The Flycast - TWITCH FINALLY DID IT, EVERYONE’S LEAVING | The Flycast Ep. 51

Episode Date: September 28, 2022

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Starting point is 00:00:00 All right, Matt. I'll see you my brother. I appreciate you setting this up for me, dog. Oh, yeah, big bro. We'll see you next time, all right. Appreciate you. We'll see you when you get back to the, when I get back to the studio.
Starting point is 00:00:12 I'll see you when you get back there. Yeah, I'll see you, bro. I'll see you, Matt. Well, I'm out. Jesus, man. He can't ever leave fast enough. It's just like he wants to. It's like he wants to be in it.
Starting point is 00:00:23 He just stands. You guys can't see, but he like stands behind the camera with his headbands on, just smiling. It's like, hey man It's like kind of it's like hard to do this When you're just behind the camera Like smiling Yeah
Starting point is 00:00:50 And he always asks like if we need anything Like I know I brought my own drink Yeah Yeah I brought my own drink man Like Kick rocks kid Uh anyways
Starting point is 00:01:05 Anyways What episode Are we on 400 50 The last episode I think was episode 50 Really? Yeah, because we always make the joke,
Starting point is 00:01:14 and so I never, like, actually look. It had 50 episodes in five years? 50 episodes in two months, right? Oh, yeah. Something like that. Yeah, two months. Damn, not the Nadia Warzone cheat. It only got 55K views in one day, I guess.
Starting point is 00:01:35 The cheating shit kind of fell out. Oh, shit. We got 55K in a day. Yeah, hell yeah. Wait, what's our title? What's our title? I meant to text the group chat and be like, yo,
Starting point is 00:01:45 we have to say like Nadia cheats. Oh, no, whoever made the thumbnail, it looks like she's on the podcast with us. Really? Yeah, like shout out clickbaiting and shit.
Starting point is 00:01:54 Wait, get scammed, guys. What's our title? Nadia cheats. Addressing the war zone cheating chaos. And look at the, look at the thumbnail.
Starting point is 00:02:03 No, that's a good one. It's a good one. It's a good one. Whoever did that. Yeah, I was going to text a group chent and say, like,
Starting point is 00:02:09 hey, we got to put this in it. that's a fucking imagine if like we actually had her on the podcast she did a podcast with Jake uh Jake Lucky oh yeah yeah yeah I saw clips of that I saw clips I didn't I didn't watch the whole thing I should I should have watched it but we're only on episode 50 and it's like it's so is there any popular I was talking about this with my stream is there any popular podcast that it's just the same people every single podcast I feel like you need guess.
Starting point is 00:02:44 Tiny meat, small meat, gang. That, that one. Actually, no, they started having guests, too. Cody Co. And everyone fucking has guests. This shit's hard to fucking do. Cody Co. and his, and his duo.
Starting point is 00:02:57 Like, imagine if we actually did an episode every week since we started. It's like, what? I mean, we'd be on episode like a thousand. I know, but like, what the fuck? What would we talk about? What's there to talk about? I mean, there's always shit. I mean,
Starting point is 00:03:11 this week the story writes itself this week well I think this this is on you for this one I mean a lot of shit happen what's one what happened
Starting point is 00:03:24 Twitch band Because I'm gonna Twitch band who Gambling Oh yeah I saw that Twitch cut Twitch cut from 70 30
Starting point is 00:03:32 back to 50 50 Now doesn't that only kick in if you After a hundred K 100,000 Yeah I saw some people tweeting Like are you fucking kidding me?
Starting point is 00:03:44 And I was like, I don't think you're I don't think you're having this problem It's like I if I If I'm like consistent It's like I might have that problem We'll see But it's like I don't think you're This affects you
Starting point is 00:04:01 I mean it kind of sucks for Yeah that's a fucking lot It's crazy Yeah Because we have to split it between three people Yeah It's a big cut for us. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:04:12 I mean, and you guys are streaming every day eight hours a day. So it's like that's... Now, I can definitely feel it for... I mean, XQC is going to kick in next week. Today. Yeah, it's going to kick in today. Yeah, it doesn't start till next summer, though.
Starting point is 00:04:27 Actually, the thing is, is people keep saying for like the XQCs and the Nick Mercs and things like the, and like, and for the streamers like that, that they're going to kick in, but... Or that they're going to go back to 50-50. Dude, those guys are... signed to Twitch. There's no way that they're getting 50-50.
Starting point is 00:04:45 Like, yeah. Castro and Nick and and XQC and Hassan and there's no way those guys are getting 50-50. There's no way. But for the rest of us, that got like grandfathered into the 70-30 stuff, like the only reason we got it is because of the
Starting point is 00:05:00 optic back in the day. Yeah, same. Yeah, that shit's going to kick in eventually. And it's going to affect, I mean, those people have it. They've gotten it so good over the past few years that it's like they're fucking not that they're not to be like all they're set for life who gives a fuck but it's like they
Starting point is 00:05:19 when you have 60,000 subs I understand that it's gonna take an insane amount of money out of their checks or whatever but it's like for the people to where it's like this is literally their income yeah and like they don't have these crazy sponsor deals they're not literally partnered with Twitch it's like those are the people that it's gonna kind of like fuck oh it sucks Switch has been good to us, TST-wise, because they've brought us a few, like, front-page streams and, you know, and, you know, we're, we're, like, the billboard for some of their sponsors, for, like, some of their, like, sponsor campaigns, and those, those are really good to us. So, I'm not too, you know, strong up about it, because as long as Twitch still, like, puts confidence into TST to, you know, sell whatever their, you know,
Starting point is 00:06:09 their sponsor campaigns are, then we should be doing well. You know, we used to rely only strictly on subscribers, but Twitch subs. But now, like, the YouTube channel is doing pretty well. Our subscriber count is back into a pretty stable spot. And then Twitch has been, you know, working with our agency to help or like to get us some good, like campaign. So that I am not too worried about it. but uh no it it but it is a it is a big hit for a lot of people that were in that 70 30 split and
Starting point is 00:06:45 and twitch is their main source of income yeah that's like something yeah thank god i got in the 70 30 split because sometimes i'd like do the math where it's like say 2,000 subs instead of like times two times about 3.5 and it's like damn this really does like especially like month after month after month it's like that really does make a big difference that shit adds up quick i remember i think it was either envoy or or shotsy i was like yo yo yo hitch like can you get me into the 703 shit yeah one of them is getting like 50 50 or whatever and i's like a lot of a lot of like anybody who's been partnered in like the last two three years like they're all getting 50 50 and then people be like how how do i get 70 30 and i'm like dude i i got lucky i don't i don't even know i mean i think
Starting point is 00:07:29 i got this in like 2015 or so yeah 2016 for sure like something It was brand new. But, yeah, I mean, so that'll be interesting. And people, it's crazy because, like, if Twitch, I think had a pretty big W or I would say it's a W about the, like, banning gambling. But, I mean, for some people's a big W. I might be on the different side of it. What do you mean by Big W?
Starting point is 00:08:00 Like, you think it's good for the overall human race? Like that kind of W? I would I don't know I don't know how I feel about the gambling thing But I'm saying from a public outlook From a PR stance as a W But then they go
Starting point is 00:08:15 Immediately to the Hey by the way You know gambling's gone But also You guys are going from 7030 to 50 50 50 so I feel like Why do you think they went from I do want to touch on the gambling stuff
Starting point is 00:08:28 But why do you think they went from the 7030 to the 50-50 Well, they put out like a statement about it. It all has to do with like cost of the running the website. Like whether the servers and all that and their staff and paying their business and stuff. I mean, they probably are looking at like we could like look how much more we would make. Yeah. But I don't even think Twitch is profitable.
