The Glenn Beck Program - Best of the Program | 9/22/25

Episode Date: September 22, 2025

Glenn and Stu discuss the powerful moment when Erika Kirk, Charlie's wife and new CEO of Turning Point USA, forgave her husband's alleged assassin live on stage in front of thousands. Glenn explores the distinction between justice and mercy and how the ideal response lies somewhere in between. Glenn further breaks down the difference between the Right and the Left and how each responds to atrocity. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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And thanks for standing with us. Now let's get to work. Listening to the best of the Glenn Beck program. I urge you to go back and watch it from the beginning. I urge you. If you have a young man or a young adult in your family, I urge you just to listen to, is it Dr. Ahern? How do you say his last name?

I think it's Ahern from Hillsdale College. It was one of the best speeches I have heard. for clarity for youth. It was absolutely perfect. I urge you to go, and you can find it at Blaze TV at YouTube. So go to YouTube.com slash Blaze TV, and you can watch the entire thing.

I urge you watch it start to finish. At least, you know, I think the political stuff is all really, really good. And, you know, as President Vance said, I have said, I have talked about Jesus Christ more in the last 10 days than I have in my entire political career. And so the messages were so spot on in many, many ways, but that's all going to be covered. What was said before the politicos got on is not necessarily going to be covered. And I think that was the heart of all of this. So go back and listen. And I want to just go through some things that Erica Kirk said.

I mean, I was flying yesterday and I thought, what are the odds that this amazing spiritual giant who had been prepared, I think, his whole life to do what he did, is smart enough to run a large operation, has the spirit with him, knows how to argue, knows how to do everything he does, marries a woman who is exactly like that. I mean, she said to me last week we had a conversation. She said, I think Charlie prepared me for this. And I didn't even know it. She said, he's got stacks of diaries.

He wrote a diary every day. And she said, I never read his diaries. I mean, that's not something you do. But after he died, I went in and I started going through his diaries. I were reading the last few pages and everything else. She said, I started reading him. She said, he left me the plans for 2028. He left me the budget.

for the future. She said he, he, he like left this for me. And she is a force to be reckoned with. I mean, TPSA is in really good hands, I think, with her. But here she is in one of the most Christ-like moments yesterday at the memorial service talking about the shooter of her husband. My husband, Charlie, he wanted to save young men. just like the one who took his life. That young man, on the cross, our Savior said, Father, forgive them, for they not know what they do. That man, give him.

I forgive him because it was what Christ did and is what Charlie would do. The answer to hate is not hate. The answer we know from the gospel, is love and always love. Love for our enemies and love for those who persecute us. Absolutely incredible.

Absolutely incredible. I don't know how she was able to do that. I mean, I guess I do know how, but it's an incredible thing to watch. And it seemed like it was so, I don't think I've ever seen a stadium like that, that quiet. I mean, it was 100,000 people in the stadium. She's whispering.

Pin drop. Pin drop. That's what it seemed like. And what a great moment. What a great moment. Now, I'm going to get later on in the program, I'm going to get into what does that mean to forgive? Does that mean forgive and move on, forgive and forget? What is our duty? Because that is the spiritual requirement for your first citizenship. Your first citizenship is the citizenship into the kingdom of God. that is a requirement to be able to hold that citizenship. Forgive those who hate you, persecute you, kill you, forgive them.

But there is a second citizenship that we hold. And as long as it does not, it can never battle the first citizenship. You cannot lose your first citizenship passport because you're doing something in the second citizenship, that you should not be doing. Okay. So are they diametrically opposed in this? Some might say yes, I don't think so, but I just want to talk to you about that here in just a minute.

Here she is yesterday. As I was driving up to the stadium and I was driving away from the stadium, the one thing that I thought was, there's not a single building on fire, not only in this city, but in the country. There was somebody this weekend that was arrested because they were a right wing,

or me sorry, a left wing nut job that tried to shoot up an ABC, tried to kill innocent people at an local ABC station. They had nothing to do with Jimmy Kimmel. Not nothing. Didn't matter. they just opened fire on an ABC television station. Okay.

