The Glenn Beck Program - Best of The Program | Guest: Dinesh D’Souza | 6/15/20

Episode Date: June 15, 2020

The death of Rayshard Brooks at the hands of Atlanta police had nothing to do with race. Glenn reviews what truly makes this case tragic. The citizens of CHAZ have started paying reparations. A preach...er was harassed and pushed to the ground by protesters in CHAZ, and a resident described how afraid he has been after the government abandoned the area. Filmmaker and author of “United States of Socialism” Dinesh D’Souza joins to discuss what makes America a great country and what we must do to counter the rise of “identity socialism.” Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Starting point is 00:00:16 shooting in Atlanta this time the they burned Wendy's down which is always a good reaction to
Starting point is 00:00:23 almost anything we have the details on that, what you should know. Also Pat Gray joins us
Starting point is 00:00:30 first of all to tell us about SpongeBob being gay, but also to give us chocolate peanut butter cookies which are amazing from scrumptious cookie.com. Then, as well as we get into Chaz, yes, it's Chaz or Chop, the Capitol Hill Autonomous Zone,
Starting point is 00:00:48 which they're trying to change the name of now. What is the deal there? There's a man who lives there. He's fearing for his life. It is a very, very tenuous circumstance. We get into that with Elijah Schaefer later on in the program. He was there.
Starting point is 00:01:03 He's got all sorts of videos. The ones you're seeing going viral came from Elijah Schaefer, most likely. We'll get into that. He's on Blaze TV, by the way. You can go to blazTV.com slash Glenn and use the promo code Glenn for $10 off. You can get Glenn Show, Stu Does America, all of Elijah's stuff as well. And Dinesh DeSuzza joins us to give us a lowdown on his new book. United States of Socialism is all on today's podcast.
Starting point is 00:01:25 Make sure you subscribe to this podcast and click over to Stu Does America. subscribe there as well. Rate and review the podcast. Five stars, the appropriate amount of stars. Here's the podcast. You're listening to the best of the Glenn Beck program. Let's start with Atlanta.
Starting point is 00:01:51 First of all, if you listen to Stacey Abrams, here's what she had to say. Activists are necessarily calling into question what's actually being done. And what I would say is that there is a. There's a legitimacy to this anger. There's a legitimacy to this outrage. A man was murdered because he was asleep in a drive-through. And we know that this is not an isolated occurrence. We also know that a man taking a taser from a police officer in Pennsylvania
Starting point is 00:02:21 resulted in his arrest. But because this person was black, it resulted in his death. Those are conversations that have to be had not only through speeches, but through the decisions made by budget allocations. and I think that's the next conversation we have to have an... So, Stacey says that this gentleman, who I've watched the video of, and I feel, I mean, strangely bad for everybody involved in this one. But she says that Richard Brooks died because he was asleep at a Wendy's.
Starting point is 00:02:58 No, that's not why he died. He didn't die because he was asleep at a Wendy's. Wendy's. He was asleep and drunk, intoxicated at a Wendy's. But that's not why he died either. He was drunk. He was asleep at a Wendy's. It took the police officer about, I don't know, 30 seconds to rouse him. And then he was a little incoherent. Then he was a delightful person. He pulled this car over and he was a really nice guy. He seemed great, didn't seem like a problem, talked about his mother. He said he was visiting his mom's grave earlier. It was, you know, her anniversary of her death, I think.
Starting point is 00:03:41 It was his daughter's birthday a couple of days before. And the police were really good to him, nice, very polite. Everything was going fine. He agreed to take a breathalyzer because he smelled of alcohol and was was legally drunk. He passed the sobriety test when he walked the line. At least it looked like it to me.
Starting point is 00:04:08 Then the police officer, who was called in to investigate for sobriety, came in and said, look, you don't have to take this breathalyzer, but I'm asking you, if you will. He said, fine, I'll take it. So he took it. He failed. He's then put under arrest.
Starting point is 00:04:25 And when they put the handcuffs on him or try to, he begins, to resist arrest. This is why he's dead today. I don't know if this is something that maybe
Starting point is 00:04:40 I was just taught and others just kind of miss this lesson, but don't resist arrest. If they are arresting you, you're going to have to go to jail and you will sort it out. You'll make
Starting point is 00:04:56 your phone call and you'll sort it out. If you are resisting a rest, chances are something bad is going to happen. Am I the only one that was taught this? Something bad is going to happen. So what happens? Well, he resists arrest, and they keep saying to him, stop fighting, stop resisting, stop, stop. Now, they're on top of him, two of them.