Starting point is 00:08:51 So I think they're trying to, I think they're trying to break even. I don't think they're trying to. How are they not profitable? I don't. And I'm still almost confused with this business. business shit about like being profitable not profitable it's like I know the CEOs the higher-ups these guys are multi-millionaires millionaires so it's like where's this like where's the money coming from where's the money coming from where's the money going I'm
Starting point is 00:09:15 sure their staff is getting paid really well when Amazon Amazon buys Twitch Twitch that's when Twitch Prime comes out and Twitch Prime is free $5 for everyone monthly and that $5 is coming of some budget somewhere. Yeah. But it's not because it's getting paid to the creators. And now you have, how much money do you think? $5 a month off of Twitch Prime is probably like, I mean, how many people you think are using Twitch Prime?
Starting point is 00:09:49 Like 700,000? I feel like that's where most of my, well, besides maybe resubs or something, but like most new subs. Resubs are even, there's a lot of resub. Yeah, resub Twitch Prime. That's another five bucks. I feel like most of my subs are Twitch primes or just random gifted.
Starting point is 00:10:04 They're probably losing what, like $5 million. But they had to have gotten an insane fucking check from... Oh, for sure. I mean, they had to have. But it was definitely whenever Amazon bought Twitch, then Twitch Prime comes out. That was what, seven years ago, five years ago, six, six, seven years ago. 28, yeah, so I think five years ago is when Twitch Prime came out. right before gifted subs
Starting point is 00:10:31 and dude like you gotta think how many people are using it and how like how much money that is losing them I just don't care
Starting point is 00:10:44 I don't I mean I don't I know these guys are rich as fuck I know so it's like and I know Twitch is a huge successful number one YouTube hasn't passed Switch hasn't it but like
Starting point is 00:10:55 not for streaming number one gaming streaming platform it's like someone's making I just wonder I just wonder like did they really have to do it
Starting point is 00:11:06 or is just like a selfish yeah no I just don't understand business is so weird because someone's making a shit ton of money whether the company is losing money or like
Starting point is 00:11:19 think about infinite infinite biggest failure in e-sports history we did that shit I feel like we're talking about infinite every podcast but the higher ups at infinite those motherfuckers
Starting point is 00:11:30 we're cashing. Yeah. And it's not like when the business goes on, when the, when the company goes under, they don't give that money back. They still cashed out. Who's losing? Like who's? The investors.
Starting point is 00:11:41 The investors that put $20 million down, they don't get that money back. But they're just so rich that. I mean, that's what they do. But are they sitting there like, oh my God, this is 20 mil. Yes. Really? Yeah. But this is only like a select few people that are sitting there like, are you fucking,
Starting point is 00:11:56 you guys fucking choke. You think about like an investor that you got so much. much money that and I could be I could be fucking this all up too there's probably people that are like that all they do is like business shit and they're like holy shit these guys don't know anything but from my understanding there's like firms and stuff but I'm thinking I'm talking about one specific investor he puts 20 million dollars dollars down on your shorts company and he's hoping that you sell the fuck out of those shorts and eventually he'll get us 20 million plus more back if that business fails he's got a 10 million thing over here that it skyrocketed it's a 3d printing company and now that one's making a hundred million so he's getting his money back plus some so it's just a game it's like checkers and chess with yeah hundreds of millions of dollars and i guess these guys are so rich to where it's like it's like 20 million to them is like me putting a thousand dollars in bitcoin and just like hoping it just hoping it goes well yeah well shit yeah i mean i think and i think that's where like the that's where like the
Starting point is 00:13:00 That's where the, for a lot of business, you're just kind of gambling with your investors. I wonder how they get into investing in something like Halo Infinite. Or do they invest into Halo Infinite or do they invest into 3-4-3? It would be some other. But 3-4-3 is owned by Microsoft or Microsoft works with, I don't know. I don't know how it works up there. I don't either. at that echelon.
Starting point is 00:13:28 But I just wonder if, like, someone, like, some dad's kid is a Halo fan. And he's, like, hyping him up. Like, trust me. And, like, he knows a few people that are Halo fans. And it's like, now, they've been working on this for, like, five, six years. And he's like, all right, I think this is going to be big. And then it comes out. And then you think it's going to be big.
Starting point is 00:13:51 But it's just, like, I wonder if they look at that. And they're like, they can't be devastated at that. at that point in their life I mean they're losing 20 mil but it's like who knows how much money they fucking have like I wonder if you think they're devastated or do you think they're actually sitting there
Starting point is 00:14:08 watching Halo Infinite just like quickly dwindle like hypothetically if you invested if you're an investor of Halo they're paying attention to it like oh my god this shit is tanking it doesn't matter how many things these big name investors like Mark Cuban he's probably invested in 200 things
Starting point is 00:14:26 or maybe more, I don't know but it's not like he knows everything he knows everything it's his money it's 100 it's tens if not hundreds of millions of dollars
Starting point is 00:14:37 of his and his company's money yes he's everyone knows what's going on that's like when I'm just surprised people would invest into Halo Infinite infinite I don't like I said I don't know if that might just be a separate
Starting point is 00:14:49 company shit all on its own I don't know how investment works like outside of entertainment like i almost it almost hurts me to say because like i know a lot of people that work on the game and but i feel like all i do is end up talking shit about it and it's almost like i can't believe they would invest into my friends over here fucking idiots oh man when is when is bt htch can't get some fucking respect a halo team yeah why aren't you why aren't you playing in that
Starting point is 00:15:20 halo three thing there is um well i was still on the fence about even going to Orlando. Literally just got my ticket last night. Oh, yeah. Still don't have a hotel. So it was like, they messaged me, I think a week ago. I didn't even open the DM. But I saw Heinz from, he works for 343 now.
Starting point is 00:15:40 He DM me. I didn't even open it because I'm a sack of shit. Like, God forbid I open it. He sees, I read it. I give a response of like, hey, not sure if I'm going. God forbid I do that. Why not I just ignore completely? He's considered the best teammate in Halo history.
Starting point is 00:15:53 Yeah, why would I? just a nice guy. Yeah, just doing his job. One of the nicest guy in Halo history doing his job. Like,
Starting point is 00:15:58 he's reaching out to me for a Halo 3 throwback. Everyone's going to love seeing it. So it's like, God forbid I show any sort of respect.
Starting point is 00:16:06 But I saw the DM and I was like, I was like, fuck, do I want to play in that? And like, I've talked to a few people I'm going to end up
Starting point is 00:16:14 hanging out with that Orlando. But you know how my events go. Is Bay going? Yeah. Oh, so you have to get your own hotel room. Yeah. Um, but you,
Starting point is 00:16:24 know how I get at events. Like it's gonna, we're gonna land Friday. It's gonna be a hotel bar. Mm-hmm. And then Saturday, I think I'm doing something with Optic, but it's just,
Starting point is 00:16:33 it's gonna turn into some like little mini adventures, probably a bunch of drinking. Saturday night, I think we're going with Sabas and his girl to some Halloween horror night. I'm sure we're gonna end up. Oh shit. You're going to Halloween horror nights?
Starting point is 00:16:47 Is that a big thing? Dude, that shit is so fun. Because I, it's dead ass so fun. I said that to Michelle and she was like, what? I was like, what the fuck?
Starting point is 00:16:55 No, Halloween Horn Nights is. I don't know what the fuck this is, but... You're talking about in Universal? Universal Studios? I don't know. Alexis and I went... The boss's girl just said something about it. Alexis and I went to that the year before COVID hit.
