The Glenn Beck Program - Best of the Program | Guest: Bill Cloud | 4/17/24

Episode Date: April 17, 2024

NPR has punished whistleblower Uri Berliner for calling out the network’s leftist bias. But that bias is actually worse than we thought. Glenn and Stu have some advice for the “Free Palestine” protesters who blocked bridges and airports: Everybody hates you MORE now. For some reason, Florida doesn’t have this issue with protesters … what could the difference be?! Will Israel actually sacrifice a red heifer this Passover, what would happen next, and is it a sign of the end times? Shoreshim Ministries founder Bill Cloud joins to explain. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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one of the best sports segments, of all time. Glenn Beck Talks, You were on fire, actually, on that segment. That was actually really good. Because it wasn't about sports. It's all about common sense. Right.

It's all about common sense. So we'll talk about, we'll talk about sports. I'd like to tell you who the stories are about, but I don't remember his name or her name. One's a basketball player. One's a baseball player. Baseball player. So, yeah, I guess they're both in the news now.

But also, we're going to talk about something else that's in the news that nobody's talking about. And that is the promise to sacrifice a red heifer, the 10th red heifer, in Israel in the next few days. Whether it happens or not, we don't know. We've seen the altar that has been built. But whether this is true or not, they say the sacrifice of the 10th red heifer is the one that begins the Messianic era, whether that happens or not, it doesn't really matter

because if it does happen, if they do sacrifice this red heifer, the Middle East will melt down. We have that and so much more on today's program. You're listening to the best of the Glenn Beck program. So I don't know if you saw this. Do you remember the guy who, Yuri Berliner,

who came out and wrote that article about NPR. It's a fascinating story. Yes, I do remember. Fascinating, right? With a free press. Barry Weiss's free press. Yeah. And he came out and he said, you know, we have lost our journalistic integrity at NPR. And he still works there. Well, he worked there. Incredible. Unbelievable. He's a senior business editor at NPR. He said that the liberal bias had tainted its coverage of important stories that we've always leaned liberal. He said, but we've lost our way on journalistic integrity. So NPR has suspended him.

Incredible. Yeah. It's funny, with all this talk of tolerance, they couldn't tolerate one single person who said they were too liberal. Well, he didn't ask permission to say bad things. That's fine, especially from NPR. You know, there's that whole ombudsman tradition. Yes, right?

Where like you're supposed to be able to take this criticism. Yes. Like, even though most businesses, like, if I was working at McDonald's or, you know, I'm working at Burger King, I wouldn't want my employees being out there saying negative things about my hamburgers. But like, there's a tradition in journalism that you're supposed to have the freedom of speech, freedom of the press, these things combining together into one to give employees who really see a problem and okay to speak out.

Well, this is the only press thing that you could say, freedom of. of the press because they were fired from the inside, but these are government employees. This is all funded by the United States government and people like you. Not like me. I don't like those people. I've never given them a dime. Yeah, I don't really want to even talk to those people. I don't know who those people are.

The Herb and Emily Schmiminitz Foundation. You don't like them? Really? Yes. Yeah, no. Herb is really not a good guy. You like herb? No, I don't.

I don't. It's not Herb, by the way. It's herb. Herb and Emily Schminton. The Schmimimitts themselves are good, but I digress. So anyway, he came out and it was published and the new chief executive, Kathleen Marr, came under new scrutiny because, you know, she's been an activist for a long time. So people start going through her stuff, series of year old social media posts criticizing President Donald J. Terump and embracing progressive causes. Okay.

NPR said that's unfair. Unfair. Oh my gosh. That was unfair because her social media posts were written long before she was named chief executive at NPR. And that she wasn't working in the news industry at the time. NPR said also that while she managed the business side of a nonprofit, she was not involved in its editorial process. And she said in a statement in America,

Everyone's entitled to free speech as a private citizen. And you're absolutely right. You're absolutely right. But doesn't that go? If they hired this person with outrageous tweets showing her unbelievable progressive bent and hatred for Donald Trump. To a comical level, by the way. What do you? The tweets are legitimately like parodies of liberals.

