The Flycast - The TRUTH Behind Hitch’s Challenge 🤫 | The Flycast Ep. 74

Episode Date: May 7, 2023

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All right. Yeah, we're good. We're good. We're good. Wait, you know, you have to say it. You have to say, all right, guys, you guys are good. All right, you guys are good. Back. Sit down. Strap in. Oh, my God. I was like, what?

Did I scare you, too? Did I scare you? Yeah, a little bit. I was like, what the fuck is he talking about? It's flycast time. Flycast time. We have the number one requested. Requested guest out of anyone in the world.

And that's Electronic Matthew. Everybody, round of applause for Emac Craig. He has finally decided to work today. And actually, he was going to say no. He didn't want to do it. But. But did we call him out? We call him out.

I knew that I was going to start. Matt, we all show up to the Optic podcast, myself, Bose. On time. On time. Well. one of us was on time. I'm not going to say who it was, but one of us was.

I knew Bose was going to be late. Well, I blame my barber because he took forever. That is true. He was late. That's what you know. Yeah. But then I was like,

yo, like everybody's rolling up and I'm looking around and all the cameras are there but like their lens caps are still on and stuff. I was like, let me just call Matt just to make sure. And it went to voicemail and I was like,

uh-oh. Because I know Matt's a heavy sleeper. He's a heavy sleeper. Yeah. So I was like, he slept in and Raj was able to set all the cams up. And I was like, well, your punishment is you have to be on the flycast. And look how happy here. Yeah, I kind of, I kind of forgot that you said that.

Like, I was sitting down here like ready. I'm like looking at your videos. Like, fuck, I'm going to ask him some questions about it. We can still ask me questions. We'll talk about all that. Well, damn. Where do we start with? Where do we start with electronic?

Matthew. I know. Fuck the topics. I want to know Matt. First off, if before Matt, you say a singular word, how would you, for those who don't know, Matt, Matt is the person who sets all this up. How would you describe him to those who don't know? Me? Yeah, they might know. We might have said his name on the podcast. Like, thanks, Matt. God, he's so annoying. They might have heard it here and there. But who is Matt Craig? how would you describe them to those if they don't somehow know he's very loud outspoken arrogant

um he's uh he he he'll put you in your place if you're not careful sounds about right no Matt Matt uh Matt does everything he got

uh he originally came on to edit Hector's vlogs and now he's setting up dual PCs for the beer league He's the he's the person that if anything has happened in Optic, most likely Matt has either set it up or tore it down or was involved in the planning process. He's a he's a all hands on. He's a jack of all trades is what I would say. I guess what I want to ask.

Don't blow too much smoke up his ass. I can see it getting to his head. I want to ask this. His head is expanding. But then I want to like go back in time. Okay. even beforehand. How and why do you get into this?

Didn't you start? How did you start off? That's a good question. I actually don't know the answer. Like, how did you start off? Because if I remember, you, Hex, you knew Rogers somehow and Hex found, Hex hired you for.

So like I got into e-sports, probably like seven years ago now, something like that, six years ago. I wanted to go to Call of Duty. events, but I didn't want to, like, pay to go to them. And I didn't want to play, because I suck. But I wanted to go, because it just looked like fun. So I initially started just cold, like, DMing people on Twitter, being like, y'all

come take pictures of you at this event. If you can, like, you know, just get me in. And did you add, like, your own camera and stuff? Yeah, I had my own stuff. I was actually at VidCon the week before. Nerd. He's true nerd. True nerd.

I was deep into YouTube. I was deep into YouTube. So I went to VidCon. And then it was like the weekend before. Real quick. Anaheim, I think. Did you get any autographs at VidCon? No, I got a picture with Casey Nyset, though, which was...

That's fucking badass. I was ready to roast you, but that's bad. That was the only one. Like, I got, like, the... Yeah, it was, like, at his, like, peak. Damn. But I went to VidCon mainly to do, like, I got the... There's, like, the...

Like, you can go as, like, a fan or you can go as, like, a industry person. Okay. And I bought the industry pass. So I could go to, like, all the panels of, like... Oh, shit. It was, like, way less about, like, seeing... the people. It was more about like being on the panels, like being able to go to the panels and like

listen to people talk about YouTube and like how they Oh, so you were there to learn already. Yeah, yeah. That's crazy. Yeah, so I went for that. And then that was the weekend before I think it was Anaheim 2016. It was their first one I went to. So it was that was the weekend before. And then I went to I stayed like the extra week or extra weekend to go to the Cod event in Anaheim. And I was just deeming people on Twitter. It's like, hey, I'll take pictures if you can like, give me like $10 and I'll like do it.

And I DM'd, uh, Mike Kent from DeSerto. And he was like, yeah, I'll get you a, uh, like a press badge to get in. So I got into the event for free. I made no money. I definitely lost a bunch of money on that. But so he wasn't going to pay you though, like 10 bucks? No, I even know if I asked. I can't do that.

I'm like, I'll get you a pass. Yeah. But that's $10. No, I did like, I did this, the DeSerto thing for free for like three events. Like I flew myself out to the events and shit. Damn. What the? Just to get a, I mean, dude, I'm so bad at, like, asking for money and shit.

Matt is the, like, I'm terrible at it. Matt is the worst at it. Because I just don't, like, growing up, I was going to be a dentist. Like, that was the plan. And, like, as a dentist, you don't have to ask for money. Like, you just get paid. So, like, I never, like, I didn't know how much it was worth. Yeah.

Like, do I charge, like, five bucks for a photo or, like, a thousand bucks for a photo? Yeah. Yeah. I'm the same. So it's, like, just pay me whatever you're going to pay. I was the same way. It took me a while to ask Hector to, to, when I was doing Optic Entile

and I was also getting paid like like what 800 bucks no no like 600 bucks a month or something like that from Walgreens and I just couldn't live like really so I asked Hector I was like hey like is there anything that I can do

to like make like monetize the channel or something that I could work towards to get paid and then he was like just so you know one thing I love talking about is money. So if you ever want to talk about money, always ask me. And I was like, damn.

And then I was like, can I have some? Then he was like, that's when he first started paying me for optic intel. But it took, it took, dude, before that Skype call, I was like, oh, dude, I was asking, I was in a, I was in college at the time. And I was living in a frat house. And I was asking all my buddies like, yo, like, how much should I like, ask? like asked to be like paid for this and they're like I have no fucking idea like they had no idea either so I like remember I was about to call up Mike and be like hey I want to go to this

next event but like I've got to get paid something like yeah or like it was costing me a shit that I'm ready to fly out and like food and everything so like I gotta get paid something to go like I want to go I'll go and you know to pay me a lot but I do want to go um and I asked me was like yeah sure we'll pay you I was that so fucking easy like why did I wait so long to ask I used to do stuff for, um, for like, I think scuff, maybe it, maybe it wasn't scuff. Maybe it was partly scuff and partly like other companies, um, back in the day. And then like, I would just wait to get paid. And I remember asking, um, uh, Zach or ringleader.

I would be like, like, you know, I worked, I worked for this company. There was, this one wasn't scuff. It was a different one. I forgot who was. I was like, I worked for this company and I, I sent them all the work and then they never paid me. And he was like, did you invoice them?

I was like, what is? I was like, what is that? And yeah, sure enough, I did like three jobs. Like back in the day when I was like trying to get anything. Like 300 bucks was just like, holy shit, that'll last me two weeks. Like, just get me through life. But I just wasn't invoicing people because I was too scared to invoice them.

Yeah, I just had no idea to do it. I got lucky too because like going to, like going to school, everything was like paid for. So like doing the photo stuff like on the weekends and everything was just fun. Like I just wanted to do it. So it wasn't like I needed to get paid to like buy food and shit. It was just like I want to keep doing this and there was no plan to do it full time at all. It was like this is fun. I want to keep doing it and I like doing it. So the pay aspect of it like I never thought I was going to need to get paid because I didn't think I was ever going to do it full time. I was just planning on doing it because I like the people I

met and wanted to keep doing it. And then eventually I would, you know, graduate college and get like a real job. So when did it turn into something more, I guess like, when did it turn into you getting paid for stuff? And you was like, okay, like, I'm doing this. I'm going to get paid this. Like, what was like the steps since, I'm guessing that was like right before you joined Optic? Were you with anyone before Optic?

So I was, I worked for a certo for like probably like a year, maybe. two years, something like that. And I went to every cot event, a bunch of gears events, and a few Halo events. Working for them when you met Roger? Yeah, I met Roger at my first ever event. Like that event, uh, the weekend after Vidcon, that's where I met Roger. How'd you meet him? Was it like? It's just like this same way that every photographer

like, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Like you're like at the stage same time with the camera. You're like, yeah, what are you shooting on? And then that's like just the opener. I'm just imagining, imagining Roger back then. Just, just a fan. Just love. He was grinding. Do you know the story that like of like how all videographers thought I was an asshole? Have I ever told you this? I don't think so.

