The Flycast - WARZONE PROS DONT STAND A CHANCE VS CDL PROS | The Flycast Ep. 48

Episode Date: August 28, 2022

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Welcome, welcome, welcome to the Flycast episode 7,425. This episode is brought to you by Elgado and the Wave 3 microphones. These beautiful mics that we have in our hands. Yes, sir. They're just incredible. Can't get enough. Can't get enough. Welcome back to episode 645 of the Flycast.

790. We're doing a little bit of a, of what would we call this, a bandage stuck over the last episode or the last recording we did i was just going to say redo a redo a little bit of a why 10 15 each you know why who do you think who do you guys think who do you think put in the comments right now before you continue this episode who messed up the first 10 minutes of the last epi yeah do you have anything to say matt no okay nothing to say in a few words man a few few words um but i believe we started off the podcast talking about how you were in a crush and and and And how you were shitting better.

Because last time you were, you had, shitting my pants. Yeah, you had had, um, and then the next day I got sick. You had had a protein bar and a coffee. And you were talking about how you didn't know why you were shitting. I think I was sick. Because the next day I had like a,

technically it wasn't a fever. My tent was like 99. I don't think that's, I think that's slightly above normal. Yeah, you just went to the sauna, I think. No, but I don't know. I didn't feel good than the next day I felt even worse.

So two questions. Has the shitting gotten better? Yes. Okay, so we're good on that. Good on, but hole good. Okay. Speaking of, has your crush gotten better?

I don't, I mean, it's the same, like, it's going well. It's going well, but it's still, but it's like, when I, you're still smitten? I don't like people.

You're still head over heels? I don't, no, I'm playing it cool. You're playing it cool. At least I'm trying to and because like i feel like i don't like people and especially actually liking females and like as that sounds shitty huh um just having a crush having an actual crush on a girl is so annoying yeah because like literally it's and hopefully she never sees this or she probably never

talk to me again but it's just like it's on my mind non-stop It's so annoying. It's like how her day is going and why she's not texting you back. Yeah. Yeah, pretty much. Who else is she texting? Are you wondering? Just makes my mind wander.

And I feel like I'm stuck in this like, like I'm usually the one that plays hard to get. I ignore the tax. I take my time. I'm cool. You chase me. I'm the best. Right. Yeah.

But this, of course. Of course, right? But this time around, it's like, it's sort of even playing field. Okay. It sounds even. it sounds like no one is playing it cooler than the other here it sounds like no one's chasing it's see if she had a podcast she'd probably say this same stuff she's like oh my god

I like this cute redhead I'm talking to him and it's like I just don't want to scare him away I don't want to be like too clingy and like that's probably exactly if she had a podcast that's probably what she would say so I think we're on like the same we're in the same boat but it's going pretty well that makes sense I get that. She's coming with me to the optic party. I'm scared.

You better hope that no one finds her social medias and then tweets her this clip of you saying you can't get enough of her. Yeah, don't do that, guys. I know they won't do that. They won't do that. They won't do that anyways. They got my back.

If there's one thing I know, it's the fans got my back, unless we're in the scuff house. or I mean since then it's been It's kind of crazy how hard Everyone went at you and Bose In the Scuff House compared to now Because now everyone loves both of you

No one Yeah I don't know what happened I don't know I think it was everyone grew up I really think that's what happened Because everyone was in their early 20s In the Scuff House in my opinion 18 to 22 And they're all like

Starting jobs And it was sort of like a new thing and they see like all these kids, these pros or these pros or ex pros have this opportunity to live in this big ass house. Yeah. And maybe it's a house thing though. It might have been, I bet you it was a house thing. I think it's a house thing.

Rather than like an org thing. Yeah. I bet you might be right. But I'm sure they just saw like all these two people, like they have the opportunity to. Yeah. And I mean, sometimes I did do my thing there. I mean, looking back at it now, I think I have like, I forget how many videos. are on my YouTube, but it's a decent amount.

Yeah. I want to say like 300 plus, which isn't bad. It's not bad. I mean, for like eight years. Have you retired your YouTube channel? Because I think, actually, I think I might put, whenever we do around the bar, I might post that on my channel. But I think as far as vlogs and all that stuff, I think that's just like kind of, they'll just live on that channel. I don't know if it'll ever come back.

Yeah, it's definitely not retired. I get rare random motivation to be like, you know, I need to like, I kind of want to just pick up, because like honestly, a lot of my vlogs, it seemed like I'd always ran about something. Yeah. Almost what I do on here. And it was almost like some sort of like therapy. Yeah. And like, so sometimes as of late, I'll be thinking like, I just, you know what, tomorrow,

I might just pick up my camera. But then it's like I think about my actual day in the life. and it's like there's nothing to like even if I'm streaming it's still just like wake up probably work out people don't know this

maybe do some content I feel like a majority of people don't know this that like aren't working like in this industry but streaming is I would say nine times out of ten for nine people out of ten

streaming is more financially you'll get more financial stability streaming rather than doing YouTube videos yeah YouTube pay shit. So you said it better than I was saying. That's what you were thinking. That's what I was thinking.

