The Flycast - WHO WILL BE THE NEXT HECZ IN OpTic | The Flycast Ep. 56

Episode Date: November 15, 2022

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Oh, they counting on me. I got a stack of bread and you can count it for me. An old freestyle that I did. And he remade it. Music? Yeah. I bet if I went back and looked at my freestyles, I'd be like, maybe I wasn't that good. Dude, do you remember when we did the Eat the Banana reaction?

And we didn't freestyle at all. It was Eat the Banana. Who isn't a hammer? It was that for like four minutes. And then it was I mean it was still like Is that better than freestyleing though? It probably is

That makes me realize that A lot of people that go into the studio Like Like if you listen to a Travis Scott song Like I was listening to it earlier in the car And like there's no way he writes He just goes into the Yeah

Yeah It's lit And then like Like he probably sits there has what is it called when you punch in punch in yeah he probably punches in and then thinks of the next

lyric and then like what every rapper does yeah apparently that's what every rapper does like little baby doesn't write at all which is I don't I just don't understand how they can memorize it like it was crazy everyone knows like Jay Z doesn't write anything but like Jay Z will sit

I don't know if little baby and them are the same way but like Jay Z would his old engineer used to say this that he would like sit there listen to the beat, hum, and shit for a few minutes but then he would go in and he would spit like a full 16 and not mess up.

See, that's different. That's crazy. Yeah, that's different than what like punching in at like what these rappers do not is. Which is they'll say like one line and it's like, play back.

Have I linked you or have you seen Tori Lane's like make a song? No. I think he streams on Twitch, but they're on YouTube. But how he makes this song is like he like listens to the beat a little bit and then he'll like start and it's like he'll just say one sentence and then it's like stop and then it's like I don't even know what he said like I like his engineer just knows like runnerback and it's just he'll say a sentence runnerback.

Wait, even Tori Lane says it? Like when he's every when he's like rapping? Yeah. That's crazy to me. Every single bar is running back. And then he just like tries to find out of. find a new line. Because I dream.

I forgot about the song Dream from Torrey Lanes. And the living it up, a putting it down, a sip in the cup, a twist and a puzzle. Yeah, no,

if you, it's, like all that, he's all punching in. Like, he didn't sit down and write that. That's crazy.

The amount, the amount of work the engineer probably has to do, the amount of, like, going back one sentence, like he'll be doing it

for like an hour or like 45 minutes, and it's just one sentence at a time. It's literally just, one sentence at a time and it sounds like while you're listening to it but then at the end like they play it and it's like

holy shit some of Torrey Lanes when Toy Lanes like raps it's it's like unreal yeah it's my favorite toy Lange I don't who the fuck listens to Tori Lanes not rapping I mean he could sing he can definitely sing

I want to put you in seven position for 70 minutes I wonder if that's punched in too. I wonder if somebody writes his, like for singing rappers, like I always wonder what about their like singing portions are written by someone else. We haven't talked about the Drake album. Or in Lanes, I don't know. Also, did you listen? No, we talked about it a little at the end of the last one.

Yeah, yeah, we did. We did. And I liked it. And you said you hadn't listened to it. I've listened to it a lot now. that's all I've listened to since it's come out that's all I've listened to

yeah you didn't listen to the album in the week last week no I did oh you did yeah literally right when I left here I listened to it it literally reminded me of

growing up around like my dad's family because they're all like rock and roll like out by like the campfire and beers and shit everywhere and how that type of music would just be playing. I don't know what's like the genre

for that music? Well, that's a new band but they sound a lot like Led Zeppelin. And I didn't know if it was a girl. It's not a girl. The girl's the main singer, right?

No. That's not a girl. No, that's not a girl. Wait. No, there's no way. You guys don't know what we're talking about. We're having a weekly album part,

album listening party. Yeah, I got my album for this week too. Do you? And last week, I did Battle at Gardens Gate by Greta Van Fleet. Yeah, that's a fucking girl.

It's not a girl. Greta? Greta Van Fleet is the band. Okay, who's the singer? I don't know their names. They're like, that's a girl. They're brothers. It's not a girl.

Wait, that's not a girl. Yeah, but I saw you had a Led Zeppelin shirt on today. Yeah, I'd fuck with them heavy. You fuck with Led Zeppelin? Yeah. I love their first album for sure. What's your favorite at Love Zeppelin song? stairway to heaven

oh you look so proud you went stairway to have I swear I didn't buy these sweatpants and shirt at Target because they matched blue

yeah and I actually got this at a Led Zeppelin show at that show yeah the one in 1971 yeah I got this

well this they did have run it back tour they caught it oh okay So it was like a reincarnation of like their old tour from 71 and then they did it 2016 I think it was it was like right before I moved into the scuff house okay you were just in there yeah I went with a few old rock buddies I get that yeah some of the guys from my old band uh I was the drummer but yeah it's a pretty

old shirt I feel like you practice that I feel like I can't believe there dude there's an I whenever I was listening to Greta van fleet I was like oh this is a female it sounds like a female right the female lead singer I mean it sounds like to me they sound exactly like Led Zeppelin what was the what was the album the Battle of the Garden Skate yeah battle at garden skate dude what dude there's some really good songs in there I don't want to play it on here but it's like I have to refa refresh myself or refresh my mind to be like no that was like I wasn't tripping okay now

that I listen to it it's like no that's not a hero I they he sounds just like Robert plant to me maybe there was yeah no I I love that fucking song I thought it was a girl for some reason yeah I did this in two though it's a high-pitched singing high-pitched dude it was very it was very nostalgic for me yeah I have mine this week and it's nothing like like yours and i don't know how i randomly thought of it yeah we'll wait to the end but my shit's gonna start a revolution oh shit it's it's that fucking he almost kind of wraps like some shit hex would listen to yeah so it's like i know most of the people that listen to it are gonna be especially this day and age but but bit bit booby boobby boop but but but but but but there was a point

you know what he told me hector admitted it he admitted it my face I don't know if he's going to get mad that I said this. But I was like, I was like, I can't believe you like, like, like Aesap Rock. Like, Asop Rock, sorry. Because I like, I know, I know he's very talented. But like, he can't listen to him. I mean, how talented, how talented is he, though? I mean, everything he says rhymes.

