The Flycast - The Evolution of Music & Religion (The Flycast #012)

Episode Date: January 18, 2018

The Evolution of Music & Religion (The Flycast #012) by The Flycast

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Emblem. Emblem. I send them to the king. To the wind. Win. Welcome. To the flycast here on episode... Twelve.

Twelve. I was a 12. Yeah, I knew that. I was gonna say the 12. going to say to one this is this is this remember how we told you we were going to do setups no this they don't remember they don't remember yeah this is not the setup is what i was trying to say this is not the the setup that we were going for now i feel like i have to talk of the camera because it's more natural than swinging towards you and bumping knees with you and i'm bumping the wall

every time i turn like the camera can't even if i just look out my right eye i can't see the camera well um yeah so things uh for some reason i came back and the podcast room was completely different uh there's now a gears room and so i don't know what we're going to do about the optic podcast which we're recording tomorrow or i'm recording tomorrow who's on who's on it uh hex mike and bows i think so i'm not on it no okay so it's going to be bad we're not on it yeah yeah so they're going to verbal they're going to yeah actually uh the The last one that we were kind of worried about because heck was the first one without HX.

It was myself, you and snakebite. It did really well. Yeah, no. But we knew that. That was us. We knew that was going to happen.

If you leave an optic podcast up, I don't know, they're good. But our fans are weird. All right. You guys are weird. Like I can. Are you saying Optic fans or the Flycast fans?

Maybe it's the Flycast fans. Whoever like, Like, our last, me used snakebite. Like, it's pretty much the flycast and then snakebite. But even though Hex wasn't on it, they still, like, supported it. And then I just know, maybe not, but I feel like they're just going to talk shit about hex, Mike, and Bose being on the podcast. They're going to be like, Where's Maniac?

Maybe I'm just like. They'll definitely say, where's Big T? well that's they'll probably say what's big tea on this video a video they know no one else will be in they still ask where is big tea did you see how many people said where's big tea in that last video because we talked about that i was playing fortnight and someone in where was it i don't know someone in my stream just said like something about big tea i'm just like oh no someone said maniacs uh oh i think i was talking about like uploading a fortnight video from like my rebroadcast or something right they were like

maniacs to next big tea and i was like don't you ever say that dude never disrespect the god like that disrespect you were getting mad yeah i was pissed he even compared me to them that's funny um but yeah people after that people were kind of like because we uploaded the we uploaded the flycast. We've uploaded like three, four weeks straight. We're doing, we're kind of banging these shits out. Dude. Is it? Is this three or four? I think it's four. I think this is four weeks straight. Killing the game. Um, and so, uh, we did those and then we did the podcast with Bose and hex. And then we did the podcast with, um, snake bite. And I, and all, and all of these, Like I've started looking at the comments on all the flycasts and all of the podcasts and people are saying that maniac is a natural podcaster.

So I've heard. I didn't know that. When I see it, I'm like, I'm like, you know, finally I was the person sitting through. I mean, obviously you kind of went through it, I guess. But everybody was talking shit about you. And I'm just sitting there trying to back you up. And I'm going through all this. I went through it.

Poor you. Yeah. Like nobody thinks about me what I had to go through. Poor you. You had to. You had to try to help me out, back me up. Yeah. Everybody was saying,

hit, or maniac's only an optic because Hitch wants him to be. Because Hitch will put him on vision. So he talks about the CS team, stuff like that. But I'm like, nah, you guys don't get it.

You guys don't get it. Well, then now, those people. And then now everybody's gassing you up about your, about your content and your podcast abilities. And I'm sitting over here like, what am I?

Am I chopped liver? I'm on these flycasts too, you know. I'm on these optic podcasts. Yeah, I don't. I get it, but I don't get it. Like, I'm here. When it's happening now, like the people being, people are on my side right now. People are loving.

But I'm not, I'm not going to get used to it. Yeah. Put it that way. The first time you got used to it turned out pretty bad. Yeah. Well, I guess I can forgive them. Yeah for that I feel like everybody gets used to it

Because I disappointed myself I'm waiting for I'm that's That's what I'm saying about Roger Like it happens to everybody First Like what I mean I guess the only person

It never happened to Was probably like Nade Actually no people Oh what the hell What am I talking about People roasted Nate about Is like game

Like his cod Gameplay ability Like every day But like people rose scump For playing other games And not caring And his relationship People rose

Bose and Mike now people wrote and I think you were the only one people hadn't roasted yet until it got to that move really yeah since since the 60-50 move because I went through like I went through a solid six months I could do no wrong I was uploading every day I was doing vlogs vision was still new it was fresh in people's minds smooth comp was going well I wonder what these critics are doing true like all of a sudden everything is what's maniac doing what's flame doing what's hitch doing what are you doing like yeah why I don't know anyone successful that is worried about what someone else is doing damn quoted Twitter bio

podcasted podcasted somebody put it somebody make a graphic Nick's face holding up the trophy for formal and have it say whatever the fuck you just said because I already forgot. I mean, people, I mean, it's already like, it's already like a known, like quote kind of thing. Like, sure. Don't. Don't worry about you, man. Do you. Why?

Why? How? It doesn't even register in my brain how you're worried about like someone else. Damn. Now I'm pissed. Do you worry about what other people are doing if it's, motivating you and if it's making you want to be a better version of you. If it's entertainment

if it's you know inspiring motivating, whatever but like don't worry about it. If someone's not doing something it's yeah like how are you gonna I don't know it just doesn't

Sam and I have this conversation all the time because I compare she obviously she's trying to grind out her stream and she's doing really well you know as for a Twitch affiliate to have 140 subs like that's super good and she's grinding it out and she loves her like little you know like community and fan base but then she'll see her sandwiches her sandwiches and then she'll see these other streamers that are just taking the tops off and shaking their butts on stream and they're killing it like thousands of subs and

she's just like she's like so upset about it and I'm just I just want to tell her like look look like I do YouTube videos I make vlogs I don't click bait and I watch freaking the Jake Paul and the Logan Pauls of the world you know literally lied to their viewers. I was watching, I was watching the, I was looking at Fortnite stuff, and Drifter will literally Photoshop,

like he, he made a chest glow purple as if it was royalty. And he, with arrows pointing to it and it said, new discovered chests or new spots for chests on Fortnite. And the video was him just finding chests on Fortnite, like regular chests. I'm just like,

and he's literally lying to the viewers. Yeah, yeah. And the video had four million views, and nobody, he wasn't technically clickbait because he was finding chests where they normally weren't work. What are they normally, you know? It's click. But at the same time, like, I'm not sitting here and hating on Drifter. Like, he's doing his thing. I'm not hating on the Paul brothers except for obvious occasions.

