The Glenn Beck Program - Best of The Program | 7/7/21

Episode Date: July 7, 2021

Jeffy joins to discuss the Biden administration's intention to go door-to-door to convince people to get vaccinated, and Andrew Cuomo’s daughter coming out as a "demisexual." Defense company Raytheon is more focused on woke staff training than the country's defense. Stu and Pat talk about how soldiers in Afghanistan are leaving in the middle of the night.  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Andrew Cuomo's daughter has come out as demisexual. And if you don't know what that means, you're a hate monger. We hate you. Everyone hates you, but you're the hate monger somehow. I can't remember. I don't know exactly how that works. But we will tell you what a demisexual is if you don't happen to know. And we look at the war in Afghanistan.

What's the right way to think about it? And did we do the right thing sort of just in the cover of night, leaving and leaving a giant airbase empty? questionable pat what'd you say questionable we did say good luck to him on the way out though good luck they didn't hear us because they were nowhere in the area

because we didn't tell them where we were leaving but that's probably okay that's fine maybe we left a note like a sticky note maybe hey good luck guys even though the Taliban that has already a third of the country what could possibly go wrong here's the buck

the vaccines and the fact that the media obviously doesn't care about getting people vaccinated. They keep saying it. The door-to-door thing is ridiculous. It's ridiculous. That's going to push people from away from the vaccine. You show up at the door with a needle.

I'm sorry. I don't know where that's been. I don't want anything to do with it. See you later. Yeah. Bye-bye. No. One thing you could do is I think, and they're not doing this so far,

but like you could just get the vaccines to people's doctors, right? One of the issues, like I had a friend who was thinking about getting the vaccine. and they hadn't gotten it yet. And they went to a doctor's appointment. And the doctor was like, look, you should get it. Like, get the vaccine. Get it done. I know it's annoying.

Just get it done. And they were like, all right, what do I need to do? And what they needed to do was leave the doctor's office and go on their phone and set up an appointment for four days later. And then drive over there. Right. Like just get it in the hands of the freaking doctors who people trust, right? Right.

You know, their local doctor who's giving them the information. That's one thing. Another thing you could do. And this is more applicable. to what we're talking about here. Which is, if you actually care, let's just say, let's just come up with a mythical world where the priorities of the media and the government

was to say, we want this pandemic to be over and we want people to be vaccinated. And the vaccines are great. And we think this is the best thing that we can do. Yeah. We're going to put that above everything. We're not going to, obviously,

it's bigger than politics, right? What you could do is have a, a concentrated effort to put a guy named Donald Trump on television and all over the media to talk about how much the vaccines are a success story. Can you imagine what that would do? Yes. It probably would make a big difference.

It would influence millions of people who are supporters of his and remind them that hey, he's the one that got this going. Right. It's going through his administration. It's his accomplishment. Yes. By the way. It's not Biden's.

Donald Trump got the vaccine. Yep. I listened to Donald Trump on the Clay Travis and Buck Sexton show. They're in the Rush Limbaugh time slot. And they had the president of the United States on the air. Former. Former. You're right.

Former president of the United States. And Jeffrey, by the way, from Jeff Chewing the Fat podcast joins us here. Just a believer. I mean, Joe Biden got more votes than anyone, my friend. He's the president of the United States of America. But like, you take the former president. And I was listening to him talk about. the vaccines. He sounds exactly

the same way he did during the campaign. A huge part of his re-election campaign was, hey, we're getting these vaccines done. And a huge part of his legacy is having gotten the vaccine done. Yeah. In the time frame he said it would get done. Which is incredible.

And as he pointed out again, the entire media said it was impossible and he was lying about it. Right. Okay. So let's just say, like, I know you have this ban on the president. I know you can't bring him on when asking about denouncing white supremacy or whatever weird thing you feel like you have to do

every time he comes on. How about don't do any of that? How about have a nice softball interview where you say to Donald Trump, hey, guess what, Don? It would work. Yes, it would. Mr. President, you came up,

you were able to shepherd these. Think about this approach. If CNN was on the air, if all the news networks and the president of the United States went and said, you know what, Mr. President, we have a lot of disagreements. But look, you did an incredible thing here.

where you pushed these things through, you were able to create an environment where things occurred that have never occurred in human history. You have wiped out with these vaccines. We could wipe this pandemic off the planet and you're the guy who shepherded that process through.