And he uses extreme, like, vocab. I mean, yeah, he's, he's talented. So it's talent. But it's like, you can't bump it. It on the way to work. The only time you can bump ASAP Rock is when you're going to an ASAP rock show. Yeah, you might be right. And he was like, and so I told him, or I said something to him, and he was like, bro, you want to know the craziest thing?

It's like, I liked ASAP rock, but as soon as I heard that my friends didn't like him, it made me like him more. And that's why I love him. It's because none of my friends like him. So, Hex is the only one, even in his high school. His villains crew, like, that's what, like, that's why, and I was like, I love the pettiness. I was like, so you went from, like, kind of liking him to having his albums on your walls because just to, like, piss your friends off. And he was like. And I guess he actually does.

I thought you were going to say he doesn't really like him. No, he likes that. But, I guess he has this shit memorized. I'm wondering, see, I was one, yeah how do you even memorize that? There's like no like rhythm to it. He doesn't ride the beat. He's doing slam poetry

over a beat. B'Bah, an optic major, top of major, right? Right. But I was a major, all the dots are on. I was wondering if he even, if Hacks even listened to him

unless he was doing an Instagram story or riding with us. Like if he knew one of us was going to be in his car, I feel like he purposely would put some shit like that on you up the ace up yeah dude i've always said the craziest part about hex like the most psychotic part is that he doesn't listen to new music like no new music comes out and he like listens to it he doesn't listen to new albums he doesn't he doesn't listen he doesn't have an artist that's still like making music that he in noise i don't even know

the latest artists i've ever or not artists but like i guess artists and the music they put about what the latest one, what the latest person would be. See, I think, I think he would like this. Not even like early 2000s. Yeah. I think he would like this new, the new group,

um, that they went viral for the, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. I think, I think he would like them. They're called Coast Coast, Coast, Coast Contra, East Coast Contra or something. Coast Contra, something like that.

I think he would fuck with them. Because it's, I mean, it's basically like, very nice. 90s, Wu-Tang. Inspired, yeah. Dude, do you follow Anthony Fantano? Anthony San, Anthony, what's Anthony Fantano, right?

I don't know who that is. Bald guy who does album reviews? Oh, fuck. You should follow him. He's pretty fucking funny. And I used to be the biggest hater. Wait, did he wear glasses? Yeah.

No, I've seen him on TikTok. He's a Drake hater. Yeah, he is a Drake hater. I can't. If you're a Drake hater, it's like okay you don't really get it then so it's like every every everything you say is now everything you say now it's like sort of invalid to me because i just know you true you don't actually get it it's funny though because i also don't i also think drake stands are annoying like how academics

yeah they are i'll talk about like like stan stands like stanley stanley i mean we are very big fans let's not but like Drake could put out him going and academics would be like that's the best thing I ever heard. Academics is a Drake Stan? Yes. He's a Drake Stan so. He's a Drake Stan so much where Drake had to be like, yo. Really? I think I could be messing that all up.

But that's how, Anthony, I used to hate on Anthony's fans. I do. I don't even know who. I yeah when when I when you said the name I didn't know but then when you said he's a ball guy who does album reviews I was like I'm pretty sure I've seen that guy on tick talk yeah but he's only he only caught my attention because it was like listing albums and he was saying like overrated or like good or something like that and it was like some Drake album or Drake's maybe it was just Drake himself he was like overrated or maybe he was reviewing he also reviews other reviewers yeah yeah and I think they He reacts to other reviewers. He says L or W. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

That's what pissed me off. Because I think they were hyping up. Some other reviewers were hyping up Drake or saying like, Drake, this album, it was like, it was good or something. And he was like, L take.

I was like, you're a fucking idiot. I don't know. I don't like it. You're a nerd. I don't like him for some reason. You could just tell he listens to Kendrick all day every day. Yeah, he's one of those.

I'm just kidding. He, uh, Kendrick, Kendrick's, did you ever listen to Kendrick's last album? I mean, his last few, it's like, I feel like I semi-stop listening, not stop listening to, what's the, like, Black or the Barry?

Or was that the name of a song? There was one album. I thought it was damn. Damn was the last album I listened to, like, it was like, this shit's hard to. I think that was his last album, right? No, he's come out with a few, I think. I thought it was, I thought it was damn and then the one that just came out with, I know he came out with like an untitled album.

Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, the untitels. Wait, no, that was way before. I was in, I was working at Walgreens. I was working at Walgreens when that came out. The untitled shit? Yeah, because that was like. Oh, it was Black Panther the album. Oh, I forgot. So, and I like, listen to that. And I was like, all right, it's like pretty good music, but I'll probably never listen to it again.

Yeah. Some of those songs bang, though. And then, damn, I fucked with had been in the scuff house. I will literally never forget the first time hearing DNA. Like, I can't really listen to it now because it's been so fucking overplayed. I'm trying to think I heard it in my, bro. I used to blast that. I was listening to it in the shower.

I had a JBL speaker on in the shower. And I just kind of was like running through the songs. And then at the very end of damn, when it like starts going, I got, I get, I get. Or, no, that's. DNA. yeah yeah sorry at the very end of DNA but how does the end go when like the 808s just go crazy

dude I will I was in the shower doing this fuck it I had literally never forget when that song came out I don't think how this dropped that part this part I was in my heritage

I'm inheriting I was in a show dude I remember listening to that on my big ass speakers when I was like making music and shit. And I had those loud-ass speakers in my room.

Oh, the big yellow ones. Dude, that shit was insane. Do motherfuckers can't tell me nothing. I fucked with this album heavy. What's the song that when it comes on, you get tur? All of these songs are good. No, damn it, damn is a fucking, damn is like a classic. It's a classic.