Speaking of YouTube, if you want to start your own YouTube channel or your Twitch if you want to stream, the best USB mics on the fucking planet are these Elgada wave threes that we got in our hand. I use them. Yeah, so do I. I actually do use it at mine. If you're at home, the best microphone you can get for something, you know, like

talking to your friends, Discord. Yeah. Skype. Skype. Speaking of Skype, this is also a segue into what we were talking about last time we recorded this before Emac Craig messed everything up.

And you know what? That's okay. And that's okay. So enjoy what we were talking about, which was how Skype was the old way. The good old days of Skype. Skyping with your friends. Before we had these amazing mics. Before we did.

Thank you guys. Enjoy the rest of the flycast. I've gone through, bro, I remember me lethal. This is literally 10 years ago. Me, lethal, even like frosty in the clutch. But we had like a Skype group. And it was like all sort of, even some pros that are still playing, Halo pros that are still playing.

But it's like we literally, that was our life was literally wake like our entire day was literally revolved around like waking up, maybe get food. But it's like you're sitting at the computer and you're like in a sky. call. You're in a Discord call. I wonder if any of these new none of these new fucks probably even know what Skype is, but Skype was my shit. But we used to sit in calls and

literally all of us had our videos on. Literally just all sitting there with their videos on. Some people might be playing matchmaking and I feel like I haven't had that. And damn, it's been a while. It's just crazy how bad Skype.

It's crazy how bad Skype was. There was no. like way to organize it you just had huge groups and there was people just like thing ding ding ding ding like putting their stuff in but that's how like it all started that's how I meant Aaron was that's how Aaron and I used

to be in Skype calls when did you meet Aaron I was 22 and he was 15 Jesus Christ yeah that wasn't that not sketchy at all looking back on that you're my best friend now like think about in real life that would be

so fucking weird Yeah. But I mean, I've definitely had friends like that as well. Yeah. I mean, even now I'm fucking 31. What's shots he? 21? Yep. And it's like, I could hang out with him. It's like, is this weird? It is weird. I feel like there's exceptions in the gaming world. I mean, there's exceptions in every world. Yeah. I forget Matt Craig is like that much younger. I think Matt is like 26. And I'm like 20. I was scared you were going to say like 24.

No. But like, I think, I mean, he might be 25. I don't know. But like 26? I was 26 in the Scuff House. Was I 26 in the Scuff House? No. Yeah, I'm trying to think when I'm, I think I might have. Okay, no, I was 26 right out of the Scuff House. Like, when we first moved here. But still, I mean, that's y'all. Am I the oldest? I am the oldest out of like, at least like the HQ. Is world older than me? I kind of thought I was older than him. I don't know. Man, Big T is old. A year older than you? Well, I think we might be the same age. There's no way he's 32.

I'm just wondering if I'm the older, besides like Hutch, Diesel and those people, I feel like I might be the oldest optic person in Dallas right now. Let's see. I did just, bro, this is crazy. Just had my birthday, turn 31. It's literally, uh, there was. nothing to celebrate. Yeah, he's 31. When was he born?

July 3rd. Damn, he is older than me? Damn. Damn, Will was old. When did Will retire? Uh, 2014. What did he have, like, a four-year career?

Just fucking, like, won a bunch and... Yeah, no, Cod4... For two years, Blockups... Or Mono for two, Blockups One. Monofer 3 Blockups 2 5 games So 6 years

Because Cod 4 Cod 4 was a two year cycle And I think he played it both years How many wins does he have It's like 23 or 25 Something like that Yeah he had a lot It's so

It's so like the will Because I never really paid attention to Cod But like the will that I know It's like hard to It's hard to imagine him main stage like like scream like did he ever do that

like did he scream callouts did he ever rage did he ever get pissed like throw a controller like no is is there like a super chill pro I guess he's kind of like snakebite in a way yeah but snakebite will like not freak out but like

calmly sort of freak out on his teammates and like call him out I don't know about Will might have done that I don't know who it's crazy because that those days there wasn't like an IGL. Like there wasn't, is there, are there IGLs in Halo? Not really. Nah, I think that's more of like a, I mean,

there's sort of always that one person who. It's more vocal. They're more vocal and they think they're IGL, but it's like, no, you're just, you're just talking more than the rest of it. Like, we, we kind of know, we know what we're doing.

You guys also have coaches that talk during the matches. So that's different. Because for a lot of games. But I mean, for Halo, most of the coaching shit was just like power-ups. Yeah. Like I know, I mean, there was probably a few coaches that would like actually give some input. But for the most part, it was just like power-ups, stay alive.

Like, they can kind of see if like someone has your help. Yeah. Yeah, that was about it for Halo coaches. Do you think, do you think it's easier nowadays that, like, like power-ups basically have their own in-game timer? Wait, don't they? Or do coaches still call power-ups? I remember at one, some

Halo game I was playing, I can't remember, but it would like, you would see like, it would pop up and say sniper in 30 seconds and it counts down. Does that happen on this game? I can't remember. Halo Infinite, yeah. It happens on Halo Infinite. Do you like that or just like that? I don't like it.

No, I think, I think Halo 3 was like kind of perfect to where when you get it, you have to like memorize, like, all right, two minutes from now. Like OVs at 34 or like something like that. I kind of like that. Because it is kind of crazy how there's been so many times where like I get OV at 34 and it's like two minutes later. I'm like I have no idea when I got that shit. I'll even I'll get it and I'll say the time, but it's I'll totally forget.

