The Glenn Beck Program - Best of the Program | Guest: Annie Jacobsen | 7/29/26

Episode Date: July 29, 2026

Glenn starts the show by discussing Dr. Anthony Fauci invoking the Fifth Amendment during the Senate Homeland Security Committee hearing, led by Sen. Rand Paul (R-Ky.), when asked about the origins of the COVID-19 pandemic. Glenn rants about Fauci's arrogance and the cover-up being done to keep Fauci from jail. Glenn discusses the rise of Flock cameras and lays out the good and the bad that come from installing these cameras across the country. Are Flock cameras the beginning of America becoming a surveillance state? Annie Jacobsen, author of "Biological War: A Scenario," joins to discuss how close we are to biological warfare in light of the recent hearing over COVID-19 and gain-of-function research.  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

That Fauci hearings today. Oh, I plead the fifth. Who didn't see that one coming? I guarantee you what you're going to see is the mainstream media is going to make this all about Rand Paul, wanting to get this sweet old man who did nothing wrong, how he kicked his attorney out. He had six of them, by the way. And this is just nothing but a hatchet job. That's what the mainstream media is going to say.

And meanwhile, Annie Jacobson was on discussing her new book about biological warfare and COVID, and why it's so important to get this right. Because her new book that came out yesterday is absolutely terrifying. Wait until you hear what is truly going on all over the world with biological warfare and, you know, gene splicing. It's great fun. Also, I take on flock cameras. If you don't know what flock cameras are, you will by the end of the monologue. And I think you'll probably have an opinion.

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How did we get the diaries? Rand Paul released his private diaries. No, no. Anthony Fauci was dumb enough to write his diary. on public servers. He wrote them on government servers. Those are now government property. It was JF, or RFK Jr.

that found them on the servers, and he released them to Rand Paul. Rand Paul then said, well, they're public. So release them all. We find this out, this little piece, we find out now this week, that he goes to,

the hospital in Washington. He goes in for a scan because he said he's never felt pain like this before. He has pain in his chest. He's worried maybe it's a heart attack. Now, he had just gotten publicly his shot for the coronavirus. He gets his shot that's definitely going to stop it from. You're never going to have to worry about it again. Anyway, so the radiologist does something because he's Anthony Fauci that no radiologist would ever do. You ask a radiologist, what do you see? The radiologist always says, nothing. Because he's not a doctor. He's a radio, nothing. Nothing. I don't

know. You have to talk to your doctor. The doctor will give you that. Okay, so the radiologist looks at it, and he says there's a lesion in your lower lobe, and I think it's cancer. So he writes in his diary that he felt like he was hit by a Mack truck. Turns out it wasn't cancer. What was it? A pulmonologist re-read the film.

What Fauci had was a pulmonary infarque. Wait, what? What is that? What is that? Piece of lung tissue that died because a clot cut off his blood supply. Wow. Now, wait a minute, hang on. At that moment, he's the most visible advocate for the COVID vaccine on the planet.

He had taken his first dose on live television, and then he has this pulmonary infarck and doesn't say anything. Now, the diary doesn't say the vaccine caused the clot. Fauci never wrote that. Robert Kennedy and Dr. Peter McCullough made this connection this week on the basis of timing and the fact that clotting events appear on federal lists of rare adverse effects, but the CDC does not list a pulmonary infarction among the common side effects of MRNA vaccines. And also, just to be fair, Anthony Fauci is 80 in June of 2021, 80-year-old men's, they throw

clots. If you tried to prove causation in a courtroom on that evidence, you'd lose. And you'd probably deserve to lose. So I'm not saying it is caused by the COVID vaccine. What I am telling you is what's left standing there. A man telling 300 million Americans that adverse events were vanishingly rare, had an event in his own lung, and got quietly treated by some of the best physicians in the country didn't disclose it. Not to the press, not to the parents he was asking to vaccinate their 12-year-olds. He wrote it down in a private notebook and kept walking to the podium telling everybody, including 80-year-olds, you've got to get this.