Starting point is 00:05:23 I don't know how this guy bested the two of them, but he did. and as he's rolling over and on top of him, he grabs the stun gun, and he takes it away from the officer. The officer immediately says, he has my taser. He starts to run. The other cop is running after him.
Starting point is 00:05:48 Rashad turns around and shoots the taser at the cop. All right, well, now you're in a whole different ballgame. Now you're not only resists. arrest, but you are now trying to take down another cop. Yes, it is with a taser. That cop goes down and he says, he's got my taser. That's when the other cop draws his gun and shoots, which I would imagine is standard procedure for somebody who has a weapon,
Starting point is 00:06:22 a police officer's weapon, because you don't know what's going to happen. when when officer is down, the fear is, if an officer is down, somehow or another, he'll go down and grab the gun of the police officer, and then the other officer is done. There was no reason for this to happen. Absolutely no reason for this to happen. This guy was drunk. You roll the dice when you're drunk driving. I don't, I mean, you roll the dice with you. your life and everybody else's life as well. But you also roll the dice that you're going to be stopped and you're going to be arrested. Don't drive drunk. How is it that everybody is upset about this, but where's the mothers against drunk driving?
Starting point is 00:07:18 Here's a guy who is driving drunk, violation number one. violation number two, he resisted arrest. Violation number three, he grabbed the officer's stun gun. Violation number four, he fired it at an officer. What are you going to do? What are you going to do? He shot him in the back. Yeah, he did, which I don't like.
Starting point is 00:07:49 But if you watch the video, it all went down from the time he has the stun gun to the time he's down is what, three seconds? From the time the officer goes down to the time that Rashad is shot is about a second. Now, I can sit here in my studio and I'm in the comfort of air conditioning and it's beautiful and I'm not panicked and I watched the video and I think, well, I don't know if I would have done. Well, I don't know if I would have done that. I don't think I would have. I don't know and I don't think I would have. I wasn't the one with adrenaline pumping. I wasn't the one that was in the situation. I wasn't in, I wasn't the one who had my life at stake and my fellow officer's life at stake. I don't know. See, this is the problem.
Starting point is 00:08:52 We have so convinced ourselves that we are just horrible human beings. that we're just a horrible nation, and we have horrible cops. And it's not, it's not unusual. This is, this is normal. This is normal. You've been told you have been bad for the last, what, 12 years? You've been told at least for 12 years over and over and over again. Your country sucks.
Starting point is 00:09:23 You're racist. You're a sexist. You're a misogynist. You're a homophobe. You're a killer. And the whole time, you've been saying, no, I'm not. No, I'm not. We don't profess who we are enough.
Starting point is 00:09:46 I don't want to get all California hippie on you, but my father was a practitioner of, my father was a practitioner of something called the Church of Religious Science. and it wasn't it's not Christian science it's actual science science and and uh they look at God and my father said to me once I said can we talk about God for a second dad I want to understand what you believe and he said sure but the first thing we have to do is not use the word God and I said what kind of dope smoking hippie kind of what are you talking about and he said
Starting point is 00:10:28 the word itself he said I believe in God but the word itself has too many connotations. It has too many of your own personal beliefs wrapped around that word. He said, so if we really want to understand it, we have to start on neutral territory. And so he said, what's first cause? I don't, what are you talking about? He said, what is, Big Bang may have happened, may not have happened, but if it did, what lit the fuse?
Starting point is 00:11:00 What? Who put the fuse there? Who made the matches? That's God. That's when you're talking first cause. That's the unknown. That's God. Okay, okay.
Starting point is 00:11:16 The idea behind his philosophy was the great I am. And the great I am is the name of God. I am that I am. That's what the burning bush told Moses. Who shall I say send me? am that I am. I am are the two most powerful words ever spoken, because that's how God creates. He speaks and it becomes. And don't take the Lord thy God's name in vain. I don't think that means don't swear. I think that his name is I am. Look in your scriptures. They're always capitalized
Starting point is 00:11:57 and they're in red. I am. I am. I am what. But understand that the brain doesn't process negatives. To everything that is creative in your brain, it's just create. It just creates. It doesn't decide what's good or bad. You might, but the brain doesn't. The mind doesn't. It just creates.