So the coaches were. Two minutes in an e-sports game is like, it feels like an hour. Yeah, it's fucking forever. Like so much shit happens. And it's like... So much happens. And even when you like get the over shield, you're sort of,

you're probably battling for it. You're like not really, like it's not like, you just like pick it up and fucking, it's ingrained in your mind. There's just always shit going on. You forget about it. Coaches were,

you would say for Halo, it was the times. And probably just like hyping you up. Like sometimes if you're feeling yourself and your coaches behind you, you and you know your coaches behind you watching you? Yeah. It's like, I don't know, it kind of gives you a...

That's all coaches were in Cod for a little bit. Yeah, right? Like, what the fuck? They were just hype squad. Does POMage think he has... Didn't they win that event? Mosh's won and O. Pimage has never lost.

Does Pumage have a Cod championship? He does. Pomage has a chip. One event as a coach. Happened to coach the best team in Cod history, but... Wait, who was the team? the dynasty in formal

really Seth Damon yeah damn I was at that event that is the only time I've been jealous in my in my entire optic career I never wanted to compete

never wanted to go on stage never wanted to hold a trophy but when when they were like Pomage you should coach I was pissed what you wanted to coach I wanted to coach that shit would have been so fun

wait what year was this 2016 So you like weren't I was really I was doing vision Oh That's why I couldn't Oh yeah yeah yeah

I was doing like vision Like nonstop That was like one of my favorite visions I remember I even remember how it started Wait click it Yeah right We got a

We got a new little setup today Yeah we're good Hopefully it's going smooth Uh I still remember how I started It starts with Seth going like this I don't know why you did it But it looks so cool

I don't know why he did that Shazel Pimage He better not tell people he is a chip I bet you does And he better not think he fucking He's got one, you've got one, Pam He better not think he contributed To that way and you contributed

I wonder, I would love to hear a listening Of like Seth has a pretty funny story Yeah Because Seth, Seth died He said he died in a hard point He died like four or five times straight And then he hears Pam go

Let's go Seth he was like I know I'm getting shit on though that's funny yeah I would love to hear a listening And it's funny It was funny because Ian was like Trying to give him

He was like dude you don't even have to do anything up there But like Hype is also like on fringe If we're rotating this way I can only imagine Krim like trying to I just remember him like Trying to give him a few like tips And I remember thinking like this

He's not. gonna remember any of this. Because I would not have remembered anything. Yeah. I guess if anyone can, well, I don't know. I feel like Krim would just fucking rage. Speaking of Kod.

What the fuck? Talking about the war zone thing? No. Wait, what are you talking about? Optic. Our Kod team. Oh my God, dog. Page texts me the other day.

It was like, hey, we're all at the bar. We're all stressed out. And I kind of thought that that's what it was about. But I don't think that was what it was about, but. You got the bar last night? No, it was like a few days ago. I think all of you went to the bar. You, Roger Page, Matt, maybe.

Oh, yes. Yeah, yeah. When I think bar, I don't think Cheetos. We were out Cheetos. You guys didn't hit the club. Like, oh, man, what a fucking long day. Yeah, what a day. No, I mean, that shit was wild.

Did you, I'm sure they've talked about it. I know like Daschia streamed. They've all streamed except for Ender. Ender comes back soon. And I'm sure they all talked about it, sort of. Yeah. They all talked about it in a way. It really depends.

From what Seth said, I'm just going to quote the players, because that's the only way I won't get in trouble now because fucking guys like to clip shit from my stream and take it out of context and put it on. fucking YouTube. Has that happened recently? All of you guys. In the last three days.

Yeah. But what Seth said is that basically it's up to Ender for how deeply he wants to discuss it whenever he gets back. As far as like Ender's situation. And then he said basically what Seth said on his stream, what Seth said on his stream is that, you know, they thought they had to make changes.

And because, you know, things, it was such a stressful year. like everything was going smoothly. Like, think about the first two. We had the most wins in CDL history straight. Or were we tied with phase or something like that. And then Andrew gets hurt and basically it's just a whirlwind the whole year. And then so they were like, I think they just finally talked about it and said, you know.

Yeah, I'm not going to lie when I heard of something like a roster change happening. I was like, I don't know. And then I heard some names of like, I don't even know. It's like, fuck. I don't even know how much I can say. Yeah. But it's like obviously something was happening with the team. You hear like other names being brought up and it's just like, I don't know, man.

I don't know. Like, Ender, I mean, it's hard to tell with the fucking injury. It's like, how can you really judge it? It's like, I don't know. the pain or I don't I don't even know like really anything about it I know it's like something with its thumb but I just feel like these

Ender in Dashie are just like they're just too good so I was I was very very relieved to hear that they were going to figure it out yeah same that's what I that was the biggest relief for me

because also like like I just genuinely enjoy this team same I genuinely enjoy walking into the HQ and seeing Dashie. Right, right. Same. And like,

because he's always fucking there. He was there yesterday and like saying hi to him and just like how. I mean, I felt, I felt personally like crushed for formal and Paige. Because they're both really close with, with Bruce. And to be like losing like a brother basically.