That's not a medical question. That's a character question. And the rest of the diary answers all of those questions. In May of 2020, he writes, he's the most famous. and talked about person in the country. And there are pages and pages about the actors and the comedians. There's an entry about a phone call from Barbara

Streisand. There are entries where he calls Rand Paul Stupid for asking about the NIH royalty payments, which we proved, we proved in our special. What was the name of the special? The cover-up? COVID cover-up? Yeah, I think so. It's available right now at glenbeck.com. You should go back and watch it.

We proved those payment. We showed you. The payment. were going to the Federal Reserve. Why? What was happening? We made a partnership before the coronavirus. And then he writes in his diary in 2022.

After the midterms, he says, wow, good thing. The midterms turn out this way. Paul's not going to be able to haul me into hearings anymore. And then something else. On January 26, 2020, five weeks before the World Health Organization would use the word pandemic, Fauci wrote privately that the first infection was in early December

and was not connected to the wet market. Now, wait a minute, wait a minute, wait a minute. Did you know that? Because I didn't know that. I knew that was true, that it was true not connected to the wet market because we showed you in our special. We showed you what was happening

and that Fauci knew what was happening in that lab in December. and really, I think it started in September, didn't it, Jason? It was September, October, but it really started to show first signs of this is deadly in late November, early December. Okay. Then he goes on to say that the wet market was the amplifier. Well, why would it be the amplifier? If it's not the source, what is the source and how is the wet market? Well, the Wuhan lab is right there by the wet market.

So that would make sense if it came from the lab. But go find publicly what he was saying that spring. None of this. Okay, so let me tell you exactly what I believe. And let me be precise about the word believe, because I can't prove it in court. This is not a courtroom. We have the documents.

I've made a very powerful argument. I think if I was in a courtroom, I would win. but that's not the way our system works. I believe that Anthony Fauci approved Gain of Function Research, and he knows exactly how that is defined. Once he redefined it in front of Congress, he went back and they changed it on the NIH website to fit his description of what Gain of Function is.

I believe he did it because he's arrogant enough to conclude the work was too important for the law to stop him, and he found a way to route the money and let him say later that it wasn't technically what everybody knows it exactly was. Wuhan was sloppy. Something went wrong in the fall of 2019. People started getting sick shortly after, and I believe it was the cover-up that followed. That's not a theory. The cover-up is documented. The last part is an opinion. In April, a federal grand jury indicted Dr. David Morin's, that's Fauci's closest aid for nearly two decades,

on five counts including conspiracy and destruction of federal records. The indictment describes Morin's moving conversations off government email specifically to defeat the freedom of information request. It names Peter Dasek of EcoHealth Alliance, the outfit that passed NIH money to the Wuhan Institute of Virology. lists them as a co-conspirator along with another guy from Boston University, 51 years of theoretical exposure. That case is live right now. And the question that I just can't get past is, if there's nothing there, what were they hiding?

You don't route correspondence through Gmail to protect science. You don't shred documents, as it was pointed out again today. Anthony Fauci, his assistant, is on record shredding documents. Why would you do that? You don't do that. Unless you're trying to assure that a grantee, their name doesn't turn up in a FOIA production, to protect science or to protect yourself. Okay?

That's exactly what was going on. And I'll tell you where the case is thin. there is no proven link between the coronavirus work at the lab and the outbreak. There are really credible opinions, including that the CIA briefed Fauci early on saying it came from the lab. And then he never said anything about it, including the fact that he early on said it came from the lab. Everybody on his team, there was 13 people in the room, everybody except two said it came from the lab. we always heard it was the opposite. It was just a minority.

No, the majority of everybody said it came from the lab. And then he and Peter Dasak went to work. People started getting grants when they suddenly came out and said, no, it didn't come from the lab. And most of the fight over is gain of function. And that's just about a definition at this point. Okay?