So, hey, you can. Well, everyone is, everyone asks the same. Like when you see someone else taking photos, you're like, okay, well, like, we're the same. Let's go. I'll go talk to that guy. So you go, so you go talk to him and you hit him up. You're like, what are you shooting on? Like, you start talking about gear because that's like what we all like.

Uh-huh. But we all asked Hitch this question, but. So I was talking. with with with I was talking with Hosef you were the parasite of I guess I was talking with Hosepho at one point he was like yeah the first time you ever said the first time I ever talked to you I thought you hated me and I was like what he was like yeah you were like really like you were a kind of a douchebag and I was like imagine Hosef was saying that I was like what and Matt was there and he was like I could he I could see him doing that maybe Matt for two years

at this point. And I was like, why are you not in your head? He was like, and then he told me the first time I ever met you, I asked you a question and you went, I don't know, and then didn't talk to me. And I was like, what? And then I asked Roger and Roger was like, yeah, all the videographers talk about how you're an asshole. And I was like, what? I bet you like really overthought that. I have been thinking about that conversation for four years now. I've literally thought about that for, I was like, how? I would like, like, like, And then now every time I meet someone for the first time, I'm like, okay, good first impression because of these. They really does.

Good first impression. But what I attributed to, and I even asked JP who works here now. And I was like, did the first time, because he just got hired here like, you know, a couple months ago. So I was like talking to him and I was like, I have a question. Dude, no way. I was like, the first time we met was I like nice to you? And he was like, you were an asshole. I was like, what?

Wait, really? Yes. Like he was being serious. He was being dead serious. He doesn't just like know this story. Yes. He was like, you mean assy. He was like, but I was also 16 and I was annoying.

And I was like, he was super fucking. Wait, when did y'all? Wait, when did y'all meet? JP? Like back then as well? Yeah, like a years of it. Like when I was shooting.

I thought he, like when he moved here a few months ago or whatever. No, no, no, no, no, no. This was all when I was a videographer. Yeah. like Hitch was the guy. Like at Cod events, everyone was like, like, we're all doing, we're all taking photos and shit, but Hitch was like the scump

of the videographer people. So it's like, oh, we're gonna go talk to, dude, you had like, ESports Awards and all kinds, and you're shooting for optic, and you're like the only person that was doing it. Oh, so you all wanted to go, like,

talk to Hitch, and I walk up to him the first time and he's, and it's funny because, like, he's shooting, and I know what camera he has. I know all the answers to the question I'm going to ask him. So I go up, but I'm like, yo, what are you shooting on?

He goes, I don't know. All right, man, cool. And I just fucking walked away. I was like, there's nothing like, that is the opener. Like, if he wants to talk, he would answer that question. Yeah. So, yeah, this is like during the vision. I did not have an ego.

I did not have an ego. Here's what I attributed to. You thought you were that guy. There's one videographer, and I'm not going to say his name, but he was very open about how he disliked everything I put out. And so I just kind of like put every videographer in that category. And it wasn't like, I wasn't like, I wasn't like, I was, it wasn't like, there's criticism and I'm like, man, fuck that guy for

criticizing me. Everything he was saying was like, accurate. I didn't know how to color grade. I didn't know how to shoot. I didn't know how to, I didn't know the gear I was using. He's like, how's this motherfucker? How's this motherfucker getting four times as many views as our videos get? Like, basically.

And I was like, I'm just, I'm good at one thing, which is storytelling for optic fans. That was the one thing I was good at. And like a documentary series was my way of like doing it. And so whenever that guy like that guy put it into my brain that like I'm not supposed to be here. And like it's only a matter of time before Hector figures that out and get someone that is supposed to be here. That was like really what was in my mind. So whenever videographers would come up to talk to me, I would clam up because they'd be like, what are you shooting with? And I would dead ass wouldn't know.

I dead ass wouldn't know I didn't know the lens I didn't know the I didn't know the I would look up like voice recorder buy one off of Amazon put it somewhere and like that was my audio

you know what I mean or a road mic on top like that was it and they know I will listen to that to this day I will listen to Raj and Matt talk about cameras and it's like I'm listening to Chinese

how did you get into it though if you weren't like that I first started uploading one clip, uh, commentaries. Fun fact, I reacted to your first ever YouTube upload ever.

I reacted to it on, on stream. And I, like I made it a YouTube video. Like, I did an intro on stream. I was like, bro,

I might start a new series. I'm going to start reacting to people's first video ever. That's an amazing idea. And then I did it. And it was like a. Snife. Might have been like a three minute montage. Of me sniping.

Yeah. Like you'd hit like a double coat and I'm just like, I'm like, this is what they were uploading back then. Yeah, that just randomly remind me. That's hilarious. That's a great. You should definitely do that. Yeah.

Do that for methods today. I should just put yours fucking up. Method's first video. Yeah, that'd be funny. Yeah. You can't steal that idea. I won't. I'm gonna do it.

TST can though. Nice. You react to. me react to me. Yeah, that's fun. But yeah, that was, that was the reason why I, that was the reason why I would clam up. But then from everyone else's perspective, they're coming up to ask me a question. And I, in my head, I'm like, would you, I'm like, I'm like, sure right now.

Are you nervous? Are you nervous about it? Like, knowing they know so much more. I am extremely nervous. Like, I remember one time I got put in a Skype call with all of the, all of the, all of the, All of the top, I guess that's what it is. I never thought that was real, but I guess I'm describing it. Oh, that's definitely real.

I think I have that. JP said he had that. Actually, I kind of have it too. But I, anyway, I got put in a Skype group with all of the videographers. The top, think of every e-sports doc that's ever come out. The top videographer is in that Skype group. I got added to it. And it was immediately like, I was like, dude, I'm in, they just threw me to the wall.

Are people talking shit about HBahn is back? Yes. See, I, like, Raj has told me shit and yes. I mean, maybe. Especially when I won the awards. When the awards, but I understand that.

I do understand it. Not the first one. The second one. I understand the second one. Yeah, that's just fan voted. Like, you can't even talk shit on that, though.

And there was, there's not a world where I don't accept that award. I remember Raj was like, I can't believe you accepted it. See, that is such a, faded fucking thing to say. Yeah. What?

What? Everyone wants you to get this and you shouldn't take it. Like, that's insane. But I don't know if I'd accept it if I was a year. Yeah. That was also, I was, it was two months after I'd gotten fired and I was pissed. I wasn't even a videographer anymore. And I was like, like, TST had just started.

We were playing blackups for GBs when I got the notification that I had like won it. Damn. That's crazy. I was just like, like, I am taking this, like, if anything for a thank you to the fans and a fuck you to the. Everyone else. Like, I was taking that award. Fuck you to the Skype car. Yeah.

But like, then I immediately, like, I would see like sub tweets and shit. And I'm just like, dude, this is like, and it's not me. I'm not complaining that they're, like, I'm not twisting it. It was just like, I was always just nervous because they all, I felt like I was hiding a secret that like I didn't know what the fuck I was doing. and the only people who did know were eventually going to tell everyone. And so I just kind of like built a wall between me and videographers.

That is something no, I bet no one really knows. Yeah. Like I didn't know that. Yeah. I mean, videographers are assholes though, just in general.

Are they? Oh, yeah. Everyone's very like particular about shit. And I'm not like, I'm not really good at like the whole camera shit. Like I'm decent, but I'm not that good. So anytime someone starts talking to me about stuff,

I do the same thing even now. Like, well, like, we'll be at, like, the Esports Awards. I'll start talking about, like, new year coming out. And I'm like, I don't really care, to be honest. Like, what we got works. Yeah. And I'm just like, not that. What makes...

What is that important? What do you think is what you do well? Or that year... That's a good question. That's a very good question. What do you think Matt does well? He's always... I don't have...

I think Matt is great, and we can always count on him except today when he's late. but you can always count on him he figures shit out he gets it done but besides that i've never been behind like i will say no one in the world knew the hex quarters better than matt so if you walked in and you needed something you could ask matt and he would tell you right where it is more he he knew the hex quarters way better than hex knew the hex quarters and so like if that was that was probably the and he was always on call so if shots he's streaming from there and shots he's PC something malfunctions, Matt can fix it in 15 minutes.

And that's probably, if we're, if, like, if, like, if he's, if he's doing the podcast, something happens over here, you know, somebody could sit down and he can go do, he can build something over here and come back. Yeah. It's not even necessarily cameras. I feel like it's like PCs as well. It's a lot of like stream PC-esque type stuff because that I'm really into all that. So I'm pretty good at that.