I mean, you have to realize even if you hated on Drifter for making that video, that does absolutely nothing for you. It doesn't. Drifter can be like, damn, Hitch is hating on me. I'm not going to make another video ever again. Guess what? Hitch's life is still the same. It doesn't matter if Drifter's, if because of your hate on Drifter,

he could quit, but still your life is the exact same. So it does nothing for you. It doesn't change your life. It doesn't alter your life. You just see somebody doing what you do a different way and it happened to be more successful, but it's not the way that you want to do it

and it could be easier. I can make videos with, you know, breaking into the shower while Sam's taking a shower and get a clip and then cover up her private parts and have arrows pointing to her. Guess what I did to my girlfriend in all caps. And I'll do that. I get a girlfriend. That'll probably get 150 to 2,000 views. But I'm not going to do that because I don't want to do that because that's not this type of fan base that I want. And that's what I keep saying to her is like, do you want the fan base where you stand up and you shake your butt on stream? Or do you want people to like you as a person in your gameplay? And so, I mean, it has like it's, it's pros and cons. It's really easy. But I used to do that all the time. I used to, like, back in the day, I would make all these, like, competitive cod videos because that's where I came from or whatever, working for UMG.

And I would watch Keemstar make these, like, like, obviously the same shit he's doing now. And I were just, oh, I couldn't stand it. I would, like, freak out and hate on it. And then the first time I ever hung out with, uh, hex and nade shot, it was when I first got picked up for optic intel. they like were they were like I saw I was hanging out with them in person and Keemstar walked by

and Hex and Nate were both like The King of YouTube And they were like dapping him up and stuff It was the first time I'd ever met him And I was sitting over there like man I used to hate this guy But if two people that inspired me to get to where I am now Are like dapping him up Then obviously they kind of have some respect for his grind

Well they would never do that now What do you mean? Call King Star the King of You? Oh I wouldn't call him the king of YouTube But at the time he had he had gotten his channel shut down four different times and gotten a million subscribers within like four weeks every single time so that's why they were saying that but they would still i mean hex still not i don't know about respects but he still shows a recognition of kemstar

yeah i don't know what the word would be i don't think it'd be yeah not necessarily respect but like maybe like keemstar maybe it is really I feel like it's a different version of respect. I'm sure there's a word for what we're looking for in other languages. But like his, like his channel is original. Like he's been doing it forever. Like he kind of started.

I don't know. I don't know my like YouTube history and shit. But I assume he kind of like started the whole like news kind of like drum. The YouTube news. They're like yeah. YouTube news. Like he. Yeah.

Like he started it. It was like he's or he's definitely like that. Do you do you. The TMZ, yeah. Because there's like the TMZ of YouTube, which is like Keemstar. And then there's like probably the new, the regular news of YouTube, which is like probably the Philip DeFranco show. So it's like, I don't know. He's kind of, if he didn't do it, somebody else would.

One thing I like about Keem is I wouldn't, I wouldn't know this side of him unless he did it, which is sometimes he'll make like Twitter videos. Yeah. like genuine like shitting on just shitty people if that makes sense like he'll he'll express how he feels emotionally like publicly yeah he kind of there there are times where he's not a he's not afraid to like give his personal opinion like he's not just like a news guide baiting everyone like he'll like actually give his his take on yeah and there are times there are times where he will say something that I'm like damn I wish I could say that

you know like I'm in an organization where you're you there's a limit but he's what sponsored by G-fuel who doesn't give a heck fuck what you say and he's Keemstar so he has his own brand where he does whatever the hell he wants to do so I mean more props

to him I mean even like now it's at a point where I mean he's that's Keemstar like that you don't mess with him you don't even want to mess with him when other people go at him I'm just like you're so dumb why would you do that even when he was coming at us like the optic house i was still just like i'm not mad at him yeah it was all even when that situation happened i would we know like the behind the scenes kind of like yeah of how like we knew like we knew i don't know how

much i wanted to talk about yeah without getting into it i didn't think you were gonna but like like keem star we see spoke to him before anything went public and like it was like there's still a mutual thing there was like a respect yeah there is a respect there him and hex have had histories of you know just figuring stuff out and so he had the he had the obviously everybody saw the video he said he had talked to hex and hex had a statement and that's it i mean what i liked about it was like he had the respect and like dignity to like yeah actually like reach out and like try to find out the truth and Like the story, but like regardless at the end of the day, he has to do what his fucking channel is.

And that's drama alert. Yeah, I guess that's the thing. That's the scary thing with how many people can become popular now. Like celebrities used to just be whoever was on TV. But now we have celebrities that can just be anybody on Twitter, anybody on, you know, like YouTube or even like Reddit. Like anybody on the internet can become somewhat popular even to the point of. even to the point of internet celebrities, like in the matter of years.

So we have, we have people that can literally abuse their fan base to where, you know, innocent until proven guilty is just all the way, it's out the window. If you think about all the stuff that, I mean, I don't even know anything about it,

but all the stuff that Banks got into with like that, um, you know, that, uh, club or whatever. And he just like, basically,

basically sicked all of his view. and all of his fan base on that club, and then the club came back. And it's, it's, like, scary. Like, as much as I like banks, I haven't seen him in forever, but, you know,

when we did used to hang out at events, I liked them a lot, but it's terrifying. Now you have Rice gone making videos about, like, dissing certain people, and who knows the real story behind, like,

half of those situations. It's just, it's crazy, man. It's wild. Yeah, that shit's corny to me. All that's, all of that. Yeah.

Like that, and it sounds like I'm like hating. Like, like if I was in their position and I heard me being like that's corny, I would be like, like shut the fuck. Yeah. Yeah, like I'm a hater or something,

but I don't know. This is, you can't really hate, you can't hate on other or I don't know. I feel like you can't call us haters whenever we're talking about someone more successful than us because we give, we give so much props to other people that are more successful than us.

Like if you, the way you and I talk about like Justine or Nate shot or, I mean, like anybody else that's like that high up and they're making that quality of videos and doing that in their lives. Like, I can't hate on that. I would never,

I would never even begin to hate on that. Yeah. But I don't know. I guess that's it. Some people just aren't going to like certain stuff. And it's not like I sit there and like, fucking use my energy to hate on it. It's just, I don't know.

If it comes up in conversation, it's, yeah. I can tell you, I don't know, it's not my thing. I don't really watch their stuff. I don't keep up with the YouTube drama or the disc tracks. I'm just not into it. Could you imagine if we got, we would, it'd be bad.

Like somebody's dying on the track. Yeah. Like, think about all the views and all the shit that, like, Rice gum said Rice gum said what did he say I'm verified because all these checks that I blew that's the one time

out of all the nine songs I've heard from him that he ever had anything that was like some some sort of a scheme or wordplay yeah so shout out to Jay lyrically if you wrote that Jay props to you I don't know who Jay is but

disc rapper the disc rapper oh okay um lyrically I don't think any YouTuber could be this but

any YouTuber I don't know about yeah maybe any name any YouTuber that like you think could I don't think any YouTuber could maybe not maybe honestly Zia says some stuff sometimes Beulu has that like funny flow but Zia says some stuff

sometimes they're probably the only people I've heard like I'm talking like known YouTubers yeah like the only people that have any kind of like skill. Like they freestyle and it's like they have yeah like you can like you feel it.