Paige and Dashie fucking besties? Besties? No. She's like an older sister. That's how she is with everybody Yeah, she literally is a caretaker Yeah, she goes, what do you need? Groceries, you need a ride, you need this, you need that

And they'll all like, both of them will like I never had a brother or sister So I don't know what it's like But I'm assuming that's what it's like Where like they'll like Kind of roast her and she'll roast them back Like That is a good thing about page

She said she dropped formal off at the At the airport One day And Formal the whole time he was riding to the airport was saying how much he hated her car. She was like, I'm giving you a ride. I'm giving you a ride. And then he said the last thing that he, the last thing that formal said when he got out of the car before he got on the plane was, hey, pick me up at this time and please have a different car when you get here. That's fucking hilarious.

Formal is a little shit. I know, but it's like, it's all in good fun though. It's so fun. It's just the funniest. That is the funniest way to describe their interactions. Yeah. That's literally, I feel like how formal. If formal likes you, that's kind of how he'll treat you.

Which is good. If formal is nice to you, you better run. If formal is just like very cordial. You know he's talking shit about you behind your bag. And like basic and he's not fucking with you. It's kind of like, oh shit. I don't think he likes me. Yeah, that was a crazy, crazy week, man.

Yeah, I know me and formal. Might have been on my birthday. and I think we were talking about it a little and he was like, what the fuck, man? Like, dude, he's like, dashes, like, too good. Like, that she's, like, so good. I mean, but also, I know through my fucking 58 year halo career

that, like, there are times where, like, someone is so skilled, but it's, like, something, I don't know, like, I don't even know, like, internally what was happening with them. But it's like almost sometimes that you, you have your ego to where it's like, no, I could still like, I could find someone else. I'd still do good. But it's like, I don't know, man. Like I've, I've definitely made some mistakes of like dropping people I shouldn't of. Yeah. And then regretted it. And it's like, dude, we should have just. I mean, it's a,

it's a weird thing because in Cod, like the statistics should speak for themselves. And that's one thing, like I was going to miss, I was going to miss Bruce a lot, but people were like, you know, saying that it's impossible to win without him. That's what, that's what, like, that's how it seems like a lot of people were, we're talking. But like, if you look at Selium, Ceyam is the best, best they are in the world. And they didn't want to chip the whole year. The whole year they didn't want to chip. So it's, it's definitely more than individual talent. Like, it's a, it is a team-based game. And that's why, that's why we look so good at major one. and after major one,

it's just because we were fra, like every single, every single map, we were just frying, it seemed like, even the maps we were losing, we weren't like getting stomped. So it's definitely,

like you have to find, I don't know, it's got to be a, it's got to be, uh, everyone is on the team. The thing about what this team is, being around them,

I feel like they're, they're definitely very comfortable with each other, even like, Ray, sender. Like, I feel like they're all very comfortable with each other. So it'll, it's like, I'm sure they had like a real talk of like, like, whether it was like something in practice that they didn't like

or like someone was doing this, under with his thumb or I don't, I really don't even know what the fuck it was. But they're like, I feel like they're close enough to literally what Seth said on stream is like they hashed out everything. Yeah. Like, I feel like they'll genuinely...

Because some people might look at it like, oh, I don't know. They might have, like, made a decision. Then they sort of took it back and it might be sort of sketchy. But no, I don't think that's... I don't think that's... As close as they are, I don't think that's what it'll be at all. I think it's... I'm glad they had to talk...

Talked it out. And they're ready to run away. I think it was needed. Yeah, I'm sure. I'm sure it was. It was probably fucking needed. It's weird because that's something I'll never... I'll never experience is playing in the biggest tournament of all time and then losing and then not talking to your teammates after.

And then you just have you just have no idea what's going on. Bro, I can't imagine Seth on vacation afterward. Seth takes his first vacation ever. And it's literally at the fucking most like stressful period of his like cod career almost. Yeah. That's such a meme now. Don't ever vacation again Yeah

Yeah I can only imagine what Seth Just like trying to chill in Hawaii And just has to Checks checks Twitter every once in a while And it's just like Yeah I don't know if there was Was there like a deadline Or something?

Like kind of while he was No no not while he was there But there is a deadline Yeah I'm sure this is This is like C I fucking knew it This is why I didn't see See X You try to fucking convince me

To go on this vacation and now look. Yeah. Just fucking stressed out of his mind. But I'm sure that'll be good. Well, I'm glad we got the same team. I'm glad Seth's not retiring. And I'm glad we're going to...

I'm not going to lie. I was like a little gutted. I was like, man. Because like something about this or... There's just been a few optic cod teams that I've really like... Like, I like this theme. It's almost like back in the day

when like Mixwell was on the team. It's like, I kind of like this C. team. Yeah. And it's like sort of the same with God right now. So I was like, I don't know, when I heard something was happening, I was like, man, like this is kind of going to change shit. But. Yeah. That's that, I mean, that CS team will always be my favorite. Like Mixo Rush, Terrick, Neff. I saw, um, I saw like a Merry, it might have been like a Merry Christmas optic picture and it had like the gears guys, the CS guys. I think it was like the new Halo team.

And I was like, holy shit, those were the days. What a run, dude. We won, we won, what, we won E-League, then we won Halo Worlds, and then we won Cod Chants in the same year. Fucking insane.

Yeah, that was nuts. Those were good times. I didn't know our Valerite team. I saw, like, some Twitter posts that our Valorant team has the most views. Our Valor team is insane. Are they that good? Yes.