Starting point is 00:17:07 And it is so fun. It's like a... They were saying it was like a haunted house type thing. So they literally shut down Universal Studios, except for people that have like Halloween Hornite's tickets. And they have like 40... So like Universal Studios is like a... It's like...
Starting point is 00:17:24 It's a theme park, but there's also studios where they, like, shoot, like, movies and stuff and videos. And so they take all those huge studio warehouses and they turn them into haunted houses. What do you do? Just wander? No, so, like, you wait in line and then you, like, walk through the haunted houses, but they're all themed. So when we went, Stranger Things had just come out. And so, like, literally, there's, like, demigorgans off, like, it's like Hollywood-level, like, makeup. Oh, really? And there's in the there's like actors that'll jump out and scare you.
Starting point is 00:17:56 And then the music. So it's not a haunted house in Hagerstown, Maryland at like some cornfield. No, no, no, no. That's what I thought because I went to, I went to horror, carry horror fest or whatever. And it's a cornfield in Kerry, North Carolina. And there's a guy with a chainsaw. Yeah. And it's not that.
Starting point is 00:18:14 That's what I know of haunted house is to be. It's not that. And it's also cool because everyone's going on the, on the, um, going through the scary, what is it called? The haunted houses. They're all going through those. So the rides are typically
Starting point is 00:18:30 wide open. So if you want to ride, if you want to ride the Hulk 15 times, you can because pretty much everyone is going through. We can ride rides and shit. Yeah. It's really cool. It's the coolest
Starting point is 00:18:41 theme park experience I've ever had. Okay, well, nice. Yeah, we're going to do that. I mean, hopefully we can get tickets and stuff. I haven't literally just figured out all this stuff last night. But we're going to do that. Dan, who knows if we're going to, like, Sabah said some of his homies are going to be,
Starting point is 00:18:57 are going to, like, come up to Orlando. So it's like, who knows what it'll, might go to the club. And I just, I just know I'm going to, like, by Sunday, I'm going to wake up and just be like, oh, my God, this is the last. Like, I'm down to show up and watch the optic matches, but it's like, but it, it would also be cool to be in it. Stavis has been, like, the coolest edition of, like, or from, like, the merger. Like, he is such a cool fucking dude.
Starting point is 00:19:19 Yeah. Him and his girl are like, and they move. like they went all in too they were like oh yeah like optics we're going to be joining optic right now even his like best friend from miami moved down here with his best friend in his best friend's girl like they have their own place like they moved they were like you know it's we'll we'll try living in dallas as well when i uh when i when i when i figured out i was going to have like the the corporate role or whatever i started like uh like looking at all the talent from you know from envy and who was going to be merging and stuff.
Starting point is 00:19:54 And I didn't know, I don't, I didn't know much about like TikTok creators or vertical content creators. Some of his videos are kind of cringe, but it's like, it's the, what he's like, he's like singing his Spanish shit.
Starting point is 00:20:08 He has two. That's what, so he has his gaming TikTok that's like really big. And he spends a lot of time like him and his editor, his editor is really good. And so he also, he almost has like a million followers on that. And then when I was looking for him, I was like, wait, who is this guy?
Starting point is 00:20:24 Same name. And I was like, oh, shit, it's him. And it's a thirst trap, TikTok. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And I'm like, what the fuck? Yeah. I don't even want to say it's cringe because it's like, it's working. It's TikTok and it's working.
Starting point is 00:20:35 He's getting a million fucking views. Yeah. Just sitting there. All he listens to is like Spanish music. Yeah, like reggaeton. Regetone. Oh, that's, and like, he's like smiling, dancing. Him and George were friends before the merger.
Starting point is 00:20:50 Yeah, he was like One time I went on vacation And him and Blake was like Yeah, we're gonna play with these two like Spanish creators Blake was like I'm fucking down And it was him and his buddy And it was him and his buddy
Starting point is 00:21:04 That's funny I was like hell yeah, that's dope He's like he's really big on TikToks Yeah they're cool as fuck Like they always have like they're always smiling Like I walk in and he's like Hey what's up bro Even his girl is just like hi
Starting point is 00:21:16 Blake always said that about Optic It's like we're we're a lot of fun but everyone in Optic except for Seth is very like when we're together it's very like hey what's up man and then Blake's like comes in with all this energy
Starting point is 00:21:28 and he's like I don't know what to do with it and then like thank God for like Sevas comes in and he's like yeah yeah literally literally we need somebody to like that fire I mean yeah Seth I would say it's definitely the most sort of energetic
Starting point is 00:21:43 like even at the baseball game or whatever like Dalton Shultz the tight end for the Cowboys like comes up I see sadly, he's like, all smiles. He's, right. So that's so much, like, social energy. He does.
Starting point is 00:21:55 And I just feel like the rest of us are very. We're like, yeah, like, what are you? What's that, man? And it's like, do we got to, like, is it, do we think we're cool or something? Like, what? For me, it's all anxiety. Yeah. Same.
Starting point is 00:22:08 I don't think I'm cool at all. Yeah. For me, it's like, I'm not really drunk enough to, like, go be to start doing my roundabouts of, like, to where. Yeah. Like, say I'm at a cot event, like, you're, the cod bar or the hotel bar at some cod event and like you get to that point of drunkness where it's like you sort of just start wandering i see tj haley and i'm like yo what's up well i would never like i just didn't have the fucking but like unless i'm at that point it's sort of like
Starting point is 00:22:34 i'll sit here and just enjoy my maybe say what's up but yeah we're all sort of like that um so yeah we're gonna be hang out with them and then i don't know we'll see sunday maybe i maybe i fucking should open the DM and see if I can get in that. They did want me to be a part of it. And it would be fun. I think it's Halo 3, right? You'd have to be in analysis. It might be too late now.
Starting point is 00:23:00 It's definitely too late. Yeah. It's triggers down versus instinct. It's already. Oh, really? It's already been announced. Yeah. Who's the teams?
Starting point is 00:23:12 Oh, would they have wanted, maybe they didn't even want me to play? That's what I was. Uh, oh, fuck. now. I'm definitely not fucking comment. Actually, commentating might work out better. Yeah. Because I could go there. So it's Best Man, Heinz hysteria snip down versus
Starting point is 00:23:30 Elamite lunch, neighbor Walsh. Nice. Instinct triggers. Okay, yeah, I for sure wasn't playing that. Yeah. Oh, that'll be fun. Maybe they, well, shit, maybe there is an opportunity then. Because usually how I do it is wake up. I end up being hungover from the night before, drink a little bit, head down to the venue, maybe grab another drink.
Starting point is 00:23:55 So it might be fun to, maybe commentate or something like that. That might be fun. We'll see, though. I for sure I'm not playing then. No. Or maybe they were trying to get me to play. Maybe they wanted BTH
Starting point is 00:24:08 and then they settled for Walsh. Me, Clutch. I don't know who else they'd get. No way Cloud or Demon D's. Yeah, they wanted Maniac, but I guess they had to settle for Walsh. maybe you might you might well this is this ain't gonna come out till after the event but you might see me up there we'll see maybe i should i'll open the DM um let's talk about the gambling
Starting point is 00:24:34 because i've literally had this tweet sitting here just waiting to say this this is i'm on this side of the game you didn't say the word horrors did you fucking zoom what is that what's talking about rogue what was it zoom is i don't have no idea. I just saw people like being mad at Zuma. Zuma went fucking rogue on the timeline. What did you? What did he do? He said, uh, they'll ban gambling, but they won't do anything about the Twitch horrors
Starting point is 00:24:58 or something. I was like, come on, Tommy. It's funny because I kind of agree with them. I mean, I don't think... People are going to call me soft, but like, I don't, I don't, I don't... I don't think the quote, unquote, horrors has... I don't think, I mean, I don't
Starting point is 00:25:18 really think they should... I don't know, there is a whole just they have a just chatting and they have a pools beach and something else so it's like what it it's not just strictly gaming. I think the basis of what Tommy was saying is 100% accurate. There are a bunch of creators that are making overly sexualized content for possibly underage viewers. For underage viewers. And I'm not saying. Young impressionable viewers.
