100%.

And you like that though? Oh, like we need that fucking fire. I like that because like I know I'm the one competitor, like the one person that can fucking handle that shit. To do it. There's only a certain amount of people that can handle it in this league. And I'm one of them.

I'm not going to say who the fuck the other people are, but yes, I don't mind that there's a quote unquote like target or whatever. God, you're so strong mentally. Have you ever had like a... You're so strong-willed. Have you ever? ever had a beef, I guess?

Beef? Not, not. A player that you really wanted to be? No, honestly. No. Or if they beat you, you're like, Fosses. You never had anything like that?

No, not really, to be honest. At least I don't think so. I never really look at it like that because, like, I feel like I'm just, I don't know, I just want to beat anyone. They might think otherwise, but, yeah. At the end of the day, I just want to win,

and that's all I really care about, to be honest. Yeah. Well, I think you've sparked some good for the community, man. I think you, I think it does, I really think it does take someone like you, like you're the face of call of duty right now. Yeah.

Do you realize that? I trust me, I know. No one else is doing anything the fucking, you are the faces of call of duty, and you sort of set out a call to action, at least in the pro scene, that like everyone's got to step some shit up or who knows what could happen with this shit.

And I feel like I've almost heard rumors before where like, I mean, I could just completely be making this up. I think I'm more so thinking about Halo to wear like the HCS or the CDL they're just losing money they might not do it next year and shit like that. I've heard that literally every year. I've heard that every year. Yeah. Yeah.

But it is going to take someone like you to gather, to rally the troops and step up the fucking scene. Because the thing is, is for my understanding, I could be wrong about this but I would assume that if the CDL goes away

then that means all that budget that the actual developer is putting into the CDL is going to go away. That doesn't mean that you're not allowed to play pro, but you have to make your own pro scene how we used to make your own pro scene, which is like you have to use the MLGs

or the UMGs or that thing. And in order to do that, there has to be viewership. The TSTs. Yeah, there has to be viewership. And so if the scene go, if the developer goes away, then

it's up to you to make your own scene. And at that point... Exactly, that's my point. Is that like, there's... Who's gonna watch, like, our scene, like, right now? Like, there's no one doing shit. Like, maybe if there's scump, formal, all the people that played back then, yeah.

But then we're actually becoming Halo. Then we're actually becoming... Then we're becoming Halo. At that point... I know how much Halo was getting paid. Trust me. Y'all want to get paid that shit? All right, run it.

You know what I'm saying? But like, damn. I know how much people are getting paid, bro. I just know, dude, they're just complacent. No, in God. Oh, and God. They're just being complacent. They're just being complacent.

They just think that, like, they have this weird thing where, like, they think they're going to get paid this forever. But in reality, like, brothers, we only have a couple of years. I'm 23. How much years do you think I have? Ideally, obviously, like, forever. But obviously, I know the, I know that's not realistic. And anything could happen tomorrow.

The old me would say you got to like 27, but now you could be 31, 32. I think, isn't Eco like 32? I probably won't play that. I probably play till like I'm literally 27. That's it. Not going on. And then what? I'm constantly.

Are you kidding me? These brand deals that I'm getting in, are you kidding? Are you kidding? What kind of, we can talk about it. That was actually one of the question. I go live. That was actually one of the questions someone sent in is after all of this. But I still love competing though.

So you play, you would say you plan on, and I feel like a lot of people say this. I'm only going to play until then, but what if, like, there's no way in Foremost Head he thought he'd be playing till now. Yeah. If you still have it by 27, do you keep playing, or do you try to just, like, go out on top? No, I don't know. No, yeah. Do you sort of have a plan for the future? No, I definitely depend on, like, where I'm at for sure in my competing.

Like, for example, like, let's just say my team's literally dog shit. There's no... Like top six, top A. Yeah. No chance of winning. Put it like this. If I know deep down, my team can't win and, like, I'm not nowhere near as invested, then that's when I'll quit. But I, yes, ideally I would want to go till for fucking...