Like, what have, is the season over? No, they're about to go into the biggest tournament. They're going into their champs. See, I'm not going to lie. I haven't paid attention at all. But also, you don't play Valoran. I also have, I played the beta for a day. Yeah.

And that's, that's as far as. No, I really love, I really like our Val team as well. They're super cool guys too. But that is, they have the most, I think it was like the most time watched. Yeah, the most watch time. Is it like on stream time? During tournaments? During tournaments, yeah.

It's because our, I mean, our guys are just, they're so good. Are they actually nasty? Yeah. What, uh? Yay is like, yay is like super watched. What's their rank?

Well, we won two tournaments ago. And then last tournament, we got like top three, I think. I can't remember top three or top four. So three teams qualify. I think three teams qualify out of N. And we, we qualified. And then one qualified through a LCQ. I could be, I don't have this in front of us.

But we already, we have like high and above qualified. And then. You don't know like what seed they are. 100 D's made that like, well, it's weird how. Yeah, I don't know how it. There's like four different group plays that are in bracket form. So I don't know if there's like an official seating. Do you remember, have you ever watched like a CS tournament?

You know how they do the, the, their pool play? No. Oh, wow. It's basically if you win two games, you're in. If you lose two games, you're out. So next is like the worlds, the cod champs of Valerie. Where is that at? Istanbul.

Where the fuck is that? Why'd you put me on the spot? You should know, you American? You don't know. Is it Turkey? I'm so, I'm so bad. Are you going to go to that? Yeah, it's Turkey.

Damn, I should have said it confidently. It's Turkey. No, I don't think. think I'm going now. Do you know the prize pool? I bet it's insane. Let me see. Valerant

Champions Istanbul. Liquidpedia. I don't see the prize pool on here. Hold on and I will find it. I bet when the tournament comes up, Hex is always fucking asked, like, for these like random trips. I feel like hex always asked me like,

you want to go to fucking whatever the fuck Toronto or Istanbul Yeah I might actually be down though

That'd be kind of lit I kind of love I kind of love going to other countries It's going to be so sick I'm so excited And I'm happy for I think only three teams From N.A. got in

Oh shit I'm happy for 100 Thieves as well because they made that crazy Losers bracket or last chance qualifier run Yeah I got to watch Valer it more I mean, I'm definitely going to peep this tournament.

I kind of want to go, low-key. You should go. I love visiting other countries. Where is it, Turkey? Turkey. I've never been to Turkey. Where's Turkey? Where's Turkey?

I don't know. Oh, it doesn't, it doesn't, teams are paid 50% of net proceeds from the champion's skin collection. Oh, so it's a, it's a crowd funded. Jesus. Yeah. Yeah. It's crowdfunded, which is going to be in.

You know how many people play this game? Yeah. That's nice. I remember when Halo was the first crowdfunded, like, worlds, and nobody was playing Halo 5, and it was still a 2.6. Dude, that's insane, man. $2.6 million. I'm telling you, it fucks with me to this day.

That what? That, literally, it was like, I don't think it was the year I, was it the year I retired or the year after when there was a world. No, because you guys tried to LCQ. win to that tournament. Well, I'm just saying, well, either way, I wasn't a part of it, but it was like, of course, I retire and, oh, $2.8 million tournament.

It's like, what the fuck, man? Like, there's so many people that I kind of thought I was better then. And it's like, they just made $170,000 off getting fucking third or something like that. That event was fun to watch, the Halo 5 one. Halo yeah Halo 5 was the first No one no one fucking played it at all But like everyone kind of watched There were three worlds right

Or there were there only two Was it 2017, 2018 2019? CLG wins the first one I think Snakebite or I think CLG was the first one Optic wins a second one And then Splice wins a third

Yeah It was either another worlds or it was just a big tournament. I can't remember. So much money, man. You guys don't understand the fucking the change that I literally was like pocket change. Well was the winningest player in Cod history and probably combined had won 250, actually no, he won he won the million tournament. He won the he won CodXP so that's 100. So he probably won two, yeah, probably like maybe 300 grand. Yeah. now our cities has been playing for four years

and has a million earned the number one most earned player also he just got dropped how crazy is that did he get dropped yeah he didn't been keeping up with this shit he tweeted that he got dropped so that that team so now now the debate is is that team

because now they've made a change is that team considered a dynasty selium or they're definitely considered a dynasty but where did they win it at all? They didn't win an event this year. Damn, that's crazy. But last year they dominated and they won champs. And in the year before that.

I mean, there's still like a, what, number, weren't they still number one seed? Because they just get like second every event. Number one seed, but never won a chip. I think that's wild. There's also a debate going on. I want your take on this. There's a debate going on right now in Call the Duty.

that CDL pros versus war zone pros and who's better. The fuck? Yeah. That's a debate. It's a big debate right now. How about I take a piss because I have to piss really bad? And I'm also pissed off. Okay.

Because who thought of this? It's all over Twitter. It's basically trending. Yeah. So there's a debate going on right now that CD, that CD, that CD, Pro's or that Warzone pros could compete in the CDL. No. Just fucking no.

Look at Seth. In the, what was it? World Series of Warzone. I bet you war zone kids hate that. I bet you they hate it. Because Seth and Shotsie competed in the 2v2 and they didn't do well at all. I mean, there's a re... Look at all the...