Starting point is 00:25:48 I'm not saying girls in bikinis. That's not what I'm saying. because I date a body painter who paints her chest And she does it very well And I'm not saying you can't I'm not saying you can't Your girl is not on that level That's what I'm saying
Starting point is 00:26:04 And I'm not saying every girl that wears a bikini Or every girl that that you know Is wearing something that you know Is dressing up to look nice Are we talking about girls in bikinis In their apartment would a blow inflatable bowl? That is literally
Starting point is 00:26:20 almost licking or sucking on their microphone, you know what you're doing and you're doing it for a purpose. And I'm not saying, I think that's fucking insane. I think it's insane that it's on the, on the platform, but I do think it's crazy.
Starting point is 00:26:37 It's on the platform, the Twitch platform, which is, I mean, you just look at it like a streaming platform, but they're, I don't know, they have a whole fucking section that says pools, beaches, and shit like that. So it's like, obviously other content can be included. So it's not I mean you think of Twitch
Starting point is 00:26:54 You think gaming platform Of gaming streaming Which you don't think gambling Either Yeah So I think it's kind of a I think it's a win that That slots are off
Starting point is 00:27:07 Because I think poker is still I think poker is very entertaining To watch And so if you're gambling Playing against another person Playing poker I think that's So is poker band
Starting point is 00:27:18 No poker's not banned I think it's only slots in like blackjack stuff where it's completely random yeah blackjack though I think blackjack should stay in my opinion because there's skill involved with blackjack
Starting point is 00:27:31 and it's fun to watch people that are good at blackjack but but what I always thought was kind of like I don't know I don't even know how I got so popular I guess shock value is just people just click in click in slots because I can
Starting point is 00:27:48 I mean I've watched it and I don't give a fuck about gambling or watching. I can see how that would be hurtful or possibly hurtful for you know gambling addicts to watch. I don't like that some people
Starting point is 00:28:04 are sponsored by the shit and it's like they'll give them money to lose or win. It's very CSGO lotto-ish. Yeah so it's like if someone's going to lose I think they should be losing their money. It shouldn't be this money.
Starting point is 00:28:20 that they don't even give a fuck about losing. Yeah. And promoting it to people who have to use their own money. People should see the real pain. Yeah. If you're like, oh, you just lost 50 grand betting on one slot. But it's not stake.com's money. It's actually your money.
Starting point is 00:28:37 Yeah. The. No. For the for the whores, I don't, I don't know. I don't really, I don't know if I have an opinion on it. I, there's, I don't think it should be a deceit. discussion of like the think of another word
Starting point is 00:28:54 beside whores I don't want to just keep saying whores because I truly don't give a fuck what people do on the I mean whenever I said the word or the sexually explicit he should not have said that word for the sexually explicit streamers on Twitch I don't know man
Starting point is 00:29:09 I don't really think it should be on there but I really don't care I think what Tommy was saying has a little bit of meaning or has a has some fact behind it too he said like if if I didn't say the word whores no one would care what I just said, which is true. No.
Starting point is 00:29:25 Because if he would have said, what about the people that are sexually, that are being overly sexual towards possible underage viewers? No one would have cared. People would have scrolled right past that tweet. Yeah. But he said whores. And now all of a sudden, Hassan is looking him up on stream. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:29:44 And Jake Lucky's tweeting out screenshots of him. And people are talking about it. God damn. you look hot i'm a basketball jersey guy now last two podcasts have been this fucking cheap shit that i got from like an oakley shot i was like you know what i'll take those literally got three of them that's why i got these from i got these from a twitch stream really yeah um yeah people just don't even acknowledge his the point of his tweet because of because he said the word of the word he said if he said sluts it would have been the same thing and he was like i wasn't
Starting point is 00:30:19 talking about gender i was like you weren't talking about gender and i was like you weren't talking about gender And I understand what people were talking about coming back at him. Because, like, if you say the word whores, people are going to, people are going to assume, you might not be saying a certain thing, but a lot of your audience is going to say, is going to twist that. I bet you take Zuma, take anyone who responded and it was like, why would you fucking say that? Like, did Hassan or whatever saying? I think Brooke was the first person that said something. Besides a female.
Starting point is 00:30:53 And then Hassan comes or myth said something to him. Myth, Hassan. I bet if any of these people in real life, if you're having like a casual conversation, it's like, how the fuck, say I'm sitting there at some like gamer party. And I'm like, how the fuck did gambling get banned,
Starting point is 00:31:09 but the horrors on Twitch don't? Like, no one would fucking say, like if it was a casual conversation, yeah, like no one would say anything. But I mean, it is fucking different when you're just tweeting it to your 500,000 followers. And I think that's the issue.
Starting point is 00:31:22 The issue is. is not I know what Zuma meant because I know Zuma personally. Yeah. And I know I know I know brook and myth personally and I know at the end of the day if you sat them down on the couch together those three would have a very civil conversation because they're a lot more similar than they're than they are different. But their communities are very different. Yeah. Zuma Zuma embraced the CDL community and they're super toxic. I got fucking fuzzies all in my head. Yeah, kind of. And then you take the. You take that, you take the CDL YouTube chat and put them in a room together with offline TV, like that sort of LA 100 Thieves chat and they are very, very different.
Starting point is 00:32:10 So I think that's where they're coming from. That's where the argument is coming from. Yeah, you can't really say that publicly. Can't use that word. I don't know where I... I would never compare that to gambling. Where are you saying on the gambling? thing. The gambling, I stand on the gambling thing, I think people should take some fucking responsibility for what they do with their actions. If you get into gambling, you stream. I don't like the streamers that are like, almost throwing like a pity party. Like someone borrowed a bunch of money from people, lost it all. Another dude like lost his fucking savings. And it's like someone comes and like sort of like bails him out or it's like they're, they're, they're view.
Starting point is 00:32:53 worse would start donating to them or it's like something I don't like that shit I think everyone should have responsibility for their own shit this is what Snipe Down said he replied to Corinna Paul Dexterto tweeted something about Corinna saying
Starting point is 00:33:11 everyone's soft now and that's her perspective of gambling being banned on Twitch and Snitdown quoted that and said I agree with this you are responsible for your own actions people mess up then expect pity or play the blame on an outside source, then ignite the flames, and bring out the pitchforks to police others. How about people just do better themselves?
Starting point is 00:33:33 Crazy concept, I know. I don't think gambling should be banned. I don't, I mean, I don't disagree with what he said. I, I, there's a lot of, there's a lot of shit that, I, I, I wonder why gambling got banned. I think you should be able to sign up on a gambling website. I think most people probably use fucking VPNs to be in a legal. area or something. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:33:59 But I think you should be able to sign up on a gambling website, play slots, put your money in, and if you lose it, you lose it. And people can watch. See, but if it's, if it's banned on Twitch now, people are just going to go somewhere else and stream it. I bet you steak, steak could start their own streaming platform. Yeah. And it would blow up.