Like they're so over the top. At one point, she says, you know, I love Hillary Clinton, but I really. wish she would stop using the terms boy and girl because they are very, I can't remember basically like sexist. Sexes. Yeah, but yeah, like making people who are, don't fit into one of those neat categories. They make them feel bad. And it's like, exclusionary.

I might have been the word she used. Like it was something like that. And it's like, that is like, if Saturday Night Live was funny, that would be the joke they would make. Correct. Right. Like don't call girls and boys. You can't use those terms.

She was the one using them. She was this, and this is like 2018 and 19, before it was cool. So she's very, very left wing. Insanely. If she is the head of the network, well, then you could imagine who she hired and what her principles and practices are. Several NPR employees have urged the network leaders to more forcefully renounce Mr. Berliner's claims in his essay.

Edith Chapman, NPR's top editor, said in a statement last week that managers strongly disagree with his assessment of the quality of our journalism, adding the network is proud to stand behind its work. Some employees have begun to speak out. Tony Kavan, NPR's managing editor for standards and practices. Well, they have that. Took issue with many of Mr. Berliner's claims in an interview with the Times on Tuesday, saying Mr. Berliner's essay mischaracterized NPR's coverage of crucial stories. He said NPR's coverage of COVID-19, One of the lines of reporting that Mr. Berliner criticized was in step with reporting from other mainstream news organizations at the time. Yeah, we said they all sucked.

Right. Right. The fact that you copied the other people who suck is nothing you should be bragging about. May I just, may I just point out, NPR, if everyone was jumping off a bridge, does it make it right for you to jump off a bridge? I mean, what? Like, they're saying, what? We're just doing whatever else is doing. Right.

I was just following orders. Yeah, no, that doesn't work out well. It's kind of where it was. Our accusation at the time was all you guys are doing this group think thing where you're not actually considering the facts of these situations and all the other considerations like personal liberty that should factor into these decisions. And we said, all of you were doing it. And their defense is, yeah, but all of us were doing it.

I know. I know. It's crazy. He also defended NPR's coverage of the Russian interference. I love this one in the 2016 U.S. election. Another area, Mr. Berliner, focused on noting that Robert Mueller, the special counsel investigating the issue, concluded that Russian state actors had made attempts to sway the election. Well, yes, they did make attempts to sway the election. That's not Donald Trump.

Right. That's not the tone of the coverage. No. We talked about this endlessly that yes, Russia was trying to cause chaos. here. Of course, Russia is. That's true. We were saying it before it was cool to say it. Right. But we also said, wait a minute, you think Donald

Trump is a Russian agent since 1984? Remember they were saying things like that at the time? And I don't know that that one was NPR. That was somebody else. But still, this is the tone of the coverage. And again, their defense is, well, we were all doing it.

Like, you know, I was going to go down and expand your analogy and I have rethinking it right now. So I'm going to go on that reverse ground and instead say the media is doing a bad job. Right. We're all following orders here. Mr.

Kevin also pointed out that NPR had no way to verify early articles about Hunter Biden's laptop. Oh my gosh. Oh, you had plenty of ways to verify. You had plenty. They have no contacts within the FBI, Glenn.

The NPR, no. None. They couldn't have tried it. The FBI is on the phone with everybody lying to you again. The same people that lied to you before are lying to you again. And you're like, I got this liar on the phone who's been lying to us the whole time. And, you know, we've, we've been stuck out by him several times. But he says it's absolutely a plant. Oh, well, then we've got to stop investigating everything.

We're not even going to bring it up on NPR because we don't, we don't repeat lies. It's incredible. I mean, and because of their irrelevance at some level, NPR gets a pass on their coverage of that. A lot of times we will bring up, we're guilty of this saying, oh, the New York Times didn't do this and the Washington Post didn't do this. And it's true. However, NPR was probably the worst.

They were literally mocking the idea that the Hunter Biden laptop could possibly be true. And they've never come back and said, here's how we failed. Instead, they say, well, everybody else was doing it. Yeah. And now they're suspending the people that pointed it out. Yeah. Like it's, it's the exact... I was just wearing my party pen.

That's all. No, no. You don't need to expand. I'm just... It was a nice... It was a focused point. I've rethought expanding the analogy. Why wouldn't you?