What kind of content do you think you would? Any games that's popping during that time, for sure. I don't really know what's going to be popping in what? How many years of that? Four years? 2030. Jesus. Have you ever switched games and, like, dominated another game or was, like, really good at one?

Yeah. Because I know Hooke said he was... Apex. I feel like I'd be nasty. Oh, you're saying... Oh, my God. Yeah. What?

I thought you, your question was, have you ever switched games and dominated? Oh, no. And I was like... Yeah. Yeah. I know. I knew that. I knew that.

I knew it. You used to play... Halo. He used to play Halo, actually. Do you think... What about... Is it video games for, like, life because we just did a video.

Yeah, video games for life. About that. You were strongly agreed. Yeah, because, like, thinking about it. Like, let's say my kids, when they play games, I'm going to be playing with them. You know what I'm saying? So, like, I think I'll always be on the toy. Not, like, obviously, like, when I'm old, like, I won't be, like, nowhere is near, like,

on that shit every day, but I'll, like, video games have a special place in my app for sure. Like, you just love still getting on. You still get that, like, can you not wait to leave here? like go sit at your setup? I don't, I know exactly what a feeling you're talking about. I haven't had that feeling since 4-night. But the thing that drives me right now is just like my passion in terms of like getting

better and wanting to win. I feel like that's what's driving me right now. Why do people, why do I keep seeing people talk about you and a, like you roasting people about houses? So wait, I'm actually curious on this and I saw it. I saw a Reddit post that and it was like shots he finally gets his or something. and then everybody was like, yeah, but how many houses does he own? Maybe I was tweaking, but I was going on like, this is whenever I was tweaking on stream or whatever.

But I basically said that like any pro player that has been in the scene for more than five years, like I feel like it's embarrassing that they don't have an house. And is that like, am I tripping off that? Because of like. Not necessarily. Not necessarily true. But most pro players move all the time. So even then, even then, okay, even then.

But let's say you do move. Let's just say you're buying it for like investing reasons. Yeah. Because at the end of the day, you want an asset, right? You want an asset for your future. And then, yeah, you could move, right? Whether you do move or you don't. But don't you just rent that out and now you're having, you know, that mortgage.

Now if they were responsible and very mature, sure they could do that. But like, that involves no and shit. Like even me, I'm selling. my house right now due to complications between me and someone else but like i'm selling my house right now and even just like the paperwork with that or if we were to have like get tenants to live in it like rent it out like it is complicated and i just can't see a dumb young pro gamer like screaming doing it playing eight doing all that while maintaining like a house and shit it does complicate things I would say it's definitely

If you got yourself a little shorthy You're a pro player You don't like this You don't want to be You don't give a fuck about like the city life Or going out and shit like that Like maybe go out once in a while with your girl So you weren't bragging about how many houses you own

Oh hell no Okay that's what that's what I kept reading Is how many houses does he own Get a fucking house and grow up I was just saying that like bro These pro like they're just spending their paycheck Yeah they're buying Gucci shoes I just try giving them a reality check

Like, yo, lock the fuck in, bro. This scene, not only is a dying, but like, yo ass is about to fucking go out with no damn ass at. No, houses, houses is definitely the wave. You don't want, you don't want them to be MC Hammer. Who's that? You don't know who that is. Yeah, I don't know that. He's like, what was he?

Amc. Amher. Are I tweaking for that? No, no. I wouldn't say. A lot of my people have been saying, like, even my coach things I was thinking, but like, I don't know if you were tweaking. I'm still, I'm still standing on business.

Because like, let's just say, like, I'm going to pull up the calculator, low key. Let's just say a minimum average. So the CDO has been around for 2020, right? 2020. Yeah. Let's say you've been in a lady for five years, right? And let's just say you, for whatever reason, and the only beginning to pay it to 5K out to five years, right?