It's fucking amazing. It's so fucking good. Then the Black Panther album didn't really listen. Mr. Moral and the big, and the big step-in-the-big-step-in-the-big-stepers. I listened I listened through it and then I just don't think it's very like an introspective album It's not like a there's not like bang there's the first the first track goes crazy It's a banger I think heart part five

The heart part five is crazy Is it? Have you listened? Have you seen the music video for it? He does like Like deep fakes he makes it turns himself into like Will Smith Oh I did see that did see that yeah that he just rap wasn't the hard you Used to be like a Drake diss? Or am I tripping? No. Like didn't Kendrick and Drake have a little beef at one point?

I bet you they still do. Yeah. Yeah, they haven't done anything together. Like, they don't mention each other. Not since, uh... Ow, man. Not since fucking, uh... Well, they did that one...

They did like a sex song together. Didn't they? They did a sex song together? Oh, wait. Maybe I'm thinking of Jake Cole and Drake. No, they... They did something together. it's like a sex song.

Hold on. Let me, let me figure it out. But yeah, they have, there's a, there's a station on, um,

on YouTube. Poetic justice. Poetic justice. Drake was on that? Yeah, Drake's on that. And Kendrick's on the interlude to bury it alive in.

Uh, that's crazy. Yeah. So like, that was the last time. Yeah. Dude. Take care.

It's perfect. Take care of your name. What did I tweet? I said, oh, it's okay if people listening to this are probably so sick of it. I said, it's okay if Drake's not your favorite rapper, but just admit that he's the greatest rapper of all time. That's a fair statement, right? Yeah. Who, who, who would be better?

But then you got the, which. It's funny because there are, I think there are. arguments there are sound arguments but then there are people that respond that everyone else is like okay let's ring it because some people will be like uh nf no and you're like well no fuck no no but then some people will be like jadicus and i've heard jadicus or like i've heard jadicus even say and maybe he might have been with like styles p or maybe styles p said it um he even says he even said that if you don't write like 100% of your lyrics,

like you can't even be talked about in that category. I was like, why? I saw, have you ever watched Math Hoffa's podcast? A little bit. So I forgot who was on, but basically he had somebody on that is a notorious

ghost writer. Like, that's what he does. And he was like the... You don't remember his name? I can't remember his name. I should know his name, but I totally forgot who it was. It might be somebody like super famous. too. Young Berg? What?

Young Berg? Young bird? Berg. No, I, maybe. I don't know. Okay. But basically he was saying, like, that's what I do as a full-time. Like, I used to try to make it as a rapper.

It might be. He was like, it's very hard to make it as a rapper. And I, you know, had, I was making my own music and stuff. But then I can get paid four times as much to write for someone else. And it's like four times as much to write for someone else. And then he said, Hitmaker? I'm telling you, I have no idea.

Because I just had it on the background. And he said, he said at one point, I'll never forget this. He said, I know artists, I have written for artists that it would make people cry if they knew I wrote for their artist.

And I was, at that point, I was like, holy shit. Was it, was it this guy? Yeah, him. Hitmaker.

Hitt maker. A young burg. young he used to be like a joke in the rap scene he'd get his chain snatch really everyone thought he was like this this soft kid trying to like be be a good and like have chains and tattoos and like face tats and like but yeah he used to get like robbed and shit but he actually i think he had like a few semi you would probably know one of his songs i probably would like i said i had i had the podcast on in the background i did i wasn't doing research yeah he's um Trying to think of one of this... But in that podcast, the one you were just showing me.

I'm not even going to play a shit. Yeah. But in that podcast, the one you were just showing me, he literally says, like... Or one of them say, you know, I know the industry well enough that, like, I know people... Maybe it was Mickey Fax that was saying this. He was like, people would cry if you found out that I wrote for your favorite artist, and I did write for your favorite artist. And it's like...

And I've thought about that ever since he said it. Because, like, some of the Drake shit is like, yes, I know he doesn't write, like, I know he didn't write a lot of his, like, like, ballads and shit. Like, fine. Or like the... Who the fuck cares? If he didn't write his AM and PM series, then I would be pissed. Like, I was running through to six with my woes. Like, he didn't write that part.

And it was like, I don't really care about that. I don't care about his hooks. I don't care about his hook. And, like, the... And no one, the thing is no one, no one. rapper that's on top sure like the Jada kisses and the Stalispie might write their own hooks

but like no one gives a fuck about their hooks like people will talk about Eminem but like usually when Eminem he gives like a lot of credit to people who write his hooks or he lets them write his own hooks but it's like the fucking

what is the song he did with Rihanna burn this house down Eminem and Rihanna and Rihanna You just make up a new song Burn this house down I'm tired to the bed And set this house on fire

And Eminem, Rihanna Forgot Where's Matt Craig when we need Where is Matt? They have Damn, they got a lot of songs They got Love the way you lie

I love the way you know They got Oh where Damn The Monster And that's on Marshall Mathers LP 2 Which kind of pisses me all

that they got a banger. They got... I like Marshall Mathers L.P. too. I know you don't like it. I don't, man. I love the way you like. So that song, Rihanna didn't write the hook. Eminem didn't write the hook.

There was another lady that wrote the hook. And then she wrote another hook for another Eminem song. And she was like, well, who do you want on this one? Like, who do you want? And he was like, oh, I want you on this one. So it's like, he gives a lot of... Oh, really? Yeah, so like, the ghost writer, I forgot her name.

But she's super famous now. but whoever because you know she does a bunch of like singing in the in the pop industry but yeah like I that's what I so I think about Mickey Fax saying that all the time is like who

is a rapper that if you found out they weren't writing their own? I don't think there is one I think unless it's like their actual unless it's a lot of their actual lyrics like their bars or like this

sometimes the shit I'll hear Drake say or it's like I don't I think I feel like you can just tell what he did right maybe didn't right by the way he wrote that a.m. that 8 a.m. track that 21 Savage does yeah he 100% wrote it he 100% it kind of pissed me off Drake wasn't on it because every time I see a.m. 9 p.m. 3 a.m. 5 p.m. 6 a.m. No you know it's going crazy.