We're all doing it, Glenn. So, but my point here is I think NPR escaped a lot of the worst of the criticism when they deserved the worst. And then when they get the criticism from their own ranks, they just suspend the guy. I mean, it's comical. It's comical. It's like these organizations don't even attempt

to hide it anymore, Glenn. And I think that is, you can just say there's been liberal bias forever. And of course that's true. But the change has been the fact that they don't even try to hide it anymore. They don't even attempt. It's not anything that they don't hide it.

It's as if they don't see it. They are so... It's hard to believe. They are so part of Big Brother's plan that they don't even understand. understand that they're part of the ministry of truth. It's just, I mean, it is incredible. It's not that they're not hiding it.

They don't see it anymore. They don't see what's right in front of their face. And they don't want to. It doesn't seem like they do. I mean, as soon as it's pointed out to them, they just run from it. And this is like, you know, you can make mistakes. I don't, and I may be out on a limb on this on talk radio, but like, I don't think it was crazy to be skeptical of the Hunter Biden laptop story. It's in a freaking bonkers story.

The son of the president dropped off his laptop at a blind guy's repair shop and left it there. I mean, I can understand being skeptical of that story. I believe we were skeptical on day one. We were like, come on, this is too good to be true. I remember thinking, I think the laptop is, it's, there was enough there for me to think it might have been real, but I was very skeptical of the story of how they came across it. Correct. It felt like maybe someone inside the Biden came to the household campaign, like leaked it to them all something. Kind of like the diary.

Right, yeah. Like it seemed like some other chain of custody, if you will. But like, look, the son of the president got so coked up. He dropped his laptop with all of his prostitute and drug pictures. pictures off at a blind guy's repair shop who then got it to Rudy Giuliani eight days before the election. There is a reason to be skeptical of that story. That is completely insane. However, it is your job, especially when the nation's oldest newspaper is the one reporting it as fact. It is your job to go in there and take it seriously and try to figure out what the hell is

going on. No, not if you have somebody from the government who has been known to lie to. you over and over and over and over again and been wrong over and over and over again. It's you can't continue. You've got to take that liar's word for it because this time he might be telling the truth. Right. I mean, that's, that is their logic. That is their logic. I know this guy has stuck us out over and over and over again, but maybe this time he's

right and this time we got him. Yeah. That's the part that does surprise me a little bit because I'm not surprised they're going to favor left wing ideals. I'm not surprised they're going to be liberals. I'm not surprised at any of that. I am surprised that when these people come and progressives. Thank you.

But I am surprised when you put yourself out on a limb to say this person's telling us the truth, it backfires in your face and you don't get angry. But right now there's no consequence. I guess there's no backfire. There's no, there's, I mean, has anybody's Pulitzer Prize been taken away? I've been handing them out just as my. Much, it seems like. Right.

Nobody's, nobody for the, the Russiagate stories that the New York Times, I think they still have their Pulitzer Prize for it. So there is no consequence. Yeah. Yet there will be at some point. There is actually in your ratings and your revenues. But there's no consequence yet from the industry, from the people you care about, I'm still getting the award.

That's true. And there are, and there will, there are consequences that come down the road eventually. Yeah. Mainly in the eternal resting place. Are you saying they're all going to hell? I mean, who am I to judge? Yeah. But yes.

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Patreon. Now back to the podcast. All right. So we were talking about the Palestinians that are, well, let's show them again. Here they are on the Golden Gate Bridge, hassling people who are getting out of their car and they're like, I'm just trying to get home. Okay, so surrounding a guy in a way that is borderline illegal.

I mean, you have to let people pass, right? Like, certainly the blocking of the road is illegal, but you're surrounding an individual. But that can escalate. Is anybody, then where are the police? Where are the police? If it's illegal, where are the police? They should have them stationed at the bridge.

There should be bridge police. Right. Like when you know these things are going on, you get police there and remove these people immediately. Immediately. And you push. Oh, what a surprise. That's what's happening in Florida.

And you what? I heard the word push. You know, again, that was another sentence. That was an edited sentence. Okay. You heard the editing in real time. I'm just thinking. Of your, the location of where you are is at a top of a bridge.