Yeah. But like anyone else it's like even when it's written and they're in a studio and have countless times to record it. It's still they're off they're like offbeat. They're like not in pocket and it's just like you can tell it's not what they do. But since they're famous on YouTube,

they can do it. I mean, at the end of the day, you can do whatever you want regardless, whether you're a famous YouTuber or not. But I'm just saying, what do you think music is going, man? Because now music, music just seems like that thing to do whenever you're famous and you don't know what else to do. Like if you look at Rice Gum, you look at the Paul brothers,

you look at the Cash Me Outside girl, bad baby is her name now. I mean, everyone just likes music. Yeah. Everyone. So it's like... Music is universal. So now I feel like, I feel like music is getting to a point where it's like you have all these people making music or writing the music, doing the music, and they just need a platform to put it on. And so you just grab a famous person and you just give them that.

Yeah. Because that's the easiest way to get popular. I don't know. That's crazy, man. What music is, I don't even, is it music? I don't think. I don't know. I think it's not even music.

It's like entertainment. Yeah. No one rides around listening. Don't say no one. Because I guarantee you there are kids. There are no one above the age of 18, maybe. Yeah. But I get the entertainment aspect of it.

Yeah, so do I. But no one rides around at nighttime and it's like bumping rice come to distract. No offense. The rice young. There's this one. But I'm just, or like, catch me outside girl or fucking Logan Paul and Jake Paul. Don't say anything about a bad baby.

She has a song called Hi, Bitch, that shit. Bangs. Really? Bangs. But is it the beat or is it her? It's not her. I feel like you can make almost like anyone sound good. White ribs.

White horse. That's all I know. I don't know if I've really like, I've definitely heard it, but I don't. Don't, I don't know like that. Yeah. But I'm just, music is like what you're listening to when you're just laying in bed.

Yeah. And like, the lights are off. Yeah. Or when you're driving at nighttime. When you're, like, you know,

listening to music. What do you predict? Where do you think music's going? Because there's this, there's this Skrillic song where he, at the very beginning, he, like,

samples this really old, um, uh, interview. And at the very beginning, it's just, It's like a baseline and Scrillic's like, I don't know, does some sort of music. And then it's the interview over top.

And he's just, he said, I predict or I can imagine, I can envision is what he says. I can envision that, you know, music is going to get to a point where there's a lot of machines and a lot of electronics. And it's not done any more with physical things. It's done a lot more with electronics. And he plays the whole thing and then he drops. Obviously he's Scrillics. So like somebody predicted. Do you?

somebody predicted where music was going to go way back then but where where do you think it's headed i know that's a broad statement because there's so much worth in music but you know as far as what's popular now where do you where do you think it's going to head i don't know it's it's weird i was listening to a uh this new um young m a freestyle and she actually said something about it she was just like she just said something like all these corny weird looking rappers Like she just said something about that And it is like Everyone

That is like going out of their way To like be different Yeah It's like being different It's not even like being different anymore It's not Like being different Yeah

Being different is like not being different Exactly like who was the Who was the last rapper that came out That was normal or fit the rapper persona like the regular like i'm talking about like kindrick or j cole like just like the last lyrical rapper that came out and he just was a rapper he didn't have a purse on he wasn't wearing grills he was or like like crazy like i'm talking about like the six nine guy now like

yeah like and i listen all their music i'm not gonna act like i'm not being a hypocrite right now but when was the last time that somebody came out and was just like these are my bars this is what I do. I don't know. It's like you can't really put a like you can't put a wall around rap and be like this is what rap is. Yeah. Because if you're rhyming words, it doesn't matter what the fuck you do. Yeah, there's an interview with you can be what you can be pink hair with rainbow grills. That's true. There's an interview with with Joey I think it's Joey badass and somebody asked him like expecting him to just shit on mumble rappers. because people do that with anybody who's like a lyrical rapper.

And for the most part, all the lyrical rappers, with the exception of a few, say the same thing. They're just like, I don't know why you guys try to put us in the same comparison. Like, I'm not going to sit here and hate on what future does. Or literally the movement that future started. I'm not going to hate on that because it's the same shit that I listen. Like, I listen to that. I go to the club and I listen to that. I dance to it.

I bump it. But I'm also not going to compare that to what I, do. So why are you comparing it to what I do? And Joey Badass said what we need to do is we need to sit down. There needs to be a board of directors for rap and we need to establish different segments of rap because he said they did it with rock and roll. There was rock and roll. There was classic rock. There was punk rock. There was screamo. There was hardcore. And nobody's done that with rap yet. And that's why everybody's- mumble rap is a new one. Yeah. And now people are saying mumble rap. But then you have mumble rap and lyrical rap and that's it.

You don't have like, like, you, you could even, like, put a yellow wolf into a southern rap. And, I mean, I mean, you have different segments and stuff, but I don't know. As far as, I just, I mean, it's kind of like getting out of that now of, like, comparing the two of mumble rap and lyrical rap because nobody really does it anymore. But at the same time, like, it would make it easier for, like, you know, the BET Awards or, like, the freshman ciphers and stuff to like be able to separate them because now it's just kind of becoming like a joke yeah like the freshman ciphers like there's not it's all people like don't

even try yeah to rap ever since ever literally ever since the little oozy year they just don't try anymore and and it's like I think there were a few and then they try to have like real rappers yeah like the fun rappers which you can't do yeah like they have the which like the real rappers like get offended. Yeah. But then, yeah, because then the, the fun rappers or the mumble rappers are just kind of there just like, yeah, yeah.

Rhyming through their stuff. Yeah, I'm all, I'm all, I'm bitch, yeah. I don't know. I can't hate on either one of them because I listen to everything. Me either. Like, if I go to a club, I don't want to walk in and hear, like, gnaz. Yeah, right.

You know, fucking tech nine. Like, I want to hear. low oozy. I want to hear Catch Me Outside. Hi bitch. It's just different. It really does need new genres. Needs guidelines, yeah. So that at these BET Awards, they can have

mumble rapper of the year, or call it whatever you want to. New Age rapper. If you just, what is rap anymore? Yeah. Like, if, it's like if you rhyme. Is post-malone I would say if you rhyme words, you're a rapper, but people in rock and every other like everyone rhymes words that makes music.

So like what makes you a rapper? Is it? I mean, like is Post Malone a rapper? Is he? It's like because he can be, he's like an artist. Post Malone could be rap.

There's be R&B. He could be Southern. But there's also, now it's like, like people like Drake don't want to be considered a rap. I wouldn't say he doesn't want to be considered. But he's like he doesn't,

like you wouldn't really call him a rapper. you would call them an artist. Yeah. Like some people like the top tier people. Well, even like post Malone, it's like you would, I would, I would consider him like, I think so too. And I think that's, more than a rapper. And these people, some people are going to get a, I don't, fuck.

I hope nobody gets offended. I don't know if you're in shot anymore, by the way. I just, I don't know what people are going to think about this next statement, but there's a part of me and I love rap. It's my favorite type of music. My favorite genre. And everybody knows that. But I don't view it as music.