Yeah. You know it's going crazy. I was kind of pissed when he wasn't on it. but he just did what the bridal path one brittle path i don't know he just did that one on his last album so he's not going to do another one this this close this yeah it's like a five year it is it's like a fucking every it's like three to five years but like give you that give that address to your drive and make it your destination like that shit is so hard to think another bridal path but yeah that if you listen to the 21st that Savage, like 8 a.m. track. It's 100%.

What if it's not, though? A hundred percent, Drake wrote it. I mean, you can probably look it up. Maybe. Do they have that? Because it doesn't even sound like 21 Savage's flow. It sounds like, like, 21 Savage has a very unique flow. And it's not like that at all.

It's almost as if they did it on purpose, in my opinion. I think I'm thinking too far into it. Oh, yeah. Like, what if 21 Savage just wrote it? No. They didn't write it. You're that guy doing a YouTube review. There's a fucking football scheme in it.

Then it's 21 Savage doesn't write his only lyrics. There's a football scheme in that, in that. I mean, I would not be surprised at all. Drake writes for a lot of people. Yeah, Drake wrote, Father Stretch My Hands, didn't he? He wrote. I think he, I think he might have. Which is fucking absurd.

Yeah, he's wrote for Kanye. Fucking, apparently he's wrote for a lot of people. He's even said it because he's like kind of addressed the the ghost writing shit. And it's so, and no, like, I'm fucking tired of dealing with bots to where when I tweeted that shit about Drake, like, it doesn't have to be your favorite rapper. Just like, can we all admit that he's the best rapper of all time? Every single reply is just like about him not writing his own shit or something like that. And it's like, dude, do you understand? for one he doesn't write

all of his own shit but like no one who does any rapper you care about doesn't like everyone has a whole team sort of in the studio with them and it's like they're friends or someone might say something

or they're like imagine if if I was a rapper and I'm in the studio and like you and Bose and fucking just people random people from optic random friends like they're in there with me it's like someone's going to say something and it's like, yo, you should do this or say this

or something like that. Like, it's just going to fucking happen. But literally every single reply to it was just like something about him not writing his own shit. And it's like, dude, there's not a single rapper that you care about that does write every single thing. Yeah. Dude, I was saying, I said that shit.

Maybe like a JD kiss or something, but I don't know. But it's like no one cares about him. No one talks about him like that. Yeah. as far as like best rapper of all time. I need a hawkalooie. That's gross. Well, I got to tell you guys that this episode of the Flycast is brought to you by Pringles.

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See, for me, there are. a few for me. First of all, if I found out, because when he said your favorite rapper, you would cry if you realize your favorite rapper, like I wrote for your favorite rapper. I started thinking, who would I be very upset about? Depends how much and what? Like, if there's certain songs where it's like, I got to go back, if I found out Wu-Tang Drake didn't write a single lyric for Wu-Tang forever, I'd be upset. if I found out if I found out

Lil Wayne didn't write a lot of didn't wrap a lot of um no ceilings I would be very upset I would be super upset I feel like Lee does though

I feel like he does too I would be upset we are so ready for the war C-A-R-T-E-R put the B-M-B-R I don't think anyone could actually wrap that though besides Little Wayne or write that that's what I'm saying

He doesn't he doesn't write it He there's just so many little He punches in as well Like he doesn't write There's oh yeah But he apparently he doesn't He does punch in But he he kind of wraps a little bit

Like Jay Z too Where it's just like he From what I've heard In interviews and shit It's like he'll think like four Six bars I have yeah I mean Drake always praises him as well Saying like his

technique And it's just like insane how he punches in like that and just has eight bars just just back to back to back to back to back just ready to go there's no fucking way I'd be able to do it yeah what's been going on in life

oh man it's been a fucking busy it's been so busy dude the off season has been extremely busy because is that like your do you mean the cot off season or like your off season they're caught off season they're caught off season is that though because I mean at Optic obviously we we everything is kind of centered around the the call of duty side of things you know we we have a bunch of

other e-sports and a bunch of creators and stuff but you know as far as like I was like what duty yeah Optic is a is a call-of-duty brand so like we we're you know we that's the only time where you know other shit is like We really have to hone in on other shit during the off season because, you know, whenever the CDL matches start, like, that's when everything is, like, all dialed in. Do you know when they do start? Um, yes, I don't think there are CDL matches before Raleigh. And Raleigh is, uh, December 16th. But, dude, my, my next couple weeks are crazy.

Are you traveling or you just got to do? Yeah, so. Hosting five tournaments? No, I'm done with tournaments. Actually, no, I'm not. No? I have a bunch of... Yes, no?

I have war zone tournaments. I'm done with multiplayer tournaments, but I have war zone tournaments lined up. But besides that, in December... So my mom's coming here for Thanksgiving, then she leaves, then we go to a trip. We go to a creator trip. Yeah. We come back from that creator trip. That'll be fun.

I'm kind of excited for it. Yeah, that'll be really fun. Then the day we get back, I fly to Arizona to go to Hudson's wedding. Congratulations, Hudson. I love you. Then fly back here. No, then fly to Vegas for e-sports awards. Then fly from E-Sports Awards to North Carolina for the CDO Raleigh.

Yeah, hecks. I feel like is this, was this your first, like crazy year? I feel like you have flown non-fucking stop the last like six months. Yeah. Well, I mean, I kind of, I flew a lot when I was doing vision. A lot, a lot. Yeah. But then when I stopped doing vision, I stopped.