And that's, I had a thought. And I stopped hearing the thought. Here are these protesters in Chicago blocking the way to Chicago O'Hare. And, oh, they got the drums too, so it's even better. Even more annoying. Yeah. And people are just getting out of their cars. And they are just walking in the median, dragging their suitcases behind them.

I hate them. All I'd want to do is support. real. Yeah. Like, the rest of my days would be spent giving money to just the IDF directly. You know what? There should be that. They should do that.

They should have IDF soldiers. Just with Venmo scans. Just standing there. Want to give to us? Yeah. Want to give to us? Yeah. So anyway.

That's a great fundraising tool. It is. It is. So we were talking about it. And then Stu revealed something that I, that I had never heard before that happened on the train as he went. from the New Jersey side to Manhattan every day, an hour and a half,

he would take a train to go do the show there. And now we work there for five, six years, something like that, yeah. And I've never heard this story, which is when you hear the story, not kind of interesting that I never heard it. Because it, I mean, it wasn't a story. It happened often.

I would say between four to six months, you'd be on the train commute and you're going, you know, 80 miles an hour or 70 miles an hour down the train, you know, and you're mindlessly staring at your laptop with all sorts of weird smells of cultures you don't recognize all around you.

Oh man, what a... Wafting through your nostrils. And all of a sudden, the train would stop and you just roll your... Oh, no, what's going on now? And you don't know what it is. It could be a stupid delay in the tracks. There could be traffic.

There could be a technical issue. There's all these different things it could be. and some of them mean you stop for two minutes and they keep moving. Some of them mean it could be hours. And then you get the news filters its way down the train car to train car. And you find out that no, this time, it's one of those times where someone has decided they want to kill themselves and have jumped out in front of the train have killed themselves. Now the train is stopped. We cannot move because the police have to come and investigate this person who's killed themselves.

Now, I just want to point out. I just want to point out. This is a different. Anybody wants to know what it's like living in New York City. Right there. And it's not that story. It's the fact that he never once came in to work and said, oh, geez, man.

The worst thing happened. The worst thing happened. Somebody killed themselves. He would be late and he would just say trains. Yeah. That's all he would say. Trains. He would never say somebody,

jumped in front of our train and killed themselves. You wonder why some of the people in the media are dead inside. This is part of it. It really is. Like just living in that city, it makes you have all sorts of calculations of like, hey, hey, this person who is obviously mentally ill and probably is going to go murder someone who started abusing some woman on the train. Rats crawled on over my leg on the way in. Like you have all these weird things that you do and you justify as normal living in this place. And that was one of the things. And by the way, the reaction was never like a solemn, oh my gosh, what was that person going

through? And I started thinking about that in the concept of the conversation about the Palestinian protesters because the conversation of the people in the cars is not, gosh, maybe the Palestinians have a point here. Maybe Gaza really does need to be free. It's like, these people are the worst people on earth. I hate their cause. I hate everything about them.

I want to get home. and when we were on the train, that was the same thing. Like, all right, the body can't still be on the tracks, right? Like, let's just keep going and we'll tell the police where it was. They can come look at it. Is this a new thing? Or when people were crossing the mountains, you know, with the wagon trains and poor old Jebediah, you know, drop dead halfway through. Sure.

Were there people in the wagon train where they're like, it's Jebidae, it's going to die anyway. Let's keep going. Right. Let's keep going. And everybody was like, no, we've got to stop and pray and bury him properly. Were there people that were like, come on? Oh, they're like, you know, I mean, look, Jebediah's six-year-old daughter died a few miles back, and he was fine leaving her behind.

It would be what Jebediah wanted for us to keep rolling through the mountains. He wanted us to get to the other side quickly before the snow came. I think this is a rather modern thing. Maybe it's not. It's cold and it's, you know, it is a, it's somewhat cold, but it's also somewhat understandable, I will say, in the moment. Like, because you look, you're living your life. And like, you know what? It felt like, I'll be honest with you, on the train, it felt selfish. It was like, you, you could have jumped off a bridge. And no one, and it would have been, it would have been sad for the family the same way.