Instead, what they've done is say, there was no plan. There was no plan at all. We had no idea. We came in here. There's boxes of vaccines. They were even going to be mailed. They just completely.

lied because they wanted to win politics more than they cared about whether people lived or died. And they could. That is the truth. Ignore everything going to happen before and just say, here's Donald Trump. Donald Trump helped get this thing done. And Donald Trump, what do you think about the vaccines? And he could just do it. And they don't have to say anything about it.

They don't have to go backwards in time. They don't have to talk about January 6th. Go forward. They don't have to talk about the election. That would never happen. Biden could never say that. Not in a million years. It would not happen.

Neither could one single soul on. CNN. They couldn't even bring themselves. Like, let Donald Trump come in there and say, you know what? You guys lied about me the entire time and these vaccines were a success and you guys were wrong. And let him say every terrible thing because obviously you care about people getting the vaccine. Yeah. You care about the vaccine.

So you know they don't. You're going to put the pandemic above your personal pride, right guys? Except no, they're not. Not a chance. Not a chance. Not a chance. And you played his, you know, we continue to play clips of. Joseph Robinette Biden struggling to say anything.

And I see where there's a new study done a new survey of a thousand likely voters from the Convention of States and the Chafogo Group. 56.5% of American voters do not believe that President Biden is fully executing his duties in office. Wow. That's amazing. Okay. 56 and a half percent of American voters.

You can't get to 56 and a half with just Democrats. No, you can't. You can't do that. No, you cannot. It's just amazing. Or just Republicans. So that's not just Republicans saying, yeah, he's not fully executing. That's Democrats, Republicans, independents.

I'd like to know, because I'll bet, you know, there's a huge portion of, I don't know. You know, there's a lot of Jeffey's out there who, I don't know. I don't know. So what is it, like 56.5 to 20 to 19 who think he's fully executing his job? responsibility does it say 36.4% believe he is directing all policy of agenda that's higher than I would have guessed 31.7% Democrat voters do not believe that's incredible I know wow I know that's incredible you know 8 you got 83.6% of Republican voters that don't believe he's doing it I would say that's a little low yeah that seems a little low and 58 a little over 58%

of independent voters do not believe he's fully executing that's remarkable I mean and I don't see how you come to another conclusion other than you just you know you you're hoping you're a democrat you voted for him you're hoping right like or you just watch CNN which doesn't cover any of it you know you that's true in your little sphere all you see is what reinforces your point of view and if that's what you do then you don't understand that the guy is in serious cognitive decline yeah I mean no question I mean, he does not wearing his pants backwards like the previous president, Donald Trump. He could barely be disproven, by the way. I mean, he just struggles every day.

And I would say that, you know, you talked about the notes in his jacket pocket being the same. I don't know, doesn't he carry the names of all the, you know, the names of dead soldiers and the deaths. The deaths of the coronavirus in the one pocket. He didn't seem to have that in either pocket, though. I don't know. It seemed like the other note. He didn't mention. He didn't pull the first one out and go, oh, these are the numbers that I carry with me every day.

No, he did not mention that. So it's probably the exact same note. I'm sure it is. Sad. Also, dreams do come true. Here, as long as we're doing a little chewing the fat segment, I want you to know, dreams do come true. Michaela Kennedy Cuomo, 23, came out on.

Instagram and you know the daughter of your man you know him you love him Andrew Cuomo Andrew Cuomo is awful dot com yes uh she is last name dot com I think it is it must be every time I hear Andrew Cuomo is his middle name and then dot com. Andrew Cuomo is awful dot com is the way it works sorry she she came out last month as queer but now really yeah now has declared herself a demisexual wait hold on because I I thought also she had come out previously. Do you have the whole transition here? I do.