But yeah, and it's like ever since like being creative director, yeah. I mean, because basically if Hex can't be there, I'm the person that is there. So like when Hex isn't at an event, I'm at the event. And then a lot of times, like, if it's a big event. event we both go and you know shit like that so yeah told me about the esports awards he's like yo you're going i was like i am not accepting anything yeah just know that yeah he's he told me he was like come on man redeem yourself i was like no man fucking no there's plenty of other people that can do the job yeah so if i i think if formal wins i'll accept it because matt's not going wait what's formal

we're gonna controller player of the year controller I mean dude we have so many there's no other controller player is there I mean I think renegades up there there's like there's a few people up there yeah but Semp I think Semb might be up there again

I don't know I hope so why is formal not forced to this shit that's true because he has to prepare for another tournament what tournament there's a tournament in December the optic invitational no

he's gonna fucking win that what else are we in we're opt again um so uh there's an episode of the process or maybe the process as a whole that's up for creative piece um there's or merchandise of the year we're up for merchandise of the year we're up for uh esports org of the year team summertime is up for creative team or content team of the year imagine y'all won dude it's it's us first O TK and a hundred thieves yeah but isn't O TK it canceled or some shit true so you might oh shit a hundred thieves we have to cancel them yeah how do we do I know some shit I just I I thought I first of all when I saw everyone else that was that was applied for her that was nominated for content team I was like what it's not a content team that's a fucking

ESports org. Like 100 Thieves? That's literally... Yeah, that is kind of fucked, isn't it? Like offline TV, I understand. OTCA, I understand. But like, I think we're up against, like, loud. Like, the...

All of Brazil. Oh, really? Yeah, like... And the ESPorts org. TSTV versus all of Brazil. It's... I was like, wait. So I was like, well, that should have been Optic.

Like, instead of us... Yeah. Like, Optic would have a chance. That's kind of weird. But whatever. I mean, we got nominated. It's like there's no. Yeah, what the fuck is that?

Because if it was actually, like, there would be like a fair chance if it was. Right. Hey, who knows? Appalachia State beat Michigan. We can do it. Who? College football. Some college shit.

I actually, I watched the Cowboys game last night, and for some reason I actually was pissed. Why? I don't know if I'm becoming a Dallas fan or it's because, like, I know Don't... Oh, they lost? Yeah, and I know Dalton Schultz. And it's like they were up 14 points in the fourth quarter. Of course...

Where the fuck were they playing? Cowboys versus... Packers. Yeah. Aaron Raj. And we're up 14 in the fourth quarter, and of course we just fucking fail and lose somehow. They did lose?

We lost in overtime. But it's just like... And I was like, genuinely upset. And I was like, am I a sports guy now? I kind of want to go to a... game your sports guy a cold fucking dallas cowboys game that'd be fun i actually want to go to one and i don't know if it's because maybe dalton sholts is on the team and like he supports us so it's like i kind of support

him i kind of want to get a jersey a shultz jersey a shultz jersey yeah we'll look to dallas game with a shultz jersey i might become a fucking a football guy at this point just force myself into it It's fun, man It's fun Apparently Who is like crushing it this year Oh the Eagles are crushing at this year Really?

Yeah that's why Aren't they fucking That's why Seth's so fucking happy I think they're undefeated Or last I checked They were undefeated I don't know But he was at the offseason

I'm just watching Watching the game on his phone When you say at the off season Or the off season event Okay Yeah the event Yeah how was that I wanted to ask you about this

What does it take? I forget, I think I even said this last week, but like what the fuck does it take to run a tournament? Because this is almost, you've been doing like online stuff and like online tournaments and blah, blah, blah. But what was it like to put together your own little MLG? I think it probably took years off of my life. Like no joke.

Do you think you were in a position of like a Sundance or Adam Apicella of like what it takes for them? Or was it even harder because you, yours was like smaller, but it's like you kind of had to do it all yourself. Yeah, it was definitely, I mean, there was so much pressure on myself and Corey, Corey Dunn. I mean, it wouldn't have happened without him. But like, in order to get, like, you have this, you have this massive,

this crazy idea. And I pitched this, I pitched the idea to our sales team like right after the Optic Major. this one and um i was like you know i have this idea i want to i you know i usually wait till two months before the off season the call of duty off season to like to start getting like funding and stuff in order to throw online tournaments i was like this year i'd like to throw something with like fan like with like spectator passes and i'd want to keep it like retro theme because like it's always a throwback so i was like what's better than i pitched uh you know a blackups two invitational a Halo 3

invitational and an open tournament for Super Smash Bros. Melee. I was like because melee is on the GameCube. The other two were on the Xbox 360. They all came out early 2000s with the exception of Blackups 2 but I was like I think that would be perfect.

And then from that moment on it's like stress. And that's like eight months, seven months before it happens. Yeah, you, because I remember you asking about the like yo would you want to play in a halo three like throwback invitational i was like i don't know maybe it's like oh well and you were trying to figure it out

with everyone else yeah but it was like i don't know how many people would it like flew out here so you were trying to get people i guess that live in texas but it was like right around worlds yeah you just can't just wasn't because it was orlando i remember you asked me like two three months just ahead of that yeah like trying to get it together because we we needed the funding for it because Pringles came through love me so Pringles by the way Pringles came through for blockups two and they they apparently they look at it again I'm listening Mr. P was there he loved the the blackups two event or they they all love the blackups two event and then Jack Links you know Jacklings wanted to I think they

actually came to they that was already set in stone when you tweet to do a Jack Link's black or a melee tournament so it all kind of worked together that way when you tweet out a saw you just or we can get back to the offseason tournament but like when you tweet out would any companies be interested in like sponsoring this i think it was like a that was for something with the frank or something yeah i'll do trying to do something like do companies actually like yeah really like dm you or something yeah some well some like small or small usually when i if i'm desperate enough to tweet it out usually i'm just looking for like small like i'm looking for like 1500 bucks or like $3,000 to like throw something like a show match or something.

