The Glenn Beck Program - Best of the Program | Guest: Ben Burr | 10/13/22

Episode Date: October 13, 2022

Pat Gray joins the guys to discuss Alex Jones and the utter lunacy of his recent lawsuit verdict. Glenn and Stu play a new game reviewing various stories, including the failure of the new woke Superman and a group of people wearing neon green bodysuits robbing people in a New York City subway. BlueRibbon Coalition executive director Ben Burr joins to expose President Biden's unlawful land grab in Utah regarding monuments. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Holy cow, what a program for you today, huh? We got a little bit of everything in today's show. A lot of comedy, you know, a few good rants there. Some things did actually make me a little angry today. We talked about the government land grab, and we gave you some really good news on politics. Oh, and Stu and I made a bet. That's right, we did Yeah, we made a bet

And it's a pretty important bet One that I cannot lose for multiple years But I might collect on In just a few weeks And if I do, I will be miserable You will be, this is the only time He's ever made a bet Where he will be

I want to lose Miserable if he wins I want to lose this bet so bad But you don't think you will I do not think I will Yeah The first part of it I'm pretty confident I'll be, you will not be paying me

in a few weeks However, in a couple of years, I think I'm going to be, I'm going to have a nice meal. Oh, no, you're not. No, you're not. I'd have a nice meal, which I will use, probably to buy lots of alcohol to drown my sorrows. It's a hundred bucks in two years. You won't be able to buy a fry. Not a large fry or small fry. I mean, a fry. A single solitary fry. Could I have a McDonald's fry, please?

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recipients will get 8.7% boost in their benefits in 2023. Historic increase fueled by high inflation that has raised the cost of everyday living. Now, John Hayward writes, and he says, who wants to bet the White House press secretary potted plants, touts the historic boost in social security as a benefit as a major, major achievement

of the Biden administration. Totally. She's going to do that today. A 100% certitude. Corrine Jean-Pierre will come out and say this is a wonderful thing for seniors. You already have Ron Clayne, a claim coming out. Okay. And he said, first time in a decade where Social Security benefits go up, Medicare premiums go down. Seniors are going to get ahead of inflation in 2023.

They're already doing it. Incredible. I mean, how predictable and pathetic. Pathetic. These guys are such, oh. That's amazing spin. though. That's amazing spin.

Can we talk about something that I, can we just be adults here for a second? Oh, absolutely. And recognize nuance. This is how you get canceled. When you say something like that, you're about to get canceled. So, you know how much I despise Alex Jones. I don't know if you despise him as much as I do. Yeah, I'm not a fan.

Pretty close. You guys are kind of like my work wives. And I'm Mormon, so I can have more than one wife. Oh, is that sure? So I have two wives at work. Yeah. Yeah, at work. Okay, got it.

So you're like my, you're like my workwives, and you get more protective of me sometimes than I am. And we all know that Alex Jones said right after September 11th that I was the CIA government operative that was on radio only because I was a CIA agent. And I was covering, I was leading the media to cover up 9-11. Well, in this, our location here is the CIA substation. Yes. He claimed. And, you know, people used to ask him about you and he and whether or not you were actually for Obama. Yeah.

And he's like, no, he is the Obama administration. So there was all that. And the first, you remember that, you remember the tour with a Christmas sweater where, where I thought somebody had a gun was going to kill me. Remember they had the, you know, all traders must die? Yeah. There were some fun times. Yeah, fun times. That was Alex Jones driven.

I mean, not, he didn't do it. We should be clear. Right. No, but he was the one that was fueling it on the air. And there were people who took what he said. Yes. Yeah. So I have no love for the guy.

None. However, a billion dollars? Come on. I mean, first of all. He doesn't have a billion dollars. No way. I'm sure he does really well with his supplements and whatnot. What do you think really well is?

I bet he makes, you know, personally, probably between 20 and 50 million. No way. I don't think it's in the map. You don't think so? No. Really? No. Maybe I've been skewed by their estimates because that's what they've kind of said.