It would have been sad for you the same way, but it wouldn't have stopped us from getting home to see our families. And that is how I know it sounds really cold and dark, but that's how every person on the train thought about it. Okay. So now I have a worse story than you that I've never told you. Okay. And this happened probably 20 years ago. And there's been a lot of shame on this story. Really? Yeah. I felt bad about it. Well, not so bad. But I felt bad enough to not share the story. Okay. because I was, I mean, I think I was just surrounded by monsters.

It wasn't me. It was the other monsters. It was the other people there. Sure. Sure. They're the bad ones. So my wife and I, we were in Brussels or some Godforsaken place over in Europe. And we're over there.

And we didn't have the best of times. And we were flying back. And the plane was really late. And I'm like, and we're. We're landing in New York City, so that doesn't make, you know, it's not like, hey, you got a prize at the end. And it's direct from Brussels to New York. Direct from Brussels to New York. So you know there's probably all those Frenchy French politicians, Europeans on board.

So you don't want to talk to anybody anyway. So we're sitting there. And I just keep seeing, you know, they show you the little airplane and you're like, oh, look, it's only 14 million hours before we. we get home. And so I'm calculating in my head by the time we get out of traffic and we get it's going to, it's going to be like 4 a.m. by the time we get home and I got to be at work at six. And we are flying over London. We get past London and we hear, boom, is there a doctor on board? Oh, oh, boy. That's never a good sign. Is there a pilot on board? It's better than that one. Yes, it is. Yes, it is. Okay. So is there a doctor on board. Okay. So everybody starts looking around. And I see this guy,

about three seats behind us. And the stewardesses are all around him. And he's clearly dead. So there was no, was there a struggle? I think he had a heart attack, you know, and just kind of like, you know, went down. And, uh, yeah. And so a doctor comes and this, doing the chest compressions and everything. They're not bringing him back, okay? He's dead. They ask everybody in the row to move. All the people in the row are all standing there.

Now, they're in business class, okay? Mm-hmm. And I understand, you know, you've got to lay him down flat and you're going to try to, but he's dead, okay? Right, right. He doesn't care if he sits in the back row. You know, you can't. He has the seats back, you know what I mean?

He's dead. Right. He's dead. Like he doesn't care about the bathroom smell. No. No. He doesn't care. Doesn't care. It's true.

All right. But they ask everybody else in that row to move. And I start feeling bad for the people and the rest of the... But you're not feeling bad for the dead guy. You're feeling bad for the people in the row. I'm like, wow, they paid a lot of money for that. And they're going to go back sitting the last row with bathrooms. Wow.

And then I hear... Bing. Oh, this is your captain. We've had a incident on board, nothing to worry about. But it looks like we'll be heading back to London to land. Now, you have a choice at that point. You have a choice. You have a choice of, well, he's dead and we should get him to a morgue or whatever as soon as we can.

And then there's the other choice. He's dead. There's 500 of us up here that are not. dead and have to continue on with our lives. Okay. Now, I don't want to sound completely callous because my wife was next to me. We prayed for him and we prayed for his family. Not to say my heart was entirely in it at the time.

I might have added and please don't turn the plane around. But so they didn't, they're flying and we're thinking, oh, come, you'll, I mean, what are the odds? He took off in Brussels. He's landing in New York. The chance that he's from London... Oh, it's like 0%. So why lock his body up in a third country and then have to worry? Wait a minute.

Seems like you're rationalizing a little bit. Why would you do that? And so then finally, you know, it goes on. And we're getting further and further away from London. We're over the Atlantic now. And I know they're looking and, you know, they got a tape measure out or whatever they do up front. And they're like, which is... Is it closer to London or should we go all over?

Yeah, it's all tape measure. It's all done by tape measure. And so they find it, Bing. Ladies and gentlemen, we have decided that we are indeed going to land in New York. We're not turning back to London. And a cheer went up. Wait, the crowd cheered?

Crowd cheered. It seems a little cold. Did you cheer? Oh, no, that would have been wrong. Oh, okay. I mean, not outwardly. Right. Okay.

You know, not outwardly. And it would have been a little worth. I'm not sure they could have seen his body as clearly as I could. So these people are in the back, the peons who could not afford business class are in the back. Sure. They're cheering. They're cheering. But I would expect that.

