The Flycast - Vision & Halo Beginnings. (The Flycast #004)

Episode Date: January 5, 2018

Vision & Halo Beginnings. (The Flycast #004) by The Flycast

Pee, Pika. Pika, pica. Welcome back to the only optic podcast with appropriate audio levels. Oh, shot, shots, shots. We are back with the Flycast right on time on Sunday. Yes. Every Sunday. Every Sunday.

We're pumping them out. We should probably stop saying they're going to be out Sundays. when it's wait today's Thursday tomorrow's Thursday which is when it will most likely be out correct can we get it up tonight I don't have a video dude no we can't really why no there's no way I've got too much to do tonight yeah but this doesn't take editing it's just it takes rendering and it takes uploading which takes forever at 6 p.m. tomorrow

whatever the day I'm streaming anyways all right so I guess the first thing that I kind of want to talk about before we talk about you disappearing off the face of the earth for two weeks went to a halo event it's my second Halo event or it's like my third Halo event

got to see all of your buddies did you have any fear of missing out emotions no because I didn't even watch online because it's just I don't know You just hate the game.

Yeah. I think I hate, I don't like the game and something about it. I think because it was such a stressful, maybe the most stressful time of my career and what I retired on, it's like, it's literally, well, not literally, but it's probably a slight bit of post-traumatic stress disorder every time I watch. Makes sense. Because people don't know. Like seriously.

People don't know that like that shot we did, the famous shot in vision, the best, best episode ever. That shot was not planned. Yeah. That shot was raw emotions, which is why it was so like emotional. Yeah. And you would literally, you had just talked to your team like five minutes before that. Like you had just gotten off the Skype call telling them you, there's no more optic. Yeah.

They're not on the team. I'm retiring. Yeah. And you're kind of, for, you know, optics kind of leaving them in the dust, which is just business. You're kind of leaving them in the dust because you had no other choice. So like your best friends, because it was Heinz, Brad, and Aaron, right? Literally like three people you've been playing with forever. Three people I've known probably since 2000, literally 2006.

I think I've made, I think I've known Ace and I, I, I, I have. actually since like 2005 like I think I've known all three of them since 2005 that's how long we've all been around that's crazy that's insane so like yeah so you had just gotten off the call with them pretty much everyone like lethal kind of ruined everything what do you mean as per usual yeah you just they they get on optic then you have to retire you have to leave your team basically stranded looking for one you play with them twice after that or something yeah just just for because i had to and they needed they needed someone uh but yeah it was just uh i don't know halo five just watching it i guess even just i don't know it's literally like post-traumatic stress that's

crazy did you feel that way uh watching i mean obviously you don't like the game you don't like Halo 5 and from what I've heard most of the Halo community didn't like Halo 4 right? No. No one liked Halo 4. So could you, if the guys were playing, if all your friends were playing Halo 4 and you still weren't playing, would you watch that? No. You wouldn't watch that either?

No. So you can only watch games. I've never been a big watcher. Like a lot of people at events they'll, like even back when I played at events, it's like we'll get knocked out so we got. like top six it's like still a bunch of matches going on like good matches and a lot of people want to stay and watch and i'll just want to i want to go back to the hotel it's just like get away from it because i'll probably either be pissed that i'm knocked out or just not interested in watching

i guess for whatever reason i don't know why just i never found an interest in watching same with sports in general i played basketball on football growing up but i never watched basketball or football I don't I know I didn't watch TV I don't know why that makes sense to me and I don't watch soccer and I played soccer for like 14 years like I played for literally my whole childhood I don't know there's like a I don't know I don't know I guess the the weird like like video game nerdy fan in me like it's just it's kind of like I don't know in a in a perfect world everyone that retires from what they do in video games

immediately moves to like a analyzer role or like they stay in the community somehow like whenever I heard Cod4 was coming out I was like or the remastered game and was like damn like it's gonna be so cool to watch Big Timer play maybe even like go to a land or something like just for fun and just like see like where his roots

like where he came from and then it comes full circle he's gonna be playing Call of Duty again the game comes out he plays it for two hours and then hasn't touched it since. Yeah. I don't know. It's a big fantasy. Yeah, it is.

It is. I mean, it's cool to see people like Merck and TP and Revin and people like that in the College of Duty community like, I don't know, like analyze and stuff after they're done playing and I guess Walshian side. I mean, I'm definitely still in the community, but I'm not, I'm in the community. I'm in the e-sports community, just not specifically Halo, I guess, anymore. That makes sense.

If I wasn't in Optic, though, I probably just wouldn't be in the community at all. Or maybe I would try to get a job or something over like... Just to have a job. Right. Kind of. Just to, like, have a job. Yeah, but it would also be, of course, something... Like, I know people that work there.

Yeah. Do you still have a passion for Halo? It's turning into kind of like a you interview, but I'm just curious. Like, we don't really talk about this. Do you have a passion for Halo still or not? I don't know. I don't know. Because, like, there's so many people in Cod, like, that just want, they wanted for so long just to see it succeed.