Arrested. Also, somebody up, I think it was in New Hampshire, goes to a wedding, starts killing people at the wedding screaming free Palestine. There is evil. Evil. That's the only way to describe this. Irrational, evil. And the only way to fight that is by doing what she did

and doing what everybody so far has been doing with the Charlie Kirk thing, and that is, fall to your knees in prayer and follow the teachings of Christ. Here's what she said. Let's play cut two about riots. But most of all, God's mercy and God's love have been revealed to me these past 10 days. After Charlie's assassination, we didn't see violence. We didn't see rioting. We saw what my husband always prayed he would see in this. country. We saw revival. This past week we saw people open a Bible for the first time in a decade. We saw people pray for the first time since they were children. We saw people go to a church

service for the first time in their entire lives. Charlie liked to journal. And I say this because he did it to remember important moments in sayings that affected him. And one of the things he wrote in his journal was this. Every time you make a decision, it puts a mark on your soul. To those of you out there who just made that decision and took the first step toward a spiritual life, I say thank you and welcome. How many people around the world felt this? I mean, think of South Korea. there is a Charlie Kirk movement happening in South Korea. The Tommy Robinson stuff that's happening over in England,

three million people on the streets of London, holding signs about Charlie Kirk. How many of them watch, I mean, you're talking England, you're talking, you know, just across the water from Europe. Godless, absolutely godless. How many people are finding their faith, again. Now, the secret is going to be finding those preachers and those pastors that will deliver the message she just delivered, that it's not about violence. It's not about authoritarianism.

It's not about any of that stuff. It's about fixing you first. It's about thinking small. You want to fix the world, fix you first. If we can find those pastors, priests, and rabbis that are actually saying those things and tying it to, I mean, have you heard anybody talk about get married and have lots of children more than you have in the last 10 days? I mean, probably Elon Musk is the only one that I've heard, you know, really going up going, you got to have children, got to have children. And I'm doing my best. He's got like 400 of them. But you have to have children. And in the last week and especially last night, there were several speakers that were. like get married, have children. It gives your life meaning and it is true. It is absolutely true.

Have children more than you can afford. I really was very young and very selfish in my 20s. And, you know, I didn't grow up in a family. You know, my mom was an alcoholic that committed suicide. My dad was, you know, horribly, horribly abused as a child. And so kind of withdrew because he didn't want to be his father. And so I didn't really, I had just this bad kind of family. I mean, we all do. We all do. You know, families that just are not necessarily the best role models. God bless you if you had one. But most of us haven't. And, you know, I just didn't, I didn't know what family really meant until recently, until maybe the last 15 years. And the older I get, the more I understand it. Fame, fortune, success, vacations, whatever it is you're working for,

whatever it is you're working for, I promise you, is meaningless compared to your family. compared to finding somebody that you truly love and they love you. And the only way to find that is to put first principles first. When you marry somebody, you must have first principles in line. If you don't, you're never going to make it. You're just not. Find that person that agrees with you on first principles and that makes you want to be better. the thing about Tanya, and she stopped saying this long ago, I'm sure, but I used to inspire her to be better and she inspired me to be better. You know what I mean? And she still does. I think I stopped inspiring her long ago. But, you know, I still want to be a better man because of her. First principles and somebody that says that makes you say to yourself, I want to be a better man for her. She deserves more than what I am today.

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I want to talk to a little bit about what I believe is coming in our society, what you need to prepare for. Hopefully I'm wrong. Generally speaking, you know, great. gross exaggeration here, but I'm, I'm right on a lot of these things. I'm just really bad at timing. You know, I talked to you three, four years ago that I thought the week, the year that we ended up doing, you know, BLM, I thought that was the year that assassinations were going to come. And we're here now. And I don't, I pray that this is wrong, but we're not done. And I want to talk to you about that in a second. but I also want to talk to you a little bit about putting the killer to death. There are people that are really very excited about putting this killer to death, a public execution in front of the White House, televised for the whole world to see,

a sign that the right is no longer just messing around. Okay, that's a really bad idea. First of all, that's not justice. If anyone deserves the death penalty, it would be someone like this, took an innocent man away from his wife and kids forever. It is the state law that matters, and the state of Utah has the death penalty, and they use it. But should we be crying for the death penalty?

I mean, is that an eye for an eye? Would that be a victory? So yesterday, I saw a second version of what Justice looks at. like, but it's not one, what I just said about executing people in front of the high, maybe that's, maybe that's some kind of justice, but it's all justice, no mercy. Yesterday, I saw justice mainly mercy from Erica Kirk. And I want to play this. This is what she said.