That's why you keep a curtain between those people and the business class. We might be thinking the same thing, but we're certainly not going to outwardly. Now, was there a thought? Because they're cheering. They don't know this person's dead. They just heard there's an incident and we're going to keep going. Well, they don't necessarily know. It's spread. It's kind of like the train.

So you're not giving them any exemption here. No, it's spread. We all knew what was going on. Now that's pretty dark because you were like, you were thinking about where you're going to land. Right. Which is. And that's why I said for 20 years I haven't said this out loud. I admit. It's a little, it's shameful.

Instead of thinking of the dead person and their family, you were thinking about how do I get home faster? And like, yes, of course we can just transport this carcass all the way to New York City. Right. And the odds are his family's there. That's a justification. I'm not going to give you any points for that. You just thought about afterward. Okay.

It's probably a good shot. Was there a moment? And this is going to be tough to be honest on, but I'm going to ask you anyway. Was there a moment that you thought, you know, we're in business class. Like, should the body be with the coach people? Was there a moment you thought of that? No. No.

Okay, good. No, but I did think the body should be with the coach people, not because they're in coach, but because the other people paid for those seats and now they're sitting back by the bathrooms and that's just not right. He's dead. He's dead. He doesn't care. He's dead. I'm not saying treat him with disrespect but he took up a whole row.

A business class. Business class. I mean, he took up a whole row. That wasn't right. That just wasn't right. I mean, I feel like if you're already in one of the back rows of coach, you've kind of made a deal you might be next to a corpse. I feel like that's part of the ticket. You know, like when you do that, they're like, there might be a corpse next to you.

A lot of times they treat you like that. You know, it's like, shut up, dead man. You kind of feel that way. Here, you want some nuts. Here's a bag of nuts. So, now I'm only bringing this up. This feels in hopes that people who are shutting down the bridges and the highways to the airports for whatever God-forsaken thing. I really don't care.

I don't care if you're like, Jesus loves us and you've got the drum and you're like, Jesus loves everybody, Jesus loves everybody. If you stop people going to the airport, if you stop people from going home after a hard night, nobody's going to hear that. Nobody. Nobody's going to listen. And how do I know? Because I've been on a plane with 500 people that cheered when we weren't going to drop the dead guy off. It's sad that you brought this story up after the finale of Curb Your Enthusiasm, because it would have made a great episode of that show. That would have been incredible. I did feel a little like Larry David.

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I'm doing well. How are you today? Very good. It's good to have you on again. So, good to be here. Tell me the red heifer thing. I heard back in the 90s, I think it was.

People were talking about the red heifer that, you know, they're rare, but I think there was a, I think it was an American farmer. maybe Florida, I'm not, I can't remember, that had a bunch of red heifers and the sent him over to Israel. Is that right? Yeah, I think the, it was from Mississippi was the farmer. Anyway, I don't remember that. But anyway, it was back in the late 90s, 97.

And there was one red heifer. They even named her Melody. And I think they put her on the cover of Newsweek or time or something like that. But anyway, you know, it created a big stir about the red heifer and red heifer is connected to the idea of the possibility of a rebuilt temple. And so, yeah, there was a lot of chatter back as far back as the late 90s. Okay, so there's been nine red heifers that have been sacrificed since Moses, and that's to purify the temple?

Well, the red heifer is basically, thematically, it's the antidote for the golden calf. The golden calf is, you know, about rebellion, death. Moses has that ground into powder, mixes it with water, people drink it, that identifies who's guilty, death. The red heifer, it's burned, the ashes are collected, it's mixed with spring water or pure water, and then those who have been contaminated, and particularly with contact with something that is dead, you're purified and you're cleansed ceremonially. And so the idea is that you can approach God, where before with the golden calf,

I'm not going to go with these people. If I go with them, I'll have to kill them. They're so stubborn, but then he made allowances. And so it is for ceremonial cleansing in order to approach God. So that's important in relation to the rebuilding of a temple because they don't have a temple at this point. Religious Jews see the temple as the manifestation of God's presence on earth. They want to be able to approach God in that regard. And so the ashes of a red heifer with the waters of purification are essential if things are going to be cleansed, the Temple Mount, all the utensils, all the implements that go into the sanctuary and the people who go up to the Temple Mount.