Okay. Walk us through this because this is pretty interesting. Okay. So in elementary school, she feared that she was lesbian. And that's the way she phrased it. Wait, she feared. I don't know why she feared it. What kind of hate monger is this person?

Yeah. That is the way she phrased it. She feared. So you have to assume that I guess before that she was either straight or nothing, right? She's a little kid, elementary school. So she hits elementary school and she's like, oh my gosh, I'm terrified. I might be lesbian. Be a lesbian.

Okay. Right. Wow. And a lot of kids in elementary school think in those terms. A lot of kids are like, I think I might be a lesbian. Happens all the time, very common. Then in middle school, she came out to family and close friends as bisexual. Okay.

So there's the third thing that she is. She's bisexual in elementary school. Then when she was in high school, she discovered pansexuality. Okay, pansexual. And she has sex with everything. That's the flag for me. No, I think pansexual, if I understand it, correctly.

And Jeffrey, I know you'd probably be the expert on this, but let me attempt it. Pansexual means that basically you don't care about whether it's a guy or a girl. Like you're just going to, like whatever, whatever. If you meet someone, you like them, you go for it. You don't think about it. You're not attracted to either one. But that's almost anything, right? And now she recently learned.

It's not limited to just men or women, I think. Right. Right. But we're bisexuals, you're, you are attracted to both. Yes. Pansxuals, you're not necessarily attracted to either. It's just, you're just, you're just. attracted to the individual.

And you're not necessarily not attracted to everything either. Right. So you might be attracted to absolutely everything. Or nothing. Or nothing. Or nothing. You can't be pinned. We should point out that a lot of... Yeah, queer. Okay. Now, what is... And now, Jeffey... She's demisexual. Demi-sexual.

Which is... D-E-M-I-Sexual. What is demisexual? That is people only feel sexually attracted to someone when they have an emotional bond. I think this is interesting. I think I'm demisexual, too. I think I'm demisexual is the way we're supposed to be. Right?

Yes. Now, I think like, when you talk about sexual attraction, I can look at, you know, some movie star and say, wow, she's hot, right, without having an emotional bond with her. Yes. Right. Or he. I'm saying in my particular case, okay. I might say, but like I, so you, she's saying you can't be attracted visually. you can only be attracted via emotional bond.

Right. So it's not exactly the way that I think everybody is, but it's a good element of a relationship. I think this is where her dreams have actually come true because she said in this interview that she has always dreamed of a world in which nobody will have to come out. Me too. Oh my gosh.

I think the dream is. That's my aspiration. You've arrived. You've arrived. You don't have to worry about it anymore. She claims that nobody has to come out. because everybody's sexuality will be assumed fluid. That's a different formulation.

In the world that we live in now, it force feeds cisgender heterosexuality. Yes, I hate that. Coming out of the closet is a lifelong process of unpacking, internalized, social constructions, and stigmas. How many times have I said exactly the same thing? How many times? I can't come.

If I've said it once. You said, well, that's the time you said it. But I haven't. But if I had said it once This is why I keep hearing this Mainly from the Is that her? The very warm

Videos produced by giant corporations Like Procter and Gamble Who say like Love is love. Let us give you a two minute pride video About that. And at the end of one of these I watched Last week, it said like

We just want to get to this point Or we don't need to talk about this anymore. We're just, you know, it's that You've arrived. Congratulations. You know, because they say like Oh, well, we want to to come out and and then we realize people were going to be judging us.

And obviously that means evil conservatives like us, right? That would be judging us. Here's the thing. We're not judging you. We don't want to hear about it. We don't need to hear about it. You can do whatever you want to do on your own. I don't want to hear word one about it.

And you've arrived at this incredible world you desire, this oasis that you've been trying to get to this entire time where you just don't have to tell anybody about it. We don't have to hear about it. Yeah. Don't feel like you have to tell us. We don't need to know. I'm sorry. if we, if we conveyed to you that we wanted to hear about this stuff, that's our mistake.