Does this experiment meet the exact federal language? That definitional gap is exactly how he has survived eight rounds of this. The diaries strengthened the conduct of his case enormously, enormously. But they don't close the origins case. And if

I didn't tell you this, you should know that I would be selling you something. It doesn't. But it's a strong case. So I think this morning he's listening to his lawyers, his six lawyers, let him know.

You could either just repeat exactly what you said before, but there might be able to get you into lying, which would put you in prison, because they now have the evidence of what you said was a lie. So you really have one move

left. Well, two, you could say, I don't remember, I don't recall, and look like an old man that just doesn't remember anymore, and you could be remembered for that. Or you could look defiant, and you could make this whole case look like

that this Rand Paul is just after me. And I'm just this simple public servant, and he's after me. And we'll stage a little thing at the very beginning where he's going to force me to get out because I've already been told I can't sit at the table with you. That's not the way this works. Blah, blah, blah. And so he'll force me out, and that'll only make it stronger.

I can guarantee you that's what he took. He took the one move to look like the victim and plead the fifth. And John U laid this out. It's almost arithmetic the way this works. A pardon covers what he said and did before it was signed. A knowing false statement under oath today is a brand new federal crime. And the auto pin can't reach that one. Every time he pleads the fifth, however,

remember he says it with a thousand pages of his own handwriting sitting on the table right in front of him. A man who never expected. anyone to read it, wrote down who he actually was and what he was really doing. And for the first time today, he was asked to sit in a room where we all know exactly who he is. It's a sad day for the Republic because you don't have an honest search for truth on the other side. The facts are so clear on this. And what you have is you have big state.

it's not Democrats, it's big state. Anybody who is for the big state, anybody who is like, look, we're going to have to do things that we have to do. And, you know, if things get tough, we have to have all of the tools in our hands. We have to be able to say, you're not doing that or you go to jail.

You have to do this. You have to take this vaccine or you're going to be a pariah. We have to be able to say to the media, no, you do these things. If they start pulling on this thread, you're going to see all of the crimes that were committed. At least crimes against your rights,

crimes against the Bill of Rights. And the media is not covering any of this because they were cohorts in it. They were just as responsible. It's a sad day for the Republic because if you don't correct this, if somebody doesn't pay, the next guy who is just as arrogant,

goes, well, Fauci got away with it. Do you know why Hitler knew he could get away with exterminating the Jews? Turkey. Turkey. Turkey, the Turks went in and they rounded up and they slaughtered all of the Armenians. Just slaughtered them. And the world said nothing. And Hitler said at the time, the world doesn't care.

If you slaughter the right people, the world doesn't care. He knew then I could get rid of the Jews. Jews. If the world would have cared about the Armenians, maybe Hitler would have known they'll care about the Jews, too. That's the point of this hearing. This is not about get him. It's not about any of that. It's about making sure this can't happen again. And you don't set a precedent for somebody who is even crazier than Anthony Fauci. No, when the president says you're not doing it, you're not doing it. and when it happens, you better tell the truth. I wouldn't have had a problem without Fauci. I would have had a problem to some degree, but not like I do now.

If he would have said, yeah, I did this. I thought it was the right thing. They were a sloppy deal. And yeah, I am responsible. Not entirely, but I have to admit I played a role. I would have actually had, I actually would have had compassion for him. He still should have paid a price, but I would have had compassion for him. I despise this man now.

This is the best of the Glenn Beck program. One of my favorite writers, investigators is Annie Jacobson. I have so much respect for what she does. She does years of research on something, goes deeper than anybody I know, and lets the chip fall where they may, and then she's just an absolute pro at telling, a great story.

So the way she talks about it, after she's done all her investigation, she knows how to capture your attention and tell a great story. She just did a scenario on nuclear war. That was her last bestseller, and it was, holy cow, was that good, especially if you listen to her. She has such a beautiful voice, and she's so dry and calm that when she's talking about things that are horrifying in such an almost detached sort of way, It makes it even more disturbing, but you can get through it.