I don't know if that's bad to say. I view rap as like, I view rap as like a different way of listening to rap battles. Because when I listen to rap battles, it's like, listen, listen, listen, just stay on track with me. Keep trying to listen. All right. So I look, the thing I love the most about rap is like actual rap. is like lyrical rap is the words and the lyrics and the the way they can multisyllable and put it all together so that's what that's why I listen to

that's why I watch battle rap for so many years over even listening to rap and now when I listen to rap that's what I that's what I listen for so I don't really view that as music I view it as more of like poetry or word play or however you want to say that like putting the word putting the words together and how you how well you can do it and then I listen to ram and I'm just like that's not music to me either because that's just like it's just kind of like a different way of just listening to a beat and getting hype with it's like kind of like listening to electronic music you just have somebody rapping over top of it I mean that's music yeah it is music

but when I think of music I think of I think of guitars and I think of drums yeah I think of queen and I think of Boston I think of John Mayer think of Jimmy Hendricks like I think of lady gaga Lady, even Lady Gaga, even Coldplay. Like, even people, people. Nickelback. Even nickel back. Like, so now music, what is popular right now, I don't, I wouldn't even call it music. I would call it like, I don't know.

This has like been on my mind for a while, but I don't know how else to like say it besides saying that I feel like it's just like very electronic base and very what's catchy and what's. Well, the thing is, it's like, does music make the culture or does culture make the music if you get what I'm saying? Maybe you are the goat podcaster. Maybe you fucking are. Maybe they get it. The YouTube comments get it. Keep going with your fucking point, man. I don't know what my point was.

Well, it wasn't a point. It was. It wasn't the point. it was just like, like, is it the, these like mumble rappers aren't just like mumble rapping and changing us. It's like the environment turned made them mumble rappers. So it's like that's just where music is, I get like something in our world led music to be at like a mumble rap stage. what is it about our world like Donald Trump is president Donald Donald Trump is president

mumble rap is at an all time high and what call of duty is being played on TV's nationwide yeah and TV is going out of business and internet is ruling the world like everything's changed yeah so I think maybe it's because you know back in the day there was no like you couldn't just you it cost a lot it was a lot of time and you could

you it was impossible almost to teach yourself to play guitar or to play piano so whenever you saw somebody that was killing it a guitar and piano it was insane to see that but now you can YouTube search you know everything every you can YouTube search eruption solo and you can hear you can hear 500 different people from anywhere from seven year old men to six to 12 year olds in their garage playing the one of the best solos of all time on the guitar and that's because it and so it kind of takes away how hard it is to do that and how talented it is and now you just instead of searching for something that's talent base you're searching for something that has never been done before and that is unique and that's something that you have

never seen before and so that's why we're coming out with the most insane types of music and the most insane looking people because the talent is not appreciated as much anymore. What will music be like in a hundred years? That was where I was trying to go with this. Because I have. That's going to be weird. I have obviously not in 100 years, but I have a hypothesis of where it's going to get in our lifetime. What's that?

I think it's going to the same way that, the same thing that happens with clothes, the same thing that happens with pretty much any trend, it's going to. it's going to come back around because it hasn't come back around yet. People start rocking the fucking 70s type clothes and like I see what you're saying. You know how like in the 2000s

we were all sagging our pants. Yeah. And now we're, you know, skinny jeans are the thing. It's like it all comes back. And people are wearing like old clothes. Yeah, yeah.

The snapbacks came back. My mom was like, why is everybody wearing snapbacks now? is because that's what people used to wear way back in the day. And then it was dad hats. And then snapbacks kind of went away and dad hats came back. You know what I mean? So, sorry.

Damn, imagine in 40, like, say like 40 years, 50 years, just like classic rock comes back. That's what I'm thinking. That's what I'm thinking is going to happen. I'm thinking by the time we're like 40 and 50, I think we're going to have gone through all of this craziness. all of this like where else can you go from here as far as music like i know they were probably saying that back in the day but as far as i mean yeah in the 50s they were probably like how do you get in the 60s when were the beetles like 60s yeah 70s probably early 70s late 60s i think but like i'm sure then they were just like yeah what does it go like they they saw that

and we're just like okay this is music yeah but like never in their never in their right mind would they expect to hear low oozy yeah oh of course like they would drop they would faint so i wonder in 50 years what i'm gonna hear and be like what is that and i've never heard that people continue to say that and i understand because that's how it's been forever but as far as anything technical and electronic based i don't think anything's going to surprise me anymore you know what i mean and that is the surprising part. We go from an acoustic guitar. Now there's something called an electric guitar.

What the hell is an electric guitar? Wait, you don't think anything's going to surprise you? Well, I think something's will, but I don't think it's going to be like, wow, I didn't see that coming. Because then we go from an electric guitar to now people are DJing. Then we go from DJing to, you know,

over time, scrylix and this like trap style of music where it's all done on the internet. Or it's all done on the computer. Yeah, fake DJ. So from there, anything that's done electronically, it's not really going to surprise me anymore because I don't even know where else we could go. That's why I think it's going to tumble back around

to where people are going to go on stage, they're going to be playing a guitar live, and people are going to be going crazy. And I think that's where it's going to eventually get. And I could be completely wrong. Yes, you're good. but I also don't know where else we can go. How does it get crazier than the rapper 69?

You don't know until it happens. Yeah, I mean, I understand that. But I think, and there's definitely going to be crazier things that happen. But when we get there, I'm not going to be like, wow. Well, I mean, I guess I will say I didn't see that coming, but I'm not going to be like, how is this happening? It's like, this was a mountain to happen. Something's crazy. Something's going to entertain us more.

It's going to catch our eye. But eventually the top 40, I think, is going to be, there's going to be trickles of real music scattered within there, like rock music and acoustic music and Jack Johnson-y type stuff, like stuff like that. I wonder if people like Frank Sinatra would hear some of Drake's like good, like, musical songs and be like, no, that's good. like that's good or like any type anyone from like this generation if those if like fucking who wait who did Kanye dude I was just about to talk about this Kanye Rihanna yeah Kanye Rihanna and the

beetle yeah which fucking Paul McCartney yeah yeah like he's he's he's we need him as our first guest if anyone watching knows Paul McCartney we need him for the next podcast

he will be your first guest yeah and until we get Paul McCartney we will have zero guests that Paul McCartney is the perfect example of like a musical person just traveling through

like generation to generation to generation but like still accepts and respects like musical talent yeah and how could you not when you were you created a wave of music and he's he's creating a wave of music while millions of

girls are screaming at him and their parents are like this in the back like what the hell is this so now he hears other people's music and he's like I can't hate on that because that'd be hypocritical for what I went through oh you would just know it's good music like even I feel like I have a sense of what good music is even if I don't like the I'll hear good good music but that doesn't mean I'm gonna listen to it again true like some stuff just like relates with you or it doesn't yeah and I guess I don't know what um who's that one one not what's his name I'm just trying to think of like some mumble rapper I'm thinking like slum dogs something the slump god or ski mask

Dog, dog, god, dog. Or ski mask the slump dog. We sound so like. Ski mask, what is it? Ski mask. Ski mask the slump god. Ski mask the slump god. That's his.