Yeah. No way. One of the things they can maybe five million. million dollars a year. One of the things they do is they're using revenue numbers. So like, you know,

you sell a product. Pat, you may know this. Kexie cookies. Uh-huh. If you sell $5 million of kexie.com. Okay. If you sell $5 million of kexie cookies,

you don't keep $5 million. Right. That's not how business works. Right. Like, I wish it did. You spend more than $5 million per batch in just butter. Right.

So. My son looked up. How much is Glenn Beck worth on the, on Google. And he came to me, he's like $300 million or something like that. Yeah. And he comes down, dad.

And I'm like, son, there's more feathers than chickens in the bank account. That ain't true. All they did was take how much my companies earn. And then said, he's taking all that home. Believe me. No. That's not how this works. And $965 million was the penalty against Alex Jones yesterday.

In addition to that, he had $50 million from a Texas suit that he was supposed to pay. And he's got a third one coming. And he also has a third one coming in Connecticut, which will probably be even more. Because this is the guy who's like the highest profile person who's been talking about this for the longest. And he still has, I can't remember if it's punitive and compensatory or whatever it is. He still has the other one coming in the suit where he lost $965 million. So it's going to be even more out of that suit. It's to the point of complete and utter absurdity.

It's lunacy. It's lunacy. And if you're going to start holding a person accountable for saying things that are his opinion on the air, and you're going to hold him accountable for people who, for instance, one of the big things that they said in the trial was that somebody peed on one of the graves of the children and it was one of his supporters or whatever, well, why don't you prosecute that guy? That person. That's the person that gets.

Jones did not tell the guy to do that. No. It's assinine. No. It's acid. So you're just going on emotion. Yes. Exactly right.

And you cannot, you cannot find somebody like that on a freedom of speech thing. Right. I can't believe I'm defending this. I know. But you have to allow people to say horrible things. Even things that are wrong. Right. Yes.

Now, if you have. Even intentionally wrong. Yeah. To some degree. That was the. the standard the founders talked about and we've covered that before

but like you know I don't want to minimize what some of these families have gone through oh my gosh no it's horrific I mean some of the people breaks for them who believe the Sandy Hook

conspiracy theories have done horrible things to these people and like if I was one of these parents and lost my six year old in a mass shooting I would be out I would be impossible

to understand how angry I would be and want to come after anybody I thought I could hold responsible. But like if Alex Jones comes out and he says, and by the way, this was not his main focus of his show as far as I know. He talked, I didn't, you know, he was a 9-11 conspiracy theorist. If he owes $965 million to the Sandy Hook victims, what is he owed to the 9-11 victims? Right.

But like he talked to about these things, I think sometimes, you know, I don't watch the show, listen to the show every day or anything. But like, forever. Ever, ever. I see clips, you know. But even the clips, like, I never thought of Alex Jones as the head conspirator about that particular story. He had guests on who said things. He did say things that were wrong that he's apologized for.

But the fact that someone in his audience who may or may not have heard this from Alex Jones, it's all over the internet. So you can get it from a million different sources, these conspiracy theories, and then may have gone and harassed one of these families. That person should be held responsible for those actions. Alex Jones. Not the person who you think they may have heard it from. Right. But here's the problem. The guy killed himself after he killed their children.

So they have no one to punish. They have nobody to punish. You got it. It's natural to want to punish somebody. And if you watch the parents when they got the verdict, nobody was celebrating like, aha, we're going to get rid of. Those people broke down and sobbed immediately.

You could see this was closure for them. But that doesn't make it. right. It just doesn't make it right. And it's not the right thing for a country that that has a First Amendment and encourages free speech. This is going to be very damaging. And it's the First Amendment for a reason. Right. Well, let me ask you that. I feel like if we go after, if we go after Alex Jones, don't we have a very, not us because we weren't affected by it, but don't the people that were riding the horses on the border, can they not sue the federal government for a billion dollars, which the government has a billion dollars?