Starting point is 00:34:20 I bet you it would, especially if they got Drake involved. Yeah. Like, Drake's a steak partner. Like, if they said Drake is streaming. live on steak come watch like they would flock to that steak that i think it's a bad business move on twitch's part because i don't think that as many people are becoming gambling addicts because people are streaming it on twitch then people are just gambling addicts in general like i don't think it's encouraging i mean i don't think it's encouraging as much as there are other harmful things
Starting point is 00:34:56 I mean, I think there's definitely some negatives to it. Like, I would never think of playing, putting my money in slots until I see train wrecks or something streaming and doing it. Like, I'd be like, I didn't really know this would exist. Where'd I go? What's the website? And I would just, like, do what the fuck he's doing. But it's like, if I lose my fucking money, that is, like,
Starting point is 00:35:19 I'm blaming train wrecks for, like, influencing me to, it's like, no, like, that can't, like, you see. Hitch doing an Amsterdam vodka stream and I go buy Amsterdam Joddka, I drink, getting a wreck, fucking paralyzed neck down, shitting my pants. I'm not going to blame you or like, I don't know. I mean, it's a little different, but. It's not that different.
Starting point is 00:35:46 There's people. That's kind of my point. There's people that live in L.A. that do streams where they smoke weed. And it's like, just because one dude smoking weed on stream, like are you going to ban I'm assuming weed is not pan
Starting point is 00:36:02 Is that fair to Like say if you have an alcohol sponsor Or someone has an alcohol sponsor Someone's drinking on stream Someone's smoking weed on stream Someone's doing something It's like is that fair to compare What is different with that
Starting point is 00:36:16 Than like gambling? Gambling. It's like you're seeing someone do something It's influencing you to go do it It's legal in some places It's legal in some places Why I don't know I just don't think that person should be responsible or like yeah it's i think that and and granted this is i think this is i
Starting point is 00:36:36 don't think it's necessarily a bad thing that twit that gambling is banned i think it can even be a good thing in a lot of cases um i just don't know if it makes sense to ban that and not ban other things i just think banning that is like yeah it's almost like okay then what else right What else could be sort of... It seemed like they banned it because it was hot at the time. Yeah. Like... And everyone brought...
Starting point is 00:37:05 What happens in six months when no one's doing gambling streams anymore? And now you just banned it because it was hot. But it explodes somewhere else. And people are just going to go there instead. I don't know. Maybe they tried to fucking... Also, this gambling stuff is pretty convenient timing to announce their, like, the revenue split. That's what I'm saying.
Starting point is 00:37:27 Dude, here we go. I think it's a, it's a, because from a PR standpoint, people are going to talk positively about Twitch for banning gambling. And I think that's a good thing. How convenient. But at the same time they announced the 50-50s spot. How convenient when they decide to make one of the biggest decisions in Twitch and stop the 70-30 split to affect some of your favorite streamers. They also ban the hottest topic in gaming or in Twitch right now. Twitch in recent years, maybe ever.
Starting point is 00:38:01 Besides, I would say besides the hot tub streams. Yeah, besides hot tub streams and gambling have been like the only sort of issues, I think I've ever heard from like Twitch, but how convenient. Yeah, I guess to wrap it all up, I don't really, I don't really care that gambling is banned. I don't understand it, but I also don't think it's that, you know, I'm whatever about it. and I'm also whatever about, you know, uh, ASMR hot tub streamers.
Starting point is 00:38:32 I don't really care either way, but it does, I do understand both sides of both arguments. I really do. Yeah, I don't think either should be banned. Um, if I really thought of Twitch as a gaming, just, like just gaming,
Starting point is 00:38:46 I understand just chatting. But like people have turned just chatting into like IRAL streams. People have turned IRL streams in to go to the beach streams, be on a boat, streams, people are in bikini streams. Then that turns into fucking, okay, so we can be in a bikini if waters around. So it's like, where the fuck does it end?
Starting point is 00:39:02 Not really, how is that allowed? I can see why it's allowed. I don't, I don't even know. I don't know if I can see. And some girls have been banned that are like literally like going to work on the fucking mic. Those girls have been banned.
Starting point is 00:39:18 But there are also some girls that have almost to an art. threaded that line. Like walk that thin-ass line and they've been able to get around it. So. Yeah, I just say none of it gets banned. That's how I feel.
Starting point is 00:39:36 They just fucking hit shit hard. And it's like, all right, no more, no more bikinis, no more gambling. No more alcohol. I don't think they'll ever do that. I think they did, they did the gambling thing because it was hot. They didn't do the gambling thing.
Starting point is 00:39:48 It was perfect timing. I don't think it did it for any moral reason. I really don't. And then they did it because the biggest streamers on the platform were calling for it to be banned. And they made a statement and they went for it. And I think that's just where it is. I don't know.
Starting point is 00:40:05 I don't think gambling should be banned. Unless somebody at Twitch higher up has a family member that is, you know, that, that, that suffered from gambling addiction. And then they were like, you know, it's my call. I'm calling it. And then at that point, I get it. Hell yeah. Go for it. I mean, gambling's 100% an addiction.
Starting point is 00:40:25 It's a crazy addiction. It's a crazy addiction. I mean, I... And it can definitely ruin your life, but it's like, that's not... I don't know if that's how you should like... I've known people that have just... Just thrown away paychecks. Just clicking buttons.
Starting point is 00:40:42 And it's like, dude, man. It's a, it's a rough one. That gambling addiction, I always, growing up, I always, like, wondered why? Like, why is there a... line you know what i mean like there's no way people get addicted to gambling but dude it's it's it's it might be even worse than like some of like drug addictions that i've seen i mean it's definitely on the same sort of level yeah with how much it can fucking destroy your life luckily for me i never got into gambling because i've never won i've never felt the rush i've never felt
Starting point is 00:41:15 the rush in all i've done it's literally it's like if people are like yo let's go to the casino it's like mm i mean it's nothing there for me might as well drink. Yeah, I'm getting nothing out of that. It's like, I might as well go and like just like take $500, rip it up. Yeah, exactly. It's because the house always wins. Isn't that, isn't that the saying house always wins? Because it's true. You will never win. That's, you can win. You can win sometimes, but if you keep playing, you will lose. Yeah. Unless, unless you play the games where you can like actually play like, or it's actually like skillful. Just that fucking dopamine.
Starting point is 00:41:54 It's that one hit. You'll click that button 700 times. But if you hit that one, that's a jackpot, I guess that's what they're going for. I guess that's the dopamine rush. Yeah. That's wild. Never got into it.
Starting point is 00:42:10 Probably never will. Yeah. I'm, you know, I'm sobing shit now. Besides alcohol. Besides alcohol. Fucking weed and, like, I actually haven't smoked weed. And I've smoked weed.
Starting point is 00:42:22 weed once in I think three weeks. I think I'm giving up an alcohol. And that was every, I was smoking every night. Like, I was not a pothead by any means. And, like, people think I'm an alcoholic at this point, but, no, it's not. I still got control. It's just, I pick out certain situations. I definitely do drink too much just because I'm a fucking addict at heart, but.
Starting point is 00:42:48 Weed, though, I've pretty much quit. somehow. I think it's my newest girl, though. I don't know if that makes me feel better or worse. I thought I was going to feel great quitting weed. I, I, I was sort of,
Starting point is 00:43:01 I've never had an issue with, with weed at all. I've had an issue with, not like, for me, it was just inflating my laziness. Oh, okay.