Starting point is 00:12:24 So if you're saying, I am not a racist, we are not a racist country. I am not these things. It doesn't do anything but build the defense of, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not. What are you? What are you? I am a good person. I am an open person.
Starting point is 00:12:49 I am a person looking for unity. I am a person that really loves everybody until they give me a chance to hate them. I used to be a person that hated everybody unless you gave me a reason to love you. Now I, and you know this if you've listened to me for a long time. I'm a sucker for people because I see the best in them. I want to believe they're going to be that person.
Starting point is 00:13:17 And they, you know, most times are not, unfortunately. None of us are. How many of us are the best person every time? We've been told over and over again what a bad country we are. What a horrible group of people. We're being told over and over that our cops are racist. Our cops are not racist. Our cops are heroes.
Starting point is 00:13:41 Our cops are the ones after 9-11 that we went and we shook the hands of. Every time we saw a police officer, we said, thank you. Every time. Every time there is a problem in this nation, the police are the ones who we end up saying, gosh, you're a hero. Thank you. Thank you.
Starting point is 00:14:07 And somehow or another, it feels as though the majority of people in this country are saying and questioning the cops are they're bad. Are there bad cops? Yes, there are. Is this guy in Atlanta a bad cop? I don't know.
Starting point is 00:14:27 I know every time I see one of these shootings, and this is different than Minneapolis. Every time I see it, I think to myself, God, help me, I wouldn't want to make that decision. I don't know. Was that procedure? I don't know. I wasn't a cop. I'm not a cop.
Starting point is 00:14:48 I wasn't trained. Do you want to make these decisions for the cops? Did you see if you watch the footage of the body cam and don't, you don't have an opinion on this unless you've watched the footage. You might think you do, but unless people say to you, oh, I've watched the whole thing. did you? You watched all of it. This is like three and a half minutes. Edit it down.
Starting point is 00:15:14 It's like three and a half minutes. Did you watch all of the three and a half minutes? Okay, then let's talk about it. You don't have an opinion until you've watched the video. And then when you've watched the video, you're going to end up liking both sides. You're going to like, you're going to like Rashad, and you're going to like the officer that first woke him up.
Starting point is 00:15:37 You're going to like him. and then it turns. What I caught out of this video was, can you imagine being a cop? There was no indication, zero indication, that this guy was going to be a problem. Zero. He was totally cool. He was really a nice guy. And then all of a sudden he just something flipped and he changed.
Starting point is 00:16:05 I don't know. Where do we go from here? I know. Let's burn down a Wendy's. This is the best of the Glenn Beck program. Well, Seattle's Capitol Hill Autonomous Zone. Chaz, which I think it shares son, daughter. I don't remember which, but I think that's her, I think that's his name, her name.
Starting point is 00:16:37 I'm honestly not trying to be offensive. Born a boy turned a girl, born a girl turned a boy, which one was it? Born a girl, turn to boy, Stu? Share. Why am I talking about share? I have no idea. Born a girl, I believe, changed two. Turn to boy.
Starting point is 00:16:55 Because it's Chas. Yeah. Well, Chaz. I mean, now it's just the name of a new country. But back in the day, I believe it was a boy's name. All right. Well, they've begun reparations, Stu. You'll be happy to know.
Starting point is 00:17:08 White members of this new republic and it's beautiful. It's a summer of love, have been told Friday night that they have to start giving black people at least $10 before leaving the area. So they're in the, they're in like this park setting. It's very, very nice. And I want you to find by the time you leave this area, I want you to give $10 to one African-American person from this autonomous zone. and if you think that's difficult, well, if you think it's hard to give $10 to people of color, to black people, you'll have to think really, really critically about it in the future. Are you going to actually give up your power and your land and capital when you have it?
Starting point is 00:17:59 If you have a hard time giving up $10 and you'll have to think again, are you really down with the movement? Then he goes on to say, white people, I see you, find an African American, I see you, I see every one of you, and I remember your faces. Wow, that sounds like a threat, doesn't it? Here he is actually giving the speech. I think this is the leader of Chas. Listen.