Fuck, what was I even saying before that? I do not know. Damn it. If you put, talk to him. What were we saying before? like Paul McCartney good real music oh relating

like I'll hear music some music I just can't relate to but like I don't know it's good music but then I'm sure there's well there is plenty of people that listen to ski mask

the slump god and relate to his music and they'll listen to shit I like and they won't relate to it so it's weird it's weird I'll like people you can't even like necessarily control it I don't know what it is I think that's I think that's why we get roasted so much for liking Drake because I can't we can't control it and

like they can't control the fact that they don't like yeah and it's I can understand I it's I accept when people hate on me for disliking Drake because I call him a rapper I call it hip hop and I don't know I'm not a I'm not a hip hop textbook I don't know all I don't know all of Nas's albums I don't really listen to Tupac and Biggie ohmatics stillmatic it was written I mean I have Illmatic as I'm saying like I don't I don't know all about rap and so I know old heads would come at me like Drake is your favorite rapper nice man nice you're a typical white guy and all these like kids on Twitter like yeah Drake I'm sure Drake is your favorite rapper you know nothing.

But that's why I'm kind of jealous of you is because you can just be like, what the fuck do you mean? I listened to blank. I was in, yeah, I was a hard, pretty hardcore like 90s. Yeah. Like I remember one of my good friends

who would listen to like all the 90s type shit with me. He started listening to like, what year was this? Probably like 2010, 2011 or something. Like he started listening to like French Montana. and like shit like that No it's probably Might have been

2009 or I don't know But he started listening Like early French Montana And like going Into the like pop Like poppy type Mainstream Rap I guess

And I was I would like joke with him Just like about the music he was listening to But it's like now it's like That's kind of all I'll either listen to Drake's like kind of serious stuff or I'll listen to like the catchy shit. Yeah, yeah, same.

That's how I am. There's not a lot of serious stuff that comes out anymore that like. Jay Cole's album. I slept on. Oh, dude. There's so many albums like that. It's crazy how much music is coming coming out. Like there's obviously the mumble rap guys release nine albums a year.

but then these other albums. I haven't messed with a album Future made since What a time to be alive. Yeah, because he releases 12 a year. Yeah, he just like keeps. I wonder if you make more money doing that Or if you make more money.

I'm sure he makes more money, but it does, it's not like Oh, is it good for his? It's not lasting. Yeah. Like when he's 80 years old, he does, I can't speak form but if I was 80 years old I wouldn't want to look back and be like damn what a time to be

alive was the only like yeah thing that like stuck with for like years everything else it's like yeah you listen to it a few times through and that's about it yeah but there's certain I I would want to be be making stuff that kind of just blasted so sort of like building I say that in my position yeah there. I'm sure when he's making, when he's, because when he puts out shit like that,

he'll tour his album and make millions. Yeah. So that's why he's putting out, at least that's what I think. I feel like those people. That's probably why people do put out so much music. It's because after they put it out, they can tour.

They can stay relevant. Yeah. Maybe that's just the way shit is now. I feel like there's, but then there's Lowein who hasn't put out a album since 2013. And people are still like, where is it? Yeah. And I think that's the, I think there's that in, there's, there's, that phenomenon happens in every aspect of career, like creative career choices.

Like there are grinders and then there are people who are perfectionists. Like if you look at comedy, I said this in a vision. I like went super deep in, in the vision where people were roasting you about your music. and it sounded kind of corny then, to be honest, because it kind of sounded forced. But there are like the grinders. So in comedy, there's Louis C.K. Louis C.K. is famous for,

before masturbating in front of people. He was famous for having a different, he would have a different set and different material for like, like three times a year. Like he could have done nine specials a year because he had so many different, so much different material and he would just stand up there and pump through it. Then you have Bo Burnham who spends three to four years perfecting his act and then he goes on tour.

So it's like you kind of have in this aspect, I mean, if we're talking like this, you have the Kendrick the Mars of the world who go out and they put 900% effort into their album and it takes them two years to make it. Or you have, you know, a little Uzi who puts out seven. He just grinds. He's always in the studio just pumping out, you know, content pumping out. So I feel like those, and it happens on YouTube as well. You have the daily vloggers and you have the, you know, the people that just put out.

Content cop. And then you have content cop. And whenever a new content comes, cop comes out, we're sitting there just ready. Well, at least Drake for us. What? Oh, yeah. Like when he dropped something. It's like, got to listen, got to watch.

Gotta watch content cop. He's good as fuck. I don't really pay attention to it much, but. So are you a grinder or are you a perfectionist? If we're talking about that. I don't know. I think I'm finding a happy medium. Yeah, a happy medium.

Because you're born a perfectionist, which is terrible in the line of work that you're in. Yeah. Because people want you to just grind. Yeah. People want. But it's like, it is. grinding but it's just

I don't like the perfect example I guess is Havo it's like you grind almost every single day but I grind every single day for a certain moment

I don't grind I don't grind just to like put something out I grind kind of like an album almost like I would grind every day for an event yeah like certain rappers will grind every single day for just having a super good album yeah and then there's other people who were just like they don't care if the video sucks they'll put it out every they just want to get a video out

yeah whether they force it um whether their outro is eight minutes long yeah whatever as long as as you get a video out yeah if they're talking for 10 minutes and people are just like dude like you literally are just talking because you just have to put a video out and I try not to like stress myself about like for example when everyone was at Nola this weekend um and it's it's been super cold in Texas and it's just like there's literally nothing going on yeah so it's like what am I gonna vlog like yeah there's nothing going on no one's doing anything So it's like I'm not going to like stress or like force myself to like get something out. Put a video out.

Yeah, it makes perfect sense. But I also want to say I don't try to make my videos perfect by any means. Yeah. So right now I'm definitely more in between. Yeah. Just trying to find a balance. What about you? Probably the same.

I think I kind of found a happy medium as well. As far as my personal content, this is how I see it. As far as my personal content, I'm not a grinder because I definitely don't want to put a video out unless I really like it. And unless I really like the content within it, that's why I don't like daily vlog anymore. But as far as the, as far as vision, I feel like I started vision being a grind because I've never put out a, I've only put out one vision ever. where I was 100% like done with it. I was like I felt like there's nothing more I can do to this video. I finished it.

But because of like it's the fast pacedness of a vision, because it's basically a mini documentary, but it's just the time frame to do it is condensed. It's like you don't have a lot of time to do it. So you can't do it to 3,000% of your ability. You have to do it enough so that it's done. it looks good and that people like it. But, um, so I feel like as far as that, it's kind of, it's kind of a grind because

I'm consistently putting out weekly like docu series. Well, not consistently anymore, but getting there. And so I feel like that part is kind of a grind, but I definitely am not like a, I don't know, uh, I, I would consider myself more of like the Bo Bermen type of thing. Yeah. Right. I'd like to, I'd like to fully sit down and exit. execute a grind to get to one point rather than a ton of little points.