Starting point is 00:43:09 Like instead of, instead of going to the gym, instead of like, eating healthy and just doing these basics, where it's like, all right, I know I mentally feel better if I do these things.
Starting point is 00:43:19 If I smoke weed, it's, Like, all right, now I'm trying to, I'm laying on the couch for a little bit. I'm high. I'm anxious. I definitely can't do it how I used to be, how I used to do. Because when I was like 18, I used to go to work. I used to smoke and then go to work.
Starting point is 00:43:32 And that was like a cashier dealing with people. I just like didn't care. I don't. Yeah. Then like all this like anxiety and like sort of like social anxiety. Like sort of. I had social anxiety as a kid, but it's like, I don't know if it's gotten worse, but it's just like I can't be high around.
Starting point is 00:43:50 around people really yeah um i used to yeah i i i i used to actually i it's crazy that you you get more anxiety when you smoke yeah because it i used to grow that's why i used to i used to smoke all when i was 17 18 19 20 21 i would say i smoked all the time really like it was like almost all day every day like it was pretty much all day every day. Like, I used to go to a party and I'm like, like a house party and I'm uncomfortable. So I smoke. Now if I did that, like a house party, I don't know no one out.
Starting point is 00:44:28 No one. I don't know anyone there and I smoked. I would freak out. Like, this is the most uncomfortable shit ever. See, like in a social setting, like, I think that's when like having a drink and like getting a little loose. Like that's when it helps me. But like if I'm like, because if I'm ever like freaking out like alone or like, you know,
Starting point is 00:44:48 like just in a casual setting, then usually, like, smoking a little bit, like really calms everything down. Some, the only sort of... I don't, like, do that. I don't, like, smoke to, like, watch a funny movie and eat. Yeah?
Starting point is 00:45:03 And eat pizza. Like, I don't... I think maybe one time in my life I did, but I only smoke now to, like, to, like, mellow out. I don't know if that's... I don't know if that's... I don't know if that's a bad thing.
Starting point is 00:45:16 No. I wish that. was my case. What's weird is I always felt like I was always like that and then my dad passed and then like after that like I was still I was smoking every day like kind of sort of all day throughout the day. Then my dad passed away and then when I started smoking it was like boom all those like all the fucking the sad like I was just so depressed so sad and it's like once I would smoke that
Starting point is 00:45:45 shit would sort of seem like it would like kind of spark it up a little bit. it. And I think I was taking hella Addy. I was just in a bad place at the time my dad passed. So it's like, then I started smoking on top of taking Addy. And I never felt this like crazy, anxious feeling before. It was like brand new to me. And I was just like freaking out. And then so I started smoking less and less. And then one night I smoked and just had a, like, I felt like I didn't even know what an anxiety attack or a panic attack was. But I started getting really bad anxiety while smoking. And I was like, all right, I need to like stop this. But I was like addicted to it because it was just something I did every day for years. Yeah. Then I went to the T-O-N, the Halo pre-land practice with all the teams and stuff and smoke there and smoke like, we were in a circle, smoked like two blunts. I hadn't smoked in like two weeks. And it was like shortly after my dad passed, I was just in a shit spot.
Starting point is 00:46:40 I was probably on Addy. And I just fucking freak the fuck out. I had my first full-blown panic attack. That's the one with like clutch was helping you. or whatever. Yeah. 16 hours of thinking my, like, heart was going to beat out of my, like, no sleep, just laying on the couch for, maybe not six, like, at least 12 hours straight. Like, it was so bad.
Starting point is 00:47:01 And then ever since I had that panic attack, I started getting panic attacks every time I would smoke. And then I, so I stopped smoking because I was like, holy shit, I don't enjoy this at all anymore. So I stopped smoking. And then I started having them sober. and I was just like, I was like, I'm going crazy. I actually kind of thought I was going crazy because I was also taking hella Adderall. I think at that time is when I started taking benzos
Starting point is 00:47:27 because I was like, you know, you go to a doctor after your dad passes. You're like, I'm depressed. I have so much anxiety. I'm freaking to fuck out. Like they're going to give you some sort of benzzo, like larazapam. So I started taking that and that's,
Starting point is 00:47:40 this was like 2011 when I started getting into that. And then I literally thought I was like going crazy for a while. Like I thought my, I was like, I was like, I felt like I was like seeing different. And I think it was the Addy and like not sleeping much, but I used to go downstairs at like seven, eight a.m. It was like, I need to go to the gas station, get food or something. I would look outside and it reminded me of Beetlejuice. If you've ever seen that movie, it was like, at the scuff house. No, in 2011 at my house. Like I was, I was even abusing Addy back then. But it's like, I like wouldn't be sleeping. I go downstairs like 7 a.m.
Starting point is 00:48:17 I'm like freaking out. I'm having a panic attack or like not, I wouldn't even say panic attack because I've had a panic attack and that shit was fucking awful. I would say like an anxiety attack. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like a lesser form. But I would go outside and it just seemed like I was in
Starting point is 00:48:31 Beetlejuice. Like I literally thought I was going fucking crazy. Everything just looked weird. And I was like, I'm turning into like a schizophrenic. Like it was I was, I don't know the fucking point of me saying all that. something about oh so since then in 2011 we'd like once I had my panic attack we just like flipped on me
Starting point is 00:48:54 to where it's like okay I no longer really enjoy this yeah um sometimes I'll enjoy it if I mean I would still like even recently I quit weed for a few years but even recently I was smoking like every night just because like I'll smoke watch TikToks for three hours yeah eat food and like that was sort of enjoying that was an enjoyment for me but besides that it's like once I had that panic attack I could no longer go out socially in smoke yeah it no longer
Starting point is 00:49:23 calm me down or yeah just made me uncomfortable I didn't even know I didn't even have like I didn't even know what like anxiety was really until after the scuff house until we moved here I used to play with this guy named Defi he was a
Starting point is 00:49:39 he was best man's like best friend they teamed together he was on carbon and shit at one point. But he told me he had panic attacks. And I was like, what the fuck does that even mean? And this was probably like 2010, like a year before I started having mine. I was like, I don't even really know what that. What do you mean you're freaking out?
Starting point is 00:49:57 Or like, because some people, they have panic attacks. They sort of just have to like stop everything and just like breathe and like, yo. Like I'm freaking out. I got to get off. Like we used to play like StarCraft two together. But I used to be like, like, what do you fucking mean? you're having, what is a panic attack? Yeah.
Starting point is 00:50:14 Just, you're not going to die. Like, just tell yourself you're not going to die. And it's like, but that is, once it hit me, I was like, I was convinced I was going to die. Yeah. I was like, I'm going to hold this L, not go to the hospital because I'm not going to be that guy. I'm just going to wait for my heart to explode on this couch. And that, that's how panic attacks will literally flip your mind into just like being so scared. When you're out of it, when you're out of it and you look back on it, you're like,
Starting point is 00:50:42 Like, what, like... Dude, it's fucking weird out of the mind flips like that. It flips. Because when you're in it, you're like, everything about life is over. Like, I'm freaking out. Do people around me even like me? Does anyone love me? Like, have I wasted all this time?