Okay. So in a nutshell. In, I think it was on the 100th day anniversary of October 7th, Hamas came out and they talked about really the red heifer and said that the Jews are going to start. purifying the temple mount and you know this is an act of war and they knew exactly what the red heifer meant but we've had a red heifer before why have we not why did they not use that red heifer and make that to 10th and why is this one supposedly the 10th well the one that referred to from 97 you know they were watching it but it actually grew some hairs that were you know, for different color because this red heifer has to be entirely red.

There can't be hairs of a different color, which is, you know, why it would make it so rare. Right. So my understanding is at this point, among these red heifers, they feel like they have some that are still qualified, you know, that would be eligible to be, you know, slaughtered and burned, et cetera. So, yeah, as far as the Muslim world, and particularly, you know, the likes of Hamas and Hezbollah and people like that, that's going to get them up in arms. And so that's, I would say that that's what makes it a little different, is that they're reportedly among these red herders, some that they feel are qualified to be slaughtered

for that purpose. And they've already built the ramp, I guess, to the altar, and they've built an altar, which I don't know if that's been done before. and they're claiming that before the Passover, somewhere, you know, around this time, that they're going to slaughter the heifer and burn the heifer ceremonially, correct? Well, from what I understand, well, let me backtrack just a minute. An altar, there were people who had built, quote, unquote, altars in times past,

to make a statement, a political statement. I mean, 67, religious Jews have been pushing to rebuild the temple. In 1990, I was in Jerusalem at the Western Wall, and a group that wants to see the temple rebuilt came in with what they said was going to be the cornerstone of the temple. And it was symbolic. It was a protest. It was saying, hey, we're here. We're going to push for this.

So through the years, there have been different things that have happened. And it seems to me it's particularly around the time of Passover when you hear all this chatter, and also in the fall feast around the Feast of Tavernacles. So as far as this altar, I've heard rumors. I haven't seen anything that's absolutely verified. But here's the issue. If a group of people have red peppers and even goes so far as to slaughter it and burn the ashes, is that going to be accepted by the greater religious community?

That's uncertain, frankly. Yeah, because who has the authority to do it? Well, that's just it. You know, it's entirely possible, and I want to underscore that word possible, that the group that is pushing this right now who have these heifers, if there is one that they deem to be qualified to be slaughtered and burned, okay, so they do that. Is the greater religious community going to regard that and accept that here's another issue? What about the Israeli government? I tend to think they're going to frown very much. Yeah, very much so.

You could have ashes. They could do it. They could have ashes that are just sitting there. Point being is just because you have a red heifer, and I'm not saying that's unimportant, but just because you have a red heifer, and even if they burn it, which is when I'll perk up and take notice,

even then if you have the ashes, that doesn't necessarily mean that you're going to start next week in rebuilding the temple. Right. Because if they burn a red heifer, Glenn, everybody's going to hear about it. including the Muslim world, including the Israeli government. It's going to, that would be a provocation.

Now, one day it's going to happen. But is it now? Who knows? So, Bill, the people who are doing it are the people from the Temple Institute, who, from what I understand, I was over there. I talked to some of them while I was over there last couple of times. they say they have everything that is required to rebuild the temple. They say if the temple, if it could be cleared so they could build it, they have everything they need to build it except for the red heifer at the time,

you know, and permission to go up on the temple mountain build it. Is that true? Do they have everything? That's what I was told years ago. Yeah. I mean, for years, the Temple Institute has been, you know, creating the garments for the priests, all the different utensils, all the different furnishings. And, I mean, this is going back 15 years or more, you know, when I was there at the Temple Instancy visiting, they said, yeah, we've got all those things.