Cut one. My husband, Charlie, he wanted to save young men, just like the one. who took his life. That young man, on the cross, our Savior said, Father, forgive them, for they not know what they do. That man, give him. I forgive him because it was what Christ did and is what Charlie would do.

The answer to hate is not hate. The answer we know from the gospel is love and always love. love for our enemies and love for those who persecute us what an amazing an absolute amazing example of being christ-like so let me take this a step further the man who killed charlieb deserves death i mean i think we all have the right to hate him uh especially the wife that will never see your husband again. But that's not victory, and that's not what we're supposed to do. It's natural for us to want revenge. And that's what he wanted. He wanted revenge. He wanted to stop the man who he believed was spreading hate, except he didn't. This always works in the opposite way, always.

But Erica just showed us what true vengeance, if you will, looks like. Because she knows who the real enemy is. The real enemy doesn't care about the killer at all, at all. The real enemy used that kid and is done with him. If he would die right now, it wouldn't matter. Maybe the real enemy would rejoice, but it doesn't matter. Just another soul lost forever. another member of God's family ripped away from him and all those who follow God

well they're too busy cheering on his death to realize what just happened so I'm going to be very very careful here because I'm going to make the point for the death penalty in this case as well Paul the apostle put it really plainly he said for we wrestle not against flesh and blood but against principalities against powers against the rulers of darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places. Want to take real revenge? Deny evil what it wants.

Do good instead. The real enemy shrieked in pain when she said that. That's not what the real enemy wants. He wants hatred. He needs hatred. that you make them shriek when you pray for the redemption of everyone. And everybody is now seeing how Christians are reacting to Charlie's death, even as killer. We haven't burned cities down. We're not screaming in the streets.

We are denying what evil wants. But forgiveness, forgiveness is different, isn't it? Isn't forgiveness different than justice? forgiveness is absolutely required of Christians. But justice and mercy, those are the scales, justice and mercy. Justice is about order, accountability, and the consequence of choices. But if you just go for justice that hardens into deep and profound cruelty, it leaves strict law without compassion leaves no room for growth,

no room for redemption, the human condition of weakness. It punishes, but it never heals. A world with all justice and no mercy is just a cold tribunal, where even the small mistakes are crushed under the weight of total imperfect law. But justice must be satisfied. One of the problems that we're having right now is justice is never paid by anybody. They get away with anything. And we are crying out for justice, which makes it harder because sometimes mercy is confused with no justice. Mercy by itself is compassion. It is forgiveness. It is second chances.

But mercy without justice loses its meaning entirely. It just becomes indulgence. There are no boundaries, no consequences. consequences, no standards of right and wrong anymore, none of it. It devolves into the society that we have right now. And wrongdoing just remains unchecked. Victims are forgotten. Society erodes. And there is no accountability whatsoever. So which one do you want? Which one do you want? Justice protects the innocent, but mercy redeems the guilty.

order and love. I want both. God's law demands justice, yet his character demands mercy. I think Utah has the firing squad. And if they go for the death penalty, I would hope that everybody on that firing squad is weeping,

that they are providing justice that must be served, but they are doing it with a soft and gentle heart and mercy. If you're struggling with this message, I get it. I don't blame you. Hate is really natural, and it's justified at times. It really is. But it also weighs us down. That's why we're supposed to look to Christ.

that's why we're supposed to look to God. You know, Jesus has nails in his body. Can you imagine what that was like? Imagine what it was like for him to even breathe, let alone talk. And the reason why usually those who were crucified, they had to break their legs, was because they could use their legs to pull themselves up. Because hanging in that position as you would sag more and more, it's not only ripping the nails, but it's also causing your lungs to collapse.

You cannot breathe. So imagine nails in your feet and you are pushing yourself up to be able to breathe and to forgive someone, to say out loud, Father forgive them. Wow. Wow. And he had every right to come back from the dead and go, all right, you want to play that way? Let me show you what I can do. but he didn't. Instead, he came back and told his followers many who abandoned him to go into the world and try to save those who put holes in his hands and his feet. And they knew that they would die. They knew that they would die. But Christ knew that no matter how evil men can become, that's not the real enemy. The real enemy, needs hatred because with hatred we can lose our first citizenship.