Can't they sue because the DHS, what came out yesterday is we now know DHS and the border patrol sent an email to Mayorkas, an out of... before and he read it an hour before saying this these pictures are very misleading there weren't whipping or anything else an hour later he goes on television and says our entire nation saw horrifying images that don't reflect who we are who we aspire to or the integrity and value of our truly heroic personnel in the Department of Homeland Security then he started a investigation he investigated these guys harass these guys, Biden got on television. You want to talk about the power of somebody

saying something. Forget Alex Jones, the Department of Homeland Security and the president pointing you out with a picture saying you are despicable. Imagine what those families went through. And there's no recourse for them. Don't they, shouldn't these families sue Majorcan and the president for knowingly lying about them, smearing them, destroying their life, I think there's a really, I mean, you want to hold this up? You got to tell the truth all the time? Good.

Then we can sue the federal government. But that will never happen. That'll never happen. And they haven't even apologized for this. No. They're still investigating. Yeah. It's incredible.

Incredible. And they continue to do. at every single opportunity they have. Yeah. Nick Sandman, another good example of that. Now, he was able to sue certain entities, but he couldn't sue all the Democrats who came down on him.

All the Democrats like Joe Biden, who were protected from prosecution or from lawsuits like that. In the first place, you've got to get the permission of the federal government to sue the federal government. When's that ever going to come? That's a good system. It's a good system.

Good system. Works out really well for the federal government. When did that change? When did that change? Oh, that's been the case for a long time. I know, but I mean, that couldn't have been constitutional from the beginning. Oh, I'm sure not. There's no way. I don't know when that was instituted, but it's ludicrous. It's assonine.

And the president's, you know, pretty protected against any kind of lawsuit like that too while he's in office. We saw stuff like, you know, back when Harry Reid was alive and you go to the Senate floor and say things that were blatantly false about as political opponents like Mitt Romney has never paid his taxes. Right. And he can't get sued by that. I mean, if I were to say, you know, Glenn Beck has never paid his taxes and made a big state, stink about it and acted as sure as Harry Reid did, then I would, Glenn would sue me and he'd win.

Right. Right. But Senate and Congress are protected. They're protected. Not in their everyday private life. Right. But what if they're on the floor? Which is why he can say anything.

He knew he was lying, which he's later admitted. He knew he was lying. He knew if he said it in an interview, he gets sued for it. And his justification was, well, Mitt Romney didn't win, did he? Right. Yeah, well, let me tell you something. I like, today I like Harry Reid more than I like Mitt Romney. At least we knew who he was.

Mitt Romney is, you know, doing this thing where he's not supporting, he's not. I've never seen this before. I can't. I don't think it's ever happened. You have the junior senator of a state who won't endorse the senior senator. Because he's friends with both of them. I don't care who your friends are. Right.

So you're saying it will be, it's no big deal if you lose Mike Lee and you get a guy who is going to vote most times with the Democrats. Really? That's no big deal. Mitt Romney obviously just doesn't care about that. Oh, Mitt Romney is a, he is, I'm telling you, he is not going to win his reelection. He will not win re-election. convinced of man I hope that's true I hope that's true I convinced of it there's there's too many he's up in two years yes I'm gosh I mean mm-hmm now if you're assuming he

runs we I'd be interested in a wager on this I mean I'd be interested in a wager on it because I just don't you know what it's just like I will believe Lisa Murkowski loses when Lisa Murkowski loses that's the day I'll bet you $100 on that that Mitt Romney on Mitt Romney losing yeah Mitt Romney losing wait it's Mitt Romney you're supposed to say $10,000 I don't know. That's the bit Romney number. I'm not a betting man.

You know, I went to Vegas once. Put $5 on the table. They took it. I said that wasn't $5 worth of fun. I've never done it again. So you're a hundred bucks. 100 bucks. Mitt Romney.