And we've said this before and then it's like, and then there's hex who's like a grinder. Grindr. And then he doesn't understand how we're not grinders. Yeah. But it's, we're just grinding in a different way. Yeah. He, he just has, it's just like a different energy. Yeah.

Like he, I have a really good point, but it's like, it's just hard to explain. like he has a certain energy where it like bothers him if he's not doing something. I think certain, not necessarily hacks, but like certain people like that, that like always have to be doing something. Yeah. Always like, I don't, I guess, you know, just always have to be doing something. They aren't comfortable with silence. They aren't comfortable with, like, why can't, why can't, why can't they stop? Like, why can't they just, like, sit there and, like, pause.

And it's like a different feeling. Like, if I gave Hex, since he's not here to defend himself, because he would definitely say that I'm wrong. Well, yeah, that's why I'd. But if I gave Hex my vision camera and said, spend four days recording. and gathering everything and make a huge production out of it. I don't, I mean, he would obviously be able to do it, but he would not like doing it. He would rather do vlogs every day and, and do like a bunch of many things

instead of producing an entire, you know, instead of working a little bit each day on making something big. So it's just a different way of working. Yeah. Well, it's just a different way of living. Living, yeah. Like people, like I said, people just, some people just don't, I don't know, people like different shit. Some people, some people don't like sitting still. And some people can't entertain themselves. Some people can't be alone. Some people date 10 people a year because they can't be alone. Some people don't date people for five years.

because they can entertain themselves. Yeah. People are just different. Yeah. So it's not really fair to, I guess, judge someone off what they're doing. Yeah. I think it's safe to say as long as you're trying to, as long as you're conscious of, like, needing to better yourself

and, like, taking a certain action to better yourself, it's all that really matters. Yeah, I agree with that. You can't judge someone. Just because you are uncomfortable with not doing something, just because you're uncomfortable with, like, sitting in silence, doesn't mean you can judge someone that can sit there

and call them whatever you want to call them, whether it be lazy or depressed or whatever. That is one thing. to continue to talk about freaking hex. That is one thing that he's good at is he's constantly, you know, obviously bitched me for different visions being laid and different things going wrong. But then at the same time, he's like, listen, like, I'm not going to, I'm not going to, like, fire you. I'm not going to, like, test your hand whenever, like, you're doing stuff like this for vision

because I understand that's how you work and that's your creative process. And, you know, he doesn't, he's like, he'll say, I don't understand how you do it, but I know that's what you do. And every time it comes out, you know, I'm really like, I'm pleased with the product and I'm impressed with it. So if I change how you do it, will that mess up the final product? And, you know, a lot of that, a lot of that is true and a lot of that is, you know, me procrastinating.

But at the end of the day, I can understand how he works. And he understands how I work. So as long as you're conscious of how you are and how you can better yourself and reality check yourself, I think that's probably the most important to, you know, to improve in any sense of life, really. Yep. It's a learning process. Yeah.

I think even though as much as I talk, like I know, I don't know. I don't really know shit I don't know shit either dude I'm just trying to I'm not even trying I'm not even trying I'm just fucking I'm just taking notes

I guess as I go along in life and trying to fucking shit happens noted try not to do that again need to do this better how can I what do I need to do to feel more fulfilled

in of a happier, better life for me and the people around me. Can I get A, man? A. I almost slipped an exclative in between A and men, but that just seemed too. A cuss word. A fucking man. That seemed too disrespectful.

Yeah, that's, I don't think that's allowed. And Christianity. It's definitely not. My early teenage self is shaking. Did you get a church? Oh, you did? lived in church, man. I went to church.

I went to church like every other weekend maybe for a year or two or something. I kind of forget it. I would only go with my dad like every other weekend. Yeah. I went to church every Sunday. I went to, um, I was the president of my youth group for four years straight. I played in the praise band every single Sunday, practiced on Wednesdays. Sheesh.

Yeah. My mom taught a Sunday. school. My dad was lay leader. Like literally, we lived in the church. Wow. That's crazy. It taught me a lot. I was in the youth group and we didn't care about we just messed around. Yes. Like we were just like the like all the adults would church it up and then we would just we would just be the kids like with some dude who like had to look after us. Yeah. Everyone. And we would just mess around. So it was I mean we did some we did some good stuff. It was fun. It taught me a lot.

I think it taught me. If not, if the religion part, the religious part of it doesn't stick with you, I think the companionship and the positive environment and the way to be raised will always stick with you, in my opinion. I think it's something to do. I don't know. I think I'll, I honestly think I'll eventually go back. But I think it'll, yeah, I think it'll be whatever. As you will.

it'll be whenever I have a kid I think as you get older you're gonna start and like get settled down yeah and like your own house and shit and like get a place of living yeah and like just you just know you're gonna be in this state for 20 until you die

yeah you start going to church yeah that's funny there's a I mean there's there's a sense of I don't know there's a I mean a lot of a lot of the best friends I've ever had I met through church and a lot of my mom's, you know, best friends that she's ever had, she met through church.

So it's definitely a lot of people in the same part of life that you're at are meeting every Sunday to, you know. Church is, damn, I got to go to church. I've honestly, I just want to go to like, to experience it. Yeah. And now that I'm, like, conscious of, like, what church is. Yeah. I kind of do.

I want to feel that energy. Does you ever see this stuff on TV? of like church I don't know what they're called but like it'll they'll televise church yeah and then some people will be like freaking and they catch the holy ghost or whatever yeah I want what is that

because you know as much as it might be fake yeah and some stuff you know that actually happens yeah people really catch the holy ghost or whatever whatever that is like yeah whatever that is like I Have you ever heard of speaking in tongues? I've heard of that might be a rap song. I think that's just why I heard of it.

I went to one of my friends, I was in high school. So it was like a sophomore in high school. And my mom was, my buddy asked his mom if I can go to church with him or like this like youth group thing. So went on the Sunday. And it was like late Sunday. It was like an 8 p.m. And we just had this whole, they had this whole sermon, and then, you know, we were supposed to eat and play games. And then at the very end of the sermon, before we did all the other stuff, this, like, girl had a testimony.

She had a testimony about, like, something terrible that happened in her life. And then the pastor says, can you come down here? We can put, you know, we'll put your hands, we'll put our hands on you, and then we'll pray for you. So she goes down. We all put our hands on, like, a lot of people put their hands on her. Some people put their hands on her. there's this big group around this one girl. The guy has a microphone and he starts praying.

And I had never experienced this before because I grew up in a fairly like a Methodist church where it's just like, I don't know, it's kind of, I would say normal, but it's a bad word to use. It's kind of contemporary, like just a bunch of people in jeans and T-shirts. And as soon as this guy, I was standing right beside my friend and as soon as this guy started talking, I would say there was probably 200 people there, like seven. 75 to 80 people within there started just speaking gibberish. They're like, what are you?

La, blah, blah, blah, blah, just like speaking gibberish. And I never, ever experienced it before. And I was literally sitting there with my eyes closed, and I opened my eyes. And I started looking around. And my friend was like, it like shook his head. And so I just like put my head down. And so I started listening to this guy preach with the mic.