Starting point is 00:18:26 Okay. I want you to find, by the end, by the time you leave this autonomous zone, I want you to give $10 to one African-American person from me. this autonomous zone. And if you find that's difficult, if you find it's hard for you to give $10 to people of color, to black people especially, you have to think really critically about in the future, are you going to actually give up power and land and capital when you have it? If you have a hard time giving up $10, you got to think about, are you really down with this struggle? Are you really down with the movement?
Starting point is 00:19:10 Because if that is a challenge for you, then I'm unsure if you're in the right place. So find an African-American person, the white people, I see you. I see every single one of you. And I remember your faces. You find that African-American person and you give them $10. Cash app, Venmo, $10 in your pocket. That's my challenge to you. Unreal.
Starting point is 00:19:37 You're doing it, Stu? Because I did it. Friday, I did it. I think the solution to all racism is I'm just going to throw money at black people when they pass me. If I think that's just throwing balled up of bills will really solve the racism problem. Good for you. Absolutely. By your way out of it.
Starting point is 00:19:55 It's, I mean, wait until you see why. I mean, this is, these people are Marxists. And you notice he said, are you, if you can't give $10 now, you're going to be able to give up your land and your capital? No, I bought that land. I earned that. Listen to this guy. Mr. I own property. This land is my land.
Starting point is 00:20:21 This land is your land, Glenn. This is the autonomous zone. There is no more property ownership. There's no private property whatsoever. You need to understand the new world we're in. Yeah. By the way, this land is your land. This land is my land.
Starting point is 00:20:35 This land was made for you and me. That is a marks. song. I just want to let you know, written and performed by a Marxist. So we also had a really interesting encounter with a street preacher. He came in and he said that this was a, this was a Christ zone as well. And that didn't go over well. Elijah Schaefer and his cameraman were there on the streets. And here's what happened. listen right with god So, the king of the king, I'll kiss him down to the ground.
Starting point is 00:21:54 So they forcibly held him down and then they kissed him. Then they threw him down to the ground. And somebody was kneeling on his back and his neck. And he said, I can't breathe, I can't breathe, because it started to get really ugly. Finally, somebody in some dreadlocks ran over and like, what are you guys doing? Stop it. But that's good. You know, although that's been, I think that's really been good.
Starting point is 00:22:23 And the Seattle residents love it. Let me give you a view from a Seattle resident living in Capitol Hill where they are inside of Chaz. Imagine this. Listen to what to this. and listen to how emotional this Seattle resident gets about what's happening in Chaz. Listen. I'm scared. Like, I've been scared every day since Sunday.
Starting point is 00:22:53 And I haven't gotten a lot of sleep because for the first time in my life in Capitol Hill, I hear gunshots every single night. And I've heard people screaming every single night outside. And they're not protest screams. I've heard protest screams. but I've also heard screams of terror out there and I don't know what's happening out there and it's just that's rattling enough
Starting point is 00:23:16 just hearing the screams for the first time and not knowing what's going on. Now he goes on to say that he called the state he talked about different things that he had seen going on just from the windows
Starting point is 00:23:35 from his house. He said I am terrified to go outside this appears to be a younger guy. We blurred his face. So you can't tell. I think the daily caller did this interview. And, but he appears to be a rather young guy and is afraid and says his government. He called the governor's office and said, you've got to stop this. And the person said, you know, the governor's already spoken out on this.
Starting point is 00:24:07 And they said, look, can I just, can I just talk to you as a human, please? human to human. Let me just say, I'm afraid here. And he broke down and started to cry and he said, I don't, the person at the capital, the Washington Capitol said, look, I don't want to make this personal.
Starting point is 00:24:30 And he said, but this is personal. My government has abandoned me. And I am afraid for my life. And you're not coming to help. When there are no police and when the government is corrupt and in bed with those who are looting and stealing, who do you go to? No one. You either die fighting or you are, you're bending your knee. So which one's it going to be, America?