I started listening to her new book, Biological War, yesterday. I'm about halfway through it, and it is, I mean, it's riveting. And I knew it was going to be terrifying when, you know, back in the 90s, there was a guy who ran the Soviet Biological Warfare Department. And he was terrifying, and I did an interview with him. He wrote a book. I can't remember what it was called. and his name is Ken Albeck or something like that.

And he defected. And he wrote a book about what the difference is between Russia and the United States and what he had experienced in Russia where they were looking to kill people and these horrible experiments that they did. She went even further on this because she was quoting him and went even further than he went. And then she gets into a horrifying scenario of what a real outbreak looks like.

This is so important today because Fauci today is pleading the fifth. And think what you want about COVID and the masks and everything else. We know because we have the evidence now that there was at least a cover-up. There's no real solid, absolute proof that it came from the Wuhan lab. But I think the evidence is so. so strong that it's at least the most likely scenario.

And the fact that we may have been involved in that. What else are we doing? What else is the United States or other countries working on? How bad are these labs? This just seems like we're on a suicidal path, and no one's going to pay a price for what just happened. And more importantly, we're never really going to know the truth about what happened. Annie Jacobson joins me in 60 seconds.

First, I'm paying the commercial rate for this one. It's my company, real estate agents.itrust.com, so I'm just going to leave it at that. Go to real estate agentsitrust.com. Find somebody to buy or sell your home right now. Real estate agents I trust.com. Okay, Annie, welcome to the program. Thank you so much for having me. And thank you for that lovely introduction.

Terrifying. Why do you do this? How did you come? I was listening to the book last night, and I'm like, what part of you makes you look for the darkest, most terrifying things and then expose them? Is this what you planned on doing with your life at some point? Why did you choose this? I'm a national security reporter who writes about war and weapons,

and my first six were written in the past tense. And these two books, Nuclear War a scenario and Biological War a scenario, look at the future based on hypothetical Pentagon War. war games. And yes, they are terrifying, but, you know, I say that right in the author's note in the beginning, it ends in dystopia. But at the same time, you can look at the book as a cautionary tale. So here's the problem. You know, I was just talking about Fauci and pleading the fifth. I really would like to see the guy go to jail if the evidence could be proven in the court of law. However, I just want the truth. And we have to have standards.

because if something, if we were involved in something, mistakes were made, we have to know those things, people have to pay a price, or the next time it will just be worse. What are your thoughts on this? And did this play a role? Did COVID play a role in you writing this book at all? Everyone I interviewed had an opinion about COVID, specifically about, you know, the lab leak at Wuhan.

But I left it out of the book. for a very particular reason because I wanted readers to be able to come to their own conclusions, whatever their preconceptions may be. And I do think people think and look differently at COVID after they read the book. That's the feedback I've gotten so far. The book just published yesterday. But, you know, you're absolutely right. COVID could have been, on top of all the horrors that it was,

it could exist for us as a nation as a terrific example. of, you know, what might happen, what could happen. And instead, it's left this fractured society with people absolutely digging their heels in about their beliefs. Not everyone, but a large portion of America, I think. And boy, I think more important than just what they believe, the trust is gone. It's just gone. If it happened, if an outbreak happened a day, half of the country would not believe Donald Trump. If it was Joe Biden or Kamala Harris, half of the country would not believe her.

And there's so many people now that no matter who's in the office, they don't trust the science because they couldn't admit any mistakes anywhere along them. I would have so much sympathy for people who made mistakes and then said, I made this horrible mistake. I thought at this time because I think the people's intent at the very beginning was this could be really bad. got to do everything we can. But then there came a time to where, I don't know what the motivation was, but let's just call them all these horrible mistakes and they never admitted it. So we've lost the trust. Yeah, there's so much uncertainty when you're talking about bio. You know, you've said you've gotten halfway through the book. Well, it doesn't end well. You know,

I think what really be surprised to learn about is, you know, COVID had a case fatality rate of 1%. 1%, 1 in 100 people die. There are genetically modified pathogens out there that have 100% case fatality rate. Everybody dies. And I show readers what the government has planned for that kind of event. And when you see what exists on the books, you know, I take the readers from outbreak to anarchy in six days. Anarchy. And then you learn what happens after anarchy.