Again, we don't. We don't. We never did. Dreams do come true. By the way, they do come true every day on chewing the fat with Jeffrey. Amen. You're listening to the best of the Glenn Beck program. Raytheon, another gigantic American corporation that is involved in critical race theory or CRT,

we call it for sure. And apparently they're taking their white employees to school. So that's great. That's great. You could tell that the left is not enjoying the way this is playing out because they're doing all the typical things that people on the left do in these situations, which is deny. It's not really what we mean.

You're using the term incorrectly. It's not really happening these things that you say are so bad. When their former position was these things are not bad. These are good. Yeah. Right. Now they're realizing the pushback, I think, from the American people. They've run up against that wall a little bit with this stuff.

And so they're saying things like, well, it's not really critical race theory. It's just intersectionality. They're very closely related, guys. As we all know, intersectionality essentially would be an element that is required to discuss critical race theory. Well, for instance, have you confronted your privilege yet? Have you confronted it? I have. You have?

Yep. Okay. Yeah. And confronting it. It ran the other way. It did. Yeah. Good. So you don't have your privilege anymore.

I've scared it away. You scared it away. Yep. That's how you do it. When you confront it, you just got to confront it, come out from behind a door or something when it's walking. It's like maybe it's on its phone. Yeah. And then you jump out and you make a really loud noise and it runs away.

Oh, okay. And then you don't have any more privilege. All right. It's the way. It works. Okay. So you identified and scared away your privilege. Mm-hmm.

Have you stepped aside for minority voice? yet? You need to step aside. No. No, you haven't done that. I'm not going to step aside really for anybody. I'm going to... Well, these minority voices, though, Stu, are more important than your own.

So... So... You kind of need to step aside for them. Understanding what we're doing is encouraging people to listen to others based on their skin color. Yes. Now, has there ever been an example of this? this being utilized and turned out poorly.

Has there ever... Yes. There's many examples of that, but we're ignoring those now? Oh, we're going to ignore them. Yeah, we're ignoring them. Okay, good. Yeah. Because I have this idea, and it's been sort of foundational to me for quite a long time,

which is never, ever in your entire life, make any decision based on skin color. Really? Never, not once, not even one time in your life. Should you make any decision? based on skin color. Old think is what that is. That's old think. Yeah.

Not the appropriate way to go about it. Not appropriate anymore. Got it. No. And by the way, we should point out, Raytheon is our second largest defense contractor. Yes. They should be thinking about building giant missiles.

Yes. And planes. Things that blow other things up. Focus on that. That's really important. The intersectionality should not be the focus of Raytheon. And why? Is it?

It's just so bizarre. And we're supposed to reject, according to Raytheon in their program, they're telling employees to reject the notion of equality and instead strive for equity. Yeah. Can you walk us through the difference between equality and equity, too? Sure. Again, as Chris Rufo, who was initially reported this, as he seems to be doing all the time, uh, Raytheon explicitly instructs employees to oppose equality.

defined as, quote, quote, treating each person the same regardless of their differences. Right. Reject that. Yeah, that's old. Again, old think.

Instead, strive for equity, which, quote, focuses on the equality of the outcome. End quote. Love that. Do you remember when, like, the conservative attack against the left wing philosophy

was to say, hey, they, they're, we all want equality. We just want equality. of opportunity, they want a quality of outcome. And the left would be like, what? How dare you say that?

That's not true. That's not what we want. Now they admit it. Now they admit it. It's exactly what they want. Of course, it's what they want. And that's what equity is. This word, which sounds like the other word, but is not the other word. Equality and equity are different things.