Now, he has to run. Right. I mean, if he decides he's going to retire, that wouldn't. Yeah. And I'm not paying you and you're not paying me.

Right. It would be a push. Yeah. 100 bucks. 100 bucks. 100 bucks. He runs and he loses. And you know what?

It will be the best $100 I ever have to pay you. I will be thrilled to give it to you if you win. And I will gloat not because I'm taking your money, but because it's so damn sweet. This is the best of the Glenn Beck program. Okay. Can we play that very exciting new game called? Wait a minute.

Called. Does it have a? No shit, Sirlock. Yes, called. No, Sherlock. There are some really exciting things that are happening now. For instance, No, shtherlock.

Yeah, I was hoping the theme now. It's kind of, this is weird. Anyway, the White House has come out. I'm sleepy. I had a very long day yesterday. Can I, can I whine to you for a minute? Oh, sure. Yeah, no, I'm not going to.

The Biden administration yesterday came out and said, hey, they thought they'd let you know. We still don't have inflation. We're not really worried about it. but home heating costs are going to surge this. They don't know why. I mean, it's probably Putin, but you're going to expect to pay up to 20% more just to heat your home this winter.

Really? Because I didn't see that one coming at all. I mean. No, shit, Sherlock. Here's another one. Superman, son of Cal L. will end with issue number 18. But fans of Joe Kent do not need to worry.

Writer Tom Terry and artist Clayton Henry will be telling the new John Kent stories in the Adventures of Superman, John Kent. Taylor said, John? I'm not a superhero geek, but who is John Kent? Oh, John Kent is the gay Superman. I thought Superman was Clark Kent.

Yeah, well, this is John Kent, the other person that is also. Superman? Yeah, and he's gay. Wow. Yeah. Okay. Good for him. The writer who, remember when they came out with gay Superman? Yes, I didn't know they were all, it was a different person. I just thought they, they thought Clark just came out of the closet. No, no, no, no. His whole lowest

thing was misled. John Kent, it's very, anyway, the writer says, I couldn't be more excited for John Kent to headline the iconic Adventures of Superman. It's a real testament to the fantastic response of fans to John is Superman. This series is going to be the most action, books I've ever written. And John's going to be tested more than ever. I don't know tested for monkey pock. I'm not sure. But while we can tell you the Superman, Earth 2, Val Zod, and John's

nemesis Ultraman, will be key characters in the early part of Adventures of Superman. What we're going to reveal at the end of issue two will have everyone talking. Now, this has been out for a year. DC announced that Superman John Kent would come out as bisexual. Sorry, I thought he was gay, but he's not. He's bisexual. And he, the issue has, you know, a male love interest and it's really, really great. Now, the problem is,

um, nobody bought this Superman. Uh, wasn't, wasn't in the top 50 comic books when it first came out, so to speak, um, indicating what,

uh, what DC Comics says was less than satisfactory sales. Um, the series was only five. issues in when they're like, this isn't working. The comic is still not present in the top 50. And so they added something really special to John Kent. Not only is he bisexual, but he is also a climate change activist.

Oh, my God. Yeah. Why would he care about climate change? He can blow his cold breath and freeze things and also use his laser eyes to heat them. Well, this guy does more than the... This is Superman, man. Okay? This is Superman. He's got powers.

In one of the comic books, he was seen protesting and holding a sign up that said school strike for climate. So he is... This wasn't successful? This is not successful, which I... Who would have seen this comic? Who would have seen it coming? Not me. I'll tell you that right now. Not me. Now, a couple of things.

You know the guy who smashed up the Manhattan... McDonald's with an axe? Yes. You remember that? He comes in and he's like, I got an axe. And he starts, okay, I don't know what his problem was. And I don't know if that's an exact quote, but that's what I recall from the scene,

him in Manhattan, I got an axe and threatening a woman with it. Unleashed rage and a fast food establishment. Exactly right. Exactly right. Yes. Well, you know, he was let out. Immediately.