The only thing that they didn't have was, you know, the Arch of the Covenant. And as you said, you know, there was an eligible red heifer for the waters of purification. So I think, you know, they're very motivated to see the temple rebuilt, but I believe that they also realize that it's not just getting everything together and boom, here we go. There's a lot of things that are going to have to be considered. So what has to – we've made a lot of progress, and these things could take a thousand years to check off the last couple, and it could happen. tomorrow, you never know. How much, how far down the line are we on the known prophecy of the things that have to happen before, you know, the clock starts ticking for the return of Christ? Well, I think the clock has already started ticking. Now, let me say this. When it comes

to Bible prophecy and being fulfilled, it is my experience that it almost never happens. the way we think is going to happen, it just always happens the way it's written. And then what it happens, we go, oh, that's what he meant, you know. So it doesn't happen necessarily according to our interpretation. It happens the way God says it's going to happen. So that being understood, here's Bill's opinion. When seasons change, the weather changes. And every spring in our part of the country, and you're familiar with it there in Texas as well, when springtime comes around, you know, you have the potential for violent weather. And sometimes we get severe thunderstorm watches,

but that if the conditions, you know, worsened, then it can become a warning. My opinion is this constitutes a thunderstorm watch. It doesn't mean that we're under a warning. It doesn't mean that it's necessarily imminent. Now, things can change tomorrow, as you said, and all bets are off, and everything's going really fast. And when you say that this is a warning, not a watch, You're talking about the red heifer.

I'm thinking that the presence of red heifers constitutes, if I can put it this way, you know, we're under a thunderstorm watch, not a warning. It doesn't mean that the rebuilding of a temple is imminent. It means that there are people in the land of Israel who want to see that happen. They've been working toward that. They've been preparing for that. They're going to have everything in place when the time is right, at least in their eyes. and can I say this as well

sometimes the Bible describes things that well the Bible prescribes you know God said don't eat the fruit of that tree and then the Bible describes what people do and they ate the fruit of that tree and so the Bible does talk about there being a temple in the last days

but does that mean that God sanctions it or does it mean that people pushed for it and that's a big difference and so that's why I say our interpretation sometimes things don't happen the way we think it's going to happen. But back to your question, where are we? I do believe we're in the last days, and I do believe the Messiah is returning. Is he going to return in my lifetime? I don't know. Nobody knows that. So in that thing, I want to make sure that I'm

focusing on all the things that he said were important. And with all due respect, he didn't say, okay, be on the watch for a red heifer. He didn't. I mean, I'm not trying to demean the role a red heifer will play as it relates to the end days. But that's not what he said to be on the lookout for. What he said was, you need to be careful that no one deceives you. You need to be aware of in the last days the lawlessness in the world is going to become so pervasive that if it were possible, even the,

very elect would be carried away by it. And it's going to be so bad that some people are just going to give up. They're just going to quit their fate. And so these are the things that he said that you and I need to be aware of. So, you know, sometimes, and I want to be very careful, and I'll say this because, you know, I've taught prophecy for, you know, 30 plus years. I believe in Bible prophecy. I believe that God says these things and they will happen according to his will. But sometimes we can get so focused on what we think is going to happen or what we want to happen that we can lose sight of what God is actually doing and saying in this moment. And so I'm not ready to declare that because there are red heppers in Israel that there's going to be a third temple built right away. I don't know, but I'm not ready to say that.

If they burn a red heifer, we're all going to hear about it, I guarantee you. And if they burn a red her effort, then I'll go, oh, okay, well, let's pay attention and see what happens now. Right. Because they can sit there for a long time. It doesn't mean that they have to build it. It's just one other thing off the checklist. Right. You know, and things could be that way.

And they could sit in, you know, limbo for a while. Or, you know, conditions can change. Iran can decide to do something like they did the other day and wrap it up and people, you know, take that as an opportunity to do certain things. I mean, things can happen overnight. 9-11, you know, our world changed overnight. So I'm not going to discount that possibility. I'm just saying that for me, as far as this Red Heifer component of Bible prophecy, I'd say, okay, we have a thunderstorm watch.

We just need to be watching and seeing what happens. And it doesn't necessarily mean it's imminent. Bill, I'd love to have you back maybe tomorrow if you have time, because I'd like to talk to you about the relationship between Russia and Iran. and what we're facing there, and if that plays a role in any of the things that we are supposed to be looking for. But also, you mentioned the Ark of the Covenant. You can't have the Temple rebuilt without the Ark of the Covenant. And there seems to be some people that believe, don't worry, we know exactly where it is.

Could I get you to come back on the program? Talk about those things? Yes. Great. Sure. Just let me know when. You got it. Thank you so much.

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