Your PC setup. I wonder if we could get a, You have a, I'm sure you have a picture of it that you could put on the flycass. Yeah. But your PC setup's a little ridiculous, isn't it? Like you have three PCs, three monitors. Yeah, I mean, just, three PCs? Yeah, so like the way that in my like set up works.

Like he loves this shit. I mean, I just like, it's just so fun to like mess with. But I have it set up so it's like, it's one where I was headset, one where I was keyboard, three computers, including my Mac. And it all like just works. Like how? How? How does.

In my opinion, it's the greatest setup that's ever been fucking. How does a wireless mouse... Is it better than Dr. Lupo set up? For what I use it for. Get fucked. Like one mouse is going between three PCs. So the only thing... So I've done that in the past where it's one mouse, but it's just a pain in the ass.

It's easier to have three mice. And then one keyboard that does all. If I want to just like open something, I just grab a different mouse. But... Instead of like hitting the button. People always ask why I don't get the little switcher Because I have two mice, two keyboards Yeah

Which is like it's so much easier if I like if I want to mess Super easy to just do one though Oh is it? Yeah because the button's on the keyboard So I just click a button and it swaps back and forth instantly But the mice the mice opinion yeah Would it just swaps computers? Yeah like you hit a button and this the keyboard now knows it's working with this other PC

Yep Were you always just a A fan of all right so actually let's get into this When did you start meeting, I guess, Optic people? When did you start getting good friends with, because Roger sort of got you into, I guess,

working with Hecks? Yeah, it was like Roger and Chris Marsh, which is one of the guys that runs DeSerto. I was at a Gears event in Mexico City. Wait, the one we won? 2018? No, it would have been later than, I think.

Actually, it may have been 2018. I can't even if you guys wanted or not. But I was at that event and Chris Marsh was like, hey, Hex is looking for a editor. And I was like, tell him I want that job. Like, I'll do that for free. Just tell him that I want it.

So I know he reached out to Hex. And then I think Hex also asked Raj and some people at the optic offices. Like, if there's anyone that they, like, recommended. And Roger recommended me. Were you and Roger, like, really good friends at that point? We were, like, decent friends. Like, that was at the time he,

we kind of became good friends because we went to the events. And I like to drink. So I was always like the one that was always down to go out at these events. And the Deserdo guys liked to drink. So it was like, we were always like hanging out and having fun at these events. So like I would meet a bunch of people at the events. Sounds like a fun group to be honest.

Oh, it was good times. Dexterado? Dude, they're insane. Matt, Raj. I love those guys. Yeah, it was very good times. But that's how we got into. So,

Hex was basically wanting a someone to edit his vlogs. So the way it was like positions when I, I first got the job was he wanted someone to like kind of follow him around and like he would vlog but also I would like film him vlogging so he could like talk to the camera and then I would edit everything. Did he does he not like doing that anymore having someone like follow him around or I don't know because I'm learning like I don't know if I like that because I've been having my my guy come over like once a week we'll record shit and I'm just like there's like funny shit in my head that I want to do or like place the camera, say some, like, just random shit.

But it's like, I want to do it instantly. But with him, it's one, I have to do it in front of him and it's weird. And two, I have to be like, yo, record this. And it's just like, like, literally one clip, I fuck. He was like literally sitting over here. I was standing by the windows. And like, I just had it in my head. Like, I'm like, make my ass clap.

And that, I'm a film this. Film this. Yeah, literally. I'm like, I'm like, and it's just like, like I just my, because it's just totally random. Like we're out there like recording my way in or something. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We walk in here to the streaming setup and just boom real quick, make it clap. And then it just, it'll just cut.

It'll cut right there. And then it's like on to something serious. Like it just makes no sense, but it's like that's the kind of style that that's, that's just what pops in my head is creativity. And it's just like, I don't know. I just saved you. I thought. Did you see that?

Mm-hmm. walks in and he has the where's Matt face you can Raj has a where's Matt face I can see it right? Yeah he walked in and just did it and then looked at the couch and went and walked away so I saved you from

something I'm in trouble so I stopped enjoying that did all right so you join and you're just at this point or you just full-time hex? Yeah when I first started it was just full-time heck shit and then but you're also doing

like go into events and stuff And like taking pictures? When you went to events, wait, were you taking pictures or taking videos? For Hex or for DeSerto? Just like your main shit. DeSerto I would do a bunch of photos. Like the Strat was take a picture of every single player at the event.

That way they could have someone for like the articles that they wrote. Oh, yeah. And then I'd also take a bunch of pictures on the side to try to make money at these events. And then once I got the job with Hex, I went to the events and I was kind of like, like I would film suffer as vlog. I would edit the vlogs at like, like same day,

upload the next day at the events. And then I would also like, uh, because like you have to go all day at the event. You're recording. Yeah. Like that's always like the weird thing like being like an editor and also like having to shoot stuff is that like say we shoot for like eight hours one day.

At the end of the eight hours, you're done shooting. You're like, okay, day's done. But it's not. You've another like three hours of editing to do afterwards. So like you get home and you, you have to just keep going.

And you basically wake up and do the whole thing again. Especially if he, because I feel like if you're there for all the recording, you have in your head how the video is going to go. You can almost skip around the video. You already know that's not going to be used. So you're deleting that. It's just a lot quicker. But when he sends you off camera footage from him just like going off doing his own thing,

was that like, how annoying is that to edit? Like getting a bunch of footage. and having a watch the whole thing through or it's like, is, is it that bad? Because I would think, like, my own, my own vlogs, I already know I know what's gonna get cut. I can kind of just skip through and I'm cutting shit, but like to not,

to just have someone's entire vlog like sent to you and then you have to edit that. I feel like that would be so fucking annoying. It's kind of fun, to be honest. It wasn't like annoying. It kind of would depend. Like, some days, I would only get like 15 minutes of footage. but I did then make into like an eight-minute video.

And then sometimes I'd get sent like, you know, an hour of footage that I had to cut way down. So if it's like a lot more footage, it takes longer to like kind of trim down. But it really was never that bad. Were you editing before Hacks? Yeah. Editing videos. I mean, like, I started editing videos in high school because I used to make YouTube videos. Do you want.

Oh, React to those. Yeah, react to those. If you can find them. I did like, so I have a, in Oklahoma where I'm from. We have like a lakehouse. So I would record like, this is when Casey Nice, I was blown up. And I was like, I want to be fucking. You straight up copied them?

No, yeah. Literally just ripped the whole thing. Like, it's best, I, best my build. How dare you? Yeah, and I was fucked up. The disgusting. I would, I would like make videos of us like just. Out of the lake.

Just you and your. Me and my like all the friends. Yeah. Yeah, there's people I grew up with. The in real life friends. Yep. And then I also did like a tech channel. Yeah.

Matt's got a whole like life. outside of this shit yeah i feel like i it's crazy i got i don't yeah i mean either i fucking got brought up into this and it's like this is all i fucking know or have yeah but it's it's all right so when you go home and you see all your frat your frat friends are they like you still doing that game and shit i mean they're all like they all think it's the coolest shit ever yeah because like we grew up at this like the right time where like optic was huge so like one of the guys that was in the fraternity house with us that I lived with his like gamer tag was optic

swerve no yeah so now I like work for I work for optic and now I'm in optic so it was just like it was crazy that that happened and every time I see him he's always he always has everyone asked a bunch of questions about it every time I see him but I have it on keep keep going I just realized I had a meeting

it too that I definitely fucking that we missed that we made you miss whiffed on say you're working man this is way more important this is way more important How boring or how useless are meetings? Don't answer that. Dude, the first, the, the first, for the first time of my life, something happened like two months ago.

So like, you know, like when you're, when you're somewhere and they'll be like, or they'll see the optic chain or they'll see like optic shirt or they maybe they recognize who you are and they're like optic? And you're like, yeah. So I had my chain on and this is in the, um, the Vegas airport. I was waiting for Alexis to land. And this guy goes, are you, is that an optic chain? Are you with optic? I was like, yeah, I work for optic. Expect them to be like, oh, yeah, like I'm a fan or like my friend's a fan or something

like that or I know of it. But he was like, oh. You know, maniac? I used to work for them. And I was like, I've never heard that before. Immediately, if I hear that, I'm like. And I was like, what? I was like, what?

He was like, yeah, I used to be a video editor for, for them in Mono Warfare too. And I was like, what? Yeah. And his name was, yeah, his name was Optic 2 bar. I literally looked it up. Optic 2 bar. And he was an official editor for Optic back in like the, the team tautj days, like the sniping, like, 2011. And I was like, that has never happened.

And he just ran. I was like, what do you do now? And he was like, oh, I work in the film industry. Like, so he like edits real things now. Do you have big aspirations of what you? want to do? What's, why is this funny?

I just know all these answers and they're very funny to hear you asking. What do you want to, what's your dream? What do you find on? What's the dream? Making movies. Have a fake answer first. Like a real, like a fake answer?