I mean, I'm really not that familiar with the Warzone pros. Look at all the Warzone pros. They're all like CDL players who couldn't place is good. Is that actually a discussion? Yeah, it's going on right now. What is this, a Reddit? No, it's on Twitter. It's like trending on Twitter right now.

Who do you think? Oh, I think Warzone players would get bent over and absolutely demolished by CDL pros. I don't think it would even be close. I think if every CDL player, went to war zone, there would be one or two of these war zone pros that would actually like keep up and like kind of still plays. If the CDL went to war zone, there would be no war zone pros. All of those war zone pros would get would get boxed out in my opinion. Clip that uploaded to Twitter. I mean, you got to think that who are the best players in war zone. You got to think Tommy rated at a time. I haven't kept up in forever. Tommy rated. I mean, Biffle, uh, Aiden. And Aiden's the only, only one that never tried to be a cod player skumman i mean scumman biffle are s and d kids so they they

compete at almond they all were s and d kids in my i think i think that's how it started and then you know they switched to war zone and now they're the best at war zone and then tommy and rated were ex-pros like they were they played on professional teams yeah so there's like there's a reason they had to switch to war zone yeah because they just I don't know what Tommy was placing or any of the other guys I'm assuming they were like a top 12 CDL team

and just not performing that well I can't no that's got to be trolley it's not trolly people can't actually like do you look at the replies and actually see people like yes but and I get I get the reasoning no no I get the reason

I get the reason of why there's a discussion. It's because Warzone players have more eyeballs on them day to day than CDL does. So it's like people watch them and they're like, holy shit, this guy's nasty. I mean, it happens. It happens in every Eastport. Like there's someone who, I mean, I don't know if it happens in Halo because for some reason there's not a lot to do casually on Halo infinite. I didn't mean to bring that back up. But like...

That's old news. But you got to... Aidan has 3,000 people watching a stream on a day-to-day basis. They see how good he is. Swag has 10,000 people watching his stream on day-to-day basis, and they see how good he is. They don't see how good dash he is. Because Dash, he's not streaming his scrimms every single day. So then you watch your favorite...

You watch your favorite... It's the same way how I... thought no one in the world could beat. Who was the, who's the, the Asian battle rapper that was, that was really, really good. And he won a, um, found it? No, not, not dumbfounded, but the, the guy who won every, uh, gin, gin, he won every freestyle Friday. And I was like, he's the best.

No one in the world can beat him. And then you find out about smack. And then you find out about grind time and all that. And you're like, wait. just because the guy that I watched beat up on random people, whoever the fuck those guys were. Random people in the lobby.

Yeah. And I'm like, he is the best. No way anyone can beat Jen. And then I see Jen versus I can't even remember. He had like a actual, yeah. Was it Jen versus Sirius Jones? And he just gets demolished. Does he?

Just demolished. I'm not gonna, I'm not gonna lie. I've kind of been in my battle wrap bag lately. Yeah. And it's the same... I kind of want to watch that again. I mean, I think the same thing can happen with, like, the professor.

I'm trying to relate... The basketball player? Yeah, I'm trying to relate, like, content versus pros in other aspects. People probably think the professor... There's probably people that watched streetball and watched the professor, and they're like, there's no way he can't go to the league.

There's definitely a way he can't go to league. There's some TikTokers that are, like, super... Like, they go viral on TikTok because they're, like, so nice. Yeah. But I saw this one guy who's like, he has a hell of popular page... Just from like basketball content, like super good handle.

And like he's just, everyone just like sort of hypes him up. And then he uploaded a clip of playing an NBA player I haven't even heard of. I mean, I'm not that familiar with the NBA. Like I know like the superstars. But it was like some, he probably is really good. But some NBA player. And he played him one on one and just got smoked. Then it scored, didn't even, couldn't even touch the ball.

The NBA, like, it's just totally different. It is a different level. Just because you take your guy, just because, I mean, this is going to sound disrespectful to the Warzone throws, and I'm not trying to disrespect them, but just because you can go play pickup and you are the best player on the court. The best player, but far and wide the best player on the court, doesn't mean that you can play the professional. You can even be the best player in college. Yeah. I don't think the Warzone players think that, though. I think some of them do.

I dead-ass think some of them do. Do you call them out? No. Because I think some of them don't. There's no way. There's absolutely no way any war zone pros think they can hang in the CDL. Maybe be on a top 12 team. I think there are a loyal ravens, London Ravens.

Don't do that to the Royal. Loyal, Royal. The Paris Legion is. the Paris League. Okay, the Paris, whatever. I'm just, sorry. But there's no way, like, maybe they could get on a spot there.

And by that, I mean, Tommy. See, I think, I think, I think the only war zone player, and even CDL people would get mad at me for saying this, the only exclusively warzone player that could even have a shot

playing on a CDL team is Aiden. And that's because he's just, he is good. He has no, he is. that's no practice. No, no, no. I'm not saying

drop everything right now. I'm saying with time, like he could, if he wanted to switch. You think he's just like naturally good, like almost like a shotsy before he fucking. He's like stupid good. Aiden is stupid good.

And he's always been good. I mean, look at him and he competed on the biggest stage of Fortnite and then switch to Cod. He could switch to Apex if you wanted to. Aiden, what do you think about this? Someone clip this and sent it to him.