Because, like, we were so down in the dumps. Like, whenever, I say we, but I was just, like, watching YouTube videos back then. I mean, it would suck to see Halo, like, like, I would feel, I would feel away if I saw Halo, like, kind of, like, die, die out. or get really, you know, low-tier kind of how it was in Halo 4. I'd definitely feel away, feel kind of, I'd feel sad about it. But I don't know, as far as like a passion, yeah, I mean, I don't think that'll ever go away. It'll, Halo will always be, it's like my, it's like my first, my first love. It's like you might not be in love with it anymore, but it's still you have love for it.

Sheesh. That's crazy. Yeah, I guess like when I was first coming into Optic, like, I just like attached myself to that. Because when I was like, when I remember like when I at 60-50, I set myself up in like the living room. Yeah. I remember that for some reason. Because, like, people knew you. People knew Mike.

Yeah. But they didn't know you guys for Halo. They knew you guys because you were in the house. Like, Halo at the time was, like, you guys' biggest passion or whatever. And, like, that's, like, when I, I remember sitting there and I was like, if this shit is all going to work out, if I'm actually going to move into this house, like, that's, that's the, I want to, like, uncover these things that, like, nobody really talks about. So, like, I was really interested in, like, Bose talking about, like, optic nation because everybody was just. just focused on the gaming team. And then I was really, like, I wanted to, like, actually bring Halo to light.

And I think, dude, I think with especially the time where it was like Eucl and Mike and Stellar, that's like, it kind of like, it kind of happened with CSGO lately too, but like, more people were kind of focused on you guys than the Call of Duty team because the God team was just winning. Especially when we had everyone. Yeah, it's like, it's like the cod team was winning. so it's like, eh, I know, cool. But it's like they consistently won that it was like not boring, but it was, it just, it wasn't as exciting as trying to see this Halo team that's in the basement grinding for 12 hours a day trying to win.

It's like people definitely, their interests steer towards the underdogs. Yeah. like oh what are these oh these are these guys are really trying to you know make something yeah because it was like it was because i remember when i whenever i who was the first team because i tried to watch the first team that oh the tournament where you guys won the bt hush team one uh i watched that tournament was the first time optic could like competed or whatever in hayland oh yeah like it was like that's when optic had snipe down oh laenaed down ace and mike right yeah yeah so i tried to watch that and like while optic was playing i think it had

like 6K viewers and people were like man like we haven't seen 6k viewers for a while because halo 4 was so bad or whatever I was like man that kind of sucks like nobody's really talking about optic halo and then you guys won you came in and then you were and then there was a few series where you guys had 6k viewers on your personal twitch streams and stuff like that it's like I don't know it kind of worked out Mike in the last chance qualifier I think had like what 28k or something that was the best stream I think I've ever watched. I watched it the whole day. Really? Yeah. Have you ever heard TJ with Gary? I just remember one time Gary was like Gary said something he was like this is it man Nick 09 Nats and then he said Mike and he said something like I don't know one of Mike's championships or something like that and then he was like chaser let's go. Dude, it was so funny.

That's when everybody was like, calm down Gary. Yeah, calm down Gary. That stream. That was probably one of the most legendary streams I've ever seen. People love Gary. Dude, seeing him again this weekend was so funny. He, like, came up to me, and he was like, what's up, man, how you been? And I, like, looked at him, and I hadn't seen him since you guys lost.

Like, regional? Yeah, I hadn't seen him since then. So I looked at him, and it took me. This is why I don't watch. It's so, like, just so disappointing. Yeah. Just remembering that feeling, like, yeah.

Was that my last tournament? No, you, because Pax was after that. Oh, yeah. Like, Nated. Yeah. Then, was that my last tournament? I think that might have been your last tournament. Pax.

No, wait. No, because that was me, Mike. Oh, no. And then I went to a tournament, me, ace, native, straight-tick. But the last one was the one where you Spartan charge that dude with Brad. Oh, yeah. The region.

Relegation, right? Yeah. Yeah. That was your last one. Relegation. Yeah. So at least I went out with that. T.J.

said that was the best play of all time or something. I mean, that was definitely clutch. That was crazy. But T. T.J. has, like, the best story of, of that relegation or that last chance qualifier stream. He said he was in a Skype call with like 18 Halo pros. And he said the entire time like whenever you guys had that that close game,

was it with the Suds? I think it might have, were you like perfected that guy on Collie? I'm not sure. Like the, the game. You guys were down like two one on flag. Was I like by the flag? Yeah, yeah. And you like clutch up.

Yeah, yeah, you like, are to guys? a guy and then perfected the guy. Yeah, he said during that moment, all you heard was 18 people just screaming. Just everyone, he was like, there was no one talking. Everyone was just screaming. And just like, I wish somebody had recorded it. Fuck. Those are the kind of situation. I love, I love that. That's literally what I played for. Just those moments. Yeah. Yeah. Dude, that's the best. It's crazy because I was like recording. I remember it because I was recording behind you and you had a DMR. you perfected the guy on the like base like on the basement floor of college like under the base yeah and then you ran up and then killed a guy with the AR perfected the other guy return the

flag and then you guys won that shit was that was crazy man it's weird to think about those days it's like good to think about that kind of stuff but then but then you think about you guys getting 13 out by CLG there's so many like so much more stressful don't yeah yeah Yeah, I was not planning on talking about Halo this much, but yeah, but this what had even started this? Because you yeah, because I went to the Halo event. Oh, yeah. I went to a Halo event. So describe your career.