Like a fake answer? Yeah. I mean, I don't know. I literally have no idea. Now the real answer. What's the real answer? Dude, I don't know. I don't really want to answer this question.

question. Why? What could it be? He wants to be a stay-at-home dad. Yeah, I mean, my girlfriend's- Really? Well, in a way, I just want to like do something myself. Like, I don't have a boss. Like, I want to be able to just like, wake up and do whatever creative shit you want at your house when you want. Yeah, and like, not even necessarily. Like, the creative shit, yeah, it'd be fun to like have a, like, I'll always have like some sort of creative outlet, whatever it will end up being. But mainly I just don't want to have to, like, eventually be cool to Go up to an office. I mean, yeah, eventually it'd be cool to, like, be your own boss, essentially.

Yeah. It would be dope. I agree. But, like, what would you do? Like, with your time? What's the dream day? You wake up, you take a dirt, you ride a dirt bike to the coffee shop. Star Citizen.

Star Citizen. Yeah, that's the shit right there. What is that a game? Yeah, it's a game. It's like a space. We don't want to go down that rabbit hole. I mean, I honestly don't know. Like, there's like, I try not to think about it that often

if I'm being completely honest with you, but I don't really know. Like, I want to do this for as long as it's fun. But I also kind of want to, like, be a dentist. Really? Yeah. That's so funny. It's such a funny.

Yeah, like, I want to go back to school at some point. I just don't know when that would end up being. Why do you want to be a dentist? If you're, if you, just make cash. if you're like super but are you like into it yeah I've always been like really into school so I mean like you're into teeth and shit I'm into like medicine like so saying helping people like no he didn't say drugs he said medicine yeah I've always like really I've always been good at school and I've always enjoyed school um what grades you get I got straight days up until college and then

started doing this shit and it fucked up the grades pretty badly I think I dropped out like a three six so I didn't drop like I still had good grades three six bro I'm maybe on my anatomy final I got a 42

I'm about that Is there a curve? That was the curve I was the bottom of the curve probably actually probably not bro if I passed That was a celebration. I mean, I ended up passing the class.

I don't know how I passed the class getting that. I got like a D plus or something. But anyway. You play any sports growing up? Or you were like a motor cross. Yeah. Oh, I played soccer for like 10 years. I played when I was like really younger.

I played like football for like two years, but I hated it. You better than hitch at soccer? No, he played in high school. He played like when soccer became like real. I played until I was like 13, I think quit. And then I raced motorcross for like eight years I think

something like that started when I was like 12 or 13 So are you doing the aisle of Linum of Man Titi next year? I probably would Why? I probably do it

That would be so fucking fun Yeah I probably good I can I can kind of like see that That's what people That's what people are made for There's just like no other

Like there's no like the adrenaline rush That you get from being on I mean a street bike I'm sure is wild But I did like all dirt stuff But it's just like Like when you get off the track You're like at the end of the day

When you like load your shit up And you're going home Like there's no better feeling in the world Then after you just had a full day Like literally jumping dirt bikes With all your friends You're just like content You're at peace

Oh yeah it's like It's just the best day And then now your days You're just fucking annoying And then you're just You're waiting to get back to it Something like that I don't even know if I would want to go back to it

Because I'm too old now I feel like I'd hurt myself Damn No man that's just what the it's what society tells you i was scared i fucking was going to hurt myself and my shit shit's scary at first dude so i think it was because i was looking at like mantiti stuff um last or like a couple weeks ago that like extreme challenges like kept popping up in my youtube i have to explain to you guys this have you ever heard of something called the barclay marathons

sounds familiar yeah i was watching the video that you like tweeted out Dude, it's fucking insane. Yeah, it's nuts. So there's a whole, you know what ultra-marathons are? Like anything over, anything over basically 30 miles? Ultra-marathons. So like some people do 50, so people do 100-mile runs. There's this one time of year, there's this race called the Barclay Marathons.

And it's, and it's like, it's like Hunger Games level satanic. insane like competition. So this guy, you go up to the mountains. There's one loop of a circle. And five different books are scattered on this circle. And you have to go in there. And if your number is seven, you have to go in there and rip out page seven,

get all of the books and then come back around and give it to the race guy. And then that's one loop down. You have to do that five times. In a loop. So it's like a loop. go upside down. No, no, no.

Like, Jesus, fuck me. I'm a little long. A circle. A trail. A trail. A mountain trail. Like this. No.

A mountain trail. Like you're going up a mountain and down a mountain. Okay. So that's kind of like, you're like, I get that. You got to grow. Sorry. Is that better? Yeah.

Okay. Now I'm going upside. Um. So you go around the circle, around the trail. Around the trail. Around the trail. Around the. trail and you collect your five pages, bring it back to the guy.

He says, okay, that's a loop done. And you have to do it within a certain amount of time. So the trail is 23 miles long. And in order to finish it, you have to do it five times within 60 hours. So it's an ultramarathon slash scavenger hunt. And it's, and a thousand people apply every year and only 50 get registered. or only 50 like get accepted and only 15 people ever it's been going since like 1989 only 15 people ever have completed it and they do it every year they do it every year

holy shit damn last year last year only one guy completed it and two years ago no one completed it it is dude it's you please watch please watch a documentary on it did you to be psychotic to do that I need... Dude, one of the documentaries that I watched, that was like, it's probably the best YouTube doc I've ever watched. It's about this guy who, like, he was, like, obsessed with it. He was like, all I want to do is finish this. And he goes back for two years and they document all both years.

And he fails at both times. Damn. It's, fuck. Did I just ruin it for you? No, I mean, I, I'm like 30 seconds in. Oh, you were like 30 minutes in. Oh. So, yeah, it's crazy, bro.

Dude, and so then I started getting into like ultra-marathons and stuff. Dude, once you get the faces of these people, they love it. But the faces after 70 miles... It's because they're fucking... Dude, they're zombies. They're like... Dude, it's crazy with the human mind. Like, that is...

I just wonder if their life feels so mundane... Until they're running. That, like, they need that. Dude. The... I think. I get inspired by a lot of people. I'm just that kind of person.

But like there's this one ultra runner that has been, it's been so like mad inspirational. Like over the past like two weeks, it's like the whole reason I started running like a lot like four miles a day is because of like this ultra running community. But specifically this one lady, her name is Courtney. And dude. The Walter number one.

Yes. Dude. She's fucking incredible. that she wear long like long shorts to her knees long shorts yeah yeah that's crazy yeah i didn't know i had no idea about this whole i watch a lot of random videos the whole like ultra running thing but she was literally like a teacher and then she was like i like running and then she right she would teach for the week and then go run an ultra marathon win it and then go back to teaching when she would go teach when in a hundred mile race she's done i think two two hundred

50 miles before. Yeah, yeah. Well, that was after she went full time, I think. But, like, I was just like, dude, how can you be the best at something and you just happen to be a teacher? You know what I mean? Like, how many people are out there?

Yeah. What would I be the best at? What if I'm just, I'm the badminton player that never played? Same, bro. I'm the Michael Jordan of badminton and I just never played it. Fuck.

Would you want to be the Michael Jordan of badminton though? Fuck yeah. I don't know. To be the Michael Jordan of anything. It would be fucking amazing. I have to piss really bad. All right. I gotta get this.

Go pee. Do you have to hit, are you going to get in trouble for not being in the... Oh, I'm in trouble. Yeah, if he made the face that you said he made, I'm in trouble for you.

Oh, shit. Well, maybe we just schedule Roger to be on the flycast during an important meeting. Then, like, what is he going to choose? A meeting? That's true. Or optic.

What's more important, Raj? I like that strap right there. I've been going with that strap for three months it's not it's not doing me any favors um okay

so de serrido into editing for hector at what point do you go from editing for hector to being the centralized person that everyone goes to for all of content wait wait wait wait wait wait

first of all sorry sorry question before that um infinite happens. Yep. And you're relatively fresh face. Oh yeah. I moved here when y'all moved here. I dropped out of school. To move to your dream job. Move to Texas. You dropped out, wait, you dropped out of your dream job or this was your dream job? I dropped out of college and then moved here for this being the dream job. Being the dream job. Yeah. You moved here during infinite. Yep. Right as it started. Right as it started. So you got to see. And I was roommates with Roger the whole time.

See, I don't even know if I like Maybe maybe like when we first moved here You were still like you hadn't been here yet When did we meet? Like when I wasn't an asshole When I was a regular person It would have had it just been like at the hex quarters At some point

Huh Because you were streaming out of the hex quarters Damn Wait Well No that can't be right Because I streamed out of my apartment for like a year went during Infinite.