And so, again, I really hope that the takeaway from this is not panic, it's pressure. Because when people read this book, which is all based on sources telling me, I'm talking about presidential advice, saying, okay, yep, this is actually what we do. They will say, whoa, like, we've got to drop the rock on those other issues and really focus on what people are supposed to do, what people can do. but you're absolutely right that there has to be a kind of accountability for it because no one likes to be misled. And whatever you say about the lab leak, whatever you fall. You absolutely know now that public health officials were not being honest. Honest.

That doesn't work in my family. It shouldn't work in the government. No. So, Annie, you're writing this and I've been watching you for the last couple of months. And really, since we spoke last week, right after the last book. I've been watching you and seeing your reaction to pathogens and biological weapons or biological problems.

How convinced are you that we are near something and near something not like the Spanish flu, but from an accident in one of these labs? You know, case and point. I mean, accidents are listed in Defense Department nomenclature as having the same plan go into effect as an attack. And that's the only wargaming I know that considers that. I mean, a nuclear accident is going to be dealt with entirely differently because it's going to have entirely different consequences than a nuclear attack. Biological is actually called biological incident. attack. So a lab leak, 100% is as deadly as an attack. Because the pathogen, if it's airborne, the weapon system is the human lung set. So shouldn't what this, you know, this gain of function research, I mean, we are just suicidal. All of this stuff that is out there already, sitting deep in a lab. I mean, I understand if we're looking for, you know,

cures for these weapons, but I just don't know. It feels as though we have crossed a point to where we're almost insane and will appear to be suicidal at some point down the road. And you can't use any of these biological weapons. It's all against the law since Nixon. But how many countries are still doing this stuff?

Well, for starters, look at the labs. So there are 110 BSL4 labs around the world. That's the maximum containment lab. And BSL3, by the way, is just right below that. You can work with plague, hauntavirus, anthrax, rabies in a BSL3 lab. And there are 3,500 of those labs around the world. And so the idea of an accident is, you know, we're just right at that precipice. You mentioned about like suicide. I quote, there was a existential sort of philosopher, Nick Bostrom spoke, God, it's 10 years ago now, about AI maybe being humans last great invention. And I echo him, only I say that about genetic modification of germs. That could very well be 21st century humans last invention. You know, when you actually know why Elon Musk, wants to go to Mars, it makes more sense. You know, he wants to get off before AI and the singularity happen because he's like, otherwise man may not exist.

You know, we don't know what's coming our way. The same thing with biological weapons. You know, we don't have a seed vault for the human race. We screw this up. There's no seed vault. And I think that's what Elon Musk is trying to do with Mars to some degree. Let me take a one minute break, Annie. And then I want you to just set the scene for this war game narrative and take us through it.

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That's the only ending, Glenn. That is the only ending with a genetically modified pathogen to be airborne among the population. You might as well know that right off the bat. I mean, Tom Cruise is not coming to save the day. You sure? Give me just a sliver of it. But. But, well, you know, I think you and I have spoken about this before when we were talking nuclear.

that I really love the phrase, you can't fix what you can't face. Because what it also means is you can fix what you're willing to face. And so when you have a bit of knowledge about these subjects that are so terrifying, then you can arm yourself with the correct information. You can understand when a mask would be appropriate and when it isn't. You can understand, you know, when the hanta virus outbreak happened, for example, in May, and everyone was all worried about it. Well, that was a legitimate fear because there is a strain that is airborne. When it proved not to be that airborne strain, you could take different measures.