5K times 12, 24, 36, 48, 60 times 60. Damn. 300,000 in those five years. But that's just, that's just. that's just your salary. That's not including what, your tournament winnings, this and that. So 300,000 and five years, like... I mean, I don't think you're tweaking because I think if I could go back to my 23-year-old self

and give him advice, it would all be financial advice. All of it. So I don't think you're tweaking. No. But it's actually what they, a motherfucker on each org should be like trying to tell their players. Listen, this doesn't last forever. Like, don't be blown this money. Like, like everyone, every, especially optic fans, they all praise big timer for how smart he is because he invested his money that he made from Cod.

And that's basically what you're saying it, but you just said it in a, in a tweakable way. You get a fucking crib, you broke, bitches. There's a lot of people. And even now, I'm just blowing, like, the money I'm throwing was thrown into the house, I at least know at the end of five years or something, like all that money comes back to me. or at least like a majority or something or maybe even make a profit off of it i'm thinking like taxes and shit yeah but you know living in an apartment you're just throwing fucking money away but i do understand it is different for like some cdl players because you'll see people move somewhere for five months and then they join another team move there live here for a year join another team so

yeah it is a little more difficult but i do definitely think a lot of call of duty pros that been in the scene for a while, they were getting paid. Probably not now what they once were. Also, I was on a hundred. I'm pretty sure I was on a hundred, either 30 grand or 60 grand in my first year. And, bro, I didn't play a competitive HB, R point. That's insane.

Until I fucking joined the league. So imagine. You hear a little bit of a different story. Imagine, but imagine that people have been in the scene and that have like, that's still insane to me. still played then to now. I know how much they're getting. Then at Octane, well, Octane's not a good example because he actually, I think, does have a

house and he does well with his money. But no, I get it, man. There definitely should be some financial advice. A really important question I wanted to ask. Kind of wanted to start off the stream with this. Is it true? You sleep with your ass cheap. out of your boxers.

Wade. Yes. That's facts. Because what the fuck are you talking about? No, so I hear me out. So like, listen, I've had it like, so I slept in my boxers every other year, right, before this.

Like, just normal, right? Normal boxer. And then, like, yeah, normal boxer's sleep. And then, like, I don't know, last year, they were just like, I'd randomly just wake up and, like, my asheeks were out. I'm like, what the fuck?

Like, and then I started to realize, like, I was doing it unintentionally. And, like, it was just cozy. It was cozy. You would pull your pants, your boxers down. No, no, no, no. So, like, the strap is, like, right here, right? So, like, the front part is on. But then, like, it's just, like, it's just, like.

You're just like. Just showing your ass. Like, you're. Yeah. Okay. So you, do you sleep on your side? Oh, yeah. So you'd be like this.

And then your ass is, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Audio listeners, Nick's showing his ass right now. My ass sheets are out right now. So you just leave that. But this is your bare fucking ass.

What about, do you have covers over them still? Yeah. No, I have covers over them. No, I have covers over them. Dude, it's weird because you said it and I was like, that's weird. That's so weird. But then I started thinking about it and I was like, I think I might have, have I done that before?

I might try. I want to take a nap when I get home because I slept like, it's crazy. I'm telling you. There's something about it. And I was curious because I might record it. I was curious because I was like, dude, do anyone, does anyone else do this? Like, I'm just going to say it hoping that like people say, yeah, yeah, same, bro.

I, no one said same. I've never heard that in my entire life. No one said same. No one said like, yeah, yeah, same. Because usually when I say like some crazy shit, they're like, yo, I do that too. But like people were saying like, people were like, what the fuck? So that was that, like you woke up and it was just like that? It was a consistent thing for like a couple months.

and I sure realize I literally do it every day. So yeah, and I still do it to this day. But like, no, days I don't do it and then days I do. I don't know. It's kind of weird. But it's just like a weird habit that I have that I do know. It's just funny. If it's comfy, it's comfy.