Big time. And so this is essentially Marxism they're talking about because they want to guarantee the outcome. Or at least theoretically. medical Marxism. Of course, Marxism in reality has no such thing as equality of outcome. But except that everybody

comes out poorly. Everyone comes out poorly except for the ruling class, which has a pretty sweet life. Certainly different groups. Ask the Uyghurs if communism provides equality of outcome. Well, you can't because they're in concentration camps. Oh yeah, it's difficult to get

to them at this point. They're in thousands of concentration camps spread throughout the country. But Yeah, it does not actually provide such things, but it is theoretically providing those things. Chris Rufo writes, finally, in a collection of recommended resources, the company encourages white employees to,

quote, defund the police, and quote, quote, this is a defense contractor. We should defund the police. I love this. Also, quote, participate in reparations. Huh. Decolonize your bookshelf. And something that I will personally guarantee

that I will not. ever, ever in my life ever do, quote, join a local white space. Now, what is a white space? Yeah. It seems to be a collection of white people who talk about their whiteness. That, their whites, like, for example, let me just give you a theoretically real world. And you all talk about how bad you are as white people. Well, talk about your whiteness and understand and think about your race all the time.

Something like, they used to have these groups. People wore hoods to the meetings. and they were great, I'm sure. Robert Byrd was a big member, big proponent of local white spaces. Yeah, that was something that used to happen among Democrats all the time, and now they want to bring it back. Isn't that wonderful?

You know, the Democrats brought us the KKK, and now we have local white spaces, which are totally different than the KKK, in that they're also white people getting together to talk about the race all the time. I guess the fact that they're saying they're, there the bad race instead of another race being bad is some sort of improvement, but I would say not a concept worth revisiting. Not a fixable one, you know, Pat, sometimes you get to the point where you're just like, you know what, let's not try to, let's say fascism. Let's not remix it

and see what we can come up with and try it again. Let's just skip it. Let's just rule it out. Okay, KKK, let's just rule it out. Let's just take it out. Let's not try to fix it. Let's not try to come up with a different way of doing a local white space. Let's get rid of them entirely. Sounds like the right approach to me. Yeah, it does. Unbelievable. And this is so constant right now.

Raytheon, again, this is not, I don't know, to use some example, like Starbucks. Right, like some left wing organization, some left wing company. I don't know. Some like organic, you know, buy local hemp salesmen. you know, coming up with a seminar like this. This is a freaking defense contractor. Yeah.

Second largest in the country after Lockheed Martin. It's pretty amazing. Now, one thing you should stay away from. First of all, one thing you need to do, Pat. I want to make sure we understand what you need to do,

what you need to stay away from. You need to, according to the Raytheon internal documents, you need to think about telling your, think about telling your employees to do this. You have to, quote, identify everyone's race. Now, your employees, if they spend a minute trying to identify every other employee's race,

what you should do with that employee is fire them immediately. Get them the hell out of your company. If you have employees that are taking time out of your workday to figure out and, like, what, document everyone's race? Pat, has there ever been a historical example where a group of people documenting others, race has turned out poorly, has that ever gone the wrong way? Like if you want to make a giant list of people and try to figure out like, I don't know, what percentage black they are, what percentage Jewish they are, but let's just say in a theoretical world, could that turn out

poorly? Oh, wow. In the last 15 minutes, I can't think of a, the, situation like that. If I was to go back maybe, I don't know, into the sort of early to mid last century, I could possibly think of a place or two where maybe that occurred. Okay, okay. So there is maybe one, but we shouldn't probably think about it and learn anything from it, right? No.

Okay. No. How about you must listen to the experience of marginalized identities and give those with such identities the floor on meetings or on. calls, even if it means silencing yourself. So let's say you have a really good idea for a missile. Okay. But, you know, a Mongolian person is in the room, a Mongolian American. And they say, you know what? I as a Mongolian American am oppressed, I believe the missile should be shot with slingshots. Let me have the floor for, let's say, an hour. Okay. What you should do is silence yourself

and your rocket propulsion technology and say, you know, we got to go slingshots. Because look, they are a marginalized group and that's your job. And that would be part of deconstructing my privilege, wouldn't it? It would be. And understanding how white male behavior is devastating to racial minorities. Right. And in that situation where you're, you know, you're suppressing your own idea for theirs, why you've done a good thing there. Yeah, there you go.