We lose the kingdom of God. And that's all he wants. That's all the real enemy wants. Hatred to separate us from our father and separate all mankind. Because he's mad at dad. I happen to believe that justice needs to be served. I believe that we are in such chaos because justice hasn't been served in quite some time. The laws of Utah are for a murder like this.

It is the death penalty. And that is the law. I don't want the laws change to make a point. I don't want him having the exception and not paying a price for this. I believe the death penalty. is the right thing. Because I believe that there has to be, I mean, that has to be punished. It has to be punished, especially when it is so egregious.

But it must be done with mercy. Love them. Forgive them. Give justice. But pray that they go back home. This is the best of the Glenn Beck program. Do a couple of things here. First of all, let me make an announcement and tickets will be available soon.

I was supposed to go on tour with Charlie on October 9th. And a bunch of us are doing these. We were going to do these events at universities. And I had already agreed to do one in North Dakota with him on October 9th. Now that's not happening because Charlie's not there. or so I thought. They have come to me and a couple of others that have, you know, we're going to do this. And they've asked, would we do it without him?

And, you know, and I, and I, I said, you know, I, I'm not afraid of, I'm terrified of students, not because they're going to kill me, because I'd lose my mind. I'd lose my mind. Charlie had the patience of Job. I'd lose my mind. And I said, you really don't want me. Because when Charlie called me, you know, and said, will you go do this? I said, Charlie, I can't do what you do.

I, you don't want me. I'd be a very bad example. And they said, Glenn, you do what you do. And I said, okay. So I'm going to bring some artifacts and I'm going to teach the beginning of the country. I'm going to teach the principles and the values, and I may take some questions until I can't take questions anymore. I just don't know. But I'm going to give some perspective on Charlie Kirk to honor him first, and then we're going to talk about history and why these principles work in the first place.

You'll be able to buy tickets. I don't know if it's up yet, but the turning point tour.com is where they'll be. It's October 9th University of North Dakota at 6.30 p.m. Pray for me on that one because I could lose my mind in an instant. But I'm actually looking forward to it. All right. Let me tell you what I think is coming. I think we have seen in the last couple of weeks,

I actually think we have seen the left on their best behavior. Now that's saying something because we had another shooting. What was it yesterday in New Hampshire at a wedding? Somebody comes in, starts shooting up all these people at the wedding, and screams, free Palestine. And I don't know about you, but that sure made me change my mind about where, you know, where I stand on that issue. Gosh, what's wrong with people? And then somebody else, because of Jimmy Kimmel, they went to an ABC station and just shot holes at the ABC studios. And, you know, people inside.

They caught both of these guys. But it's getting worse, gang. It's getting worse. And I think the only ones that we've really heard from are the very, very, the ones we expected. You know, I don't expect, you know, Elon Omar to be reasonable all of a sudden, do you? I mean, you know, when Talib starts saying, he was a fashion. I expect that. I got it.

I got it. So it's been the usual suspects that have done that. And I think, and I'm hoping this is not true. but I think we've seen the the regular leftist, not Democrat, the regular leftist just be like, you know what, we're not going to influence or make any friends yet, just keep your powder dry.

And now that the funeral is over, now that the memorial is over, I think we're going to start seeing them come out in real force. Because you're seeing the really bad ones get really much worse, and we're seeing people, being shot and targeted in everyday life. I mean, and nobody seems to be mentioning that anywhere. Wait a minute.

New Hampshire, a wedding, free Palestine, Jimmy Kimmel. People had nothing to do with Jimmy Kimmel. Somebody just comes and just tries to kill people in ABC before that. It was somebody putting a bomb underneath a local Fox affiliate truck. That happened, what, last week as well? I mean, what is happening? What is happening? evil that's what's happening um and so we have to prepare now to be good i encourage every single person

every single person in that has an audience and by the way you have an audience if you have a facebook page or anything else you have an audience but anybody who has an audience to uh declare exactly what you would want to happen if violence ever befell you. And I will tell you, I will come back and haunt you for the rest of your life if somebody becomes violent. I want you to preach the gospel. I want you to forgive. I don't want you to forget. I want you to demand justice, but I want you to turn to Christ and ask for his help for forgiveness, for. For for everybody and love one another. That's what I want. That's what Charlie wanted. Charlie got it. I mean, for the 40 people, it would show up for me. They're like 40 people, you know, it's like mainly

the family. Like, I know what dad wanted. I mean, I don't know why. Anyway, I should let you know now. I'm busy that day. You're busy that. I know. I know. I know. Sorry. I know. I know. But anyway, and I think everybody should say that because, you know, I don't think we're done. I don't think we're done. I hope we are, but I don't think we're done. And I think we're going to start seeing worse and worse, because darkness does not understand the light. It's never going to figure out, oh, this is just making things worse. And it is always going to, and foreign countries are involved, are always going to try to put us into revolution and to civil war. It wants it. It wants it. It needs it. It feeds on blood and hatred. Don't feed it. Don't feed it. Don't ever, ever, ever.