But not, and I'm not saying Aiden could win in a, event or win a cod champs or i mean i would be totally surprised if he could even hang in the top 12 i think he could maybe get on a team is what i'm saying i don't think i i i think there is a huge dissociation with how who's the best war zone player some people say biffle some people say aiden some people say thomas is it really aiden that's crazy yeah there's like there's like because i only know aiden from fortnight and somehow we follow each other i feel like we're friends never spoke, never anything.

His tits are on my timeline. Some nice tits he's got. Honestly, some of the tip picks, I'm like, how is this even allowed? How is this? It's literally a fucking full-blown. It's breasts.

It's breasts. Like he perks them up. They look good. He lost a lot of weight, though. Shout to him. He's on his grind. Doesn't he live around here? I don't know.

Or like maybe Alston. Maybe it's just in Texas somewhere. Dude, Texas is huge. Yeah, Texas is massive. Alaska's massive. Alaska is massive, man. Have we talked about this? No.

No? Oh, yeah, yeah. No, we were talking about it. Because remember I said Alaska is the most western state in the United States, even farther west than Hawaii. Think about that. Alaska is farther west than Hawaii. That's how big Alaska is.

I can't believe. people still live in Alaska. Shouts out at Aiden though. I still don't know if he could hang. It's crazy because I threw a tournament last year, a 4V4 MW tournament. It was a best of five in winner's bracket and losers bracket. It was hard point, hard point

search or destroy. And Aiden, Tommy, noobs, Aiden Tommy noobs and Almond were a team. Dude, I've been in fun tournaments and have to play against him and I'm like, so I bust out the rocket launcher and riot shield and try to troll.

Yeah. So that, but this is a, this is a CDL tournament and they wanted to play in it. They played against Shotsie, dashy, selium and I can't, Abizi, I think.

It was somebody like that. And they on, wait, say that team again. Shotsy, selium, dashy, and I think it was Abe. That's a scary squad.

Yeah. It was, Or maybe it was illy. It might have been Inder. It was Inder. It wasn't Abe. That's a scary squad. So I'm watching them.

And somehow that team, they both meet losers. So it's best of three. And they play Ramaza Hardpoint, which there's no way these Warzone players have ever played Ramaza Hard Point before. And still, it was like, besides Tommy, because Tommy competed in that game. But so Tommy's trying to tell everyone where to go. And it was still. It was still like 250 to 163. Like that was the end of the game.

So it wasn't, it wasn't horrible for being such a, such a crazy squad. Yeah. Like that is not that bad of it, of a, of a game. Yeah. That is a, that's, that's a little bit of a surprise. I don't want to be disrespectful because it's not like we're, it's not like we're downplaying. But, but this is something. War zones its own skill.

This is something that people in Call of Duty have been saying. forever. People will watch like I can't even TBNR Frags or T-Martin or somebody, they'll watch them play in Blackups 2 and they're like, that's the best player in the world. Like there's no one better than them. And then they'll play Scamp or they'll play Damon and it's like not even

it's not even the same wavelength. Yeah, it's totally different. Even people in Halo I'd play with it's like if we search matchmaking, it's fucking they're just, they're going off they're like plus 20 at the end and it's they do it so consistently and this is honestly this is

this I feel like I always used to happen to me whether I search matchmaking or play against pros I felt like I was always sort of like plus two nag one something like I'm just I'm sort of falling in in there yeah but there were some people like I remember I had a like

snipe down to Zoxic demon D the three one of the some of the best online players of all time. Teaming with them was fucking insane. Playing matchmaking with them, literally I don't even know if I had to play, but it was the easiest shit ever. But come tournament time,

when like shit's really on the line, it's just, it like completely changes. Like some people, like I think we used to call them like noob slayers or they're just, they're like in matchmaking, they just go off.

Yeah. And it's like they, they know how to do. nominate noobs but in like in a tournament and a super serious situation and this is sort of what I always prided myself on was like play matchmaking whatever uh snipe down drop plus 20 against me whatever but in like a in like a serious tournament situation it's like that I mean he probably I mean I guess he won a little bit more than me but uh and I guess he plays a little higher than but in like in actual tournament situations it's just like it's just like it's

completely different. People just fold under pressure is what you're saying? I wouldn't even say fold. It's just some people are just all-stars at killing nobs. Yeah. Like I'm sure there is some Warzone players that have absolutely no chance against CDL pros. But like in Warzone, they will out kill Skump every single time. Yeah.

Just because they're finding more people. Yeah, they're just better at killing nobs. There's people like that in Halo as well. even in Halo 3 when I was in 2020 when I was cracked out it's like there was some people I'd play with and like they were like absolutely nobodies

I might call him out should I call him out like this guy fatal this guy fatal that I used to play with in Halo 3 2020 we search matchmaking he's going off he searches against me he's going off but in like a

say like a money aides or like when it becomes serious or like money's on the line or it's like pros or whatever it's like they just sort of just fall into like another player yeah what do you get I get kind of tilted but I mean I get tilted in every optic team in this way but like what do you think of like people calling our current team on liners because that's something that I see everyone in the in the in the specifically in the Halo community say is that we're on liners oh our Halo team team right now.

Because we lost the Sentinels. I mean, how many events has there been three? There's been three events and we've played one event with our, with current team. Yeah, it's, I don't know. The thing is, it's like,

I understand what it's, I, there's definitely and totally an online thing. Like, to be honest, if I was playing against our optic team, I was like, there's so much fucking better online.