Immediately. I mean, he has already had an axe, threatening people into McDonald's. It's New York. Grow up. He's been busted again this time for graffiti and stealing a bicycle. So, which is not straight. It's by. So anyway.

Now there's another thing that's happening. A big mistake from the Soros-backed prosecutor in Virginia. And who would have seen? seen trouble. Soros-backed prosecutor in Virginia accidentally freed a murder suspect. He was charged with

murder. He apparently stabbed his brother's girlfriend to death. How many times does that happen to you? And then there was a mix-up and he was released. But they found out. They found him.

They found him. After he murdered somebody else. And so. Not as good. Yeah. Not quite suboptimal. Suboptimal. Yeah.

Then you've got the great video coming out of New York today, which I just love New York. Who doesn't I heart New York? You know what I mean? The whole song about it. Is it really? Yeah. Muggers have now gone to work as gay. in New York.

So people are out there. They're making friends. They're getting together. I hold a sense of community. That's exactly right. This community is wearing neon green full body suits. Yeah, like a green man. It's like a green man situation.

Well, I think they live in a green screen world where they're invisible. Maybe. Right. Okay. I don't know. That's not the case. That's not the case. They're fully visible, fully visible.

But they wear these green body suits. suits and they get, you know, caught and charged, and they're right back on the, right back on the street. So they're coming in a gang of neon green bodies. They look kind of like aliens. Three, four, five, six. Here's a picture of six of them on the subway. Then they rob.

They rob everybody on the subway. Then they run. Then because it's not a good disguise. Yeah. I was going to say, I mean, like, because I remember, what was it, point break where they had where they were robbing banks in the masks of former presidents of the United States, right? Yes, yes.

And so I can understand a criminal gang having a thing. Like, I'm not going to besmirch them of the right to have a thing. But, like, I think the limitation of a full body suit is how difficult it is to remove. Correct. So when you're running. But if you were actually in a green screen room, it's perfect disguise. Yeah, but you can just, you just stand there. Like, if I don't move, if you can't hear me, breathe.

He won't. If they were looking for you on cameras instead of in. Yeah, I mean. This isn't particularly well thought out, I guess is my point here. Hey, look, they probably went to an art school. Okay. They're not deep thinkers, but they learned a little something about green screens. They're creative.

Yeah, not enough about green screen technology. No. So anyway, so I think Kathy's going to do good job, Kathy, governor of New York. That's, yeah, that was a good decision. That was a good decision. There's a poll out from Trafalgar that has Kathy Hokel only up two points in her race. Only up two points. Now, shton, sir, life.

I really want to believe this poll. Yeah. Like, I desperately want to believe it. It's hard for me to believe, but I desperately want to believe it. My clausometer is going down. I need some election cheer coming from you. Oh, yeah? Yeah.

I need, I mean, I will say, that's pretty cheerful to see. a New York governor only up by two points and that's a Democrat but it is it's hard for me to believe. This one's going to make you happy. This one's going to make you happy too. You ready? George Soros has just reached into his giant bag of threaks.

Go ahead. Reach for it. Yes, feel your anger. Let the fast fall through you. He thinks his friends are going to save him now like Stacey Abrams. So he has had to reach into his additional money bag and pull out another one million dollars to help support

Stacey Abrams. You know, if at this point, when you have George Soros, you know, stand behind you, like, yes, go ahead. Yes, my minion, go out, give a speech. Tell them how last time it was stolen from you. When you have that guy on stage and everybody isn't like, Oh God, I don't think that's a good thing. I mean, how is it that the country is not really honestly?

This is an honest question. How were we not all looking at, you know, the evil emperor giving money to all of these prosecutors that were just letting criminals out? Did I tell you the story? about the murder in Virginia? Yeah. Letting these criminals out and now he's going into

Govina. Oh, Stacey Abrams, she's the best. You might want to... No, not that one. I was hoping for the other than... Yeah. You might want... Maybe...