Oh shit, no, you're right, yeah. There was no Hex Quarters. There was no Hex Quartz. The Xquers wasn't. So you got to see the whole shit show of Infinite seemingly behind the scenes. Like, I don't even know if people knew,

maybe people knew, but the Eavesdrop hadn't started. No, Yvesdrop hadn't started. And I didn't know anything that was going on from Hex. I just heard everything from Roger. Because that was romantic.

Oh, shit. So you did know everything. Yeah. Because Roger was fucking. When Rodd and I start talking about it, it's like, Yeah, it's like war stories when you all started talking about. Dude, it's like PTSD.

Yeah. They weren't that bad. It sounded terrible. Yes, they were. I was chilling. I was just editing vlogs. You're right. When did it become more than, all right?

So you, I guess, I just asked him. When did he go from editing vlogs to it being? Because it wasn't Optic E-Mack Craig when he's just editing, Hex's stuff. You got to think of the whole energy thing, the Huntsman. Like Yeah, it was whenever we Did you just

Huntsman I think I guess what What more work So basically You get into the optic space Editing Hexes vlogs What more work Kept getting

Like put onto your plate And sort of made you become Like a fucking employee Of the place So it started with the vlogs And then I My like memory is horrible So the timing of this

Maybe completely off But there was the vlogs first and then it was like running all of hexes like trying to run like the socials like get him clips for that so I was doing that and then we did the eavesdrop so I was doing that

upload him to his second channel clips for the eavesdrop Are you talking about the award winning the award winning e-up the eavesop podcast yeah correct correct correct oh do you have one because I have two he has one so I didn't know if you I got an award

okay oh yeah so you're also national champions yeah remember that picture Yeah, so doing that And then I think I mean there was like I can't remember if we started

No this was still On Optic When I started getting into like the Computer Like stream shit We basically Hex wanted to throw a land Of the hex quarters And he was like

You think we can do that And I was like yeah No problem We'll figure that out And basically I built a like I think it was a 20 No 40 person land out of the hex quarters So that's how I kind of like

Got into I just should know how to do all this shit because it just made me like more valuable I guess by like learning all that shit okay all right this fucking task came up yeah and that's a tough task that was blackups four yeah yeah it was on PS4 so yeah that was the blackups four I don't even know if you were were you there uh I remember you were popping up you were there because I remember we lived in that we lived in able we lived in able was there right I remember like talking to him a little bit I'm sure we were in that house but like the yellow walls and

shit uh it was that time Yeah. So you built that whole thing. Yeah, so I built all the whole land thing. And that's when I was like, I should just learn how to do all like the tech shit. Tech shit.

Because it seems like it'd be really useful if I knew to do all this ship. So I figured that out. And then I started helping with everyone's like streams and stuff. Mm-hmm. And then eventually. Who's the most annoying that always needs help? Blast.

All of y'all. At any time. But I enjoy doing it. It's not annoying because I like doing it. Is it formal? Just say it. now formal's always very chill about it formal like I set his shit up like come to my house immediately he's not gonna say it but it's Seth it's not I mean it's like

one of those things it's not annoying because I like whenever people are like I feel bad making you do it I like dog I'd have done this regardless like I just like building it but yeah I mean going to Seth's house it's kind of annoying but it's not that bad and like it's fun it's a nice house yeah he's got a sick crib to go walk through so doing that and then I think whenever the huntsman started is when it was me and Josefo running all of the content like Josefo did the

the hunt was like our doc series for that and then Holy shit yeah yeah so he was doing that I completely forgot about that yeah so he was doing that and then me and him were like

just coming up with all the content shit you guys at that time you and Josefo were running optic content yeah huntsman yeah it was Huntsman content at time yeah I was because that's when Raj came back That was like what, 2020?

It was like why Raj came back. Yeah. What was that? Like 2019, 2020? 2019, yeah. Because I wasn't, I don't, yeah. I was with the mutineers. You were with me.

So I didn't see any of that. No, because like the, the inner, well, optic died. You go to the mutineers. Raj goes to a hundred thieves. You know, we all disperse. And then like he gets energy. Some of us slowly start coming back in. and then now we have to run.

And at this point, I remember Hector asking me and I was like, I literally started TST. So like I have to, I can't come back and do like behind the camera stuff. I mean, I can't be the person doing like a vision, like a docu series or anything. So then like now we have to basically redo what we did at Optic, but with Huntsman. and it's all on Matt See, I didn't really know that I didn't know that it was all Literally just

When you and Josefo How much like content was there Was there like podcast? Yeah, it was podcast Was it stressful? Hell yeah, it was stressful I didn't know what the fuck I was doing I cannot imagine

The amount of pressure You got basically overnight Like seemingly overnight How was it brought to you That it's like, hey, you need to like You're gonna be the guy because you go from like you're kind of the guy that builds everything whatever hex needs you'll edit it fucking but you like keep the hex quarters running proficiently i like don't

remember how that combo went to be completely honest i don't remember if it was like a hey do you want to run this or if it was like a hey we need someone to run this and i was like well i'll just do it because like why not i just wanted to like work more like i wanted to just i basically like what's weird about like this job is that i don't have a back backup point like I can't like I didn't graduate so I can't go get a job somewhere else and if I'm gonna not have this job I'll just go back to school because there's no I'm gonna go work for someone else like the whole reason I took this job is because it was like the like quote unquote dream job for me so there's nowhere to go if I don't work here I'm not working anywhere I'm just going to go

try to be a dentist or do something else it's like there's nothing to do with this I'm not going to go work at like a different e-sports org or probably ever like work with cameras again to be honest. I would go do something completely different. Oh, you love this camera shit. Yeah, it's fun, but it's like... The dream job. It's fun because I get to do it here. It wouldn't be fun if I had to go like make wedding videos. Like I wouldn't do it. Dude, I feel the same exact way. Yeah, like, there's no way I would do this. Like, I'd do it for fun. Like, I would still like take... I would own cameras and stuff, but it would not be my full-time job. I would definitely do something completely different. The making the content part was always the most fun part. It's not the shot. It's not the video, the videographer part of it. It was the con like the the fact that you'd make something you put it out there and people would like it or people would you know people would like it on behalf of optic or people would like it on behalf

of whoever is in the does it feel good to come up with a content idea and like the content creators come in and like you see them enjoying it and you're like there's going to be a good video yes that's like it that's a really good that's like the biggest high you possibly have like when i throw a tournament whatever it's a wacky tournament and i'm like dude i just really hope the players like like I'm making them use these guns or these weird, they're playing on these weird maps. I'm just like, I hope the players don't freak out. And then when they start having fun with it,

it's the best feeling. Dude, it's the best feeling ever. If you get like buy in for a video, it's so much better because like, we will come up with an idea and we're like, this is kind of goofy. They might hate this. But if they get in and they like actually give it a chance, it'll be fun.

Like, we know it'll be fun if they try. But sometimes people will come in and just Insta, like, chalk the whole thing. Just like, oh, this is dumb. Sometimes they'll chalk it for other people. Like, that does happen. That happens more so than not.

More so, more often than not, if we talk a video. Someone will set the precedent of like, this is fucking stupid. It's usually someone's fault. And that someone is, has a name and I could say it. I'm thinking of one person. I wonder if it's the same person. Probably is the same person. But.

Wait, should we say it and gut it? No. No, we should not say it. No. It's not that big of a deal. It's that big of a deal. Fine. Hex chalks a lot of video.

I didn't say that. That's not what I said. That isn't what I was going to say. Hex is like. It's fine. Hecks it more than anyone else does. I feel like what I'm a part of. Yeah.

I feel like what I'm a part of. Everything I've been a part of. I have heard him like shit on some ideas. This is fucking stupid. throw a paper at Raj. It's like maybe semi semi semi-trol, but it's like he might think it's a fucking stupid idea.

But, Hax will usually, I think, play the part of like, let's make this fun. And like, he pulls out his fucking entertainment side. He almost always like buys into it. I was talking more like

like a formal or Bose to where they're like, this is fucking stupid. Well, that's you. They don't even like part. They don't even try to make it seem fun. Well, that's usually if we're doing like some sort of like something that we probably shouldn't put them in anyway. Because like for Formal and Bose, like, you know where they like shine. Or if it's like. It's usually in like a talking like a like if they can bounce off of someone else.

Like someone's getting like pied in the face. If we got to fucking go play basketball. Formal is not going to fucking play a paintball match and whoever loses get pied in the face. Or get sits with paintball. when we hit up TST. Yeah, that's when like, we'll do it.

It's going to be us versus Sabas. And like, you know what I'm. Yeah. So that makes, but like sometimes we'll do something and Hex will come in and be just like,

we're not doing this shit. I was like, dude. But like what I think, and that was a joke, I know Hex is watching this shit and he's already typing. Stop typing.

I'm joking. Kind of. I've seen him do it. Yeah. But he also plays, he also plays, like, if you watch the paintball video of us, we're all in those masks or whatever, the blindfold. Like, he was going harder than anyone. So, like, he performs. He turns it off.