Yeah. But they're, it's not like they get to land in their worse. Like I don't know if like people blame the Texas hex quarters ping and that like sort of everyone's trippy APG formal they're all here. Yeah. And that it's just unfair and like lucid will fly here for tournaments and that it's unfair. But I mean like other teams did that for this this pat, this recent online tournament.

It's super. And it was still the same result. And then, but I guess The two teams in the finals were Optic and G1 Which were the two teams that flew to Texas Oh, really? Yeah, and they were... But I mean, there was a few teams.

I think, uh, did Sentinels do it? Sentinels might have did it. I think Sentinels flew here for it. Uh, I don't know. There definitely is an online factor though. Some people, I don't even know if it's fair to say they're better online. But formal has always been a god online.

ABG has always been a god online. But they've also won tournaments too. Yeah. And because they are their gods. Yeah, right. Like they're super good. But it's like thinking, and I only say this because I'm not going to lie, I was one of those people that were just complaining about online kids.

I was like, these guys are so much better online. Because I genuinely did feel like I have such a better opportunity of beating these guys if if at a tournament like at a tournament the series are so much harder there's so much like formal's not dropping a plus 20 on me or like i don't know that's just but i mean at the at the end of the day they they were just better than me but there is i don't know man our team is to we're not like random enough like it's formal apg lucid and trippy. Yeah.

For people that have completely and overly like proved themselves. So I don't know. It's not, it's definitely can't call them just like onliners. Yeah. Plus we've only had one tournament at a land. I mean, we'll see in Orlando. But even then it's one land tournament. It's if there was, I guarantee, if there is, I don't know if I guarantee.

But I guarantee that. if there was a land tournament every two weeks that these players flew to, like Optic would still probably be number one. Yeah. Number two. Yeah, yeah. Like they would still be up there. But it's just, it's hard to say because, I mean, can you even count?

Like, people call them on liners, but it's like, okay, they get to a tournament once every four months. And it's like, oh, that's what means what the better team is. Like, whoever was playing the best on a, on a random, Sunday and every four months, that's who the best team is. It's like, I don't know, sort of have to take everything into consideration. Yeah. But yeah, they are better online. No, I'm kidding. No, I'm kidding. I hope to, are you going to go to Orlando? I can't go to Orlando, but I do want to go to Worlds. You have to go to Worlds. I'm going to go to Worlds in Seattle. I might have to fly, I might have to fly up

Friday night or Saturday morning for Worlds, but I'm gonna go. You already have shit planned? Yeah. You actually might have to go Saturday morning as well. Why, what is that? I can't tell you, but I'll tell you after this, but I don't know about it yet? No. But trust me, you're gonna... For Worlds? What was I just talking about before we got on

the couch? Why did I have to cancel yesterday? That's why. Okay. So you kind of have to go to that. Fuck, yeah. I guess I don't have a choice So are you going to You're going to Orlando? Yeah

Shit, when is Orlando? Uh I don't know the exact date But I'm thinking September 20 something 20, yeah, you're right Maybe like a 24th Yeah, I was gonna say like a 24th or something Yeah, I'm gonna go to that

You want to go to Disney World? No Together? No Maybe No Forgot you have a crush now you should take her to Disney World

Hey do you want to go watch Halo and Optic party? Should I take her to this? The optic party? Yeah, you should. You're going to the optic party, right? Paige is trying to convince me to go there. Well, you have to go.

I don't know. I fucking already know. It's like, yeah, I'm there. You can take someone, though. It's my duty right after this to try to convince Seth to go. Really? Pray for me.

because that should be And Paige even said like formal I was like I think I can get formal there if I can get Trippy there And I think Trippy's easy Yeah Trippy will want to go Trippy loves a nice low adventure

He does Yeah he might be down for that Formal Maybe if Trippy goes Because I know formal's excuse Would be no I got scrims But it's like no you don't No you don't

No you don't Tripp is going Got a Gotta get all evil with it. So is this going to be LA mansion, California. Yes.

Page, read set up by. She's put like a week worth of effort into this party. Yeah, she was like sending me videos of the house. It's really cool. And I was like,

I don't know. She was like, no, you like, you should come. And I was like, I know I'm going to have to come. Yeah,

you have to. It's not really going to be a. I just don't want it to be, because I know you're going to be there or I assumed. Now it's like, am I going to be the only one that's flying out?

It's just like me. No, I'm going to try to get other people there. Holly and her sister might come. Damon should come. I don't, she said it. Damon would get crazy. I would love for David to be there. But she said she,

isn't there going to be a ball pit? A ball pit or something like that. Yeah. A Pine Park bar. Yeah, we got to get, yeah. We got to get Damon and Holly to come. Yeah. But thank you guys for sitting down and chilling with us.

And also thank you to Elgado for supplying the wave mic, the wave three mics. The wave three mic. I even use this for my apartment stream. I use this for my stream too. Yeah. I actually, to be like not even like a plug, like I actually like literally just sit it on your desk and you don't like you don't need a mic in your face. These are the best USB mics ever. And there's a there's a little mute.

Now you can't hear me talking. again. Yes, there is a meat button. Yeah, thank you all for watching. Another five. What episode was this? 604. Episode 600 and four.

E-Mac, Craig. I have a question for you, though. Did we have outro music?