Maybe America needs a movie theme track. You know, a soundtrack. Yeah, because I do think every Stacey Abrams speech should have Oh! Oh! Behind it. It does feel.

I feel like that's... He's just standing overhauled for her shoulder. He is my father. It's interesting to see this because America has rejected this. Right? It's not just conservatives that have rejected the defund the police schick.

Everybody thinks this is a terrible idea. Even Minnesota backed off of it after they said they were going to do it. And yet you have candidates who have like, who rose in that era and have found their way into these races like Mandela Barnes in Wisconsin, like Stacey Abrams in Georgia. And they're still there,

and none of them are performing particularly well, but it is a, maybe it would be a positive, if these candidates get defeated and get defeated handily, maybe the Democrats will bail on this philosophy a little bit. I don't know. They can bail on anything. But I mean, losing.

The only thing that moves Democrats is losing. The only thing that... No, they always have a win. You watch, there will be a way that they actually win when Stacey Abrams loses. Oh, she's going to say she won. I will say that will be the most fun. When all of these candidates claim these elections were stolen, it will be just so fun to watch them all do it on the same channels.

We have to make a list because we're doing election coverage on the blaze. Yeah. And it's going to be fun. It's going to be fun. It's going to be fun. We've got to wish it into existence. Yeah, we have lots of things. You're not going to find this election coverage anyplace else.

But we should make a list of those where we deserve to gloat. You know, when Stacey, we deserve some gloat time. Yeah. We do. We do. Herschel Walker, you see the latest? He's up again. Yeah.

And that's an internal poll. But it does show them up, which is good if you care about the control of the Senate. At this point, you know, I, I, I'm at the, at that point where now we're like, the control of the Senate is so important that these candidates, you know, they're not all my favorites.

I like Herschel Walker. He's been here. He was a very nice guy to us. I mean, I don't know him personally, but he was very nice when we talked to him. But like some of the candidates in these races, I don't particularly like all that much.

And I'm still like, please win. Yeah, I'm like, I'm like, whatever. I went and made a meatloaf and delivered it to Dr. Oz the other day. I'm like, Hey, neighbor. I love you.

I love you. So it really, I'm really at that. point because, you know, really, we talked about this a little bit on the election preview special we did on Glenn TV last night in that like we can't, we're not going to get all the laws we want past the next couple of years. Joe Biden or Kamala Harris is going to be present in the United States. And so the things that we might want to improve things are going to be very unlikely to occur in that time period when they can veto it. That being said,

there is a number one, the positive of being able to blow. block the worst instincts of Joe Biden. For instance, the next Supreme Court justice. Right. Huge. Huge, huge, huge, huge. Huge. Huge.

And secondarily, we talked with Steve Dase about this, who has a bit more optimism. He's got a lot. A lot of optimism. I'm thinking about kicking you out for the next couple of weeks. That's what everyone always wants to do. But then, you know, at the end of the day. Yeah, well, I just want to feel good right now. Okay, that's fine.

So he's saying he thinks maybe 54 seats for Republicans, which is not, it's not crazy. He's not like saying, oh, I think they're going to win in New York. you know, Chuck Schumer's going to be defeated. He's not saying any of that. He's taking the toss-up races and putting in the Republican category. Maybe a couple that are lean left a little bit in the polls, but he's thinking, you know, they're going to come through and even get to 54 seats. The reason why I say, from a positive standpoint that that's important,

is because of the way the Senate breaks. This Senate breaks as a 3629 Democrat advantage before this even starts. This is the president. best of the Glenn Beck program. Hey, on October 29th, we are having a virtual event and we would like you to join us. This year has been an amazing year for Mercury 1. We have continued our help in Detroit by rebuilding roofs there. We've helped around the world, helping those, you know, on the ground in Ukraine.