Starting point is 00:50:59 And you're just, it's like, bam, bam, bam. And then when you're out of it, you're like, what the hell was I... Like, why was I thinking all that shit? Bro, I'll even have... I've had moments like that recently where it's like, me and my girl will drink and then like we'll have like a pool day
Starting point is 00:51:15 have friends over or something maybe even like go out that night but we'll drink a lot and then like the next day I'm obviously feeling like shit my anxiety's high and like she might have to like go up and do something because she's just always fucking doing something
Starting point is 00:51:28 but just like random like an errand and I'm like I feel like shit but it's like in my head will start making up crazy scenarios like how long has she been gone like like and I'll just start thinking of what if she's like going to visit some guy fucking like she's been gone a while she said she had to do this it shouldn't take on she hasn't text me what was like were we in a weird spot like I shouldn't have said this
Starting point is 00:51:59 and fucking dude it's fucking insane and it's like that'll happen if I eat like shitty really shitty foods and like drink and then I'll just and then I start crashing and I'll just brain literally flips starts making up fucking scenarios and then like today like I even sort of had a little bit of that last night I just felt like I was in like a weird mood and and then today I wake up and I'm just like listening to music like she comes in from these errands she had to run and it was like oh it was like so nice to see her and I was like happy but it's like fucking the night before I was just thinking the most negative like and I was like how...
Starting point is 00:52:40 It's insane. Within 12 hours, my brain completely flipped because, like, this bullshit sort of got out of my system. I chucked a bunch of water and it's like... I drove home. I'm in a good mood. That's the biggest reason why I stop fucking taking that evil-ass drug. Because when you're on, Addie, especially when you're crashing, you feel like a... Feel like a different person.
Starting point is 00:53:06 You feel like a completely different person. I always felt like the kind of... psycho yeah not psycho but like almost like a very and then you wake up the next day and you just feel guilty like a soft schizophrenic of yeah like i don't like i'm making shit it's completely making shit up that's not even close you would like to exist look at the look at the text you sent people the day before and you're like who was that i don't even know who that was it's like the weirdest fucking see me it's like i don't even text i don't even like let that shit come out i just bury inside I'm like, I don't know.
Starting point is 00:53:40 I don't trust myself that I'm even in the right head space to even trust, even if it's like, hey, we should talk about this or it's like, like, I'll be telling myself like, we should, like, I should say something or something. But I just like don't trust the mindset that I'm in to even like, should I even? It's like, I got to wait until I'm in like a decent mindset to even like think about saying something to someone because I don't even trust the mindset I'm in. Yeah. because right now it's just like it's just completely negative but it's fucking insane how it just flips like wake up the next day
Starting point is 00:54:19 and it's like oh you know what and then you have all these like quotes or like sort of like everything I'll be alright like I'm blessed blessed to be alive and it's like this is like I'm actually like super blessed this is great like but when you're in that negative mindset
Starting point is 00:54:35 fucking none of that comes to your head None of that will seep through. None of that fucking works. Just a fucking little devil, little demon. I got a question. What's up? What happened to our Valerite team?
Starting point is 00:54:52 Dude, what a shit week. I truly don't really know, to be honest. What a shit week. I don't know how that, I don't know how it works. So Valerant apparently Riot is a little different than franchising and other, and then in Blizzard e-sports, because this is the third time. fourth time we've been involved in like franchising like with the infinite with the infinite transition we knew we were going to franchise we had a league of legends team um and then we knew
Starting point is 00:55:22 we were going to franchise and call a duty eventually and and we franchised an overwatch with the houston outlaws so like i kind of knew about how franchising worked but in blizzard games you have to pay for your spot you have to get accepted and you have to pay for your spot in riot games, which is League of Legends and Valerite, they have to invite you and you just get in From my understanding and then they expand, but you still have to pay all obviously all the player salaries and the staff and so it's not like an easy It's not an easy thing So we we are applying to get into the Valerite league we have the number one team in North America. We have the best player in the world on our team
Starting point is 00:56:04 We have who's that yay Yeah We have you know one of the best coach of all time one of the best shot callers of you know Marv is fucking insane Crashies and Victor is one of the best duos that I mean they're they're like a pair they're a duo and they're insane together we win we win a tournament we come in second to one of the biggest rivalries and biggest storylines and in Valerent us and the Brazilian team loud and you know it's pretty respectable a
Starting point is 00:56:36 A lot of respect between the two fan bases. Roger and Austin Cox do an amazing job with the Valerant content. I mean, one of the processes has like 400,000 views. I worked, you know, it's really sad because like everything that we did for the pitch, like I wrote the creative brief for the deck that goes to riot. Aaron works on the fucking camos. Omen's develops the
Starting point is 00:57:10 gun buddy that's going to hang off the gun. That's the public perception... Didn't we have the most views? Or like the most... The highest viewership or whatever. The highest viewership. And a lot of that... The most consistent placings.
Starting point is 00:57:25 Shout out to the Brazilian fan base. A lot of that has to do with the Brazilian fan base. And they pick... And it sucks, because it's hard, it's hard not to, not to angle all the frustration and all the sadness straight to riot, which is what we, which is what I'm trying to do and not angle it towards the companies that did get in, like the orgs that did get accepted because then you compare yourself to those orgs and they didn't, they didn't ask to get the, I mean, they did, they
Starting point is 00:57:54 applied like everybody else did. Exet applied, G2 applied, TSM, we did. They all, we all got denied. And so then you look at the teams that did get in and you're like what did we do differently? Isn't it? Differently. 100 Thieves Cloud 9. Sentinels. Sentinels. Energy and EG. I thought Sentinels was
Starting point is 00:58:17 energy or am I tripping. You're tripping. Okay. Wait. Sentinels is complexity. Sentinels energy and who? Or Sentinels is partnered with complexity I think. They used to be or something like that. I don't know. Sentinel is energy and who? EG.
Starting point is 00:58:32 Evil G. I'm gonna be completely honest I didn't even know they had a Valorant team I'm gonna be completely honest and it's not fair It's gotta what the fuck is it then It's not fair to say that because I'm not trying to talk shit about that organization because they didn't ask for it Well I mean if they if like they
Starting point is 00:58:51 I mean unless I mean I don't know enough so it's weird for me to speak on it But it's like they should sort of understand Like they should almost be sitting there like I don't know Sorry but Sentils is a no-brainer. They have the biggest viewership in N.A. 100 Thieves, I would say, I would say us and 100 Thieves are on par.
Starting point is 00:59:12 Because 100 Thieves has huge viewership. They have one of the biggest names in, or they have some of the biggest names in Valorant. But also, we have a lot of really big names. We are hitting content just as hard, or we were trying to hit content just as hard as thieves did. and you know
Starting point is 00:59:34 our placings were just really good we had really good placings we were a threat to international teams and they so I thought that it was going to be
Starting point is 00:59:46 us and thieves but I mean the fucking the EG and the energy and the EG pick I mean they that shit blindsided me I feel like it's
Starting point is 00:59:57 it's gotta do something with favorites but I also don't fucking know but it's like it's like Like there's some sort of connection or... So the public perception right now, which we didn't even get at... At least I don't know if the higher-ups at our company got, you know, told why.
Starting point is 01:00:13 But I haven't heard. But the public perception right now is EG has a... EG has a League of Legends franchise spot. And so does. I don't know if Energy does. But E.G. has a League of Legends spot, which is Riot. and so they're like well they haven't done anything you know they haven't fucked this over in league of legends so i don't know optic is it it it who knows who knows what it is optic
Starting point is 01:00:45 optic is not raised in uh tactical shooters i mean we had a counter strike team that did very very well one time in history um we had a league of legends team that had a really really rocky path because of all of the infinite shit that happened and then they got sold to immortals and all that shit and maybe there's a sour taste in the mouth from that but why blame why i mean we're putting so much fucking effort it's it's like it's like apples and oranges comparing the the league of legends days to now i mean we're dedicating so much fucking time to to this team we had a videographer there for a month and a half in istanbul like am awesome we almost When was the last time you even saw Austin Cox?