So the thing about, but what I, what I was like introduced to is that there's a lot of like terms in Halo that are Halo specific like in the community, but they don't have anything to do with Halo. Like, what did you always get pissed that I would say? When? I feel like there was always something I'd say in Codd. You say hitmark. Yeah. And it pisses me off. Hit marker.

It's hitmark. Yeah. That would always piss you off. Dude, I got a hit mark with snipe. Dude, every time you do it, I would just. And then like, I thought you were doing it on purpose after that. So I would just. And that's ultimately why I stopped playing with you.

Because I said hit mark. Because I hit Mark. But I got introduced to the term milky. You never heard that? I'd never heard that. Milky? Really? Milky.

Can you explain? Milky? It's definitely used in a couple of ways. I mean, milky could either mean like someone who's being like greedy with something. Like stop milking all the Cheetos with someone's hogging.

It's like, hogging. That would make sense. That's one way you could use it. Then Royal 2 will use it in any way possible. That's who taught me. Really? Yeah.

I was at dinner. Dude, he's freaking milking, dude. Dude, this waiter's, like, if the waiter's taken too long. Dude, this waiter's milking. And that's why I asked, I asked because him and his brother were there. If the chef, like, didn't put a lot on his plate, dude, the chef milked us. Like that. Yeah.

Dude, that's funny. Because he said, he said milking is like, like if someone's wasting your time. Yeah. Like you're being milked. Yeah. Basically. Yeah. So I was, they kept saying milked.

And then, first I heard PJ say it. And I was like, what are you talking about? And then he was like, just wait till Mac gets here. And then Royal Two and his brother came over. Dude, Royal Two and his brother are so funny together. Yeah. Like, how long have you done? It's so weird how.

how long have I known Royal One? Yeah. Not really. Like he, I don't know. I think he's always been, I'm sure he definitely competed, but it's always been Royal 2 really.

I've always known Royal 2, but I never like was friends with him until, like I was always like acquaintances, but never like hung out. Yeah. Because he doesn't, like at a, the time I, talk to him I probably would be at events yeah and like after he's out or whatever it's uh

like he's not out like drinking and stuff because he was always young um so i never like became like good friends with him until like probably year or two ago or about like two years ago or something i don't know just hearing the two of them talk are so funny yeah he's hilarious he also said like his brother was like so have you ever heard of the idis do you know what that is i don't think so that might be I can imagine what it is. He was like, theitis is a specific term for when after you're done eating, you feel full and you feel like tired and you want to just sleep. Dude, I'm king I-I-I-I-S.

I was going to say that. Dude, I lived in a constant state of I-DIS, if that is the case. And so we were just, the entire weekend, my goal was just to use the term milky and the term idis. This coffee got me anti-Itis. Anti-Itis. You did kind of, you are kind of milking time right now. I just milk that, nah, that's actually not a definition that could be used for.

But yeah, the Halo event was fun, dude. Hanging out with everybody. I don't know, the venue is pretty cool. Seeing all the people, apparently, I mean, I got to see Cloud who, you know, I guess I have Halo acquaintances. Cloud being one of them. Gary being one of them. And then, of course, I have, like, good friends, too.

Can't believe you didn't meet Demon D. Yeah, I didn't know he was there. I can't believe. I didn't know he was going either. If I knew, I don't know, what I went, like knowing Cloud, Clutch and Demon D were all there. Dude, they took a picture together, and I was, I was like, oh.

Was that the moment? Yeah. I was like, man. That sucks. Like, those three guys are, like, my best friends. Yeah. Do you still, I mean, they're like still your best friends? I mean, not like best friends because I don't talk to them that often.

But like at a certain time, they were like when we were teaming, we were literally best friends. All of us were best friends. I didn't realize that like. Especially me and D-Mondi. Yeah. And then me and we, we just were like a family. Yeah. It was weird.

You have like your own relationship with all four, all three of them. Yeah. Like all. Literally all three of them will say the same thing. There wasn't like a standout person that would like kind of not be like included in like the family or whatever. Like everybody does everything together. Like there's there's not like one person that like we're like kind of talking shit about. Yeah.

Like that I feel like there's every team that you think of. There's like kind of that one person that people are kind of talking shit about. Yeah. buying their back. But no. I will say our HALA team. We were talking shit, we were talking shit to each other. Yeah.

I will say our HALA team doesn't do that. Yeah. They'll talk shit about, like, that's actually true. They'll talk shit about like Brad's messy, like when it comes to the bathroom. Yeah. And PJ stresses a lot. They'll talk about that. But like in game, they don't talk about that.