I'm less, yeah, I am less, less stressed, even though it's not like I'm stressed. Like, I hope this video performs well. I just, like, don't like being a part of, like, some of the videos, sometimes they'll just be, people will be down. You can tell they're not into it. And like, I don't like being a part of that environment. I would want people to be, like, more uppity. And, like, hex always sort of turns out on. Yeah.

When it was given to you to come up with the content ideas and stuff, was that stressful? Like, bringing ideas. Would you see people come in? And it's like, hey, this is what we're doing? And they're like, yeah, that's always like. What kind of feeling does that give you? I mean, it just, it was always stressful to try to come up with something that I thought would be. Because, like, there's a difference between it being fun for them.

and also gets views on YouTube. Like, there's a bunch of shit we do that's fun, but no one is going to watch it because no one really... There's a bunch of shit that would get views. Yeah, but no one's going to want to do it. And a lot of times the shit that will get views, you really got to have like so much buy-in from talent for it to be a good video for it to get views.

And a lot of times we just don't have like the preparation with talent to be like, this is what we're trying to do. If we all like buying and, you know, we all try really hard, this will be a good video we are not that type of like people people it's a lot of egos and they're like I ain't doing that like it's never like uh

bro if we all just really acted like we like if our main fucking goal is for all of us to act into this video we make it fucking work like this would this could be a banger but like we do not have that at all yeah it's not necessarily at all it's not bad like it works we have our people have their own personalities We're working on a video right now.

That's going to be incredible. That's insane. It's going to be really, really good. The one that you're doing that you're going to be a part of? What is that? Probably haven't even been told about it. Oh, well. See, I feel like I'm down for a lot of shit, but knowing other people aren't, it's like,

dude, I'm not going to go fucking be put in a, I'm not going to be put in a dunk tank while everyone else just gets to hang out. no one else will do it. I'm not, I'm not going to go get pink balled on my fucking bear ass while there's just a lot. Unfortunately, what we've said this over and over, our biggest people are our esports players. So we can't do like, if you look at what the sidemen do, they do amazing videos. But some of these videos are like half of the three of them are going to stay in a hotel that cost a dollar a night. Four of them are going to stay in a hotel that costs a million dollars a And then they're going to compare it.

And it's like that video takes weeks of preparation. You have to. And then the actual video is taking like three or four days of shooting. We can't do that with people that have. We can't have reddles and formal and, you know, knocked in a video because they all have to scrim different games. Yeah. It's just different games, different times, random tournament year, random tournament. there.

I don't know. I mean, maybe fucking one day it'll get to a point where everyone retires and they stay on. Yeah. That's what I'm hoping for because this esports shit is for the. That's what I'm saying. This esports shit is over, man. Like what's even the prize to, they would even $250,000 for worlds or something? That's not even fucking anything.

Like a mill to win? That's nothing. If we bang out like eight good vid. That's a mill. In Vue and views. Oh, yeah. And which is like, you know, $9,000 to split between like 15 people.

I think we're fucking win in there. Yeah. That's the strap for sure. Yeah, that's the strap for sure. I like that. All right. So after... Are you stressed doing all these videos? You have to come up with the ideas now.

It's 2019, 2020. Optic is being held by its fucking toes with you and Josefo. It was extremely stressful for sure. It was fun, but it was very much. much like it was stressful because I like it was not what I had planned on doing so I didn't really know what the hell I was doing so it's kind of just coming up with it as we go but luckily we had like you and and we had trivia so like we'd trivia is just the go-to. Why don't we're going to do? We do trivia because we try not to like overdo trivia but like

I just fucking dumb. Yeah. Just do trivia. The people like it. Yeah. There's been a Jeopardy episode Yeah, every week for the last 30 years For 30 years So like it makes sense But what is it? Minecraft Mythical mornings Mary mythical

Mythical morning I know mythical morning Is it called Good mythical morning Good mythical morning They haven't missed an episode In 13 years Holy shit

Something like that I heard it on Colin and Samir They haven't missed an episode In that long And it's like Like per day It's like Is it daily or weekly?

I don't know I don't think it's daily There's no way it's daily Yeah I feel like there's no way They're like their production is like Crevy And they like they're and they asked them about it And he was like yeah

We figured it was a show And it was like the basis of everything So we're not gonna miss an episode I was like See we just do trivia I'm down for trivia I like trivia and I think trivia is The trivia is the best backbone

Besides the docu series Like process or whatever because process is for sure the backbone. Maybe podcast, actually. Podcasts is definitely one of those. It's like up there. If we didn't have podcasts, it'd be like dead. Well, I mean, the processes are always incredible.

Like, they always do like 300K. Yeah, you just can't upload one of those a week, though. Yeah. Well, just anymore. Anymore. Times have changed. I thought he's working on them. I can't remember.

Yeah. But no, it was very stressful, like coming up with all that. all the content ideas. How long did you do that for? I have no idea, to be honest. Like the timing of it, I don't remember. It was all like very much aware. People just like start slowly coming back like Roger.

Yeah, well, basically we were making stuff and Roger was like, that's all ass. And I was like, all right, cool, man. You're going to come back and fix it? And he's like, yeah. And I was like, all right, and then he moved back. I'm trying to think. That's pretty much how that went. Yeah.

Sounds about right. In like 2020, when I showed, had to show up a few times for vids, I'm trying to think. I remember Josefo being there. I remember being like, yo, we gotta go do a trivia. I think it was like me, you,

scump, that trivia. Do you know, yeah, yes. And I think Josefo takes us back. And I'm like,

who the fuck is this guy? Like, I just appeared for the first time in like fucking a year or two or something. You were expecting it and I'm doing it. And I'm doing it. I don't know what the fuck is going on.

I forget who was there. So Josefa was there. I don't know if Matt was. was running shit. I mean, I don't remember much. I was probably there. I'm sure I was there. Bro, I remember I showed up

and I literally left. I think we did the trivia. I did another video. I think we reacted to like top clips or something. And like Bose was sitting right beside me. I was like talking to him a little bit. And then the next day or the day after someone texted me

something about Bose. And I was like, I didn't even see or Bose wasn't even there. and like I completely I was blacked out that day I think I was I had like a bunch of Xanax and a bunch and some alcohol Do you remember no sleep? I was like damn near having a panic attack. Oh yeah I do. After you left.

I was pacing around the headquarters. So I can't I can't go back and like watch that vid. I can't either because the only time I've ever seen it is then that little flash in the process. How didn't people? I'm surprised I went public. I looked at all. the comments are like, yo, Nick is on something. Really?

Like a lot of people, because you were also in like a React video that day. And I think I was funny. You were funny in the React video, but you were on a fucking, you were on Mars in the. But I just remember and I remember just like telling someone like I didn't see Bose or no, I don't think Bose was there or something. And then I look at the video and I did a fucking 15 minute video with Bose. Yeah. And we were like talking and shit.

I'm just like, dude, what the? look. And then I remember that might have been the last time I showed up then. Yeah. And then I didn't see you for six months. And then disappeared a little bit. Did my thing. Came back. And I guess was Roger in them 20, 2021, January 2021? Yeah. It was like, I think optic content was like, sort of back. And then, yeah, page had just moved here. Page just moved here. Form will move to I was like, what the fuck is going on? So that was, yeah, that was that time. Then we sort of got back on track.

When did you go from coordinating everything? Or like you were the guy coming up with ID. Are you still doing that? Like coming up with that idea? Yeah. I mean, we have like, Is it like everyone sort of will think of something and just like. Yeah, pretty much.

The meeting I missed 40 minutes ago was literally the video, optic video ideas meeting and our like content team sync. But it's like we kind of, we have a chat where we all talk about that. That's what you missed? Yeah. you're not in trouble yeah well that's angry at shit

but basically we uh like we will all come up with ideas and we have a slack chat that we'll just like throw ideas in so like big ideas a lot of times comes from you I feel like but just like everyday content shit

we kind of all just throw stuff in there and see what we can so we can come up with because it's hard to come up with an idea and also like make it fit like the timing of everything because if we have like a that would be really good with like the cod team

we can't like we don't have that much time with the god team so we can't like you know film a bunch of shit back to back to back but yeah shit's so hard bro yeah like the it's so coordinating of all of it is very it is weird it is so much it's very it's awesome to have like a team to all make videos and you can do so many different things with all these different people and that's why the podcast is so refreshing because there's different people on every time we talk about different things but to make a video that is like holy shit that could take off it takes so much effort and everyone has to be on board and everyone has to have the time it's so fucking hard to do that yeah to like purposely make a video that you think would be like a viral video

I feel like takes so much prep and so much like understanding and buying from all the creators to come and do it we just don't have content days that are that long I feel like where we're making stuff that we know we'll do well but if we want to to make a video that we think would go viral.