You've done a good thing. And I think we could look at this at three different levels here, Pat, right? the level of like higher education, university teaching, should critical race theory be discussed? Like I don't want my kid necessarily, I don't want to pay, send my kid to a place where they're going to learn about that. But you know what? Academic discussion, whatever. He can do whatever you want. Shouldn't be banned, certainly, though I wouldn't want to send my kid to a school that was doing it.

Secondarily, you have this level, right? Raytheon. Companies. What I want to work at a company? What do I want to invest in a company? Would I want to, if I was running a company, do this sort of. nonsense and teach critical race theory or something similar to it to my employees, I would say absolutely not.

Should it be banned? No. I mean, I think if Raytheon wants to freaking waste their people's time with this nonsense, I don't think you can ban it. You know, we live in a country where people should be able to do these things if they want to. However, horrible idea. The next level, though, is the one we're talking about more frequently, which is should

these be taught in public schools to K to 12, right? and that, should that be banned? Sure it should. Absolutely should not be taught to kids K to 12. And so the defense there from the left has been what this is what Vox's framing of it was last week. Many Republican lawmakers cite critical race theory as a reason to ban discussions about racism and schools. First of all, I've never heard that before. I've never heard a Republican say anything like that.

No one says that they don't want to discuss racism in schools. No one says they want to say, you know what? Let's present slavery positively. I've never, I went through the whole school system in public schools. Never did I hear word one that racism was good. Never did I hear word one that slavery was kind of a positive. Never taught. But they say the way they frame it is Republicans are trying to ban discussion of racism in schools,

which is not at all what's going on. And then they say, though there's little evidence that the framework of critical race theory is even being taught in K through 12 schools. So it's not a bad thing. but even if it were a bad thing, it's not actually being taught in K to 12 schools. Here are two stories from just the past week. The nation's largest teachers union has approved a plan to promote critical race theory in all 50 states and 14,000 local school districts. Does that sound like K-12 problem?

Yes. Ebram X. Kendi, the guy who wrote anti-racist, how to become an anti-racist and anti-racist. and anti-racist baby. He is scheduled to speak Wednesday at the American Federation of Teachers Teach Conference. This is absolutely a massive issue here. And it should be thought about and it should be out of our schools. You want to start your own private school where you teach kids a critical race theory and kids pay their own money to go to it and blah, blah, blah. That is allowed in the United States of America, even if we don't like it.

However, public schools absolutely not. And skates absolutely have the right to put standards on what is taught in the curriculum of their schools. Of course they do. Of course they do. The federal government doesn't have much of a role in it. But the state government does. And the local governments do even more. And the idea that this is just a non-issue because Democrats find it to be unpopular and they realize that they're on the wrong side of the polls on it does not mean it goes away.

Yeah, 61% of Americans don't want critical race theory taught in their schools. 61%. You're listening to the best of the Glenn Beck program. So it's finally happened the pullout of Afghanistan after a mere 20 years.

I mean, is it too soon? I don't think so. I don't think so either. I don't think so. Are we, and are we the last of the coalition to still be there? The British aren't there anymore, right? No, yeah, they're gone.

They've been gone for a while. So it's just us. It is just us. Well, it was just us. I mean, it's basically done now. Now it's the Afghans. Heard a report this morning. They're going to keep a few hundred troops in the country mainly to protect the embassy, which is sensible, right?

Like if you're going to have an embassy there in a country that's probably going to be. If you're not going to keep them there, then you move the embassy. You move the people out of the embassy. Yeah. You just abandon the country entirely. But if you're going to have an embassy there, you should have troops there to protect the people in it. So we left the other day. Our troops left Bagram Air Base basically in the middle of the night and didn't tell the

Afghans that we were leaving. So a group of people went in and looted the place before the Afghans got in there. Which is great. Now, this is a 14 square mile Air Force base. Yes. It's gigantic. Gigantic area. And, you know, so I guess what I guess what happened is.