Yeah. But like in order to do something like this, like we got to pitch everything. Yeah. Like we're going because because also we wanted to find, find companies that like fit the theme. So like we were going to Dunker Rouge and Capri's on and, you know, like different like things that you would drink as a kid or like things that would happen as a kid. But like Pringles works. So smart. Pringle works perfectly because like.

who doesn't eat Pringles and play video games. So that just worked perfectly. Yeah. And then, but in order to throw it, I mean. I mean, besides getting, having to contact all these players, figure out their. Travel. Yeah, travel. And, yeah.

Yeah. To figure out travel, hotel, who's going to be teaming. And then to get the, the talent there as well, pay the talent. the casters and then get their travel and their hotel as well I mean that's that that shit racks up

like Ledwig his team threw an invitational the next weekend like the very next weekend of the off season and he he went on I mean he's very open and shit and he said that his his smash tournament lost

because a sponsor pulled out but he kept the tournament going lost him $150,000. Damn. $150,000. Yeah. And so I was so...

So he did the same thing of like invited like the best. Yeah. Paid for their travel. So we invited eight players. He invited 32. Damn. Yeah. And we and none of our sponsors pulled out.

So we we weren't profitable either. We we went negative like not that much. Enough where enough where it was like it was a really good first tournament. And now people. people can kind of understand what the off season will be or you know it's it's a retro gaming maybe some more money next time right so next time people and next time maybe spectators will be like oh shit like that was a lot of fun last year now i'll go and they'll buy you know passes and yeah it was a really good first event i think everyone had a lot of fun but just because there's an event doesn't

mean you're going to get paid a lot of money like you didn't walk away with a fat check no i walked away with a lot of years off my life. Yeah. But I had, I'll do it. This is interesting, and this is why I want to talk about it because like no one,

I mean, I don't know fucking Sundance or Adam or any of these event runners have like actually sat down and like talked about how this shit even happens. So it's like, it's even interesting for me to hear. Yeah.

Like even the, so you have the players. How long in advance did you have to talk to the venue? Well, luckily, very luckily and this is where we have a little bit of an advantage is we own

esports or esports stadium yeah, Eastport Stadium Arlington so we don't I don't know I don't know that Optic owns it? Yeah and I don't know what part of the venue

fee or whatnot like I'm sure it's just waived for especially for a charity tournament for optic events but like if somebody else booked it then there's a you know but that doesn't mean But we also still have to pay for production.

We have to pay for, you know, concessions and security and parking. And, you know, a lot of the staff that is there, like, that's all paid work. So that's all money that goes in. Then on top of it, I mean, I think, I don't know. We might have to cut some of this. I don't know. But I think it ends up the offseason, which is a small tournament in comparison to a lot of, like, like a thing about packs or dream hack and how big these these things are like the off season

cost like 200k or something like that to run which is insane that's fucking crazy that's even like i'm talking like totally i mean it's like you're kind of running yeah a 200,000 dollar event so i mean but it makes it a lot easier to do it for charity because like sponsors will be way more inclined be like oh it's a charity thing like yeah let's do it and then like you know it it also is it's it's a way less you know on the players like they have a fun time competing but also in the back of their minds they know it's a charity tournament like that's why sets up there playing and watching crimsix isn't fucking but none of them are going none of them are sandbagging yeah they're going i'm saying crimsics ain't there to for charity yeah exactly he's not there for charity he doesn't care how

much money we raise at the end of the night. But, but regardless, you know, as far as like, as far as like, it does lighten the mood of everything. Yeah. So I can't imagine what Sundance, I'm, I bet you Sundance, Adam, Chris Puckett, like, I bet you they have had some like hard weekends. Yeah. Because like at a charity, it's or a charity event, it's not like, oh, if something bad happens or some kind of mess up, it's like, oh, it's a charity event. Like, we're just here to have a good time. Right. That's pretty much the goal is like everyone have a good time some nostalgia happening Yeah donations talking to chat

Just having a good time but yeah I can't imagine if something like you're investing so much money into like I say MLG or something and like something fucks up It's like dude I can't even imagine like remember remember those MLGs we go to and there would be bomb threats and now So now Friday a whole day is gone the whole day because of a bomb threat so you're out of the venue for four hours five hours so that so a whole day of competition is gone now you got to fit an entire weekend of competition into two days and deal with the bomb threat like like you have to up security you have to contact the local police department and you have to say hey if there's a bomb threat just no somebody's just mess like all of that is like that has to be so hard like i can't imagine what like they've had to deal with especially

in like serious tournaments but yeah I hope I mean the off season was a lot of fun the blackups two thing went went very smoothly I learned a lot so I'm hoping that we

you know we can do it again next year it's in a lot of our sponsor decks for next year from our sales team so you know I'm at the plan right now is to have this a yearly thing and then hopefully next year I can't include Halo because I'd love to I'd love to bring back

Like what we did for Cod, what we brought back like old rosters or old players and retired players. Like I'd love to do that for Halo. I'd love to have Tugur and Strongside and Walsh up there and like... Or get the U and Clutch or something. Yeah, like, imagine Roy came back, played with lunch. Like that, I mean, shit like that would be so much fun. Because you know they would talk shit and... Yeah.