People don't know. So they go to an alternative narrative. How could you not? All right. So take us through the scenario that you lay out in the book. We got about five minutes here. at the beginning of the scenario? What's happening? I tie everything to either something has happened in the past or, you know, things that Defense Department games out in the future. So you have an

outbreak at a BSL4 lab in Siberia, in Russia, because Russia still has a bioweapons program in violation of the treaty. Very quickly, you got airborne, you got travelers, hunters, international businessmen in that area of Novosibirsk, get on planes, and they go to every continent but Antarctica. There you have it. It's spread. And once it's spread, it's too late. I show what the defense department, what the intelligence community is doing, you know, gangbusters to try to understand what this pathogen is, because until you know what something is, how do you try and defeat it. And very quickly, it arrives in the United States. And then I show readers the plans in place that the president has, that the biodefense counsel has. And most interestingly to me was

understanding that it's a bureaucratic nightmare, meaning you don't have the defense department in charge who essentially are kind of like go to it, get it done. Say what you will about the DOD, but that's what they do. You've got HHS in charge. You've got CDC. who reports to HHS. You've got FEMA, you've got DHS, you've got all these organizations sitting around the White House trying to organize themselves, their thoughts, and their plans. And it all moves very quickly. And by the time they decide what they can do, and by the time that USAMRID, the DOD's only BSL-4 lab at Fort D-Ditrich, is able to identify the pathogen in my book as pneumonic plague, one of the scariest to all public health officials pathogens with a hundred percent death rate.

By the time they know that, it's too late. How many BSL four labs have that pathogen? Plague is, I mean, plague, Glenn, think about it. You know, the bubonic plague of the 14th century, there are history books written about this. And I quote survivors, what they said happened to people. And everyone thinks, oh, bubonic plague is a thing of the past because, you know, ursinia pestis, that's the germ. Antibiotics will kill that germ. Well, not anymore when you're talking about genetic modifications.

One of the things that gain of function does, it makes pathogens more virulent, it makes them more transmissible, and it makes them able to defeat existing vaccines or antibiotics. And so if there is no cure, you just have mass death. You have anarchy. You have insurrection. And I show readers, I'm not going to spoiler alert because I want you to experience this. But what happens after the Insurrection Act is declared is a classified plan called the devolution plan. And I was able to get Obama's former FEMA director, Craig Fugate, to take me and I take readers up to the edge of what. can legally be known about that plan where all the government goes off to secret bunkers called hot sites, cold sites, and warm sites. So let that stew in your imagination when you finish my book. Thank you very much. I hate you so much. I want to leave the program right now and go read the rest of the book. So, Annie, can you give us something?

Because when you describe the guy on the plane, oh, my gosh, how quickly he is devolving and how it is everywhere on that plane. And it's just one guy. It's a little terrifying. Yeah. You know, the, go ahead. I was going to say, may I butt in? Yeah.

Because in your intro, I cannot forget this, in your intro, you mentioned Ken Alibak. And he was one of the Soviet defectors. And there were a number of them. And I interviewed their CIA handlers for the book and learned a lot more. And I interviewed one of the world's experts on plague at USAMRID, at the DOD's BSL 4 Lab, who told me what Alibac was really doing and his team in the cold. World War in the Soviet bio-weapons program. Never reported before. They were inserting through gain of function, genetic modification. They were inserting the gene. This is what you're referring

to, the traveler on the plane, the gene for euphoria. And so you may say to yourself, well, what on earth would that be for? What would it do? Think about it. If you're really sick, you go home and get under the covers and you don't infect anyone. But the Soviet. The Soviet, sort of malevolent scientists thought if we inject euphoria into the pathogen, people will go out and socialize. They may even go to the disc and they will infect other. That's dark. Oh, really dark. We're going to come back and we'll talk some more because I want to spend some time on Ken and why he defected in the end and what he experienced and some of the stuff that he did that I didn't know that you reveal at the beginning of the book

that is just white-knuckle terrifying. Annie Jacobson, the name of the book is Biological Warra scenario. It's available everywhere right now, and well worth it. Listen to the audio because her narration is fabulous. You're streaming the best of Glenn Beck. To hear more of this interview and others, download the full show podcasts wherever you get podcasts.