was there were some rumors that we're going to be, I mean, we all, they presented this in the media. They're like, well ahead of schedule. Well, Trump had it scheduled for May. So July would not be ahead of schedule. Biden just said he just changed the schedule to September and then left in July after the initial scheduling. So like he, this is how the, how the left gets away with this crap with the media. I'll never, I'll never understand. But. I guess when you have someone who you're rooting for, it's a lot easier to justify such things. But basically,

there were the rumor that they were going to be leaving. They just turn the lights out. And everyone was like, wait, why did all the lights go off over there? We should just go over there and see what's going on. Realize nobody was there. And there's like photos of people like carrying off cases of like Red Bull full.

You know, like energy drinks and stuff. Right. Bizar. Bizarre circumstance. And it's hard to imagine that this turns out well. Yeah. The problem is the talent.

Taliban will probably now just retake Afghanistan, right? That's what I expect to happen, is that terrorists will just get back together and reclaim, reclaim the country. But what would you do? Stay there forever? What's the alternative? If you don't pull out and we don't ever come home and we leave troops there forever,

we probably could keep the Taliban. at bay, but when you leave, what can you do? There's all sorts of reporting where Afghan troops are handing over weapons to the Taliban. The Taliban now supposedly, but the best estimates are they control one third of the country already as we're leaving. I mean, we've basically just given up on this. And look, you can make the argument that our mission should have been more narrow and that mission was accomplished, right?

I mean, you know, Osama bin Laden is dead. Al-Qaeda is not really the force that it once was. But, you know, our mission was larger than that. We could have left in 2011. Yeah. Or, you know, I mean, Osama bin Laden specifically as an individual was 2011. But, I mean, there was massive damage to al-Qaeda generally well before that. Before that, yes.

I do hesitate at times with this idea that we should judge a war by how long, it goes on for. You know, like, first of all, this has not been a war in the way that we think of warfare for a long time. That's true. You mentioned earlier, Pat, late last hour, that 13 people per year die from getting hit by vending machines. That falling over. Yeah. Right.

Well, in 2020, 11 people died in Afghanistan. 11? 11 less than the amount of people who die from vending machines falling over them in the United States. Not to minimize, of course, the loss of our... Totally. I mean, like, but I mean, when you look at the deaths that occurred, several of them were motor vehicle accidents. Oh, wow. Right?

There were some that were attacks. Some of them were attacks by Afghan troops. Yeah, that's the toughest to take for me. That's the toughest to take for sure. I'm not saying any of these don't, aren't... But I mean like here we go, non-hostile vehicle accident, non-hostile vehicle accident, rollover, non-hostile, non-hostile, five. Yep.

There, here's a hostel. Hostile fire, small arms file, green on blue attack. So that was a by an Afghan, Afghan troop. Yeah. Same thing for the next one. Then a non-hostile aircraft crash. Six. Non-hostile aircraft crash.

crash and then hostile fire iED attack so when you'd think about the traditional warfare attack i'd say you would say one right i mean you wouldn't necessarily think off the top of your head of a green on blue type of attack right but you have to count all of these count obviously and you know if you have a kid over there who died in an aircraft crash you're not going to feel any better about it but that stuff happens in the united states yeah and we have aircraft crashes for military test pilots in the United States that happened. That's not to say that it's nothing. It's something, and look, we have to at some point,

even if it's just for spending, right, reasons. Like, you know, you can't just spend money maintaining another country forever. But like, to think of this as everyone's like, this is America's forever war. Can you look at a year like 2020 and say, okay, that's a war year? Remember, what's the alternative of war? What we used to do in war was, yes, the wars would end in three to five years because hundreds of thousands, if not millions of people were dead. Yeah.

You fought them full bore. Full on. It was just warfare all the time. It wasn't like, okay, we're going to take this country and we're going to maintain it. And then we're going to get attacked every once in a while. That's not what's, I mean, that's what's. been happening in Afghanistan. Yeah.

For what, 10 years at least? Maybe more than that? I mean, if you look at the fatalities, US fatalities in Afghanistan, really, you had a peak, the highest number was 2010 and 498.