And then everybody else, like, not everybody, but a lot of people were just like jumble talking. It sounded like kind of like the Sims. I don't, that's really disrespectful to say, but. So then I go home and I tell my mom, like, what was this? And she was like, oh, that's called speaking in tongues. You know, we don't, our church doesn't really do it. And we've never taken you to a church that does it.

But apparently, it's a way to, for people to directly talk to God while. That's going to do it for the podcast. Thank you all for watching. So I'm sitting there. And I'm like, that's another situation, just like the people, you know, dancing down the aisles and catching the Holy Ghost and shaking. It's like, I would, I don't understand that at all. I don't understand that part. I was not expecting that.

I thought, yeah, I was not expecting. And it's, I mean, I, that's the only time I've ever experienced it. Um, but it's stuck with me for a very long time. And I do, to this day, I don't understand it. And I mean, there's probably a. I mean, there's probably people that listen to the flycast that go to a church. That's speaking tongues. They're probably sitting there right now.

How about it? Well, that's disrespectful. We're in 2018. So, I don't know. I don't know. But I mean, at the same time, a ton of people do it. A ton of people, you know, go to churches where, you know, people go crazy. And they dance down the aisles and they catch the vibes.

And there's people that speak in tongues. There's, you know, different religions that do different things. But I wish I could understand it. But I don't. Yeah. I don't know. There's people that speak in tongues and, yeah. Like I'm joking and like just kidding around when I'm making fun of speaking in tongues.

But I can, they can do that. And I think it's weird. But then I'm also the guy that's sitting in my room on a pill. on a pillow and just like sitting there for 20 minutes with my eyes closed thinking I'm like little bit like stopping time so it goes both ways yeah like your meditation stuff yeah which you should start doing I think I'd be good at it I don't think you would yeah I'd probably I'd fall asleep I either fall asleep or well the thing is that's yeah I used to do it lay down but

I realize when I'm doing that, all I'm doing is relaxing. And that's not, that is the point, but it's not. Like you, I'm supposed to be like opening. I started, I would say just don't overthink it. Don't, don't try to learn what it is. Like, I don't know. I'm not going to turn this into like a teaching how to meditate, but I, do you reach a state?

I get it now. I have in recently now I definitely consistently reach like a state almost like every single time like it's it's really weird it's not um it's not a state you reach in like any other way like it's like the only way I can reach that is meditating right like I can't be falling asleep and realize oh I feel the same way I feel when I'm meditating like no when you meditate there's a certain feeling you get that's like you don't get it elsewhere and I did have a I actually made a video about it a weird experience I had one time one time only and it happened for like 15 minutes while I was meditating and it was like super weird like I wouldn't call it an outer body experience but I felt like I could, I felt like I could sit there forever. Like I never felt like so content with what was happening.

And I felt like I was sitting there with my eyes closed and I felt like instead of like sitting here like right now I know I'm here. Yeah. But like instead of knowing I'm here, I was sitting there with my eyes closed and it felt like I was here watching here. It was that's the only way I can explain it. and you don't you just won't get it until it happens yeah so that's it's weird that's crazy and just because of how well I know you like I obviously know you're telling the truth but to other people out there they probably think you're being crazy unless they've experienced yeah and I've been meditating it's been very scarce the last couple of years but like the last two months it's been

pretty much every day yeah and last two three months And it took that long to like experience that. Does it? Like it takes practice. It's weird. Do you think, I mean, how helpful is it for your day to day like activities? Like obviously you've been very motivated since we've moved to Dallas, but that's like obviously a combination of many, many things. It's a combination of many things.

Is that part of the community? But I've also, I started kind of, I started, I made it a. point to do it every single day. No matter, like I had days. Like I put my alarm to 20 minutes. And I set a timer 20 minutes. I hit start and I sit there for 20 minutes. Do you listen to anything?

No. Sometimes I will. I kind of like list. If I feel like I need to listen to something, I will. But usually no. Yeah. But I'll just sit to start and I'll just close my eyes and just sit on the floor, on the pillow. And I can't get up for 20 minutes.

And then eventually, I think you need to learn how to focus on your breath. And that's a good start. But yeah, I sit there for 20 minutes, focus on my breath. And sometimes I'll be moving. moving like I'll be so uncomfortable and like antsy and I won't be relaxed but I'm like I can't get up and then five 10 minutes later I'll kind of like stop I'll be like because I know I can't get up like no matter what I am not getting up until the alarm goes off so all this like antsiness and stuff once I realize I'm not going to get up it kind of just like goes away and it's just like it's just like

And you just like give up fighting it. And I think that was that's like a life lesson kind of. To stuff you can't control. You like stop fighting it. Like you just. People are going to think we're high. People think we're high every single time. People think I've, I'm never not high.

Especially this time people are going to think we're high. it's a pretty good just some like shit you can't sometimes you just have to let go and my point was you were asking if it helps in like daily life and it's like that

that's something I kind of take with me every day is like you won't even know it sometimes but we'll just be walking and I'll be like in my head like thinking about shit and then I'll just be like wait that has

what I'm thinking about has nothing to do with what's going on right now and it will not help me with anything that's going on right now and it just really won't help me period so I'll just be like okay what is going on right now in my life and then I would like stop and that's when I notice I'm breathing dude I need to start doing this just because of how like stressed and probably a pain and they ask to be around lately I need to start focusing on just literally what's actually going on like what what matters and what doesn't matter and what's not going to be a big deal I used to say it when I worked at Walgreens like one of my one of my coworkers she'd been there for a while like I

was getting so frustrated with like this like passport I don't know it was passport something so I remember and she looked at me she was like Davis and I've been working there for two months she was like never let Walgreens stress you out and from that moment on for the next three years, there was not one particular time where Walgreens ever stressed me out. Because at the end of the day, I was there to do a job. If it didn't work out, it didn't work out. But me stressing about something is not going to fix anything. I think that's a quality of a good leader too is not being. I only say that I might only be saying that because my boss, when I worked at Food Lion, like the head.

General manager. Yeah. Yeah. Like, he was never stressed. Even if, like, people were fucking up, like, it's still going to... Yeah. It's still going to work itself out. Yeah.

So, yeah. Stress is controllable. And I used to be so good at that, but lately, I haven't meant. So I need to, like... A lot of times I'll just be in my head. And then, you know, I'll just... I'll realize that it just has nothing to do with what's going on right now. And then you learn to start realizing what is going on now,

and that that's when you feel your breath hitting the back of your throat. And it's like, oh, that's what's going on now. You feel the table your hands are on. And it's like, oh, this is what's actually happening. None of the stuff in my head. This is what's happening. but yeah so yeah I meditate sometimes

yeah I haven't for two days though and I feel bad about it so because of that well I mean at the same point like people are gonna people are definitely gonna make fun of you for you just said even our even the viewers I watch this are gonna like joke about it but at the same time like with how real that feels to you and how much it helps you, and people are constantly telling you how dumb that is,

that's literally the same thing as religion, any type of religion. Well, any way that you go about it, it feels that way, and it feels right for them. It's how they choose to live, and it's what helps them. And they're constantly, you know, if you want to make fun of it, you can, but it is a thing I would argue that with is like, you can make fun of me for it, I guess. But everything I'm saying, it's like, real.