Starting point is 00:25:04 There is a development with the Supreme Court. We want to just take a quick sidebar and get this development. Stu? Yeah, Glenn, a decision just came down from the Supreme Court about a case involving Title VII. The argument was about gay and transgender rights. The ruling comes down an employer who fires an individual merely for being gay or transgender violates Title VII. As we know, we have an extreme right-wing court who has now come out and decided this in this fashion,
Starting point is 00:25:43 a six to three ruling. The liberals, of course, on the six side, Roberts as well, and written by Gorsuch. So that is the ruling. It was a six three. There was several different dissenting opinions followed by the other justices. But this is a six three ruling that says, if you fire someone, it says solely, which, you know, I mean, I don't think this is happening an awful lot. but it has been a very controversial thing. And gay or transgender,
Starting point is 00:26:16 it's interesting to see how that would play out in a situation where, you know, is someone changing from male to female in a role that was designed for a male in the middle of that, would you be able to change them to another job? They would not be able to be fired based on this ruling, however.
Starting point is 00:26:33 So I'm not exactly sure how that goes, but it's going to be, it's an interesting world to watch. I got news for you. if Bert is my receptionist because I'm not a sexist. But then you have to ask yourself, yeah, but you hired a man. I mean, was a woman not good enough for that job? Oh, I know.
Starting point is 00:26:53 I know. It's a struggle. But Bert is at the front desk. And he's like, hey, welcome to Beck's Burgers. And you're, you know, you're fine with Bert sounding like that. And he comes in and he's dependable and everything else. But the next day, he comes in in a drive. dress, I'm Bertina, and you'll be addressing me as Bertina. And speaking of dress, what do you think?
Starting point is 00:27:18 Is this color match my eye shadow? And you would have to have a conversation with Bert or Bertina and say, um, Bertina some fundamental things have changed. Um, and you now are not the first face I want my customers to see. That's hatred. What you're saying? I'm not lovely in a dress. No, you're not lovely in a dress. And you're kind of, you're spooking the customers. And that's great.
Starting point is 00:27:52 You could go do that someplace else where customers might expect you to be or wouldn't be, you know, shocked. But at our Christian bookstore here, you're freaking people out. I don't think there's a, I don't think there's a reason to not side with the, with the business, unless you're going to control every aspect of that business. Well, I mean, this is my reputation. You're arguing for hatred is what you're doing. And that would be no, I'm not. They would say that, you know, what you, well, what you're saying is, oh, well, the transgender person at the front desk, that's not normal.
Starting point is 00:28:35 So therefore, you want to change it. Well, it is normal. Let's, let's, let's, can we just. Can we just say what is normal? Let's define normal. Because I hate that word normal. What is normal? Normal is something that you would see all the time.
Starting point is 00:28:50 It would be natural. It would be commonplace. It's commonplace. It is not commonplace to see a guy in a dress. It's just not commonplace. Now, there are places where it is more common. You know, the inner city is more common to see a lot of things. You know, it's not commonplace in the urban city to see a cow.
Starting point is 00:29:13 Does that make cows bad? No. It just means it's out of place. It's not normal for a cow to be wandering the streets of New York City. How does this work the other way, Glenn? Like, if you, in New York City, there's a few famous places that are staffed completely by transgendered people who or cross dressers and such. And that's part of, that's the stick at the restaurant, basically.
Starting point is 00:29:39 you go in there and everyone lucky changs. Okay, sure. If one of their workers decided they, you know what, this whole drag queen thing not working out for me anymore, I'm going to go the other way,
Starting point is 00:29:51 just go back to wearing a suit. Would they be able to be fired? So I think in that case, yes, because you were specifically hired because you were either transgender or transvestite. But you can't specifically.
Starting point is 00:30:09 hire someone for not being a transgendered or transvestite. That's against the law. So now... Well, if your store was, you know, we're not transgender. You know, the restaurant is, the stick is... I know, but the stick... I'm actually standing up for the transgender person here, I think. I think you are.
Starting point is 00:30:32 I don't even know anymore. I think you are, but I think you're missing that they can't... You can't have that restaurant. It would be illegal. You can't have the we're not transgender restaurant. That is exactly what this says you can have. I know, but I'm saying you can have a I am trans,
Starting point is 00:30:49 we are transvestite or transsexual. Can you still? You could. Well, white, why? See, this is the problem with government getting involved. If you want to have a all transvestite or no transvestite, uh, that's fine.