All right. So let me start with a good on flock cameras. Because flock cameras are starting to become even less popular than data centers. So let me give you the good side. Truck gets stolen out of a driveway, two in the morning. Ten years ago, that was a report, a case number, and a shrug. Good luck. Maybe we'll find it.

Okay. Today, a camera on a poll reads the plate as it crosses the county line. A deputy has a direction of travel before the owner finishes his coffee. Another one, woman with dementia. There was a woman with dementia. They didn't find her body right here. I live right across the street from a reservoir in this canyon that my ranch is in. And it was snowy, really bad.

Woman with dementia gets into her car and she's driving. And she's trying to find her way home. She has no reason to be in this canyon. It's nowhere. This is not the direction of her home. But she has dementia. It's late at night. She drives off, you know, the road, a little cliff.

and she goes into the water and the car sinks into the water. Nobody knows it because it was in the middle of night. Nobody knows where she is, has no idea until the thaws come, and then the water line starts to go down in the summer, and you start to see the car, and you're like, oh, dear God. And they pull her car and her out. It took months for anybody to know where she was. if you had a flock camera, the system would know.

Families would have, you know, known maybe they would have been able to stop her before she even got into this canyon. All right. Flock safety says it's technology supported by more than a million public safety investigations last year, assisted in 20% of solved cases where departments used it, helped locate more than 10,000 missing people. Now, that's the company's own number, unaudited, so, weigh it accordingly, but go tell the sheriff who found a missing child with one of the flock cameras that they don't work. And you're going to lose the argument. And you should.

It works. And nobody serious should say otherwise. It is great. But it has a dark side, as everything does in today's world. The camera doesn't read the plate of a stolen truck. It reads every plate. It reads yours on the way to work, yours on the way to church, Yours on the way to the doctor, yours on the way to the lawyer, the gun store, the divorce attorney. And the newer ones don't stop at the plate. They log the make, the model, the color, the dent in your fender, the rack on your roof, the sticker in your back window. Some of them track people and faces, not just cars. And all of it drops into a searchable database and sits there for weeks.

Now, one camera is a tool. 90,000 of them wired into a network across thousands of communities is not a tool. It's a standing answer to a question nobody asked. And that question is, where has this person been for the last month? Now, you can talk about theoretical abuse, but let's talk about real stuff that is already happening. Officers in Georgia have been arrested over the misuse of the system. Police around the country have lost their jobs for running. plate readers on women that they're interested in.

Columbus officer ran immigration searches. Reporters found police using a search to hunt for people by tattoo and t-shirt, not cars and people. In Los Angeles, the department's own inspector general flagged how often the system falsely flagged vehicles as stolen, which means innocent drivers were getting pulled over in California at gunpoint because the software misread a letter. So cities are starting to cancel this.

More than 50 of them, 39 in the first five months of this year alone. Syracuse pulled 131 cameras off the polls. Denver let its contract lapse. Los Angeles let its expire. Then, city after city, a different crew showed up and bolted a different camera onto the same pole. now it's Axon. This is the Taser Company, the body camera company.

They're already sitting inside of those police departments. Denver cut the camera count in half, shortened the data retention from 30 days to 21, and called it a victory. Syracuse changed the vendors and kept the network. Security expert, Bruce Schneider, said, leaving a flock for Axton is like quitting fan duel. because you're addicted to it and joining draft kings.

It's the same thing. The problem is not the company. The problem is there is no rule. A contract gets renegotiated. A vendor will get swapped. Police chief retires. Council turns over. And every promise that protected you walks right out the door with that person leaving.