Like, I don't know. Fuck it. I know what you're saying. I know what you're saying. Because it makes sense. It makes sense. But I feel like it all pertain to the same thing. But there is also a side of me.

Not that doesn't have to do with meditation. And I've been talking to Ace about recently. is I forget who I was listening to but it was just something about having faith and I know that's huge that is religion is having faith

but my faith lately has been just like I don't know I just have faith that my life is going to work out I have faith that like whatever

is supposed not supposed to happen but like I just have faith that like it's going to be all right whatever's going to happen

it's going to happen yeah whatever's going to happen yeah I can understand that too and even if it's something bad I have faith that I'll get through it and it'll still be good

and something bad could happen something bad's going to happen after that it probably seems it'll probably seem bad to allow of people that were, you know, that are still super active in, like, Christianity and, like, the church and stuff. But I've kind of taken, kind of like what you're talking about with, like, find, I don't

know, like finding yourself and whatever happens going to happen. Like, I've kind of taken whatever I was taught and kind of made my own reality out of it, like not my own. People do make their own realities out of stuff. Yeah. Like people will live in a like People will create a reality People will create a world

That they believe is reality That's not reality Yeah But go ahead So like the first time any I'm still like kind of friends with her Every once in a while But the first time I ever heard anyone say

I just don't believe it I just got to a point where I went to church And I started listening to what they were saying And I was like I don't believe that The first time I ever heard anybody say that It was a girl when I was in eighth grade, and it just, like, shocked me. I was like, what? How can you not believe it?

I mean, that's because I was born in the church, raised in the church. Like, that was what you were supposed to believe. And I never got to a point where I just said, well, I mean, I never got into the point where I said, I don't believe any of this. But I did get to a point where I, like, understood what was happening. And I understood, you know, where it all comes from. And I kind of pick and chose what I wanted to believe. And that's really, that's like kind of a bad.

thing, you know, for people that have, that are like super hardcore into the church and into Christianity and into religion. You can't just pick and choose what you want to believe in your own religion. But at the same time. You don't. Like you, you don't pick and choose. And I wouldn't say you, you do, you do pick and choose. You just either do either, yeah, you just either believe it or you don't. That was true. I didn't, yeah, I mean, now that you say that I didn't sit down with a checklist and said, I believe this, I believe this.

It's just like when I hear the different stories that I grow up hearing and I start thinking about it now, I'm like, was, I mean, you know, I believe that Jesus was real and I believe that he, you know,

said all these, you know, different things to a lot of different people. And I believe as that, it's like the whisper game. As he said that, passed it down through centuries, there's no possible way.

I cannot say that, There's the same story that he said, you know, I mean, regardless, you know. So there are some things, I believe the core story and I believe that, and I'm very thankful and I respect, you know, that that whole aspect of life that I was raised in because it made me the person that I am today. And, you know, as far as, when people ask me, yeah, we'll tell them that I'm a Christian and we're in a, we're in a, we're in a, kind of like a I guess a demographic where it's kind of like you're Christian you believe in Santa Claus too like that kind of stuff

but it's like that's not how I see I would say someone that doesn't believe someone that is like no I don't believe that God is not real I would be like I'm looking out the window

and I don't know about you but we don't know what the fuck this is. Like if you you can't you don't know and I don't know. I don't I'll say I don't believe there is a God

but I don't believe there's not a God either. Like I don't know. And I think you're dumb to say that I was going to try to think of a less harsh word The dumb. Dumb is a good word for it. I think it's pretty ignorant to think, to say there isn't.

I think it's also. Look outside. Yeah. Look at the. I think it's also ignorant, but a little less, a little less ignorant to say that there absolutely is and that yours is the right word. I'm not going to go around. Like, and that's the problem with Christianity, I think.

The top problem is that they got to a point where they, we, we, whatever, it got to a point where they're so, they're so cocky in the fact that their religion isn't the right one. It could be any, it could be any of them. Any, any one of these religions could be the right one and, and the belief system could be the right one or, you know, it could be an absolute wrong one. You know, it must could be right. And we're all living in a, in a simulation. And the person who is running that, the person being thing that's running that's running that simulation could be the God that we're all, you know, like, there's so many possibilities.

but to say that yours is the right one is ridiculous or you can say you believe in that but to confirm and say that if you don't believe this you're wrong I think is dumb and I think if you say nothing is there's not a higher power and there's not a God that you're also dumb. I think those are two dumb ways of thinking

and unfortunately I was put in a position where I grew up in one of the dumb positions I would go to, you know, I would go to school if you didn't go to church you, I would judge you. Like, that's just how it was. And it's not like, and I don't blame that on the church either because they weren't sitting there saying, judge everyone.

You're supposed to judge everyone. They're just saying, listen, like, if you don't believe this, this is what we believe, you're going to go to hell. So then you were like, oh, shit, I got to believe that. And then if somebody else didn't believe it, you're like, are you kidding me? You're going to go to hell? Then you judge them. You know what I mean?

Like, it's a lose-lose situation in a lot of those particular, like, instances. So I don't know how we got into religion. Same. How did this? I knew this was going to happen one day. When we first started the flycast, I knew it was going to get here. Have we not really talked about it? No, I don't think so.

Not like that, I guess at least. We've talked about it, like, just me and you in the car. Yeah. But I knew it was going to get here one day. It's kind of exciting. I knew this day was going to happen. How did that shit start? Meditation, higher power, all that.

But how expanding your mind? What was before meditation? Church as well? Because we talked about. What was before church? How did you originally talk about the? people getting jive. That's how we got there. The Holy Ghost? Yeah, the Holy Ghost. Getting the Holy Ghost.

How did that? That's how we got here. I don't know. That was the original point. But we're at a we're at an hour of 21. Jesus, dude. We talked about we killed the music thing. We killed the music thing. Then somehow got into religion. That is the fly cast. If you're looking to sponsor the flycast, please. Hit us up. Should we make like a we should make like a like a email people to hit us up for we should make a flycast email yeah i'll work on that i think i already have one um i'll put that a flycast email i think because i used it for sound cloud so um i'll work on the flycast email if you guys are looking to promote anything on the flycast or to help us out anything anything does help us

um it's a lot of fun thank you guys for for watching listening it is on sound cloud and iTunes and youtube and that's it but i haven't checked the spotify thing yet i need to do that. Oh, really? Let me check right now. I wonder if it is on it. Imagine? Imagine if I pulled up Spotify right now. What episode was this? 12. 12? Are you sure? No.

Are you sure? I'm like I think it might be 11. Let me check. I'm checking what episode this is. All right. This has been episode. I'm pretty sure it's episode. 12. Yes.

This has been episode 12 of the podcast. I guess that's going to do it. That is going to do it. Do you have any outro music?