Starting point is 00:31:07 If you, if you, if you, if you don't understand that the change you're making is a big deal and your employer might say, I'm sorry, Susan, and I love you as Susan and I loved you as Fred, but I can't, I don't want you representing my company. Why? Because you hate, no, I don't. I don't. But I need every advantage that I can get.
Starting point is 00:31:37 and having somebody greeting our customers is not necessarily the best smoothest transition for the mass population. All right, back in just a second. Boy, is that full of hate speech, isn't it? I should be executed. So Dinesh D'Souza is one of my favorite people on Earth because he truly gets it. First of all, he truly gets America because he grew up in India. and he saw America from abroad, and even with all of our flaws, he stills, even the fact that a former president had him jailed, he still loves America.
Starting point is 00:32:29 And he knows the system is good. It's just full of a lot of bad people right now. And he's got a new book out called The United States of Socialism. and a new movie coming out called Trump Card. We're going to try to get to both of those this hour. But United States of Socialism is a great companion for arguing with socialists. And in it, he really makes the case all the way through, not just of the flaws of socialism, but how great America is. And I want to start with Dinesh on the...
Starting point is 00:33:13 The grocery store that you walked into when you first came to America, detail that experience, would you? I arrived, Glenn, in Arizona as a exchange student at the age of 17. I lived with the host family, and they were very eager to show me America. And so they said, we're planning a trip to the Grand Canyon. We're going to take you to Tombstone, Arizona, the site of the gunfight at the OK Corral. They had all these sort of fights planned for me. And I said, guys, I'd love to do all that. But, you know, my idea of sightseeing is take me to a grocery store.
Starting point is 00:33:52 I mean, I want to see the abundance of American life, you know, 50 types of cheese and 25 types of ice cream. I mean, the abundance of America and its availability to the ordinary man. In India, as in many other countries, the rich guy has an opulent, enviable life. But I think a country is judged by the kind of life it makes a way. available to the common man, the ordinary fellow. And I was always struck at how good the ordinary guy had it in America, not just in terms of prosperity, but also in terms of freedom. So, Dinesh, first of all, did you actually say that at 17 years old? Well, I did because that was the most striking thing to me. I wasn't thinking politically.
Starting point is 00:34:36 I was just impressed at how smooth the roads were and how everything worked and how you didn't have to pay people under the table. for everything. Remember, I grew up in socialist India, and the two things I remember the most about socialism are one, our family had a ration card, and that meant that every month we could only buy so much rice, so much sugar, so much cooking oil. So I was used to India as a land of scarcity. When I saw images of India as the begging bowl of the world, I understood it. That was the life around me. The other thing was my family was on a seven-year wait to get a phone. It seems hard to believe, and I don't usually mention this because Americans look at me like I'm insane.
Starting point is 00:35:17 But that's life under socialism. Some of the scarcities we glimpsed very briefly under coronavirus are a kind of nasty preview of what things would be permanently like if India was, if America fell under the spell, if we became the United States of socialism. So, Dinesh, India, it's strange because India now has shaken off many of the chains of socialism and have become much more a capitalist society. It still struggles, but it is getting better. And we are now starting to go where the rest of the world has discovered is nothing but abject poverty and failure. How do you explain this? My wife is from Venezuela and our two countries, India and Venezuela have moved in opposite directions.
Starting point is 00:36:13 Venezuela, a once-deriving country, now reduced to complete ruin by adopting socialism. India, the begging bowl of the world, is now more prosperous because it abandons socialism and embraced technological capitalism. So you would think that looking around the world, it's very clear which system works. And yet, that's why I think the revival of socialism in America, one country where socialism has never been in the mainstream, is not only a mystery, but it's something that man's explanation and deep understanding. And you, you, you, you, you call it, um, identity socialism, which I think is really,
Starting point is 00:36:53 really good. Um, and in fact, I want to, I wrote a phrase down that you, you, you said, um, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. You said, this isn't comprehensive Stalinism, um, in which there's an official position in classical music and chess, but rather limited Stalinism. The left's goal is to stigmatism. stigmatize resistance as discrimination and ruthlessly punished dissenters so everyone is suitably warned he um and you talk about how um this is really an attack on the heart
Starting point is 00:37:31 which when you understand identity socialism that is the way to get to america is to go in through their heart and then destroy it right is that what you're You're saying? Socialism is a mechanism. Many people think socialism is merely a system of economic confiscation. But it's always been far more than that. George Orwell understood it. He was himself a man of the left.