Yeah, I would definitely say Snakebite and Royal 2 are like, I don't know, brothers. They've been teaming forever. Like they were, like the snake, snake. snake bite and royal too we're kind of like the me and demon d but i don't know i can't know we were just we were like literally instead of it just being snake bite and royal too it was like all four of us were like that me demon dutch and cloud that's crazy dude i can't even imagine what that would be like yeah that's kind of like what blake george and i are like but if there was a fourth yeah like we just play We've been trying to play with four people or a fourth person for eight years now or something like that.

I didn't realize. You know people because like six different people, I don't know if it's because they just knew we were good friends, but like a lot of different people kept talking about that specific tournament. Like 2009 nationals. They kept talking about it. I don't know. I don't know why it kept coming up. And I didn't realize it was such like a like an upset. Yeah.

I didn't realize you guys just kind of went in. We went from getting, like, we went from getting top 12 to 6th to first. That's crazy. At Nashville. I went from, I went from getting top 24 to not to retiring, but back then it wasn't retiring. It was just quitting. I was just, that was a noob. Well, not really a noob.

I was pro, but I went from getting, how old was I? No, I was 18, 17. Oh, okay. But I went from getting top 24, being like, fuck this, I quit, not attending the next event, to getting picked up by BTH because they needed a fourth. And then from there we get top 12, six national champion. What the hell? So it's like from within like four events, I went from not even competing to winning the next.

national championship. Yeah. Which. It's like everyone, like I was talking to, who was I talking to about it? I think it might have been like Royal Toons fake bite because they didn't play at the time or they like were, they were like eight at the time. And they said that. Or no, I was talking to TJ about it.

He said, he said literally like all four of you guys had the best tournament of your life. And then Demon D. Played like he was the best player in the game for a day. And no one could stop him. That's just what I heard. And I didn't know all that. I thought you guys were like top four, top three, like, contending. It was like, I don't know.

Who would it be in, like, say at the time when it was optic and phase, like one and two. Yeah. It was just like every event was like optic versus phase. Yeah. Just imagine that. And then who would be like a seventh-seated team, seventh, eighth-eight-seeded team? I mean, I kind of, I kind of like what our CS team did at E-League. they were like seventh seed

they weren't even like they the fact that they got out of pool play at E League like everyone was like man they're doing really well and then they win the next four matches and win the entire tournament yeah that's kind of like how I see it something like that that was yeah because we were seventh seed in all season it was just TD straight I think wait was it yeah it was TD straight

TD straight TD like winning events back and forth every event there was the TD verse like straight that's crazy and then there was like an instinct would kind of like compete or carbon or some final boss and then but at the last event we just we beat fb then we beat straight then we beat uh who did we beat b beat fb then we beat fb then we beat we beat instinct then we beat straight rip in and everyone's just like what so then you guys played What classic? And then we played classic in winners finals because they beat TD on the other side, which was another huge upset, but that was like the whole Xbox got unplugged.

Oh, shit. I forgot about that. As TD was capping the winning flag to win the series, and someone, an Xbox freezes, which happened to be, if it was anybody's Xbox, but the host, TD would have won. But it was hysteria's Xbox who froze and he was host, so the entire game shut down. And it was like a hundred, it was a hundred percent win. And but they had to replay because it shut down.

And then classic won the replay and then one game five. So then we beat classic winter spinals. And then it's like TD can redeem themselves in losers bracket. But TD loses to instinct, I think. And then instinct loses to carbon. And then Carbin loses the classic. So it's like, then we play classic again. Like BTH versus classic back then was just like two top 12 teams that have a...

Basically. Yeah. It was like the sixth and seventh seed. No, what are people talk about that tournament all the time? Yeah. That shit's crazy. Yeah. Just like...

Like, people always talk about how classic, like the whole Xbox being unplugged thing. Yeah. Like, apparently it was... People... People, I don't know what happened. I don't know if the Xbox just froze. I don't know if it got, people say the cameraman unplugged it. People say the cameraman tripped and fucking unplugged it.

Like, people say best man kicked the wire. Like, I don't know. There's a whole bunch of dumb stuff. Yeah. But even after that, it's like, they can, there's still a losers bracket. And Team Classic won through the losers. bracket. So we played them again. That's crazy, dude. That's, that's wild. Do you remember your feeling after winning, was that your first grand finals you had been a part of? Yeah. So after you guys

beat them in winners finals, what were you guys like feeling like? I feel like I'm doing a vision interview, but I'm literally like actually, like we've never gone this far in depth about this tournament. I think my best placing before that was the previous tournament. I think we got fifth or we got top six might have got fifth i can't remember right uh so yeah it was from retiring to just i don't know it happened too quick to like know what was going on right i just remember the night before i was guaranteed top three because we just beat straight and then i think we just beat straight and we were guaranteed top three and then like the night ended and like i'm walking back to my hotel, like, guaranteed 15 grand or something each.

And all my friends are just like, yo, what? You guys are about to win this event. And they're just, like, hyping me up because they're all, like, top 12, top 16, like top 24. And I'm just sitting there at top three about to win the event. It was crazy. So you just had, like, all the people that you had been teaming with or, like, people you were friends with. Yeah.