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indigenous peoples, don't want the federal government to take this land. Well, this is happening all over the country. And there's an organization called the Blue Ribbon Coalition that is fighting against these land grabs and the executive director is Ben Burr. He joins me now. Hello, Ben. How are you? I'm doing great, Glenn. Thanks for having me. So there's a couple of things. One is in Colorado. One is in Utah. Can we start with a, what is it the big barriers or the barriers monument? What is that one? Yeah, so they call it the Bears National Monument. It's south of eastern Utah. It's 1.3 million acres.

of land they decided to designate as a national monument under the Antiquities Act. Okay, so when it's a national monument, that would be like for a battlefield or would that include historic sites? How do you define a national monument? What is the definition of that? Well, the Antiquities Act is very clear. It was enacted to protect Native American archeological. cultural sites. There was a period of time in the early 1900s where you did have people looting these sites. And so they enacted to protect these very limited, discrete sites. And when they passed

the law, they said it needs to be designated to the smallest area compatible to protect the actual object, which is situated on a landscape. Fast forward to nowadays, and with the strength of the environmental movement, they've decided that a landscape can be an object situated on a landscape. And so they say the whole landscape is of important, significant value. So we're going to designate something that's bigger than some states to be a new national monument. And then we've been in the meetings on this. When they put the plans in place, they just restrict all forms of activity. They close all the roads. If you are a rancher or somebody with a mining claim, which is a property rider, one of the partners with us on this case was a Native American woman

who own private property and holdings within the monument. Like all of your rights to access those lands, whether they're private property or the other permitted uses, all become heavily restricted as what we've seen. So that's why we have challenged this monument, the Biden expansion. We've challenged it in court. We joined the state of Utah and doing it.

We've seen strong signals coming from the Supreme Court that they have concerns that the Antiquities Act is being, abused. And we hope to see the Supreme Court finally reign in what I think has been decades of abuse of this ancient little law that was designed to fix a really small problem. Okay. And so they did it again just, what was it, last week in Colorado, President Biden. It was yesterday. Is that one the one where he was talking about his son? Yeah, that was in Colorado, wasn't it? Where he gave the speech and he's like, my son and won the bronze star and died in Iraq. No, dude, no.

But anyway, he was designating this yesterday. That's another 53,000 acres. And he's claiming that land, how? Oh, so there's an old military base. It's Camp Hale in Colorado, and that's where the 10th Mountain Division went to train during World War II. So there is historical significance there.

It's questions about whether that still qualifies under the Antiquities Act. but that base is like 2.4 square miles in size. If we were to designate that as a national monument, there is a size. We could say, you know what, 2.4 miles is the smallest area compatible, but you always get this scope creep where they add in, well, the surrounding landscape is also valuable.

And in this case, they also withdrew 200,000 acres from mineral entry, which means you can no longer, the lands are no longer open for filing mining claims. And so that is how this turns into a big land grab. And if you think about that for a second, Glenn, this is like a day after we announced we're cutting off semiconductor exports to China. Well, where do we get all of our rare earth minerals now? From the ground, but we won't dig for it. But we won't dig for them here. We're removing all of our land from exploration and utilization.

There are things like these national monuments, things like the. 30 by 30 agenda. And my group, I mean, we're focused primarily on the recreation access to these public lands, but all of this happens in a bigger context of what makes us a strong nation. How does the land become a base of our economic strength and national defense strength? Right. And the recreation value is hugely important. That's become a major economic contributor to all these rural communities.

And when you enact these monuments, it just throws everything out of whack. You disenfranchise local governments from being able to manage what's going on in their counties and states. And that's why the state of Utah is opposed to this. And so our point was to try and bring the actual voices of the folks that are hurt by these designations. So our case includes the recreation users. There's a rancher with a grazing allotment that's part of our case. We have a mining claim owner and a Native American private property endholder, all of whom will be devastated.