They'll have a lot of fun doing it. It'd be super fun. Yeah, I wanted to talk about this. I didn't know how to fucking segue into it. but figured it out. What about all the equipment? So there's the staff inviting all the players, the venue, and then what about, I know you were searching on Craigslist or something,

or you tweet it out if someone has the old TVs around Texas. What about, what about like everything? What about like all the, actually, who takes, did you have to hire a team to take care of all the audio shit? all the audio like the streaming all the so that's all mixers and

so Corey so Corey was like dude we'll never do a classic one again because he has to which we are going to what do you mean a classic like a retro game

like because it's all on Xbox 360s and he was and people were like why don't you just use Xbox ones and me being a fucking stubborn ass was like but I want it to be yeah that kind of like ruined

I right I want it to be on the original console like yeah that's the whole that's kind of the whole point and so in order to run it on Xbox 360 you have to have the right Xboxes the Xbox 360s with the HTML in the back instead of like because some of them when 360s came out there was only component cables so like you have to have the right Xboxes and then you have to have the right

mix and he made his and he I made his life hell hell but I think we both learned I think I mean I learned a lot I'm sure he already knew it but he he knows what we have to do going forward like instead of instead of like you know three months of prep like we have to have like six months of prep we have to get everything but there's a there's a there's a the

smash side of the bracket or the open bracket for melee there's a there's an organization or a company called attorney locator and they run a bunch of they run a bunch of smash tournaments in the Dallas scene and so they ran the whole bracket so they

had the connects to a There's just some guy that collects CRT TVs and so there's a whole U-Haul that came down and we on or they unloaded all of the all the CRT TV so you didn't have to go and get some fucking no no no there's there's there's guy that's how there was a guy there's an old TV guy you just said there's an old TV guy and apparently he he rents them out for like you know five bucks a day. That's how that's how like smash tournaments like run is like there's guys that collect CRT TV. And then they would be so fun. They also, Ternie Locator, the guy who owns the tourney locator, runs a retro gaming shop. And so he has a lot of Xbox 360s. So they provided the Xbox 360s. What about the monitors? The monitors, I'm not sure where the monitor.

I think ESA had the monitors. And then I had to go because we ran a tournament on 360 before like three years ago. and it was impossible to find 360 controllers, especially scuff controllers, because scuff completely stopped making them. Like, stop making them to the point where they sent us, they put together like Frankenstein controllers.

Like, they just threw parts together and sent us everything they had left, and that was four years ago. So I was like, I got to find a way for them to be able to play Xbox 360 with their real controllers. So then I had to find these little adapter

are called like a XB you know they're called Brooke they're Brooks gaming a wingman XBs so they could play on their newer yeah so you plug a wingman it's basically like it looks like a cronis but without laggy

the hacks no it only has like one millisecond delay like one like which is crazy and it's made for fighting games but you literally just plug it in and then you can plug your PS4 controller in and it works so that's how we got around that

I mean, everything was just like a, like a process. But, and then, you know, and then the sales team coming up with the silent auctions, which was like the biggest, that was like the biggest way. What's that? Silent auction. Yeah, it was like the biggest way we raised money. So like we had a bunch of, um, we had a, we had a bunch of, uh, like scuff controllers that were signed by different people.

And we had, um, I had, I had a, I had a, a couple people that made like custom game cube controllers or a couple, or a custom. Game Boy Color and those sold for like 800 to ended up getting sold for like 800 and 900 bucks All of that money. Yeah, that's what you were doing On the fucking desk.

Exactly, yeah. All of that money went to charity. So like, I don't know, there's just It was definitely an all hands-on-deck thing And Atlas, my community manager, he put in, I mean, he put in fucking, the amount of like volunteer work is like because Atlas worked like, I think, 80 hours a week

on all the graphics. Some people just love this shit. On all the graphics and all the banners and everything that was in the venue that made it look like it was. I don't know. And the smash scene, it was the first time I'd ever done anything outside of FPS

because I've thrown four-night tournaments and Apex tournaments and Cod tournaments and I think a Halo tournament. but like I've never never done anything in melee melee is like my favorite game ever

so that was a lot of fun but yeah it was fun did you go? No oh you didn't I didn't know if you because a couple people went down day one I couldn't remember you know I kind of wanted to go I like kind of had plans and I was kind of thinking like let's just go there

but I didn't end up going I should have went because that was yeah no I definitely should have went That was like your, that's your first real life tournament that you kind of threw, right? It is. Would you rather do that again or on like keep doing online stuff? Are you going to kind of like keep going to be yearly? I would love, I would love for it to be an annual thing.

Like multiple a year or like once? Just once a year. Okay. I would love for it to be one time of year. But we'll see what the, you know, we'll see what the, a lot of that has to do with ticket sales and stuff. because you know a lot i think a lot of people just didn't understand what the fuck was what was the off season so like a lot of people came through or a decent amount of it was more so an event where and i also think if it's more so an event where like now people know what it is and now people

understand how like like just random people from optics showing up yeah the the the you the big timers scumps showing up and like sort of everyone's there like now it might be more so an event where people see it and they're like oh that actually might be worth like flying to or like planning out like i'm sure this time it was probably more local yeah just like oh this is we can drive there yeah but yeah it'd be next time it'd definitely be more i guess is this like uh like an investment so where like you threw this together knowing it's not like you're gonna like walk away profiting or whatever but is it like a next year can be like really big eventually this could be like big as fuck.

Like are you looking at it like that? Are you just like this is a fun? I'm not looking at it as like I'm looking at it. I, I, I pretty much focus completely on the charity. I mean, I'd love for it, the event to be profitable for the, for the company. I would love that because then they would be more willing to do it every year. But I focus pretty much solely on the charity and the fun aspect.

Like the cod, the cod community, besides like the hardcore, Call the Duty fans like they don't really like throwbacks for some fucking reason but you know the core of the Colla Duty community like they love they love like the casual throwbacks because some people can pop off and like display their skill

and it's cool to see Killup there as cool to see I was gonna say is it true did Killip pop off yeah Killa was how man I don't fucking get it so was Big Timer was frying Really? Yeah big timer or I think didn't Big Timer shit on JCap or something yeah he got an ace in like 10

seconds um it was insane i don't get how man like i don't get how people can not touch a controller forever yeah like i know i know big time right been grinding no and i'm sure i think kill even said he hasn't touched the controller in like forever yeah but it's like just for them to come come back and they're competing against like people that have been grinding yeah or at least like their lifestyle sort of still revolves around gaming and they're so big enough the controller that's the saying that like Will hasn't played PC Cod. He hasn't played since since like 60 FPS.