feed it. Now let me tell you the difference between the two sides. You know, the Declaration of Independence is such an amazing document because it doesn't start out with grievances. It actually kind of starts out with an apology, you know, hey, I think we owe it to the world. We want to break up and, you know, it's, I mean, it's just the greatest breakup letter of all time, you know. we're going to break up and and so I kind of owe it to you to tell you why I'm breaking up. Okay. That's how it starts. And then it doesn't say, it's you.

It actually says and means it's us. It's me. It's me. I'm breaking up because of me. And I just want you to know that. But unlike when you say that when you're actually breaking up and you don't mean it, it's like you stink on ice, but I'll take the blame here. It's me. It's now.

I just got some things going on. my aunt. That's not true. It was with the founders. It's us. You don't understand us. You know, we've tried to tell you over and over again, but we're different than you are. You believe certain things, but we hold these things to be self-evident. Okay. So it doesn't start with grievances. It doesn't like, ah, and you know what? You don't pick up your underpants. No, I got to pick them up and throw them in the wash every day. Doesn't do any of that. Instead, it's, it's, it's, It starts with, here's what we want to build. Here's when we gain our freedom.

This is what we want to build. We want to build a society where governments are instituted among men, where men can rule themselves. And the government is built to protect rights that we think everybody has, not just the king, everybody has them. And they don't come from the king. They don't come from government. They come from God. So when we're free, that's what we're going to do. We're going to try something entirely new.

That's inspirational. That's why the revolution is the only revolution to end with the same people that started it. Usually it starts, you know, we got to go get some freedom. And then it's, yeah, and we're going to behead the king too. And yeah, but you just betrayed it. So we're going to get his wife as well and behead her. It's just a bloodbath. Didn't happen in America.

Why? Because they were fighting for something, not against. I want to give you the two sides that we're dealing with right now. The left will say they're for something, but what are they for? Justice. What kind of justice? Social justice. Hey, let's talk about this. Their justice requires, if there is no justice, there's no peace.

it requires negative action. No justice, no peace. And when the when the pickets fail, then the next logical thing is to shut people up. And when that fails, the next thing is to shoot those people that just won't stop talking. That's not justice. There's no justice in that. You know, you look at the Charlie Kirk killing and the George Floyd killing.

Both demand justice. right both are horrible things both demand justice no justice no peace okay but justice but justice for all or justice that is really for this one person and not for innocent cops no because there has to be justice against the cops but all cops are the same well you know that's not true not all people are the same. Not all people are bad. Not all cops are bad. Some cops are good. Some cops are bad. So it's not justice because it can't be justice if everybody is just blanket bad. So we have to dismantle the police. Well, what happens when you dismantle the police? It's not justice for cops, the bad cops. I want justice for the bad cops, but I also want justice for the good cops.

I want them to be protected by justice. No, no, they want no cops. Well, what happens when you get rid of the cops. What happens when you get rid of bail? You get chaos. Okay. Chaos. Who's the author of chaos? You look at what people say they're for and they're actually not for anything. They're against. They're the opposite of the Declaration of Independence. They're against something. Now let's look at Charlie. What was Charlie for? And what are we for by standing up with you? We are for forgiving. We are for forgiveness. We are for equal justice. We're not going after the parents. Some are, and you're wrong, we're not going after the parents. We're going after the guy who pulled the trigger. We're not just going to back up a van and say, everybody who looks like that guy, you're bad. No, no, we want

evidence. We want evidence. We want actual justice. If you were involved, then justice must be satisfied. But there is no justice if you just round everybody else up. He's for God, which leads you to freedom of speech, which leads you to freedom, freedom. And the rule of law, you know, they say, you're just anarchists. No, the anarchists are the ones burning the city down. We're not anarchists. We want the rule of law.

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