Starting point is 00:37:56 But he saw that in the end, what Big Brother, the state, is about, is reducing citizens to abject conformity, to crushing their independence of spirit and of mind. And I think that's ultimately the worst aspect of it. It crushes our individuality. It crushes even our inner freedom. And we're beginning to see this, these kind of liturgyes of genuflection and subordination. They're ultimately ways of us being, of us submitting, if you will, our own souls to socialist ideology. So the parade is very apparent.
Starting point is 00:38:37 I mean, when you started writing this, and I know it was the same for me when I was writing, arguing with social, You knew it was coming and you saw it hidden and then they became more and more bold as they started just to admit, yep, the Democratic Socialists, etc. But the speed to which we are now seeing Americans embrace socialists in BLM and excuse what's happening in Seattle is a little astounding. Was it a shock to you, Dinesh? It was a shock to me in this sense. I have seen this kind of ideology in academia for a long time, as I think you have. I think what has surprised us is that what we previously thought was occurring in the nut house or asylum of academia has now metastasized into the larger culture.
Starting point is 00:39:35 You could almost say that academia is the theory and Antifa is the practice. So academia has been drilling into young people's heads without challenge, without critical scrutiny, the idea that what happened to George Floyd is not a normalist. It's normal. This is how cops are. This is how America is. Our institutions are racist, and they have been chronically so since the beginning of the country itself. So naturally, if that's what you think, if that's your premise, if that's your starting point,
Starting point is 00:40:04 it seems normal to fling a Molotov cocktail into a police precinct. Why? Because you're doing what you can to fight the system by any means necessary. So in some ways, this kind of destructive mayhem we're seeing on the street is the logical outcome of progressive ideology. You talk about Antifa and what Antifa is, let me quote, the typical socialist today is not a union guy who wants higher wages. It's a transsexual eco-feminist who marks. in Antifa and Black Lives Matter rallies and throws cement blocks at her political opponents. So the logic behind socialism and a revolution was to get the workers of the world to unite the people, the average person.
Starting point is 00:40:59 But that is not the case here. And the more you see it, the more brutal and ugly it becomes, the more exposed they are. and you realize this is not the average person. Why did they make that change, and how do they expect to win? This is the key. About a century ago, an economist named Werner Sombard wrote a book called Why Is There No Socialism in the United States? And his very poignant answer was, quote,
Starting point is 00:41:30 all socialist utopias came to grief on roast beef and apple pie. And what he meant is that America has managed to deliver so much for the working man, that the working man is no intention of overthrowing the system. He wants to join the system. He wants to enjoy its rewards. Now, the left has figured this out. They can't get socialism that way. So what they have to do is tap into other forms of resentment that exist or can be fomented in the society. Obviously, the most profitable is racial resentment. So take George Floyd again. This was a moment of potential national unity.
Starting point is 00:42:07 Everyone that you know and I know condemn this from the outset. You could think we could all say, this is great. Let's come together and figure this one out. But no, for the left, it was a political opportunity to do what? To create division. Now, not class division, but racial division. And then if you add gender division, male against females, straight against gay, legal, against illegal. You see the scheme.
Starting point is 00:42:31 The scheme is to divide America every which way to create a 51% majority of oppressed victims. That's the strategy of so-called identity socialism, which is a marriage of classic socialism and identity politics. All right, so I want to talk to you about the endgame on that when we come back. The name of the book is the United States of socialism by Dinesh D'Souza, a guy who can articulate so well what's great about America. And I think he can do it because he watched,
Starting point is 00:43:07 us with with wanton eyes if you will from the outside in his childhood and he saw and he believes the American dream and it still exists that belief is is is is is going away quickly unfortunately because not enough of us are preaching it anymore not enough of us are seeing how great it really is here in the United States the United States of socialism by Dinesh D'Souza, it's available wherever you grab books. Available now at Amazon, grab your copy today. It is a great book. We'll say, in the phone,
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