Starting point is 01:01:30 Oh, that's where he fucking went. He got back today. I'm not going to lie. I saw him post a frowny face, and I was like, damn, some shit's been going down with, like, his, that was his team. Me with the, with the, me with the Cod team in For Vision Days, that's him. That's where he's fucking been. Like, those guys. Those guys hang out with Austin all the time.
Starting point is 01:01:51 And the thing is, is we did everything. Not only did, not only, in my opinion, did, did we do. what we were supposed to on the, on the fucking content side and the sales team and the corporate side, they did what they were supposed to. The players did more than what they were asked. Top three at every international.
Starting point is 01:02:11 One one got second place at Worlds and got third place at the other one. It must like there's nothing. What the fuck could they have done differently? And now you're breaking that team apart and they're going to get sold this way and that way and some of them are restricted free agents, some of them are free agents they can go wherever they want
Starting point is 01:02:29 who knows if they're going to get a team who is chet going to coach for what what position imagine chet gets a coaching role at a team who is on a franchise spot now that coach doesn't have a role he didn't ask for that shit like what you're breaking up like a what was a
Starting point is 01:02:47 perfect situation for you know obviously I'm biased but for what seemed to be a perfect situation for for Valerette as a whole. You see Shrout up there in a fucking optic jersey
Starting point is 01:03:01 Terrick. Terrick is bigger Terrick has more viewership than Valerite does. Valerent will have 80,000 viewers on their match and Terrick will have 130 and Terrick has history and optic.
Starting point is 01:03:16 Like, I don't fucking understand why would you want to get rid of us? I don't get it, man. It's frustrating and in past, in past, life hitch,
Starting point is 01:03:28 2018 hitch, I would have been throwing a fucking shit storm and bitching and moaning and griping. But nowadays,
Starting point is 01:03:36 like just knowing how much effort went into everything Valorant, like I'm just sad more than anything. I'm fucking heartbroken, especially with, I mean, think about Hastro. Hastrow built this team in Envy.
Starting point is 01:03:47 He went out and found each person, got their buyouts, bought them, built this team from the ground up for envy. The optic merger happens. and then finally the fucking success happens
Starting point is 01:04:00 and now they're gone. It's fucking sad, man. It is very, very sad. So how many NA teams are in it? Five. How many? So before it didn't work, this year it didn't work like that at all.
Starting point is 01:04:16 Was it just like the best teams? It was just how CWL used to be, is how HCS is now. Okay. It's just if you have an org and you can pay for a team, you get them in. So all the basic, pretty much these five teams that made it say energy or fucking, I don't know, not the best or I don't know who would be not the best out of those five. But it's like those players are probably like, it's like, oh shit, we, they picked us.
Starting point is 01:04:46 But it's like, wait a second. We're getting fucking dropped. Yeah. Fuck. Holy shit. The best player in the. These orgs don't give a fuck. The best player in the world is on the market right now.
Starting point is 01:04:56 People are trying to get him. What the, like, Marvde is insane. He's one of the best, he's one of the best players on the map for sure. Top three player on the map, any map. So these players are probably fucking, what are they going to do if they're not in this league? They're going to play in a challengers league called Ascendant, I think. And it's like their pro, their amateur league. Is it pretty much like challenge?
Starting point is 01:05:27 Like it's not going to be another HCS sort of. No. Dude, that's fucking like these players, these orgs are hyped. But they're going to fucking. There's probably so many good players that aren't on those teams. They're hype. But like also on the other side of it like, cheese, they're about to spend so much money. Imagine how much money like.
Starting point is 01:05:52 Sentinels is about to spend. Fucking tens and Shazam and they just got rid of shroud. Imagine they get yay. I mean, that's fucking, dog, that's like millions of dollars just in salaries every year. And like, how are you getting that money back? I don't know. It's fucking, I am, I am fucking sad. I'm heartbroken.
Starting point is 01:06:12 We had the calls this morning with our sponsors like, hey, I know you paid for this spot. And it's like, this shit goes into everything. Some of our sponsors paid for. a spot on the Valorant jersey. Now we don't have Valorant jerseys. So now we have to make good with all the sponsor. I mean, it's just like, hey, like, we're talking with
Starting point is 01:06:31 a sponsor this morning. They're like, hey, like, you know, we don't have a spot for you anymore. At least there's some kind of like, hey, like this is like completely out. It's not like they paid for a spot. Our team shit the fucking sheets. Our content blew ass.
Starting point is 01:06:49 Like, it's like there is literally nothing else. say could have could have won worlds if we won worlds are we even still I don't think that makes a difference if we win worlds beat loud the biggest rivalry one of the biggest rivalries
Starting point is 01:07:01 in Valorant we still don't I still don't think we get in I don't think so no if we did everything if we did everything it was already ready to go it had to have been it had to been ready to go like months ago and people are saying that the whole like
Starting point is 01:07:17 the guy the G2 Carlos guy partied with Andrew Tate and that's why they didn't get they most they weren't they weren't in to begin with there's no way they were in there's no way that's what that's funny like if it's it's i don't want to talk shit about other orgs because it's not their fault but if eG got in off of not qualifying and it doesn't seem like their content is is really doing much they were they were in for some other reason yeah and so they've been locked it's they've been they've been locked there's this this shit was bound to happen It's who knows how much of this is actually going to go on the fucking flycast.
Starting point is 01:07:56 I'm sure Matt will have to run it by some people, but regardless of whatever stayed in and whatever got cut, I am heartbroken for our content team, especially Austin Cox, because that was his team. That was me to the COD team in 2016. He followed them everywhere, hung out with them, partied with them, ate with them, got them whatever they needed at every event, traveled with them. heartbroken for the content team, heartbroken for the sales and the corporate side that poured their soul into this team. And then obviously most of all, heartbroken for the players because they've been playing together for two years now. And they're just getting ripped apart for something that they did nothing wrong for. They did actually everything right. They actually did everything right, which is insane. They outperformed every single,
Starting point is 01:08:52 one of their peers in that got the opportunity that they wanted and they did nothing wrong. It's fucking crazy, man. It is fucking heartbreaking. But is that what you want to know? What happened with our Valer's? I think that answered it. Yeah, hopefully, I mean, hope to see all those guys get a spot somewhere at least. Sad to.
Starting point is 01:09:14 Yeah, me too. Yeah, sad to see. Shout out to fucking Austin. I didn't know. Bro, I'm not going to lie. I was like, did Austin get it? fired because I had no idea
Starting point is 01:09:24 he was he was doing all the Valoran shit I hadn't even kept up much with our Valorant stuff until recently because it's like oh world it's now I'll care but yeah they were fucking good and I even told you
Starting point is 01:09:38 leaving the flycass yesterday or last week I was like yo we didn't talk about Valoran at all and I was like I'm not going to lie when we picked up that team I was like yeah we just needed a Valoran team and it's like they're going to Yeah.
Starting point is 01:09:52 I thought they would like, I don't know, crews in the top eight or so. I mean, I had no expectations, but they completely, uh, completely, they did more than what they needed to do.
Starting point is 01:10:04 Um, but apparently, um, it's not in our, it's not in our hands, not in their hands. Hopefully wish them all the success in the world. Fucking sad.
Starting point is 01:10:15 It is sad. All right. It's very sad. All right, that's good. I hope you guys enjoy watching to this. They do fucking love it. They fucking love it.
Starting point is 01:10:25 This is what they, this is what they are here to hear. All right, guys. That's been another episode 492 of the Flycast. We'll see you guys next time. Matt Craig, play that banger I sent you on to love.

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