Like, that's going to take, you know, a week of maybe like five creators' time that we all need to, and we just don't have that. Like, there's watch parties every weekend. There's cod matches. There's just a bunch of other shit we have to do. And if we want to do something. And also, like, a lot of the stuff that we make has to get views. Like, they're either deliverables or they're working towards a deliverable or they're working towards something.

So it can't be a, we're going to try this. Because if it doesn't do well, that, you know, are views a part of deliverables? Like it needs to get 100,000 views or something? Is that allowed to be said? No, like they, like I feel like that can't be. But it being sponsored or whatever,

it's like we want them to look at our, the vid we did together and be like, this is brought to you by Mountain Dew and it has some good views. And corduroids. Which brings us the FICAS. The most amazing podcast. In the South. We're in the South, right?

Yeah, no, we're in the South. It's us and then Joe Rogan. I feel like I haven't heard shit. Random. I think I'm going to quit Twitter. I was going to say something about Joe Rogan, but saying something about Joe Rogan reminded me of Jordan Peterson.

Do you see the tweet? I posted of Jordan Peterson. doing a some kind of speech where he was crying yes about Olivia wild yeah yeah the amount yeah the amount of people that responded to that and we're just like you put that on Twitter yeah you're a fucking brave one dude I don't understand it I dude you want to hear some I literally so I saw that was an important I thought that was a good message for all I saw I saw it I saw it on your watch this is crazy I saw it on your Instagram and so So, this is a bad episode from Matt to be on.

Wait, why? Just because we usually don't talk about, like, stuff that could be controversial. I literally Google. I literally YouTube searched, like, why don't people like Jordan Peterson after that? Because I didn't want to, I didn't want to be hypocritical the way I, like, because I am, everyone is. But, like, I was like, I was like, I feel like he's so. like I've heard a bunch of things that he said that I think is really important towards men. So I,

that's what I've always thought was great. Even women as well. And so I was like, but I also didn't want to, but I hear the same thing about Andrew Tate. Like he's like good about good towards men. I wouldn't put them on the same right. Apparently they are on the same.

But that's, spectrum. That's why I was like, okay, I got to actually like, because I know why people don't like entertain. I don't really know why people don't like Jordan Peterson. It's all political.

It's all like his political shit. It's shit that I got into Jordan Peterson without knowing any sort of political fucking whatever his views of this. All I would see is his like speeches on anxiety, depression, men who can't get out of bed, how to fix your life,

make your bed, clean your room, have your house straight. The little fucking steps that get you out from feeling like such a fucking loser. That's how I got to. That's all I knew him from. Right.

And so like I'll see eventually I'm I think I posted something like Jordan Peterson saved my life or something. I think I like read his book. But I was just like a big into Jordan Peterson. And then Hutch responded about and then Hutch responded about Jordan Peterson how he's just like I don't know what the fuck he said. But just like he's a piece of shit or something. I don't know. He didn't say that. But it was just that's sort of the response.

Then I was just like I. Huh? Like wait, what do you mean? And that it's like, yeah, it's political, the Canada government agenda with the Republican side of the blue pill is. And I'm just like, dude, this is, I don't fucking know what the fuck's going on with that side. But it's like, point being. It's like besides all of that other shit. Besides all.

Besides that entire fucking thing, the message that I got from him and how I got into him. And I didn't even know there's this whole other side of he says this stuff that people don't like. the video I posted, it was like basically the same thing of like how many men they're out there that just feel like complete losers. Like women consider them in cells. They don't have a voice. And like he's like how he's on their side and he can be he'll be the face for them. If so need be.

Dude, I have to go to your Twitter. I'm seeing that message like damn near making me cry. I'm like, man, there's so many men out there that have such shit lives. like I really pray that like they get they get their shit together like Jordan Peterson gives them hope and like I just saw it as such like a positive message and I the amount of people responding to that with negative shit saying this ain't it what do you mean this ain't it? Everything he just said Twitter for sure everything he just said in this video is it it is like it is trying to help people who are miserable depressed feel like fucking losers that women don't

like and he's trying to help them change their lives. That's everything. I go to like try to find his tweet and this is what I see. It's a picture of me from 10 years ago. But I just don't. And someone said Jordan Peterson. Someone responded and said Jordan Peterson tried to lower the age of consent. And Pierce Morgan tried or is just a piece of shit is a lying piece of shit who likes

to hear himself talk or something like that. And I'm just like, what, I don't, what does that have anything to do with the fucking video I just posted? Yeah. Like, how are you hearing that video and just like, damn, somebody tagged X? Poor representation for optic at heck. Like, what? I just, I posted, I posted a video about a man saying he will be the face of the men who women consider incels who are, who are losers. Jesus, bro, you got wrecked.

I haven't even looked at it. Don't. But it's just like, I don't, I don't get it. I truly don't get it. People are just mad. But like what I posted, people are saying like this ain't, people would respond and say like, this ain't it. And those are the tweet. The other stuff, it's like, okay, you hate Jordan Peterson.

So you hate the fact that I said anything or maybe made it seem like Jordan Peterson's good. See, there's a, I think. there's a difference, man. But someone responded... This is like crazy. I was like, someone responded with something. I was like,

can you like keep it in the context of which the video I posted? Like what he talks about in the video and how I think this is a good message. Like they're talking about, then he starts arguing with some other dude in the comments calling him like you're a red pill. I think it's...

I think the issue is short form content. I think that's the biggest issue. But I just don't get how people... How people can see that video. Because your feed. feed and not just think that was a good message and move on okay but you got okay i think i literally think it's all short form content is the biggest issue imagine there's um i don't know i imagine there's a woman who is a biologist and she is really powerful towards women and so women that are you know big

into science or whatever. On their feed, they get her talking about science about how you can make it in this industry. You gotta be a woman. But she also has another side where she absolutely hates redheads. They don't ever see her hating redheads. But on your feed, because you're a redhead,

all you see is her talking shit about redheads. So now two people have complete opposite opinions of the same person, but they're getting fed different things. I understand that. So there's a whole different, there's a whole side of Jordan Peterson, maybe he's something phobic or something this or whatever. Or maybe he said a few things that have been interpreted,

different ways to different people. And that's on the other side of something that you're not involved in, but it's still the same person. Completely. Completely disattached to. Right. I don't even know of that side of it. If you say you like someone.

I didn't even say I liked it. I just posted the vid. That's checkmate. You win. But I'm saying, if you post them, Obviously, I said, I post a VIN because I support what the Vids say. Right, right. And it's a positive message in your lane.

That doesn't mean that there are people out there that don't get fed that or they can't, they can't compute that. They don't know, like, you know, like, it's not like maybe men's mental illness is nowhere in their life. Like, they don't, it's not that they don't care about it, but they just don't register it. They are, they care about these things. And he is against these things, so they hate him. Yeah. And I think it's just like, it's very hard to get that, but keep that for when people are talking about that. You can't say that.

But it's just not. It's just not. If you dislike someone that much, it doesn't matter what positive thing they say. It doesn't matter. Yeah. Like after that, I was like, I think, like, I don't think I've signed back in sense. I was like, it's kind of just not like a, I'm getting mad at their responses. I want to argue with them.

have it's it's almost like a disappointment like dude like the amount of time that people put in to hate to hate or to dislike will always trump you being like oh that was a good message i'm gonna i'm gonna share it it is a good message and i'm gonna share it the person who reads all of jordan peterson's books and watches all of his lectures in order to pick out the bad parts or watch all of his political commentary because they hate his political commentary they're going to know way more about that shit than you being like, you know, he's helping men's mental illness. Like, this came up on my feed. I'm going to share it. They're going to hate it so much more. I've learned it just like, if I like it,

I'm going to post it. And then I'm going to just go this way. That's a good way to do. I'm not going to see the responses. Not going to, you guys can, I don't want to argue on Twitter with my day. I'm going to reply to your tweet. I don't want to argue on Twitter with my day.

I think it's a positive message. So people should take it as that. It doesn't matter what the fuck I post, to be honest. Like I posted a video of saying like, you know, I'm like all pumped up. I just put, I just replied to it and said, whoa. Jesus Christ. I'm all I'm all pumped up in the gym and I posted like go workout twice a day. Discipline yourself for 60 days.

Fucking. People like, I forget what the fuck I said. but it was like a video of me working out and shit and then just like people are responding shitting on that like yeah they have work they can't do that I look the same as I did two months ago I'm wasting my time

it doesn't matter what it doesn't matter what the fuck just stream if there's nothing you can do about if I say I'm happy if I say I'm happy and I'm trying to encourage people to this is how I did it fucking do this let's get let's get our lives together fuck yeah to the moon it's like fuck it's like fuck you

if I say I'm sad I'm depressed I'm a loser you're a fucking lazy pussy like you're irresponsible you're a loser like it does everything's just it doesn't matter it doesn't matter

it doesn't matter it doesn't fucking nothing matters nothing matters surely so how political are you yeah I just sat here the whole time just like okay

You're just like, I'm trying to... You know who Jordan Peterson is, right? Obviously. Yeah. Do you pay attention to any of that? You're an Andrew Tate fan? I don't answer that. I can't say I'm an Andrew Tate fan.