From that like I guess like people like I hung out with and I was friends with they were like top 16 Yeah like borderline yeah pretty much yeah so they're knocked out of the tournament they're gonna watch you play on so yeah and they're just yeah dude that's crazy dude i've always said because i got into this whole like video documentary thing because of like a uh documentary on the super smash brother's scene there's like uh it was like a it's like a documentary it like covers six different people that helped build the smash brother scene like to the esports scene that it is today and um literally smash was like kind of like halo four at the time where it's like just down in the dumps like like maybe maybe at like the biggest tournaments it would get like i don't know like

i don't know tens of thousands of viewers or something like that and then this documentary came out and it literally like people would argue that this documentary saved smash brothers really yeah it came out and then after it came out, MLG did an entire special on the series, like where they would watch every episode and then talk about it afterwards. And then MLG brought smash onto their scene for like MLG, uh, Anaheim like a while ago. And then it just started booming again and got on evil and stuff like that. And so that's what like a counter strike. Oh, gambling saved counterstrike. But that's what I'm saying. Like I've always said if I was to ever do a full length documentary, it would be on Halo.

Really? Yeah, I told Walsh you that. I told Walsh you that my first time ever meeting him. And he was like, I actually have, like, friends that have footage from back in the days when you guys played on CRTs and the big clunky, like, no headsets, yelling at each other across. They're like, they had, they have footage from. Dude, there's a picture of me at an MLG event with Senheisers on with, I could probably,

I don't have my phone, but I have Senheisers on, which didn't have a mic, but I have Senheisers on, and then a microphone just over, like my, over the Senheisers. What? Like a Xbox mic? Yeah, because I was, yeah, an Xbox mic. Because I was just a noob and didn't have like that advanced heads. Because back then it was like new. Yeah. And I didn't have like the new headset that other people had.

But like even before that it was, I didn't even have a mic. Like everyone just used Senheisers. and yelled to hear each other. That's what I'm saying. There's so many there's so many untold stories in Halo. Like it's literally like you sit around a bar with these 30 year old people

talking about Halo back in the day. And it's like it's genius. It's like the shit that I hear is just like very, very entertaining stuff. But there's nobody to tell it. Which is I saw an interview on the guy that did the Smash Brothers video and he said that's how he kept

feeling he would hear all of these stories about the smash brothers content from like 2002 and he was like somebody has to know this so he spent two years of his life dedicating it to that video wait like he spent two years just for that video yeah he would well it's it's a nine part documentary and every i gotta watch like 30 dude if you watch it it's it's the reason i'm here today that those that documentary yeah but that's what i'm saying like i I've always wanted, but obviously I don't have, like, time to do that now. But if something ever happens with vision where I can just be like an executive producer, because like Hex talks about that all the time,

where I can just kind of like step back and let like people who were actually, who actually like went to school to do what I do, kind of do that. And then I can have time to like dedicate the passion projects. That would be the one that I do. I don't know. But then again, if I hear that HALA 3 remasters coming out, I might just drop everything and do it. Start competing.

Heck, I need. Definitely not compete. Hitch captain. I don't know. All right. So, yeah, that's my career. So you went to Vegas. I was Vegas.

Vegas was dope, dude. How many times have you been to Vegas? I think just once. I went to Vegas and lost a bunch of money. Damn, so many, like, memories. Vegas was crazy. Vegas was, Vegas was Vegas. Yeah.

I love BTH. I love my friends. I was just thinking about it today. I was like, I think I have like, I don't want to, I mean, you can ever have too many friends. But I have a lot of friends that I'm like really, really. really close with. Really? Yeah.

I don't think I have too many. Like I was just thinking about, like I saw a tweet or something. It was like, what's your MySpace top eight currently in life? And I was like, damn. I was like, I can, I can, I thought of eight people. I think I do have literally eight because I have, actually, no. I would say I have like three, I have like three good friends in like different sections of my life. It's like three back home, three here, three at events, like that kind of stuff.

That makes sense. That's kind of how it is for me too. It's just I have different, I have people that I met in different parts of my life that I just like, I don't know, just we always find each, find each other like talking to each other or whatnot. That's kind of how my friend group is. What was I just about to say? Oh, Vegas, we didn't go to the, we didn't go to the strip. what's up man what

Bose says hi everybody um we didn't go to like the strip this time in Vegas we went to like downtown old school Vegas which was something completely different than what I had because I've been to Vegas twice before and both times were at the strip like the whole like Mandalay Bay

MGM Grand and the Caesar's Palace like that whole strip there but this one was like on the other side of Vegas and there was like a downtown area where you just like walk through and it felt like it felt like New Orleans and they were like street performers but the street performers were just like naked people there was like a 70 year old man and a G string there was two nurses with just nipple tassels on and then there were like people playing. bagpipes and like accordions it was just like it was like the I don't know it was like the weird part of Vegas whereas like on the other side of Vegas people are dressed up in like tuxes and going gambling and going to the balls and then on this side of Vegas it's just like reckless like Hollywood yeah but you haven't I haven't been to Hollywood that's that's probably I haven't been to that part of Vegas so I wouldn't know but yeah Hollywood's probably

similar. It was like weird. It was definitely weird, but it was fun. It was like, it was more casual. Yeah. Which I'm used to casual. I'm not used to going and trying to stunt. Sitting at a five star.