The law is the only thing that survives the next. election. If you're going to have flock cameras, you have to have law. Good news, we already have one. We've had it since 1791. In fact, BJ, do you have a little bit of the song from Torch 250? This is a song about the Fourth Amendment. You have it, play it if you have it. The Fourth Amendment

is all about how you can't do these things. Listen. Number four, protects my rights. Do it right. Number four, protects your right. You've got to have a warrant. You have to have probable cause. Otherwise, leave me alone.

There is no warrant. These flock cameras have no warrant. Warrants have to come from a judge. They're issued on probable cause. What's the probable cause of watching me all of the time? You're not searching my place or my person by name, but I will tell you it's either the Third Amendment, which is watching you all the time through, you know,

having somebody, you know, having military posted inside of your house, which is the Third Amendment, or it's the Fourth Amendment. Where is your search warrant? How can you possibly search me? how can you possibly watch me all the time? The men who wrote the Fourth Amendment had lived under a piece of paper that let an officer search anyone he pleased.

They could go in and just say, I don't need a warrant. I can search you. I can haul your butt over here for anything I want. A camera that photographs every single car that passes it is a warrant with no name on it. You know, I've been doing this, I've been doing this for years. I've been reading this stuff.

I mean, I've been doing this job for 49 years. I've been reading this stuff about, you know, the amendments for 25 years. This has happened before. I'm looking now for all the times that these things have happened before. Listen to this one. Did you know in August of 1945, days after the war ended, the ink is barely dry on the surrender. Two men from the Army signals intelligence went to New York and sat down

with three companies that carried telegrams. It was Western Union, RCA, and I-T-T. And they said, we need a copy of every telegram going into or out of the United States. And the company said yes. It ran for 30 years. Truman, Eisenhower, Kennedy, Johnson, Nixon, at its peak, analysts were pulling 150,000 messages every month

without a warrant, one court order. That's the same as your car. Not one American knew what was happening. They called it Project Shamrock. So they're pulling all of these. There's nothing going wrong, but they're just watching the traffic. Okay?

There was no law against it. At the time, no law against it. Nobody had written one. Because when it started, the technology was new. The war had just ended, and everybody involved meant well. Finally was exposed in 1974.

the Senate dragged it into the daylight, and investigators asked the retired deputy director whether reading Americans telegrams had been legal, and he said, I don't know, you'll have to ask the lawyers. That's the problem. So Congress wrote the law. The Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act made the wholesale warrantless collection of raw telegrams,

phone calls, everything else. It required a warrant to target an American. And that program ran three decades in the dark, and it died two years after somebody turned the line. on 30 years before anybody found out about it. Flock has been at this for seven, and we know, but that's the entire advantage. It has a shelf life.

Knoxville County, the mayor there, Glenn Jacobs, I think. He looked at a plan for 270 cameras in his county, funded by more than a million dollars in grant money, and he said, yeah, no, no. not let's study it. No. His commission didn't ban them on Monday. They voted to keep arguing and come back next month. That's a fight, not a defeat.

There's a, Tim Burchett is filing a bill in congressmen to stop federal agencies from buying or accessing the systems that track people. Thomas Massey says he's going to file one to cut the federal dollars to departments that deploy them. 53 cities already walking away. There is another response. out there, and I have to tell you, I understand it, but people are now going out and they're vandalizing these flock cameras. That is really bad. A man in New Mexico just violated the, he was arrested for taking out 13 of these flock cameras and told the TV station when they got him, I'd do it again. And I get the anger. But a man with a crowbar doesn't change anything that a purchase order can't undo by

Friday. You destroy them. You're only going to make the case for flock cameras even bigger. We got to get these hoodlums off of the streets and they'll just go buy another one and replace it. Okay. You have to do something the next vendor can't undo, uninstall, replace, and the window's closing. So I'm going to tell you exactly if you're against these flock cameras, and I am, I'm going to tell you exactly what you need to do.