I find it hilarious because like it's just funny, dude. It's crazy, man. Let me just ask a few questions. I always tweet like, yo, we got a guess if you guys have some questions. But we, I never, ever end up asking the question. I look at them, but then like by the time, we're just done talking naturally. It's like already time to go.

So I don't want to like stop it, bring up questions. But we'll just for the fans, we'll bring him into the fly cast, man. It's like they're the fly on the wall, man. They can speak to. Fuck did I just say. Anyways, this guy said, what is the most nervous or anxious you've ever been at an event? When were you tweaking? I'm trying to think.

I'd probably say like, yeah because Halo Halo didn't have like a big scene I'll be honest like when I when I joined Halo like I was not nervous at all because like my first event UGC St. Louis and bro that shit was literally like

it's like it was high school bro yeah Cod is way more like nerve I'd honestly say my first event for sure I'd be lying I'd be lying if I didn't say my first cut of it which was Minnesota 2020

there no I think I might have been there it was whenever people were doing walkouts and shit. You had sad going like this. I think I might have went with mutineers. Oh yeah? Yeah, yeah, you probably did. I think I did go with me. I think you did go. Because I had to do like a photo shooting shit.

Yeah. And then I always still just cracked out in my hotel. They didn't see me the entire time. I was just sleeping in my hotel. Holy shit. Um, but okay, first event, how did you play that event? I got slam, but I'm not gonna lie. I blame my teammates, but it's not good though.

I'll take that one on the chin. I'll take that one. You don't think the nervous? Shit. Oh, is that when that's when Seth Informal world? Because what happens of me,

bro, like at least back then I'd get nervous like, I wouldn't play fucking nervous, but the jitters.

It's just the jitters, right? And then like, that shit all goes away on the game starts, literally. But back then, like,

I promised you, what was worse was like, not only is in my fucking first event, but whenever I'm practicing and then Clay is telling me,

yo, take ATS off when I've literally been playing with it for fucking months. Brother, I literally looked like a fucking

AI. they might have spawned in with fucking they might as well spawned in with fucking uh one of the bot names fucking mark they might have spawned in with mark instead of shawtie i promise you because that was not shotsie that was fucking botsey oh my god is that that's the event where like set and madder screaming at y'all yeah but don't think they're good because i promise you like if i was on my 18 because i knew the meta i'm fucking the movement king i knew the meta a t s was fucking broken and yeah i guess what after that event everyone's using the 18 But then obviously sudden that shit gets GA, this and that.

Idiot. But yeah, whatever. It doesn't matter. Who went Chips out here? Wasn't Crim trying to tell you to like stop sliding and shit more? Yeah, that dumb ass. He told me to change my sense. Imagine that.

Imagine, yo, change your sense to 5-5. Yo, no ATS. I'm like, holy fucking shit. What else? But as like a young-in? What else? Play with the controller upside out? Yeah, got you.

Got you. As a young in though, were you like, nah, he might be right. That's Crim six his mother. Or were you like, no, I'm just a good ass team. I'm like, oh, yeah, yeah, I got you, bro. I got you. But nah, fuck that shit. Did you ever say I got you and didn't change anything?

I wish I didn't. No, I got to, guess what? It got to that point where I started doing that. Kyler gave me advice. He said, yo, listen to what they're saying, right? But obviously, like,

take what they're saying with a grain of salt. And like, at the end of the day, just play you and play comfortable. I swear to God, it was g-g-it-old since then. I swear to God. That's why I took the fuck out. That's why I tip Kyler.

Because, like, that moment right there, that hotel fucking, that hotel talk, I promised you that went a long way. That went a long way. A long fucking way. I promise you that. But yeah, obviously I fucking love Clay and Porter.

Okay. That's just me. Who's the most underrated player? Jacob Hale says. Who's the most underrated player that you've ever teamed with in Cod? Oh, that I've teamed with? Yeah. Underrated player.