Sitting at a table with rich people in Vegas casinos. Yeah. Playing blackjack smoking cigars while in a tucks. It being way too tense, way too much. much money's getting thrown around. Then here everybody's literally there were the the hotel we went into the casino was there. They were playing pop like electronic bumping music like boom boom boom and there were girls dancing on tables.

Like that kind of music? Yeah. There were girls dancing on tables with like skimpy like skirts on and crop tops and they were doing this and I felt and everyone was just bedding and I was like. this is kind of more of my scene. Not because of the girls or whatever. It's just definitely more casual than a quiet casino and everyone's just really focused on betting.

Yeah. And smoking their cigars. Some people just get too intense. Like I was probably actually one of those people. It's like, why are you, why are you actually betting to like try to make a profit? Like, is that why you're like taking it? serious because they'll just be sitting at the table like really thinking and I don't know I guess

that's fun it's like kind of like me playing H1 Z1 being pissed being focused trying my ass off but I'm just like it's like fun doing that we can transition now so um you go through these oh shit that's what we're transitioning to You go through these times where you get really focused on. I'm kind of that way too, or I just get really addicted to something. But I've always thought I was the worst at it. Like I'd never seen anybody do it as bad as I do. Until I never.

Because at first it was like Halo 5. You were streaming like 13 hours a day. You would scrim and then you would stream for like eight hours after that. Even when I wouldn't stream, because there was a time I stopped streaming just because it was like, we were losing too much. And it was just like, I remember that. You know, but I'm trying to like get better. I don't need to hear your shit. Because we would just get shit talked for losing.

It's like, all right. And then you would play that literally all night. And then that kind of went away, especially when you were tired. And then it transitioned to beats. You would make beats for 25 hours. a day literally non-stop making beats learning you had like a notepad you were trying to learn music theory dude and then after that that kind of like went away and you still like because now you kind of learned everything you need to make beats then i was like all right and then monorferring remaster

came out you stream that and played that for like 13 hours a day for like two weeks and then you finally were like all right fuck that and i was like it's over it's over that's over that's that's That's it. Nothing else could possibly capture your attention. And then I had never seen it as bad as it was over the past two weeks. Yeah, that was really bad. I don't know what it was. I think H1Z1 was just because MWR, it just never felt,

I just have never liked S&D. So MWR, it was cool, how competitive it was, and how much I like trying to like win turnies or you know whatever get good at the game that was it was cool and that's what kept my attention for so long but I just never was a fan of S&D so that it could capture my attention for a while but not too long just because I didn't like S&D that much but H1Z1 that was a whole other beast because that was like it was it It just takes up so much time. The games you try to win last forever.

And then if you die, it's like just instantly queue up into another one. Then you kind of sit there. Very time consuming. It's very easy. That game is like, like when we were played, when I would play game battles like back in the day with like the team summertime guys. And then we would just be like, uh, you got, you got time for another one?

All right. So we're not. Yeah. And then it was very like, I got one more. Yeah. It's like you just constantly get into that cycle. But for H1Z1, you don't even have to set anything up.

You just click a button. Yeah. And you just like a button. And it's like if you do, if you do bad, it's like I'm not getting off on that. Yeah. If you do good or if you win, it's like I got to try to win again. Yeah. If you get close to winning, it's like, I need to, I need to win.

Yeah. And then get off. But it's like, there's no. Yeah. Like there's no. It's the worst. There's no good time to get off H1Z1. That's so true.

You just always have to keep playing until... The only time I would get off is when I would literally just be wasting my time for two hours. Like starting up, half-assing, like, trying to do good. That's like the only... That's when I realize, okay, I need to get off. I'm tired. I'm not even trying. I'm bored.

18 hours deep. Yeah. I would just have to really get bored of the game. but now you're kind of past the fiercely addicted point. Yeah, I think that's what I do with stuff.

I don't know why. It's kind of like you, when a good song comes out and you play it so much to the point where you don't even like the song anymore. Yeah, that's what I do. Because I,

I played it what, freaking, it went from playing it like eight hours a day to like 12 to 16, then doing a 12, 24-hour stream, then, like, waking up and playing a 16, streaming for like 16 hours. I literally, that 24-hour stream, I woke up and was like, okay, it's like, I forget what time I woke up. It's probably like 3 p.m. But I wake up, it's like 3 p.m. I'm like, all right, guys, I'm a stream.

It's not going to be another 16. I literally woke up and tweeted, it's not going to be another 16-hour stream. Don't ask. Because everyone in my stream from the night before, it was like a 16-hour stream. So I was like just jokingly saying it's not going to be another one. But I was like serious because I only wanted to stream for a few hours. Next thing, 24 hours later. Because by like the 12-hour mark, I'm like, I'm not getting off unless I win. And then it got to 16 hours.