I know who he is. I know who he is. Yeah, I know the guy. I feel like Matt doesn't... I've listened to some things. Probably does... I've listened to some things. Yeah.

I feel like you don't really care. Or maybe you do. Maybe you have a secret side of you that is all like politically and shit. Nope. You don't care about like president and voting? and there's too much other shit going on, man. That's what I'm. And everyone I know that is so into politics

is so mad all the fucking time. Yeah. They're never happy. Like I try so hard to like... Be happy? Yeah, every day is a good day. I'm not in that shit at all.

I'm happy to be here. And it's like, I can't afford that. Yeah, you can't afford that. Yeah, you can't afford any more of it. I don't need anything else. I got to figure something else out. Yeah. I'm so like indulged into myself as like,

dude, we got to figure something out. I can't be worried about what fucking We sound like such a standard White guys shouldn't have podcasts right now Have you ever seen those clips? It doesn't we If we were amazing at talking about that shit Then we'd get hate for that too

We're not good at talking about it We're gonna get a hate for it doesn't matter That's so true Matt's changing a camera Damn you got off the couch to change the camera How much time is anything else we can What would the people want to know about Matt know about Matt

how about let's do rapid questions favorite Matt has Matt has the best story ever but he can't tell on the pod and it's I can imagine it's the best story

and I asked him one time if he would tell it and he said no is there something fans would want to know what is it like working one day one day what's it like working for optic if this video

if this episode gets four likes Matt will tell the story Jesus, that's I want to know this story Matt's just like Yeah

Takes the video down This pod never went up I don't know It was weird Corrupted file Yeah What's your favorite food What the hell

Filet A fillet That's the best podcast in the world Damn Because Matt's a podcast Listen Right now The one I listen to a lot

Is The Yard for like and then also I don't know who that is Andrew Shult's podcast he's not even not fucking good yeah they're average

what's your favorite video what's your favorite video to edit? It's a good question favorite video to add like did I've ever edited or like one that I've ever edited yeah we did one that was a like shooting video with the cod team

we went out and shot the snipers and stuff that video was really fun to edit it was really hard but it got taken down but that was really fun to edit and then normally it got taken down yeah it got to damn we weren't allowed to upload that but by a YouTube or a sponsor I think it was like CDL rules

and shit we're not allowed to use real guns but it did really and it was sucked too because it did really well and then they were like hey you can't upload that we take it down but that was really fun and then the vlogs are always kind of fun depending on what we're doing but I like the pot like the flycast like editing because I don't listen to it.

That's good. So I can listen to the pod while I edit it. It's technically your favorite podcast. Yeah, no, yeah, 100%. Finally, finally. Finally, somebody. CJ edits is now, though. Yeah.

I don't know it's anymore. Dude, I've been like antsy this whole time because I've just uploaded for the first time in forever. Yes. And I've been, fucking video. I've been fucking answer. Fuck, what was I going to ask you about that?

What, do you want to go check the numbers on it? Yeah, I'm just like constantly. Like, I haven't... The numbers were good when I check. Like, it's gonna do better than your Pokemon bid. It's our Friday probably done better than that fucking video. What was... I have another meeting in two minutes, boys.

All right. You've paid your dues for oversleeping. I want to ask... Everybody. That was the... Electric... This was last notice. Yeah.

Page. Thank y'all for having me on. I appreciate it. Page next week. We could get page next week. Yeah, this was... fucking roast her ass. This was a last

minute. See, usually I come here prepared with notes and shit. I look into his background, his family. Paige sits down. So, do you like Ben Shapiro?

Paige? What are your thoughts on Jordan Peterson? She has no fucking thoughts. She would be like, who? What are you guys saying? Fuck, what a,

so Hitch just put out, and then we'll wrap this up. Hitch put out. I don't want to butcher the title of it. I ran a marathon with no training it has almost

3k likes with 7.5k views really yeah this video is gonna do well oh that makes me so fucking happy um my comment got one like and one hour ago

I'll go like it so yeah it's a 2 out of 10 a 2 out of 10 if you're new here or live on or a rock. Hitch walked. Well,

he ran. It's in the title. I ran. He ran by the title. 20, how long was it? 30 miles. 30 miles. If you could do it again,

what would you do different? What mistakes were made on this fucking trip down the side of the highways? If I could do so. Through alleys, no sidewalks. I saw watch the vid. The vid was pretty good. the vid was good

and I gave it a thumbs up I enjoyed it these are the videos we need yes it's the videos I want to start oh big T commented really yeah

yeah no people see I'm just so like overwhelmingly happy because I think I think after vision stopped like that feeling of uploading something that I put my all into kind of like it was like when you stream you just get on your stream you get a stream highlight

video you know your editor works on it you see what your editor does and then you're like cool but like when true and i started working on these like tST videos these big ts ts t videos i'd put my all into them and then like you know work on the thumbnail and the the the you know the actual like steps to achieving a good video was like what I really love to do and like the whole process of that

and checking the you know checking the analytics afterwards and you know trying to tweak things I love that shit and I never did that for my personal vlogs or my personal channel ever so like this video was the first time I've really done that

so I'm like super happy like super anxious to like is there anything I would change I don't know if there I don't I don't know if there's anything I would change. More gels? You didn't really keep track of like what you were eating in the vid. Yeah.

See, I put it in the script and I said, I said at one point I like, I ate both my peanut butter. I ate both of my peanut butter sandwiches. But like you don't want to, I think it's like 18 minutes. You don't want to make it like a 25 minute video because 18's already pushing it. Yeah. What else did you eat? You had like the running gels. The peanut butter and jelly

Peanut butter sandwiches and then I had Like three like bars like three protein bars like three protein I feel like that would not be enough I would be starving Dude what or maybe you'd be so exhausted you're like I don't even let the ultra runners eat is crazy Like that's it's they like eat like mashed potatoes and they like slurp it down and then They'll have like seven jelly and shit yeah that's that's I'm just, I don't know. I feel like ever since I've done that, like, it gave me so much purpose for one day

that now I'm like, I want to do something like that again. And like working on the video has been so much fun. It's something that I never, like, vlogging was so awesome. But it was so like you do it, you record yourself for the video and then you put it out and that's it. But you don't dedicate multiple days to the process of the video making. I've never done that for my personal stuff. And so like doing that and then putting it out and then, you know, people, people have been receiving it really, really well.

So. Well, we'll go. I'll go let you check out your analytics. Go watch the video guys. If you, well, this will be out in a couple of days, I'm sure. Yeah. Go check out the vid if you haven't. I ran a marathon with no training. The thumbnail is amazing. I got a step. Well, I looked at that thumbnail. And then I went back to. my viz like my not only are the this amount of not only is this amount of views the lowest I think I've ever gotten on a video the thumbnail's bad it's like dark

can't even hardly see my face that is honestly better if a video does bad and you can figure out why it did bad is so much better than making an amazing video and not knowing why I'm like the video's average as far I'm not experienced bad. I was, even before I uploaded, I was like, this ain't gonna do too well.

But then like, I think the thumbnail was bad. The pictures I told them, I chose. It's just dark. Yeah. Fucking no one really knows who Mike O'Hern is. That's gonna be from the Cod space. Even the one before like hot yoga. It's like you barely see me. Just the lighting's never that good. Then you have one with scump in the thumbnail. And it's just fucking, of course that does well. Yeah. And then even my other two were just like pretty good thumbnails did well. I'm just, I was, I was very, very nervous to stop vlogging and try something new on my channel. And it's only been an hour.

It's fucking killing it. But as of now, I think it's doing pretty, pretty well. Yeah, it's doing really well. I'm really happy about that. All right, guys, thank you so much for watching. Oh, album. Do you have one? Also, did you listen to the Skrillx one?

Yes. Yeah, I was actually, I had the Skrillix one like just being. played. That's so good. The Skull X one was good. What was that called? Don't get too close. Don't get too close. Yeah, that was pretty good. I must say we're gonna keep it in this sort of same genre because

this is what I've been listening to. Actual Life 3 by Fred again. Dog, if that's the album I think it is, I have been playing that album non-stop. I've been listening to actual life, actual life. This is the red one. I haven't listened to that yet.

Dude. The third song on that is amazing. Okay. So we're going to listen to Actual Life 3 by Fred again. Emac Craig. There we go. Play that outro music and shouts out to corduroys. Peace.