He was saying he has an advantage still because he's not used to fucking. He's not used to stuck in 2013. He's not used to dynamic aim assist in fucking 144 frames. He's used to 60 FPS on an Xbox 360. Yeah. So when he sits down he's like not even like complaining or like damn. Everybody else

is complaining and he's just like this feels like. This looks and feels like shit. He's like what you mean? This is this is God. used to me. Damn, that's crazy. They show up, they're shitting. I heard Killa was doing well. And for some reason, I mean,

not really for some reason, but for some reason, everyone loves Killa, and I've always loved Killa. So I was watching a little bit. I saw him doing pretty well. I forget who was saying that Killa was shitting.

Big time we're doing this thing. It was fun to see, man. Especially Black Ops. I feel like if it was, like, is there Black Ops 2 on PC that you can play something? Yeah. Because I feel like that what, it's not the same.

No, it's not the same. Like it's even playing, playing Halo 3 on MCC, it's like the updated PC, high-deaf, smooth version. It's just not. Sniping's too easy. See, that's what, Biar is too easy. When we were going to do. So it's like even if people are hitting back in, back in 2008, if people hit, if Snipe down hits a Snipe, it's just, oh. And that is a double kill snip.

Oh. Trowah. But like nowadays it's like people It doesn't look as good And people like kind of understand It's not even fucking hard to deal Yeah So it's just like

And I imagine Black Ops 2 is sort of the same Like snapping Snapping on someone on a 360 Or like shitting on someone on the 360 It's just like So much harder Or for some reason Or for actually it's just

It's possible to shit on someone Yeah Because it's like the aiming's harder And it was like same for Halo 3 to where it's like if people could get the first shot on you but if like your BR's on point and they just miss one bullet

like you can you can do that to like you can kind of shit on them and it's like a yeah I don't know it's just like a different feeling it's just not the same and I imagine that's what it's like for black ops too as well yeah that's why if we were going to do HALA 3 which I would love to do HALA 3 again or even HAL 2

it was going to be on Xbox 360 and people would probably see people's aim and be like ugh because I I even saw, I was watching some of the Black Ops 2 game play, and it's just not the same aiming. There's shaky, shaky shots. Yeah, shaky shots, for sure. And the same would happen for Halo 3,

because it's just totally different. Like, the snipes you actually hit would be, like, would actually be meaningful. So, yeah, if you're doing a throwback, I feel like it's got to be, if next year, if there's a Halo 3, it's got to be on the 360. Yeah, but what I was going to say is, like the melee community was super

I was very surprised because like I always throw... Was there a crowd for the melee? Yeah yeah they I mean because the melee is kind of kind of does things how Halo does where it's like a majority of the crowd that is there especially for finals were participants

in the tournament. So it's like you know for Halo they throw an open bracket everybody gets knocked out they all watch them someday. That's kind of how smash is and so for some of these like huge majors that have like not 900 entrance or a thousand entrance it's like that's a big crowd on sunday because they've all been knocked out and um that's kind of how melee does it so we i mean we had like we had like a hundred and i was going to say what was your bracket we're like 150 people which is like

that's i would still look at that 150 people in the bracket yeah see i would still look at that and be like damn i mean it's definitely it's i would be afraid like 16 24 people were showing up yeah it's a it's a success for like a first for my first or go at it. Especially in Smash isn't your, like, if it's an open call duty tournament, like you're expecting we're, we're an optic. Yeah. It's Optic, Texas. Right.

Cod kids are going to show up. But for Smash, it's like, I don't know how much of the smash community knows Hitch or it gets the fuck about optic. They were super accepting too. Like, it was, I was very, very shocked because I also did like a wacky thing where it's like a stage that they haven't played in forever got, was, was active. if we hit a certain milestone. Oh, really?

So, like, it's kind of like if I was like, you know, if we hit, if we hit 70,000, then grand finals map one will be snives only on sanctuary. Yeah. And it's like, for a lot of HALA people, they'd be like, well, I don't want to play snives only. But, like, so I was assuming that's how, like, that's how the melee community was going to be is like, man, I don't want to play Mute City.

But they actually, like, loved it. They, like, loved it. So, I don't know. I was, I'm glad because I always do wacky shit for the tournament. So I'm glad they didn't hate it. me but yeah shit that's fucking yeah that's insane and that's crazy to see you doing that now thanks man yeah good shit man you want to get my uh yeah let's let's hear this album this is pouring rain album of the week my album the album my album my album my album of this week's gonna start

a revolution let's hear it but there's also i would say 95% of the people who even give this a chance they're going to listen to it and be like Like, they're going to be like, what the fuck is this? Like, Maniac, like, I can't listen to this shit. All right. So my album of this week, I kind of forget the name of it. It's, um, because I haven't listened to it since, like, 2000, fucking seven. Okay.

Um, my shit's not loading. So I'm going to talk more about how back in 2007, I used to listen to it. And it's still not loading, but it's a, it's like a revolutionary. all right it loaded oh it's called revolutionary volume one by immortal technique oh i should have known see this is see if you don't know about immortal technique you're you got to get to know about a mortal technique this is when i listened to this little i guess sort of backstory when i listened to this this was like at the time in my life i was probably like 17 and i was getting into like 9-11 conspiracies and all this fucking weird shit that like a mortal

technique sort of talks about. This album came out in 2005. I don't even know if he speaks on, like, September 11th or anything like that. But that's sort of what this dude's... Once you listen to the lyrics that this guy says, it's like, you're going to realize he's sort of like... He wants a fucking revolution. He doesn't trust the government.

Yeah. It's, like, all about that. And so give this album a chance. It's called Revolutionary, Volume 1 by Immortal Technique. If you don't know, now you know. there's a song on here 17 songs there's a song on here called Dance with the Devil and it's a

fucking insane story but listen to that this guy's very the word I'm looking for introspective he's something you just got to listen to it Revolutionary Volume 1 by Mortal Technique this has been the

fly cast thank you all for watching episode 1,972 in the can Matt played that bangor I made back in the day.