Now again, 498 was 10 minutes of a battle of previous wars. As sad as all of this is and every loss of life is incredibly, I mean, you don't have to, I don't have to sell this audience

on the fact that we all care about our military members. But war has changed in a way that I think is positive, even though, you know, there's no longer necessarily these days where you walk away with the parades and everything else. I mean, 498 was the peak in 2010. Then it went to 415, 310, 128, and it's been under 100 since 2015, or 14. It was 55, 22, then 13, 15, 14, 24, 11. then that was 2020 was 11.

Now, again, I went through those 11. Only one of them is what you would think traditionally of a war death. A couple of others from allies that should have been helping us and turned on us. A couple of those. So it was three. And the rest were non-hostile events where, you know, car crashes, airplane crashes, things that were terrible, but also not what you would think of as a traditional war death. Did you happen to read the latest Malcolm Gladwell?

well book the bomber mafia by chance it's really good i mean it's really really well done it and i like malcolm stuff i mean it's always interesting to me but this is about basically the idea of early the early air force where they decided we they their vision of what war could become where they would drop guided bombs not just bombs that plastered an entire you know just denigrated an entire civilian population without thinking about it, their vision of trying to create the technology that would allow us to target the military installations we wanted to hit and not just carpet bomb societies. And one of the main proponents of this was in World War II and got to the point where he was leading the operations against Japan from the air. And eventually lost his gig

because the technology wasn't really ready. They didn't really have it ready. And they wound up changing to carpet bombing, basically. But you realize that, like, you know, when we think of Japan, obviously, in World War II, we think of the atomic bomb. So much was done with essentially napalm type devices, fire bombing these places, because the way their homes were built were very vulnerable to fire and they were very close to each other. And we were just, you know, dropping.

And there was a lot of that during Vietnam to clear away the vajuncle. Yeah, exactly. But they were doing it to clear away, you know. communities and cities. And I'm not questioning these tactics in that like this war needed to end. And I'm glad that we dropped the atomic. I'm not like anybody who thinks the opposite of that. But like that was the choice at the time.

It was like, do you essentially kill 100,000 people tonight in their homes? Essentially the equivalent of what we saw in Miami, right? Where the entire building just catches on fire or collapses and everyone in it dies. And do you do this over multiple schools? square miles every night for a year. That was warfare. Yeah. Look, Afghanistan is a different situation.

And to sit here and say like, you look at these years, years. Do you have the total from the whole war? It's something like four or five thousand, right? 2,450. Just up, 2000. That does not include this year, by the way. I have only up until 2020 here, but 2452. Now, I think the number you're thinking of is 3,596, which was total coalition deaths.

So that includes the UK and other 455 from the UK 689 total in all the other countries combined Iraq was 4,910 total coalition 4,586 US But again, even Iraq, you look at Iraq This is since 2012

2012 there was two deaths for the US 2004 I'm missing 2013 on my chart here But 2014, 4 then 8, 20, 22, 17, 12, 11 And again, you look at the the details to them and many of them are the same sad situations, vehicle accidents,

rollovers, non-hostile. There are some that are hostile. I mean, these are still dangerous areas for sure. But I think judging a war, what we should look at when we judge a war should be, of course, the outcome. Did we stop people attacking us if that's why we went to war, which in Afghanistan, I would argue that was the reason we went and we stopped that. And when we've...

That seemed to accomplish... interrupted a lot of it. And also, the main thing is how many, the most important thing to me is how many of our service people do we lose, not how long the war goes on. Look, it's uncomfortable to say, and this is true, that people who fought in, who went to Afghanistan after 9-11 have children who are now serving in Afghanistan or very recently. It's hard to think in those terms. But the fact, if we could return both of those people back here, that's much more important than the timeline. Oh yeah and we have changed warfare. I mean people are dying a lot less in wars and that is good It is it is much it's no longer the the the the the drain on human life that it once was at least not at the moment We can take a little solace out of that. I think