And I was like, okay, I'm either pulling a 24-hour or I'm winning. and I never won. So I just had to play for 24 hours. Damn. Yeah, I guess that's what I've always done with stuff. I just always get super addicted to one thing. Right. And then I just play it until I have...

I went from, like I was saying, 8 to 12 to 24 to 16 to like 16 hours. Like it was turning into like 16-hour streams to not touching it. for it's been three or four days. I just don't have an urge to even play. That's so crazy, dude. I just played the, like, by the, by my last stream,

I was getting just so mad, but bored at the same time. I was like, I really don't care anymore about this game. I'm like, it's kind of how I ended MWR as well. I was just getting bored. I was like, I don't find the interest in really trying to do good. Yeah. So I just, I don't know. Just lost interest.

That makes sense. I can, I mean, at first, I had my few days where I was like, I want to play H1 all the time. Yeah. I feel like you would see me and T.J. playing and you're like, fuck this, I'm going to play. Then I'd hear you in your room. Not even screaming or recording or anything. I heard you one time. Yes.

Yes. Okay. There's no way it sounded like that. There's no possible way it sounded like that. Yes. Yes. I was like, let's, I remember going, I remember throwing a let's go out. It was probably like a let's go.

Yes. Yes. Just so relieved. I finally won. I have two wins. And then it was like a five kill. Yeah, it was like a five kill win. And ninjas over there.

I actually talked to ninja this weekend. Oh, yeah. Like kind of like not directly talked to him. He was in like a circle. We were all talking. I didn't know that you were in. his top win his top win is like a 28 kill win or something like that and you uh i think i was one of the deaths and it was like a 30 something oh a 30 people are like ninjas in your game oh my god he's

shitting he's shitting find him and i'm like where is he where is he and i had the most my chat helped me zero i'm just like where is he i didn't have a delay on my stream or anything so like they could hear me right away i'm like where is he where is he they're like he he He's in a cop car. I'm like, that's not helping me. I'm like, I need a location. And no one was telling me. But I saw a cop car like zooming by.

I'm like, oh, that's probably him. I start shooting him. He turns around. I'm like lighting him up. And then he just literally is flying at me with this cop car. And then I pull out my shotgun and he jumps out and I shot him to like 10 health. But then he just like, you know, kills just AR. Just ninjas.

Just ninjas. Just ninjas. And then I die. And I'm like, no. He had like 10 health. And that was probably the closest he was to dying all game. Then he ends up winning that game with like a 30, some 30, 30 kill wins. I'm just like, of course.

Because that's like all T.J. Or the one time I talked to Ninja, that's literally all they talked about. Like nobody was talking about Halo. Everybody just wanted to get back and play H1. I don't know. Even T.J. Even Royal 2, I think, said tweeted something. Royal 2.

I didn't know he was that good at the game. He said his top kill, his entire bar are wins and they're all 20. Really? 40 plus kill wins. Yeah. I know what I'm doing after this. Dude, no. I'm probably going to stream H-phones, to be honest.

Dude, no. It's, you're going to fall right. I wanted to anyways because I just got one of these new mics or this new arm stand. I, like, switch my setup. So I don't got a stream with a headset mic anymore. it's like a mic like this and it's like perfect with how my setup is so I'm kind of pumped the stream with like better quality I guess so yeah because you've always kind of and the only game I'd enjoy would be H1 so yeah I guess that is everybody talks about how bad H1 is because of the lags

and the the glitches and the fact that we're playing people from across the world that like almost makes it more, that's like bringing more to it. It's like that gives it so much talk. Yeah, you're right.

People talk about it. There's so much talk of just like the rages. Chinese people on the server and lag and glitches. Like, just all that talk

just brings more attention to it. But it's like, I feel like we're at a state in video games right now where if you're not playing CS or if you're not like a League of Legends like that kind of like a Moba player or whatever i don't i think that's what it's called um there's like not a good game out right now monitor for remastered no one who touches yeah i don't know who plays it anymore because there's no variant in it's s and d and needs are being tossed from across the map i don't know maybe maybe

there'll be a a good game soon is this still recording welcome back fly is podcast on the world. To the only podcast without audio issues. To the only podcast without audio issues. It's literally just karma. We ran out of space on the SD car. So we were what? It was probably, I literally have no idea what the last thing was that we talked. I think I've been kind of glancing and I don't think it was too long. I think I looked like two or three times where I was like then the third time i'm like what if we only got like talking yeah yeah yeah yeah what if we only got like 12 minutes of footage no i saw because i remember looking and seeing like 40 something minutes i think it might have got yeah i so we have no idea where it cut off at you carry man i'm tired

um I'm carrying. You didn't do, you interviewed me. Yeah. Carry. Get carried. I fucking carry. I garried. Literally my back hurts. Too much carrying in the flycast for me. I am the flycast captain.

Yeah. So at this point, I don't know where. It's like we, it's not like it cut off and we can be like, okay, uh, you know, cut off, but let's resume here. because we were talking for so long and then I was like, wait, it's not, it doesn't have the red stuff. And Hitch just got sad. Yeah, I hate it when shit like that happens.