You can say who you team with and maybe just in general who you think as well. Most of underrated player you've ever teamed with. I don't think I've ever teamed with an underpired player. Straight gods. Yeah. Yeah. I think of your team. Yeah, actually, thinking about any team you've ever got.

Crim Six, Clayster, Hooke. Gymnsex, Clayster, Hugh. Yoga or Yoda. Yoda. Yon-ha-kine. I don't think I really... Scum. I'm trying to think of, like, subs, maybe.

What subs have you? You play with Fellow on a... Fellow, yeah? I mean, yeah, you can give Tyler that. Yeah, I feel like he actually knows Cod pretty well. Yeah, to be honest. I'll probably say fellow. fellow ghosty general i mean the thing is that only team with them for like so like little

yeah i can't really say like those players though okay yeah probably dan actually yeah yeah probably dan literally yeah dan it literally is basically an advanced uavie not gonna lie but yeah okay last question what was your favorite game memory as a pro and what was your worst i guess like moment Favorite game. I guess just, yeah, game memory or just game moment. What was your favorite moment as a pro? What was your worst moment as a pro?

Woody Champs this most recent year with Optic. What was the worst moment of your cod? Worst moment, my cod career. It's a funny one. Not going to lie, it's not like, believe it or not, and like everyone can vouch to this, like all you guys in the room here, whenever I lose, it doesn't. really looked like I lost. Can you guys like to that? Yeah, you're pretty, you're pretty chill.

But that's because of like, I just, because for me, bro, I, whenever I practice, I know I put my art in that shit. And I, unless I play really, really individually bad, then I, myself will feel bad at myself. But

I feel like I've never really thought that because I know at the end of the day, I'm always playing for the wind. And I've never had like fucking shitters or whatever. But, but yeah, with that being said, this one is the funny one because like I don't really

like unless it's like champs or some shit but I can't really think of like a champs one I'll just say this one and Vanguard we're playing against I think it was London I'm pretty sure pretty sure it was against London and it was me Seth Dashie Illy and I was really really hungry

after this first map that we won right I'm doped up we won first map I told Paige Paige can you order that confit filet we're talking about mid series It's series. And let's just say we're up too well. We got reverse swept ever since I said that shit.

So, yeah, there's a new rule. There's a new rule in Opticamp. You're asking for food mid-series? You're asking Paige to get you chick-fil-a-order. Yeah. There's a new rule, though. Like, I can never ask for food ever again. You feel it like unlocked?

Like, did you feel so comfortable with the series? I was, I mean, bro, I was like, I was just hungry. You're fucking. I was dead ass just hungry. Wait, you said, this is when? What tournament is? This is online. Literally right here.

I will never forget it because I looked over at page. Hey, that chick filet. Because usually what would happen is that we'd win or lose and we'd have like food like 30 minutes after because we would have to wait to see what we actually wanted. But like it was one of those series where I thought we were just going to slam them and like the food was going to be there. But then yeah, that shouldn't happen. Yeah. I've never ever been in a series and been thinking of. Well, I mean, I usually never had an appetite.

Why? Why not? I never thought of food mid-buckin series. You never thought of food. That's funny. For 24 hours out of time. Yeah, that's like a funny loss. But other than that, I don't think I can really think of anything.

Well, all right, man. We wish you the best of luck of saving call of duty. I think it's all on your shoulders. So no pressure if it's dead in five years. It's all your fault. All on you. Yeah. Hopefully, you know, somehow some way to.

the scene fucking just revives itself I believe, man. We got some eights going. We got Zinny and Fadi streaming. The call duty scenes alive. Shotsie, thank you so much for joining us on the Flycast. Best of, y'all got matches this weekend? Yeah, Friday. Best of luck. That's the luck, man.

For your matches this weekend, man. And thanks for coming on. And if you lose, at least you've got a house. At least I get a house. At least you got a house. And all these brokies don't have houses. Matt, Craig, leave the outro music. Leto whiz, peace.