by this National Monument designation, especially as we're seeing what their proposed plans are for it. I have to tell you, I want you to, not you, Ben, because you have other things to do, and I'm sure you know this story. But I want you to look at the front of 30 Rockefeller Center. Just Google search it for a picture, the Avenue of the Americas side of 30 Rock. When you look at it, you will notice that there are two 1800s buildings in this beautiful, collection of 12 blocks, 12 New York blocks, and it's all highly art deco. And there on the jewel of the crown, 30 Rock, there are these two buildings that are from the 1800s. Most people walk by them and never ask, why were those two buildings left?

because Rockefeller bought up 12 blocks and had to negotiate with each house, each apartment building, everything, he had to negotiate him individually. There were two, one guy who, because he said, this is my family, he's an Irish bar. My family started this in the 1800s. Prohibition's going to end, and I am not selling my family bar. The other guy was greedy and was just holding out and holding out to the point where Rockefeller said, screw you, just build around. You couldn't take those things.

You can't just take them. Property is property. You people own that property and quite honestly federal government. States own the lands in the states. Not you. This is so critically important. What is the fight? How can we join you on your fight, Ben?

No, so I agree with you 100% on that. That is exactly the basis of the claims of these ranchers and the mining claim owners. This is a private property taking to come in here and do this. And what they'll say is that we're worth protecting the valid existing rights. But if you're a mining claim owner, the next thing you get in the mail is, by the way, here's a new regulations you have to follow that will cost you a million dollars to comply with. Right. That's a nice little mining claim you've got there. And I've worked on cases, Glenn, as a private consultant before doing this.

job where I've seen private property owners with homes and cabins that the BLM is saying you can no longer access your home because a road washed out and we're not going to do the environmental studies to rebuild it. And it is just completely backwards and wrong and we have to, the private property right is the basis of what makes America work. And so our organization is called Blue Ribbon Coalition. You can go to our website is sharetrails.org. When you go there, you'll see on our homepage we have a project called the Fight for Every Inch campaign.

This is our effort to push back against the 30 by 30 initiative and all of these things like the national monuments where our natural resources and our land is just being stolen from us through in many cases, unaccountable executive action. By the way, 30 by 30 is part of the Great Reset and the UN Agenda, Agenda 2030. it is a really evil and it's happening everywhere and nobody's paying attention to it. And there's no law for it. There's like not Congress ever said, you know what? This is what we're going to do. Yep. You just had some really slick marketers say this is a good idea.

Yep. An executive order later, it's like now this is the official policy of the United States. Yeah. How they're acting. It's really, really bad. So can we, how can we help you? Do you need people? What?

We need supporters. Anybody who cares about these. fighting the administrative state, and these unconstitutional land graphs needs to be a member of Blue Ribbon Coalition. We're one of the few groups that is in litigation all the time against the environmental groups, and we have a legal fund. If people could donate to our legal fund, incredibly helpful. That's the only thing holding us back, I think, and I think we've got a good team and good connections and a good experience with who we've got working for. Where do your – quickly – I'm running out of time.

Where do your senators stand, Mike Lee and Mitt Romney? All the Utah delegation is supportive of the state of Utah's lawsuit against the Biden designations in Utah. And there's been a pretty consistent voice among elected leaders in Utah against these National Monument designations. When – after the Trump moved to shrink the boundaries happened, you kind of had some discussions about what the Congress do to make permanent and things fell apart. I was working for Mike Lee at the time. I know he was pushing really hard to get Utah exempt from the Antiquities Act like Wyoming and Alaska are. Yeah.

Okay. It's another completely weird question. Why do two states operate differently under federal law than all the other states? Yeah. Yeah. Like, good. Ben, thank you so much for all the work you're doing. It is really important.

this is not just the one state. This is the West, and this eventually will become your land all across America. It's got to stop. Yeah, and what the owners of the, those who live in the West know, the rest of the country figured out under COVID. Imagine, like, we finally found out what the administrative state is capable of under Fauci. That's been this history of the West since the 70s. Right. And it's got to stop.

Ben, thank you very much. Blue Ribbon Coalition Executive Director. The website is sharetrails.org. That's share trails.org.