And then it just took 10 minutes to find an SD card. But that's the life we live. It's so hard. You're in and your life's so hard. Our struggles are so hard. difficult. A day of work. It's just very stressful.

Just, you know, I'd just rather, never mind, I would just dig a deeper hole. But I'd sarcasticly saying something. By sarcastically digging a hole for yourself, an actual hole is being dug. And you're going to get thrown in it.

Bye. I'm probably also good stuff for just cutting you off. we'll work on that I think I got to lay low on the caffeine no or just the interview a podcast without you on caffeine I don't know how it would go

might not work every podcast you've either had the concentrate coffee that's that's drugs then again caffeine is a drug or the coffee coffee coffee coffee coffee caffeine is a drug I think I'm addicted to drug

alcohol is a drug not addicted to alcohol. I think I'm addicted to caffeine though. A relative. Have you ever been not addicted to alcohol, but like consistently drank? No, definitely not to a point where I was like drunk. I mean not drunk, but I mean like we talked about it last time on the podcast where I like went through that weird phase where I was just drinking red wine every night. Really? We talked about that and I did I talk about? Really? We talked about that? Is that what you were about to talk about? It's a quick summary. I used to drink red wine every night after Walgreens. He would crack up with beers with all of his haly friends.

Next topic. So where were we 30 minutes ago? We can talk about how nice it's been. Joe Rogan would be so mad. We were talking about, that's something we talk a lot like whenever we go somewhere, like when we drive to like somewhere vastly in the in the distance like jersey mics or whatever vastly in the distance whenever we road trip to you know across town to chick fillet or to chipotle that's when we have our conversation that's when i wish it could be interrupted

what do you mean i interrupted you but that's when i wish we could be recorded that's when we We need a podcast in the car. We need a consistent podcast. That's our next podcast in the car. Well, I think we need to be the first 24-hour podcast. Yeah. We need to have like go-prose. That's a lot of talking.

Just, but just mic ourselves up for 24 hours and then compile it. Yeah. Clap once. Yeah. And the shit we were talking about, we talk about the universe. Well, we'd have to clap every time to be. batteries went out. That's true.

Or the new battery. Yeah. We go through so many SD cards and batteries. Just constant footage. It's a good idea to do once. Right?

I actually, people are going to steal this idea, but I was going to make a, if this comes out anytime soon, just know I'm on that ass for stealing my idea. But I was going to make a, or I'm, still thinking about

making a 24 hour vlog where I'm literally just recording the entire time. Not necessarily trying to be like, you know, entertaining or just zero cuts, just recording the entire time.

Having a shit ton of batteries on deck, shit ton of SD cards. If it runs out, I'll put it on a computer and have a fresh SD card or whatever. Charge batteries. But just literally record the entire time and then just put it together and upload it you think people would watch it yeah I would if someone said they've recorded literally 24 hours of the 24 hours

you have to think about how much you would have to cut though like in how much stuff we there's no cutting okay but I can't you would okay then you would have to warn everyone yeah today is 24 hour vlog day yeah they would have to be everyone wouldn't have to be on their best behavior. We would have to make sure I mean, think about today, what has been said that would need to be cut? I don't think anything really.

There was one thing earlier where we're like, hey, we got to cut that. Yeah, cut that. But if somebody talks about something that's happening in the future with Optic that nobody's supposed to know, there's like brand issues that are

in the house that nobody can see. Well, I would go through that. I would definitely make sure that stuff. Like as the day went on, like right down the time or something. I would definitely and just like bleep, bleep out there. Just blur it or do something with the audio. But I think if I saw a 24-hour blog, I would definitely click on it and just kind of click through the hours of like, what do they? Like say I'm just sitting on my computer scrolling through the internet.

And it just shows me sitting there just casually. Just literally just being a fly on the wall. Just being me. What would you do while you showered? Put the camera on me and blur it out. Maybe. I'd kind of be epic. Yeah.

It would be a lot of, dude, rendering a 24-hour video, it would take 48 hours. Yeah. Like, you would do the video and then it would come out like two weeks later. The neck, yeah. Because then you would have to like upload it. Imagine that upload dude. I feel like rendering takes longer than uploading for me. Yeah.

Yeah, you'd probably have to do it on a final cut. Yeah. It's a lot easier to render on final cut. But yeah. Showers, blur it. Why am I spewing these genius ideas out? Someone's going to take this. You had to pee?

Or worse? P, just fucking film right on top of it. Like, they just, they get you staring at it. at the wall. Or just filling the pee. Just don't show your wiener. That is kind of genius. 24-hour stream.

That's going to be the title of this podcast. 24-hour blog? Question mark? No. It can be that. The stream? What is this? Oh, man.

I don't know. But I've definitely, I've got to go. If I got to finish vision, stuff. Yeah. And we don't, we don't know where we're at. We don't know where.

Yeah. It's definitely been some time now. Yeah. You're, you're going to have fun editing this and uploading this tomorrow and stuff like that. There's a, there actually is editing for this one, huh? You'll have a lot of fun.

Yeah. You're going to handle it? Yeah, you'll be able to get this. We'll just, uh, I do you have any outro music?